WWDC

[themacman]

With WWDC drawing closer, how come there have been no WWDC rumors at all? not even anything crazy as last years Powerbook G5 2.2 Ghz rumor. Is apple planning somehting so huge no one knows anything about it

[G-Funk]

With WWDC drawing closer, how come there have been no WWDC rumors at all? not even anything crazy as last years Powerbook G5 2.2 Ghz rumor. Is apple planning somehting so huge no one knows anything about it

You got a point there.. I agree.. probably they have something that is soo big. and they are keeping it Hush Hush
;)

[buryyourbrideau]

i dont think we are going to see anything at this wwdc. i think we have seen just too many updates as of late.

dont quote me on this. i hope i am wrong however :D

[verozov]

hopefully some new ibooks soon...

[berkleeboy210]

and iPod Videos :)

[lazyboy922]

Dumb question... When is it?

[buryyourbrideau]

Dumb question... When is it?

June 6-10

[themacman]

im really thinking a powerbook announcemtn, shipping in september to be debuted and showed off at the september keynote (cant remember name)

[buryyourbrideau]

im really thinking a powerbook announcemtn, shipping in september to be debuted and showed off at the september keynote (cant remember name)

i believe you are referring to Macworld

i dont think we will be seeing any PB updates, the speeds just got bumped and i think a G5 is most likely out of the ?

[millhouse]

frankly as far as WWDC goes i don't think they can spend an hour and a half on tiger, hell they shouldn't talk anything other than its adoption, we've seen three keynotes on tiger already, we got it, we know the new stuff, there's no need unless they show developer examples or something, we know what apple can do.
as with the recent powermac update, only 200mhz? seems kind of fishy and makes me wonder if something better will be announced, a more high end version of the powermac that will ship in the fall or later summer.

just my two cents.

[puckhead193]

i hope to see a new ipod with color screen and bluetooth syncing capabilities.

[cooknwitha]

What's the history of WWDC and updates? Are there normally updates at these events or can it be a hit and miss?

[millhouse]

while iPod with bluetooth seems good lets remember bluetooth one goes at 1.5mbps and bluetooth 2 at only 2mbps syncing an iPod with that sounds nice but would be so slow, a good use though would be put bluetooth in both the iPod and Airport express and use the iPod's bluetooth to transmit songs over to it and control it.

[metsfan489]

What's the history of WWDC and updates? Are there normally updates at these events or can it be a hit and miss?

I can think of powerbook and powermacs upgrades/total revisions off the top of my head. This isn't a consumer conference so all their "top of the line"/"prosumer" stuff gets upgraded at WWDC.

[millhouse]

though powerbooks just had an "update" if it can be called that, same with powermacs, i really hope they have some tricks up their sleeves otherwise steave is gonna be up there for an hour with nothing to do except maybe reenact iPod ads.

[Panoctopi]

Kinda makes me wonder if 1) Apple's threats have gotten to the rumor sites; and/or 2) Apple has gotten better at sealing their internal leaks. I'd guess a pb updated followed by ibook updated within 1-2 weeks afterwards. This way the whole line is updated and tiger "compatible", and everything is done in its right place.

[cooknwitha]

Kinda makes me wonder if 1) Apple's threats have gotten to the rumor sites; and/or 2) Apple has gotten better at sealing their internal leaks. I'd guess a pb updated followed by ibook updated within 1-2 weeks afterwards. This way the whole line is updated and tiger "compatible", and everything is done in its right place.

I agree. It's not like Powerbooks were only updated yesterday. Plus that would stop the arguments of iBook being too close to the Powerbook.

[yg17]

Dual core 4GHz G5 Powerbooks that come from the factory stock with 8 gigs of RAM and dual layer 100GB blu-ray drives, all of it available on the 12" PB too.











There, someone had to say it

[timmyb]

IMO, the problems with laptop batteries are the reason for the delay in iBook updates. There have been rumours of Apple switching battery suppliers (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1093) so maybe we will see an announcement of that along with new iBooks at WWDC. Here's hoping :)

[Kirk]

i believe you are referring to Macworld



I believe he is referring to Apple Expo in Paris.

[wdlove]

The law suit that Apple brought against Think Secret has put a damper on the release of any leaks. Apple didn't like that Think Secret released details of the Mac mini prior to MWSF last January. I'm also hoping that Steve will announce some new items.

[Lacero]

I'm starting to think it's not about trade secrets but more about stealing Job's thunder. That would piss me off. Even with leaked details coming a week ahead of the official announcement, that doesn't give competitors much time to develop a competing product.

[topgunn]

For what its worth, Amazon has a rebate incentive on all Apple computers that ends on June 7th.

[baummer]

I doubt we will see any updates to the mainstream consumer market (e.g. iPods, iLife, etc.). I'd expect, if anything, updates (probably marginal at best) to the Powermac, or perhaps announcements about new software or a sort of forecast into what's ahead. But, it's coming up soon enough, and we shall see what Apple has up their sleeve.

[Panoctopi]

For what its worth, Amazon has a rebate incentive on all Apple computers that ends on June 7th.

That's good to know, thanks. For someone desperately awaiting a ibook revision i'll take that as an indicator of new things to come.

[vouder17]

Yeah i was thinking the same thing... it is mighty strange that it has been so quite the past few weeks...as in we have heard nothing... I really hope that this WWDC isnt going to be as dry as the new PowerMac Specs. :rolleyes:

[DPazdanISU]

k here r what I believe to be the most probable products to come out of WWDC:
Higher Mem iPod Shuffles
Color iPod Screens accross the line
High end iPods to allow video playback of music vids

Powerbook upgrade, how much i dont know
ibook upgrade-which is badly needed

PowerMac- Same line but new higher end dual, dual-core processors
iMac-stay same
mac mini-upgraded video, 7200rpm HDs

New PDA? i think so, apple is popular with portables icluding laptops and ipods, and so they will likely come back to the PDA market with great success

[SaleenS351]

An apple gaming system, I wish :rolleyes:

[blitzkrieg79]

My guess is that we will see notebook updates as well as a new high end macs (Xstations as some call it)... Anyway I wouldnt be surprised at all if Apple introduced a new line of portables and/or workstations... Powermac name is almost 10 years old...
...and we will probably see some iPod upgrades

[themacman]

I agree. It's not like Powerbooks were only updated yesterday. Plus that would stop the arguments of iBook being too close to the Powerbook.
bye yesterday u mean about 100 days ago

[Abstract]

They'll introduce a new iBook form factor. :)

They won't do updates. Updates are a random Tuesday sort of thing. An update is not newsworthy. An iBook updated look is newsworthy. :)

I think they'll make the iBook widescreen. They'll also make the 12" Powerbook widescreen as well, but maybe a bit later, possibly in Paris in September when they introduce a new Powerbook with new processors and everything! :)

[NSiebenmor]

I don't know but apple better get their shi* together with their future dual core processor considering Dell now has Dual Core Processors on the midrange desktops. And they released them without a big show. Why does Apple always have to wait to release a product at some big expo?

[Lacero]

With WWDC only about a week away, any predictions as to what Steve will unveil?

My prediction: A top end PowerMac G5 running dual-core @ 2.5Ghz dual processors.

Also, new dual-core G4 PowerBooks shipping in the Fall.

How do I guess this will happen? Because Apple's home page has not changed in over a month since Tiger's debut, so you know it'll change soon. And they are saving the change for something BIG. Expect dual-core announcements within 10 days! I'm so excited. :D

[Fredstar]

Something is gonna be announced, something quite big. But where are any likely rumours? Unless Steve just wants to talk about the success of Tiger, update the retail side....
I think maybe:

1) Some kind of Airport Express two, perhaps a wireless 802.11g kinda tablet/remote (bonjour ready) so you can change playlists/control iTunes without having to go upstairs

2)An Update to various other accessories, maybe a scroll wheel mouse....

3)Mac front i doubt much, i would love to think a updated dual-core G4 Powerbook (Why the hell else would Freescale be developing them if not for Apple??!) because i will be buying one end of September.

Apart from that i don't think anything else, i don't think they will announce new iBooks till a month or so after WWDC in a quiet speed bump (or even after the Powerbook are updated), besides the iBooks won't get anything more than perhaps a 64mb gfx, 512 ram and maybe even 1.5 ghz G4's.

[Mord]

With WWDC only about a week away, any predictions as to what Steve will unveil?

My prediction: A top end PowerMac G5 running dual-core @ 2.5Ghz dual processors.

Also, new dual-core G4 PowerBooks shipping in the Fall.

How do I guess this will happen? Because Apple's home page has not changed in over a month since Tiger's debut, so you know it'll change soon. And they are saving the change for something BIG. Expect dual-core announcements within 10 days! I'm so excited. :D

err, you know the powermacs were just updated?

as i have said many times before dual core g4 powerbooks are not going to happen, the G5 is the future and apple is not going to put the R&D into the redesign of the powerbook that a dual core g4 would require.

lancro have you ever though about posting half as much and thinking about what you post twice as much?

[chameeeleon]

I'd love an Airport update with video streaming and the kind of TV interface Apple would nail. Or just a flat out set-top box that would play nice with Quicktime. Most of the other streamers available (D-Link, etc) are said to be either unreliable and poor quality, or incompatible with Macs.

[Lacero]

err, you know the powermacs were just updated?So? They could add a top end model to the existing line-up. Apple sorta did that with the Rev. A PowerMac G5 1.8Ghz. They updated the single PM 1.8 to dual 1.8s within a few months of introduction.

[Lacero]

as i have said many times before dual core g4 powerbooks are not going to happen, the G5 is the future and apple is not going to put the R&D into the redesign of the powerbook that a dual core g4 would require.The problem with adding a G5 is that the PowerBooks cannot accomodate more than 4GB of RAM. So having a 64-bit G5 is totally useless. Adding a dual-core G4 only needs a modest change in mobo design, something that would need to be completely overhauled for a G5. The G5 is the future, but the power and heat requirements make it very difficult. I see the dual-core G4 more as the next logical step.

[Mord]

The problem with adding a G5 is that the PowerBooks cannot accomodate more than 4GB of RAM. So having a 64-bit G5 is totally useless. Adding a dual-core G4 only needs a modest change in mobo design, something that would need to be completely overhauled for a G5. The G5 is the future, but the power and heat requirements make it very difficult. I see the dual-core G4 more as the next logical step.

addinga dual core g4 requires a new from scratch logic board, they are not drop in compatible with the 74xx, 74xx are about 360 pin and the 8416 is like 900 pin and has a completely different FSB (rapid IO) and PCI express, how would it look if the powerbooks had pci express before the powermacs did?

the 970MP will have pci express and a few other improvement they just updated the powermacs with the same logic board design, when teh 970MP comes the logic board will be revised with PCI-e and hopefully more space for HD's.

[gate]

My prediction: A top end PowerMac G5 running dual-core @ 2.5Ghz dual processors.:D

Exactly. With 1 GIG of DDR 2 RAM. Video card PCI-Xpress.

And I'm gonna buy it.

[MongoTheGeek]

My guess is...
G5 Desktops at 3 Ghz
Xservers at 2.8 Ghz
1.5 Ghz G5 Powerbooks Dual core shipping in August.
Dual Core DP Desktops and Xserves coming in October.
Nothing shipping with less than half a gig.

[Mord]

there will be no powermac updates, jesus, 2.5GHz xserves are likely otherwise i dont think much will be announced.

[Mr Maui]

The problem with adding a G5 is that the PowerBooks cannot accomodate more than 4GB of RAM. So having a 64-bit G5 is totally useless. Adding a dual-core G4 only needs a modest change in mobo design, something that would need to be completely overhauled for a G5. The G5 is the future, but the power and heat requirements make it very difficult. I see the dual-core G4 more as the next logical step.

Hmmm. Does ANYONE(?) run a G5 with less than 4 GB of RAM? Oh wait ... um ... that's right ... EVERY G5 Mac in the lineup is configured with less than 4 GB ... err, 2 GB ... err, 1 GB of RAM. I guess that every G5 in Apple's lineup is TOTALLY USELESS then. :eek: Sheesh! Does the fact that a Powerbook only accomodates 4 GB of RAM (in the present, non-redesigned state) mean that the computer can't utilize the chip? :confused: 4 GB of RAM is not required for a G5 chip to function. If it was, I would think that every G5 shipped would come with 4 GB of RAM as a default configuration. No?!?!

Additionally, with the amount of R&D money that Apple spends, redesigning the Powerbook to support a G5 is something that has been in the works for years now. It's like with automobiles ... they are designing the future cars years before they are ever manufactured for shipment. It's not like they release a few generations of a computer and chip, and then say ... "hey ... let's NOW start redesigning computers to support the new and/or present top generation chips" and start thinking about the future. The design of new computers (desktops and laptops) coincides with the development of new chips. Many designs are tried, created, tested, and many are scrapped and/or redesigned before we as consumers ever see something in the stores.

Sometimes, I wonder where people come up with these comments! :rolleyes:

[Lacero]

This thread regarding a confirmation from Ars Technica looks legit.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1420183

[lopresmb]

with a 13" widescreen, high resolution display, no less, hahaha...


Dual core 4GHz G5 Powerbooks that come from the factory stock with 8 gigs of RAM and dual layer 100GB blu-ray drives, all of it available on the 12" PB too.











There, someone had to say it

[gamestriker]

k here r what I believe to be the most probable products to come out of WWDC:
Higher Mem iPod Shuffles
Color iPod Screens accross the line
High end iPods to allow video playback of music vids

Powerbook upgrade, how much i dont know
ibook upgrade-which is badly needed

PowerMac- Same line but new higher end dual, dual-core processors
iMac-stay same
mac mini-upgraded video, 7200rpm HDs

New PDA? i think so, apple is popular with portables icluding laptops and ipods, and so they will likely come back to the PDA market with great success

Those are some good predictions, but allow me to elaborate on those with more detail.

Updates that would happen AT WWDC:

- New High End PowerMac - 3.0GHz
- New High End PowerBook - 1.8-2.0 17" PB
- Dropping of the "photo" brand and having the normal iPods with color screens, with possible video features. No higher capacity drives.


Updates that would happen DURING WWDC (as in between the 6-10, but won't be formerly announced at WWDC):

- Higher capacity shuffles - now 1GB for $99 and a 2GB for $149, with possibly higher battery life (15 hrs) and the rumored mini LCD screen (not likely on the last one).
- Speedbump iBook G4 update - now with a 32MB nVidia GeForce FX Go5200, 512MB RAM standard, and running at 1.33GHz (12") and 1.42GHz (14").


As far as a Mac mini update (being Apple's key hardware for attracting more Windows users to Mac), Apple would likely make it a big deal (aka will be announced at Macworld Sept); I could see it to have a 1.42GHz G4 across the board, a 32MB (or 64MB) nVidia GeForce FX Go5200, a 5400 RPM HD 40GB and 80GB, 512MB RAM standard (max 1GB), and maybe even that built-in iPod dock? (not likely that last one)

And Apple looks like its headed more towards the tablet market, than the PDA market. A tablet would likely be announced at Macworld Sept.

[maxvamp]

-New PowerMac with Dual Opteron
-New PowerBook Carbon Composite with AMD64 dual core
-Tiger IA-64
-Production Suite IA-64
-Radeon 9000 for all above mentioned machines.

-Mac Mini G5 with hotplate on top.

Max. :D :eek: :D

[Lurch_Mojoff]

I've speculated on this before, but I'll repeat it here, 'cause I'm surprised that noone else notices it. On Apple's website, in the hardware pages, there are only 3 product pages (or mini-sites, or whatever you call them) that are not updated after the release of Tiger - Powerbook, iBook, and Mac mini. Now, I know they all ship with Tiger and everithing, but their pages still say Panther (see under software "sub-page"). Mind you, I'm not talking about the store.

All this makes me suspicious of eventual updates to these products, which are the reason for the over a month delay of putting up new "mini-sites" that say Tiger.

Or I may be a loony conspiracy theorist! :confused: :p

[joshua_msu]

We need iTunes 5.0. Its starting to show its age.

[treysmay]

Most likely
-dropping the single 1.8 G5 and lowering the prices so the dual 2.0, which will match the old single 1.8. The PM lineup of 4 is too much. Not simple enough for apple.
This theory is simple and plausible.
But Steve could just drop a bomb and introduce three dual core G5's, with 16GB ram support with the same amount of slots just having the slots handle 2GB’s each and 512MB of Vram. :cool:

-lowering the price of the Mac mini line and adding a "good, better best" sequence
Best will have a 64mb video card, stock super drive and being slightly larger for 2 ram slots. :eek:

-upgraded iBooks, same video card as low end PB’s, better resolution.

-Airport express with 2 way communication, so you can plug in--iPod dock--external HD--or maybe the addition of fire wire. :eek:

:D

[runninmac]

My guess is...
...
Nothing shipping with less than half a gig.

I think your dead on with that one. If there is no/ little product updates he could go on for a while about how it will be able to utilize it.

Also i think we will see the new iPods with color and i hope (dont think it will happen) they have bluetooth.

They will probobly update the iBooks and update the mac minis graphics card.

I think this is gonna be a very good WWDC (i have no idea why i think this but i do) this year im excited.

[themacman]

i guess we were all wrong. intel here we come.