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MacRumors
Nov 30, 2011, 03:03 PM
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Siri0us, a package for jailbroken iPhones that brings Siri-like dictation (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/27/siri0us-brings-siri-dictation-to-jailbroken-iphone-4-and-3gs-devices/) to previous generation iPhones, has been removed from the Cydia store (http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/29/siri0us-removed-from-cydia-while-developer-finds-another-voice-recognition-service/). The developer was forced to remove the package after Nuance, the company that makes the voice recognition technology in Siri0us, refused to sell a license to use its offerings in the program.

iDownloadBlog reports (http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/29/siri0us-removed-from-cydia-while-developer-finds-another-voice-recognition-service/) that Eric Day (https://twitter.com/#!/smartype), the man behind Siri0us, is looking into free alternatives to Nuance. In the meantime, there's no indication how long Siri0us will continue to work for those that already have it installed.

Article Link: Siri0us Voice Dictation Hack Removed From Cydia Over Licensing Issues (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/30/siri0us-voice-dictation-hack-removed-from-cydia-over-licensing-issues/)



*LTD*
Nov 30, 2011, 03:11 PM
IP is a reality. As if Apple was going to allow a Siri-hack, LOL.

adcx64
Nov 30, 2011, 03:11 PM
Knew it wouldn't be long until Apple or Nuance shut them down.

MCP-511
Nov 30, 2011, 03:22 PM
Siri0usly, buy a new phone.

Dhelsdon
Nov 30, 2011, 03:23 PM
I can confirm this still works, but not sure for how much longer.

EBSkater
Nov 30, 2011, 03:26 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A334)

IP is a reality. As if Apple was going to allow a Siri-hack, LOL.

Don't be ignorant. The license is through Nuance, not . Protecting licenses is important to uphold.

mkrishnan
Nov 30, 2011, 03:29 PM
Is this the first time something got pulled from Cydia because of a commercial / legal / licensing issue? It's interesting to see Cydia evolve its own processes and rules to respond to legal challenges.

Rodimus Prime
Nov 30, 2011, 03:41 PM
Is this the first time something got pulled from Cydia because of a commercial / legal / licensing issue? It's interesting to see Cydia evolve its own processes and rules to respond to legal challenges.

are you sure that it was Cydia who pulled it and not the guy who posted it.

Also it is not the first time Cydia pulled apps. I know in the past they have pulled pirated apps and malware.

mkrishnan
Nov 30, 2011, 03:47 PM
are you sure that it was Cydia who pulled it and not the guy who posted it.

Also it is not the first time Cydia pulled apps. I know in the past they have pulled pirated apps and malware.

I guess some of the articles suggest it was voluntary on the part of Day. Interesting to know pirated apps get pulled from Cydia, I didn't know that.

SurfSpirit
Nov 30, 2011, 04:08 PM
Freedom of doing whatever you want with YOUR phone, one more reason to go Android!! Makes me think about the original Apple Macintosh ad, 1984 video

CocoaPuffs
Nov 30, 2011, 04:27 PM
Freedom of doing whatever you want with YOUR phone, one more reason to go Android!! Makes me think about the original Apple Macintosh ad, 1984 video

You do understand that freedom has nothing to do with the topic of discussion?

"Free" maybe.

TXAppleUser
Nov 30, 2011, 04:50 PM
Since when has Cydia cared about licensing issues?

Swift
Nov 30, 2011, 06:11 PM
They have been at voice recognition for 20 years. Theirs works better than anyone else's that I know. It's a specialized knowledge. I say that Nuance is one of the rather small number of things in software that should be patented, because it's hard to do, and it took a lot of investment, and now they're cashing in. That's the way it should work.

Codecs are the same thing. It was really, really hard to come up with H.264. It's open, but not free. Fine with me.

Apple is obviously paying a big licensing fee. That's good.

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Since when has Cydia cared about licensing issues?

When they were threatened with being sued. Because they used Nuance.

macUser2007
Nov 30, 2011, 06:37 PM
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Don't be ignorant. The license is through Nuance, not . Protecting licenses is important to uphold.

Hm, I wouldn't be too surprised if Apple is the main reason for the refusal to grant a license.

Apple has an interest in users with legacy phones to upgrade to the 4GS, particularly since there is very little else that's noticeable that differentiates the 4GS from the previous generation iPhone.

Nuance, however, seems perfectly happy to sell its SDK to developers, as you can see here: http://dragonmobile.nuancemobiledeveloper.com/public/index.php

On the other hand, Nuance sells stuff like the Flex-T9 keyboard app for Android (http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/flex-t9-for-android/index.htm), which includes Nuance's Dragon dictation and word recognition technology, as well as the Dragon Go! app for iOS (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dragon-go/id442975871?mt=8&ls=1), and may have decided it doesn't want the competition.

But, if I had to bet, I'd bet on Apple being the culprit.

BTW, I personally have not found Nuance to be so much better than other similar offerings, and neither Flex-T9, nor Siri, are anywhere near flawless.

jazzplr
Nov 30, 2011, 07:18 PM
Since when has Cydia cared about licensing issues?

Cydia is not in the business of pirating software, it is in the business of providing non-Apple approved software. It's this kind of thinking that gives jailbreaking a bad name.

gorskiegangsta
Nov 30, 2011, 07:27 PM
Freedom of doing whatever you want with YOUR phone, one more reason to go Android!! Makes me think about the original Apple Macintosh ad, 1984 video

You mean freedom for carriers, not customers... because Verizon will happily sell you an Android phone loaded with craplets you cannot remove, HTC and Motorola will happily sell you their handsets with a skin you cannot remove... So, does the customer truly have the freedom to do "whatever [they] want" with THEIR Android phone??

APlotdevice
Nov 30, 2011, 07:46 PM
It didn't seem like that big of a deal anyway. The hack only allowed dictation, and Nuance already offers a free dictation app in the app store.

Nuance also offers the far more useful "Dragon Go!" for free.

lilcosco08
Nov 30, 2011, 08:29 PM
Host your own repo. Problem solved.

Sphynx
Nov 30, 2011, 08:42 PM
Glad it wasn't using the Siri servers (I have a 4S and would hate to see the servers bogged down by the influx of jailbroken non 4S siri users), but its a bummer to see that I won't be able to see this hack on my iPad 2.

AmpSkillz
Dec 1, 2011, 12:17 AM
It didn't seem like that big of a deal anyway. The hack only allowed dictation, and Nuance already offers a free dictation app in the app store.

Nuance also offers the far more useful "Dragon Go!" for free.

how is Dragon Go! far more useful?

APlotdevice
Dec 1, 2011, 12:34 AM
how is Dragon Go! far more useful?

Because unlike this hack it actually lets you look things up with your voice. And it even integrates with other apps. Something Siri doesn't yet do.

OUTofPRINT
Dec 1, 2011, 02:12 AM
I thought the point of cydia was so you didn't have to deal with licensing/legal issues...

Don Kosak
Dec 1, 2011, 02:25 AM
I thought the point of cydia was so you didn't have to deal with licensing/legal issues...

Well, really, the whole point of Cydia is to have a legitimate marketplace for people who want to sell or give away iPhone Apps and Extensions that Apple decided not to offer in the App Store.

So things like springboard customization, new icons, and tools like SSH have a home for tinkerers.

It's not really about piracy (even though it's sometimes portrayed that way.)

APlotdevice
Dec 1, 2011, 02:39 AM
I thought the point of cydia was so you didn't have to deal with licensing/legal issues...

No, the point is to get around the restrictions Apple has put on apps sold in the app store. This is perfectly legal in and of itself.

roadbloc
Dec 1, 2011, 02:50 AM
Bah. Disappointment prevails as I was probably going to JailBreak my iPhone 4 and grab that when I had a spare afternoon. I do hope it makes it back onto Cydia. I refuse to buy a whole new phone for a feature that will work perfectly well on my previous generation one.

RedTomato
Dec 1, 2011, 04:40 AM
Is this the first time something got pulled from Cydia because of a commercial / legal / licensing issue? It's interesting to see Cydia evolve its own processes and rules to respond to legal challenges.

Disclaimer: I haven't used Cydia for about a year. I used it extensively with my old 2G and 3G iphones.

What I saw was that Cydia (and um, the other major repo that Cydia took over, forgotten the name) was reasonably careful to not include pirated software or sexual stuff. However, there were other repos stuffed full of pirated stuff.

I didn't use the pirate repos as iTunes apps (and Cydia apps) are so ridiculously cheap and convenient, that paying is unquestionably better, especially as so much of the money goes direct to the devs. I remember when mobile software used to cost over 20 ($30) for a crappy notepad app.

SavMBP15
Dec 1, 2011, 06:32 AM
Is this the first time something got pulled from Cydia because of a commercial / legal / licensing issue? It's interesting to see Cydia evolve its own processes and rules to respond to legal challenges.

I don't think you have your facts straight. Cydia has never been doing something illegal. It is legal to jailbreak your iphone and install third party software. It might void your warranty with Apple or violate an EULA, but as far as the law in the United States, it is legal to do so. Cydia does not allow pirated software. Never has, never will. So with the removal of this software is in keeping in line with their policies from the beginning.

The fact that there are software repositories out there that do host pirated software is not Cydia's doing.

This was affirmed on July 26, 2010. See this link http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6513

Note that before that jailbreaking was neither legal or illegal.

mkrishnan
Dec 1, 2011, 07:25 AM
I don't think you have your facts straight.

I'm aware that jailbreaking is legal (and have asserted the same here many, many times). The legal challenge is to Siri0us -- not to jailbreaking.

I also did not know that Cydia has never accepted illegal software, but I am fairly certain at least some has been offered through Cydia in the past (albeit before they functioned as an "app store" where one could purchase things). I think it's a good thing if Cydia and the jailbreak community have an infrastructure to respond to legal challenges, because this increases its legitimacy and in turn its staying power. They have to balance what they view as an appropriate legal challenge, but I think if they provide a reasonably unified front in this regard, it's good for the whole jailbreak community.

the8thark
Dec 1, 2011, 08:02 AM
Freedom of doing whatever you want with YOUR phone, one more reason to go Android!! Makes me think about the original Apple Macintosh ad, 1984 video

Just don't expect to be paid for it. Freedom of choice with android also equals freedom of choice of no one wanting to pay for android programs.

kingtj
Dec 1, 2011, 09:32 AM
As someone stuck using Android because it's a work issued phone ... I can assure you Android phones offer no real "freedom" to do more than you can do with a given iPhone.

That's the big fallacy they want you to believe. "Hey, it runs Linux and Linux means FREEDOM!"

Sorry, but like all cellphones, they're forced to work within the constraints of what the commercial carriers allow, for starters. (See how "free" you are to tether your phone without paying for a tethering plan and use it extensively to give a net connection to the other computers in your house. Oops ... what happened to my service?)

And sure, you might be free to use any of a number of custom firmware packages on Android, but my experience trying it so far is that the best of them feel like you're a beta tester. Expect everything from 4G that only works intermittently to the phone spontaneously rebooting throughout the day, to serious battery life issues. The open source stuff developed by a few people reverse engineering things just isn't anywhere near as solid or reliable as what the manufacturer INTENDS for you to use on the product.


Freedom of doing whatever you want with YOUR phone, one more reason to go Android!! Makes me think about the original Apple Macintosh ad, 1984 video

Digitalclips
Dec 1, 2011, 10:47 AM
Good.

polak9pete
Dec 1, 2011, 11:12 AM
still works perfect on my iphone

dBeats
Dec 2, 2011, 11:25 AM
Cydia is not in the business of pirating software, it is in the business of providing non-Apple approved software. It's this kind of thinking that gives jailbreaking a bad name.


Please. Cydia should get over itself. It's a pirate app store in itself. The concept of pirated but safe has failed so many times. Play with the pirates, expect that you can get the sword. There's no safe pirate ship.

bilibug
Dec 2, 2011, 02:18 PM
Please. Cydia should get over itself. It's a pirate app store in itself. ...

Your are clearly misinformed. Lockinfo, for example, is one of the best apps ever created, and has nothing to do with pirated software. For me, some of the utilities available on Cydia are critical in my efficient use of an IOS device. Apple has "borrowed" from many of them (notification center... cough, cough....), and yet fails to deliver something feature rich enough to make the original Cydia apps obsolete.

Kaibelf
Dec 2, 2011, 03:01 PM
Bah. Disappointment prevails as I was probably going to JailBreak my iPhone 4 and grab that when I had a spare afternoon. I do hope it makes it back onto Cydia. I refuse to buy a whole new phone for a feature that will work perfectly well on my previous generation one.

Thanks for mooching. Steal cable too?

johnhw
Dec 2, 2011, 05:49 PM
Oh well. It was fun when it lasted.

lilcosco08
Dec 2, 2011, 09:31 PM
Thanks for mooching. Steal cable too?

Mooching off of what? A feature that Apple specifically omitted from older devices(which are obviously capable to run Siri) in order to make the 4S look like more of an upgrade?

Lrn2logic

APlotdevice
Dec 2, 2011, 09:39 PM
Bah. Disappointment prevails as I was probably going to JailBreak my iPhone 4 and grab that when I had a spare afternoon. I do hope it makes it back onto Cydia. I refuse to buy a whole new phone for a feature that will work perfectly well on my previous generation one.

Don't be that disappointed. This hack didn't really give older devices Siri. It's just Nuance dictation. No AI for looking things up or setting reminders, etc.