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skunk
May 13, 2005, 01:15 PM
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/05/13/spinning_his_wheels/
Spinning his wheels
By Brian McGrory | May 13, 2005

So let's get this right. Some poor slob in a Cessna brings the capital city of the most powerful nation on earth to its highest level of alert. The vice president, the first lady, and a former first lady are whisked away to secure locations. The entire White House complex is evacuated.

All of Congress is sent scampering, as well, so urgently that women run out of their high heels and food is left on tables and strewn on the floor. The Supreme Court justices are dispatched to a parking garage downstairs.

All in all, more than 30,000 people were ordered out of their workplaces in the middle of the day Wednesday by officials who repeatedly warned them that this was not a drill. Black Hawk helicopters leapt into the sky at Reagan National Airport in Virginia. A pair of F-16 fighter planes were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland and fired flares at the errant aircraft. Split-second decisions were made on whether to shoot down the tiny plane.

All this and the president of the United States, the commander in chief of the military, the war president, as he likes to be called, was never notified. And why not, one might logically ask. Here's why: because he was riding bikes with a high school friend at a wildlife center in suburban Maryland. Maybe the Secret Service figured he was entering his fat-burning zone just as Washington was placed in the Red Zone.

That's right: The most powerful figure in the world was not disturbed in the middle of what was momentarily regarded as the most urgent threat to the homeland since Sept. 11, 2001, because he was getting some midday exercise. The Secret Service followed silently behind him as he and his friend rode their mountain bikes, but said nothing as the nearby capital was gripped by panic.

Yesterday, the administration that has never actually admitted a mistake typically refused to admit a mistake.

''The protocols that were in place after Sept. 11 were followed," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said at yesterday's briefing. ''The president was never considered to be in danger because he was at an offsite location. The president has a tremendous amount of trust in his Secret Service detail."

But wouldn't he want to know that his wife was considered to be in such danger that she had to be moved? His beloved vice president? His chief of staff, Andy Card? He wouldn't want to know that the Capitol might be under attack, that the institutions of democracy had ground to a halt, that his house, his very own house, had to be effectively abandoned?

Wouldn't he at least have been worried about what was going on with the family pets?

''The president was informed immediately upon the conclusion of the bike ride about what had occurred," McClellan said.

The bike ride. Of course. He was informed right after he was done riding bikes.

This, in a nutshell, sums up what's gone wrong in the once promising administration of George W. Bush. His staff apparently didn't feel he needed to know that Washington, D.C., was placed on a high alert. Dick Cheney knew. Don Rumsfeld knew. They didn't see the point to interrupting his bike ride for national security concerns and the life-and-death decisions that were being made in the sky above Washington. You have to wonder if this notoriously incurious president looked up, heard the fighter planes flying overhead, and wondered, even for a flicker of a second, what might have been taking place.

And by yesterday, the White House admitted no fault. They weren't wrong in Iraq, even though weapons of mass destruction were never found. They're not wrong here.

''This was an instance where presidential authority was not required, because we had these protocols in place after Sept. 11," McClellan said.

It all begs the troublesome question that will dog his next three years in office: What else doesn't the president need to know?Total dysfunction. Does not compute. :confused:



zimv20
May 13, 2005, 01:22 PM
note that McClellan got it wrong (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000919345) when first talking to the press.

at 1:15 p.m.:

Q Who was in charge, who would have made the call if this was at threat level red, too serious a threat to allow to continue?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, the President was at an off-site location, and he was informed, and he was informed of the situation that occurred. And obviously, there are protocols in place for that, as well. But the President was being kept well-informed of the situation that was going on.

[...]

Q I think what we're getting at is we'd like to know whether he was on the phone with somebody at the time that there was a red alert; whether he could have conceivably given a shoot-down order; or whether somebody was empowered to do that. I think that's important because this is such a short time frame, you're talking about something that's within three miles of the White House.

MR. McCLELLAN: Right, David, I understand that, and I understand the question. I appreciate the question that you're asking. But I -- from everyone I've talked with, all those that were involved in this from the White House perspective, I didn't get any indication that it came to that point.


later, McClellan released this:

"The President's detail was informed when the decision was made to raise the threat level at the White House to yellow. A determination was made that the threat posed no danger to the President since he was at an off-site location, and protocols were in place to protect people in the area of the threat. Those protocols did not require any presidential authority. Given such circumstances and the fact that the plane turned away from the White House, the decision was made to inform the President upon conclusion of his bike ride."

Don't panic
May 13, 2005, 01:24 PM
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/05/13/spinning_his_wheels/
[/indent]Total dysfunction. Does not compute. :confused:

the people in charge knew and acted accordingly, just like before.
what's confusing you?

skunk
May 13, 2005, 01:26 PM
"Given such circumstances and the fact that the plane turned away from the White House, the decision was made to inform the President upon conclusion of his bike ride."By whom? Some SS bloke? Ridiculous!

skunk
May 13, 2005, 01:27 PM
the people in charge knew and acted accordingly, just like before.
what's confusing you?I hope you're kidding.

Blue Velvet
May 13, 2005, 01:28 PM
The commander-in-chief. :rolleyes:

skunk
May 13, 2005, 01:31 PM
They were probably afraid he'd fall off his bike. Again.

Don't panic
May 13, 2005, 01:33 PM
I hope you're kidding.

me too skunk, me too.

tristan
May 13, 2005, 02:08 PM
Is anyone getting the feeling that they just don't bother to tell Bush stuff anymore? If they want something done, they go straight to Rove or Cheney. :-)

Ugg
May 14, 2005, 01:48 PM
Is anyone getting the feeling that they just don't bother to tell Bush stuff anymore? If they want something done, they go straight to Rove or Cheney. :-)

Do you really think the gw has been anything more than a puppet?

Xtremehkr
May 14, 2005, 02:23 PM
What would George do about it anyway?

I doubt he would have the significance until someone told him anyway.

StealthRider
May 15, 2005, 07:50 PM
Do you really think the gw has been anything more than a puppet?

Don't start...it's unnecessary and off-topic.

zimv20
May 15, 2005, 07:53 PM
it's unnecessary and off-topic.
it's off-topic? if there's a developing threat to the white house, wouldn't you expect bush to be notified?

Don't panic
May 15, 2005, 08:45 PM
Don't start...it's unnecessary and off-topic.

:confused: I thought that WAS the topic

Ugg
May 15, 2005, 08:55 PM
:confused: I thought that WAS the topic


Read Stealth's profile.

IJ Reilly
May 15, 2005, 09:51 PM
Well I think this is actually much worse than it looks. Officially, "the system worked." But in reality, this airplane was able to penetrate the prohibited airspace and fly to within three miles of the White House. By accident. To make the official explanation even more jaw-dropping, the airplane in questions -- a Cessna 152 -- is about the slowest airplane in the general aviation fleet. We're talking a top speed of about 90 knots. If the "system" can't prevent an errant Cessna 152 from flying this close to major potential terrorist targets in Washington DC, then what is the point of the system?

3rdpath
May 16, 2005, 12:07 AM
gw had enough pressure that day having just taken the training wheels off...

would the SS tell him while he was eating a pretzel?

somehow i don't think gw is a multi-tasker.

seriously, it shows just how much scott is winging it at the press conferences. at least ari sounded believable...

solvs
May 16, 2005, 02:47 AM
then what is the point of the system?
To make us feel safe.

At least we know now that 9/11 really was incompetence and not a conspiracy, Apparently NORAD = asleep at the wheel. The administration really should be more careful considering how many people dislike us. Moreso now. Especially now that people know we are still so woefully unprepared.

I'm sure by now, someone has sent a memo to request the formation of a committee. :rolleyes:

pseudobrit
May 16, 2005, 07:00 AM
Apparently NORAD = asleep at the wheel.

Wouldn't that be "asleep at the handlebars?"

pseudobrit
May 16, 2005, 07:09 AM
Well I think this is actually much worse than it looks. Officially, "the system worked." But in reality, this airplane was able to penetrate the prohibited airspace and fly to within three miles of the White House. By accident. To make the official explanation even more jaw-dropping, the airplane in questions -- a Cessna 152 -- is about the slowest airplane in the general aviation fleet. We're talking a top speed of about 90 knots. If the "system" can't prevent an errant Cessna 152 from flying this close to major potential terrorist targets in Washington DC, then what is the point of the system?

What would they have done if a BD-10 zipped through capitol airspace?

iGary
May 16, 2005, 07:23 AM
Considering the fact that the President was not notified until AFTER the planes had struck the WTC, I'm confused as to why this surprises anyone. There is a chain in command that gets followed, inefficient as it may be.

What amazes me, however off-topic this may be, is that the idiot instructor in charge of this plane still has his license and was not charged. I fly this airspace all the time. If you want to fly from say, Annapolis to Bowie (10 minutes) you have to file a flight plan and stay in touch with Washington Center during your entire flight.

The sectional chart for the area VERY CLEARLY marks an ADIZ zone outside of Washington, and the no fly zone around Washington itself. I think people would be a little more upset that the a$$hat flying the plane didn't have his ticket yanked.

IJ Reilly
May 16, 2005, 10:13 AM
It turns out the pilot was not a CFI. He was a fractional owner of the airplane along with the student pilot sitting in the right seat and eight other people. The fact that the passenger was a student pilot is probably how the incorrect story that the pilot was a flight instructor got started.

FAA enforcement actions take time. He'll probably have his ticket suspended at least. The irony of course (several of many) is that GA airplanes quite frequently penetrate the restricted airspace around DC without evacuations of the White House and Capitol Building. So the real story here is how he blundered to within a few miles of these buildings in a very slow airplane. Sadly, my membership organization (AOPA) is also saying "the system worked," when it obviously failed.

Well, at least they're dealing with some of the screwball responses to this story, the worst of which (no surprise) came courtesy of FOX News (http://www.aopa.org/#050512fox).

iGary
May 16, 2005, 10:18 AM
It turns out the pilot was not a CFI. He was a fractional owner of the airplane along with the student pilot sitting in the right seat and eight other people. The fact that the passenger was a student pilot is probably how the incorrect story that the pilot was a flight instructor got started.

FAA enforcement actions take time. He'll probably have his ticket suspended at least. The irony of course (several of many) is that GA airplanes quite frequently penetrate the restricted airspace around DC without evacuations of the White House and Capitol Building. So the real story here is how he blundered to within a few miles of these buildings in a very slow airplane. Sadly, my membership organization (AOPA) is also saying "the system worked," when it obviously failed.

Well, at least they're dealing with some of the screwball responses to this story, the worst of which (no surprise) came courtesy of FOX News (http://www.aopa.org/#050512fox).

Well, he also violated a well-posted ADIZ before entering the "no-fly" area.

I filed a complete flight plan with a well-marked sectional for some aerial photography I was doing, got handed off from departure and the guy told me to exit the ADIZ. I had to file an incident report and go to a hearing just to save my license. This guy violates two major areas and nothing - at least so far.

The system doesn't work well at all. It's inconsistent and full of holes. Some controllers work with you, some let you do whatever you want, and some won't let you do anything even when procedures are followed to the letter.

It's seriously messed up.

IJ Reilly
May 16, 2005, 11:13 AM
Well, he also violated a well-posted ADIZ before entering the "no-fly" area.

I filed a complete flight plan with a well-marked sectional for some aerial photography I was doing, got handed off from departure and the guy told me to exit the ADIZ. I had to file an incident report and go to a hearing just to save my license. This guy violates two major areas and nothing - at least so far.

The system doesn't work well at all. It's inconsistent and full of holes. Some controllers work with you, some let you do whatever you want, and some won't let you do anything even when procedures are followed to the letter.

It's seriously messed up.

Well, you didn't get dragged bodily out of your airplane into that hearing, did you? Obviously this pilot screwed up big-time and will be made to answer for his mistakes. Even AOPA, which usually sticks up for pilots who violate the vague and inconsistent rules put into place after 9-11 is calling for his hide.

iGary
May 16, 2005, 11:15 AM
Well, you didn't get dragged bodily out of your airplane into that hearing, did you? Obviously this pilot screwed up big-time and will be made to answer for his mistakes. Even AOPA, which usually sticks up for pilots who violate the vague and inconsistent rules put into place after 9-11 are calling for his hide.

Um, no, but I didn't fly into the biggest no-no of off-limits airspace in the country either.