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BreakGuy
Dec 29, 2011, 06:47 PM
After a quick search of this forum, I found this has been suggested twice before, last almost four years ago... perhaps it's time for a revisit of the idea.

I've noticed a lot of threads springing up surrounding AirPort, AirPlay and other networking devices, but no real definitive forum for these to go into. The only two forums that look to have anything to do with AirPort/Networking are the 'Mac Peripherals' and 'Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking', neither of these I feel are sufficient for the large quantity of queries regarding the aforementioned matters.

As AirPort, AirPlay (and networking) is a large part of the Apple universe, perhaps it's time for a separate forum exclusive for these issues.

Your thoughts?

GGJstudios
Dec 29, 2011, 07:06 PM
I don't see how this can be separated to another forum, since many of the networking issues also involve settings on a particular Mac model, as well. Between Apple and non-Apple routers, various Mac models, printers, Time Capsules, iPods, iPhones, iPads, etc., network topics spill over to many areas. I just don't see how all that can be confined to one forum.

BreakGuy
Dec 29, 2011, 07:12 PM
I don't see how this can be separated to another forum, since many of the networking issues also involve settings on a particular Mac model, as well. Between Apple and non-Apple routers, various Mac models, printers, Time Capsules, iPods, iPhones, iPads, etc., network topics spill over to many areas. I just don't see how all that can be confined to one forum.While true, the core issue remains the same. Questions surrounding network setups and troubleshooting are usually resolved with adjusting settings on the affected devices, whether they be a Mac computer, and AirPort device or a 3rd party networking component. Having a forum for just these issues makes it easier to search through and find issues that others have had and the answers. (Nothing worse than having to search all over the board to find an answer that could be located in one forum).

SandboxGeneral
Dec 30, 2011, 10:08 AM
I think this would be a good idea, but make it more generic and not use Apple or other company proprietary names within the title.

Maybe call it a "Computer Networking" forum, which can encompass LAN's, WAN's, routers (wireless & hardwired), switches, firewalls (hardware & software), fiber mux's and general network security.

All this stuff is relevant to OS X & iOS, yet is agnostic towards them and Windows, Linux etc... The protocols remain the same across platforms.

We have Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=123) but that title really limits the scope of what it's intention is for.

I bet munkery (http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=92814) would have plenty to contribute in this field and in this potential new forum.

balamw
Dec 30, 2011, 10:14 AM
Maybe something like this could fly as a sub forum to Mac Basics and Help?

B

Consultant
Dec 30, 2011, 10:27 AM
Yeah most network help threads I've seen are under the 'Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking' section.

But I am guessing more people buy airport products than OS X server

BreakGuy
Jan 4, 2012, 06:48 PM
Would have thought there'd have been a bit more discussion on this issue by now..

Macman45
Jan 4, 2012, 06:52 PM
I think this would be a good idea, but make it more generic and not use Apple or other company proprietary names within the title.

Maybe call it a "Computer Networking" forum, which can encompass LAN's, WAN's, routers (wireless & hardwired), switches, firewalls (hardware & software), fiber mux's and general network security.

All this stuff is relevant to OS X & iOS, yet is agnostic towards them and Windows, Linux etc... The protocols remain the same across platforms.

We have Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=123) but that title really limits the scope of what it's intention is for.

I bet munkery (http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=92814) would have plenty to contribute in this field and in this potential new forum.

I like this...It's a particular field of interest of mine. Having a generic title as suggested by SandboxGeneral is all encompassing and would work well.

miles01110
Jan 5, 2012, 02:07 AM
I don't think there are enough threads to merit a separate networking forum. Then again, we still have "Dsitributed Computing" ...

BreakGuy
Jan 5, 2012, 06:14 PM
I don't think there are enough threads to merit a separate networking forum. Then again, we still have "Dsitributed Computing" ...There are plenty of threads regarding networking and wireless problems to warrant a forum of its own.

miles01110
Jan 6, 2012, 02:57 AM
There are plenty of threads regarding networking and wireless problems to warrant a forum of its own.

Provide evidence to support your claim. I don't see more networking threads than I do battery life threads. Maybe we should create a battery life forum instead.

Macman45
Jan 6, 2012, 03:00 AM
It's really a question of specifics I suppose... But it does seem to make sense to have all router/ wifi / Ethernet / network connectivity issues in one place.

BreakGuy
Jan 6, 2012, 03:29 AM
Provide evidence to support your claim. I don't see more networking threads than I do battery life threads. Maybe we should create a battery life forum instead.These are some of the threads that have sprung up recently regarding Networking, AirPort (AirPlay) etc.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1114681
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1304225
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303781
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303795
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303795
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303734
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1295605
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1304067
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303895
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1302995
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14117294
...

miles01110
Jan 6, 2012, 03:37 AM
Those could all go into Mac Peripherals.

Macman45
Jan 6, 2012, 03:41 AM
I don't think getting bogged down in argument is all that productive. It's sort of a general housekeeping issue. A separate place for all things Network.

BreakGuy
Jan 6, 2012, 03:51 AM
Those could all go into Mac Peripherals.The Mac Peripherals forum description makes no mention of networking or AirPort, thus people get confused as to where to post their threads so they end up all over the place.

miles01110
Jan 6, 2012, 04:00 AM
The Mac Peripherals forum description makes no mention of networking or AirPort, thus people get confused as to where to post their threads so they end up all over the place.

Plenty of people seemed to have figured it out.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303728
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303781
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1300777
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303900
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303795
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303600
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303404
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303512
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1302719
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1302252
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303125
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1301909
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1302787
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1303009
etc.

BreakGuy
Jan 6, 2012, 04:07 AM
I can't figure out why you're so against change. You're really defensive about this whole distinguished networking forum.

miles01110
Jan 6, 2012, 04:15 AM
I can't figure out why you're so against change. You're really defensive about this whole distinguished networking forum.

You have 254 posts. I have over 15,700. This does not mean that my opinion means more than yours, but it does mean that you either a) haven't been around long enough to know why your idea is not a big improvement over the status quo, or b) won't be around long enough to care if it's implemented or not.

Edit: I do agree that putting something about the AEBS or Time Capsule in the Mac Peripherals forum description might help some people, though.

BreakGuy
Jan 6, 2012, 04:19 AM
You have 254 posts. I have over 15,700. This does not mean that my opinion means more than yours, but it does mean that you either a) haven't been around long enough to know why your idea is not a big improvement over the status quo, or b) won't be around long enough to care if it's implemented or not.So what if my post count is substantially lower than yours. Perhaps that's why you don't want a new forum or change at all for that matter. You've become too accustomed to how things are on the board.

And change doesn't benefit just myself, so even if I did decide to leave it will continue to benefit the entire MacRumors community.

Macman45
Jan 6, 2012, 04:22 AM
Constructive debate +1 flaming each other? Why? It does not seem to me to be a question of post counts....Competition or anything else related to a specific members contribution here.

Like I said, just a housekeeping thing. Happy New Year.

Let peace resume!:)

GGJstudios
Jan 6, 2012, 04:29 AM
Post counts and join dates are completely irrelevant to the discussion. :rolleyes: Anyone can offer ideas for improving the forum. The idea will stand or fall based on its own merit, not on the post count or "tenure" of anyone for or against it.

SandboxGeneral
Jan 9, 2012, 08:21 PM
This would be a good thread to be classified in a separate AirPort/networking forum. It's kind of a broad thread covering the AEBS, XBox, HDTV and general networking questions.

Airport Extreme and UPnP, Xbox, Vizio TV, and other issues (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1304522)

balamw
Jan 9, 2012, 08:29 PM
This would be a good thread to be classified in a separate AirPort/networking forum.

So why do you think this particular thread doesn't fit in Mac Peripherals? The Airport Extreme at least is still a Mac Peripheral.

B

SandboxGeneral
Jan 9, 2012, 08:32 PM
So why do you think this particular thread doesn't fit in Mac Peripherals? The Airport Extreme at least is still a Mac Peripheral.

B

It fits the current forum, but I figure that since the user is having the issue with several products, that it could better fit a more generic forum. Especially since the error that is preventing him from using his non-Apple peripherals relates to UPnP, being a Microsoft protocol.

I thought this thread was a good example to use for the promotion of adding this potential new forum. :)

balamw
Jan 9, 2012, 08:46 PM
It fits the current forum

Just checking. ;)

I'm not against the separate forum, but didn't think this thread was that great an example.

B

annk
Jan 10, 2012, 02:39 AM
So why do you think this particular thread doesn't fit in Mac Peripherals? The Airport Extreme at least is still a Mac Peripheral.

B

It fits the current forum, but I figure that since the user is having the issue with several products, that it could better fit a more generic forum. Especially since the error that is preventing him from using his non-Apple peripherals relates to UPnP, being a Microsoft protocol.

I thought this thread was a good example to use for the promotion of adding this potential new forum. :)

There's no reason members can't post about non-Apple peripherals in the Mac Peripherals section. We've always allowed discussions of and questions about competing products in the most closely-related forum. So any issue with a peripheral is fine in that forum, as I see it.

I'm not for or against a change in the forum, but as has already been mentioned we do have a specific forum for networking - Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking. Do some members not post their networking issues there because they don't read the whole title of the subforum, do you think? Do they just miss the word 'networking', or do they think it refers to something else? Would the issue be solved by an info campaign of sorts, to get members to use the "correct" forum? We've seen it before, where members just need to be directed to/reminded about which forum is appropriate. Other members report threads that need to be moved, and for a while it's extra work, but eventually it calms down into a routine.

Like I said, I'm not for or against a change in the forum structure. I just feel that since new forums make the front forum page more or a challenge to navigate, we should be sure the need isn't already covered by an existing subforum before we add a new category.

BreakGuy
Jan 10, 2012, 03:37 AM
I'm not for or against a change in the forum, but as has already been mentioned we do have a specific forum for networking - Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking. Do some members not post their networking issues there because they don't read the whole title of the subforum, do you think? Do they just miss the word 'networking', or do they think it refers to something else? Would the issue be solved by an info campaign of sorts, to get members to use the "correct" forum? We've seen it before, where members just need to be directed to/reminded about which forum is appropriate. Other members report threads that need to be moved, and for a while it's extra work, but eventually it calms down into a routine.

Like I said, I'm not for or against a change in the forum structure. I just feel that since new forums make the front forum page more or a challenge to navigate, we should be sure the need isn't already covered by an existing subforum before we add a new category.You definitely raise an excellent point about the challenges adding additional forums incurs. However, I strongly feel that the Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking subforum is not appropriate for a couple of reasons.
Generally speaking, networking issues involve hardware and devices, not the operating system and thus giving the impression the aforementioned subforum is for networking issues regarding the Mac operating system and not the modems/routers and other hardware components of a network.
Secondly, the "Mac OS X Server, Xserve" piece of the subforum title drastically misguides people. More often that not people don't use OS X Server or Xserve in their homes and as a result, people through no fault of their own, are all too frequently misled to believe the networking aspect is reserved for professional (for lack of a better word) networks as OS X Server as Xserve would be.
If a new forum exclusively for networking problems is not an appropriate resolution to this issue, perhaps removing the "Networking" from the title of Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking subforum and adding a subforum to the Mac Peripherals forum for these networking issues would be a better proposition. Doing this would see a more organised board, not to mention a more easily contained and searchable area for these threads to be housed within as opposed to the scattered threads that seem to be in almost every forum.

SandboxGeneral
Jan 10, 2012, 09:08 AM
Do some members not post their networking issues there because they don't read the whole title of the subforum, do you think? Do they just miss the word 'networking', or do they think it refers to something else?

That's a hard one to answer and certainly debatable. I suppose if I didn't notice the existing forum under the main forum of 'Mac OS X,' I would probably post a networking question in the 'Mac Basics and Help' forum as a catch all.

Would the issue be solved by an info campaign of sorts, to get members to use the "correct" forum?

I assume you mean by campaign, to post a note at the top of the forum page and Spy page like was done when iOS 5 was released to get folks to move all related content there. That would be an idea, but I doubt it would be readily worth doing that for just a simple networking forum which won't ever see the amount of traffic that iOS or a new version of OS X would get.

We've seen it before, where members just need to be directed to/reminded about which forum is appropriate. Other members report threads that need to be moved, and for a while it's extra work, but eventually it calms down into a routine.

Like I said, I'm not for or against a change in the forum structure. I just feel that since new forums make the front forum page more or a challenge to navigate, we should be sure the need isn't already covered by an existing subforum before we add a new category.

I'm not about trying to create more work for admins/mods and as a minimalist at heart, I fully understand not wanting to further complicate and clutter the main forum page.

With the demise of the Xserve last year, I doubt there will be a lot of generated discussion regarding it as time goes on. I did a quick search of 'Xserve' and found the following number of posts in 2011:

Xserve posts by category:
4 - In News Discussion (Regarding the announcement of it's demise)
5 - In the Marketplace
15 - In the current forum in question
9 - Throughout other various forums

With that said, perhaps Xserve could be broken off separately and moved under the Apple Hardware --> Desktops sub-forum. Then under Apple Systems and Services --> Mac OS X forum could be:


Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
Mac OS X Server
Computer Networking


Looking at the main forum page, there isn't any real easy way to accomplish a change, and keep it from getting overly complicated, but I edited a screenshot of what it could look like.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49002863/forum.jpg

BreakGuy
Jan 10, 2012, 11:57 PM
Here are my intentions in a visual format. It's still a very clean look. And not a lot of additional, if any work for the moderators/administrators.
http://i42.tinypic.com/1z5m7td.png

As you can see, a new subforum under Mac Peripherals for the networking threads and secondly, the removal of the 'Networking' mentioning in the subforum title leaving just Mac OS X Server and Xserve.

840quadra
Jan 11, 2012, 08:09 AM
IMO as a user not a moderator, I think a dedicated area for the various types of networking to Apple / Macintosh products could be useful. In addition to what others have stated, these networking topics are often orphaned inside of other nested forums, related to the core product one is using.

For instance, someone with a Macbook Pro VPN question, will often place their thread in the MacBook Pro forum, or someone with an iMac, may place it in that products area. In the current format, they aren't really wrong in doing so, but they may not get the attention of people in the Mac Pro Forum that may have some more information on that subject.

I don't know how it would fit into the Hierarchy overall, but perhaps a forum that could encompass many of the IT heavy discussions over networking MAC products could be a useful space, especially if it dissolves one or 2 current forums or sub-forums.

Macintosh LAN / WAN / VPN and Wireless Discussions

mvmanolov
Feb 2, 2014, 04:43 PM
Bump:

Perhaps there is more space for discussion/poling user base... It appears from this thread that most replies to it are either in favour of the idea or ambivalent... Maybe it's time to get back on that horse again...?

I think with the increased dependence on WiFi - not that 2012 was much different i acknowledge that - and the increased number of alternatives (non apple products) which many people depend on to have their apple products function it would be nice to have a dedicated section where someone could ask about speeding up their network, or what a jumbo frame is, or it ipv6 is something they should get into, or how their asus/netgear/cisco etc. router should be configured so that they are safe on the net....

There are a number of forums out there, which deal with these kinds of issues but information about the various scenarios with an :apple: product at the end of the line are quite scattered and difficult to find.

One of the best things about Macrumors, i find is that i can google most issues and have a MR thread pop up, so i used the service and finally decided to join... (as many of us have) So would it not be nice to have a more centralized space to the Networking sids of things, after all how many Apple product consumers/users are not part of some work/home network over which they have some control/influence?

For those of us who are enthusiast we could benefit from a centralized space to ask difficult questions that people with expertise can help out with, and for the experts it could be a nice space to hang out in... ;) And also easily follow new threads, for new ideas to improve our own networks...

I think what was said in regards to the "Networking" being appended to xserv category has some merit, however i'd suggest that one would see a lot more traffic through a dedicated category and more traffic = more solutions to peoples problems/questions/challanges...

One last thing, as i was pointed to tho thread for indication that this is "not going to happen", and i mean this in the most respectful way possible, there is no indication in this thread as to "why?" its not going to happen. So, back to my previous suggestion, perhaps its time for a "admin-sponsored" poll?