Sisters give birth at 12, 14, 16

[dobbin]

I don't know what's more sad - having a baby aged 12, or calling her "T-Jay".

I'm 29 and still don't think I'm quite ready to have children. Before I do, I want to make sure I will be able to provide everything that my children might need, financially and emotionally. I certainly don't want to be a drain on society like these three. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4572219.stm)

[Jaffa Cake]

I don't know what's more sad - having a baby aged 12, or calling her "T-Jay".[/URL] Maybe she's following the Beckham's example of naming the child where it was conceived – by the bins round the back of TJ Hughes? The 16 year old is bad, the 14 year old is worse, and the 12 year old is absolutely tragic. But their mother's reaction says it all...

"Mrs Atkins told the Sunday Mercury: "I don't care what people say about me. I blame the schools - sex education for young girls should be better."

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? I'd like to hear what the fathers have to say, too.

[topgunn]

I'm 29 and still don't think I'm quite ready to have children. Before I do, I want to make sure I will be able to provide everything that my children might need, financially and emotionally. I certainly don't want to be a drain on society like these three. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4572219.stm)
I was once told never to wait until you can afford kids to have them because you never will.

[tzibo]

Apart from the age thing, the next part that shocked me was the amount of benefit that they are able to claim. I'm sure there's people with jobs trying to raise kids on less than that... doesn't seem fair really.

[emw]

Maybe she's following the Beckham's example of naming the child where it was conceived – by the bins round the back of TJ Hughes? The 16 year old is bad, the 14 year old is worse, and the 12 year old is absolutely tragic. But their mother's reaction says it all...

"Mrs Atkins told the Sunday Mercury: "I don't care what people say about me. I blame the schools - sex education for young girls should be better."

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? I'd like to hear what the fathers have to say, too.It's amazing - if she thought the girls needed to know more (which obviously they did), then she should have taken on that responsibility. But you're right - it's so much easier to blame someone else.

As for the fathers:

Two of the girls are no longer in contact with their children's fathers.

Jemma is quoted in the Sun as saying: "I only told my boyfriend David, who was 14 at the time, but I didn't want to have an abortion.

"He was my first love but now I'm gutted because he doesn't want to have anything to do with me or T-Jay."

[wordmunger]

I love how the grandmother blames the *school's* sex-ed program. Parenting is more than sending your kids to school and hoping they learn what they need to know there. Unfortunately, these (pre)teen mothers probably aren't going to do much better as parents.

[virividox]

they shouldnt get any benefits for their stupidity

[dobbin]

I was once told never to wait until you can afford kids to have them because you never will.

That sounds like very good advice actually, most people always think they could do with more money, however much they earn.

However I didn't really mean that I want to earn more money before I have kids. What I meant was that I want to be secure in my job and know that I have a stable future before I have kids. I'm just about at the stage now where I am very happy in my job and believe that I'll be happy doing this for many more years. I hated my last job and would never have had kids when I couldn't be sure what job I'd be doing in 6 months time.

Oh, and my wife and I would also like to go to Australia again before we get tied down with kids, but thats just a selfish reason really...

By the time these girls are my age, they'll probably have grandchildren. They'll never have to worry about what job they'll be doing in 6 months time, as I doubt they'll ever work at all.

[Applespider]

While I could push the bounds of credibility to believe that the grandmother thought that the school was doing sex education when the first daughter got pregnant, it's stretching it a little far if she didn't even think about going over the birds and bees with her other two daughters; particularly since the eldest one had already had two miscarriages and an abortion before she had her baby.

The more details that come out about this, the more dysfunctional the family appears.

One of the fathers is a 38 year old man who lives with his parents and hasn't told them that he's a father because they're Asians and very traditional. He's occasionally still seeing the eldest daughter (was 16, now 18) and his child although not contributing. The middle daughter got pregnant after a one night stand since (despite both sisters being pregnant/parents), she didn't think it would happen to her.

The first daughter managed to hide her pregnancy for 7 months until her mother took her to buy a new bra.

The benefits part that bugs me is that the mother is still able to claim child benefit for the youngest two daughters plus their child benefit for their kids.

It appears the youngest two are still going to school and planning on sitting exams to get some qualifications so let's not be too fast to assume that they're going to be burdens on society forever. I'm in a generous spirited mood today... ;)

[PlaceofDis]

wow :eek:

that should be a fun house to live in :rolleyes:

[Omen88]

How the hell can you blame the school's sex-ed? They have sex at that age but don't have an idea where babies come from? Shortsighted stupidness that's what it is. When I have children later they will know that no hanky panky will be tolerated! Damn kids need to be disciplined.

Edit: Oh yeah, there should be a law against giving your children stupid names. If my teenage mom would have given me a name like that, I would sign myself up for adoption by the time I could read and write.

[scem0]

From the article:

"He was my first love but now I'm gutted because he doesn't want to have anything to do with me or T-Jay."

wow.... :rolleyes:

scem0

[Platform]

they shouldnt get any benefits for their stupidity

Agree......well anyway they have FULL support from their mother :confused: :o

[mad jew]

they shouldnt get any benefits for their stupidity


I see where you're coming from but I think I disagree. The less-fortunate should get such benefits and from reading the article, these three are definitely less fortunate than myself and I'm willing to bet most of the members here too.

[Mr. Anderson]

Well, the only good thing I see in all this is that they are sisters and they're all living together with their mom, so the infants aren't alone, and will most likely grow up as sisters more than cousins. But it is quite sad.

Morbid curiosity makes me wonder what this "family" will be like in 10-15 years from now when the infants are at the age their moms had them.....

D

[Bibulous]

If they shared a common father, that would be a story.

They all look happy in the photo :)

[tzibo]

They all look happy in the photo :)

yeah - they're all thinking what they're going to do with the money they got for appearing on TV etc </cyncism>

[Savage Henry]

If they shared a common father, that would be a story.I think that would have to be a story based in Norwich .... ;)

[Nickygoat]

What happened to the Child Support Agency? The 38 year old guy not contributing? Remember that intercourse, however consensual, is illegal if you're under 16. Why aren't the local authorities attempting to get the fathers to contribute? The easy solution is to blame the state and then expect it pick up the tab. £31k on benefits - this is tax free, nor do they pay rent or council tax. Take a look at your own take home pay and tell me this isn't immoral :mad:
Sorry had a bad day.

[Ugg]

Well, since the UK has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the EU, it's probably partly true that the schools aren't doing all that they could, but in the end it's a matter of parental involvement. Obviously grandma hasn't done a very good job in teaching her children about the consequences of unprotected sex. I wonder if the eldest daughter actually set an example for the younger ones? Have sex, get pregnant, get tons of attention and money and have someone that loves you....

Idiots.

[MongoTheGeek]

Well, since the UK has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the EU, it's probably partly true that the schools aren't doing all that they could, but in the end it's a matter of parental involvement. Obviously grandma hasn't done a very good job in teaching her children about the consequences of unprotected sex. I wonder if the eldest daughter actually set an example for the younger ones? Have sex, get pregnant, get tons of attention and money and have someone that loves you....

Idiots.

Or perhaps they don't care. Perhaps they wanted to get pregnant to show how mature they were or as a demonstration of their perfect love for whomever.

Sometimes I have to wonder just what traits humans are self selecting for evolutionarily.

[Savage Henry]

Or perhaps they don't care. Perhaps they wanted to get pregnant to show how mature they were or as a demonstration of their perfect love for whomever.I think they actually love the attention they are getting for it. It will be interesting to see how many of their close mates are in a similar situation in 9 months time.

Sometimes I have to wonder just what traits humans are self selecting for evolutionarily. If memory serves me correctly I believe it's that age-old theory "Survival of the Thickest" ... although my memory has been known to fail me.

[Jaffa Cake]

Why aren't the local authorities attempting to get the fathers to contribute?You don't make that much out of a paper round. ;)

Another way to look at this – any or all of these girls could very easily be grandmothers before they're 30...

Doesn't bear thinking about.

[MacRy]

This just highlights the need for my, some say, controversial mass sterilisation plan of council estate inhabitants.

[Xtremehkr]

I imagine that it has a lot to do with attention as well. After the first sister got pregnant, the other two followed suit pretty quickly, and had babies born within a month of each other.

The mother can blame the school all she likes, but her 12 year old was having sex. Life just got a lot worse for her though, three more fatherless lumps to take care of.

[dobbin]

. £31k on benefits - this is tax free, nor do they pay rent or council tax. Take a look at your own take home pay and tell me this isn't immoral :mad:


When you add it up like that, it is absolutely disgusting. They are getting something like the equivalent of a £50,000 gross household income just for having those children and doing no work.

Its simply not fair on people who earn less than that, pay their taxes and receive no benefits.

[MacRy]

When you add it up like that, it is absolutely disgusting. They are getting something like the equivalent of a £50,000 gross household income just for having those children and doing no work.

Its simply not fair on people who earn less than that, pay their taxes and receive no benefits.

See, you're beginning to warm to the sterilisation plan already aren't you!

[virividox]

I see where you're coming from but I think I disagree. The less-fortunate should get such benefits and from reading the article, these three are definitely less fortunate than myself and I'm willing to bet most of the members here too.

yeah but its not like they could have avoided their situation...its not the case where they are orphans or disabled or parents unable to work...they got knocked up and now tax payers have to support them for being too thick to use condoms etc...

[Mr. Anderson]

I think they actually love the attention they are getting for it. It will be interesting to see how many of their close mates are in a similar situation in 9 months time.


That's actually the scariest part of the whole thing - how many others are going to think its cool or worth while to get pregnant without really considering the responsibilities....

D

[ReanimationLP]

Look, 3 girls who dont know what condoms are!

The 14 and espically the 12 year old shouldnt have even had her legs OPEN. X.X

[ham_man]

I don't know about you fellows, but I would be pissed off if I was a British citizen and my tax dollars were paying for a person who recklessly acted and had a child. It is such a waste when these dollars could be going to help those who really need it...

[MacRy]

I don't know about you fellows, but I would be pissed off if I was a British citizen and my tax dollars were paying for a person who recklessly acted and had a child. It is such a waste when these dollars could be going to help those who really need it...

Speaking as a British citizen I can wholeheartedly say that I am thoroughly pissed off with wasters like this (a) Being supported by decent, hard working people (b) Getting media coverage for their idiocy (c) Being able to breathe the same air as I do.

All my poor wasted dollars ;) Pounds old boy....pounds.

[wrldwzrd89]

Wow. I'm simply amazed that these three all went through this and seemed to come out only somewhat worse off than before. I think all three did it because they copied each other.

[skunk]

I think that would have to be a story based in Norwich .... ;)Are we talking acronyms here?
:rolleyes:

[lem0n]

this is why you need license to breed... 12??? :eek: 12 years old are supposed to go to school, do hws, do chores, play, eat and sleep... not getting pregnant...

[sjpetry]

If they shared a common father, that would be a story.

They all look happy in the photo :)
That would be great, just lets not have it be their father. ;)

[hob]

Speaking as a British citizen I can wholeheartedly say that I am thoroughly pissed off with wasters like this (a) Being supported by decent, hard working people (b) Getting media coverage for their idiocy (c) Being able to breathe the same air as I do.

All my poor wasted dollars ;) Pounds old boy....pounds.
Whilst I think this case is particularly terrible, you've gotta think - when you have a welfare system like we do in the UK, there are going to be cases like this. True, the government may well be handing them money - but I'd rather pay a bit of tax, have the NHS, and fund people like that than actually be one of them. Their lives must be pretty much ruined now... A baby is for life!!

[wdlove]

Well, the only good thing I see in all this is that they are sisters and they're all living together with their mom, so the infants aren't alone, and will most likely grow up as sisters more than cousins. But it is quite sad.

Morbid curiosity makes me wonder what this "family" will be like in 10-15 years from now when the infants are at the age their moms had them.....

D

A very sad situation. The mother probably shouldn't have had children. They missed out on having respect and love for themselves. Sadly they will probably be in for generations of welfare recipients.

I'm pleased that they didn't choose an abortion, but adoption might have been the better option.

[Maxiseller]

The sad thing is, I live in this country.

We've all gone mad. I cannot get my breath at the fact that I pay my taxes to fund people like this, who think it's ok to breed chavs upon chavs (For want of a better word). How in the world can a 12 year old bring up a daughter? How can she educate her daughter? When I was 12 I was playing in hills with cap guns and yet this young child is opening her legs? It's so base.

The mother should actually be put away for a terrible injustice to her children, and they should all have the children fostered to real homes, and families who can give the love and attention that a child needs to thrive in this world.

I know, I know, my response isn't exactly politically correct, but political correctness is exactly why we have this problem.

I invite people, say what you think; don't let political correctness stand in the way!

[AppleMatt]

Any UK lawyers about?

It's illegal to have sex in the UK under the age of 16, giving birth is a pretty big clue that someone has had sex. So what happens? Nothing? If so, what the f**k is the point of the law.

This is a genuine question, btw.

AppleMatt

[mactastic]

Any UK lawyers about?

It's illegal to have sex in the UK under the age of 16, giving birth is a pretty big clue that someone has had sex. So what happens? Nothing? If so, what the f**k is the point of the law.

This is a genuine question, btw.

AppleMatt

Immaculate conception? Anyone got a DNA match on God?

[Applespider]

True, the government may well be handing them money - but I'd rather pay a bit of tax, have the NHS, and fund people like that than actually be one of them.

True... but it is highly narking to hear of them getting that amount of cash having contributed nothing to the country except a good moral debate when I've been paying taxes for years and still can't find a doctor's surgery with less than a week's waiting list for an appointment or an NHS dentist... :mad:

[Hemingray]

You don't make that much out of a paper round. ;)

Another way to look at this – any or all of these girls could very easily be grandmothers before they're 30...

Doesn't bear thinking about.

And if every generation after her followed suit and had a daughter at 12 years old, she could be a great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother at age 96. :eek:

[Mechcozmo]

Well, in the 1400s people were having kids at this time. Then again, they didn't live longer than 35 or so.

I guess it boils down to this: People are inherently stupid.

Or to be more like Dogbert, they are oxymorons. They are wasting our oxygen for crying out loud! How DARE they!

[jeremy.king]

There was a slight correction in the story. The mothers is actually only 28 ! :eek: :eek: :D

Just kidding.

[lem0n]

what can they possibly bring for the child when they're just kids themselves. by the time they get a bit older they'd loathe their kids because they're missing out on all the things that people their age are doing... that is if they're good enough to stay home and take care of the kids or they can just plainly neglect the kids and go out to reproduce some more...

[MacRy]

True... but it is highly narking to hear of them getting that amount of cash having contributed nothing to the country except a good moral debate when I've been paying taxes for years and still can't find a doctor's surgery with less than a week's waiting list for an appointment or an NHS dentist... :mad:

Absolutely spot on!

Plus i'm sick of hearing bleeding heart liberals banging on about how tough it is for families like this because they don't have the same opportunities as everyone else and that the state has let them down. Bollocks I say! I grew up in a really rough council estate with scum like this and had exactly the same exposure to education and the like. I know what it's like to have an abusive, alcoholic father beat the living shite out of his family for years and my family didn't roll over and play the sympathy card and expect the government to help us out. I didn't end up a crack dealing car thief like my next door neighbour (who went to the same school as me and hung around with the same group of people). These people are just lazy, good for nothing wasters and the world would be a better place without them. If evolution is about survival of the fittest then the sooner these dregs of society die out the better in my opinion because i'm sick of funding them. This family was on breakfast TV this morning and I couldn't help noticing their huge widescreen TV in the background......I don't have a huge widescreen TV in my house but I appear to have brought them one!!

</rant>

Ooh they make me cross :)

[Lau]

There was a slight correction in the story. The mothers is actually only 28 ! :eek: :eek: :D

Just kidding.

Actually, I'm sure I remember reading a new story a few years ago about how the country's youngest grandmother was 28. She had had her daughter at 14, and her daughter had just given birth at 14.

[efoto]

Apart from the age thing, the next part that shocked me was the amount of benefit that they are able to claim. I'm sure there's people with jobs trying to raise kids on less than that... doesn't seem fair really.

£600 per week, multiplied by the three tards on the couch with kids
£600*3=£1800 a freakin' week!!!
£1800*4=£7200 a month!
£7200*12=£86400 per year, awesome income. I think their mother did it just so she didn't have to work. Damn, convert that roughly to USD and that house is taking in $160,704 per year, wow, that is amazing. (convert #'s off xe.com, 1.86USD per GBP).

This is stupid, I feel sorry that people's ignorance and utter stupidity is rewarded with insane amounts of money. Stupid world.

[Lau]

£600 per week=£86400 per year, awesome income.

Actually I could be wrong, at first but I thought it was £600 each a week. The article isn't that clearly written. But on second reading, I think it's £600 between them. Which is still £30,000 a year. Which is still pretty outrageous. But slightly less bad than 90 grand a year!

[efoto]

Actually I could be wrong, at first but I thought it was £600 each a week. The article isn't that clearly written. But on second reading, I think it's £600 between them. Which is still £30,000 a year. Which is still pretty outrageous. But slightly less bad than 90 grand a year!

After thinking about it over lunch, and reading the article again I agree that perhaps its £600 for the three as they were grouping them it seems. Still, as you said, that is £2400 a month, £28800 per year, which roughly is $53600USD which is still a lot considering all they did is get knocked up at a young age. IMO, they should have to pay GB all the money for being menaces to society and more than likely raising a repeat cycle....regardless of the amount £100k or £1 per week/month/year I think its too much. Global society rewards stupidity and its just wrong. The only thing keeping everyone from being rich is morals and embarassment, without those I could be the first *you name it* and get paid a ton....but forfit my 'regular' life to have all the *glory*. You can have it, I don't want it that way, or really at all. I'm a small-time player, and I prefer it stay that way, just so long as I can afford my PM :D

[AppleMatt]

Actually I could be wrong, at first but I thought it was £600 each a week. The article isn't that clearly written. But on second reading, I think it's £600 between them. Which is still £30,000 a year. Which is still pretty outrageous. But slightly less bad than 90 grand a year!

On top of the parents existing pay


:D and any money the kids get for Christmas/paper-rounds :D

AppleMatt

[atszyman]

Actually I could be wrong, at first but I thought it was £600 each a week. The article isn't that clearly written. But on second reading, I think it's £600 between them. Which is still £30,000 a year. Which is still pretty outrageous. But slightly less bad than 90 grand a year!

Let's not forget.

£31k on benefits - this is tax free, nor do they pay rent or council tax. Take a look at your own take home pay and tell me this isn't immoral

If it's true that this is tax free you need to figure that into your yearly earnings calculation since most people quote what they earn as the pre-tax amount. If you figure the 28% tax bracket in the US that yields £30000 ~ $54864 after taxes which works out to ~$76,000 pre-tax income.


Edit: added calculations

[dobbin]

On top of the parents existing pay



I very much doubt that the parent(s?) work AppleMatt.

She (they?) probably just claim benefits too, and stay at home to look after the six children.

I'm not sure if the mother's benefits are also included in the £600. I don't care either, its still disgusting that this family gets as much money for free as my wife and I earn by both doing full time jobs.

I'M PAYING FOR THOSE OXYGEN-WASTERS AND IT P!SSESS ME OFF!

[Nickygoat]

Let's not forget.



If it's true that this is tax free you need to figure that into your yearly earnings calculation since most people quote what they earn as the pre-tax amount. If you figure the 28% tax bracket in the US that yields £30000 ~ $54864 after taxes which works out to ~$76,000 pre-tax income.


Edit: added calculations
Actually I have a tax calculator on my computer and it gives £41850 basic, as providing £31k. Add in rent, say £500 a month and council tax at £1000/ year (both out of taxed income don't forget) gives you a rough total of £50390/ year. Or $93725, using efoto's XE rates. Nice :(

[MongoTheGeek]

Actually I have a tax calculator on my computer and it gives £41850 basic, as providing £31k. Add in rent, say £500 a month and council tax at £1000/ year (both out of taxed income don't forget) gives you a rough total of £50390/ year. Or $93725, using efoto's XE rates. Nice :(

Gee. All I need to do is maintain a harem of 12 year girls and I would live like a king. Sounds like a better deal then faking disability. Where do I sign up?

[Jaffa Cake]

I'M PAYING FOR THOSE OXYGEN-WASTERS AND IT P!SSESS ME OFF!If we're going to stop them from reproducing then I suggest we cut something a little more extreme than their benefits off...

[stubeeef]

I very much doubt that the parent(s?) work AppleMatt.

She (they?) probably just claim benefits too, and stay at home to look after the six children.

I'm not sure if the mother's benefits are also included in the £600. I don't care either, its still disgusting that this family gets as much money for free as my wife and I earn by both doing full time jobs.

I'M PAYING FOR THOSE OXYGEN-WASTERS AND IT P!SSESS ME OFF!

Resisting obvious republican style comment.......

[Onizuka]

Man, the only way it could be more f***** up. (and southern) is if it were the the same kid that knocked up all three girls. LMFAO

Seriously. I know a few people who ahve been desperately trying to have children. And then I know even MORE people who have had kids, don't have stable jobs, incomes, transportation, or habits.

WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE HAVE LICENSES TO HAVE KIDS?


That's it. I'm down for steralization. C'mon. Steralize me! I don't want kids EVER. I hat ethe little things. And you won't have to orry about me on welfare! STERALIZE ME! :D

[emw]

STERALIZE ME! :D
Hmmm, where did I put that knife, anyway...?

;) :p

[MarkCollette]

That would be great, just lets not have it be their father. ;)

Gagging on my bile ...

[MarkCollette]

This is a pretty good example of bleeding heart do-gooders and the slippy slopes they create.

Someone somewhere in government decided that no child should suffer, just because their parents were dumbasses. Sounds like a nice idea, right? So they create support programs, etc. Then, other dumbasses realise that when they get knocked up young, instead of it sucking and things being miserable, that they can be well off. So the government policy actually encourages that behaviour.

So, what do we do? Make little children starve or grow up criminals, or take care of them?

I think that the solution, for now, is to reduce the support to the point that the children won't go hungry, but it won't be a walk in the park either. Then publicise, in schools, how crappy the children's lives are, so that there will exist peer pressure against getting knocked up young.

[efoto]

This is a pretty good example of bleeding heart do-gooders and the slippy slopes they create.

Someone somewhere in government decided that no child should suffer, just because their parents were dumbasses. Sounds like a nice idea, right? So they create support programs, etc. Then, other dumbasses realise that when they get knocked up young, instead of it sucking and things being miserable, that they can be well off. So the government policy actually encourages that behaviour.

So, what do we do? Make little children starve or grow up criminals, or take care of them?

I think that the solution, for now, is to reduce the support to the point that the children won't go hungry, but it won't be a walk in the park either. Then publicise, in schools, how crappy the children's lives are, so that there will exist peer pressure against getting knocked up young.

Something has to be done, its a little rediculous that these people are paid for their stupidity. It has been said enough times I know, but its really frustrating, and I'm not even in the GB but it still sucks because I know it happens daily (probably more) in the US too. Stupid people raise stupid people, who in turn raise stupid people, etc etc. If I could only get my hands on those nuclear launch codes and an escape pod :rolleyes:

Of course it would be a big escape pod, to fit in all the macrumors peeps and their families, since we represent the doctors, artists, teachers, people like me (who don't fit the category but use a Mac, save me!), etc etc. We could go and populate the moon or something, I don't care, but this is just plain stupid.

[MacRy]

.....people like me (who don't fit the category but use a Mac, save me!), etc etc.

LOL. A heartfelt plea there. Like it.

[Mechcozmo]

We could go and populate the moon or something, I don't care, but this is just plain stupid.

GREAT IDEA! We could then split into two tribes, have weird competitions, and vote another member out of the moon base every week until the only person left gets all the other people's stuff, henceforth equal to $1 million moon dollars.

We can call it, "Survival" too, make it sound good, yknow? And if we film it and edit it we could sell it to CBS and make a ton of money off of it....

[efoto]

GREAT IDEA! We could then split into two tribes, have weird competitions, and vote another member out of the moon base every week until the only person left gets all the other people's stuff, henceforth equal to $1 million moon dollars.

We can call it, "Survival" too, make it sound good, yknow? And if we film it and edit it we could sell it to CBS and make a ton of money off of it....

We are only taking intelligent life (and me and my Mac....and a really big UPS so I can use it forever) so I guess we can fit the two smart people from CBS. We have to have them figure out a way that they can extract all the money in the CBS stores so that they can afford to purchase our Moon-vivor show, since it will be outrageously expensive as it will be the only form of filmed entertainment.

And then they said....wasteland....uh hmmm.

Instead of voting people off, we should just have a random generator that selects a persons boots and during competition (who can spit the furtherest in space :rolleyes:, or better yet, the LOOOOOOOOOOONG jump (damn I'm funny today)) we could have have their boots gravity system shut off so they never stop and that effectively eliminates one from the group. Perhaps a bit far-fetched, but that is the trend of this thread afterall.

If the government and tax payers can fork over £xxx.xx a week in funding for stupidity, then I can have my Moon-vivor and sell it to CBS (to be renamed MBS for Moon Broadcasting Service....if thats what BS stands for) and I will sell it for an amazing $4 MD! :eek:

If you are not in the know, MD = Moon Dollar. The current conversion is $1MD = ~$4.6 Trillion USD, so now you know. n00b be ware, ask for this information again and I won't have it....you'll be Moon-secuted!!! (like executred...but on the moon, its not pretty).