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jsw
Jun 2, 2005, 04:17 PM
While I've only been a member for a little over a year, and I've browsed the site for only a little longer than that, I've noticed that every single announcement from Apple has produced a flood of negative criticism, with the possible exception of the recent iMac update (which produced only a small flow of negativity).

Therefore, I'm going out on a limb (not) by predicting that, on the evening of June 6th, there will be a flood of negative threads. In a (likely vain) attempt to focus that flood, perhaps all the outrage could be placed here.

What made you so upset? Post it here. Let me help get you started:

(1) 3.2 GHz PowerMacs were a major disappointment: they weren't dual-core, and they were a year late. The default graphics card sucks.

(2) Quad-2.5 GHz (dual dual-core 2.5GHz) PMs were a disappointment: we were promised 3GHz in 2004, and it's mid-2005 and all we have is something two and a half times as powerful as the original PMG5s. The default graphics card sucks.

(3) The iBook was only bumped to 1.33/1.5GHz w/512MB of RAM. The graphics card still sucks.

(4) The iBook was bumped to 1.33/1.5GHz w/512MB of RAM. Now the PowerBooks are worthless. The graphics card still sucks.

(5) The Mac mini was only bumped to 1.33/1.5GHz w/512MB of RAM. The graphics card still sucks.

(6) The four-button scroll Pro scroll mouse looks great, but we had to wait two freaking decades for it to appear.

(7) The four-button scroll Pro scroll mouse is an abomination to all faithful Mac users; it goes against two freaking decades of good design.

(8) I thought that Asteroid would be a cool new game for my iPod. Instead, it's some dumb GarageBand thingy.

(9) I thought that Asteroid would be a cool new GarageBand thingy. Instead, it's some dumb game for the new all-color iPod lineup. The graphics on the iPods still suck.

(10) They added another user-accessible RAM slot to the 12" PowerBook and dropped the price, but the screen still sucks.

(11) They added a high-res 13" screen to low-end PB, but the graphics card still sucks.

(12) They added a high-res 1920x1080 screen to the 17" PB. Now all the other PBs look like crap by comparison, and the new screen means the graphics card sucks even more.

I don't know what Steve will announce. All I know is that some large fraction of the community will find something wrong with all of it. I suspect that, no matter what (if anything) is announced, the graphics card on it will "suck."

Tamer Brad
Jun 2, 2005, 04:32 PM
Marry me.

oingoboingo
Jun 2, 2005, 04:33 PM
Item 13: The number of people complaining about WWDC suckage will suck.

Pismo
Jun 2, 2005, 04:36 PM
Let's not get ahead of yourself. Let's wait and see what Steve has in store for us. Besides, why are you complaining? I doubt you're going to buy anything anyways. If you're not going to buy, shut your damn mouth.

Tamer Brad
Jun 2, 2005, 04:37 PM
Let's not get ahead of yourself. Let's wait and see what Steve has in store for us. Besides, why are you complaining? I doubt you're going to buy anything anyways. If you're not going to buy, shut your damn mouth.

It's good to read and understand a post before having a fit over it ...

Lacero
Jun 2, 2005, 04:43 PM
Marry me.Nice! Nothing like a spouse to bring out the best in you. ;)

Maxiseller
Jun 2, 2005, 04:59 PM
Let's not get ahead of yourself. Let's wait and see what Steve has in store for us. Besides, why are you complaining? I doubt you're going to buy anything anyways. If you're not going to buy, shut your damn mouth.

Yeh...charming!

Actually, the poster has in fact brought a trusim to our awareness. We all want what we cant have. It's human nature I'm affraid.

modestmelody
Jun 2, 2005, 05:05 PM
Marry me.
I'm in agreement, since if any of those updates happen, that's PRECISELY what the response will be.

Unfortunately, with Apple, "The graphics card still sucks" is a constantly valid argument. Yeah, most users don't need more, but we're paying the price as though we are getting more in that area.

When will they just deliver on graphics? At this rate, never, even with optimization like Quark 2d Extreme.

HiRez
Jun 2, 2005, 05:06 PM
I dunno, I recall the original PM G5 announcement at WWDC was very positively received (and I was there for it), as well as things such as the Mac Mini, Airport Express (except some IMHO legitimate gripes about the lack of remote control), the PowerBook 667/800 DVI upgrade, Final Cut Pro and Motion, Panther, Tiger, iChat, Safari, iTunes, Cinema Display price drops, and others.

Sure, there are always people out there who want the world for $49.00 with a free popsicle, but I also think Apple deserves civilized criticism for lackluster upgrades (the years-long wait for a 50 MHz G4 boost); underpowered or overpriced products (Cube, original .Mac, obsolete and unupgradeable iMac G5 video); expensive or possibly dangerous design flaws (unreplaceable and fast-draining iPod batteries, exploding PB 5300 batteries); vaporware (Copland/Gershwin/Yellow Box); buggy, unfinished, crippled, or languishing software (iWork, OS X 10.0 and 10.1, QuickTime Player, AppleWorks); and the move to constant cash-flow policies such as paid OS upgrades (I'm ok with this but it's a lot of money every year), and constant .Mac and QuickTime Pro upgrade fees.

James Philp
Jun 2, 2005, 05:06 PM
Let's not get ahead of yourself. Let's wait and see what Steve has in store for us. Besides, why are you complaining? I doubt you're going to buy anything anyways. If you're not going to buy, shut your damn mouth.
What's up Pismo?
That's the second aggressive post I've seen tonight!
The original thread was, in fact, not a complaint about WWDC, but about the inevitable fallout!
You ok Mate?

jsw
Jun 2, 2005, 05:15 PM
Yes, actually, I was trying for a bit of humor. Perhaps it was too subtle or, in fact, just not funny. ;)

My point was simply that, no matter what is announced, someone's going to trash it for some reason - and, often, for the exact same reasons someone else loves it.

jsw
Jun 2, 2005, 05:18 PM
Item 13: The number of people complaining about WWDC suckage will suck.
(14) Any really good announcement will be followed by a wave of people complaining that they just bought the previous rev or something they wish they'd waited on so they could buy this new thing, so therefore Apple sucks because they didn't tell this person of their upcoming announcement. Even though the graphics card sucks.

(15) It's not going to be in stock. Apple should have stuck with components they could deliver in quantity.

(16) It's in stock. Apple always uses sucky old hardware that's available because no one else wants it.

jsw
Jun 2, 2005, 05:22 PM
What's up Pismo?
That's the second aggressive post I've seen tonight!
The original thread was, in fact, not a complaint about WWDC, but about the inevitable fallout!
You ok Mate?
New diet (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1496211#post1496211), perhaps?

iindigo
Jun 2, 2005, 05:23 PM
I do agree, where did all the negative energy suddenly come from? About 2 or 3 years ago everyone was happy... Did the introduction of the G5 do this to ya'll or something? sheesh...

dejo
Jun 2, 2005, 05:26 PM
(17) The new four-button scroll Pro scroll mouse is optical and not laser, therefore I'm just gonna throw it in a drawer and get an after-market mouse anyways.

MacsRgr8
Jun 2, 2005, 05:33 PM
(18) Where's my grfx card with hardware H.264 support?

jsw
Jun 2, 2005, 05:37 PM
(18) Where's my grfx card with hardware H.264 support?
(19) The PBs now have H.264 support in hardware, but the battery life is only three and a half hours. That sucks! And it'll be even less if I plug in the new 4-button optical mouse.

Tamer Brad
Jun 2, 2005, 05:43 PM
(20) There's no oven built into the new Powermac! KAJDFLSKJFGLKGGRRRRRRRRR

MacsRgr8
Jun 2, 2005, 05:48 PM
(21) Now, where can I put in my two ATi "Crossfire" grfx cards? I need two PCI-E 16x slots

runninmac
Jun 2, 2005, 05:54 PM
Wow and we all know there will be people b****ing about it latter that night and that if a product is upgraded people a month latter will be asking if they should buy it now or wait. (or at least that seems to happen)

rbo
Jun 2, 2005, 05:56 PM
I do agree, where did all the negative energy suddenly come from? About 2 or 3 years ago everyone was happy... Did the introduction of the G5 do this to ya'll or something? sheesh...
The iHalo effect.

Hmm, sounds like a movie.

Church
Jun 2, 2005, 06:25 PM
(21) Now, where can I put in my two ATi "Crossfire" grfx cards? I need two PCI-E 16x slots

(22) They supported Crossfire, but what about SLI!??!!!

(I'm personally not a fan of nvidia, but if crossfire gets supported, Nvidia fan boys will have a fit :eek: )

Mr. Anderson
Jun 2, 2005, 06:32 PM
I don't know what Steve will announce. All I know is that some large fraction of the community will find something wrong with all of it. I suspect that, no matter what (if anything) is announced, the graphics card on it will "suck."

But this is also Apple's fault at times - they leave you in the dark or hype things beyond their ability to deliver so when you actually see something new its never what you hope it was.

There have been exceptions and some funny things as well. Go back and search the original iPod release threads - tons of negativity on that and look at it today ;)

D

EGT
Jun 2, 2005, 06:36 PM
*Shakes insanely in the corner*

Something good will happen. Something good will happen.

Flying Llama
Jun 2, 2005, 06:47 PM
Haha! When I first saw this title, I thought that I somehow missed WWDC 2005, and MacRumors had nothing to post, since nothing happened. Then I thought, naaa, and clicked the link. :rolleyes:

dotdotdot
Jun 2, 2005, 07:39 PM
(23) Why are the new powerbooks with a new form factor and new design and new everything STILL SO HOT!!!

or

(24) Why are the new powerbooks so cold!? I want my TOASTED NUTS, not frozen ice cubes!

Dr. Dastardly
Jun 2, 2005, 07:55 PM
(25) The new Powerbook G5s dont even come with free burn cream.

Powermacs still not at 3 ghz. I NEED my 300 mhz boost to be able to work in negative time.

javiercr
Jun 2, 2005, 08:07 PM
well apple, just upgrade the graphics cards then! one of those liquid metal cooled ones and most of the complains would go away.

actually, i have a new one, make Ipod, PBs and IBook more SCRATCH RESISTANT , like mobile phones, mini discs etc etc

GFLPraxis
Jun 2, 2005, 08:56 PM
I was going to actually make a post about this. I have never seen ANY thread, no matter how good the news, EVER go without someone rating it negative.


G5 gets faster? Well, now the PowerBooks get slower! Faster G5s are bad news!

PowerBooks get newer, better hardware? No G5! PowerBooks with newer hardware is bad news!

sigh...

law guy
Jun 2, 2005, 09:24 PM
I do agree, where did all the negative energy suddenly come from? About 2 or 3 years ago everyone was happy... Did the introduction of the G5 do this to ya'll or something? sheesh...

I recall a "happy" period after the 12 and 17 PB in 2003. But then it took a long time for those to ship. Less happy. Where's the 15 Alum? Less happy. 15 Alum. Happy, except for the recent TiBook owners. Then folks were talking about how all they had were PM G4s compared to dual 3.whatever Xeon workstations with $1600 FireGL graphics card options from Dell. The PM in June of that year quelled that a bit.
So the HARDWARE happy points seem like peaks between valleys if we chart it. The biggest valleys are probably when expectations are high and the announcements are things like new versions of Quicktime or iPod colors.

Duff-Man
Jun 2, 2005, 09:25 PM
Duff-Man says...and don't forget to mention the countless duplicate threads produced for each and every item that did and did not appear at the show....oh yeah!

Orlando Furioso
Jun 2, 2005, 09:57 PM
Duff-Man says...and don't forget to mention the countless duplicate threads produced for each and every item that did and did not appear at the show....oh yeah!


yet people will be back for more! =)

chatin
Jun 2, 2005, 11:33 PM
I was at a mac store today (it shall go unamed to protect the innocent, or not so innocent) and was able to get my website up on the BIG store screen before an employee politely informed me that "sir, that machine is for store use only!"

They were taking 1.5 hours to upgrade my mac mini to wireless - so sue me!

1) Anyway, I predict that Jobs will say, "thirty years ago" in the keynote.

2) Will pound the table on Tiger vs. Longhaul.

3) Will say that 2005 is the year of HD (even though that Sony HD cam hasn't dropped $1 in price since SF Macworld!)

4) Will announce that Intel processors are shipping in some Mac models starting Q3!

chatin
Jun 3, 2005, 10:06 PM
Your read it on macrumors first in my above post... Yes, Apple is swtiching to Intel for one reason - market share.

The dual cores and giveaway prices to Dell have forced Jobs hand. The WWDC keynote should be one hot ticket! :rolleyes:

jsw
Jun 3, 2005, 10:09 PM
Your read it on macrumors first in my post above Yes, Apple is swtiching to Intel for one reason - market share.

The dual cores and giveaway prices to Dell have forced Jobs hand. The WWDC keynote should be one hot ticket! :rolleyes:
It's only a really big deal if it's not an Intel PPC. Otherwise, it'd be interesting news but no biggie. Regardless, of course, people will complain if they do - or don't - switch to Intel, and, if they switch, if they do - or don't - use a non-PPC chip.