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MacRumors
Nov 2, 2011, 10:45 PM
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While Apple revealed as part of its notes (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/02/apple-seeds-new-itunes-beta-for-continued-itunes-match-testing/) on the new iTunes 10.5.1 beta 2 released earlier today that iTunes Match is now available for testing on Apple TV, the option is appearing not just for developers but also for regular users. The general public is unable to activate the feature, however, as subscriptions to iTunes Match must be initiated through iTunes 10.5.1, which has yet to see a public release.

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The second-generation Apple TV has lacked a "Music" section on its main menu page because Apple has not offered any streaming music services, although users are currently able to stream music content from their computers via Home Sharing in iTunes. That option is accessed through the "Computers" section on the main menu page.

Article Link: Apple Turns on iTunes Match for Apple TV with New 'Music' Section (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/02/apple-turns-on-itunes-match-for-apple-tv-with-new-music-section/)



TMar
Nov 2, 2011, 10:52 PM
The same way iOS devices have had the option and no way to subscribe. The software is ready before the service, and this is news?

Diode
Nov 2, 2011, 11:13 PM
The same way iOS devices have had the option and no way to subscribe. The software is ready before the service, and this is news?

Because it was not announced for ATV until today?

Now you don't need your computer on to stream music to the ATV - this has not been possible with the ATV2 until now. Seems like news to me.

ovrlrd
Nov 2, 2011, 11:25 PM
The best thing about iTunes Match on the AppleTV is it shows that Apple is not afraid to allow the service to stream music without requiring it to also download the music at the same time. While technically it streams to iOS devices just fine, it also downloads the music in the background, preventing you from using it as a stream-only service.

Basically iTunes Match on AppleTV proves they will probably be more open to stream-only in the future, but choose to have it act the way it does for only the present (possibly due to potential heavy traffic).

Diode
Nov 2, 2011, 11:57 PM
The best thing about iTunes Match on the AppleTV is it shows that Apple is not afraid to allow the service to stream music without requiring it to also download the music at the same time. While technically it streams to iOS devices just fine, it also downloads the music in the background, preventing you from using it as a stream-only service.

I think it just hints that you may be able to have other things streaming to the ATV (and other devices) "from the cloud" - IE movies and TV shows.

One could only hope.

japasneezemonk
Nov 3, 2011, 12:09 AM
so is is the service going to be streaming, download, or both?

gmcalpin
Nov 3, 2011, 01:15 AM
I think it just hints that you may be able to have other things streaming to the ATV (and other devices) "from the cloud" - IE movies and TV shows.

One could only hope.
Apple certainly wants to do it, but it's up to the studios, unfortunately. With any luck Steve Jobs taught Tim Cook a thing or two about strongarming suits into doing Apple's bidding.

saving107
Nov 3, 2011, 01:23 AM
Because it was not announced for ATV until today?

Now you don't need your computer on to stream music to the ATV - this has not been possible with the ATV2 until now. Seems like news to me.

With AirPlay, my computer doesn't need to be ON so that I can stream my Music.

locust76
Nov 3, 2011, 03:48 AM
With AirPlay, my computer doesn't need to be ON so that I can stream my Music.

It does if the music you want to listen to is on your computer...

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This is iTunes Match only, right? Meaning we can't stream our purchased iTunes music from the ATV without a PC or iDevice? That's kind of lame.

Tha Professor
Nov 3, 2011, 04:03 AM
With AirPlay, my computer doesn't need to be ON so that I can stream my Music.

And it does if you don't have any other iOS device. This basically "re-downloads" anything you have purchased from iTunes or moved to the iCloud. So you can come home, or even a friends house, login with your iTunes Match Account and listen to YOUR music without iPhone, iPad or Computer on you! I think this is perfect and I only hope they will include the ability to store multiple iTunes Match accounts, because ATV is very often in a family environment and i don't want my family to go through tons of bass music in my library to find their favorite mellow tunes...

saving107
Nov 3, 2011, 05:23 AM
SNIP

SNIP

My response was based on this statement:

Now you don't need your computer on to stream music to the ATV - this has not been possible with the ATV2 until now.

With the inclusion of AirPlay, the ability to stream Music to an Apple TV without a computer present has been there, but of course you were limited by having to own an iOS device and the capacity of music held on your device.

With iTunes Match on the Apple TV, Apple is getting rid of the middle man (Computer/iOS device), so this is a welcomed addition.

liquidsuns
Nov 3, 2011, 06:00 AM
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The best thing about iTunes Match on the AppleTV is it shows that Apple is not afraid to allow the service to stream music without requiring it to also download the music at the same time. While technically it streams to iOS devices just fine, it also downloads the music in the background, preventing you from using it as a stream-only service.

I think it just hints that you may be able to have other things streaming to the ATV (and other devices) "from the cloud" - IE movies and TV shows.

One could only hope.

Apple has already made TV shows iClouded. Purchased shows can be redownloaded on any iOS device and Mac, and even streamed (which I wish you could do on everything and not have to download) on Apple TV.

jclardy
Nov 3, 2011, 09:52 AM
I thought iTunes Match was not a "streaming" service, yet the Apple TV only does streaming with a large buffer.

It would be nice to just have streaming on the iPhone as well, rather than just downloading.

Either way, i'll be subscribing as it boils down to only $2.08 per month. And it will make it so I don't have to "Erase & sync" my iPhone to sync music as I lost my old iTunes library file when I moved all my music to a NAS.

One thing I have been wondering...does it actually replace your local files with 256kbps AACs? And are the replacements DRM free? I'm wondering what happens if you decide not to resubscribe the next year, as in do you get to keep the "upgraded" music?

milo
Nov 3, 2011, 10:05 AM
One thing I have been wondering...does it actually replace your local files with 256kbps AACs? And are the replacements DRM free?

It replaces them if you delete the old files and tell it to download the new ones. And no DRM, that was part of the initial announcement. You'll get to keep those new files forever (and load them to other devices, convert to other file formats, etc).

ravenvii
Nov 3, 2011, 10:58 AM
It replaces them if you delete the old files and tell it to download the new ones. And no DRM, that was part of the initial announcement. You'll get to keep those new files forever (and load them to other devices, convert to other file formats, etc).

In other words, endorsed piracy.

Brilliant move by Apple, really.

d21mike
Nov 3, 2011, 11:30 AM
Since I will not be using Music Match, I don't like it that they are dedicating a High Level Menu item for Music but it is ONLY for Music Match. It would be nice to have my other Music (like my iTunes Purchased Music) under that heading instead of having to go to the Computer Section. With ATV 1 I think my iTunes stuff was under the headings for the content and not under Computers. Also, it appears that the Internet Heading covers way too many items. I would like new Internet items like Hulu and also hopefully some Apps for other Video Sources. I would not want everything to be under Internet. I guess ideally it would be good if I could organize the Menus to suit my needs.

globality
Nov 3, 2011, 11:57 AM
The only thing I really care is that whether Apple will have a Netflix-Like streaming service. iTunes match is different from Pandora or Spotify.

APlotdevice
Nov 3, 2011, 12:36 PM
I'm a little bit surprised that you will need iTunes to initiate Match. With PC independence having been pushed so heavily in iOS 5.

macbd
Nov 3, 2011, 12:44 PM
I'm a little bit surprised that you will need iTunes to initiate Match. With PC independence having been pushed so heavily in iOS 5.

I think the fact that your Match music will be available on the Apple TV demonstrates that they are moving forward with PC independence. But I can see why you would need to sign up for iTunes match on your computer's iTunes because, that is essentially the connection between your iTunes library and the Cloud. Once you have everything loaded you should be good to go - PC/iTunes free. At least for music at this point.

gtmac
Nov 3, 2011, 01:00 PM
In other words, endorsed piracy.

Brilliant move by Apple, really.

It is, it allows the record industry to recover revenue from pirated Music long out the door.

Icculus
Nov 3, 2011, 01:12 PM
In other words, endorsed piracy.

Brilliant move by Apple, really.

Your avatar pic is priceless. Awesome.

Dan--
Nov 3, 2011, 01:42 PM
Now you don't need your computer on to stream music to the ATV - this has not been possible with the ATV2 until now. Seems like news to me.

True. Except that you still cannot listen to lossless music this way. On the good system. (Argh!)

Todisco
Nov 3, 2011, 02:48 PM
In other words, endorsed piracy.

Brilliant move by Apple, really.

It's not piracy if the original files were obtained legally - it is just upgrading the quality. ::p

lowonthe456
Nov 3, 2011, 11:10 PM
Big question for me.

It seems from what I am reading that with ATV2 and iTunes Match I can stream music from the cloud. If true thats awesome. My question is, my 2011 MBP has a cruddy 320gb HD, I could then conceivably delete all the music from my MBP and choose music from the cloud to my iPhone 4 right? My HD is full, mostly due to movies (iTunes should send me a thank you card lol) so my thought was when this goes live with movies, like it did with TV shows, I could, essentially, dump all the media from my physical drive and let it all come from the cloud.

Am I understanding correctly?

ryanromine
Nov 4, 2011, 07:59 AM
I think the iTunes Match works seamlessly with this new beta. I turned on the iTunes match last night on the :apple:tv and it instantly found my library. works very well!!

pmz
Nov 4, 2011, 08:28 AM
The best thing about iTunes Match on the AppleTV is it shows that Apple is not afraid to allow the service to stream music without requiring it to also download the music at the same time. While technically it streams to iOS devices just fine, it also downloads the music in the background, preventing you from using it as a stream-only service.

Basically iTunes Match on AppleTV proves they will probably be more open to stream-only in the future, but choose to have it act the way it does for only the present (possibly due to potential heavy traffic).

Stop talking about "streaming". That's an archaic concept compared to the way iTunes Match works. When you use Match on your iOS device, you ARE streaming as you know it, but you're doing more than that. It's a convenience and a feature, not some flaw like you ancient streaming hounds believe.

pmz
Nov 4, 2011, 08:39 AM
Big question for me.

It seems from what I am reading that with ATV2 and iTunes Match I can stream music from the cloud. If true thats awesome. My question is, my 2011 MBP has a cruddy 320gb HD, I could then conceivably delete all the music from my MBP and choose music from the cloud to my iPhone 4 right? My HD is full, mostly due to movies (iTunes should send me a thank you card lol) so my thought was when this goes live with movies, like it did with TV shows, I could, essentially, dump all the media from my physical drive and let it all come from the cloud.

Am I understanding correctly?

Your "understanding" is correct, but your decision making is horrible.

Hard drives are cheap as dirt. Hundreds of gigabytes of music is NOT. Why on earth would you delete your music to rely on the cloud? If you want to archive your music after iCloud has gotten it all, on say an additional HDD, and free up space on your active drive....then yes that is a reasonable decision.

But deleting your music because you think iCloud is that reliable, and because youre too cheap to buy drive to store it on, is ludicrous.

pmz
Nov 4, 2011, 08:51 AM
This is iTunes Match only, right? Meaning we can't stream our purchased iTunes music from the ATV without a PC or iDevice? That's kind of lame.

Why is this supposed to mean?

You're complaining there is no "Purchased" tab under music that lets you access your purchase history in iTunes, like the TV show tab has? So what, just subscribe to Match, set it up, and you'll never to care about that again.

And what does pc/iDevice have to do with it? is there even one single customer of the AppleTV that doesn't already have at least one pc or iDevice?

milo
Nov 4, 2011, 09:36 AM
I'm a little bit surprised that you will need iTunes to initiate Match. With PC independence having been pushed so heavily in iOS 5.

Without a PC, what files would you be matching to?

APlotdevice
Nov 4, 2011, 09:59 AM
Without a PC, what files would you be matching to?

You wouldn't. But they already have a record of the songs that you purchased through iTunes. You should at least be able to access those from your :apple:TV.

milo
Nov 4, 2011, 10:04 AM
You wouldn't. But they already have a record of the songs that you purchased through iTunes. You should at least be able to access those from your :apple:TV.

Ah, I get it. But if everything is purchased from iTunes (which I guess would be the case if you had iOS devices but never synced them to a computer) you wouldn't need match. It sounds like they just need to add support for listing purchased songs on the aTV if they don't have it already.

Accessed to music purchased through iTunes store is already available and has no extra charge, Match will only be needed for songs you got elsewhere.

ipedro
Nov 27, 2011, 07:10 PM
Big question for me.

It seems from what I am reading that with ATV2 and iTunes Match I can stream music from the cloud. If true thats awesome. My question is, my 2011 MBP has a cruddy 320gb HD, I could then conceivably delete all the music from my MBP and choose music from the cloud to my iPhone 4 right? My HD is full, mostly due to movies (iTunes should send me a thank you card lol) so my thought was when this goes live with movies, like it did with TV shows, I could, essentially, dump all the media from my physical drive and let it all come from the cloud.

Am I understanding correctly?

You could conceivably delete all your content but the danger in that is that there is a clause in iTunes Match that says that Apple will only allow you to re-download your music as long as it is still available in iTunes. If the distributer delists it, you're screwed.

A better decision would be to relocate your iTunes library to an external hard drive, disconnect it and store it in a safe place as insurance. Every now and then, update your physical library on the external as you buy new music.