WWDC 2005 Approaching

[MacRumors]

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Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050215183121.shtml) is quickly approaching. The upcoming conference starts on June 6th and runs until June 10th in San Francisco.

The rumor mill has been notable quiet over the past few weeks. Few detailed rumors reflecting WWDC announcements have been leaked. Traditional sources have been silent.

Perpetual tablet (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050524131055.shtml) and intel (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050523070726.shtml) rumors have made their way to the surface again, but little additional substance has been offered.

In some ways, there may be less expected due to recent updates across the product line (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/). The iBook remains the only product line that is overdue for an update -- clocking in 222 days since their last update, with a historic average of 158 days.

Some Mac users have questioned the lack of WWDC speculation amongst the Mac web, and a Macintouch letter (http://www.macintouch.com/) from May 19th provides some insight into the workings of Apple and the mainstream Mac Web.

In regards to the WWDC rumor question, it's a widely known "secret" that Apple pays for the silence of various Mac news web sites by having those sites advertise WWDC. They also post Apple-approved WWDC stories and, by signing contracts with Apple, guarantee they will not speculate about WWDC. The sites then get product from Apple based on the number of click-throughs they generate.

The product they get is not minor, either. Dual 2.5Gig G5's, Cinema Displays, Powerbooks, iMacs, etc., are all given out in quantity to the participating web sites.

You can see which sites are involved in this program by looking at their WWDC stories/advertising - they all have "websitename.html" so Apple can track their clickthroughs.

That being said, rumor sites have also been relatively silent.

Steve Jobs will kick off WWDC on June 6th with a keynote (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050502175333.shtml) as usual. WWDC keynotes have not historically been webcast, and there have been no announcements or hints that things will be different this time.

As always, MacRumors will provide coverage.

[fredwick]

there has to be something :rolleyes:

[barneygumble]

there has to be something :rolleyes:

touche'

[quackattack]

Of course there will be something! I am hoping for the APE update. But I am also hoping Apple will suprise us!

[iriejedi]

there has to be something :rolleyes:


Reading between the lines in the article... it ends with "that said - rumor sites have been quiet"

Let's start the "What did Mac Rumors get to stay silent thread" :p

[morse]

Lets hope there's an update to the iBooks. This seems to be the longest wait ever for an update... perhaps a redesign?

[runninmac]

Hmm i never knew apple paided sites to shut up. Im thinkin that something big is gonna happen. Or atleast i hope.

[Lacero]

Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050215183121.shtml) is quickly approaching.I was going to write a smart aleck reply to this. :rolleyes: But I wisely declined.

[morse]

Hmm i never knew apple paided sites to shut up. Im thinkin that something big is gonna happen. Or atleast i hope.
I hope so

[cr2sh]

Lets hope there's an update to the iBooks. This seems to be the longest wait ever for an update... perhaps a redesign?

Boy, that would just about be the let down of the year. We're all sitting around holding our breaths for something... and what? Powerbook g5, 3GHz, dual core... something... anything but a modest iBook update.

Perhaps they could up the CPU's to 1.47 GHz and throw a superdrive in the top model.... stocking the next rung down with a combo drive @ $200 less. yawn.

[arn]

Hmm i never knew apple paided sites to shut up. Im thinkin that something big is gonna happen. Or atleast i hope.

Apple does it every year. this year is no different. It was not meant to imply they were hiding something in particular... just in general.

[thevessels]

agreed . soooomthing all new has to surface - beeing apexpress2 or a redesigned / compact ibook .. soooomthing pleeeeease . we havnt had anything big and "all new" since the imac .. *sigh* :rolleyes:

[Lacero]

Expect something BIG.

[puckhead193]

Why would Steve go a keynotes on nothing. THeir has to be nothing. If he just talks about tiger and ipod sales and demos of tiger, i will be mad. I want a new ipod, my 3g ipod battery is dying and would rather get a new color ipod.

[morse]

I doubt a new iPod, they just came out with new specs for the 2G photos and minis... If they were planning an update so soon, why new specs?

I know something will happen... every year in the past something has (I think).

[Hiroshige]

It's about time they put those Freescale G4 chips into the portables.

Looking for a dual dual core PowerMac (somebody once suggested HyperMac or something like that).

[morse]

Maybe a G5 PowerBook and the iBooks will inherit previous PowerBook specs.

[zakatov]

It's about time they put those Freescale G4 chips into the portables.

Looking for a dual dual core PowerMac (somebody once suggested HyperMac or something like that).

LoL, HyperMac. Is that like the PowerMac with ADD?

[Lacero]

(somebody once suggested HyperMac or something like that).How about Apple PowerMac Extreme Ultra Edition?

[zap2]

id like a ebook( low end laptop) startig at 699
17'' screen 499
iBook update
ipod photo becoming the ipod
Id liek to see soemthign new like a new product

[weezer160]

It'll probably be dull compared to the last two years, and another excuse why we didn't reach 3 Ghz. :(

[poundsmack]

i to have the feeling something very big is in the works...

[LaMerVipere]

5th Generation iPod, please. :)

I have a feeling, unlike some here, that nothing big is in the works for WWDC 2005.

[rowanhall]

i'd quite like to see a ibook update, as i'm thinking about buying one... but i think the previous hints at the garageband asteroid device is quite certain maybe as nothing has surfaced so far?

ipod 5th gen?? hehe! (i would love to see built in bt and wireless headphones! ) :D

[rowanhall]

5th Generation iPod, please. :)

you read my mind there! :)

[obeygiant]

it seems like everything is up to date with exception of the iBook. I expect small things for the WWDC.

[johnbro23]

5th Generation iPod, please. :)
Yea, I bet the line will go something like this:

30GB iPod (color)
$299

60GB iPod (color)
$399

80GB iPod (color) (they'll hold off on this one, and just add it to the line sometime in the future)
$499

As I see it, getting video capability at WWDC is about a 50/50 chance... if it doesn't happen at WWDC, it'll happen at Macworld in the fall.

[BornAgainMac]

My predictions: iBook and iTunes is due for updates. Discussion about how Dashboard was a huge success with many new widgets. Showcase some of the new Tiger apps. Discussion about CPUs and some good news, maybe. And an update about marketshare or growth. Two button mouse but still unique.

[d.perel]

5th Generation iPod, please. :)


with bluetooth messaging and H.264 Television playback ability, please :D

[mvc]

WWDC is usually where they flaunt their latest breakthrough or hi-end tech. The mere fact that Steve is doing a keynote there implies there will be something new, exciting and probably expensive :p

<wild speculation>
My vote is on a new top end (3 GHz?) Quad Core HyperMac (I like that, Steve always was good at Hyping the Mac!)

And maybe a tablet iTunes-remote Media controller device? (Intel inside? - surely not!)

Or perhaps a tablet form-factor 8-10" iBook (return of the newton/emate?) which might explain the long wait for iBook upgrades and help maintain portable marketshare despite the Powerbooks ongoing inability to sprout a decent processor and bus!

And what about that dang vPod! :rolleyes:
</wild speculation>

[CubaTBird]

ipods... and more ipods.. i say they are updated AFTER wwdc.. but then that's just me... at wwdc we could see something new and related to wireless perhaps... not an ibook update though, thats home and consumer, not pro level

and with apple you gotta be modest.. very modest it seems.. *wink* and where's that 3ghz g5? hrm...

[Erendiox]

it seems like everything is up to date with exception of the iBook.

Not quite from my point of view. Apple has been lagging behind in processor speed for some time now, especially regarding notebooks. Updating the ibook now without any update to the powerbook would put the ibook ridiculously close to the powerbook. Its allready close enough as it is. With so little standing between the ibook and the powerbook today, they can't in their right minds update the ibook without updating the powerbook with it. At least, thats what im hoping for :D

[FFTT]

"The mother of all thermal challenges"

"G5 @ 3.GHz within 12 months"

Place your bets folks!


Also contenders

iBook revision
XServe revision
XServe mini :D
G5 2.0 Single Cube
Asteroid Breakout Box
ProBand
iTunes HD
Flat Mac tablet
iPhone


3.2 Ghz Dual Core QuadraMac XStation :D

just to name a few possibilities

iGiveUp!

[morse]

ipods... and more ipods.. i say they are updated AFTER wwdc.. but then that's just me... at wwdc we could see something new and related to wireless perhaps... not an ibook update though, thats home and consumer, not pro level
I don't have have a doubt in my mind that they wont update the iBook. Maybe not announce it, but they'll do it. It's been far too long since the last update, and all the other stuff has been updated.

[mvc]

...ProBand... Or maybe GarageTools? :D

[FFTT]

Or maybe GarageTools? :D


I love it! :D

[rockthecasbah]

I doubt a new iPod, they just came out with new specs for the 2G photos and minis... If they were planning an update so soon, why new specs?

I know something will happen... every year in the past something has (I think).
If all we get are new iPods, i will pull the trigger :D.

I'm calling for updated iBooks and Powerbooks (if we are lucky). Apple is definitely holding something else back, something huge, that they are going to unleash, maybe a tablet (or something better that I would actually want or use :) ). Heck, i'll throw a Mac Mini speed bump just for kicks. ;)

[gibjer]

Well this is the year of HD,

Maybe a laptop with an HD Screen, or maybe an apple external blue ray burner, with HD combo (all firewire 800 to make it interesting)

I can dream right

[yg17]

iTunes 5 maybe? Just throwing that out there

[~Shard~]

I'm holding out for a completely new, redesigned iBook. The updates are way overdue, hopefully Apple comes out with something substantial.

Actually, it's kind of fun not having an rumors prior to the event. This way it's going to be even more of a surprise when jobs reveals whatever it is he has up his sleeve. I feel like a kid at Christmas! ;)

[zimtheinvader]

GaragebandPro=Logic
asteroid[minus perks]=that M-audio control surface(??)
other than that, hmm... I would love to think a new cpu, either revised G5 PM or updated PB, but haven't we been here soooo many times before, then again if not Tiger then...? :(

no offense, but I hope its something a lot bigger than a new ipod! even if it could do video, that's pretty old technology (ie. Archos) and so few macs have tv tuners/dvd ripping software anyway! I would almost say the same for Pdas considering how relatively small and inexpensive a full-fledged ibook/PB 12" is .

If it is Powermac/Powerbook cpu updates, wouldn't the Apple Store prices be lowered by now?>

[runninmac]

G5 2.0 Single Cube


I like the way you think... if that were so i would get one. :D Have you herd of any rumors like that?

[bodeh6]

Hopefully we will see high res displays on the 15" and 17" Powerbooks. The 17" should be 1920 x 1200 and the 15.4" 1680 x 1050.

[poundsmack]

I am gona go with a completely new Xserver. seems pretty likely to me. and its been a while since an update.

[ttutsch]

With absolutely no basis in fact or rumour, I have a wish for Monday's Keynote. Check out my letter to Jobs here: Dear Steve Jobs. (http://timtutsch.ca/2005/05/dear-mr-jobs.html)

I don't really think that we are going to get a Mac Home Media Centre, but hey, here's hoping.

[zimtheinvader]

Hopefully we will see high res displays on the 15" and 17" Powerbooks. The 17" should be 1920 x 1200 and the 15.4" 1680 x 1050.
absolutely!! but what about that pixelsperinch preference that supposedly makes Apple displays so appealing to artists? Other than something like that, the displays are *long* overdue for a resolution bump if its only an arbitrary design choice holding them back...


Lol the PB G5 is racing the Virus Ti racing the PM G5 3.0 for most unexpected shipping delays...

[Bubbasteve]

WWDC 2005 will introduce:


Video iPod
Tablet Mac
G5 Powerbook
Tri-Core 3.5 Ghz Powermac...Steve will skip over this dual core nonsense and go straight to tri-core.... okay maybe not


You heard it here first guys and gals :p

[ccrandall77]

While I don't expect a lot of new product or product update announcements, since this is a developer conference, if there are some goodies coming out this is what I'd want:

* A/V Airport Express
Streams audio and video, also would be nice if it could split audio channels so 2 AX's could do surround sound

* Powerbooks with 16:9 XBrite-like screens
G5 or dual-core G4 CPUs would be nice too, but I doubt it'll happen

* iPod-mini update
Probably premature, but I'd like 8-10GB capacities with bluetooth 2.0, color screens, and normal colors instead of pastels

* Mac-Mini upgrade or Home Media Center
Either that or I'd like to see Elgato release their next EyeTV that'll have IR out

[mvc]

WWDC 2005 will introduce:


Video iPod
Tablet Mac
G5 Powerbook
Tri-Core 3.5 Ghz Powermac...Steve will skip over this dual core nonsense and go straight to tri-core.... okay maybe not


You heard it here first guys and gals :p

A Tri-Core HyperMac would need dilithium crystals, and who can afford those :cool:

[LaMerVipere]

WWDC 2005 will introduce:


Video iPod
Tablet Mac
G5 Powerbook
Tri-Core 3.5 Ghz Powermac...Steve will skip over this dual core nonsense and go straight to tri-core.... okay maybe not


You heard it here first guys and gals :p

Ha! Steve would have to cancel the next two WWDC keynotes if he announced all of those on the 6th! :p

Seriously though, I'd love a 5th Generation iPod with more of an anodized aluminum look, ditch the chrome, colour screens across the line, possible bluetooth connectivity, and battery life comparable to the current mini's. :D

[~Shard~]

There may not be as much as previous WWDCs in terms of actual releases, since the majority of the lines have seen recent updates, but I could see Jobs making a couple releases (again, iBooks would be nice!), then chat about what coming down the road. He'll probably chat about iPod, iTunes, Tiger, etc. as well, which will eat up some time.

[JeffTL]

I won't be disappointed if there is no Power Mac, PowerBook, or tablet.

Why?

I have no need for a Power Mac, and unless they cut prices I can't justify a PowerBook. I've never used Ink, but since my handwriting is abysmal, it's pretty clear that I am better off typing.

On the other hand, my iBook G3 is getting old and moreover doesn't run Lotus Notes very quickly; upgrade time may be as soon as July when my academic discount rolls around again. I wouldn't be suprised in the least to see 512MB RAM and 64MB VRAM in a WWDC iBook update.


That won't stop me from drooling at a 4-way PowerBook G5 if Steve pulls one out of his mock turtleneck, though...though I dare say it'd have to be a women's item if you don't have a taste for Rocky Mountain oysters.

[law guy]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=129162

[Apple!Freak]

Where is the link to these "WWDC stories/advertising" ???

[iriejedi]

A Tri-Core HyperMac would need dilithium crystals, and who can afford those :cool:


Why use di-lithium - go for Tri-Lithium or Omacron Particle powered Powerbooks.... speed is one thing but infinite power life.... NOW that is Key Note Worthy! :eek:

[CubaTBird]

powerbook g5... hrm.. not quite yet.. i saw mwsf 06 for that one :cool:

[poundsmack]

powerbook g5... hrm.. not quite yet.. i saw mwsf 06 for that one :cool:

haha i think i saw never for that one, something better will comet o the PB than a G5

[thejadedmonkey]

I say this is macrumor's way of saying something GOOD is comming along, but they can't say cuz they want a flatscreen or something. add I don't blame them at all.

I'm all up for PB and iBook upgrades, and I was thinking about tablets, but remember how apple likes to hide patents inside pattents (such as the click wheel)

how about the tablet being part of the new design of the ibook or something?

this is the craziest idea ever, but wouldn't a touch screen mouse be amazing? like the touch pad, but a screen? I'd sell everything I own to own one of those. well...maybe not...

I can't wait. the 6th is my last day of school, so that's just gonna be one long day!

[barneygumble]

The ipod dock in the mini to be reestablished, maybe as an ad on so people who wont use it dont have it becasue they don't need it



and a orange ipod mini for me :D

[mulletman13]

D'oh! I have a tonsillectomy that day so I'm going to be pretty out of it on pain medication...

Hopefully I will be able to sort out the truth from the pain medication when all is said and done...

***hopefully won't hallucinate about new revisions of ibooks and powerbooks and anything else*** :(

[sord]

I for one hope there isn't anything big (please read on before hating me). The better the product updates the more I want it and then more I wish I didn't just buy a new sports car...but when I finish paying for the car there BETTER be some sweet updates to the product line because I will be doing an all out upgrade then!

[jwhMac28]

personally, i doubt there will be updates to iPods, iTunes, or even the introduction of the Asteroid Breakout Box. when Steve announced that a new version of iTunes was coming out in "the next 60 days," he was probably referencing a date closer to the end of the 60 days than the beginning. i wouldn't be surprised if new iPods, iTunes, and the Asteroid all came out at the same time, i just believe Apple will have a separate "Music Event" to release them, maybe around the end of July (won't they have a presence at MW Boston?).

[poundsmack]

at least i am almost possitive that there will be an anouncement of new technology in the works. if not an actaul release

[Ups85]

A new tablet or video iPod using superthin OLED screens

http://news.com.com/New+Samsung+panel+pictures+inch-thick+TV/2100-1041_3-5712842.html?tag=nl

[solvs]

I don't think they'll be a new G5 PowerBook. We'd have heard something by now, and they just updated the G4 P'Book awhile ago. I'm thinking single G5 PowerMac. I noticed the single 1.8 has increased to 2-4 days shipping time since last I checked. They probably just wanted to give the new iMac a month or so. Maybe something cool for the new iBook, otherwise a quiet release on Tues or Wed. An iPod/iTunes update probably. Some other stuff no one has thought of yet or we just don't have the details on. Like Asteroid.

Wouldn't be the first time they used WWDC to intro consumer stuff.

[feakbeak]

If that rumored two-button scroll mouse from Apple becomes true, I'll buy one. I'd also be tempted by a new A/V APX or a 5th gen iPod, especially if it were styled after the mini, I'm not a fan of the white acrylic and chrome. Video capabilities would be nice, but I probably wouldn't use it much, I would use the photo stuff though which I cannot do now with my current 4G that I got right after they launched last year.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Why use di-lithium - go for Tri-Lithium or Omacron Particle powered Powerbooks.... speed is one thing but infinite power life.... NOW that is Key Note Worthy! :eek:
I think it's clear that Omega particles are in order.

[Nermal]

5th Generation iPod, please. :)

I hope not :eek:

... because I just bought a G4 on Friday :rolleyes:

[LaMerVipere]

A new tablet or video iPod using superthin OLED screens

http://news.com.com/New+Samsung+panel+pictures+inch-thick+TV/2100-1041_3-5712842.html?tag=nl

That's amazing, especially photo #4! :eek:

[musiclover137]

Place your bets folks!
Also contenders

G5 2.0 Single Cube


I would LOVE to see the cube back. I would take it over a mini any day.

[poundsmack]

I think it's clear that Omega particles are in order.

good luck stabalizing the omega particle matrix...wow i jsut made myself a huge geek

[poundsmack]

A new tablet or video iPod using superthin OLED screens

http://news.com.com/New+Samsung+panel+pictures+inch-thick+TV/2100-1041_3-5712842.html?tag=nl


this could entirely replace LCD screens for laptops....whata re the odds of this happening or seeing this in laptops within a year or 2?

[~Shard~]

good luck stabalizing the omega particle matrix...wow i jsut made myself a huge geek

Don't worry, you're among friends/geeks here... ;)

[Object-X]

I expect an update to WebObjects. And along with that announced support for the Cell chip. A lot of opinions on the web have been that Tiger isn't a big improvement over Panther and isn't worth the upgrade price; however, these people are ignorant to the real value of Tiger; which has more to do with the underlying technologies it brings to the table than it does with eye candy. Developers are the ones who are in a position to really appreciate this.

I find it very interesting that most of the "improvements" or additions to OS X in Tiger have a development twist. Spotlight allows you to create sophisticated queries of your data's metadata. Dashboard allows the introduction of all kinds of neat utilities to be added to the OS and is a boon for developers. Automator makes scripting possible even for the novice and also creates new revenu streams for developers. Tiger is about making your OS work for you and giving you the power to customize that work to your specific needs. This is becomes more apparent to you as you use the OS.

This conference of course will focus on these technologies, becasue they really do provide a whole new venue for developers to hook into OS X. Dashboard apps are appearing daily. Automator functions are being developed and sold. Core Audio, Core Image, H.264, ect. are all technologies that have huge potential, but only developers understand this. Tiger is a developers OS. I think there are going to be very "BIG" things announced at this years conference, but they aren't going to be about product updates, new products, and the like, they are going to be about the underlying technologies that make up Tiger and how they are going to be used to position OS X for the larger market share it will eventually achieve. I'm talking double digit market share.

Now, that is not to say there won't be any products announced, I expect a demonstration of the iTunes phone for one, and I bet we will hear something about the "Home".

:cool:

[fanbrain]

So I'll be ordering a G5/2.3 this tuesday (not next tuesday, HAhahahahahaIkillmyself) to replace my rustic iMac 500. What if a new revision comes out next week. Will I be up a creek, or will Apple compensate?

[dontmatter]

you guys are wayyyy too optimistic, here. too much is updated, we got our headless imac. Oh, and we got our mini-office suite, and we got all the stops pulled out the last time....

Which makes us feel like it should keep following the trend, and just get bigger....

not happening.

I'd bet an ibook update, and then one piece of hardware or software, something like, maybe airport express size, and then boasting about financial performance.

Of course, I think the single most hilarious thing on earth would be if we got G5 PB's and 3 Ghz powermacs, now that we've finally stopped believing that they will come. But, hey, I've stopped believing they will come, right?

[VicMacs]

i got 1800 dollars flying out of my pocket! u better take em all apple... u know what i want! now give it to me! 12 in pb g5!

[stephenli]

Powerbook G5!!! i must be happy to buy if it release...or
at least give us a faster, dual G4 PB....with HD screen
hopefully iBook also get updated with a nice LCD, too. 1024 x 768 won't be a nice experience nowadays

my iBook late 2001 is nearly dead.....comeon steve!!!!

[jaw04005]

Has Apple ever introduced or updated a consumer product (iPod, iMac, eMac, etc) at WWDC? I only rediscovered Apple in 2002, so from there on I don't recall a consumer product ever being updated or debuted. Does any veteran MacRumors member know for sure?

Anyways, I'm not expecting any type of consumer update (software or hardware). WWDC is for professionals. MacWorld and Apple Expo Paris are the trade shows for consumer product launch events.

[mvc]

So I'll be ordering a G5/2.3 this tuesday (not next tuesday, HAhahahahahaIkillmyself) to replace my rustic iMac 500. What if a new revision comes out next week. Will I be up a creek, or will Apple compensate? Just wait, I am, I am ready to press GO on a 2.3 at the moment but you never know what option you might want if anything unexpected turns up.

It's only a week or so. Why order right now? :confused:

[adam1185]

Where is the link to these "WWDC stories/advertising" ???

MacMinute has one at the top of their homepage. I was curious as to why it has been sitting there for the past couple of months, but now I know.

"Come meet the engineers behind Tiger at WWDC 2005!" links to http://developer.apple.com/click/macminute.html

Edit: looks like macobserver is also getting paid, anyone know of others?

[morse]

Has Apple ever introduced or updated a consumer product (iPod, iMac, eMac, etc) at WWDC? I only rediscovered Apple in 2002, so from there on I don't recall a consumer product ever being updated or debuted. Does any veteran MacRumors member know for sure?

Anyways, I'm not expecting any type of consumer update (software or hardware). WWDC is for professionals. MacWorld and Apple Expo Paris are the trade shows for consumer product launch events.
Here's one: http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040628144828.shtml

30" display, not sure what else. New video cards maybe.

[Abstract]

I gave this news a positive rating because I'm glad nobody is ruining the surprise for us. :cool:

[iDrinkKoolAid]

Hopefully we will see high res displays on the 15" and 17" Powerbooks. The 17" should be 1920 x 1200 and the 15.4" 1680 x 1050.

I would be elated if that is all Steve Jobs talks about at WWDC. And put some of those XBrite screens with a wide viewing angle, all the while making it as light and small as the Sony VAIO T Series.

When is Apple going to buy Sony?

[BanditBill]

I'd like to see:

Wireless high quality keyboard with anodized aluminum accents.
The keyboard would be recharged and functional while connected to a USB2 port. It would also have 2 additional USB2 ports.

Wireless rechargable anodized aluminum mouse. Again, with small USB port to allow it to function and recharge while conneced to a USB port.

17" 16:9 anodized aluminum monitor for a Mac Mini or budget Power Mac.

23" anodized aluminum chinless iMac HD edition with aforementioned keyboard and mouse.

[iDrinkKoolAid]

I would LOVE to see the cube back. I would take it over a mini any day.

Why?

[morse]

Cubes were really quiet, weren't they? Convection cooled?

[Nermal]

Why?

64-bitness and expandability spring to mind.

[aswitcher]

New PMs...?

[SiliconAddict]

there has to be something :rolleyes:


There probably is....Apple probably went psycho with security after MW. Don't know what they did but if it was me I would require every Apple employee to read and sign a new NDA with stronger wording....something like Steve will personally drop kick you out of the building or something. :D

[LGRW3919]

Like banditbill, i want to see a 17" widescreen ACD at a competive price so that someone is ready to throw it in with their mini. Other than that, I'm down with dual core G4's for the powerbooks and updated displays on the portable lines. COME ON APPLE SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!!!

[SiliconAddict]

I'd bet an ibook update

What could you possibly update on the iBook that wouldn't pretty much put it in parallel with the PowerBook. At that point you may as well drop the iBook line and just have the PowerBook. The distinction between the two is getting razor thin at this point. :confused:

[SiliconAddict]

dual core G4's for the powerbooks and updated displays on the portable lines. COME ON APPLE SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!!!

Dual cores aren't going to be happening until this fall at the earliest unless the Moto folks have been feeding everyone BS because they themselves have said that samples (Samples NOT shipping products.) of DC's wouldn't be shipped out until 3rd quarter. So don’t hold your breath. You probably have just as good of a chance at seeing a G5 PowerBook as a DC PowerBook at this point.

[morse]

What could you possibly update on the iBook that wouldn't pretty much put it in parallel with the PowerBook. At that point you may as well drop the iBook line and just have the PowerBook. The distinction between the two is getting razor thin at this point. :confused:
G4 PMs become iBooks, PMs go G5 :D

[SiliconAddict]

G4 PMs become iBooks, PMs go G5 :D

Don't tease me. :(

[sord]

There probably is....Apple probably went psycho with security after MW. Don't know what they did but if it was me I would require every Apple employee to read and sign a new NDA with stronger wording....something like Steve will personally drop kick you out of the building or something. :D
Then they'd have a new problem - anyone who can't just go up and meet Jobs will sign it and then do it on purpose. They would at least get to see him in person at his will!

[Apple!Freak]

I want to see a 12" Powerbook with backlight keyboard, self-adjusting display, gigabit Internet, hd display, and upgraded graphics processor with 1.67Ghz G5 cpu. Pack that for $1,599 (Educational Discount Included), and I will be a sure buyer first day.

[solvs]

Has Apple ever introduced or updated a consumer product (iPod, iMac, eMac, etc) at WWDC?
iSight, for one.

[devman]

Well there are several TBA sessions in the WWDC schedule. These are usually the placeholders for new stuff to be announced in the next OS release. But since Tiger is just out, it makes you wonder what they'll be announcing that needs these TBA slots. One of the TBAs is in the Presidio too - which is the BIG room at Moscone West.

[joeboy_45101]

Macworld San Francisco, Apple Expo Paris, and WWDC all seem to be turning into very low-key events. The past couple events for all of these have been kinda dull with the announcements. The absence of a webcast backs this up for me, meaning that Apple is turning these events into low priority gatherings.

All in all I believe that there will be something new announced. But I have my doubts that it is going to be anything BIG. There will definitely not be anything relating to the iPod or the consumer Mac models. And the PowerBooks and PowerMacs have all been recently upgraded. Maybe Apple will present some new applications or devices that will enhance the productivity of the Mac platform.

[Apple!Freak]

Macworld San Francisco, Apple Expo Paris, and WWDC all seem to be turning into very low-key events. The past couple events for all of these have been kinda dull with the announcements. The absence of a webcast backs this up for me, meaning that Apple is turning these events into low priority gatherings.

All in all I believe that there will be something new announced. But I have my doubts that it is going to be anything BIG. There will definitely not be anything relating to the iPod or the consumer Mac models. And the PowerBooks and PowerMacs have all been recently upgraded. Maybe Apple will present some new applications or devices that will enhance the productivity of the Mac platform.

Who the hell are you? Harry Houdini?

[shadowmoses]

Who the hell are you? Harry Houdini?

LOL... I think we will see updated iBooks which will be a new form factor, have simular processing speed and specs just a better video card, and 512mb ram as standard, This will make sure they dont push into powerbook territory any further.

[theonenonlyjoey]

at least the one guaranteed thing is the webcast will be h.264 quality :D

[Apple!Freak]

I'm kind of hoping we don't see any PB updates come the 6th, simply because I leave for a big trip out-of-country trip for two weeks on the 10th and while I wait until the 6th before I buy the PB I hope an update is not released then. As, if it is I will have to wait until after my trip to get the unit as it will not be available before the 10th.

Somewhat of a foolish reasonsing but hey, I've got to say what I've got to say. In any event, if Apple does not introduce a new Powerbook this Keynote, I hope it won't be for some time either considering I will have a brand new PB.

September, yeah yeah, thats good, do it then Steve. At the thing in Paris. Do it there! Not here, no, its just not going to work out. Really, its not.

[Mactrunk]

I'm bummed.
I keep waiting to upgrade my desktop mac.
I was really hoping WWDC would be it.
I think you guys are right.
2.7 is the top for at least another 9 months.

I don't need no steenking weedgets, I need some horsepower.

[BWhaler]

My predictions:

100% - Bunch of updates. Tiger fastest uptake OS in Apple's history
100% - 4 CPU XServe
100% - Motorola iTunes Phone

75% - HD 17" Powerbook
75% - iTunes Remote Type Device (2 Way Remote or tiny flat screen)
75% - iBook refresh (may see silent bump prior)

50% - HD 15" Powerbook
50% - New CPU (not G5) Powerbooks
50% - Airport Extreme 2 with video
50% - Swivel Displays

10% - Home media hub device

0% - G5 Powerbook
0% - Tablet PC
0% - Apple Phone
0% - iPod updates (Apple'll wait until September before the holiday season)

[Platform]

XServe mini :D
G5 2.0 Single Cube
3.2 Ghz Dual Core QuadraMac XStation :D

just to name a few possibilities

iGiveUp!

1. That would be REAL nice if it was a "home computer" :D :D :D

2. Nice but at what price :p

3. Well maby a bit too hopeful but maby not ;)

[timmyb]

What could you possibly update on the iBook that wouldn't pretty much put it in parallel with the PowerBook. At that point you may as well drop the iBook line and just have the PowerBook. The distinction between the two is getting razor thin at this point. :confused:I think it is very dangerous for Apple to do what you suggest. Although Apples have a vastly superior OS, the iBooks and Powerbooks are not the only laptops out there and just because the PBs have a bottleneck with the "mother of all thermal challenges" doesn't mean they should sacrifice the any hope of competing meaningfully with the iBook. IMO, Apple should update the iBooks now, (512MB RAM and 64MB video card, whilst still maintaining the amazing battery life,) and accept that it will eat in to PB sales, then blow everyone away with PB G5s when they are ready.

[oskar]

Well since everybody's just guessing, I might as well throw in what I think as well.

The PowerBook is the product that needs updating the most. I just bought one in January knowing this, but I couldn't wait any longer, I needed one NOW. I had been waiting for a PowerBook with a new processor since mid-last year when we expected to see a G5 pro PowerBook before a G5 consumer iMac, but as we all know, everybody who's been waiting for a PBG5 has been left with nothing for the time beeing.
The iBook is obviously beeing held back because of the lack of PowerBook updates or because we will see a full redesign. If we were to see updates next week, the high-end iBook wouldn't be more than a 1.5Ghz G4 maybe with a SuperDrive. They would just be minor updates with 512RAM standard (like the PowerBook's, PowerMac's, and iMac's last updates), unless we were surprised by a new PowerBook first. A new PB is bound to happen, but I would think until September in a future Apple event.
I think a more feasible product to be announced would be an updated XServe.
For once, all is possible in WWDC, thanks to the new measures that Apple has probably taken since previous leaks.

As a second thought I think the keynote will focus more on Tiger sales, iPods, and more sales (Jobs wouldn't miss it for the world), apps for Tiger, and other "smaller" things. The asteroid breakout box sounds like a good product, but not as a "one more thing" product, unless it's truly innovative and not just a white Apple-branded breakout box.

[opq]

Has Apple ever introduced or updated a consumer product (iPod, iMac, eMac, etc) at WWDC?

Which is why I'm hoping for refreshed Powerbooks. Again, I think it's really valid that Apple doesn't want to update their iBooks so that they are on par with the Powerbooks - that'd just hurt sales (the same thing that would happen if Apple added an x86 version of Tiger to the lineup - if you don't include the migration complications that is).

I'm personally really hoping for a dual-core or G5 powerbook. I have the Rev. A 867MHz 12" and unfortunately my headphones jack one day decided to make the PB think headphones are plugged in all the time and my PB is muting everything. Apple says I need a new logic board and that'll cost $500 at least. Any suggestions on this problem?

[GilGrissom]

its begun!!
The rumor mill is powering up!! hehe!!

I really dont kno wots going to happen this time, but to be honest instead of fancy new hardware or updated product specs im hoping for more invisable updates firstly, like lower prices, more reliability with all hardware just to ensure wintel users cant diss any mac hardware 4 reliability. i believe they've done it with the 12" pb, my new 1 is perfect, trackpad s genius and works perfectly 100% of the time!!! new pb hinges is one reliability topic i can fink of that im sure other people wudnt mind seeing improving. also i agree wiv sum of you wiv the 12" pb, giv it all the extras of the 15 & 17" models, bout the only way you can increae ibook/powerbook gap apart from G5.

[BWhaler]

I mini powerbook--smaller than the 12" with no cd drive--is also a possibility. I'd give it 50%

[redeye be]

If that rumored two-button scroll mouse from Apple becomes true, I'll buy one. I'd also be tempted by a new A/V APX or a 5th gen iPod, especially if it were styled after the mini, I'm not a fan of the white acrylic and chrome. Video capabilities would be nice, but I probably wouldn't use it much, I would use the photo stuff though which I cannot do now with my current 4G that I got right after they launched last year.
Like feakbeak i believe we can expect

mouse: with scroll pad (like the iPod). Maybe even multi button. Allthough i wouldn't mind having just one and the ability to 'tap' the scroll pad.
A/V Airport Express: watch iPhoto on your tv. Maybe even with BlueTooth to controll iTunes with the BT version of their new mouse, and a nice representation of your library on the TV.

These products have been rumored (maybe a little diffrerent :rolleyes: ;)) and i for one would love to see them materialized.

[timmyb]

mouse: with scroll pad (like the iPod). Maybe even multi button. Allthough i wouldn't mind having just one and the ability to 'tap' the scroll pad.I think that would be unlikely. It may be good for a desktop but laptops already have one - a trackpad. Apple need to produce a mouse that would suit both.

[Windowlicker]

So I'll be ordering a G5/2.3 this tuesday (not next tuesday, HAhahahahahaIkillmyself) to replace my rustic iMac 500. What if a new revision comes out next week. Will I be up a creek, or will Apple compensate?

The PowerMacs were just upgraded. Apple would be shooting itself on the knees (which wouldn't feel too nice, would it?!) if they released new models already. Go ahead and buy that beast if you need it!

Also, I bought my 2x1.8 last summer and I don't feel any need for a faster one.. Oh well, sometimes rendering video could be a bit faster ;)

[lpshean]

I think Steve will release Quicktime for Windows there.

I mean, Quicktime for Windows is "coming soon"... and its sorta associated with the pro community for those who create movies and stuff... so why not boast about the codec there and tell how it will influence Windows?

[Darwin]

at least the one guaranteed thing is the webcast will be h.264 quality :D

I would be interested to see that, watching it in higher rez, hopefully there will be some cool stuff to watch for :p

[pigwin32]

I would LOVE to see the cube back. I would take it over a mini any day.
Hmmm, Cube is good, tech is a little dated but silent operation is very nice, but Mini is also good, tech is a little dated and some fan noise in operation. Both look good on my shelf but the Mini takes up a little less room :)

[Windowlicker]

at least the one guaranteed thing is the webcast will be h.264 quality :D

Oooooh baby! They might even increase the picture size a little bit. The MacWorld 2005 HQ stream was 448x252.. bump that to 480x270 and there would still be a bit better over all image quality.

[Darwin]

Oooooh baby! They might even increase the picture size a little bit. The MacWorld 2005 HQ stream was 448x252.. bump that to 480x270 and there would still be a bit better over all image quality.

They have two ways to go about it

They can keep the size the same and lower the bandwidth usage

Or hopefully they will keep the bandwidth usage about the same and increase the screen size, they could give us 3-4x the rez of before, that would be cool :)

[aafuss1]

Lets hope there's an update to the iBooks. This seems to be the longest wait ever for an update... perhaps a redesign?
I hope so too that iBooks are updated soon-either at WWDC or the next few weeks.

[mannybianco]

Has Apple ever been able to announce something completely suprising? Not talking about price cuts (do they even get announced?), but a new model/revision that NOBODY saw coming.

I have been following the Apple scene for only 6 months or so, but everything Apple does has been heavily trailed on the rumour sites, if only with a lead time of a week or so. It seems that these rumors or lack of are a more accurate indication of what is to come than the historic product cycle - xx days since last update etc.

If Apple had put some of that NDA hoodoo about, you'd still expect to hear about that, smug "I know something you dont" kind of posts, but nothing.

Looks like a lot of people are seeing things in the silence that just arent there (Rorsarch?) and building themselves up for a disappointment.

Dumb thing is that most people warn to avoid revision A Apple gear. So a lot of seasoned Apple-ers will cry out for new products with no intention of buying them until they mature...

[pigwin32]

Dual cores aren't going to be happening until this fall at the earliest unless the Moto folks have been feeding everyone BS because they themselves have said that samples (Samples NOT shipping products.) of DC's wouldn't be shipped out until 3rd quarter. So don’t hold your breath. You probably have just as good of a chance at seeing a G5 PowerBook as a DC PowerBook at this point.
Ah well, there goes my interest. My TiBook is getting kind of tired, I would have been very interested in a dually. Of course Mot has never been known for the accuracy of their forecasting and even sampling doesn't indicate product will be available for shipping in the following quarter. Plus it sounds like PBs are still shipping in big numbers regardless.

So my prediction would be the return of Newton with a new name so that Steve can claim he created it, 60GB laptop drive, does tunes like an iPod but also does handwriting recognition, wireless, oh wait, that would be OQO (www.oqo.com), damn.

[mainframe]

i hope they release a biometric fingerprint scanner

iTouch or iLog or iPrint.

there arent any for mac, i want one.

[Windowlicker]

Dumb thing is that most people warn to avoid revision A Apple gear. So a lot of seasoned Apple-ers will cry out for new products with no intention of buying them until they mature...

Exactly! Why is there a warranty for the products?? BECAUSE: If there's a problem, go fix it! I don't think the REV.A stuff applies anymore. Maybe back in the days like with Yosemite and it's handicapped IDE-controller.

Just think about it. The G4 MDD wasn't Rev.A, it was something like Rev.F, and still there was a big problem – that being noise.

If you want the new stuff, you buy the rev.a stuff and that's it.

[redeye be]

I think that would be unlikely. It may be good for a desktop but laptops already have one - a trackpad. Apple need to produce a mouse that would suit both.
But if you put your laptop on an iCurve or something like it, that trackpad isn't really handy in use. I do believe both laptop and desktop users would benefit from this mouse.
Being able to scroll a webpage with your mouse, without moving it is just to easy to not implement. imho :D

[b0x]

What I'd love from Apple in the next couple of months is an updated Shuffle, ie to 2 gb, and a Rev B mini to use as a bit of a MM PC!

[MacBarry]

13" widescreen Powerbook, same specs except for video

12" Ibook, video card revision to 64 meg and 512 MB standard memory, also change in color for all Ibooks from White to high gloss black (ala U2 ipod)...."Hey...Black...its the new White"

[bodeh6]

Aplle should get back into the PDA game. They released Newton over a decade ago (around 92/93 I think) and it was too ahead of the times for its own good and it went away. Years later up pops Palm Pilot and then Windows CE powered PDAs. Now would be a great time for a new Newton.

[mannybianco]

Exactly! Why is there a warranty for the products?? BECAUSE: If there's a problem, go fix it! I don't think the REV.A stuff applies anymore. Maybe back in the days like with Yosemite and it's handicapped IDE-controller.

Just think about it. The G4 MDD wasn't Rev.A, it was something like Rev.F, and still there was a big problem – that being noise.

If you want the new stuff, you buy the rev.a stuff and that's it.

Its been so long since a revision A anything you cant tell.

A warranty should be an expression of the manufacturers confidence in their product, and for peace of mind. If I was looking at a $x000 product, where I would be expecting to use that warranty in the 1st year, I wouldnt buy it. I wouldnt even poke it with a stick.

There are certain stock answers or bits of advice that are posted over and over again, regardless of the underlying truth. "Repair disk permissions" is one, and "Dont buy Rev A" is another. That is one serious cloud of mistrust. To reverse it, Apple needs to build and maintain a near-spotless track record in this area.

[jwhitnah]

iBook upgrade? That's it?

[CmdrLaForge]

Hi,

I think we see new iBooks with a new enclosure at WWDC. It really doesn't matter if they are closer regarding the Specs to the Powerbooks. That happend before (Jan05) and can happen again.

New Powerbooks will come out around September, I don't see a huge update and therefore no announcement on the Paris show.

[vouder17]

i personally think that there will be nothing special...The reason for the silence is because there is nothing... I am afraid that this WWDC might be a disappointment :(

[PPC970FX]

The bump to 512MB RAM will be all over the line, the mac mini and iBook will get 512MB.

Then I hope a Powercube will be there, with a singel singelcore G5 and you can change the vidoe card.

Xserver will get an update, do I see a PPC980 or a PPC970MP CPU?

iTunes store rev 2

[groovebuster]

There is nothing to talk about... so let's talk about it!

;)

groovebuster

[salmon]

I'm (still) hoping for the tablet and home media center. We'll see.

[the.snitch]

also change in color for all Ibooks from White to high gloss black (ala U2 ipod)...."Hey...Black...its the new White"

Check My Sig :D

[mad jew]

Check My Sig :D


Nice craftsmanship but I reckon that's a pretty good argument for Apple not to make a different coloured iBook. No offence, but white looks better IMO.

[groovebuster]

Check My Sig :D
It doesn't work...

[uv23]

I've given up on G5 powerbooks for the most part, but am holding out hope for a Mac Mini update. I plan on getting one for the missus as soon as it gets a vid upgrade.

[mad jew]

It doesn't work...


Not even copying and pasting the URL?

[the.snitch]

It doesn't work...

You dont work.

Plus, it looks better now, i got the front edge round the screen resprayed as i forgot to do it first time.

Back on topic. Id like an airport express with better range/perhaps apple to adopt wiMax and be first to implement it. Same thing for blu-ray optical drives in their equipment.

Also, I dont think PB g5s are quite yet. But how about a Powermac g5 cube? Much better expandability than the mac mini, but only single processor.

[mad jew]

Plus, it looks better now, i got the front edge round the screen resprayed as i forgot to do it first time.


I reckon it'd look really pretty cool with a red version of the standard OSX Aqua desktop. :cool:

[groovebuster]

Not even copying and pasting the URL?
Now it does... what the...?

Computers!!! ;)

groovebuster

[Macmaniac]

I just have a feeling that the iPod is due for an update, all color screens. I have a feeling that the mini should get an upgrade too, faster video card and proc with more RAM.

I hoping for a really cool surprise that is completely unexpected!

[AoWolf]

I have no idea what will come out so here is what I would like to see:

13inch widescreen iBook running at 1.42ghz with a new graphics card I would also like to see a redesign maybe thiner. Also normal iPods going color would be nice.

[Rocket Rion]

Steve Jobs is going to announce a couple of new dashboard widgets.

[law guy]

Macworld San Francisco, Apple Expo Paris, and WWDC all seem to be turning into very low-key events. The past couple events for all of these have been kinda dull with the announcements. The absence of a webcast backs this up for me, meaning that Apple is turning these events into low priority gatherings.


When have we learned about live feeds in the past - hasn't it been just a few days before the event? I'm searching my memory here, but it seems like in the past is when we've seen ARN on this sight and other sites post feed information one or two days before the event.

I also note that SJ is keynoting - Apple knows that they raise expectations when they have Steve on. Otherwise, send PS to tell us how great the iMac updates are and summarize how many copies of Tiger have sold.

That may all be me just clinging to hope (not that I'm going to replace my 1.42 PM or my 1.5 PB for YEARS to come), but I choose to HOPE for exciting advancements.

[mafwoj]

802.11n

[Swissboy]

Introducing the all new iBook mini

Is all I can leak. But this IS the "one more thing"

Enjoy.

[MacSA]

The bump to 512MB RAM will be all over the line, the mac mini and iBook will get 512MB.


Unlikely...... even the recently updated eMac (Combo drive version) still has 256mb RAM - the more expensive Superdrive version has 512.

[Chobit]

Well, because of lack of the rumors, it is time for my baseless prediction of fun.

Jan '04 - iPod Mini
Jan '05 - Mac Mini
June '05 - iBook Mini

Yes, yes, the previous releases would make you think, "if such a thing exists, it will come out in Jan '06." Of course, Steve Jobs knows you are thinking this, so he's going to release it at WWDC to pull the carpet from under your feet, so to speak.

Anyway, the iBook mini will have for some reason a 1.2 Ghz G4 in it, and a 12 inch touch screen that will be nearly the size of the entire unit. It is this tablet doohickey we've all heard about. It will have no keyboard, and unfortunately, will not be compatible with Nintendo DS except through third-party emulation.

It will feature 256 megs of ram, airport extreme, and a slot-loading combo drive. The only ports to mar its pristine exterior will be an audio jack (1/8"), and proprietary port akin to the ipod connector. This may possibly even be the ipod connector, or a newer, faster version. This port will have cables like the iPod to plug in through firewire for firewire home folder syncing, or to plug into a dock which acts as both a screen stand and will have all your standard ports - usb, firewire, audio in/out etc.

Without the dock, the price will be 900 dollars. With the dock, 1000.

I completely made that up, but it WOULD be cool, and I WOULD have to buy one.

Edit: I didn't see the mention of iBook mini earlier in the thread. Maybe there's more truth to my random guessing than i thought. :p

[ZLurker]

It doesn't work...
it works fine for me...

[vouder17]

802.11n

Wow thanks for that...care to elaborate...

[mvc]

Introducing the all new iBook mini

Is all I can leak. But this IS the "one more thing"

Enjoy. Newbies who make bold, tantilizing and utterly unsupported statements like these have historically tended to end up having to eat their hands.

Or some other body part, I can't quite remember how it went down last time. :D

[Windowlicker]

Nice craftsmanship but I reckon that's a pretty good argument for Apple not to make a different coloured iBook. No offence, but white looks better IMO.

"Yes, Tom.. It is horrible, this.. black computer".

[runninmac]

I think Steve will release Quicktime for Windows there.

I mean, Quicktime for Windows is "coming soon"... and its sorta associated with the pro community for those who create movies and stuff... so why not boast about the codec there and tell how it will influence Windows?

Yeah I think that that is one of the first actual good guess in here

[Bubbasteve]

Why use di-lithium - go for Tri-Lithium or Omacron Particle powered Powerbooks.... speed is one thing but infinite power life.... NOW that is Key Note Worthy! :eek:

I thought you used Tridium ... oh wait that's from Spiderman :p

[Bubbasteve]

Steve Jobs is going to announce a couple of new dashboard widgets.

But then again you can never have too many of those ;)

[jaw04005]

Here's one: http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040628144828.shtml

30" display, not sure what else. New video cards maybe.

Here's one what? Don't tell me you think the 30" Cinema Display is a consumer product! :D Maybe a consumer fantasy. :)

Seriously though, I don't think Apple has ever introduced or updated a product targeted at the consumer at a WWDC event. It's mostly for Mac OS X previews and professional hardware product launches.

[Tilmitt]

1.33Ghz low end iBook and 1.42Ghz high end. Maybe widescreeness...13" or something. Also 64MB ripple effect compatible GPU. One of those for the Mac mini too. I really hope they update the iBook....if they do I am without a doubt buying one. Otherwise i don't know what i'm going to do....

[iMeowbot]

Introducing the all new iBook mini

Is all I can leak. But this IS the "one more thing"

Enjoy.
Are these as sure to appear as the color dome style G5 iMacs you saw last August?

[TrenchMouth]

I dont really care what comes out. All I know is that I need a new iBook and I am not going to fork over the money for one now if it is going to be incompatible with core graphics. i have decided to wait, but it would be nice if they came out before i went back to school in august. this 500Mhz machine is seeing the last of its days.

[mafwoj]

announcing 802.11n support would more or less fit with how
"airport extreme"(802.11g) was announced (albeit at mwsf03)
alternatively "wimax" or 802.16 could be announced
I expect at least one of these will be announced as "shipping" on or before
mwsf06

mind you, this is all MY speculation based on Historical Patterns
IE it would make sense

802.11n could definitely be announced in a product this summer/ fall

wimax I'm not so sure about but mwsf06 seems safe to me

FYI: wimax/802.16 is more or less an Intel technology

[aegisdesign]

Again, I think it's really valid that Apple doesn't want to update their iBooks so that they are on par with the Powerbooks - that'd just hurt sales (the same thing that would happen if Apple added an x86 version of Tiger to the lineup - if you don't include the migration complications that is).


I think that's backwards thinking.

It's frankly mad that Apple would hold back two product lines, ruining sales on both just because the Powerbook can't be upgraded further. It's just poor economics.

Over past years I've been thinking of either a new 12" iBook or 12" Powerbook but the Powerbook has never had much of any advantage over the iBook since it went to the G4. 15"+ is a different matter as it's significantly different but the 12" is just an iBook with a fancy skin and marginally better GPU.

Now if they came out with a 12" Powerbook with a 1280x768 screen, gigabit ethernet, cardbus slot and 128MB Ati 9800, that'd be different. Otherwise I'll take the iBook.

I'm still hoping for a 10.6" 1280 wide iBook/Powerbook like the smaller Sonys, Fujitsus or Toshibas. Since I only use a laptop as a second machine in the true portable sense then that would be perfect. An 'iBook Mini'.

[Tulse]

802.11n doesn't have an agreed-upon standard yet (www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3506656), and thus won't likely have products available for at least another 6 months to a year. So I wouldn't expect that at WWDC.

One thing I haven't seen much mention of is iTunes 5, with the podcasting addition. I wouldn't be surprised to see it launched at WWDC, and also wouldn't put it past Apple to include a tool for easy creation of podcasts (perhaps integrated with .mac).

Given the new release of Tiger, with all the major "under-the-hood" changes, I'm guessing that the OS will be the primary focus of WWDC, rather than new hardware goodies.

[mafwoj]

802.11n doesn't have an agreed-upon standard yet (www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3506656), and thus won't likely have products available for at least another 6 months to a year. So I wouldn't expect that at WWDC.



802.11g wasn't fully ratified for 2 months after people actually had their new airport gear

in addition one can already purchase "pre-n" gear
so it's not like it doesn't exist

If apple wanted to they could announce this summer/ fall
as I said before apple should have either .11n or.16
gear announced by mwsf06

edit: and oh yeah, Apple tends to be one of those companies who tips the scales/drives mainstream adoption of new tech :p

[redeye be]

...
Anyway, the iBook mini will have for some reason a 1.2 Ghz G4 in it, and a 12 inch touch screen that will be nearly the size of the entire unit. It is this tablet doohickey we've all heard about. It will have no keyboard, and unfortunately, will not be compatible with Nintendo DS except through third-party emulation.
imagine :rolleyes:
The only ports to mar its pristine exterior will be an audio jack (1/8"), and proprietary port akin to the ipod connector. This may possibly even be the ipod connector, or a newer, faster version. This port will have cables like the iPod to plug in through firewire for firewire home folder syncing, or to plug into a dock which acts as both a screen stand and will have all your standard ports - usb, firewire, audio in/out etc.
They would (should :mad: ;)) at least have both 1 USB and FireWire port, it is a mini, but a mini is still a computer, and a damn good one! :p
The idea of the dock is cool though, put it one the stereo system when home. Ultimate iTunes (movies ;)) unit or remote.
Maybe they won't call it mini, right now this means bottom line specs...
It will feature 256 megs of ram,...
I heard or read somewhere* it will have indeed the 256 MB RAM, soldered to the main board with an expansion slot for an additional GB. :D
* It's time for more rumors ! :-p :-D

[celebi23]

In think that 1 thing that actually will happen is an iTunes update. Steve demoed a new version of iTunes that has better Podcasting integration and was quoted as saying that it'll be available within 60 days :)

[~Shard~]

Newbies who make bold, tantilizing and utterly unsupported statements like these have historically tended to end up having to eat their hands.

Or some other body part, I can't quite remember how it went down last time. :D

Ah, NeatGekko - that takes me back... Good times... :cool:

[~Shard~]

Are these as sure to appear as the color dome style G5 iMacs you saw last August?

I forgot about this one, and didn't realize it was the same guy. Thanks for the link, it helps validate his credibility. :p ;)

[Dr.Gargoyle]

i hope they release a biometric fingerprint scanner

iTouch or iLog or iPrint.

there arent any for mac, i want one.
Weird, I could swear I saw one at the Tampa Apple store in Feb this year. I think it was Sony that made them....

[SULLY23]

WWDC is usually where they flaunt their latest breakthrough or hi-end tech. The mere fact that Steve is doing a keynote there implies there will be something new, exciting and probably expensive :p

<wild speculation>
My vote is on a new top end (3 GHz?) Quad Core HyperMac (I like that, Steve always was good at Hyping the Mac!)

And maybe a tablet iTunes-remote Media controller device? (Intel inside? - surely not!)

Or perhaps a tablet form-factor 8-10" iBook (return of the newton/emate?) which might explain the long wait for iBook upgrades and help maintain portable marketshare despite the Powerbooks ongoing inability to sprout a decent processor and bus!


And what about that dang vPod! :rolleyes:
</wild speculation>

I may be suffering from pre-event reality distortion syndrome -- infected by hope and magnified by reading too many rumor posts -- but I agree with MVC --- Apple tends to announce their latest high tech and expensive suprise at the WWDC
my vote is for a new very high end PM -- dual core Quad etc etc -- delivered fairly soon after the announcement so as not to totally wipe out the already weak PM sales
I know -- I know --- they just updated the top end -- but maybe they had too -- maybe they were ready and needed to update the iMac and eMac lines and had to update the PM to keep enough seperation --- anyway from reading other posts its seems Apple has a few times in the past followed a minor update with a major overhaul ---
I'm hitting the send button now before I take my meds and erase this

[feakbeak]

But if you put your laptop on an iCurve or something like it, that trackpad isn't really handy in use. I do believe both laptop and desktop users would benefit from this mouse.
Being able to scroll a webpage with your mouse, without moving it is just to easy to not implement. imho :DI've heard several people talking about an iPod-like scroll wheel on an Apple mouse. If you are refering to a circular scroll wheel, just like on an iPod that would be very uncomfortable to use. I tried it on my one-button Apple mouse, moving my finger in a circular motion on the top of the mouse torward the front - not very nice compared to a standard scroll wheel. Now, if they just had a touch-sensitive vertical strip that you would move your finger over like a traditional scroll wheel that might work.

Still, I like the tactile feedback you get from an actual wheel. This is particularly important for first-person shooter gamers who usually use the wheel to switch weapons, when the wheel "clicks" it's easy to count off how many weapons over to go using just the tactile feedback.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

isn't very very quiet on the leak front this year? I haven't seen one credible, reoccuring hint about a new Apple product soon to be released/revamped.
How do you interpret that?

[aljawad]

I dream of: XStation – x4 PPC chips, 16 GRAM, slim case, with all new trimmings! :cool:

[poundsmack]

(Jobs) ...we at Apple have once again revolutionized the computer industry. I give you, "the 2 button mouse". (crowd ewwws and awwws) thats right, you heard it hear first. I bet you have never seen anything even compare to these babies." :p

[Dr.Gargoyle]

(Jobs) ...we at Apple have once again revolutionized the computer industry. I give you, "the 2 button mouse". (crowd ewwws and awwws) thats right, you heard it hear first. I bet you have never seen anything even compare to these babies." :p
lol.... you are mean. ;)

[mafwoj]

isn't very very quiet on the leak front this year? I haven't seen one credible, reoccuring hint about a new Apple product soon to be released/revamped.
How do you interpret that?
that's probably because
any remotely (from what we all know) possible updates
to apple HW products are not exactly huge leaps
forward from a general consumer perspective

the most exiting remotely credible thing possible(IMO) is
Airport express AV

all we really know is that a new version of itunes will be out before mwsf06
:cool: :rolleyes:

[poundsmack]

the fact that macrumors told us that rumor sites are basicaly being paid off (like they are every year....but every year we get some idea before it happens anyways) and that we havent heard anyhting yet, kinda makes me think apple really wants to keep some thing a secret.....

[Dr.Gargoyle]

the fact that macrumors told us that rumor sites are basicaly being paid off (like they are every year....but every year we get some idea before it happens anyways) and that we havent heard anyhting yet, kinda makes me think apple really wants to keep some thing a secret.....
I hope you are correct, but didn't Arn (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1488774&postcount=11) say that this is not something new for this year?

[sparks9]

iPod 5

want a replacement for my 2nd gen

[redeye be]

I've heard several people talking about an iPod-like scroll wheel on an Apple mouse. If you are refering to a circular scroll wheel, just like on an iPod that would be very uncomfortable to use. I tried it on my one-button Apple mouse, moving my finger in a circular motion on the top of the mouse torward the front - not very nice compared to a standard scroll wheel. Now, if they just had a touch-sensitive vertical strip that you would move your finger over like a traditional scroll wheel that might work.

Still, I like the tactile feedback you get from an actual wheel. This is particularly important for first-person shooter gamers who usually use the wheel to switch weapons, when the wheel "clicks" it's easy to count off how many weapons over to go using just the tactile feedback.
You were right in assuming i was not referring to a circular scroll wheel. ;)

As for the shooters, what if you could assign 'zones' to the pad, it would be like playing the violin! :D

[buggybear]

Hey Stevie Poo,
How about an ipod I can actually use in my car without a friggin mess of wires and a boatload of batteries? Oh and while you're at it, how about airport so I can sync it in my driveway.

[PBGPowerbook]

Hey Stevie Poo,
How about an ipod I can actually use in my car without a friggin mess of wires and a boatload of batteries?



http://www.alpine-usa.com/products/leading_technology/leading_tech_kca-420i.htm

[redeye be]

Hey Stevie Poo,
How about an ipod I can actually use in my car without a friggin mess of wires and a boatload of batteries? Oh and while you're at it, how about airport so I can sync it in my driveway.
Pioneer has an iPod adapter (http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/product_detail.jsp?product_id=10148&taxonomy_id=25-38) now. Great news as i own one of their ip-bus units, just no car to put it in (anymore). Just good to know it will be possible ;)

As for the syncing in the driveway, maybe with a future iPod version... :p

[Cougarcat]

Anyway, the iBook mini will have for some reason a 1.2 Ghz G4 in it, and a 12 inch touch screen that will be nearly the size of the entire unit. It is this tablet doohickey we've all heard about. It will have no keyboard, and unfortunately, will not be compatible with Nintendo DS except through third-party emulation.

It will feature 256 megs of ram, airport extreme, and a slot-loading combo drive. The only ports to mar its pristine exterior will be an audio jack (1/8"), and proprietary port akin to the ipod connector. This may possibly even be the ipod connector, or a newer, faster version. This port will have cables like the iPod to plug in through firewire for firewire home folder syncing, or to plug into a dock which acts as both a screen stand and will have all your standard ports - usb, firewire, audio in/out etc.

Without the dock, the price will be 900 dollars. With the dock, 1000.



Too expensive. You might as well just buy an iBook. Now, if you got rid of the combo drive, gave it a 10 or even 8 inch screen, and priced it at $499, I'd get one along with a G5 for college instead of an outdated Powerbook.

But I don't see it happening. I fear only iSight 2s and Airport Express A/V, with maybe an updated iBook w/ new case if we're lucky.

[poundsmack]

what i wana see is USB slots in car stereo's that u can put a USB thumb drive in and if that drive is full of MP3's you can play them as it if were a cd.

[Doebldodl]

In regards to the WWDC rumor question, it's a widely known "secret" that Apple pays for the silence of various Mac news web sites by having those sites advertise WWDC. They also post Apple-approved WWDC stories and, by signing contracts with Apple, guarantee they will not speculate about WWDC. The sites then get product from Apple based on the number of click-throughs they generate.

In related news, Nick dePlume, publisher and editor in chief of www.thinksecret.com, stated that there would be "several new products" at WWDC.

dePlume declined any comment on the nature of these products: "Frankly, I don't want to speculate.", said dePlume. "To learn what's going on at WWDC, one should read the official WWDC announcements."

However, dePlume encouraged users interested in WWDC to click through the ads on his site. "This way, I can get my Powerbook mini, my XStation G5, and maybe even an iPod XM", dePlume stated.

Just joking, of course :)

[~Shard~]

Just joking, of course :)

Or is he?.... ;)

[Laurent]

It has to be related to the G5 processor. G4 is getting old fast and Apple is trying to switch from Motorola A.S.A.P. They may announce a new partnership with Intel concerning faster processor for the portable market (but that would imply Intel entering the RISC market) or announce a new G5-like processor for portable...

They can't announce new hardware. They need to clean their mess first...

[snowdog]

Just give us the Excel-killer Steve!

[poundsmack]

(but that would imply Intel entering the RISC market)
first...

you know intel makes a few RISC processors. Itanium comes to mind, as well as everything Xscale

[Laurent]

you know intel makes a few RISC processors. Itanium comes to mind, as well as everything XscaleWow! Thanks for the information, I wasn't aware that they were doing so... I might be getting old...

[~Shard~]

It has to be related to the G5 processor. G4 is getting old fast and Apple is trying to switch from Motorola A.S.A.P. They may announce a new partnership with Intel concerning faster processor for the portable market (but that would imply Intel entering the RISC market) or announce a new G5-like processor for portable...

Perhaps there is some sort of announcement with Intel looming somewhere, however regardless, I wouldn't say that Apple is trying to switch from Moto ASAP. They've shown dedication towards them in continuing to bump the speeds (albeit very marginally) on their G4 chips even after the advent of the G5s, and I could see some involvement with Freescale as well in the future - and in many repsects, a dual-core G4 PowerBook is more likely than a G5 PowerBook.

Oh, and Intel makes RISC-based processors, and has for years - I believe the Itanium is RISC-based.

[~Shard~]

Just give us the Excel-killer Steve!

You might have to wait for that until iWork '06... ;)

[CubaTBird]

iChart...

the new excel killer? hrm...

[nagromme]

I'm expecting no big new-product news. That's not what WWDC is for. It's for developers and will serve that need.

Products will keep evolving, but anything big I'd expect to see at an Apple press event, not at WWDC. Sometimes the timing works out to combine the two, but there's really no need to.

Still looking forward to a glimpse into what Apple's up to on the OS/software side.

[wdlove]

the fact that macrumors told us that rumor sites are basically being paid off (like they are every year....but every year we get some idea before it happens anyways) and that we haven't heard anything yet, kinda makes me think apple really wants to keep some thing a secret.....

Secrecy is certainly a killer. Having rumors is much more fun.

[poundsmack]

Wow! Thanks for the information, I wasn't aware that they were doing so... I might be getting old...

no problem :)

[~Shard~]

I'm expecting no big new-product news. That's not what WWDC is for. It's for developers and will serve that need.

But keep in mind that many big products have been released at previous WWDCs! The G5 PowerMacs come to mind from 2 years ago... ;)

[m4r71n1]

Ive been waiting for a Mac for over 9 months now. I was hoping initially for an Imac but figured that the gfx card sucked too much. After that, i wanted an ibook or powerbook however, the new revisions were terrible. What about a high preformance tablet...
It could be used by architects etc.
COmmon apple gimme something high preformance

ini

[themacman]

Expect something BIG.
in this case i think were in for a tsunami

[Prom1]

Tablet, but not like what MS/Intel alliance has. I'm thinking something that competes with Wacom; displaying images, once mated to your Mac, but onscreen editing, drawing, signatures, etc that you can take around the house like your Mac - imagine the artist being Picaso under the cherry tree. ;)

Personally I'd like to see the PowerBooks, if any update, get Bluetooth v2.0+EDR. Also would like to see the mouse & keyboard to have BT v2.0 as well - to allow for multiple connections simultaneously without ruining the 3Mbps bandwidth. Many people have to turn off their current BT Keyboards/Mouses in order to iSync their cellphone. :mad:

Surely the XServe & XRaids will get a speed bump, maybe even Infineon type connection for pure networking/XSan bandwidth!

Maybe a new announcement of a new PPC Alliance partner, Lenovo??!!

[poundsmack]

Surely the XServe & XRaids will get a speed bump, maybe even Infineon type connection for pure networking/XSan bandwidth!


they would have to redesign the Xserver. they cant increase speed without a new cooling method for it. its a mirical they got the dual 2.3's in there if you have ever oipend one up its pretty cool.

[SULLY23]

just dreaming ---- Steve says ---" oh yea one more thing. Two years ago at this event I promised the G5 at 3 gigs by summer, well " --- crowd goes wild as Steve demos new PM --- then --- "oh just one more thing" Steve intros the dual quad 3.2 ghz ------
got to take my meds

[dontmatter]

What could you possibly update on the iBook that wouldn't pretty much put it in parallel with the PowerBook. At that point you may as well drop the iBook line and just have the PowerBook. The distinction between the two is getting razor thin at this point. :confused:

Very true. But it is majorly overdue for an update, and apple's got nothing else to do this time around. There is literally nothing else for them to update that's worthwhile at ALL, and I don't really see any cool new products of any size, do you?

Steve doesn't have carl rove working for him: there's gotta be either something quite cool and new, or bad news for apple. Updating ibooks would be the best and easiest way of cutting losses on this one.

[oskar]

iChart...

the new excel killer? hrm...

How about iCell? Or will Apple reserve this name for the future merging with Sony's new processor? :p

[dontmatter]

Hey Stevie Poo,
How about an ipod I can actually use in my car without a friggin mess of wires and a boatload of batteries? Oh and while you're at it, how about airport so I can sync it in my driveway.

Or how 'bout, since the motorola itunes phone is never going to make it to market, let me ditch the bloatware cellphone (NOT WITH AN APPLE IPHONE!), but by adding a little optional phone capability to the ipod. Little update so you get better address book functionality, then use the scroll wheel to dial....

I'd take one less device in my pockets. And it woudl be great to make ipods even more prevalent, because you would carry them even when you weren't listening to music. And I really, really don't need a crappy camera, games, all the rest of modern cell phones. Small is all.

[autrefois]

its begun!!
The rumor mill is powering up!! hehe!!

I wouldn't quite say that. Since no one seems to have any real information, it's more like a bunch of people outside the rumor mill splashing around trying to get the millwheel to move... :)

I'm not sure if I like Apple buying the silence of websites, even if it has been going on for a while. Do we know if other companies do this (i.e. is this standard operating procedure for most companies or something peculiar to Apple)?

[oskar]

Very true. But it is majorly overdue for an update, and apple's got nothing else to do this time around. There is literally nothing else for them to update that's worthwhile at ALL, and I don't really see any cool new products of any size, do you?

Steve doesn't have carl rove working for him: there's gotta be either something quite cool and new, or bad news for apple. Updating ibooks would be the best and easiest way of cutting losses on this one.

If Apple did that, they would most likely be small updates. I would predict
1.33GHz G4 to 1.5 GHz G4, high end with 512 RAM standard and 64MB video card. Maybe this difference would allow the low end iBook to be a couple hundred dollars cheaper?
But then again, an updated iBook, seems like a too small announcement to make with a room full of pros and developers. In that case, Steve would talk about the recently updated PowerMacs. Unless they gave an excuse that the iBook was great for software development and the pros, which we know even the PowerBook hardly reaches that "pro" level anymore. Apple's pro apps are demanding G5's and 1GB of RAM or more each...

Someone said an iSight 2. I like that idea. I think the current iSight is great but still too expensive.
And A/V Airport Express seems like a more technological product to brag about at a keynote. This would eventually lead to newer products... iPod AV
:p

[mandis]

Ive been waiting for a Mac for over 9 months now. I was hoping initially for an Imac but figured that the gfx card sucked too much. After that, i wanted an ibook or powerbook however, the new revisions were terrible. What about a high preformance tablet...
It could be used by architects etc.
COmmon apple gimme something high preformance

ini

I agree.
I bought my Powerbook 9 months ago and it literally sucks when it comes down to design programs like Sketchup, Illustrator or cinema 4D. As a L4 architecture student I need to create complicated 3d models and photorealistic images, something that I cannot do with my current mac. In fact any file larger than 9Mb is completely unusable in Sketchup and in performance terms that is the equivalent of an 800 MHz Pentium 3. I know that this is probably due to problematic software development, however it is completely inexcusable for a company to advertise their systems as designer’s tools when you cannot actually design on them.

[morse]

If Apple did that, they would most likely be small updates. I would predict
1.33GHz G4 to 1.5 GHz G4, high end with 512 RAM standard and 64MB video card. Maybe this difference would allow the low end iBook to be a couple hundred dollars cheaper?
But then again, an updated iBook, seems like a too small announcement to make with a room full of pros and developers. In that case, Steve would talk about the recently updated PowerMacs. Unless they gave an excuse that the iBook was great for software development and the pros, which we know even the PowerBook hardly reaches that "pro" level anymore. Apple's pro apps are demanding G5's and 1GB of RAM or more each...

Someone said an iSight 2. I like that idea. I think the current iSight is great but still too expensive.
And A/V Airport Express seems like a more technological product to brag about at a keynote. This would eventually lead to newer products... iPod AV
:p
Well how about a decent laptop then. It's Apple, for christ sake, I'd think they could come up with some innovative cooling solution and start cranking out hugely powerful laptops.

[corduroygt]

I "KNOW" that it'll be the new powerbook, the most lucrative personal computer market these days.... And It'll be a G5.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1489094&postcount=213

[poundsmack]

who wants to make bets it will "NOT" be a G5 PB? i will start $5 says it wont...anyone bet against haha

[corduroygt]

who wants to make bets it will "NOT" be a G5 PB? i will start $5 says it wont...anyone bet against haha
Smart, you'll win both ways...It's like betting that your team will lose the game, so that in any case you win...

[blitzkrieg79]

I also dont think we will see a mobile version of G5 (G5 as in ibm 970 series) at WWDC or ever, it just wasnt designed for laptops. Maybe motorola will surprise everyone and release the new low power dual core chips but I doubt it. Another thing that pops in my mind is the CELL and/or the PPE of the CELL but I think its too early for that (but who really knows)...

Last but not least, about Intel and its "collaboration" with Apple, even if they are in fact on the same boat, its probably Intel making PPC chips and definately not Apple switching to x86...

[morse]

I "KNOW" that it'll be the new powerbook, the most lucrative personal computer market these days.... And It'll be a G5.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1489094&postcount=213
Interesting thoughts, and I agree. If PC companies have been able to do it, Apple should have been able to do it ages ago. I, too, will be using my credit card this June on a new computer, and if Apple gets their act together and updates their laptops, my money will be their money.

[poundsmack]

Maybe motorola will surprise everyone and release the new low power dual core chips but I doubt it.

ya i wish they would release something like that too...oh wait! e600 :p

[MontyZ]

This will finally be the year Steve Jobs announces the two-button Apple Mouse. So my sources tell me.

[mcadam]

I agree.
I bought my Powerbook 9 months ago and it literally sucks when it comes down to design programs like Sketchup, Illustrator or cinema 4D. As a L4 architecture student I need to create complicated 3d models and photorealistic images, something that I cannot do with my current mac. In fact any file larger than 9Mb is completely unusable in Sketchup and in performance terms that is the equivalent of an 800 MHz Pentium 3. I know that this is probably due to problematic software development, however it is completely inexcusable for a company to advertise their systems as designer’s tools when you cannot actually design on them.

I never had a problem with illustrator!? If you wanna do big complicated 3d modelling perhaps your money would have been better spent on a powermac than on a laptop...


back on topic: oh yes - something revolutionary with a tablet would be nice :D but I am also one of those who suspects that there won't be much coming out... hope I'm wrong.

A

[abrooks]

Personally I'd like to see the PowerBooks, if any update, get Bluetooth v2.0+EDR.

They already do.

[rendezvouscp]

I'm expecting a product announcement/upgrade and some extensions to what's already here today. QuickTime 7 for Windows should come out at WWDC so that h.264 use can be spread worldwide. This'll allow Apple to provide a stream of the keynote afterwards and get some huge numbers for the number of downloads for their Paris keynote. We'll see some cool demos from other companies that are utilizing the new technology in Tiger, and perhaps a nice surprise announcement upgrade.
-Chase

[Piarco]

Personally I'd like to see the PowerBooks, if any update, get Bluetooth v2.0+EDR

They all already do!

All I want, Steve, is a 13.3" widescreen Powerbook, with a nice high resolution, a better gfx card and dual layer DVD±RW... oh, a nice dual core:D

oh, and iSight2.

And iPod 5Gs....

And a 17" Display....

And a Mac Mini 2.......

For the first time in about 8 months of speculation of pre-product releases, this is the first time we all seem to be entirely clueless!

[$MacUser$]

Ive got the goods on the latest mac updates from some "insiders"

The new powermac will have quad intel dual core celerons rated at fifty megahertz a core.

The new powerbook will incorperate a nifty new technology called pentium three and MMX...clocks expected to start at 33mhz

all the rest of apple's hardware and software production and R and D will be haulted immediatly so that microsoft's eventual takeover is a smooth transition.

[poundsmack]

hahaha......if that day ever comes.......time for an uprising

[pigwin32]

Very true. But it is majorly overdue for an update, and apple's got nothing else to do this time around. There is literally nothing else for them to update that's worthwhile at ALL, and I don't really see any cool new products of any size, do you?

Steve doesn't have carl rove working for him: there's gotta be either something quite cool and new, or bad news for apple. Updating ibooks would be the best and easiest way of cutting losses on this one.
Powerbooks, powerbooks, powerbooks (to paraphrase).

There's not a lot of room to move on the iBooks without seriously impacting the Powerbook range, the Powerbooks have maxed out the G4, and the iBooks are due for an update. That means new Powerbooks and that means new processors, either G5's or maybe the new single core e600 or the dual-core MPC8641D. Of course the official line on the freescale processors is sampling second half '05 at 1.5GHz. With the PBs already at 1.67GHz Apple is unlikely to put a single-core e600 into the PB. QED, G5 or dual-core MPC8641D.

[~Shard~]

Powerbooks, powerbooks, powerbooks (to paraphrase).

There's not a lot of room to move on the iBooks without seriously impacting the Powerbook range, the Powerbooks have maxed out the G4, and the iBooks are due for an update. That means new Powerbooks and that means new processors, either G5's or maybe the new single core e600 or the dual-core MPC8641D. Of course the official line on the freescale processors is sampling second half '05 at 1.5GHz. With the PBs already at 1.67GHz Apple is unlikely to put a single-core e600 into the PB. QED, G5 or dual-core MPC8641D.

I share your thoughts on the portable situation, although Apple has already once updated the iBook line to almost match the PowerBook line - it could happen again, since the iBooks are way overdue for an upgrade. Perhaps Jobs will release new iBooks, which will essentially be current PowerBook clones, but announce new and significantly improved PowerBooks as well, only that they may not be shipping until the Paris Expo, or something along those lines to give them some more time.

What I'm hoping is that the PowerBook line as it exists today, for all intents and purposes, becomes the new iBook line, and the new PowerBook line is something significantly better than the current offering. Come on Apple, keep the portable product line competitive!

[SuzieMacFan]

From: http://www.sun.com/june1st/flash.html

"Twenty-three years ago, we at Sun recognized that something very basic was, in its simplicity, profound.

And ever since, this idea has guided our path to many achievements. We've helped enable the collaboration of everyone from automakers to health care providers. We've assisted educators and innovators in shaping the future.

On June 1st, we'll tell you what this simple idea can accomplish next. After all, the stakes have never been higher. The information Age has taken society as far as it can. It's time to move to something bigger.

Something with the potential to involve everyone.

June 1st. Participate, won't you?"

Also!!! June 6th - Steve Jobs will give the keynote address at the Apple World Wide Developers Conference in San Francisco. He usually introduces big new products here - and since he just introduced a new operating system - Tiger OS 10.4 - we know that won't be the big bang that everyone is expecting.

Apple, Sun and Sony have been collaborating for a while - what could they be up to?????

Two quotes:

"The third phase in personal computing is about the desktop machine becoming the digital hub that connects and manages all of your computing devices, from music CD players to TVs.
-Steve Jobs Jan 2002

The next wave of the Internet is going to be huge, and the companies that create products that work together can all be winners.
-Kunitake Ando (President and COO of Sony) Feb 2002

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2005/01/highdefreax/index.php

Also - Ando made an appearance at MacWorld 2005 where Steve Jobs declared 2005 "The Year of High Definition Video." And way back in January of 2000 Jobs announced his intention to make Apple "one of the 10 most profitable Internet companies in the next few years."
http://www.techweb.com/article/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=29112320&site_section=

Here's what people are expecting. http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/the_next_wave_of_the_internet_rolls_in_on_june_1/

- Grid computing to use your computer as a digital hub. Internet, Telephone, Music, Video, etc.

- Apple's iTunes store branching out to include Movies and TV shows. They just recently added music videos to the iTunes store - so this may not be that much of a stretch.

- Air Port Express currently allows people to play their entire iTunes library on speakers throughout their home by attaching the speakers to a tiny little white box. The white Air Port Express box communicates wirelessly to your Mac.
http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
You can attach a number of different speaker systems to your mac by buying additional air ports for $129.
The bummer about this - you have to set and/or change the play list from your PC. So no flipping through your song collection from the couch.

- People expect Air Port Express to soon allow streaming video as well and you can hook up to your TV monitor. But - hey - I want a remote control don't you?

- Apple was granted a patent for a "electronic device" on Tuesday, May 10th, 2005. http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/05/10.18.shtml
People initially thought it might be some sort of tablet PC - but now many speculate that it will be that remote control device we all need to remotely control iTunes from our couch and then select the output for the streaming audio/video from the long list of stereo systems and/or TVs in our house.

All in HD of course! Look at this post from "As Seen On TV" - a supposed Apple Insider who leaks information to slashdot.org. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148958&cid=12485267

"What exactly we offer depends on whose content you're talking about. Some content will be provided to us in 720-by-486 anamorphic, which we'll encode in H.264 at between 1 and 2 megabits. (Did you notice that QuickTime 7 has additional support for anamorphic video? I knew you would.) Other content will come in at HD, and for the time being we'll scale that down to half-HD at 2 Mbps. Doing full 1080/24p at 8 Mbps just isn't practical right now given that even the fastest cable modems in the US top out at 4 Mbps; in order to get real-time streaming of full-HD content, you'd need one of those new-fangled fiber optic Internet services that the telcos are starting to roll out. That's too forward-thinking for phase one. But we can do 2 Mbps now to the same customers we're shipping iTunes songs to."

Other Sources: Neo from MacSimumNews.com
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/the_next_wave_of_the_internet_rolls_in_on_june_1/
Cringely from PBS
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html

[gugy]

I think it's a good thing that it's very quiet out there.
Steve will kick ass at WWDC. He likes the buzz that the conference generates, so be prepared.
I bet Powerbook G5, some sort of DVR and a larger Cinema display.

[freiheit]

just dreaming ---- Steve says ---" oh yea one more thing. Two years ago at this event I promised the G5 at 3 gigs by summer, well " --- crowd goes wild as Steve demos new PM --- then --- "oh just one more thing" Steve intros the dual quad 3.2 ghz ------
got to take my meds

I think this is a real possibility. They fell on their face getting a 3GHz G5 out last year, so this year they'd want to do one better, and since we already know IBM is producing 3.2GHz G5s for all 3 console game systems (which are going to sell tens of millions of units) it seems logical that Apple would now also have access to those.

The more interesting thing is power and heat -- figure an XBox 360 will have 3 3.2GHz G5 processors -- in that little box? Where's the liquid cooling that's needed on the dual 2.7GHz Macs? For that matter, where's the big heat sinks and fans? And the Playstation 3 will also have a 3.2GHz G5 (plus the Cells). And the Nintendo Revolution is at least highly rumored to have a 3.2GHz G5 (maybe 2?). If IBM's got the heat down on these puppies to the point where a 3.2GHz runs cooler than a 2.7GHz, I think there's even a possibility that within the next year we'll see the G5 PowerBook.

[vitrector]

My halucination, SJ will:
1. Announce new QT for windows - talk about how great, amazing, revolutionary the new H.264 codec (he does like to talk about all things MPEG4 a lot)
2. Announce Airport Express AV with 802.11n support
b/c we now have H.264 and 802.11n, we can stream HD video through the air!!!!!!!!!!!

...one more thing:
We already announced that we want to include podcast support in the new iTunes. I hope you all like that idea. But since #1 and #2 will be in place soon we thought you all might like to stream movies you bought in the _iTunes Video Store_ to your TV or projector', too. In HD of course.
We have partnered with Sony, .......... and we are proud to be the first not just in successful online music sales, but soon in video, too.

Just a thought. 'Would tie together what is known and what is rumored to be around the corner - unlike G5 PBs, which are so not around the corner :(

time to wake up and do something productive

[poundsmack]

...and since we already know IBM is producing 3.2GHz G5s for all 3 console game systems

they are not G5's

[~Shard~]

<snip>



Please read through this thread (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050513005029.shtml) explaining why having the XBox chips in a Mac would suck, why running OS X on a XBox would suck, etc., how the chips are different, and why this just simply isn't as easy as you make it out to sound. There are a lot of good points and discussions made throughout the thread.

Also, the XBox does NOT use G5s. First of all, "G5" is Apple's marketing name for the 970 and is not a type of processor itself, and secondly, it's not even the 970 processor which MS is using in the XBox.

And to reinforce things, you would NOT want these console chips in a Mac. IBM's "console chip" if I may call it that, is a special PowerPC - it is far lacking in performance per MHz. It is the only IBM chip that runs at over 3 GHz, and there are 3 of them in the XBox 360 because they are cheap little processors with a higher clock speed.

[Lepton]

6" widescreen display 480x272. OLED. 0.5" thick. Stylus. WiFi. One USB port for keyboard, mouse or printer. No hard disk. The only software it runs is Apple Remote Access, Safari, and Inkwell. Long battery life. $399. Larger screen version available.

You use this to connect via Apple Remote Access to your computer, giving you a second, portable, remote screen. Connects directly to your WiFi home network, or through any WiFi net that is connected to the Internet. You can now control your computer, or any computer with an ARA client that's on the Net, completely. Run all the software on your home computer, check EMail, send files, run iTunes, all from your patio, or from most any hotel lobby or Starbucks world wide.

The Safari and Inkwell lets you connect to any public WiFi system like you were a laptop running Safari.

There you go. Bring it anywhere, connect anywhere there is WiFi and the Net, browse or control your home system.

[poundsmack]

all i want it apple to keep the 12 inch modles of the iBook and Power book. i want a 12 inch iBook once they get an update, its nice to have a computer that will literaly fit into the pocket of a few pairs of jeans i have. :D

[pigwin32]

What I'm hoping is that the PowerBook line as it exists today, for all intents and purposes, becomes the new iBook line, and the new PowerBook line is something significantly better than the current offering. Come on Apple, keep the portable product line competitive!
I've got money in the bank for a new PB but I'm not plunking it down until there's a decent processor in the PB and a new display. Otherwise I think the current Powerbooks are fairly decent, 512MB RAM, 5400RPM hard drive, Gigabit ethernet, built-in airport extreme and bluetooth, what's not to like?

[law guy]

Okay - this link made me want Apple to create an over-the-top line. This Falcon has TWO nVidia 512 MB (each) cards linked in via SLI - for a total of 1024 MB of VRAM. (Can't even get the single 512 on a PM yet), and with liquid cooling, clocks the p4 to 4.25 GHz. Also includes a 600 GB RAID, and goes for over $8,000.00, in a metal case with purple auto-grade paint finish.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1821285,00.asp.

What would our Mac version be (meaning what would a beyond all expectations Mac machine look like - not what would be the Mac to PC equivalent): Twin dual-core 3.2s, with a new SLI for Mac spec allowing the same graphics set up; two 120 GB, 320 MB per sec SCSI drives spinning at 12,000 RPM, and finally get to DDR2.

Any hope such a new beefy line will be announced at WWDC - not so much.

[newamiga]

So with all of the talk of Intel collaboration and the most recent offerings from Palm One, I think we have a clearer view of what might be announced. The new Lifedrive is interesting from Palm One but doesn't do it as eloquently as Apple could. The big difference between the Lifedrive and say the iPod is the processor..
From http://palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7840

The LifeDrive Runs Palm OS Garnet (v5.4.8) on a 416 MHz Intel PXA270 XScale processor. It has built in 4 Gigabyte hard drive (3.85GB user available) and 64MB of internal memory (55MB user available). It has both WiFi and Bluetooth wireless technology and hotsyncing now supports USB 2.0 speeds.

Note the ref to the Intel processor .. Now combine these capabilities with the rumored Airport Express Remote and we might have a winner. It works with the current rumors of Intel integration and could provide a multi-media capable iPod category of device with remote control capabilities. Just some thoughts. :cool:

[gugy]

OK WWDC Wishlist:

Powerbook G5
20" screen HD
second hard drive support
16x dual layer superdrive

Apple DVR

Cinema Display 40"+

Airpot Xpress AV with remote control.

what about Powermac Dual cores G5!

[~Shard~]

OK WWDC Wishlist:

Powerbook G5
20" screen HD
second hard drive support
16x dual layer superdrive

Apple DVR

Cinema Display 40"+

Airpot Xpress AV with remote control.

what about Powermac Dual cores G5!

Well, I guess there's a reason they call it a wishlist... ;)

[gugy]

Well, I guess there's a reason they call it a wishlist... ;)
Yes, there are a lot of wishes but they are viable.
let's see in a week.

[~Shard~]

Yes, there are a lot of wishes but they are viable.
let's see in a week.

My personal wish list has new iBooks on it, but I don't know if they would get shown off at an event like WWDC. Perhaps Jobs will make some PowerBook announcement then, and then the next day (a Tuesday, I believe, how convenient... ;)), Apple could release the new iBooks as well.

Only a week to go!

[aegisdesign]

I'm not sure if I like Apple buying the silence of websites, even if it has been going on for a while. Do we know if other companies do this (i.e. is this standard operating procedure for most companies or something peculiar to Apple)?

Well, it's nicer than if they just embargoed a story and threatened to yank your advertising, which is standard operating procedure for most larger companies and the press.

A true journalist's job is to find out the facts and a company's PR dept is to tell them just enough to keep them sweet. Unfortunately publishers and advertising gets in the way of that little tango. If you're a small guy, pissing off your major advertiser may be principled but commercially stupid.

[aegisdesign]

you know intel makes a few RISC processors. Itanium comes to mind, as well as everything Xscale

I used to use an OKI i860 Intel RISC based UNIX box back in about 1992. It was a great computer at the time too - massive 21" Sony monitor, loads of RAM, 66Mhz and it'd render POVRay scenes in a matter of hours, compared to the couple of days I was used to on my 68040 Amiga.

Intel have been doing RISC since before the PowerPC. Back then I was also using Motorola 88000 based workstations. The merger of the IBM POWER and 88000 was largely what became the PowerPC - plus some little bits from Apple.

Edit Got my dates wrong - it was 1989! and it never quite made 66Mhz. Oddly, it also made it into the NeXTDimension colour board addon for the NeXT Cube as a colour Display Postscript accelerator. It also got used in quite a few laser printers IIRC.

[cr2sh]

The weirdest thing I've seen year to date is Bonjour for windows. I still don't understand it. The idea of a wireless controller or tablet for itunes... connecting and controlling printers. I don't know what's going to happen... but I'm optimistic that this software was released for some reason.

:confused: :)

[AidenShaw]

I've got money in the bank for a new PB but I'm not plunking it down until there's a decent processor in the PB and a new display. Otherwise I think the current Powerbooks are fairly decent, 512MB RAM, 5400RPM hard drive, Gigabit ethernet, built-in airport extreme and bluetooth, what's not to like?

As you said, the CPU and display are weak....

[corywoolf]

Here's what is going to be announced:

- Tiger best selling OS in history of apple
- itunes success talk
- itunes 5.0 w/ support for streaming video/ slideshows
- new itunes music store features
- airport express 2 w/ delayed video streaming
- itunes phone revealed officially
- oh and one more thing
- new ibooks sporting much thinner look along with minor speed bumps, superdrive available for 12" now, 64 MB video card memory, bluetooth standard, higher resolution 14".

(can't wait til the day they have a video store dashboard widget, where you can rent a movie or buy it)

[tsk]

Here's what is going to be announced:

- oh and one more thing
- new ibooks sporting much thinner look along with minor speed bumps, superdrive available for 12" now, 64 MB video card memory, bluetooth standard, higher resolution 14".

Ummm, I hate to tell you but those new "iBooks" have already been released. They're called PowerBooks. And they call the higher res 14" a 15".

[pigwin32]

As you said, the CPU and display are weak....
Without wishing to get into an infinite loop here, I was responding to an earlier post vis:
What I'm hoping is that the PowerBook line as it exists today, for all intents and purposes, becomes the new iBook line, and the new PowerBook line is something significantly better than the current offering. Come on Apple, keep the portable product line competitive!
My point being that the PB is a nice product except that the processor is throttled by the FSB and the display isn't keeping pace with the latest generation of displays. I anticipate Apple is waiting to release a new 15" PB enclosure that will be able to accommodate new displays but doesn't want to modify the existing one. I would surmise the processor is absolutely the reason why we haven't seen new displays to date. There has been little from the rumour mills regarding new PB's lately, not surprising given the current law suits; I can only imagine the paranoia within Apple. Perhaps the signs are right for a release next Tuesday?