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peter2002
Oct 15, 2002, 09:43 AM
Three of the nation's top retailers on Monday said they had refused to carry a new video game billed as the first major release to feature full-action nudity, and prostitutes and pimps as major characters.

Using the tagline "Keep it Dirty," video-game publisher Acclaim Entertainment is gearing up for the Nov. 19 launch of "BMX XXX," a game that also features copulating pink poodles and a variety of racing-bike stunts.

But major retailers Wal-Mart Stores, Toys "R" Us and KB Toys all said they would not carry the game, a potential blow for the game's exposure.

"We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity--we're just not going to do it," Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams said.

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-962057.html
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It seems odd that they will sale video games that feature blowing people up, killing by the millions, and destroying worlds and galaxies, but a little sex is taboo. What a bunch of hypocrites.

If video games had more sex and less violence, we wouldn't have the problems with "Columbine" kids shooting up the schools and "D.C. Snipers".

Peter

xelterran
Oct 15, 2002, 09:46 AM
haha i like the bit at the end of the article - "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." :D

G4scott
Oct 15, 2002, 10:00 AM
either way, we still must blame canada...

MacBandit
Oct 15, 2002, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by G4scott
either way, we still must blame canada...


It just makes you want to break out in to song. Doesn't it.:D

I will buy BMX XXX when it comes out just to make a statement.

FattyMembrane
Oct 15, 2002, 11:27 AM
this is probably a good thing for the marketers as far as their target segment is concerned. what says bad-ass more than being banned from major stores? kids will eat this up and if i had a system, i'd buy it too.

nothing makes people want something more than telling them that they can't have it, acclaim needs to do an advertizing blitz with this one to stir up more controversy; any publicity is good publicity when it comes to racy games and movies.

look at m-and-m, his music is total crap, but people get all bent out of shape and do him a favor by talking about him to no end so that kids think "wow, it must be cool". its all about marketing and i think that bmx xxx will capitalize on the gta factor to pump up sales. this is america, we did'nt rebel so that we could play pac-man forever, this country is based on doing what others said we couldnt.

King Cobra
Oct 15, 2002, 03:27 PM
That's like banning rated "R" movies with nudity in them. Some of the top-rated movies have sexual content in them. An example would be Titanic.

I don't think that BMX XXX will make it to #1, even if the game wasn't allowed in retail stores, but it doesn't give the right to ban it, just because it's a game and has nudity. Rated "R" movies are listed to be restricted for those under 17, except under the supervision of someone 18 or older. The same should go for games. The ERSB approved rating "Adults Only", listed as AO, should make that perfectly clear.

On the other hand, it is a game and has nudity. Many people like video games, and those who can afford it and have little time on their hands will w/o question go out and buy whatever they feel like whatever they can get their hands on.

I don't think it's a question on whether the game should be banned, but if the content of the game itself should be made more obvious. Something like: "WARNING: This came contains strong explicit material, which may be objectional to those under 17. Parents strongly cautioned" should be placed on the game packages by Toys'R'Us, etc. to enforce this. Then, when gamers see this, some may realize that the game may not be appropriate for them. It may affect sales, but it's better than restrcited sales in certain stores altogether.

Gelfin
Oct 15, 2002, 03:51 PM
It doesn't bother me that Wal-Mart chooses not to distribute this game, just as it doesn't bother me that Wal-Mart chooses not to distribute porn videos. Their choice, and I don't think it will particularly hurt sales overall. In fact, Acclaim is probably counting on carefully manufactured controversy and indignant media hype to help sales.

Otherwise, I don't think this game will sell well at all. I mean, it's not that it's too offensive for the American public. Americans individually love those things at which they are collectively appalled. This particular game just looks really, really, really dumb, and I don't think all the "adult content" (which, oddly, frequently seems to mean "fourteen year old boy content") in the world can save it.

tibookowner
Oct 15, 2002, 04:19 PM
The retailers will be retailers... granted it should not be available to minors, but lets face it, kids will get their hands on it...remember when you were young. I am not a pro-government-needs-raise-my-kid, but make "violent video games" like cigarettes...

Dr. Distortion
Oct 15, 2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by peter2002
If video games had more sex and less violence, we wouldn't have the problems with "Columbine" kids shooting up the schools and "D.C. Snipers".

Peter

On the other hand, we would have a huge overpopulation problem in a few years...

-Dr. D.

Durandal7
Oct 15, 2002, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by peter2002
[i] and "D.C. Snipers".

Peter

Just what makes you think the the Beltway Sniper has been brainwashed with video games? It is silly to blame all violence in society on video games.

scem0
Oct 15, 2002, 05:41 PM
If people weren't immature, and if people didn't make fun of other people columbine wouldn't have happened. If people would be smart enough not to listen to the immature comments of immature kids then columbine wouldn't have happened. Video games have little/nothing to do with it.

Durandal7
Oct 15, 2002, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by scem0
If people weren't immature, and if people didn't make fun of other people columbine wouldn't have happened. If people would be smart enough not to listen to the immature comments of immature kids then columbine wouldn't have happened. Video games have little/nothing to do with it.
Very true. I don't understand the Video Games cause violence arguement. People killed eachother before Space Invaders came along.

cubist
Oct 15, 2002, 06:35 PM
... but nobody got shot. But I don't blame video games either, or even TV - people got shot in TV like crazy when I was young. People are basically getting crazier all the time.

Hey durandal7, you fixed your avatar so the apple stays still! I like it a lot better that way. Thanks.

shadowfax
Oct 15, 2002, 06:40 PM
certainly. probably the biggest violence cultures in america are totally isolated from video games -- i.e. inner city projects and so on. middle class kids who play violent video games don't go shooting people. and when they do, they usually have much more serious problems. i seem to remember some white supremacy issues as well as severe self esteem crap on columbine. i'm not bothered by counterstrike or doom. try the fact that a fascist came uncomfortably close to the presidency in france not too long ago.

and as for this BMX XXX game, they have as much of a right to keep this out of their stores as the PGA does to keep women out, to whatever detriment that is to them. these aren't democratic institutions we are talking about. walmart doesn't stock porn because it doesn't fit their image. if they thought it would be profitable and socially acceptable to sell it, i am sure they would. Walmart etc are not hypocritical. they are capitalistic. society is hypocritical.

tibookowner
Oct 15, 2002, 08:48 PM
I KNOW these comments will tick people off, and that is not my intent, well ho hum here goes:

It's true that you cannot be an Absentee parent... that is the real reason that stuff happens is that parents don't stop to ask their children who? where? what time? For instance, my wife just burned her batchof cookies because of her (wintel) PC addiction... so the lesson here is : Don't play video games while you're baking...:D

FattyMembrane
Oct 15, 2002, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by tibookowner
I am not a pro-government-needs-raise-my-kid, but make "violent video games" like cigarettes...

that sounds pretty pro-government to me :D . but serriously... it is not the job of the government to protect kids from boobs in video games (private enterprise can do anything government can at a cheaper cost and greater profit) and walmart is proving that regardless of government intervention, people will only tolerate so much before their concern for their children causes them to act. walmart is banning the game of their own free will, as is their right, just as acclaim is producing the game of their own free will, as is their right. if people don't want it, they will not buy it, and some distributor will come out taking the high road so as to increase it's value to its customers. no regulation necessary, this game will pass like every other flash-in-the-pan game based on shock value (except for gta3 which truly kicks ass :D)

shadowfax
Oct 15, 2002, 09:36 PM
what if this is an exception and porno-action becomes a new game genre? hahahaha;)


.... like tomb raider, but less clothing.....

i can't spell exception...

tibookowner
Oct 15, 2002, 10:04 PM
Nothing is sacred to unparented childen... the parents can use the games they are playing to spend some time with thier children... the worst thing parents can do is not pay attention...

daniel77
Oct 15, 2002, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane


look at m-and-m, his music is total crap, [/B]

his name is eminem, not m&m, that is a candy. what a bunch of J@Ck@$$e$

shadowfax
Oct 15, 2002, 11:35 PM
originally posted by daniel77
his name is eminem, not m&m, that is a candy. what a bunch of J@Ck@$$e$

actually, i would be proud not to know that. as it is, i do, and it's a tragedy. that guy has no artistic merit whatsoever.

mac15
Oct 16, 2002, 12:56 AM
I'm gonna buy since I'm a BMX freak, I'd like to see it

MacBandit
Oct 16, 2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by mac15
I'm gonna buy since I'm a BMX freak, I'd like to see it

Yeah sure you just want to see the tits.;) :D

Hemingray
Oct 16, 2002, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit


Yeah sure you just want to see the tits.;) :D

I place my bet on the "copulating pink poodles". :p

These types of games are puerile and sophomoric. So there! :D

springscansing
Oct 16, 2002, 05:39 AM
For god sakes, all this about banning the game is stupid. Do the stores have the right to ban it? YES! They legally have the right to ban it. Should they? Of course not.

Walmart won't sell you a game with nudity, but they'll sell you guns. Go figure! (If walmart doesn't sell guns... shhh... this argument is golden if they do, don't tell anyone.)

Either way, I'd much rather have my kid play a violent game or a game with nudity then see what they see in public highschools. I know drugs, fights, and ugly people were common in mine. Then again... I'm 18, so I'd rather not have kids at all! haha Er.. and I don't have any! Really!

Bottom line: Why isn't this thread on Gamefaqs?

ilikeiBook
Oct 16, 2002, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by G4scott
either way, we still must blame canada...

You shut up you're the country with the 94 IQ president:cool:

teabgs
Oct 16, 2002, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by ilikeiBook


You shut up you're the country with the 94 IQ president:cool:


excuse me? Ahem.....73......and he wasn't really elected by the people. Just elected by the man....and that was only accomplished by fixing it......


I don't want this to turn political...but I'm just sayin....he's an idiot.

Also, I'm not gonna buy BMX XXX because I hate BMX games....I will rent it though. Just to support it and have a few laughs.

tibookowner
Oct 16, 2002, 01:27 PM
I know this remark will be answered with Sarcasm... but here goes,

You can't be your kids Best Friend...

When I was growing up, there were rules... UNFortunately sex sells and the notion of "No you can't play it!" Is foreign to most parents. "I don't wanna POLICE my child! It isn't policing to ask questions.


Well that makes it more attractive.

diorio
Oct 16, 2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by teabgs



excuse me? Ahem.....73......and he wasn't really elected by the people. Just elected by the man....and that was only accomplished by fixing it......


I don't want this to turn political...but I'm just sayin....he's an idiot.

Also, I'm not gonna buy BMX XXX because I hate BMX games....I will rent it though. Just to support it and have a few laughs.

Tal vez, estàs el bobo. El IQ de tú es veinte, cierra tú boca perra.

Hemingray
Oct 16, 2002, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by diorio


Tal vez, estàs el bobo. El IQ de tú es veinte, cierra tú boca perra.

Hehehehe... I second that.

FattyMembrane
Oct 16, 2002, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by daniel77
his name is eminem, not m&m, that is a candy. what a bunch of J@Ck@$$e$

i'm well aware that i misspelled his name. i did it because i know that his media-tool 12 year old fans get pissed off at stuff like that and i find it funny when they do, but wait... i've said too much.

King Cobra
Oct 16, 2002, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by diorio
Tal vez, estàs el bobo. El IQ de tú es veinte, cierra tú boca perra.

No necesitas empezar una cita inapropriada en los forums aquí. Comprendo un poco español, y no estabas hablando con mucha apreciación para una persona de los forums.

¡Saca una vida! :D :rolleyes:

A decent translation:
Originally posted by diorio
Well, you're the idiot. Your IQ is 20, [something about a dog].

You don't need to start an inappropriate discussion here on the forums. I understand some Spanish, and you were not speaking with much appreciation for one of the people on the forums.

Get a life! :D :rolleyes:

Just kidding...

FYI: You guys really should use a language everyone on the forums (most people at least) can relate to, or people may become ticked off, not understanding what someone said. In this case, there is no exception. :rolleyes:

BOT: I agree with the previous notions that children in "those days" had limitations. Nowadays you have teenagers listening to Eminem, Korn, some sexual artist CDs, what have you (like 'em or not, that's the way the tide turns). I guess there's not much you can do about it, unless you could go back in time for a few decades.

As for the gun control comment for Wal*Mart, I thought there was supposed to be some gun controlling issue that should have been resolved.

As for the President's IQ, I'm not much on politics, but:
(A) Whatever a President does, he gets someone ticked off, and
(B) He isn't paid as much as the weathermen, but appreciates any handshake he can get with a fake smile.

teabgs
Oct 16, 2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by diorio


Tal vez, estàs el bobo. El IQ de tú es veinte, cierra tú boca perra.

if you have something to say to me, say it in english. Don't be that passive agressive, thinks he's badass but he's really a ***** guy...


You want it? Bring it. Otherwise take your crap somewhere else

Durandal7
Oct 16, 2002, 08:54 PM
*SIGH*

From now on let's keep all talk of Bush out of threads that don't have anything to do with him. It's becoming ridiculous that at the very mention of Bush everyone begins tearing at eachothers throats.

I think that eye or duke should make an official Political bashing thread for people to hurl pointless insults and accusations about political parties.

As for this thread I think that everyone should cool it :rolleyes:

Hemingray
Oct 17, 2002, 06:25 AM
I have to agree with Durandal7. It is getting a little old. We all have our differences about the President but since it is something many people are passionate about one way or the other it's bound to throw off topics at even the slightest mention.

rainman::|:|
Oct 17, 2002, 09:06 AM
i don't ever support full-out banning of things, because no idea is so dangerous that it has to be hidden, but i do support walmart and toys-r-us's right to not carry it. Like people have said, the controvercy will probably make it much more popular. i do have to say that walmart's "family oriented" policy of censoring lyrics and not carrying anything lewd is kind of misplaced since they sell eminem merchandise... but that's another story...

what i do take issue with is that a game like this is targeted at young (jr high/high school) males, and i don't think it's very healthy for them to get an image of women as prostitutes working under male pimps. a sex symbol and nudity is one thing, but the whore/pimp thing is simply degrading...

that said, when's there going to be a video game with *male* nudity??

;)
pnw

drastik
Oct 17, 2002, 09:54 AM
1. ABOVE ALL ELSE: EMINEM BLOWS!. The man wouldn't know positive, elevated hip-hop (http://www.nashvillehiphop.com) if it bit him in the ass. I haven't heard such bad music since Warren G. There is great hiphop out there, some of the best music in the world. Its really too bad that people have no exposure or taste so they don't listen to good music.

Ah, now that I have that out:

2. As someone said before, stores can ban anything they want. Its only censorship when a governing body bans something, so it doesn't violate any first amendment rights.

3. Does anyone know what Wal*Mart does about GTA3, or if they will carry GTA Vice City? talk about violence and nudity.

4. I don't think that media alone has ever lead to any type of violence or action. When someone goes over the edge it is usualy a combination of factors, the major one being parents. Media certianly has an effect on children, but it is all to often used as a scapegoat for bad parenting. Negative media doesn't always equal negative peope.

5. Oh Holy Christ I HATE EMNEM

King Cobra
Oct 17, 2002, 06:58 PM
Man. Quit doggin' Warren G. I've heard Regulate for the most part, and it has a real cool beat, regardless of what ***** he's saying.

And, as for Em... you've seen my poop poetry. I can amplify that to something 20 times better than his self-delusional self-esteem. :rolleyes:

Back on topic, again...

http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1106-962460.html

Discuss away.

shadowfax
Oct 17, 2002, 10:00 PM
capitalistic industries do what they feel is necessary. if they can profit from one dirty game, they are welcome to sell it. if they feel another one is too controversial and that they would lose money for selling it due to boycotts etc, then they have every right--no, rather an obligation to their stockholders, not to sell that game. that's business. the end of business is to provide the general customers with what they want and make the most money you can doing it. the hypocrisy is solely within america.

i think it has to do with the fact that many of the americans that shop at a place like walmart are to some extent part of reagan's "moral majority." they are conservative, don't play violent video games, or any video games for that matter. these people would hear about walmart selling what they see as a dirty, devilish game and get very angry, perhaps angry enough to go to target or HEB. whereas, this game's market is with more open minded people who may or may not go to walmart, but certainly aren't a large subgroup within the walmart-goers demographic. these guys play CS and quake aplenty and have no problem with violence. but they aren't hypocrites. sex? they'll take it! or at least, they don't care if it appeals to someone else. the hypocrisy then is that america is diverse. if you want to call it hypocrisy.

MacBandit
Oct 17, 2002, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
capitalistic industries do what they feel is necessary. if they can profit from one dirty game, they are welcome to sell it. if they feel another one is too controversial and that they would lose money for selling it due to boycotts etc, then they have every right--no, rather an obligation to their stockholders, not to sell that game. that's business. the end of business is to provide the general customers with what they want and make the most money you can doing it. the hypocrisy is solely within america.

i think it has to do with the fact that many of the americans that shop at a place like walmart are to some extent part of reagan's "moral majority." they are conservative, don't play violent video games, or any video games for that matter. these people would hear about walmart selling what they see as a dirty, devilish game and get very angry, perhaps angry enough to go to target or HEB. whereas, this game's market is with more open minded people who may or may not go to walmart, but certainly aren't a large subgroup within the walmart-goers demographic. these guys play CS and quake aplenty and have no problem with violence. but they aren't hypocrites. sex? they'll take it! or at least, they don't care if it appeals to someone else. the hypocrisy then is that america is diverse. if you want to call it hypocrisy.


Your are seriously misdirected if you think that Conservatists are all about the moral Majority. Conservatists typically are for Constitutional rights and people have the Constitutional right to publish or buy any game such as this. I am not a Conservative but I am and have worked with a lot of them and I know what they are about.

shadowfax
Oct 17, 2002, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit
Your are seriously misdirected if you think that Conservatists are all about the moral Majority. Conservatists typically are for Constitutional rights and people have the Constitutional right to publish or buy any game such as this. I am not a Conservative but I am and have worked with a lot of them and I know what they are about.

you are exactly right. ConservatIVES aren't by necessity in the mythical "moral majority," nor is the "moral majority" limited to conservatives. i was just humorously using the term to refer to people who actually get offended by blatantly "dirty" stuff. there are a lot of people who do, mark my words. i don't know if they are mostly "soccer moms", "conservative white collar white males", or Russian immigrants. and i don't really care to make generalizations like that on moral issues, because, as you point out and i have always believed, your political leanings don't really by necessity determine how "moral" of a person you are. and i am not even going to get into what that means.

what i mean by conservative there is "traditional moralists." that is, the kind of moralists that don't want porno at a walmart. i see what you mean though
using "moral majority," reagan, and "conservative in the same line is pretty darn misleading... i should have been clearer.

MacBandit
Oct 18, 2002, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax


you are exactly right. ConservatIVES aren't by necessity in the mythical "moral majority," nor is the "moral majority" limited to conservatives. i was just humorously using the term to refer to people who actually get offended by blatantly "dirty" stuff. there are a lot of people who do, mark my words. i don't know if they are mostly "soccer moms", "conservative white collar white males", or Russian immigrants. and i don't really care to make generalizations like that on moral issues, because, as you point out and i have always believed, your political leanings don't really by necessity determine how "moral" of a person you are. and i am not even going to get into what that means.

what i mean by conservative there is "traditional moralists." that is, the kind of moralists that don't want porno at a walmart. i see what you mean though
using "moral majority," reagan, and "conservative in the same line is pretty darn misleading... i should have been clearer. [/B]


Thanks for clarifying that. I'm glad to hear that you understand and think that way. I did state that I am not conservative. I thought of myself as one for a while until I saw that they were as two faced as liberals. So I fell back on my old beliefs in that I do not belong to a party and I am pro rights meaning pro freedom.

shadowfax
Oct 18, 2002, 12:51 AM
ah... the "libertarian independent?"

stupid labels.

i find political history fascinating, but i hate modern politics, myself. there are precious few honest politicians. maybe 1 % of them are decent at heart.... no one is coming to mind. and this society is such that it doesn't matter, as long as a plurality of them are dishonest.

hey, at least i'm not ragging on bush, who's a nice guy. ("saddam hussein is super-duper evil!"):D :rolleyes:

MacBandit
Oct 18, 2002, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
ah... the "libertarian independent?"

stupid labels.

i find political history fascinating, but i hate modern politics, myself. there are precious few honest politicians. maybe 1 % of them are decent at heart.... no one is coming to mind. and this society is such that it doesn't matter, as long as a plurality of them are dishonest.

hey, at least i'm not ragging on bush, who's a nice guy. ("saddam hussein is super-duper evil!"):D :rolleyes:

Yeah, basically anymore politics has become like HollyWood in that they do whatever it takes to get ratings.

mac15
Oct 18, 2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit


Yeah sure you just want to see the tits.;) :D

Tits wow, I haven't seen it the games yet, sounds better, I have all the BMX games, dabe mirra 1 and 2 , mat hoffman 1 and 2 , TJ Lavin BMX and the gravity games one, I like BMX

King Cobra
Oct 18, 2002, 05:34 AM
Oh, man. mac15, you're not going to like this.

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2894923,00.html

"BMX XXX banned in Australia

Acclaim's mature-themed sports game will have to undergo changes if it's ever to be released in Australia.

As first reported by GameSpot Australia, the Melbourne, Australia, office of Acclaim Entertainment has today announced that the mature-themed sports game BMX XXX, originally planned for release late in November 2003, has been refused classification by the OFLC (the Australian Office of Film and Literature Classification) and will subsequently not be released in Australia.

A rating of Refused Classification, or "RC," means that the game content cannot fit into any of the available categories for computer and video games, which in Australia only go as high as the "MA 15+" classification. If a game would have been given an "R 18+" or "X" rating, then it cannot go on sale in Australia without modification to remove the offending content. This is what happened to Grand Theft Auto III in Australia last year.

Whether or not Acclaim considers the offending content to be too fundamental to the game to change for Australia remains to be seen. For more information on BMX XXX, which certain US retailers are also refusing to stock, check out our previous coverage of the PS2, Xbox, and GameCube versions of the game."

diorio
Oct 18, 2002, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by teabgs




You want it? Bring it. Otherwise take your crap somewhere else

I'm shakin' in my little space boots (Edit) Oh well, I guess teabgs isn't going to read this. It must have been "that time of the month". (Edit)

vniow
Nov 4, 2002, 09:07 PM
Guess they caved.


Acclaim Entertainment said Monday that its controversial video game "BMX XXX" will not contain topless nudity in the version to be released for Sony's PlayStation 2 console later this month.

Some of the nation's leading retailers, including Wal-Mart Stores and Toys R Us, have said they will not carry the game because of subject matter that also includes strippers, pimps and coarse language and features the tagline "Keep It Dirty."


click (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-964484.html?tag=lh)

MacBandit
Nov 5, 2002, 01:53 AM
Here's another article on the cave in.

http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=1677931

From the article initially it sounds like the BMX XXX game with only be edited for the PS2. Also initially it sounds like the only version available for the PS2 will be the edited version. As you read the whole article though you kind of get the idea that there will be two versions of the game one edited and one not.

Does anyone else get the same impression?