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altecXP
Nov 23, 2011, 12:41 PM
When I got my Air a few days ago it came with 10.7.2. When i closed its lid like most of you it went to sleep as it should, however when i would open it the screen would come on but I would have ~4sec delay before my log in box would show.

Today I installed the 10.7.3 combo thats available to developers, waited for Spotlight to reindex my SSD (took about 5minutes) and after letting my Air sleep for about 5-7min it now only takes 1-2 seconds before my login box is displayed.

If you are in the developer group I would love if you installed 10.7.3 on your Air and let me know if you have the same experience.



KPOM
Nov 23, 2011, 12:43 PM
That's great to hear, though I don't know if that was a specific fix as the developer release notes that were published here last week focused on iCloud matters.

altecXP
Nov 23, 2011, 12:45 PM
THe notes are:

Known Issues

- None

Focus Areas

- iCloud document storage
- AddressBook
- iCal
- Mail


I assume the fix is a side effect or just not mentioned.

TheJing
Nov 23, 2011, 12:47 PM
Nice! It certainly isn't an issue but it's always better to have it wake up faster.

altecXP
Nov 23, 2011, 02:28 PM
I just let my Air sleep for the better part of 90min while I went to the mall, got lunch and went comic shopping. I came home, opened it and right to the log in screen.

jterp7
Nov 23, 2011, 03:50 PM
When I got my Air a few days ago it came with 10.7.2. When i closed its lid like most of you it went to sleep as it should, however when i would open it the screen would come on but I would have ~4sec delay before my log in box would show.

Today I installed the 10.7.3 combo thats available to developers, waited for Spotlight to reindex my SSD (took about 5minutes) and after letting my Air sleep for about 5-7min it now only takes 1-2 seconds before my login box is displayed.

If you are in the developer group I would love if you installed 10.7.3 on your Air and let me know if you have the same experience.

maybe i'm not picky..but now that I think about it there technically is a small delay, no more than 3 or 4 seconds though.

kultschar
Nov 24, 2011, 10:51 AM
Aybody else able to confirm this??

echo.park
Nov 26, 2011, 07:08 AM
Is this true for most people?

deepakvrao
Nov 26, 2011, 07:43 AM
Hope it solves the mail issue with Gmail. Neither does it work well with Gmail, nor does it remain open for me. Just closes unexpectedly after a few minutes.

NDDL05
Nov 28, 2011, 12:30 PM
That would be great. My Air (bought in September) takes about 4 seconds to wake, then another 4 or so before the cursor will respond. Yeah I know 8 seconds isn't a long time, but I can turn on my ipad and check the weather in that amount of time :p

altecXP
Nov 28, 2011, 12:35 PM
I wonder if it is a cacheing issue. Mine has slowed down some but not as bad as it was with 10.7.2. Still an improvement.

halledise
Nov 28, 2011, 01:01 PM
try running this in Terminal - it'll wake up faster for sure

sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0

sudo rm /var/vm/sleepimage

as for cacheing, run this:

sudo chown root:admin /
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
sudo kextcache -system-caches

KnightWRX
Nov 28, 2011, 01:04 PM
try running this in Terminal - it'll wake up faster for sure

And kill stand-by battery time. :rolleyes:

echo.park
Nov 28, 2011, 01:14 PM
try running this in Terminal - it'll wake up faster for sure

sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0

sudo rm /var/vm/sleepimage

as for cacheing, run this:

sudo chown root:admin /
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
sudo kextcache -system-caches

Who wants to completely turn off hibernate mode?

iRCL
Nov 28, 2011, 02:17 PM
try running this in Terminal - it'll wake up faster for sure

sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0

sudo rm /var/vm/sleepimage

as for cacheing, run this:

sudo chown root:admin /
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
sudo kextcache -system-caches

That idea is terrible and you spelled caching wrong.

halledise
Nov 29, 2011, 01:37 PM
That idea is terrible and you spelled caching wrong.

as for 'cacheing' I used the OP's spelling ;)

the first part simply allows much faster wake up and you can set it to any number you like - 3 is the default I believe.

the second part significantly reduces startup time.

'terrible' ? - that's your opinion.

over at MacOSXHints they reckon it's pretty sweet

echo.park
Nov 29, 2011, 02:56 PM
as for 'cacheing' I used the OP's spelling ;)

the first part simply allows much faster wake up and you can set it to any number you like - 3 is the default I believe.

the second part significantly reduces startup time.

'terrible' ? - that's your opinion.

over at MacOSXHints they reckon it's pretty sweet

Hibernate mode "0" means no caching on HD at all. Mode "3" means after 60 mins. This time can be changed.

Ach111es
Nov 30, 2011, 11:12 PM
I have had poor results with the whole instant on. From deep sleep it takes up to 15 seconds for me at least. My windows computer woke up nearly as fast with a 7200 hard drive. I feel like something isn't quite right.

Perhaps is the wifi what is holding it back? When I turn that off it wakes up more quickly but still is unresponsive for a 8-10 seconds.

oneMadRssn
Dec 1, 2011, 10:35 AM
Who wants to completely turn off hibernate mode?

I completely turned off hibernate mode. I don't see why it's needed at all?

My reasoning--

Hibernate mode pros:
- Uses less battery power, compared to sleep mode.
- Alleviates a potential file corruption if you run out of battery in sleep mode.

Hibernate mode cons:
- Takes up 4GB of HD space
- Longer to wake up, compared to sleep mode.

The first pro for hibernate mode is pretty moot. I have left my MBA in sleep mode for days, and have only dropped at most 5% battery. All those cons are not worth the battery savings.

The second pro for hibernate mode is not really applicable these days. With auto-save in lion and automatic backup in MS Office (in addition to almost everything else being online) the odds of getting your work lost or corrupt due to the OS having to hard-reboot from a dead battery is nearly zero. In the one-in-a-billion chance something is messed up, there is always dropbox or timemachine restore. And the only time that might even happen is if you're down to less than 5% battery life, you just close the lid without saving, and then you go a few days without charging it. Realistically how often does that happen?

The cons are real concerns for though. Time to wake-up is something almost everyone bitches about. Sacrificing 4GB of hard drive space (or however much RAM you have) is a high price to pay when we are limited to either 128GB or 256GB total.

So... hibernate is good for those of us who wear their batteries down to the single digit percentages and don't save before closing the lid, in the middle of a desert or forrest with no nearby access to electricity. The rest of us can safely disable hibernate. <3

R.OG
Dec 15, 2011, 07:16 PM
Just want to confirm than 10.7.3 also fixed my instant on problem on my 2011 air.

TheJing
Dec 15, 2011, 07:43 PM
Just want to confirm than 10.7.3 also fixed my instant on problem on my 2011 air.

Thanks for sharing. Mine is taking longer and longer to wake up every time so I can't wait for the fix.

$MacUser$
Dec 15, 2011, 08:04 PM
I've had issues with coming awake from sleep. 10.7.2 OS. Thread link here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1291875

GekkePrutser
Dec 16, 2011, 05:06 AM
Could it be that this developer beta disabled the hibernate after 60 mins for some reason?

I know it's known to happen when running a VMWare VM - it blocks the machine from hibernating. Maybe this is a similar issue?

the-jobster
Feb 2, 2012, 01:48 PM
Does anyone know if they definitely brought back "real" instant-on with the official 10.7.3 release?

KPOM
Feb 2, 2012, 01:52 PM
Does anyone know if they definitely brought back "real" instant-on with the official 10.7.3 release?

It still has the "deep sleep" mode that kicks in after 70 minutes. Recovery from that still takes about 8 seconds. However, if the lid is closed for less than that it should wake up in about 2 seconds, may 1-2 seconds longer if you have FileVault2 enabled.

atMac
Feb 2, 2012, 01:53 PM
Mine has not. but it does seem better.

I wonder if it is more of a firmware thing as my 15in Pro does have instant on compared to my Air.

the-jobster
Feb 2, 2012, 03:18 PM
I believe most of us reported longer wake up times than 2 secs under Lion, so it looks like they addressed it in this update, even if it is not part of the list of bugfixes!

Nevermind! Just saw your post, atMac :(

sweetsound2001
Feb 2, 2012, 05:29 PM
The issue is that there is a 3-4 lag before the mouse cursor or keyboard respond to inputs (although if you type, it will suddenly load the text 4 sec. later), so in essence, no the issue is not fixed yet.

Just tested it for ***** and giggles. Put my 11" MBA to sleep and shut the lid.

Lid open = start timer.

Logon screen = 3.2 seconds
Trackpad responding to touch = 6.5 seconds
Keyboard input recognized = 7.8 seconds

I would not consider this instant-on, and besides, my Core Duo 2010 model woke-up much faster than this without any trackpad / keyboard lag.

the-jobster
Feb 2, 2012, 05:43 PM
The issue is that there is a 3-4 lag before the mouse cursor or keyboard respond to inputs (although if you type, it will suddenly load the text 4 sec. later), so in essence, no the issue is not fixed yet.

Just tested it for ***** and giggles. Put my 11" MBA to sleep and shut the lid.

Lid open = start timer.

Logon screen = 3.2 seconds
Trackpad responding to touch = 6.5 seconds
Keyboard input recognized = 7.8 seconds

I would not consider this instant-on, and besides, my Core Duo 2010 model woke-up much faster than this without any trackpad / keyboard lag.

Yup, pretty much the same results here and it was the only reason why I was waiting for 10.7.3. The Core Duo with SL indeed had the instant-on feature. However Apple is still advertising about it today :mad:

KPOM
Feb 2, 2012, 05:55 PM
Yup, pretty much the same results here and it was the only reason why I was waiting for 10.7.3. The Core Duo with SL indeed had the instant-on feature. However Apple is still advertising about it today :mad:

Do you have FileVault loaded? If so, that slows it down a bit. For me, it is still a little bit slower than the 2010 MacBook Air, but on par with a 2009 MacBook Pro (my only other comparison point as there are no other non-MacBook Air Macs in the family).

The difference between the "instant on" in the MacBook Airs and the similar feature in the other Macs (or Windows PCs, for that matter) is that the MacBook Air also has the deep sleep mode. Sure, the 2006 MacBook had an "instant on" but if you let it sleep overnight, it lost 10% of the battery.

In my experience, on a 2011 MacBook Air, if it hasn't gone into deep sleep, I can start typing in my FileVault2 login password after about 2-3 seconds. By the time I do that, the trackpad is operable. My sister also has a 2011 MacBook Air without FileVault enabled. On that one, the system wakes up in about 1-2 seconds and the trackpad is usually active within another 1-2 seconds. That's pretty "instant on" as far as I'm concerned.

the-jobster
Feb 2, 2012, 07:46 PM
Previous generation of Airs with Snow Leopard were fully active before you even finished to open the lid, which was to my understanding what was meant by "instant on", just like waking up your cell or tablet. I guess it is ok for users who haven't experienced the previous iteration of this feature, but it sucks that it is pretty much gone with Lion even thought Apple wants you to believe it isn't and continues to advertise for it. For users opening and closing the lid often, this feature was great and the 4 secs of wait can get annoying if you have been spoiled with the "real" instant-on! Hopefully will be back someday...

sweetsound2001
Feb 2, 2012, 08:00 PM
We need to make a video with SL an Lion laptops side by side, and a timer, to demonstrate this, as Apple is basically denying there is an issue.

agentphish
Feb 2, 2012, 08:29 PM
if not in deep sleep, my 13" on 10.7.3 is 1-2 seconds from lid lift to password box.

In deep sleep it's about 5-6 seconds.

KPOM
Feb 2, 2012, 08:56 PM
Previous generation of Airs with Snow Leopard were fully active before you even finished to open the lid, which was to my understanding what was meant by "instant on", just like waking up your cell or tablet. I guess it is ok for users who haven't experienced the previous iteration of this feature, but it sucks that it is pretty much gone with Lion even thought Apple wants you to believe it isn't and continues to advertise for it. For users opening and closing the lid often, this feature was great and the 4 secs of wait can get annoying if you have been spoiled with the "real" instant-on! Hopefully will be back someday...

We need to make a video with SL an Lion laptops side by side, and a timer, to demonstrate this, as Apple is basically denying there is an issue.

I've owned the Rev A, Rev B, Rev D, and now Rev E MacBook Airs, so I know what I'm talking about. The Rev E is a tad slower, but I think that some people may be having issues that others aren't (perhaps it's some bad firmware).

In my case, if I close the lid and reopen it, the login screen comes up within a second. I can start typing in my password. While there is a slight lag before the screen updates the letters, it recognizes my input. By the time I'm done with my password and press Enter, it is up and running.

From Deep Sleep, it takes about 8 seconds for the login screen to come up. On my 2010, it maybe took 4-6 seconds for the same.

If you are experiencing something different, perhaps take it in and have it checked out.

onthecouchagain
Feb 2, 2012, 09:01 PM
I've noticed at least they fixed the scrambled screen upon wake... I haven't seen it since updating to .3 (combo).