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JasonGough
May 17, 2005, 07:06 AM
I was thinking about why Apple would boost the speeds of the G5s so near to WWDC, and i had a very optomistic idea that maybe all they have done is overclock or slightly 'pimped up' the original G5s in order to sell off the remaining units before releaseing a new generation of PowerMac at WWDC next month.

Its very optomistic but i would like to think it might happen. Good few years back they anounced the new G3s at WWDC and they were shipping the next day as far as i remember. I think the same was true with G5s. Maybe we're in for a nice supprise come early June :)

What you guys think? I know there have been no rumours of this anywhere, its just a nice little conspiracy i've come up with :)



iGary
May 17, 2005, 07:08 AM
I was thinking about why Apple would boost the speeds of the G5s so near to WWDC, and i had a very optomistic idea that maybe all they have done is overclock or slightly 'pimped up' the original G5s in order to sell off the remaining units before releaseing a new generation of PowerMac at WWDC next month.

Its very optomistic but i would like to think it might happen. Good few years back they anounced the new G3s at WWDC and they were shipping the next day as far as i remember. I think the same was true with G5s. Maybe we're in for a nice supprise come early June :)

What you guys think? I know there have been no rumours of this anywhere, its just a nice little conspiracy i've come up with :)

Nope.

Lacero
May 17, 2005, 07:10 AM
The G5 came out in 2003. The G4 came out in 1999. It took 4 years before it went from G4 to G5. We still have another 2 to 3 years before we hit G6. It might happen sooner, what with all the news of Cell processors and multi-cores.

JasonGough
May 17, 2005, 07:17 AM
ok, thats my dream over :(

oh well, i was kinda hopeing for some new technology to come out at WWDC cos i plan to buy a new G5 shortly after that. I feel abit uneasy about spening £1500 on 2 year old technology. Especialy when everyone on here slag Apple off for having great software but bad hardware.

Seems a shame they havn't realy done much with the machines in 2 years, minus a very small processor upgrade.

Do you think Apple will continue to make G5s but with faster proccessors during the next year or so, same as has been done with the G4s, which go from like 400Hz to dual 1.47 or somthing.

Anyone recon there will be any update to the G5 line at WWDC?

keysersoze
May 17, 2005, 07:25 AM
ok, thats my dream over :(

Anyone recon there will be any update to the G5 line at WWDC?

To quote iGary:

"Nope"

mad jew
May 17, 2005, 07:25 AM
Why should time-since-last-upgrade be a factor in buying a PowerMac? If it fulfils your needs, go for it now.

iQuit
May 17, 2005, 07:26 AM
Whenever this does happen it will be a G7,the company owned by GM named Pontiac have already produced a car named the Pontiac G6,google it. It would take up bandwidth if Apple had a G6 and also lower search results and cause confusion.

Veldek
May 17, 2005, 07:44 AM
Good few years back they anounced the new G3s at WWDC and they were shipping the next day as far as i remember. I think the same was true with G5s.A little OT, but the G5 PowerMacs didn't ship for several weeks (or even months) after the introduction at WWDC. This was true for most of the things introduced by Apple in the last months (or even years).

Yvan256
May 17, 2005, 08:58 AM
Whenever this does happen it will be a G7,the company owned by GM named Pontiac have already produced a car named the Pontiac G6,google it. It would take up bandwidth if Apple had a G6 and also lower search results and cause confusion.

That may be, but would you search for "G6" or "Apple G6" / "PowerMac G6"?

What happens if Pontiac wants to introduce a G7 later on? Would THEY skip it for the sake of search engine rankings?

iGav
May 17, 2005, 09:00 AM
The G5 came out in 2003. The G4 came out in 1999. It took 4 years before it went from G4 to G5.

But we did go from the G3 in 1997 to the G4 in 1999. ;) heheheh

dsharits
May 17, 2005, 09:04 AM
But we did go from the G3 in 1997 to the G4 in 1999. ;) heheheh
That was probably a little different because Steve was just getting back in control of things.

TheMasin9
May 17, 2005, 09:08 AM
The G5 came out in 2003. The G4 came out in 1999. It took 4 years before it went from G4 to G5. We still have another 2 to 3 years before we hit G6. It might happen sooner, what with all the news of Cell processors and multi-cores.

Thanks for saving me that comment, the g5 is only partway through its lifespan, and the next incarnation as we all know is in the powerbook, but to tell the date on that is uncertain.

JasonGough
May 17, 2005, 09:09 AM
But we did go from the G3 in 1997 to the G4 in 1999. ;) heheheh

yeah!

So maybe we're all in for an unexpected treat in June. I'm sure the guys at Apple knew they were taking the piss with their recent G5 upgrades. We all do. Hopefuly there will some nice treats on display next month. At least in the form of faster/better bits for the PowerMacs :)

danman
May 17, 2005, 09:31 AM
It took IBM approximately a year to develop the GPUL from the Power4 core that they had.

The Power5 was being developed at the same time, and has now been around for well over 6 months.

I would suggest, a likely debut for the G6 would be WWDC in a years time.

On the other hand, I would also say that the G5 and its evolving derivatives have plenty of life left in them yet... multiple cores, and speed boosts are still on the cards for the current generation of architecture.

Flynnstone
May 17, 2005, 09:40 AM
Maybe not WWDC, but in the future we should some interesting things :cool:
The present G5 is at 2.7GHz.
Sony announced Playstation with PowerPC Cell based design at 3.2GHz.
XBox is announced using a PowerPC based design at 3.2 GHz.
I think it is safe to assume that Macs will be running at 3.2 GHz by next year.
There is a big trend for multi processors too.

minimax
May 17, 2005, 11:28 AM
Thanks for saving me that comment, the g5 is only partway through its lifespan, and the next incarnation as we all know is in the powerbook, but to tell the date on that is uncertain.

'As we all know?' I think most of us are pretty certain there won't be a mobile G5. It's not just about advancing to a next generation processor, the G5's architecture differs very much from the G4 and with it's long pipeline it's just not build for energy efficient mobile purposes. There will certainly be something that replaces the G4, but it wont be the G5.

JRM PowerPod
May 17, 2005, 11:32 AM
Think how cool next years WWDC will be. The PS3 will have been released in May, or whenever. There will be a $400 console kicking around with CELL, Blu-Ray and some tripped out graphics card. Think of the PowerMac update.

June 6, 2006, Today Apple announced a new line of PowerMac's

Dual Dual Core 3.2GHZ G5's
XDR Ram
RSX Graphics Card
CELL Support for multimedia tasks
Blu-Ray Burner

JUST IMAGINE

Coz that's all you will be able to do, It'll never happen, but it would be one cool machine

SpaceMagic
May 17, 2005, 11:42 AM
No way Josť

James Philp
May 17, 2005, 11:45 AM
I would say that at WWDC we may see the end of the single 1.8GHz G5 PM, and apple may finally introduce a 3GHz model, so that the PM line are dual across the range and have Clocks of 2.0, 2.3, 2.7 and 3. It kinda makes sense to me.
The 1.8 at the moment sucks, check out this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=126497) to see how much of an outdated system they are.
I know another re-shuffle of the range would be somewhat unprecedented, but the clock speed family I outlined above makes sense to me :)

strider42
May 17, 2005, 11:58 AM
Maybe not WWDC, but in the future we should some interesting things :cool:
The present G5 is at 2.7GHz.
Sony announced Playstation with PowerPC Cell based design at 3.2GHz.
XBox is announced using a PowerPC based design at 3.2 GHz.
I think it is safe to assume that Macs will be running at 3.2 GHz by next year.
There is a big trend for multi processors too.

would be nice if its true. Of course, the chips used in those boxes don't have any close relation to the G5 really, so they aren't an accurate predictor.

BKKloppenborg
May 17, 2005, 12:12 PM
great! i am going to get a Powerbook and will be happy with it but then probaly will get a Mac desktop (Mabye a windows just for gaming) i can build own so will save me ALOT of money... Not sure to get PowerMac when come out faster with better graphics or just get a PC and pray to god it dosn't crash.. :p

engelhart
May 17, 2005, 01:17 PM
I think Apple might have something up its sleeve but not G6.

Reasoning behind this is as follows. There has been a clamour for a while now about PCI-Express for GFX on the logic board. It would seem to me, that if Apple was planning on having the current revision around for a reasonable amount of time, that they would have spent the time reworking the logic board for PCI-Express based graphics cards.

The fact that they havn't, suggests to me that it isn't worth the effort because this logic board is soon going to be replaced by one that supports something new (read multi-core G5's) in the pretty near future.

Am probably miles off but it is something to think about.

Simon

iGav
May 17, 2005, 01:39 PM
yeah!

So maybe we're all in for an unexpected treat in June. I'm sure the guys at Apple knew they were taking the piss with their recent G5 upgrades. We all do. Hopefuly there will some nice treats on display next month. At least in the form of faster/better bits for the PowerMacs :)

Sorry I was just playing devils advocate. :)

It's difficult to imagine that Apple would even contemplate another PowerMac update so soon after the last update, not matter how disappointing that update was. 6-9 months seems to be the update window for Apple as of late, not 2-3 months.

Same goes for the PowerBook. Sorry.

realityisterror
May 17, 2005, 01:56 PM
"Well folks, we still haven't been able to get the G5 to 3GHz, so we're introducing 3.1GHz PowerMac G6's!"

Seriously, the G5 still has a bit of life left in it. We still haven't seen it in a portable yet for God's sake. C'mon Apple!

john123
May 17, 2005, 02:26 PM
There is no reason to skip G6 as a model name. Canon's Powershot line of cameras has had G1, G2, G3, G5, G6, and G7 models, too. "G" simply stands for "generation" which is why G# is a prevalent moniker.

wdlove
May 17, 2005, 04:58 PM
Hope springs eternal. With Apple lately they have been doing things out of character. I have also been hoping that Steve will announce something new at WWDC. The only problem, if it were a G6 then I would be afraid of the Rev. A. Would rather see an upgrade to the the 970 to whatever they decide to call the chip.

wiseguy27
May 17, 2005, 08:29 PM
ok, thats my dream over :(

oh well, i was kinda hopeing for some new technology to come out at WWDC cos i plan to buy a new G5 shortly after that. I feel abit uneasy about spening £1500 on 2 year old technology. Especialy when everyone on here slag Apple off for having great software but bad hardware.

Imagining for a moment that a G6 (or dual core) does come next month, in my view, the bigger question is, "would you want to pay a huge amount and rassle with a brand new technology?" Or would you prefer to leave it to the "bleeders" to take the jabs from the new G6 technology and buy a (more stable, less problematic) Rev B later on? If you prefer Rev B, even if a G6 comes out next month, you're looking at a minimum of 7 months or more (plus shipping delays, of course)! :D

risc
May 17, 2005, 09:03 PM
Especialy when everyone on here slag Apple off for having great software but bad hardware.

WTF! The G5 is an amazing piece of kit. Have you actually used a G5?

Flynnstone
May 17, 2005, 11:42 PM
I think Apple might have something up its sleeve but not G6.

Reasoning behind this is as follows. There has been a clamour for a while now about PCI-Express for GFX on the logic board. It would seem to me, that if Apple was planning on having the current revision around for a reasonable amount of time, that they would have spent the time reworking the logic board for PCI-Express based graphics cards.

The fact that they havn't, suggests to me that it isn't worth the effort because this logic board is soon going to be replaced by one that supports something new (read multi-core G5's) in the pretty near future.

Am probably miles off but it is something to think about.

Simon

I don't think this is an issue. PCI Express/AGP is somewhat irrelevant to the processor. Its just the interface between the graphics card and the memory/host bridge. The interface between the processor and the host bridge will be the same. A multi-core 9xx (970 like) will likely have the same or similar bus to the present 970.

Flynnstone
May 17, 2005, 11:48 PM
would be nice if its true. Of course, the chips used in those boxes don't have any close relation to the G5 really, so they aren't an accurate predictor.

Steve's a hardware kind of guy. I think Power Macs are his baby so to speak. Think Steve would be happy that a low cost game console would have more compute power than a PowerMac.
The game console will have 900 series PowerPC architecture. IBM "sold" there 400 series line to AMCC. (I can't remember about the 700 series).

Flynnstone
May 18, 2005, 08:55 AM
Especialy when everyone on here slag Apple off for having great software but bad hardware.

If you can take 1100 PowerMac G5s, slap them together in a few months and make the third fastest super computer in the world ...
thats not bad hardware!

m-dogg
May 18, 2005, 10:51 AM
WTF! The G5 is an amazing piece of kit. Have you actually used a G5?

amen brother!

psychicVTEC
Oct 9, 2005, 10:38 AM
I know this is a old thread but I came across some very interesting info about the G5 and G6 processors. I dunno if I was mislead or not. But since IBM designs the processors for Apple and Motorola manufactures them, whats to say that IBM can't put the G3-G6 processors into their servers/computers? If the information is correct the G5 was originally released by IBM in May of 1998 and the G6 the following year in May of 1999. Then why was the iMac and Power Macs of the day still G3s?

And with the G6 already beginning to ship in 1999, why didn't Power Macs and/or iMacs of the day ship with those chips?

Plus why was Apple just getting to the G4 in 1999 when the G6 was out at that time? And started to ship the G5s out in 2003 when IBM was shipping them back in 1998?

Any theories to why we all seem to be ripped off? It seems to me that IBM was keeping all the goodies and letting Apple have the scraps off the table. If you get what I mean.

The G5 came out in 2003. The G4 came out in 1999. It took 4 years before it went from G4 to G5. We still have another 2 to 3 years before we hit G6. It might happen sooner, what with all the news of Cell processors and multi-cores.

Chundles
Oct 9, 2005, 10:56 AM
I know this is a old thread but I came across some very interesting info about the G5 and G6 processors. I dunno if I was mislead or not. But since IBM designs the processors for Apple and Motorola manufactures them, whats to say that IBM can't put the G3-G6 processors into their servers/computers? If the information is correct the G5 was originally released by IBM in May of 1998 and the G6 the following year in May of 1999. Then why was the iMac and Power Macs of the day still G3s?

And with the G6 already beginning to ship in 1999, why didn't Power Macs and/or iMacs of the day ship with those chips?

Plus why was Apple just getting to the G4 in 1999 when the G6 was out at that time? And started to ship the G5s out in 2003 when IBM was shipping them back in 1998?

Any theories to why we all seem to be ripped off? It seems to me that IBM was keeping all the goodies and letting Apple have the scraps off the table. If you get what I mean.

Man, talk about resurrected.

The G6 did not ship in 1999, the G5 was not out in 1998.

If Apple were to continue with PPC architecture, the G6 would probably be based on the Power5 big iron chip they are starting to roll out now - certainly not in 1999. Where on earth are you getting your info?

edit - here's the timeline:

Moto 750 (G3): 1997
Moto 74xx (G4): 1999
IBM 970 (G5): 2003