OS X 10.4.1 Now Available

[NATO]

Mac OS X 10.4.1 has been released through Software Update, bringing a number of improvements for many components within the OS. The Download is 37.7MB.

The 10.4.1 Update delivers overall improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.4 and is recommended for all users. It includes improvements for:

file sharing using AFP and SMB/CIFS network file services
using DHCP in wireless networks
user login when accessing LDAP and Active Directory servers
core graphics including updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
synchronization with .Mac
Address Book, iCal, Font Book, Mail, and Preview applications
Dashboard widgets: Address Book, Flight Tracker, Phone Book, and World Clock
creating and burning disk images using Disk Utility
compatibility with third party applications and devices

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n301517

[jimsowden]

I take it back. Nice merger, not like mine that got stolen. Build 8B15.

[zap2]

great! now tiger is even better

[mduser63]

I'm disappointed that they didn't say anything about updating the iTunes Controller Widget. It barely works. Also don't see any mention of fixing the bug in iPhoto where pictures get "enhanced" when you click done after performing edits. Oh well, maybe in 10.4.2.

[daveL]

Here we go with the endless "10.4.1 broke my _____ !" posts.

[kjr39]

Good catch.

Being a guinea pig now.

snort, snort....

[daveL]

I'm disappointed that they didn't say anything about updating the iTunes Controller Widget. It barely works. Also don't see any mention of fixing the bug in iPhoto where pictures get "enhanced" when you click done after performing edits. Oh well, maybe in 10.4.2.
They never list every single change made in an update. You'll have to try the update to see if it fixes a particular problem. A bug you see in a specific app may well be fixed in some library or framework that a number of apps use, i.e. it's not necessarily a bug in the, per se.

[jmsait19]

maybe ill be able to hit my network at work now and not see any broken aliases

[virividox]

wow that was fast

[Freg3000]

So no fix for the iTunes widget, but for 4 others? Hmmmm...the iTunes widget is flakey.

Updating now. See you on the other side. :)

[Analog Kid]

Been waiting for this...

Interesting that there's no mention of the Weather widget-- crashiest widget I have...

[feakbeak]

I've installed it. Only thing of note so far is that it disable the httpmail plug-in - probably because 1.43 broke Mail. However, I had 1.44 that works fine with Tiger/Mail 2 and it still got disabled. After re-installing it everything worked fine though.

[Plymouthbreezer]

That was fast!

[Plymouthbreezer]

What is "updated drivers" for Core Image mean??

[dizastor]

looks like time to upgrade to 10.4

[Jonx]

software update doesnt show anyupdates for me :confused:

[quackattack]

Very cool, this just gave alot of the people who were scared of 10.4.0 an excuse to upgrade to Tiger!

[myamid]

Installed it on my PM G5 and G3 iBook and everything seems to have gone smoothly... first boot was a little slow, but I guess that's to be expected.

[iGary]

You all have fun with it for the next couple of weeks. I'll hang out and watch. :rolleyes:

[poundsmack]

wow that was pretty fast. OSX 10.4.2 tomarow? :)

[Koodauw]

Just got my new Powerbook today. Time to put the new update on it!

[jmsait19]

downloaded. installed. restarted.

all is well on the home front.

all you babies can go buy your tiger now that 10.4.1 is out!

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Hmm... nothing about Safari upgrades.

My Safari 2.0 has crashed on me a couple of times, each time when I've closed a tab (either with cmd-W or the X-button). I was kind of hoping this would be fixed...

Edit: That should be no mention of Safari before entering the about page (http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n301517). Safari is mentioned, but not "my" problem... :(

[Abulia]

Interesting that there's no mention of the Weather widget-- crashiest widget I have...I run Weather and my Dashboard has never crashed. Sure it's Weather?

[rowanhall]

sweet!

tiger is well on its way!
that'll make some smiling faces! the wait is over for some!

:)

[mklos]

You people have no faith in Apple. I've never had a single bit of trouble with any OS, or OS update. This sounds like a great update.

As far as fixing problems in iPhoto, well thats an iPhoto problem, not an OS issue. So you'll have to wait for the iPhoto 5.0.3 update for that. It would help if you let Apple know about that problem and provide feedback for iPhoto.

[ham_man]

Time to go and buy Tiger...:D

[NATO]

There's quite a few fixes in this update but there's still a lot of small bugs left to fix. It'll probably take another one or two updates to iron out all the remaining obvious bugs. I know for a fact that the menu bar clock is still not communicating with the International preferences as I am still unable to modify the format of the displayed time.

[iEric]

You people have no faith in Apple. I've never had a single bit of trouble with any OS, or OS update.

That is quite true. The only time that I had a trouble with an update is when I modified the os with skins and stuff and thats really my fault for screwing things up.

But I guess it happens. Computers, like humans, aren't all perfect.

Well, except me. :P (Before all of you get angry, that was just a joke)

[hoppo99]

You people have no faith in Apple. I've never had a single bit of trouble with any OS, or OS update. This sounds like a great update.

Quite right. I've never had any problems with OS X or any other the updates. Installing now with complete faith.

[Makosuke]

Being a guinea pig now.

snort, snort....
Actually, more like "Reeeet, reeeet..."

Interesting that in reading through the full list there are fixes for three or four little tiny annoyances (like no scrollwheel support in Widgets) that I'd noticed personally, and at least a half dozen bugs/oddities that I've seen reported on the web in the past week (mostly Airport and .Mac issues). Looks like a lot of the rough edges are getting smoothed out.

Personally, though, the only complaint I have is that I've been seeing more actual system instability on my G5 than I'm comfortable with--two freezes on wake and one other odd systemwide stall, and it's a largely unmodified clean install so I don't think it's leftover gunk. Not a terrible record for two weeks of heavy use, but I'm used to weeks of uptime (months on my G4 at work), so hopefully there is some lower-level stuff that this helps with as well.

[JW Pepper]

Does this fix the problem with MS Office 2004 reporting that nearly all my fonts are corrupt?

[danm]

I've immediately noticed that the expose choppiness has been rectified.

[mduser63]

Just restarted after the update, and everything seems to be working fine. The iTunes widget seems like it may be working better now too. It'll take a little more time with it to tell for sure.

I've been using OS X since 10.3.4, and I have never had a problem with any update. That's with 3 Macs, all three of which started with 10.3.4.

[Flying Llama]

Sadly this probably won't even affect me, 10.4.0 has been running sweet so-far... but nice to see a speedy update! :)

[Nermal]

software update doesnt show anyupdates for me :confused:

Same here, so I'm downloading it manually.

[andysmith]

Installed - everything seems fine, except the Growl plugin for mail doesn't work :(

Edit: Browsed Growl's site a bit, and found a solution.
1) Quit Mail.app
2) Browse to ~/Library/Mail/, and rename 'Bundles (disabled)' to 'Bundles'
3) Fire up Terminal, and enter: defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2
4) Start Mail.app again and it should work :)

[straphound]

Have any of you noticed is this fixes the problem with the default color profile not being available with fast user switching? I had this problem and just turned off FUS and it seems to be okay.

It would go from Color LCD to Generic RGB. Color LCD wasn't available until I rebooted.

[tjwett]

was really hoping to see an Automator update in there, it really needs one badly.

[Stella]

Doesn't look like this fixes Automator actions non ability to run outside of the app itself correctly with some actions.

Neither the Finder crashing randomly when you open up an application Package.

:-(

[myamid]

You people have no faith in Apple. I've never had a single bit of trouble with any OS, or OS update. This sounds like a great update.


Um... well although I "somewhat" agree with you, does anyone remember the
10.2.6 (or was it 10.2.8? ) debacle where Apple had to pull the update for a few days... Oh, and the 10.3.0 upgrade that screwed up Firewire drives.

Although I really do trust Apple to the core, I can't blame anyone for being cautious after these 2 screwups!

[aswitcher]

Same here, so I'm downloading it manually.


Must be that new antipiracy feature of Tiger :p ;)

Works fine here in Sydney

[DrEwe]

but otherwise smooth update experience. I guess the previous poster is correct - we will have to wait for an iPhoto update to fix the annoying "automatic saturation" problem....

[Nermal]

Same here, so I'm downloading it manually.

... and now that I've downloaded it, it tells me that I don't have enough free space! (I have about 30 GB free) Time to repair permissions :rolleyes:

Edit: It's installing now :)

[orlando12]

Anybody know if this update fixed the autoupdate java stuff for things like mlb gameday??

[varmit]

What is "updated drivers" for Core Image mean??better, faster graphics and probably updated APIs too.

[iSaint]

Same here, so I'm downloading it manually.

Software Update has quit about six attempts in a row, wonder what's up with that?

[DTphonehome]

Just updated...so far no major OH DEAR GOD I'M ON FIRE!! DAMN YOU 10.4.1!! ARGH!!

[poundsmack]

heavey server load mabey?

[MattG]

Still no fix for Safari improperly rendering Quicktime links, or for Quicktime not properly playing streams.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1453832#post1453832

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

That's annoying: This upgrade made Mail disable my GPGmail.mailbundle, even if I had version 1.1 (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10049) which should work with Tiger, and was working flawlessly with OS X 10.4.0 and Mail 2.0. Now Mail 2.0.1 under 10.4.1 refuses to have anything to do with GPG and disables the mailbundle when Mail is started... :mad:

[Dagless]

bugger :) had my Powerbook on for 7 and a half days too

[Jonx]

Must be that new antipiracy feature of Tiger :p ;)

Works fine here in Sydney
what the hell are you talking about? are they selling pirated stuff on their retail store :p

[mkrishnan]

Just out of curiousity, does the update include the DVD Player update which never got seeded out via software update? Lalala, I suppose I should just install and find out. ;) But >4 days of uptime is quite an accomplishment for me and 10.4.0 so .... :D

EDIT, also btw it does show up for me in s/u update (10.4.1 -- not DVD player, which never did)

[jakemikey]

Still no mail 2 fix for me...still needs a force-quit every time and messages disappear when switching between mailboxes.

[MBHockey]

Grrr...they didn't fix the expose bug...

[tj53]

All's well here, cept Mail disabled JunkMatcher which is annoying.

[berkleeboy210]

Just installed on 1.33ghz 12" now time to move over to the iMac G5 and install it there.

[chubad]

Software Update has quit about six attempts in a row, wonder what's up with that?

Software update quit 3 times for me when trying to update. I went to the site and downloaded from there. Oddly the setup assistant launced after updating. Software update now works. But nothing to update now!

[Daveway]

I'm still downloading. Anyone see a fix for Quicktime/Divx6, dock menus, and some java stuff?

[SAukland]

Haha. OS 10.4.1 next tuesday!! Someone was right this time. :D

I'm VERY happy this update is out. This whole system coming to a screeching halt thing is getting a little old. Come on mail update.

[Nuc]

httpmail for hotmail (version 1.44) is broken now :mad:

Nuc

[Nermal]

what the hell are you talking about? are they selling pirated stuff on their retail store :p

Maybe he's making fun of the rampant piracy that we have here in NZ. But more likely, he's implying that I have a pirated copy - I got it early from a local reseller :)

I took a photo of the manual to prove it was legit, and someone accused me of printing it myself! :eek:
It's quite funny to look back on it :D

[Gherkin]

Didn't really have any problems with 10.4, and everything feels smooth right now with 10.4.1.

It did bring my system to a ridiculously slow crawl for like 20 minutes when it was installing though. Annoyed the heck out of me as I've never experienced anything like it with OS X before, but everything seems great now after the restart.

[Balin64]

The iTunes Widget is not fixed. Same dog. BUT, I just noticed this. If you are typing in a field in Safari (such as this post box), call up the iTunes widget and hit track forward, and go back to typing... after about 10-12 seconds the track FINALLY advances, BUT MY CURSOR GOES AWAY. Yep, I must click at the last character I typed and start typing again. It's actually worse...

I still can't print to my Epson SP 1200 even with the latest Epson driver; just sits there after Print Center says the job is complete.

Luckily, everything else is working fine...

[jkhanson]

The update was very smooth for me. Time will tell if the two problems I have had are fixed: 1) Airport DHCP connection has been dropping periodically -- it never used to under Panther; 2) seemingly random kernel panic on shutdown. The latter has only happened twice, once on my PowerMac and once on my iBook.

[Mac_Freak]

Just updated. Everything seems fine. Hope it will fix crash on make roblem that I had once a week. I had this problem since Panther. :(

[j-a-x]

I'm dissapointed that it didnt fix the bug where you move the cursor over a column in "list" view and it does not update the cursor to the resize cursor anymore like it did in panther and jaguar etc. That is such a small bug but its so obvious and makes the OS really look like it's not polished.

Also, I've given up on iPhoto since they did not fix the bug with the pictures turning red on every edit.

Instead it disabled a mail plugin that I love, and that used to work fine in tiger 10.4.0.

=(

[quackattack]

Just installed on the system below. No problems to report.

No major improvements either, I felt that 10.4.0 worked fine.

Expose does seem somewhat smoother, as does the "ripple" in dashboard... but this could be my mind. I don't want to be the boy who cried "snappy" ;)

[adamjay]

the bug where Dock magnification would stay on after ctrl+click and then clicking on desktop was fixed. :)

the bug where a widget that occupies space over the MenuBar, and if you click on the widget over the menu bar, you'd get "click thru" onto the MenuBar - was NOT fixed. :rolleyes:

Preview is still buggy with larger .pdf's but not AS buggy as 10.4.0

Expose has the snappiness back indeed.

[Jonx]

Maybe he's making fun of the rampant piracy that we have here in NZ. But more likely, he's implying that I have a pirated copy - I got it early from a local reseller :)

I took a photo of the manual to prove it was legit, and someone accused me of printing it myself! :eek:
It's quite funny to look back on it :D
ahhhhhh lol :D

[killmoms]

I don't want to be the boy who cried "snappy" ;)
I hope this quote becomes a regular part of MacRumors conversation every time an update comes up. Brilliant!

Haven't installed 10.4.1 yet, haven't been home all day. :/

[aswitcher]

SNIP. But more likely, he's implying that I have a pirated copy - I got it early from a local reseller :)

I took a photo of the manual to prove it was legit, and someone accused me of printing it myself! :eek:
It's quite funny to look back on it :D


Someone has to put Jobs picture in the places of Lucus's for that Darth Vader helmet cut away for when they do start serial numbering issues :D

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

This update still doesn't fix an issue which begun with 10.4. Whenever I download a .vcs file to add to iCal, OS X renames the file ending .ics, annoying in it self, but it gets worse: iCal then refuses to import the file because it's not a valid .ics file... :rolleyes:

Manually renaming it back to .vcs (which involves a warning where keeping the old ending is default) does the trick, and now iCal is more than happy to add the file, but it seems like an unnecessarily difficult process for each and every one .vcs download and iCal adding... :mad:

[Sirus The Virus]

My update is 19.4 MB insted of 37.7 MB. Is this a type-o or something??

[Macaddicttt]

Can anyone tell me if this solved the problems with using iChat video chats with PC users I've read about here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=123894&highlight=tiger+ichat+video)? Is this just an isolated incident or are all Tiger users facing the same problem?

[skunk]

Curious thing: I ran an fsck routine, and got a load of lines (about 8) saying "Extension (whatever) not attached to kernel", or some such weirdness. WTF? Can't see any glitches yet, but I'm disconcerted, to say the least. :confused:

[veedubdrew]

All is well here on my 17" PB. Right off the bat I've noticed that Exposé is much smoother now.

-Drew

[Sirus The Virus]

Optimizing System Performance.......

[macgallant]

Apple didn't fix the MDD Audio bug introduced in Mac OSX 10.3.6 Panther in the Mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger update!

Also some other Mac Users and I experienced scrollbar graphic anomalies (bits of the scrollbar will leave a trail of pieces of itself when Safari renders webpages for certain forums and websites.

Here's the link of BenchJS:
http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html

Go directly to the latest test results by clicking the appropriate button and the scrollbar trails will appear.
or
Run the test to finish and at the final results, the scrollbar will leave trail.

Hopefully you see what I mean!

[Marble]

Oh no... my Titanium 1Ghz still can't switch resolution or change brightness. I thought I'd just have to wait until this update for my eyes to stop burning and so I can play games with my brother again. Come on, Apple... I *can't change my screen resolution or brightness settings and it is making it hard for me to use my computer*. Sigh..

[MoparShaha]

It's still making the last hidden application pop up when I log in from Login Window or from the screensaver or sleep authentication box. Really annoying. I'm amazed this bug still exists.

I still feel like I'm running a beta.

[quodlibetic]

Spam Sieve was disabled with this update. Other than that, smooth sailing... so far. :rolleyes:

[afields]

I wonder if this fixes some of the .Mac issues...

[aswitcher]

Nothing brokwn here...as far as I can tell

[Ti_Poussin]

The dock contextual menu stock the dock open is fixe. For people with expose and dashboard smoother, Quartz Extrem is ON now by default, it's probably why. Everything run smooth. For those with problem with Mail plug-in, look inside this thread there's a solution.

[TreeHugger]

Anybody know if this update fixed the autoupdate java stuff for things like mlb gameday??

didn't fix it for me...

[Daveway]

Things I've noticed:
-Resolution independent users is working now
-dock shrinks now after a menu is brought up, but makes a weird jump
-spotlight is still kinda slow
-address book widget is broken?
-"I Get Movies" and "Bittorrent" are still broken.

[fr0]

10.4: mail would launch and lock-up immediately requiring a force quit

10.4.1: mail actually launches AND works.

w00t.

Anyone else still pining for the ability to trust unverified SSL certificates? My friend's mail server uses one and I perpetually have to accept it when I use Mail.

[bankshot]

Hmm. No mention of USB driver updates, or for that matter, any stability fixes. I've had 7 panics in the last 2 weeks, all with the USB driver. Clean install, yada yada. Here's hoping this update fixes that, otherwise I think I'll have to go back to Panther. :(

[stid]

...
Here's the link of BenchJS:
http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html

Go directly to the latest test results by clicking the appropriate button and the scrollbar trails will appear.
or
Run the test to finish and at the final results, the scrollbar will leave trail.

Hopefully you see what I mean!

Same.

[nightdweller25]

After the graphics drivers and Core Image update from 10.4.1, I feel Expose to be much faster and smoother now. :)

[shambolic]

The dock contextual menu stock the dock open is fixe. For people with expose and dashboard smoother, Quartz Extrem is ON now by default, it's probably why.
Quartz Extreme was enabled by default in Panther and Jaguar too. Assuming you mean Quartz 2D Extreme, it's not on for me:

$ defaults read /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver Quartz2DExtremeEnabled
0

And that's on a high-end Powerbook (Radeon 9700 video card). Posts I've read on other forums seem to agree that it's still disabled for most if not all of us... :confused:

[skunk]

Aha! Three restarts later, everything is back to normal. Must have been a pre-binding lag or something (grasping at straws here). Much quicker start up these days, I must say.

[Sirus The Virus]

YES!! The scrolling bug in Reason 2.5 is fixed! This is a godsend! Thanks Apple!!! :)

[Nermal]

"Bittorrent" [is] still broken.

4.0.2?

[MontyZ]

Quite right. I've never had any problems with OS X or any other the updates. Installing now with complete faith.
I'm so glad there are people out there willing to test software before I upgrade.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Ok, downloaded 10.4.1. and I ran repair permissions... Lo and behold, the computer hasn't exploded yet...:P

[aegisdesign]

Also, I've given up on iPhoto since they did not fix the bug with the pictures turning red on every edit.


Never had that problem in iPhoto 5.x although I do wish they'd go back to the red-eye correction method that iPhoto 4.x used.

[mlrproducts]

So far so good...

Expose seems smoother and spotlight seems faster, but that may not be the case. Nothing is broken, but Gratis's free sites still don't load all the time in Safari.

WHAT A DAY! My free Mac mini comes in the mail, I order the up-to-date program for it off the serial number, I open it up and there is already a drop in kit, and now this! I LOVE APPLE!

[SoGood]

Spam Sieve was disabled with this update. Other than that, smooth sailing... so far. :rolleyes:
Works fine on my installation.

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....the SpamCop Mail.bundle is now broken. There seems to be a pattern of mail bundles having problems in this update. Shame, as SubSume does not update/support that SpamCop bundle anymore.....oh yeah!

[matticus008]

My weather widget now crashes, whereas before it was perfectly fine. It has unexpectedly quit twice in the past hour. I'm going to have to keep my eye on it.

The dock bug is fixed, thank goodness (that weird jump someone mentioned happened in Panther, too, by the way). My Automator login apps now seem to execute and mount shares faster (and with a notice in the menu bar...was this there before?), and my network connection failures no longer beachball the Finder (hooray!).

I also tried to replicate that "click through" Dashboard bug, but it only worked when there was a transparent region around the widget that I clicked on, not when a widget was placed over the menu bar icons. There's not a lot of reason to click on a transparent region, except to exit Dashboard, so I guess I don't see a problem.

[MajorTom]

Has the 'horizontal tearing' problem been resolved on the ATI X800 card with this update??

[huckleup]

Hmm. No mention of USB driver updates, or for that matter, any stability fixes. I've had 7 panics in the last 2 weeks, all with the USB driver. Clean install, yada yada. Here's hoping this update fixes that, otherwise I think I'll have to go back to Panther. :(

I don't think this has been fixed in 8B15. I installed it last week (it was then still defined as a 'seed' and I didn't want to mention I was having problems because of my NDA. I was hoping there would be another release addressing the kernel panics, but alas...) I still get panics since the 8B15 update, where the backtrace refers to the IOUSB drivers.

I'm starting to think the problem may actually be with either my Logitech or Wacom USB drivers and not in the OS per. se. I can't imagine Apple not fixing this if it was their issue. I installed the Logitech update that came out last week but it didn't stop the problems either.

I was having troubles with SMB mounts and at least they now seem to be resolved, so things got a little better for me. But I can't stay in Tiger with kernel panics every day, so I'm going to have to stay mostly in Panther until the USB vendors and Apple figure out how to resolve this issue. :(

[edit: I take that back. It worked a couple of times, but now I'm getting the SMB problems again. When I try to connect to my Linux box using the Network icon/psuedo-directory, the Linux server shows up, but when I select it I get 'the alias could not be opened because the original cannot be found." If I try using "Connect To Server..." I get "could not connect to server because the name or password is incorrect." Both methods work fine in Panther. I also have some weird "Library" generic alias icon that shows up in the Network directory that doesn't do anything...]

[aegisdesign]

Quartz Extreme was enabled by default in Panther and Jaguar too. Assuming you mean Quartz 2D Extreme, it's not on for me:

$ defaults read /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver Quartz2DExtremeEnabled
0

And that's on a high-end Powerbook (Radeon 9700 video card). Posts I've read on other forums seem to agree that it's still disabled for most if not all of us... :confused:

I was hoping they'd enable that too.

I know XBench tests are sometimes a bit vague but the graphics and interface tests appear to me to be reasonable tests. On an iMacG5 with FX5200, the overall score for Quartz graphics jumps from around 200 to 275 mostly because of line and rectangle scores but the text test is about 2/3rds down on the score without 2D enabled. The user interface test is similarly down.

I'd guess that Quartz2D text handling and scrolling isn't quite there yet even though on the whole it appears to offer quite some advantage - over a third faster overall.

I've permanently enabled it and I've not noticed any graphics problems other than the fan coming on a lot with animated gif and flash in Safari.

[rhpenguin]

my brightness controls still dont work. the only thing i want them to fix and have reported still doesnt work. get on it apple.

[aegisdesign]

Duff-Man says....the SpamCop Mail.bundle is now broken. There seems to be a pattern of mail bundles having problems in this update. Shame, as SubSume does not update/support that SpamCop bundle anymore.....oh yeah!

Er, read the release notes. They disabled mail.bundles in this release because of compatibility issues.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301584

[shambolic]

Duff-Man says....the SpamCop Mail.bundle is now broken. There seems to be a pattern of mail bundles having problems in this update. Shame, as SubSume does not update/support that SpamCop bundle anymore.....oh yeah!

My guess is that this is Apple's response to the issue that many folks had with the 10.4.0 upgrade, where Mail failed to import messages if an incompatible mail bundle was installed (the httpmail bundle for hotmail was a particular problem). So they require that bundle developers certify their apps as being compatible by labelling them with a higher version number.

Unfortunately as you say, some bundles are no longer maintained, and may have been working fine.

I only had one bundle installed - GrowlMail - and followed andysmith's suggestion (message #38 in this thread) with success:


1) Quit Mail.app
2) Browse to ~/Library/Mail/, and rename 'Bundles (disabled)' to 'Bundles'
3) Fire up Terminal, and enter: defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2
4) Start Mail.app again and it should work


I would expect that this override will work for other Mail bundles too. Setting BundleCompatibilityVersion=1 may make it even more permissive...

[edit: aegisdesign's informative link to the release notes trumps my guesswork]

[kcmac]

my brightness controls still dont work. the only thing i want them to fix and have reported still doesnt work. get on it apple.
Is that just an iBook problem? Works fine on my 12" PB and iMac G5.

[dotdotdot]

Can you delete Dashboard widgets from Widget selector now?

[Plymouthbreezer]

Everything is superfine here on my G4. :)

[aegisdesign]

There's another oddity with Quartz2D still being disabled.

The javascript test at http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html exhibits the problem.

Test 6 moves 50 small layers into position via javascript. With Quartz2D enabled it takes a whopping 48 seconds. With it disabled (the default) it takes 2.8 seconds.

I reckon it should stay disabled for now. :eek:

[~Shard~]

Sounds like a lot of people are a) still having problems with Tiger which 4.1 hasn't addressed or b) having new problems because of 4.1. As I've said before, it's things like this why I've never been in a rush to upgrade to Tiger. Maybe after 10.4.2.... ;)

[wdlove]

I'm still running 10.3.9.

My wife hasn't really had any trouble with Tiger on her PowerBook G4. She has done her Repair Permissions and install of 10.4.1. So far so good.

[rfoap]

My update is 19.4 MB insted of 37.7 MB. Is this a type-o or something??

My 12" PowerBook said 19.4MB as well, while my PowerMac said 37.7MB. I'm user this is due to what you have installed, and what you don't. If nothing else, here's your confirmation that it's fine...unless mine's messed up too, but I doubt it.

[wrldwzrd89]

No problems here. I do have the weird non-functional generic alias called Library in my Network, though.

[The_Shocker]

New update works great! but my PowerBook keeps saying, "Buy more Macs." It is really weird!

[keysersoze]

No problems here. I do have the weird non-functional generic alias called Library in my Network, though.

Yeah, what is that all about>>??

I hate it. Want it to go away.

[MontyZ]

I wonder how long before 10.4.2 hits ??

[daveL]

There's another oddity with Quartz2D still being disabled.

The javascript test at http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html exhibits the problem.

Test 6 moves 50 small layers into position via javascript. With Quartz2D enabled it takes a whopping 48 seconds. With it disabled (the default) it takes 2.8 seconds.

I reckon it should stay disabled for now. :eek:
I take it you're talking about Quartz2D Extreme? I ran the test with and without Q2DExtreme and the test you references runs under 2 seconds either way, and the total test time varies by less than a tenth of a second.

[ravenvii]

Well, updated and all seems to be fine on my end. Mine is 19.4 MB too. Noticed iTunes 4.8 finally showed up in Software Update too.

DVD Player is still 4.5 in 10.4.1... And 4.6 still hasn't shown up in Software Update. :confused:

[huckleup]

Yeah, what is that all about>>??

I hate it. Want it to go away.

If you do a listing of /Network in the terminal it shows up as a soft link:
Library -> /automount/Library

There is no source folder at /automount/Library, so it's a broken link. I tried deleting the link and it was just regenerated on the next reboot. I don't know what it's for.

[Duff-Man]

Er, read the release notes. They disabled mail.bundles in this release because of compatibility issues.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301584
Duff-Man says....ah yes....hadn't seen that yet...thanks, makes sense from their perspective although I have never had any trouble with this particular bundle...I guess they can't pick and choose. Anyway, the "fix" seems to have worked for now.....oh yeah!

[iSaint]

Software Update has quit about six attempts in a row, wonder what's up with that?

I never got Software Update to work, so I downloaded off the site. Everything's fine now!

[gandalf55]

after 10.4.1 I rebooted my g4 - and its going on 15 minutes now and its still on the initial white screen/grey Apple logo. No crossed-out logo at all... I don't know whats going on. I have restarted the machine a few times - this time I'll let it go. I hope it actually restarts as I type this on my wife's iBook.

This sucks.

[mudman]

It's too late, I just finished doing my essay for tomrrow. I hope they fixed the problem with MS Office 2004. It keeps crashing like every hour. I wouldve been having the Ellen Feiss situation if I haven't save as my essay to the second hard disk like every 10 mins. :mad:

[iSaint]

Can you delete Dashboard widgets from Widget selector now?

In Finder you can delete what you don't want from UserName>Library>Widgets

I don't know of any other way right now.

[javanate]

after 10.4.1 I rebooted my g4 - and its going on 15 minutes now and its still on the initial white screen/grey Apple logo. No crossed-out logo at all... I don't know whats going on. I have restarted the machine a few times - this time I'll let it go. I hope it actually restarts as I type this on my wife's iBook.

This sucks.
Same here, except after i restarted while it was hung it rebooted o kand says 10.4.1, so i hope nothing got messed up in that.

What happened to me was i rebooted, it stuck on the screen you described, and all the fans went full blast and it stayed there. Funny cause i have a brand new iMac so I don't have anything fancy running.

[k28]

In Finder you can delete what you don't want from UserName>Library>Widgets

I don't know of any other way right now.

hey try this: http://downtownsoftwarehouse.com/WidgetManager/ it really work!!!

[ghostee]

Installed the update via software update, no problems to report. 10.4 has been working flawlessly for me. The only thing I noticed about 10.4.1 was that iScroll now works again on my iBook!

[shemp9999]

Is this an update of an OS or an Application?

http://stuped.com/misc/img/OSorApp.png

[Applespider]

hey try this: http://downtownsoftwarehouse.com/WidgetManager/ it really work!!!

Except when it crashes your Dock & Dashboard beyond recovery which it did the lone time I tried it - I had to do a restart to get them back

[daveL]

No problems here. I do have the weird non-functional generic alias called Library in my Network, though.
Run "sudo rm /Network/Library" from Terminal. I had it to. It's a non-existent automount.

[macnews]

Tiger is a mess. For all those who are saying what are you affraid of - I'm not affraid, just PO'd that stuff DOESN'T "just work" anymore. Apple has made some mistakes in the past 10.2.6, 10.3.9 on the server side but I have not heard as many problems being reported as with Tiger. Since Tiger is supposed to be a "finished" product, this really surprises me. Why are there probelms with Adobe programs? Why are there still SMB problems? Why didn't they test MS Office (both word and entourage probems) more? The list goes on and on. I DO expect more from Apple. I haven't had any major problems with updates through 10.3.8. I have avoided 10.3.9 due to the many networking problems (which I use heavily). I had hoped Tiger would take care of this and be a nice upgrade. Sad to say, even after 10.4.1 I will wait before I upgrade.

From all that I have read it sounds like Tiger tends to run just fine on new machines. It is the upgrades on exisiting machines that tends to run in to problems. Of course, the one constant is many of the third party software (again Adobe and Office) have problems no matter how new or old. I would think this sort of testing would be more important than launching too early.

[Skull21]

Just finished updating, expose still isn't as smooth as it was in Panther. The MLB Gameday still does not work.

[edenwaith]

Um... well although I "somewhat" agree with you, does anyone remember the
10.2.6 (or was it 10.2.8? ) debacle where Apple had to pull the update for a few days... Oh, and the 10.3.0 upgrade that screwed up Firewire drives.

Although I really do trust Apple to the core, I can't blame anyone for being cautious after these 2 screwups!

I remember that problem (I think it was with 10.2.8). I had one of those PowerMacs where the kext didn't work, and so my internet died! And with Mac OS 10.4.0, my D-Link 524 wouldn't work! If I had Tiger on, it killed the internet connection for all other computers, too. I found the fix by changing the computer's name to be just two letters long, and that fixed the problem. I also had a lot of other problems with trying to get my data transfered over, but that might be more of a hardware conflict or problem. But after a week of fighting my computer, I got it up and running. Tiger is more responsive than Jaguar was, at least it seems to start faster if anything! I'm still debating on the new appearance of Mail and the existence of Dashboard. Dashboard MAYBE could be useful to me, but we'll have to see.

[gandalf55]

hmm - boot stuck at apple logo.

i booted off the 10.4 dvd, repaired permissions, made sure boot disk was correct (mentioned 10.4.1 ) - still nothing on a reboot on a G4.

Im pretty cheesed at this point - I'll let it sit there a while longer - if nothing happens, I have nothing to do except go back and install 10.4 again.

Grrrr...

[Wotcher]

I run Weather and my Dashboard has never crashed. Sure it's Weather?

The weather widget crashed every time my Powerbook came out of sleep. With the update though, it hasn't crashed yet!

[Phatpat]

The update moved the balance of my sound output all the way to the right. Moved the slider back and now I'm back to high-quality 2.1 sound!

No other problems here.

[huckleup]

Run "sudo rm /Network/Library" from Terminal. I had it to. It's a non-existent automount.

Like I mentioned earlier, I did this but it got auto re-generated the next time I rebooted. Still don't know what it is supposed to be used for. Probably some feature that got <partially> pulled at the last minute.

Though this 'nit' is mostly innocuous, to me this kind of thing represents some sloppy work by Apple on this release. It makes me wonder why they chose to rush Tiger out in May instead of waiting till June/July, still able to meet their mid-2005 pre-announcement schedule. I'm guessing they wanted to get it out ahead of WWDC so that it doesn't distract from whatever they are going to announce then. Looking at it that way gives me some hope that the WWDC announcements will be a real treat. :cool:

[j-a-x]

try searching google images for a color bar, then open it in iPhoto and do 2 or 3 successive edits. Each time just do a slight crop or a slight retouch. After 3 or 4 you'll find that blue turns to purple and other colors get messed up. I really notice this on my digital pictures and it's starting to bug me. I hope they fix it soon, becuase I can't use iPhoto anymore because of this.

It seems to be a tiger/coreimage bug.

[dannoman]

It was all good until I realized that I lost all my stickies! :eek: Doh!

[mkrishnan]

Is this an update of an OS or an Application?

Shemp, I don't understand your question or joke.... :confused:

[gandalf55]

anyone else having problems with slow/no reboot after 10.4.1 is applied?

i simply cannot raise my box after this update.

1 hour sitting on the Apple logo screen and no loading graphic yet.

[sparkleytone]

try searching google images for a color bar, then open it in iPhoto and do 2 or 3 successive edits. Each time just do a slight crop or a slight retouch. After 3 or 4 you'll find that blue turns to purple and other colors get messed up. I really notice this on my digital pictures and it's starting to bug me. I hope they fix it soon, becuase I can't use iPhoto anymore because of this.

It seems to be a tiger/coreimage bug.


Its definitely a Tiger bug, but my iBook doesn't have CoreImage and it sure does happen. Also, 10.4.1 screwed my DiskUtil hard and I couldn't mount images. Had to boot to DVD and repair permissions. Even Single-user mode didn't work for repairing. Tiger has some great stuff, but Apple is being REALLY sloppy right now. Its disheartening to say the least.

Also, where the HELL is the Safari update? All this hubbub about Safari beating the Acid2 test and we don't get that code? Its probably something like 'quality-control' thats holding this up. Wouldn't THAT be ironic?

[shemp9999]

mkrishnan

The background on the installer window should have a big grey X...they forgot to include the custom background file. i've noticed lots of little slips with tiger. for instance, every boot, it tells me my keyboard is not my "build-in" keyboard (for whatever reason, at boot, my mac thinks my Gyration mouse is a new keyboard).

sloppy.

[blufire]

Shemp, I don't understand your question or joke.... :confused:

Normally Mac OS updates shouldn't have the Application background in Installer.

[blufire]

10.4 started out pretty impressively, but it really started to crawl compared to Panther after a few days on my Power Mac G4 MDD (Dual 1 GHz). I was eagerly awaiting 10.4.1, and I must say, it's made significant speed improvements on my Power Mac. No adverse effects so far. (But the sound volume bug still exists in Apple02Audio.kext)

[alexf]

I still have yet to be convinced that Tiger is worth the upgrade, especially after hearing all of the horror stories of crashing applications. I think at least I'll wait until 10.4.3, if I upgrade at all.

I am very satisfied with 10.3.9 at the moment. Being in its 10th incarnation (versus Tiger's 2nd) means that the OS has essentially been perfected. Why would I give that up to get a buggy young OS with more flashy features?

And by the way: what is this widgets obsession anyway? Apple is acting like this is the greatest new feature of Tiger. If that's true, then thanks, but I think I'll keep my reliable Panther and my $129.

[kugino]

i lost my custom locations in the world clock widget. oh, and i lost a few bundles in mail...other than that, things are working normally...for now.

[SnarkMan]

I'd like to install the 10.4.1 upgrade but my 15" PB hasn't been rebooted in over two weeks. I have a combined fear of a bad install (like some here have reported) and an urge to see just how long I can go between restarts.

I guess I'll wait for a mandatory reboot (i.e. crash) and install 10.4.1 then.

[mileslong]

DVD Player is still 4.5 in 10.4.1... And 4.6 still hasn't shown up in Software Update.
idvd 4.6 is available today, i downloaded it earlier and everything works fine.

now to a new bug, this is in regards to transparent dock. the latest version 2.3.1 works in 10.4 but not in 10.4.1. they are working on this though so keep an eye out for the update if you guys use this application.

[reelmagik]

I've noticed a few problems with this update on my DP 2.5GHz Powermac...first off, the fans come one very loud and more often than they used to, epsecially when using Spotlight. Spotlight also hangs and gives me the spinning beachball if I try to backspace (delete) the current search quickly. I also noticed that when using the F10 Expose feature, the window/windows are now overly blurred. The HORIZONTAL RIPPLE with ATI cards has still not been fixed...that is getting annoying. Also, anyone else notice that it takes FOREVER when loggin out of one user to get back to the main log-in window? It was so fast back with 10.3.9...I don't know what they did to mess it up. Wish they would fix that also.

Good things with the update...the world clock widget seems to keep its time and show up almost immediately when activating dashboard now. It used to lag for at least 2 or 3 seconds before showing the clock hands. Dashboard and Expose do seem smoother now. I'm sure there are more positive attributes to the update, but I havn't found any more yet.

[kugino]

fast user switching has not been fixed. still stalls before switching...

[mac-er]

I'm disappointed that they didn't say anything about updating the iTunes Controller Widget. It barely works. Also don't see any mention of fixing the bug in iPhoto where pictures get "enhanced" when you click done after performing edits. Oh well, maybe in 10.4.2.

My iTunes controller works perfectly fine (before the update)

[mkrishnan]

idvd 4.6 is available today, i downloaded it earlier and everything works fine.

Is it iDVD or DVD Player that got the upgrade to 4.6? I thought it was DVD Player (which I still don't see on my list). iDVD not showing up, I could understand, since I didn't install it off the iLife 05 disc (just iPhoto and iTunes)! :o

[patseguin]

Is the build number 8B15?

[matticus008]

Is the build number 8B15?
Yes, and the second post in this thread says so.

[matticus008]

Is it iDVD or DVD Player that got the upgrade to 4.6? I thought it was DVD Player (which I still don't see on my list). iDVD not showing up, I could understand, since I didn't install it off the iLife 05 disc (just iPhoto and iTunes)! :o
DVD Player 4.6 is available from the Apple Downloads page, and it says that it's recommended for everyone on 10.4 Tiger. It doesn't seem to show up in Software Update, though. I just noticed it myself and downloaded it, but haven't installed yet.

[ericdano]

WHAT A DAY! My free Mac mini comes in the mail, I order the up-to-date program for it off the serial number, I open it up and there is already a drop in kit, and now this! I LOVE APPLE!

How'd you get a FREE Mac Mini??????

[ravenvii]

How'd you get a FREE Mac Mini??????

Probably through those things, you know, the ********* stuff.

:D :D (yes the forums *'d the word out. I'm sure you can figure it out now :D :D)

[Nermal]

What I've discovered so far:

- you still can't customise number formatting
- the tab order in TCP/IP Preferences is still wrong

[Awimoway]

Slideshow still iffy.

[swissmann]

I'v really enjoyed Tiger so far. I haven't had most of the bugs that people have been noting. When my daughter bangs on all the keys on the keyboard I do lose the dock and have to go into activity monitor and quit the dock to get it back. I tried to replicate the problems in iPhoto and even got a color bar off the web and cropped it 5 times then reverted to original to see if I couldn't see the change - there was not change for me. Fast user switching isn't so fast. Expose is choppy at times. So there are some rough edges but I try using my other computers (that aren't on Tiger yet) and they seem archaic to me without spotlight and dashboard. I think Tiger could improve on its overall flow and smoothness. It kind of pauses for a breath every now and then but all in all the benefits outweigh the problems and we are only on 10.4.1. I am running a Dual 2 GHz G5 machine so the sluggishness might not be so pronounced. Now on to 10.4.1 to see if things do improve like most people have said. Also, 99% of the time these updates help me and I have no problems. I think Apple is doing really well.

[yinyang]

now to a new bug, this is in regards to transparent dock. the latest version 2.3.1 works in 10.4 but not in 10.4.1. they are working on this though so keep an eye out for the update if you guys use this application.

think i'll wait then for the updated transparent dock before upgrading to 10.4.1 since i've just got it and am so loving it :)

anyway my 10.4 seems fine, so the need isn't there, luckily!!

[BlackLilyNinja]

Speed.. way improved.. seems more stable. Startup was so fast I missed it. Widgets.. all nice. seem smoother. Never had prob with iTunes widget but I never saw the point in it. If iTunes is running why would you need dashboard to control it? A DUMB idea. all in all ok on my 2 machines.

bad things..
I want mail.appetizer back. I loved that thing so much. I miss it soooo much.
iChat av problems. My friend's eMac 1gb can not send more than one fps to anyone from his machine using iSight or other cameras since his tiger upgrade. It worked perfectly before. He recieves full fps from other machines. My Dual G5 and eMac 700 handle iChat AV perfectly both send and recieve. this is a problem for many people in apple forums. 10.4.1 did not address this.
Weather widget.. forgot about that. does not work with some UK districts that are in fact listed by accuweather.com UK & ireland. specifically Northampton, England.

[admanimal]

Its definitely a Tiger bug, but my iBook doesn't have CoreImage and it sure does happen. Also, 10.4.1 screwed my DiskUtil hard and I couldn't mount images. Had to boot to DVD and repair permissions. Even Single-user mode didn't work for repairing. Tiger has some great stuff, but Apple is being REALLY sloppy right now. Its disheartening to say the least.

If you use Tiger, you have CoreImage. Your iBook's graphics card does not support CoreImage, so your CPU has to handle CoreImage processing instead. Certain things are disabled (dashboard ripple) since the CPU won't be as fast as a GPU with CI support and your computer will be slowed by the extra CPU processing. But image processing is most likely still done by CoreImage and processed by the CPU, so the iPhoto problem could be a CoreImage bug.

[oskar]

My 12" PowerBook said 19.4MB as well, while my PowerMac said 37.7MB. I'm user this is due to what you have installed, and what you don't. If nothing else, here's your confirmation that it's fine...unless mine's messed up too, but I doubt it.

My PowerBook 15" showed 19.4MB, too. Maybe it's the desktops that have a larger update?
Improvements I've seen:
- Expose looks/renders smoother.
- The ripple effect in dashboard doesn't stutter and renders instantly, unlike with 10.4.0 where it would take about a second.
- Activating a bunch of widgets one after another and the slowdown isn't the same with various ripples overlapping.
- Text in finder sometime looked odd, now it looks OK (I think there was something similar in the first release of Panther).
- Some apps seem to open/perform faster... could be me though.

[BlackLilyNinja]

think i'll wait then for the updated transparent dock before upgrading to 10.4.1 since i've just got it and am so loving it :)

anyway my 10.4 seems fine, so the need isn't there, luckily!!

i had just installed transparent dock and 10.4.1 broke the damn thing... thats frustrating. Why doesn't Apple just incude it in the Dock prefs? the dock background is soooo ugly.

[oskar]

Things I've noticed:
-Resolution independent users is working now
-dock shrinks now after a menu is brought up, but makes a weird jump
-spotlight is still kinda slow
-address book widget is broken?
-"I Get Movies" and "Bittorrent" are still broken.

The weird jump is because the dock zooms out from where you're clicking after bringing out the menu.
And shouldn't Bittorrent and I Get Movies :confused: have an update, and not OS X?

I don't think all the things you listed are bugs or things that could be considered an OS problem, no matter how annoying some could be. I've read too many posts with things that aren't really bugs, just people afraid to upgrade to Tiger, IMO.

[oskar]

I still have yet to be convinced that Tiger is worth the upgrade, especially after hearing all of the horror stories of crashing applications. I think at least I'll wait until 10.4.3, if I upgrade at all.

I am very satisfied with 10.3.9 at the moment. Being in its 10th incarnation (versus Tiger's 2nd) means that the OS has essentially been perfected. Why would I give that up to get a buggy young OS with more flashy features?

And by the way: what is this widgets obsession anyway? Apple is acting like this is the greatest new feature of Tiger. If that's true, then thanks, but I think I'll keep my reliable Panther and my $129.

Go to http://www.apple.com/macosx/ if that doesn't convince you, then you probably shouldn't upgrade.

[Diatribe]

Dashboard and Expose feel faster.

Mail still does not hide after startup and iChat still ignores proxy settings rendering it almost useless. There are more bugs not mentioned being coped with in the readme but I can't check those yet.
Geez, I would have rather waited 2 more weeks to get ALL the known bugs out than this ?$"§$ now where we have to wait another 2 months for the patch. Waaaay to go Apple. :mad:

[sethypoo]

So no fix for the iTunes widget, but for 4 others? Hmmmm...the iTunes widget is flakey.

Updating now. See you on the other side. :)

What other 4 widgets did they fix? I can't tell any difference.

[Zaty]

Everything fine here.

[swissmann]

I just did the update flawlessly and a lot of the hanging seems to have gone away. Fast user switching still hangs a lot. Everything good or better than before. I liked Tiger and like it better now.

[U.T.Z.]

fast user switching has not been fixed. still stalls before switching...

Have you ever tried WinSwitch (http://winswitch.wincent.com)?

No, it's not what its name might suggest... But it offers a much nicer menu for user switching and allows you to include the root user.

I have never experienced any stalling when switching users with that.

[Diatribe]

Ok, not only have they not fixed ichat's proxy support, the mail.app hiding after a restart, the graphical glitches in both Safari and iCal but modems (whoever uses them) are still not usable, though an Apple person has admitted that there is a problem... great.
Burning had severe issues, which I'll test later but my guess is this hasn't improved since it is not in the list.
This update does not necessarily suck, but it's half-assed. Apple get your act together. :mad: :(

[micvog]

Everything fine on a rev. A 17" G5 iMac 1.8GHz, but I did receive the following prompt after re-booting:

[Xtremehkr]

Something has been changing my preference settings for certain applications lately. It will ask me if I want to accept the changes without mentioning what the changes are.

I accepted the one for Safari and it added a few websites to my bar. Ones I didn't have or want. Not cool.

The update seems fine, maybe fixed things I didn't know were problems yet.

[Makosuke]

Ran the download installer on a 2X2.0 G5 (first gen), and everything is fine. The only fixes I've noticed so far is that my scroll wheel now works in the Dictionary widget (very nice) and that switching users is now back to the speedy and smooth transitions of 10.3 (for whatever reason, it took a couple of seconds to start and the transition effect occasionally jerked a bit under 10.4.0). I really haven't had any significant problems with 10.4 myself, so I wasn't looking for any big fixes.

There has been one small glitch, however: I have the ATI extra monitor goodies installed, and the Monitor app seems to crash after a user switch once in a while. That's probably an ATI issue, though. The one other oddity I've had under 10.4 is also probably not an Apple issue: when I restart (and only then) my mouse tracking is ridiculously fast until I change (and then put back) the setting in the Mouse control panel. The Logitech panel has always been a little funky though, so I blame it (doesn't happen if I don't use it, of course).

[spaceballl]

Hopefully expose won't be choppy anymore. Perfect in 10.3. Choppy in 10.4.0.
-Kevin

[adamjay]

Things I've noticed:
....
-address book widget is broken?



working fine here..

[fps]

I got my Tiger on the 29/4 (ordered online on the 12/4) but before I upgrade I need the Cisco VPN client, Gnucash and a few others to work fine so no for me no upgrade yet.

[BollywooD]

i had just installed transparent dock and 10.4.1 broke the damn thing... thats frustrating. Why doesn't Apple just incude it in the Dock prefs? the dock background is soooo ugly.

I use ClearDock, from the guys who make FruitMenu etc... it works fine under 10.4, 10.4.1 :D

Ive also noticed that the cursor no longer "jumps" when typing messages in Mail.

[mnstr_trd_sd]

Ok, not only have they not fixed ichat's proxy support, the mail.app hiding after a restart, the graphical glitches in both Safari and iCal but modems (whoever uses them) are still not usable, though an Apple person has admitted that there is a problem... great.
Burning had severe issues, which I'll test later but my guess is this hasn't improved since it is not in the list.
This update does not necessarily suck, but it's half-assed. Apple get your act together. :mad: :(

The safari bug was the exact bug i wished they could've fixed. It's not that bad as it is extremely annoying.

[VanNess]

What? After all of the public hand-wringing over the potential evil widget download "crisis" and not a soul has mentioned that Safari now issues a warning in 10.4.1 (even when the open "safe" files after downloading preference is checked) when downloading a widget?

How soon we forget lol.

[kasei]

Thank God! My system has been driving me crazy ever since I upgraded to Tiger. I conviced a friend to switch to a Mac and he went out and bought a top of the line G5 Powermac and two 20" inch displays. Luckily his system is running smoothly. Mine on the other hand has been hell for the past 2 weeks. I am looking forward to having a stable system again.

[7on]

Mail's not hiding was my biggest gripe (that and auto-connecting to wireless networks wasn't working), but 1 of 2 ain't too bad.

[adamjay]

I use ClearDock, from the guys who make FruitMenu etc... it works fine under 10.4, 10.4.1 :D


i prefered Transparent dock because it didn't need Application Enhancer (which can cause problems if you do audio work) to run.

they really should add it in the dock options, a seperate application is unnecessary.

[Dave Marsh]

The Address Book widget still seems to not be consistently enclosing the Area Code in parentheses, even when everything appears properly in the Address Book itself.

[Lacero]

There's now an estimated time to download in the Software Update if it hasn't been mentioned already. 10.4.1 is kicking. It's like getting a whole new Mac.

[gunnmjk]

Everything is great here, for this update. 15in Al PBook 1Ghz 512MB RAM Clean Install. Expose seems just fine. My scrollbars act normal. Widgets work fine, address book app and widget do not crash. My mail works fine, but then again I didn't do any importing. I use IMAP servers and gmail POP, so I didn't have to worry about it. I also don't use any plugins. But mail works.

1. Safari now ASKS if you are sure before downloading widgets (the widget "disaster" is squashed).

2. The system did take a while to boot up completely after updating. But I sat back and eventually it finished.

3. Don't go deleting system files like some people have already done, regarding the network files and folders. You may regret it later, and so far it's not causing any harm!

4. Also, I still can't search for invisible files, or files within invisible folders (usr, bin, etc, etc.) in the finder. If you know of a fix for this, please let me know.

[cwedl]

No problems here, all working well.

[broken_keyboard]

This is puny update in my opinion. Why didn't they wait until they had a respectable number of fixes? Lightweights.

[keithdunan]

Just about to down load, wonder if it will make Final Cut Express HD less prone to random shutdown?

[fatbarstard]

No problems on this side of the globe... but my download was only 19.4MB.... any ideas why it would be a lot smaller than the 37.7MB noted on the first post...

STILL get the bloody spinning beach ball of death when clicking on the bookmarks menu for the first time after opening Safari.... Come on Apple load the bookmarks into memory when the programme launches....

[frenetic]

All runs fine here, but then again, I also thought 10.4 was quite ok (some glitches and general - but relative - unstability notwithstanding).

[GeeYouEye]

No problems here... just one oddity with Setup Assistant running again. I really wish Apple would fix and enable Q2DE. Just as a quick test, I ran Xbench with and without Q2DE... the biggest change by far and away was the text, going from a score of 150 or so to over 500, and it increased every time I ran the test. NICE.

[bankshot]

I don't think this has been fixed in 8B15. I installed it last week (it was then still defined as a 'seed' and I didn't want to mention I was having problems because of my NDA. I was hoping there would be another release addressing the kernel panics, but alas...) I still get panics since the 8B15 update, where the backtrace refers to the IOUSB drivers.

Yeah, I see now that the binary within AppleUSBOHCI.kext still has a date of March 26, so that's not promising. Surely we're not the only two people having USB problems? :confused:

In my case, it's a Quicksilver 733 MHz G4 PowerMac, just Apple keyboard and simple Logitech mouse (2-button + scroll). No third party drivers of any kind. Unless something was fixed in the kernel itself relating to this, I suppose I'll get my first 10.4.1 panic sometime in the next day or two... :(

[Platform]

Good to see updates so soon.....even though hardly anybody seems to be pleased with it :confused:

Well let's see with 10.4.2 :p

[sourcemonkey]

expose is definitely faster. smooth as silk...
i've got no problems with the rapid update... it's all good.

[Gerwin]

Launchd still doesn't run the periodic maintenance script at the speciefied calendar intervals, it only runs them at boot. So it's back to good old cron jobs for me.

[Links]

Classic fails to launch, hangs during startup.
Processors just churn away.

Movies minimized to Dock get stuck there
and QuickTime has to be quit to remove it.

Otherwise, nice update.

Dual 1.8, ATI X800 XT, 2.5 GB RAM

[sebisworld]

I was really waiting for this update, but it did not fix the main problem I have with Tiger: Whenever I right-click on an item in the Finder, it crashes! I can't live with that.
Does anybody have any ides on why that could be the case? I trashed the preferences and fixed permissions... nothing helps. And that all on a clean install.

[chasingapple]

Just installed it on my G3 Clamshell iBook Graphite SE, works like a charm :)

GO APPLE!

[Tom P]

I was really waiting for this update, but it did not fix the main problem I have with Tiger: Whenever I right-click on an item in the Finder, it crashes! I can't live with that.
Does anybody have any ides on why that could be the case? I trashed the preferences and fixed permissions... nothing helps. And that all on a clean install.

Write zeros and reinstall!!

[KrysBaz]

All seems well at the moment, prolonged boot up time on restart, but OK now.
Hopefully will have sorted out the Wifi disconection issue. :cool:

[gossas]

Updated about 3 hours ago and haven't crashed yet, (a regular occurrence with 10.4.0 and Macromedia Studio MX). I expect I'll still get my USB problems, doesn't like my mouse much and hates my scanner.

iPhoto doesn't crash anymore and there's no colour cast problems. :confused:


Give it time and I'll have something that really sucks me off.

[plasticparadox]

and I'll have something that really sucks me off.

Where I come from, that means something else...

[Passante]

Something has been changing my preference settings for certain applications lately. It will ask me if I want to accept the changes without mentioning what the changes are.

I accepted the one for Safari and it added a few websites to my bar. Ones I didn't have or want. Not cool.

The update seems fine, maybe fixed things I didn't know were problems yet.

I got that too. Its keychain letting you know that the revised application (safari for example) will take over your old keychain settings.

10.4.1 Running fine (SO FAR) on a MDD DP G4

[Savage Henry]

Updated about 3 hours ago and haven't crashed yet, (a regular occurrence with 10.4.0 and Macromedia Studio MX). I expect I'll still get my USB problems, doesn't like my mouse much and hates my scanner.

iPhoto doesn't crash anymore and there's no colour cast problems. :confused:


Give it time and I'll have something that really sucks me off.
I'm going to install it the moment i get home, and if I get sucked off by anything I'll be sure to report here .... ;)

Intersting to hear about the USB probs, particularly the scanner. I'll see if mine improves as that is about the only considerable problem I've encountered with Tiger to date.

[bbyrdhouse]

I downloaded the update last night. It was only 19.1 m/b for me though.

To be honest I havn't noticed a change in anything. Everything seemed to be runnig fine before.

Oh well, at least I'm "up to date".

[Applespider]

iPhoto doesn't crash anymore and there's no colour cast problems. :confused:

Lucky you - it doesn't appear to have fixed anyone else's colour preferences. :( Which colour profile are you running on - System Preferences/Display?

[Jesus]

When I get home, I'll install this update. I hope it'll stop Disk utility and ipod updater from crashing my system. I think apple knows it rushed out a Gold Master for april 29th, and know it has had to release an update quickre than usual (i.e. less than a month). Thats just my two cents.

Jesus :eek:

[decash]

An interesting point for those yet to update:

If you have edited the World Clock widget (Library:Widgets:World Clock.wdgt:World Clock.js) to add a city which is not listed by default, you may lose this information. Point in case: I added the Canadian city Edmonton to be on the same time zone as Calgary - and upon 10.4.1 first boot it became Guatemala.

An easy fix, but back up your old World Clock.js and localizedStrings.js (in the language directory) if you've made lots of changes!

[bellis1]

I have not been able to burn DVDs under Tiger and it gives me trouble with CDs. I always get a hardware error near the end of the burn. Usually most of the files if not all of them are burned but the disc is usually unreadable. My 20" iMac is less than a year old and I did not notice it until after my Tiger install. Will give it another try when I get to work.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Er, read the release notes. They disabled mail.bundles in this release because of compatibility issues.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301584Which, although understandable, is a bit silly, as my GPGmail.mailbundle worked flawlessly with 10.4...

I only had one bundle installed - GrowlMail - and followed andysmith's suggestion (message #38 in this thread) with success]Didn't work for me, no matter if I got "defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2" or "defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 1", the mailbundle is tossed away if reinstalled, of course under value '2' the rename 'Bundles (disabled)' to 'Bundles' made Mail accept the folder but it also ignored the bundle, so no GPG for me, for now... :mad:

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Classic fails to launch, hangs during startup.
Processors just churn away.Classic started just fine for me. Have you repaired permissions?

[rhpenguin]

Is that just an iBook problem? Works fine on my 12" PB and iMac G5.

not sure.. Ive read about others that have the problem too with iBooks and Powerboooks on the Apple Support Forums. No fixes yet.

[mim]

Classic started just fine for me. Have you repaired permissions?

I had/have the same problem too, but with 10.4.0 (downloading 4.1 now). I briefly checked the Apple discussion boards - the first thread under the classic mode discussions was regarding this. Unfortunately I haven't had time to look into it yet, but he problem seems solvable.

[zac4mac]

Ran last nite, all went well on RevA G5DP2 and G3-800 iBook.
Classic starts and runs fine for me on G5, but movies minimized to dock do get stuck. Running QT7 Pro. All in all, a good update I think. Staartup time cut in half, Doom3 seems to run a bit faster too. Bumped up my settings, getting 60 down to mid 40s FPS with 1024x768, med quality, no shadows, 4xFSAA.

Z

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

An interesting point for those yet to update:

If you have edited the World Clock widget (Library:Widgets:World Clock.wdgt:World Clock.js) to add a city which is not listed by default, you may lose this information. Point in case: I added the Canadian city Edmonton to be on the same time zone as Calgary - and upon 10.4.1 first boot it became Guatemala.

An easy fix, but back up your old World Clock.js and localizedStrings.js (in the language directory) if you've made lots of changes!And I thought I had moved to Paris overnight... :p

Seriously though: Only the WorldClock.js file was reset on my machine. Both the localizedStrings.js files were unaffected (I've edited both the English and Norwegian, the two languages I chose when installing Tiger). So I "just" had to fix the WorldClock.js and Bergen showed up as a choice again...

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

not sure.. Ive read about others that have the problem too with iBooks and Powerboooks on the Apple Support Forums. No fixes yet.Brightness woks fine on my 12" iBook G4. I would start looking after bugs locally... ;)

[DWKlink]

but all seems fine on my 2.5DP

Widgets seem to update much faster. Every once and a while i can catch the clock hands jumping to their new positions... but definitely much quicker than they were before... there hasn't been a change in temperature here in new york so i can't comment on the weather widget updating yet...

one thing i did notice is that in my 2 reboots since installing 10.4.1 my 2 weather widgets that were open had moved position on the screen slightly...

[FFTT]

So far so good.

Repaired permissions before and after the update and all seems normal.
Even ClearDock is still working fine.

[yinyang]

new transparent dock is available so am updating to 10.4.1 now :) see y'all on the other side!!

[xli_ne]

I had a friend call me and told me about something wrong with centon memory and this new update. On his powerbook only 1gb of his 2bg of ram was recognized by tiger, but on mine and my girlfriend's mac worked fine. Did anyone else have this problem?

[j-a-x]

WHy do some people still have trouble seeing the iPhoto color bug? I thought this bug effected all iPhoto 5.0.2 installations in tiger 10.4 and 10.4.1. Maybe that user is running an old iPhoto.

It really frustrates me because I have to talk to apple for an hour each time i call in order to get them to acknowledge that this bug exists, and then they dont know how to fix it, or even if they are working on fixing it.

[Richter]

Here we go with the endless "10.4.1 broke my _____ !" posts.well the Software Updater keeps crashing on me ......


:rolleyes:

[shambolic]

Didn't work for me, no matter if I got "defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2" or "defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 1", the mailbundle is tossed away if reinstalled, of course under value '2' the rename 'Bundles (disabled)' to 'Bundles' made Mail accept the folder but it also ignored the bundle, so no GPG for me, for now... :mad:

I may have missed a step - the 10.4.1 upgrade disables bundles completely, in addition to changing the compatibility version, so you'll also need:

defaults write com.apple.mail EnableBundles 1

For mail bundles that come with an installer (rather than those that rely on you manually copying the bundle under ~/Library/Mail/Bundles), this step is generally part of the installation process - so changing the compatibility version and then reinstalling the bundle would have much the same effect.

[bokdol]

anyone know if the new nvidia and ati drivers helped for wow?

[Naraa Haras]

Works fine for me. So far. 12" PB Rev A.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I may have missed a step - the 10.4.1 upgrade disables bundles completely, in addition to changing the compatibility version, so you'll also need:

defaults write com.apple.mail EnableBundles 1

For mail bundles that come with an installer (rather than those that rely on you manually copying the bundle under ~/Library/Mail/Bundles), this step is generally part of the installation process - so changing the compatibility version and then reinstalling the bundle would have much the same effect.Now we're talking. That worked. Thank you! :)

The "installer" for GPGMail is just a script, and obviously didn't add that one...

[~Shard~]

Ah, the fun of early adoption... ;)

[frogmella]

Movies minimized to Dock get stuck there
and QuickTime has to be quit to remove it.


This was a problem BEFORE the update. There's a workaround, though: select the movie from the 'Window' menu of QT Player.

[Diatribe]

Ah, the fun of early adoption... ;)

Yeah, yeah, I think it's time we start to have a public beta phase before an OS launch. At least a month, because 10.4.2 (though they can get the known issues out) should've been 10.4.0
I'm not saying a system is bug free but 10.4.0 and 10.4.1 to a certain extent were very unnecessary.

[hob]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's time we start to have a public beta phase before an OS launch. At least a month, because 10.4.2 (though they can get the known issues out) should've been 10.4.0
I'm not saying a system is bug free but 10.4.0 and 10.4.1 to a certain extent were very unnecessary.
No. I don't think that's necessary at all - noone made you upgrade to 10.4... You know it's liable to be buggy! Personally I have had no problems with 10.4.0 or 10.4.1 on 3 different systems, what's the big fuss?!

[RqThrottle]

httpmail for hotmail (version 1.44) is broken now :mad:

Nuc

Sorry if this has been already answered.

Just rename the folder Bundles (disabled) to Bundles under the Library/Mail and reinstall. Works like a charm.

[Sly]

I've just noticed that repairing permissions takes less than half the time it did in previous versions of OSX.

[zen.state]

update runs great. notice no differences really but I wasn't having issues with 10.4. updates are always a good idea no matter..

[stid]

well the Software Updater keeps crashing on me ......


:rolleyes:

Apple know about that, try to follow their solution: more info here (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106695)

[Diatribe]

No. I don't think that's necessary at all - noone made you upgrade to 10.4... You know it's liable to be buggy! Personally I have had no problems with 10.4.0 or 10.4.1 on 3 different systems, what's the big fuss?!

Lol. So now should we accept bugs just because its a .0 release? Even bugs that prevent apps from working at all? You sound like a lot of people using Microsoft apps.
I for one think it is not necessary to have that many bugs in a release.
I never said I didn't know what I did and that it COULD have bugs but I just think those could have been prevented and are totally unnecessary.
And just because YOU don't have any problems with it doesn't mean nobody else has....

[abrooks]

Absolutely excellent update, was suffering jerky Exposé and unable to Burn a CD, with this update I've seen increases in speed, Exposé is beautiful like it always was and Cd burning has returned :D

Just realised adding an accent above a letter has changed since Panther, does a cool thing, give it a whirl :p

[zoozx]

Apples weakest system upgrade in a long time.... Tiger.
Bells & whistles & a not ready for prime time mess.

[MBHockey]

Absolutely excellent update, was suffering jerky Exposé and unable to Burn a CD, with this update I've seen increases in speed, Exposé is beautiful like it always was and Cd burning has returned :D

Just realised adding an accent above a letter has changed since Panther, does a cool thing, give it a whirl :p

Your choppy expose was fixed? Mine wasn't..

:(

[macmax77]

new transparent dock is available so am updating to 10.4.1 now :) see y'all on the other side!!


how do you make it transparent??? :confused:

[mrzippy]

I have reported several bugs using the Apple Bug Reporter, these are not fixed in 10.4.1

1. Launch at log-in apps do not hide when option checked - bug id #4104319
- Appears to only affect Mail and iChat

2. Title bar shows Help twice - bug id #4104322
- Appears to be caused by DivX plugin, affects Quicktime and Automator

3. Startup Disk shown twice in System Preference spotlight search results - bug id #4104328 (shown as duplicate report)

Not Tested Yet
1. Hard drive icons on desktop move randomly - bug id #4104323 (shown as duplicate report)

[kcmac]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's time we start to have a public beta phase before an OS launch. At least a month, because 10.4.2 (though they can get the known issues out) should've been 10.4.0
I'm not saying a system is bug free but 10.4.0 and 10.4.1 to a certain extent were very unnecessary.
If you don't like standing on the edge then take a step back. This is Apples fault, how?

It always amazes me how most of the bug or issue posts are angry ones when you know the consequences of being an early adopter.

If you find a bug, report it to Apple and let us know about it here so we can learn if it is common. But holy moly, why act like whining crybabies?

And I am not singling you out Diatribe. You were just a convenient quote.

[macmax77]

Quote:
Originally Posted by yinyang
new transparent dock is available so am updating to 10.4.1 now see y'all on the other side!!



how do you make it transparent???