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Mr. Anderson
Oct 8, 2002, 03:19 PM
And its been named Quaoar - found by the Hubble Telescope about 1 Billion miles past Pluto. Very interesting because it changes Plutos claims to being a planet itself.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/07/ice.object/index.html

The new object is pretty damn big, easily falls within the size of some of the moons on the outer planets (Jupiter and Saturn). No doubt this will fuel the fire for the Is Pluto A Planet debate.

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Wes
Oct 8, 2002, 03:52 PM
Pluto is a planet, in my opinion, because it has been considered so for such a long time. This new object is around 800 miles in diameter. It has been said that it will NOT be considered a planet. It has everything going for it (Orbit and etc), except for size.

Source: BBC News

diorio
Oct 8, 2002, 03:58 PM
Yeah, I was reading about that this morning. I'll bet there are several planet sized objects in our solar system yet to be discovered. There are so many possiblilities...

Wes
Oct 8, 2002, 04:01 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38311000/jpg/_38311791_q150.jpg
How you would spot something like that, I don't know!?

Mr. Anderson
Oct 8, 2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by diorio
Yeah, I was reading about that this morning. I'll bet there are several planet sized objects in our solar system yet to be discovered. There are so many possiblilities...

With the new Space Telescope in the works, I'm sure we'll find plenty. But as for Pluto, the article points out that if it was found today, it wouldn't be considered a planet, so the debate rages.

And we won't be visiting these things any time soon, they are so damn far away, taking over a decade to get a ship there, at our current level of propulsion systems.

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mymemory
Oct 8, 2002, 05:22 PM
Who gave it that name?
Did they called Geroge Lucas for the idea?
How would you name some one from that planet?
Does that name has a spanish translation?

medea
Oct 8, 2002, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by W-_-W
Pluto is a planet, in my opinion, because it has been considered so for such a long time. This new object is around 800 miles in diameter. It has been said that it will NOT be considered a planet. It has everything going for it (Orbit and etc), except for size.

Source: BBC News

The world is flat in my opinion, because it has been considered so for such a long time. There are also no planets in our system capable of hosting life,no water on Mars, and no life anywhere outside of Earth.........

mac15
Oct 8, 2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by medea


The world is flat in my opinion, because it has been considered so for such a long time. There are also no planets in our system capable of hosting life,no water on Mars, and no life anywhere outside of Earth.........


I like your theory :rolleyes:

Mr. Anderson
Oct 8, 2002, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by mymemory
Who gave it that name?
Did they called Geroge Lucas for the idea?
How would you name some one from that planet?
Does that name has a spanish translation?

Quaoarians?

But there most likely won't be anyone from there - native atleast. It was named after an American Indian Creator God - and I have no idea who or why they chose it.

Spike Spiegel
Oct 8, 2002, 08:49 PM
while im not sure if pluto should be considered a planet or not, a reasonable argument for it would be its peculiar orbit that crosses over neptune's. does anyone have any idea when the space telescope will be ready?

diorio
Oct 8, 2002, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by medea


The world is flat in my opinion, because it has been considered so for such a long time. There are also no planets in our system capable of hosting life,no water on Mars, and no life anywhere outside of Earth.........

Just wondering, have you ever seen a picture of earth from outer space? It's a sphere. Just thought I'd let you know.

Also, it does suck that it takes a decade for our ships to get to the outer edge of the solar system. If only we had warp capabilites...

vniow
Oct 8, 2002, 09:22 PM
Gawd, give medea a break.
He was posting a sarcastic responce to W-_-W's post. :rolleyes:

diorio
Oct 8, 2002, 09:36 PM
While we're doing the weird spelling, here we go: Galwd, give diorio a break, he didnn't mean nudin by it. If I wantd to be an arse, I wuld uv. By the way, this is a surcastic reply to yur post.
Sorry, we all have our moments.:D

Durandal7
Oct 8, 2002, 09:48 PM
I don't really think of Pluto as a planet. There are several similar sized objects near Pluto's orbit as well as this one and they are not planets. Pluto is a chunk of rock.

diorio
Oct 8, 2002, 09:50 PM
But, a fairly large chunk of rock.:D

By the way, someones illigitimate son is lurking...

I gotta go, c ya n CPC4.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by weezerophile
while im not sure if pluto should be considered a planet or not, a reasonable argument for it would be its peculiar orbit that crosses over neptune's. does anyone have any idea when the space telescope will be ready?

The Pluto debate will rage on for a while, no doubt. And its mostly ice of some sort and a little more solid material mixed in.

As for the Next Generation Space Telescope (http://www.stsci.edu/ngst/) looks like it is scheduled to go in 2010 - we have some time before we'll be seeing anything unfortunately.

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Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by W-_-W
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38311000/jpg/_38311791_q150.jpg
How you would spot something like that, I don't know!?

Since it is a planet, its moving, so you take a couple shots of it over several weeks and look at all the slides together - if somethings moved its pretty obvious since all the background stars stay constant (relatively).

Thats how comets and asteroids are found.

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Wes
Oct 9, 2002, 02:32 PM
That's some serious amount of sky gazing, sometimes science truly amazes me.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by W-_-W
That's some serious amount of sky gazing, sometimes science truly amazes me.

Well, its all digital today - none of the astronomers actually look through the eye piece any more. You basically just set up programs to scan the sky over a series of nights and there are even programs that do the analysis. Somewhat boring at times......

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szark
Oct 9, 2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Well, its all digital today - none of the astronomers actually look through the eye piece any more. You basically just set up programs to scan the sky over a series of nights and there are even programs that do the analysis. Somewhat boring at times......

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Hmmm. If the programs are doing all of the work, then I say the new discoveries should be named after the programmers! :D

Wes
Oct 9, 2002, 03:54 PM
Dukestreet, are you an astronomer, or just an aspiring scientist? ;-)

Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 03:58 PM
I'm just a little bit intersted in the subject, not really more than a star gazer at night - don't even own a telescope, but I'll get a nice one one day. I've got Starry NightPro and that's made a huge difference if finding things when I'm out walking the dog late at night.

Doctor Q
Oct 9, 2002, 04:29 PM
The name Quaoar is simply a variation on "Doctor Q", changed to avoid having to pay me royalties.

Seriously, in order to decide if Quaoar (pronounced "QWAH-wahr" I'm told) is a planet is to start by agreeing on the defininition of "planet". If the definition is "a body in our solar system named Mercury, Venus, ..., Pluto" then any other body we find, even if it turned out to be larger than Pluto and closer than Pluto, would not be a planet.

If you start with a better definition, it should cover both the known planets in our solar system and the new ones they keep discovering in other solar systems, and it should be a definition that can be tested with evidence. Then the issue is decidable: If you have the evidence, you know the answer. If you don't have the evidence, it can't be decided yet.

So what's the definition of "planet"?

Hemingray
Oct 9, 2002, 04:43 PM
Hm, that name sounds suspiciously similar to Rimmer's fabricated "Quagaars" alien species. :D

And yes, Pluto is a planet.

Over Achiever
Oct 9, 2002, 04:44 PM
Wow, I can't believe this planet debate is still ongoing. It truly is a debate when looking at extrasolar planets, a field I'm interested it. What is a planet? It depends on how its formed, the mass, etc.

As for the Pluto debate, one astronomer (i dunno who) put it best: "It's pure tradition. Since Pluto has been deemed a planet, why should we go through all the pain and change all the books, saying otherwise."

Doctor Q
Oct 9, 2002, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Over Achiever
One astronomer (i dunno who) put it best:... Since Pluto has been deemed a planet, why should we go through all the pain and change all the books, saying otherwise."
For the same reason that many astronomy books were changed to show that Neptune's orbit was outside Pluto's orbit for the years when it was true. To be scientific, you must accept agreed-upon definitions and be willing to accept the results of applying the definitions to the subjects of interest using the known facts.

If the definition is "EITHER a body with a certain mass that was formed a certain way, OR Pluto", that's fine. My point is that you can't expect to settle it without agreeing on the definition (rules of the game) first.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 05:41 PM
Well, you also have all the asteroids between Mars and Jupiter as well, and all the large ones have names. For a planet, it seems simple enough, to me at least, that if it orbits the Sun, by itself or with moons, not as a group, then it should be considered a planet. Look at all the new moons of Jupiter and Saturn that have been found since we visited them. No real size restrictions there.

Unfortunately, I really don't think the astronomical naming body should waste time on worrying about whether its a planet or not, but they should make a decision and get it over with.

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Doctor Q
Oct 9, 2002, 07:43 PM
I checked a few encyclopedias. It seems that planet is generally defined as an nonluminous (meaning not itself a star?) object that orbits a star and isn't an asteroid, comet, or meteoroid.

But the definitions of asteroids, comets, and meteoroids vary from source to source. Most describe these non-planet objects as small, but not precisely HOW small. And phrases like minor planet and planetoid only add to the confusion.

I say let's wait and see if Quaoar crashes into the earth. Then it would be settled - it's a meteorite!

Mr. Anderson
Oct 9, 2002, 10:52 PM
Theory goes that what ever was the moon, originally slammed into earth at it early stages and left a mix of materials, part earth, part moon in orbit. So even a planetoid could collide with the earth....

Durandal7
Oct 9, 2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Hm, that name sounds suspiciously similar to Rimmer's fabricated "Quagaars" alien species. :D

Does that mean that Quaoarians would communicate by breaking legs and doing jigsaws? ;)

medea
Oct 10, 2002, 09:25 AM
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Mr. Anderson
Oct 10, 2002, 10:33 AM
Damn, how true, almost -

http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=quaoar.com&SearchType=do

Creation Date 10/07/2002 and what do you think this person is going to do with it? Domain Name speculation isn't exactly a money maker any more.

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Doctor Q
Oct 10, 2002, 06:33 PM
I bid 4 billion dollars for the domain name (one dollar for each mile from here to Quaoar). I'm sure I can come up with a profitable model for selling Quaoar T-shirts, Quaoar mugs, Quaoar keychains, etc., over the web.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 11, 2002, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
I bid 4 billion dollars for the domain name (one dollar for each mile from here to Quaoar). I'm sure I can come up with a profitable model for selling Quaoar T-shirts, Quaoar mugs, Quaoar keychains, etc., over the web.

We'll have to watch and see if anything is ever developed at the site - my guess is that it won't, but you never know. A Quaoar T-Shirt would be kind of funny, actually.

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Doctor Q
Oct 11, 2002, 11:17 AM
OK, dukestreet and I will be business partners. We'll need some good ideas for what to put on the T-shirts, since there won't be any real closeup photos of Quaoar for a while.

Idea #1: "My grandmother went to Quaoar and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."

Idea #2: A fake photo of Quaoar's surface with a Starbucks already there.

Idea #3: Quaoarians running SETI@home on their qMac computers, announcing that they have discovered life on the 3rd planet from the sun.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 11, 2002, 01:13 PM
Not a bad start - maybe a MacRumors Quaoar shirt and we could have a contest for the design of the qMac.....

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