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Italianblend
Oct 24, 2011, 01:51 PM
Hi,

I am a music teacher and I have literally hundreds of CDs in my collection that I use for my music classes. I have backed these up digitally (with windows media player) and usually use a 300 Disc CD player to house all the music. Still, I have more than 300 CDs and organizing them is a pain.

I think I am ready to take the leap to digitize my library, but I need help and ideas. I have never owned an ipod (I have an iphone though, so I'm not totally oblivious).

But I have a few questions about getting an ipod hooked up with speakers - and how I can use airplay.

Do you need a wireless network to use airplay? Can I use airplay on any speaker system or will I need to buy one directly from apple? With airplay, can I nagivate to the song I want on an ipod and it will simply play over the speakers wirelessly? They won't give me the password to our wireless network here, so I am wondering if I will be able to use it.

What kind of ipod would you recommend for this purpose?

Keep in mind that we have PCs at my school, I hope a mac is not required for airplay.

Are there any alternatives to airplay? Like any devices that will plug into the headphone jack and transmit a wireless signal to a speaker?

Lots of questions, But I would appreciate some advice. Thanks.



jsm4182
Oct 24, 2011, 03:18 PM
Airplay does require a wireless network to work, both the iPhone/iPad/iPod and speakers must be connected to the same wireless network. There are a variety of speaker systems that come with Airplay today, or you could make any stereo/receiver/powered speakers airplay compatible with an Airport Express or AppleTV.

For your situation the best solution may be getting an Airport Express to create a wireless network just for this use and connecting a stereo/speakers to it. Then using your iPhone or an iPod Touch to connect to the speakers with Airplay.

Another option is a speaker system that uses bluetooth to stream music from an iPhone/iPod Touch.

nastebu
Oct 24, 2011, 06:52 PM
Wait, your concern is that you want to be able to walk into a classroom with an ipod, and then hook up that ipod to the classroom's speaker system, right? You're not so worried about home?

Apple OC
Oct 24, 2011, 06:59 PM
load all your CDs into iTunes ... sync them onto a 160GB iPod Classic ... then buy a portable radio that plays music from an iPod ... like this one. Should work well for a classroom

Italianblend
Oct 24, 2011, 07:02 PM
Wait, your concern is that you want to be able to walk into a classroom with an ipod, and then hook up that ipod to the classroom's speaker system, right? You're not so worried about home?

Yep. This is not for home use. I just need a wireless way to transmit the sound from the iPod to the speakers that are already in the room.

nastebu
Oct 24, 2011, 07:16 PM
Yep. This is not for home use. I just need a wireless way to transmit the sound from the iPod to the speakers that are already in the room.

Why does it have to be wireless? Can't you just use an iPod dock and a cable between the speaker system and the dock?

There's a CD system in the room, right? So there must be a jack for audio input. Is there an IT person at the school to talk to? This must be a very very common question for them now.

Trying to go wireless adds a world of hurt there, and lots of ways to go wrong and leave your class plan in tatters. Simple is better here.

Italianblend
Oct 24, 2011, 07:38 PM
I would like it to be wireless. My desk is far away from the speakers.

I suppose I could fish a long wire over to the speakers, but I would like it to be portable and keep it on me throughout the day.

nastebu
Oct 24, 2011, 10:57 PM
Airplay does require a wireless network to work, both the iPhone/iPad/iPod and speakers must be connected to the same wireless network. There are a variety of speaker systems that come with Airplay today, or you could make any stereo/receiver/powered speakers airplay compatible with an Airport Express or AppleTV.

For your situation the best solution may be getting an Airport Express to create a wireless network just for this use and connecting a stereo/speakers to it. Then using your iPhone or an iPod Touch to connect to the speakers with Airplay.

Jsm4182's is the best advice then, as far as I know. You can get an airport express and plug that in near the sound system, and then run a wire between the airport express and the system. Your iPod would be able to connect to the wifi that the Airport Express puts out instead of the school's wifi. You wouldn't have internet, but I suppose that's not so important.

It's kludgy though, and adding links on the chain always provides extra failure points. As a long time teacher, personally I'd go with the simplest thing possible, which is either the good old fashion CD, or the ipod dock directly plugged into the system.

Ice-Cube
Oct 25, 2011, 01:07 AM
You may also want to think about the quality of the music you want to convert from your CDs. If you need them to be of cd quality, you will probably need a huge storage to store all of them. One song can go up to 30-40 mb for uncompressed quality.

kayrypp
Oct 25, 2011, 08:00 AM
Check out the Audioengine W2 (AW2) wireless adapter for iPods. Plug the transmitter into the iPod's dock connector & the receiver into your existing system (the receiver needs to be powered & comes with a USB AC power adapter) & you're ready to rock. The limiting factor is the range, which is listed at 9 meters. At $99, it's the same price as an Airport Express but with better sound.

http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-W2

Italianblend
Oct 25, 2011, 04:38 PM
That looks like a good option. I will look into that. Thank you very much.

androiphone
Oct 25, 2011, 07:19 PM
when you are ripping the music I would suggest ripping to lossless, that way you will get exactly the same quality as the CD, and you can always convert a copy down to fit more music on a iPod, it will be far more future proof than ripping to mp3 or aac.

as for the lossless format your use ALAC is good if you are going to be using iPods and itunes and is a compressed file so will rake up less space, AIFF is more widely supported but is uncompressed, FLAC is compressed but can't be used on iPods/itunes. but you can always convert file formats dead easy in the future if you happen to rip say ALAC now but then want FLAC, and because all the formats are lossless ripping a CD to ALAC then converting to FLAC is the same as ripping the CD direct to FLAC.

mattwolfmatt
Oct 25, 2011, 08:11 PM
I am a music teacher too, I have 5900 songs (many classical but some pop stuff too) and this is only 30GB. If you figure an average of 10 songs per CD, that's almost 600 CDs I guess that I have digitized.

There are some on here that would say that lossless is the way to go. Unless you are listening with $400 headphones, there is no way to tell the difference, so just rip them at the standard iTunes rate.

I guess what I'm saying is, unless you plan on digitizing over 600 songs, I recommend an iPod Touch (32 or 64 if you want tons of room). No need for a classic. It's clunky to use. Then again (I'm serious here), the Touch is a lot more desirable for others to steal. A clunky old looking classic may be just boring enough to not take when the opportunity presents itself.

A suggestion: keep the art updated. Also make sure all your tracks have all the info, including movement information and composer. It is so nice to type in "Holst" in the search box and then all my music by Holst shows up. Without keeping on top of tagging, this would not happen.

Good luck! You will love it!

Italianblend
Oct 26, 2011, 04:35 AM
Thank you:

Is the iPod touch the only searchable iPod?

farmermac
Oct 26, 2011, 09:05 AM
Not to nitpick but your music on CDs is already digital. All you are doing is copying it and losing quality if you compress it down to mp3.

As has been said a iPod classic will be perfect for your use. You can rip everything and encode it down to a decent size and free yourself from coasters.

androiphone
Oct 26, 2011, 11:17 AM
There are some on here that would say that lossless is the way to go. Unless you are listening with $400 headphones, there is no way to tell the difference, so just rip them at the standard iTunes rate.

nooo, storage space is dirt cheap nowadays so there is no reason to not rip to lossless, you get an exact copy of the CD perfect if you loose or damage a CD, you never know in 5 years time there might be some crazy technological breakthrough where you get the sound quality of 10,000 speakers in every 50 pair.

rip to lossless so you never have to rip them again, as I say storage is cheap (1TB HDD for 50), I've ripped ~140 of my CDs so far to ALAC and it has taken up just under 50GB, so 300CD's should be ~100GB not even near the iPod classic storage limit.

rip once to lossless so you never have to rip again no reason not to.

ftaok
Oct 26, 2011, 03:37 PM
I am a music teacher and I have literally hundreds of CDs in my collection that I use for my music classes. I have backed these up digitally (with windows media player) and usually use a 300 Disc CD player to house all the music. Still, I have more than 300 CDs and organizing them is a pain.What do you mean by "I have backed these up digitally (with windows media player)"? Have you converted your CDs to mp3 using WMP?

I think I am ready to take the leap to digitize my library, but I need help and ideas. I have never owned an ipod (I have an iphone though, so I'm not totally oblivious).

But I have a few questions about getting an ipod hooked up with speakers - and how I can use airplay. Just a suggestion, but do you need to use an iPod? How about a laptop? You can play music off of the laptop using iTunes. If you have access to the speakers in the room, you can run a cable from the laptop to the reciever. Alternatively, you could buy an Airport Express and use Airtunes. No need to use the school's network as the Airport Express will set up it's own network and your laptop will connect to that. (downside - you won't be able to surf the internet or connect to the school's network while you're playing music).

Italianblend
Oct 26, 2011, 06:30 PM
What I mean is that I took all of my curriculum CDs and other CDs and let windows media player rip the music, so I have these wmp files as a backup.

ftaok
Oct 26, 2011, 09:04 PM
What I mean is that I took all of my curriculum CDs and other CDs and let windows media player rip the music, so I have these wmp files as a backup.

You might be able to convert these files to something iTunes/iPod can read. Are the files in .WMA format? There are converters that will do this, although re-ripping from the original CDs will yield the best results.

Italianblend
Oct 27, 2011, 04:37 AM
You can usually just add the folder to iTunes and it will convert it automatically.

mattwolfmatt
Oct 27, 2011, 02:17 PM
nooo, storage space is dirt cheap nowadays so there is no reason to not rip to lossless, you get an exact copy of the CD perfect if you loose or damage a CD, you never know in 5 years time there might be some crazy technological breakthrough where you get the sound quality of 10,000 speakers in every 50 pair.

rip to lossless so you never have to rip them again, as I say storage is cheap (1TB HDD for 50), I've ripped ~140 of my CDs so far to ALAC and it has taken up just under 50GB, so 300CD's should be ~100GB not even near the iPod classic storage limit.

rip once to lossless so you never have to rip again no reason not to.

I think the point of the OP is to have all her music with her all the time. A music teacher will soon fill up that classic.

Italianblend
Oct 28, 2011, 08:48 AM
Thanks all - I have another question:

I've started to import my massive library into itunes.

I have curriculum sets that have several CDs for a grade. For example, I have 7 CDs in a Kindergarten Curriculum Set.

Is there a way to group these albums together, so on the album screen, I can have only one picture of a Kindergarten album instead of all 7 listed? I have 3 different curricula and 5 grades for each and it is going to get crowded on the album screen.

Thanks

androiphone
Oct 28, 2011, 10:00 AM
Thanks all - I have another question:

I've started to import my massive library into itunes.

I have curriculum sets that have several CDs for a grade. For example, I have 7 CDs in a Kindergarten Curriculum Set.

Is there a way to group these albums together, so on the album screen, I can have only one picture of a Kindergarten album instead of all 7 listed? I have 3 different curricula and 5 grades for each and it is going to get crowded on the album screen.

Thanks

yep name all the CDs the same name for 'Album' but then 'disc number' the CDs say 1 of 7

so all the Kindergarten CDs are all album named 'Kindergarten Curriculum Set' and the first CD is disc '1 of 7' the 2nd is '2 of 7' ect.

I think the point of the OP is to have all her music with her all the time. A music teacher will soon fill up that classic.

you don't have to have lossless on the device though, you can create a 2nd 256 mp3/aac copy of the lossless files or even use the auto convert to 128aac option in itunes.

as I say storage is cheap I have all my CDs in ALAC but have an identical copy in 320kbs mp3 for my mobile phone, separate playlists in itunes keeps the different formats from mixing.

Italianblend
Oct 28, 2011, 01:49 PM
Thanks! that does seem to work -

When you combine the albums like that, there is one list and they go in order (CD1-all tracks, CD2 all tracks).

I know I'm being Picky, but when the list is populated like this, there is only one graphic for CD1 - then the others just continue down the list. Is there any way to add the graphics for the other CDs? (I have artwork for these, but only CD1 displays in the list).

Like

CD1 Graphic -------- Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
---------------------CD2 Track 1
---------------------Track 2
---------------------CD3

But I want:
CD1 Graphic -------- Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
CD2 Graphic----------CD2 Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
CD3 Graphic----------CD3

androiphone
Oct 31, 2011, 09:54 AM
Thanks! that does seem to work -

When you combine the albums like that, there is one list and they go in order (CD1-all tracks, CD2 all tracks).

I know I'm being Picky, but when the list is populated like this, there is only one graphic for CD1 - then the others just continue down the list. Is there any way to add the graphics for the other CDs? (I have artwork for these, but only CD1 displays in the list).

Like

CD1 Graphic -------- Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
---------------------CD2 Track 1
---------------------Track 2
---------------------CD3

But I want:
CD1 Graphic -------- Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
CD2 Graphic----------CD2 Track 1
---------------------Track 2 etc
CD3 Graphic----------CD3

nah you can't get itunes to display like that, it will show the correct artwork in the 'artwork viewer' for the playing track and also on an iPod, just can't be displayed like that in a list in itunes.

Italianblend
Nov 15, 2011, 03:13 AM
Thanks guys. I have another question:

I have spent the past few weeks importing all of my CDs into iTunes on my work computer. I have not yet created an account for this. Do I need an apple account if I don't plan on purchasing anything? Or can I just plug in a new iPod and sync this music without an account?

And if I do ever get an account, it will be able to use all the music I've imported, right?

Thanks for all the help. When I figure out my budget I'm going to grab an iPod touch and that wireless transmitter!

Thetonyk123
Nov 15, 2011, 06:24 AM
nooo, storage space is dirt cheap nowadays so there is no reason to not rip to lossless, you get an exact copy of the CD perfect if you loose or damage a CD, you never know in 5 years time there might be some crazy technological breakthrough where you get the sound quality of 10,000 speakers in every 50 pair.

rip to lossless so you never have to rip them again, as I say storage is cheap (1TB HDD for 50), I've ripped ~140 of my CDs so far to ALAC and it has taken up just under 50GB, so 300CD's should be ~100GB not even near the iPod classic storage limit.

rip once to lossless so you never have to rip again no reason not to.

HDD are pretty expensive right now because of the flood in Thailand

androiphone
Nov 16, 2011, 10:24 AM
Thanks guys. I have another question:

I have spent the past few weeks importing all of my CDs into iTunes on my work computer. I have not yet created an account for this. Do I need an apple account if I don't plan on purchasing anything? Or can I just plug in a new iPod and sync this music without an account?

And if I do ever get an account, it will be able to use all the music I've imported, right?

Thanks for all the help. When I figure out my budget I'm going to grab an iPod touch and that wireless transmitter!

you may need to create an appleID for an ipod touch (I'm not sure) but even if you do it won't affect any operation of the ipod, you don't even have to sign up with a credit card,
not sure what you mean with: "And if I do ever get an account, it will be able to use all the music I've imported, right?" having an appleID will have no bearing on any music you have imported to itunes and it's use on any ipod.

HDD are pretty expensive right now because of the flood in Thailand

I did write that before the tragic flooding in Thailand cause HDDs to increase in price mind.

Qemre
Nov 16, 2011, 10:43 AM
buy an Olive O3HD. That is just what u need. You simply insert your cd and olive downloads track infos and also the artworks.. google it and see

Consultant
Nov 16, 2011, 10:53 AM
buy an Olive O3HD. That is just what u need. You simply insert your cd and olive downloads track infos and also the artworks.. google it and see

So you are saying a music teacher should buy a $999 device that is not portable just to rip cds?

Qemre
Nov 16, 2011, 03:52 PM
So you are saying a music teacher should buy a $999 device that is not portable just to rip cds?

:) i want to buy that device but i dont need it for the first time it felt like somebody can use that device :) didnt know it was that expensive however he is saying he spent weeks to import, if we calculate the income vs time buying olive may be more sensible than spending so much time to import :p ( i dont know if i am clear enough..)

Tarzanman
Nov 17, 2011, 08:23 AM
I don't think he should use iTunes at all.

Why limit access to your music library with a proprietary program that only talks to Apple stuff?

Rip all of your CD music to FLAC for your archive and mp3 for your mobile devices.

Airplay and network sharing is nice to have... but this is the 21st century... you should be able to fit your entire music library in mp3 on a single device or flash stick/card.

ftaok
Nov 17, 2011, 08:36 AM
I don't think he should use iTunes at all.

Why limit access to your music library with a proprietary program that only talks to Apple stuff?

Rip all of your CD music to FLAC for your archive and mp3 for your mobile devices.

Airplay and network sharing is nice to have... but this is the 21st century... you should be able to fit your entire music library in mp3 on a single device or flash stick/card.What exactly is proprietary about iTunes/AAC? Pretty much all modern devices can play AAC without any issues. Sure, if you have an older car head unit that can only play mp3/WMA, it could be an issue.

Using iTunes to rip CDs does not lock you into anything. You still have access to all of your music files via Finder/Explorer if you choose an MP3 player that supports Drag-n-Drop. You could also opt to manually manage your library if you don't like the way iTunes sorts the files.

I do agree that ALAC does pose some problems if you want to dump iTunes in the future, but with HDD space so cheap, you could archive the CDs as AIFF files if you feel that you may want to switch from MP3/AAC to whatever the next flavor is in the future.

Tarzanman
Dec 5, 2011, 03:23 PM
So, the summation of your counter argument is that there are certain non-apple hardware and software solutions for playing Apple content.


...which goes to the entire point I was making: Avoid having to look for special software or work-arounds by using device-agnostic/common formats.

There's no reason to chain yourself down. Apple hardware might very well suck 10 years from now, which is why I think FLAC and mp3 are a wiser choice.

gnasher729
Dec 5, 2011, 05:57 PM
So, the summation of your counter argument is that there are certain non-apple hardware and software solutions for playing Apple content.


...which goes to the entire point I was making: Avoid having to look for special software or work-arounds by using device-agnostic/common formats.

There's no reason to chain yourself down. Apple hardware might very well suck 10 years from now, which is why I think FLAC and mp3 are a wiser choice.

AAC is an absolute standard. It is what is used in all DVDs. It wasn't widely used in the old times when Microsoft pushed its "Playforsure" and all the player manufacturers tried not to upset Microsoft, but since Microsoft shafted them all, everything plays AAC. Look at any cheap Android phone, it plays AAC. A hint for you: Neither of the A's stands for "Apple". AAC means Advanced Audio Codec.

mp3 is completely outdated. It was outdated ten years ago. And with FLAC, it is really hard to find a player. For lossless encoding, Apple's ALAC is now open source.

GeniusJon
Dec 5, 2011, 08:40 PM
It's for a school environment, Lossless audio is really not necessarily and needed. Unless all the kids wore $600 + headphones, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.