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MacRumors
Dec 14, 2011, 12:47 PM
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TeleNav has launched (http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/telenav-launches-browser-based-turn-by-turn-gps-navigation-using/) a browser-based turn-by-turn navigation service for mobile phones written in HTML5. The service will be free for consumers and developers of mobile websites and apps will be able to integrate turn-by-turn directions into their products.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/12/telenav.jpg

Similar to TeleNav's award-winning GPS navigation application (http://appshopper.com/navigation/navigation-by-telenav-telenav-gps-plus), the HTML5 navigation service will include full-color moving maps, audio directions, and automatic rerouting if the driver misses a turn. TeleNav's HTML5 navigation service will be free for both developers and consumers and will support all major mobile platforms.

"This is an enormous amount of added value for any mobile, location-based website or app focused on travel, shopping, local search, deals and more," said Sal Dhanani, co-founder and vice president of products for TeleNav. "With one line of code, you can give your customers one-click access to premium, voice-guided turn-by-turn directions to any location, including hotels, restaurants, merchants or deal locations. Customers never need to leave your app."TeleNav plans (http://www.telenav.com/about/pr/pr-20111214.html) to launch the service in early 2012, but is accepting applications from interested developers at telenav.com/developer/HTML5 (http://www.telenav.com/developer/HTML5).

Article Link: TeleNav Introduces Free HTML5 Browser-Based Navigation Service (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/14/telenav-introduces-free-html5-browser-based-navigation-service/)



davie18
Dec 14, 2011, 12:53 PM
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I already knew that it was possibly for it to do so, but I would still like to know how it possible that HTML5 can locate you.

Amadeo
Dec 14, 2011, 12:54 PM
Well hell. I'm impressed.

Böhme417
Dec 14, 2011, 01:02 PM
It should probably read:
"has launched...for developers"
"plans to launch the service in early 2012 for everyone else"

kainjow
Dec 14, 2011, 01:02 PM
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I already knew that it was possibly for it to do so, but I would still like to know how it possible that HTML5 can locate you.

Spec:
http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html

Demo:
http://merged.ca/iphone/html5-geolocation

velocityg4
Dec 14, 2011, 01:04 PM
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Perhaps this will encourage Tomtom to drop their app fee. Although I would still prefery regular GPS. Rather than having a call screw up the directions. Not to mention eat up my data.

I wonder does the Tomtom app actually store the full map locally? That could make it more useful than this.

wwooden
Dec 14, 2011, 01:19 PM
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Perhaps this will encourage Tomtom to drop their app fee. Although I would still prefery regular GPS. Rather than having a call screw up the directions. Not to mention eat up my data.

I wonder does the Tomtom app actually store the full map locally? That could make it more useful than this.

Yes, the TomTom app stores all the maps on the phone, the main reason why the App is 1.7gigs. I bought the TomTom for that reason; if I'm traveling, I'm more likely to have GPS signal than data.

eNcrypTioN
Dec 14, 2011, 01:20 PM
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I'll stick with the garmin app. I like have maps stored locally on my device.

Anonymous Freak
Dec 14, 2011, 01:55 PM
Spec:
http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html

Demo:
http://merged.ca/iphone/html5-geolocation

Heck, in Google Maps, just click the "dot" button immediately above the zoom bar.

cvaldes
Dec 14, 2011, 01:56 PM
Both CoPilot (a paid app) and NavFree (a freebie) also store maps locally.

CoPilot Live Premium HD for the USA is something like 1.5GB.

Navfree Live USA is 1.9GB, but I will note that there are certain individual state apps, so you don't have to download the entire country. For example, Navfree Live California is just 235MB, a more manageable download. One could add additional states when traveling (assuming Navfree offers them).

Kid A
Dec 14, 2011, 01:57 PM
I use Navigon, and fortunately, during the latest drastic update, they made it so you could manage the maps on your device, only storing the maps for the states that you need, and downloading or deleting any maps as needed or not-needed. Much better than the old app that hogged a few GB on my iPhone.

cheeseburger2
Dec 14, 2011, 02:07 PM
Potentially interesting, but will have to see what the API looks like.

bmacir
Dec 14, 2011, 02:37 PM
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I'll stick with the garmin app. I like have maps stored locally on my device.

But garmin does not store the maps locally, like tomtom or navigon, right?

Joe-Diver
Dec 14, 2011, 02:44 PM
I'm sure that Garmin and Tom Tom will find some reason to sue....

How do you compete with someone who gives away your product for free?

eNcrypTioN
Dec 14, 2011, 02:59 PM
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I'll stick with the garmin app. I like have maps stored locally on my device.

But garmin does not store the maps locally, like tomtom or navigon, right?

I think its stored on my phone, it's shows that it's taking up 2.2gb of space.

thatisme
Dec 14, 2011, 03:07 PM
Spec:
http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html

Demo:
http://merged.ca/iphone/html5-geolocation

demo only put me about 15 miles from my current position. But hey, good enough for navigation, right?

ArtOfWarfare
Dec 14, 2011, 03:27 PM
I'm sure that Garmin and Tom Tom will find some reason to sue....

How do you compete with someone who gives away your product for free?

Make your product worth the cost.

IE, that's why people use Mac OS X even though many flavors of Linux are free.

But I'm curious... why is this company offering free navigation? They're not bringing in ad money like Google (or are they?) and it's not a built in selling point like the maps app for iPhone...

Actually, if they're bringing in ad money, this could be huge. They just write the plugin and then any developer who uses the plugin is handing them money...

kainjow
Dec 14, 2011, 04:25 PM
demo only put me about 15 miles from my current position. But hey, good enough for navigation, right?

Are you on wifi? Because if so that will always be an approximation.

mikefla
Dec 14, 2011, 05:12 PM
This is great but absolutely useless if you have no Internet access because you can't use it. And i'm surprised they didn't mention traffic updates. I believe the idea here is to get lots of users on board then get lots of advertisers and flood the thing with Ads. No surprise there. No thanks, I'll stick with my TomTom iPhone app.

To the user asking, yes TomTom stores all maps locally on your phone so you don't need Internet access to use the app, you just need the app and GPS signal.

-Mike

cvaldes
Dec 14, 2011, 07:24 PM
Some of these download-maps-on-demand GPS navigation apps will allow you to prefetch/cache maps before you commence your journey to minimize cellular data usage.

Waze does this to a limited degree (you can refresh your local map cache in the settings). MotionX GPS Drive will allow you to prefetch and/or simulate the journey which will download map tiles. The latter app has user defined settings on how much you want the app to reserve for cached maps.

A third app called skobbler is a hybrid. It allows you to work in online "download-as-you-go" mode for 99 cents. Offline maps are in-app purchases.

convergent
Dec 14, 2011, 10:44 PM
This looks pretty cool.

mingoglia
Dec 15, 2011, 06:07 AM
Make your product worth the cost.

IE, that's why people use Mac OS X even though many flavors of Linux are free.

But I'm curious... why is this company offering free navigation? They're not bringing in ad money like Google (or are they?) and it's not a built in selling point like the maps app for iPhone...

Actually, if they're bringing in ad money, this could be huge. They just write the plugin and then any developer who uses the plugin is handing them money...

Not exactly. There's many of us that are using Mac's just because we like the hardware and just run OSX because it happens to come with it. Personally I'd be running FreeBSD unix if I had a choice. OSX though works good as an end user operating system though so I'm happy to run it. That's for another thread though. ;)

Sam Oth
Dec 15, 2011, 07:22 AM
I don't get how they're able to offer browser based audio navigation for iOS devices, as web apps aren't allowed to play media unless an element is clicked to trigger it.
There is no way to play audio automatically and Apple makes sure to quickly patch any workaround people may find.

For more on this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3009888/autoplay-audio-files-on-an-ipad-with-html5

Anonymous Freak
Dec 15, 2011, 12:19 PM
It's possible to launch an audio stream that just stays open, and have the server-side generate the audio as a continuous stream. Yes, the user would have to click "play" up front to start the stream, but once the stream is going, Safari would continue to play it in the background, just like any other browser-launched audio.

It would be a "live stream", not a recording, where the web page would send events to the server to trigger it adding the voice to the already-going stream.

(Note: I have no inside knowledge, that's just my guess of one way to accomplish an "interactive audio" session that falls within Apple's HTML5 audio guidelines.)

EvanBlive91
Dec 16, 2011, 11:11 AM
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As of right now I think I'll stick with Waze

SpinThis!
Dec 16, 2011, 11:35 AM
Mobile Safari just doesn't provide enough 2 way data. The only data you would have is when the user clicked play to start the stream. The web page app has no way to tell how far along you are in the stream or how long it took to buffer. And what happens if you need to rebuffer? You can get out of sync quite quickly.

MSM Hobbes
Dec 17, 2011, 09:31 AM
Interesting, esp. to see how this shakes out, w/ what they bring to the table. Will say that TeleNav is one of my favorite mapping / GPS's… quite helpful, easy, and accurate. Couple things that I've some qualms about, but it has saved my skin a few times when finding alternative routes due to slow-downs on interstates.

henrydoown
Apr 5, 2012, 03:52 AM
This browser is a provide good service.But It's not working without internet.

llamaswill
Apr 5, 2012, 06:25 AM
Yes, the TomTom app stores all the maps on the phone, the main reason why the App is 1.7gigs. I bought the TomTom for that reason; if I'm traveling, I'm more likely to have GPS signal than data.

Actually, using manifest="", you can have an HTML5 web app that is available offline (e.g. offline google docs (http://docs.google.com/offline).

kdarling
Apr 5, 2012, 07:44 AM
This was a better idea back when everyone had unlmited data.