Really switching to Intel!!??

[mediababy]

Everytime I read a post (hundreds) that fears Intel processors because of viruses, supposed slowness & poor quality.... I just have to wonder how much all these comments are qualified ? Intel makes great processors as does AMD. They don't have anything to do with making it easy for viruses to exist. A poor quality OS & software do that..... NOT THE PROCESSOR.

Apple makes a great stable operating system & Intel makes great chips. This is a winning combination if brought to fruition. Especially with dual-core chips & eventually dual core running multiprocessor quad in the near future. G5 processors are nothing special.

Apple is a great OS & application designer (& Marketer).

It sounds like they have practically brainwashed customers over the "Awesome Almighty Power Of THE G5!!!!!"
People should look around before they get all worked up over the possible loss of G5.

[nishishei]

Does this mean, at the end of an Apple Macintosh commercial, there'll be an Intel logo with Dun! dun-dun-dun-dun! :confused:

[iMeowbot]

Does this mean, at the end of an Apple Macintosh commercial, there'll be an Intel logo with Dun! dun-dun-dun-dun! :confused:
If they ever broadcast new Mac commercials? Quite possibly.

I wouldn't put it past Apple to do an iPod ad with the shadow dancers dressed in bunny suits, though.

[Morgenster]

How about Apple looking to Intel for a new handheld device?
What about the cell processor?
And last but not least: Why not consider the possibility of Apple making Marklar publicly available (which would require some collaboration with Intel to get the most out of the x86 architecture)?
Remember that MS have a windows version running off Power architecture. Cell (according to a few people) is poised to take over the PC market in the next decade. If Apple could let a wider base of users get the hang of OS X by the time cell breaks through and delivers...

Or maybe this is all bull :D

[bpuk]

face it people, this intel switch is going to happen. and, my guess, it will signal the end of mac-specific hardware. apple will become an OS-only company, along with a handful of "consumer devices" that they'll manufacture.

there's no way they'll be able to make the margins on computer hardware necessary to compete. and, there won't be any incentive for users to buy an overpriced apple PC when you can have any customised pc you want running OSX.x

just wait and see.... i'm not happy about it, but i'm not suprised either

[skunk]

face it people, this intel switch is going to happen. and, my guess, it will signal the end of mac-specific hardware. apple will become an OS-only company, along with a handful of "consumer devices" that they'll manufacture.One word: poop.

[bpuk]

One word: poop.

look how much effort apple has made in acquiring/diversifying into high-end software like FCP and Logic.

going UNIX for the OS was the first step in this progression to moving away from hardware. it all adds up!

[skunk]

look how much effort apple has made in acquiring/diversifying into high-end software like FCP and Logic.

going UNIX for the OS was the first step in this progression to moving away from hardware. it all adds up!47% of Apple profits come from Mac hardware.

[prechrchet]

47% of Apple profits come from Mac hardware.

Any idea how much of this comes from iPods and how much comes from laptops/desktops?

[skunk]

Any idea how much of this comes from iPods and how much comes from laptops/desktops?That's all from laptops/desktops.

[weg]

look how much effort apple has made in acquiring/diversifying into high-end software like FCP and Logic.

going UNIX for the OS was the first step in this progression to moving away from hardware. it all adds up!

Well.. if Apple stops developing OS X for PPC then I'll finally install Linux as main OS on my brand new Powerbook. I hope that Airport Extreme will be supported by Linux sooner or later.

[groovebuster]

face it people, this intel switch is going to happen. and, my guess, it will signal the end of mac-specific hardware. apple will become an OS-only company, along with a handful of "consumer devices" that they'll manufacture.

there's no way they'll be able to make the margins on computer hardware necessary to compete. and, there won't be any incentive for users to buy an overpriced apple PC when you can have any customised pc you want running OSX.x
I am not that sure that Apple will stop bulidng Mac-Hardware. Technically any company could build a Mac clone based on PPC architecture, but Apple is preventing it by firmware that is necessary to run the OS.

I am pretty sure that Apple will still develop own motherboards for an own line-up of PowerMacs and Laptops. All the other peripherals/components are PC standard anyway already (HDs, RAM, USB, DVI, PCI cards, etc...pp).

If Apple would not do this they would openly compete with Microsoft, which won't happen any time soon. M$ would be majorly pissed.

In addition Apple makes still a lot of money with their HW. With a world wide market share of about 1-2% they would shoot themselves with a move like that.

Maybe that's an option on the long run, when Apple has a market share of about 15-20%. But not now...

groovebuster

[nomore]

face it people, this intel switch is going to happen. and, my guess, it will signal the end of mac-specific hardware. apple will become an OS-only company, along with a handful of "consumer devices" that they'll manufacture.

there's no way they'll be able to make the margins on computer hardware necessary to compete. and, there won't be any incentive for users to buy an overpriced apple PC when you can have any customised pc you want running OSX.x

Mac sales growth is the highest in the industry.

[MarcelV]

face it people, this intel switch is going to happen. and, my guess, it will signal the end of mac-specific hardware. apple will become an OS-only company, along with a handful of "consumer devices" that they'll manufacture.

there's no way they'll be able to make the margins on computer hardware necessary to compete. and, there won't be any incentive for users to buy an overpriced apple PC when you can have any customised pc you want running OSX.x

just wait and see.... i'm not happy about it, but i'm not suprised either

Then why the heck ar ethey opeing Apple Stores rapidly and expanding their retail outlets? That doesn't make sense if they are a software and services company only, does it? Hardware does not go away. Going Intel does not mean an open system. Most people don't seem to realize that.

I have to agree with Mediababy (see above): What's wrong with you people? Virusses, instability has all to do with OS and an open hardware system, not Intel itself. Intel makes some great chipsets and has some powerful chips coming up in the next year or 2. By example: in the pipeline is a double-core 3.7 Ghz Xeon processor with FSB on 1066 MHz. And I don't see PPC to beat that soon. That's probably one variant Apple will use in their hardware. I can't imagine Steve selling OS/X to run on your eMachines and loose control over the OS. BTW only 5 1/2 hours to go and we will know what Steve has up his sleeve. :)

[jaw04005]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)

[Dont Hurt Me]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)
Yeah! Motorola has stunk for years,example best cpu 1.67G4 :rolleyes: Now look at AMD and Intel.all you can do is laugh....should have done this years ago before they hit rock bottom of 3%. Anyways this is good

[sedarby]

Since Jobs likes choices(options), then maybe iLife for other OS platforms may be in the offing. I would embrace this decision since I know I for one would love to be able to use Garageband on my existing machines.

[iGary]

http://homepage.mac.com/garybooberry/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-06-06%2005.21.59%20-0700/Image-61AF7327D68511D9.jpg

[drison]

http://homepage.mac.com/garybooberry/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-06-06%2005.21.59%20-0700/Image-61AF7327D68511D9.jpg

Ha! Love it. The avatar is quite hilarious too, especially given your opinion on dell vs. apple displays. :D

[minimax]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)

OMG let's hope this is true. That would mean a low-powerpc by Intel.

[dicklacara]

Way back in this thread, I speculated:

--Apple was not going to ditch & switch PPC chips/MBs for Intel chips/MBs

--Rather, Apple would offer a CPU option (Intel-based or PPC-based) on Apple's computers, as appropriate.

--That OS X 10.4 already runs on Intel-based CPUs

--That OS X 10.4 (for Intel) will only run on Mac/Intel boxes or those configurations that Apple blesses (licenses)

--That Apple has (or will) recompile and tweak Apple-branded apps to exploit either/both CPU options

--That Apple has Integrated QuickTransit into OS X 10.4 so that existing 3rd-party Mac apps will run on new Mac/Intel boxes an 80% full speed (the dip may not even be noticeable)

--That Apple will provide tools to assist developers to port their apps to run 100% on both CPU architectures as single Fat binaries

--That the same process could be used in reverse from Intel architecture to PPC architecture

--So, developers on either side had potential new markets for their products with very little effort.

The big gotcha, was (I thought) that the apps on both sides had to run on Unix/Linux-- the technique could not be used for wintel apps.

I speculated that if QuickTransit could be extended to encompass wintel apps that:

--Current wintel apps running under OS X 10.4 with QuickTransit on a Mac/Intel box would run, without change, at closer to 100% (no need to translate the CPU instructions)

--Current wintel apps running under OS X 10.4 with QuickTransit on a Mac/PPC box would run, without change, at 80% (the dip may not even be noticeable)

If this were true (QuickTransit for Wintel) then there would be a set of hardware and an OS that could run all the current Mac and Wintel apps, without change, on the CPU of your choice... without all the maleware baggage of the windows OS.

That was/is a big IF!

While, in my gut, I felt that QuickTransit for wintel was a done deal, I couldn't find any reference to (or even any discussion of) running wintel apps on OS X via QuickTransit.

Well, this morning I found this link:

http://www.architosh.com/news/2004-09/2004c-0914_quicktran.phtml
(http://www.architosh.com/news/2004-09/2004c-0914_quicktran.phtml)

A silicon valley startup has cracked one of the most elusive goals of the software industry: a near universal operating system emulator which will allow any software written for any particular target platform to run nearly full speed on just about any other platform. This means that a program such as Autocad for x86 (Pentium chips) on Windows can be installed on a Linux box running on IBM's POWER 5. Or that Microsoft ACCESS for Windows on Intel can run at full speed on Mac OS X on PowerPC.

Mmm... this gives me some confidence... maybe it is a done deal, after all!

Dick

[Lancetx]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)

That would be interesting. A new Intel chip for PowerBooks/iBooks and Mac minis. With the G5 staying in the Power Macs and iMacs is what that could mean.

[jiggie2g]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)


Analyst know as much about this as u and me. You should never trust them , they are fully of crap 80% of the time.

[primalman]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)

Actually, this makes the most sense, as Freescale/Motorola is way, way more into the embedded market, while IBM is not as far.

People are forgetting that IBM benefits from Apple's pushing them to provide better tech for desktop PPCs - IBM uses them in their own systems. And tech can be moved to other chip designs, as they have done with Cell.

It makes far more sense that Intel is becoming a fab for G4 and G4-esque chips...remember, the articles even said that "low-end" systems would move to Intel-based chips first.

We'll see.

[shompa]

Then why the heck ar ethey opeing Apple Stores rapidly and expanding their retail outlets? That doesn't make sense if they are a software and services company only, does it? Hardware does not go away. Going Intel does not mean an open system. Most people don't seem to realize that.

I have to agree with Mediababy (see above): What's wrong with you people? Virusses, instability has all to do with OS and an open hardware system, not Intel itself. Intel makes some great chipsets and has some powerful chips coming up in the next year or 2. By example: in the pipeline is a double-core 3.7 Ghz Xeon processor with FSB on 1066 MHz. And I don't see PPC to beat that soon. That's probably one variant Apple will use in their hardware. I can't imagine Steve selling OS/X to run on your eMachines and loose control over the OS. BTW only 5 1/2 hours to go and we will know what Steve has up his sleeve. :)

the 3.7ghz Xeon has 37 stages in its pipe.
The g5 has 17 stages.

The FSB in Xeon is quad pumped 1066 mhz. That is 266 i real life.
The FSB in G5 is real 1.25ghz

Have you used a Xeon?
Try to do some mpeg2 work, and you will know what I mean.

[whooleytoo]

Funny, I was just reading this thread and turned around to see the same story on the 'ticker' on CNN. Hard to believe it's not going to happen now.

It's going to be an interesting sell, after years of 'smoking' Intels, now we're going to adopt them?

I wonder if there will be any anti-trust implications of this, if Apple does indeed go for a closed Intel based platform?

[iMeowbot]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.
That may not mean too much. The story so far includes the tidbit that lower end machines would be switched first, and that means Freescale first.

[MarcelV]

the 3.7ghz Xeon has 37 stages in its pipe.
The g5 has 17 stages.

The FSB in Xeon is quad pumped 1066 mhz. That is 266 i real life.
The FSB in G5 is real 1.25ghz

Have you used a Xeon?
Try to do some mpeg2 work, and you will know what I mean.

You're correct. However, like MPEG2/MPEG4 can easily be offset with a extra MPEG chipset (cheap and dedicated), which will be much more efficient. And I don't see this CPU replace the top end G5. And, based on all the reports, neither sees Apple it that way. But it could be the start for phasing out Freescale. And it for sure beat that processor.....

[bokdol]

so does this mean the end of the dual core freescale (G4) chips?

[Dagless]

well my lecturer has a fantastic theory.


Apple is rumored to be dropping IBM and the PPC just before the keynote.

Apple really announce they have bought/will be buying Freescale. this gets IBM all worried so they start paying more attention to Apple. and its a major happy time when people think steve is going to announce the end of OSX on the PPC but infact shouts from the rooftops the complete opposite. and then we love Apple more. and we see faster chips appearing.

i honestly cant see this whole X86 thing happening.

[deputy_doofy]

CNBC's analysts are reporting this morning that it's Freescale (Motorola) that Apple is ditching and not IBM.

We will see in a few hours! ;)

Doofy suggested this idea yesterday. What if Apple is using high-powered Intel chips to emulate better G4's? Yeah, it's a stretch, but not impossible. I'd support it. :D

[Billy Boo Bob]

I honestly cant see this whole X86 thing happening.

How many times do people have to say it... Just because they're talking about Intel doesn't mean X86.

[emotion]

so does this mean the end of the dual core freescale (G4) chips?

the end?

there hasn't been a start yet.

[isaacc7]

How many times do people have to say it... Just because they're talking about Intel doesn't mean X86.

Or to look at it more creativly, it doesn't mean that they will ditch PPC acrhitecture regardless of what chip they use as a CPU. Chips are powerful enough right now that they could run the OS and all the apps on a virtual PPC CPU. The actual architecture of the CPU being used isn't all that important in this situation. This could be done right now with lower end machines and laptops. In a couple of years, the performance of CPUs across the board will be high enough that even "power users" will be OK with it. The advantage of this is that Apple could then pick chips from whatever company offered them the best deal. Why have your OS tied to any particular physical chip at all?

Isaac

[Bad_JuJu]

Fasct : IBM has dropped the ball again and again
Fact : Both Intel and MSFT looks at Apple with respect and envy.

- Apple is an unbridled innovator
- OS X is seen as clearly advanced
- Its product design and user focus are admired


Intel is about to gain a major jewel in its crown !

MSFT will not be happy with this deal !

Apple now has an unlimited supply of evolving chips every year for desktop - laptop - servers - work stations.


ENGAGE ALL STABILIZERS !!! BRACE FOR TURBULENCE !!!! BEAM DOWN THE MARKETING PARTY !!!

[gangst]

I think a move to x86 or whatever it could be, will take the dignity form OS X.
Some may argue that its good that we will have the latest hardware etc.
But I think Apple will lose out as OS X will lose its exclusitivity, because if Apple are going to sell x86 computers then surely won't people who build their own PC's be able to put OS X on their home builds? Making OS X thouroughly pirated like Windows XP.
Also, I doubt the transition will be smooth and probably it will be terribly slow, and worse than the transition from OS 9 to X.
OS X will also quickly becomed riddled with viruses, malware, spyware etc...

All in all the exclustivity of buying Apple will be gone. And there may be two terrible operating systems, I dread to think of it.

However, I think this will be a good move to Intel, if we get good chips which are not x86 and therefore not compatible with homebuild computers etc.
If this is the case, this could mean the coming of faster Macs, and possibly more market share.

[Dont Hurt Me]

so does this mean the end of the dual core freescale (G4) chips?
Lets hope so because they have for the most part had No progress in years. Just aint interested in computers they want to make chips for toaster ovens and cars :rolleyes: I hope Steve puts that whole Boot up their........

[isaacc7]

I think a move to x86 or whatever it could be, will take the dignity form OS X.
Some may argue that its good that we will have the latest hardware etc.
But I think Apple will lose out as OS X will lose its exclusitivity, because if Apple are going to sell x86 computers then surely won't people who build their own PC's be able to put OS X on their home builds? Making OS X thouroughly pirated like Windows XP.
Also, I doubt the transition will be smooth and probably it will be terribly slow, and worse than the transition from OS 9 to X.
OS X will also quickly becomed riddled with viruses, malware, spyware etc...

All in all the exclustivity of buying Apple will be gone. And there may be two terrible operating systems, I dread to think of it.

However, I think this will be a good move to Intel, if we get good chips which are not x86 and therefore not compatible with homebuild computers etc.
If this is the case, this could mean the coming of faster Macs, and possibly more market share.


Dignity? Give me an effing break. This is a computer we're talking about, not your honor... Seriously, people that are against this move have way too much of themselves invested in their computer. I'll say it again, IT"S ONLY A CPU! Get over it, as long as the OS is the same and the Apps are the same, who cares what kind of chip will be used? In addition, all the nasty things like malware, viruses, etc are WINDWOS problems, NOT x86 problems. In addition, why do you think that Steve will open up to home builders? I can go out and buy G4 and G3 processors right now, how many people are building their own macs? Talk about FUD, this post takes the cake...

Isaac

[Bad_JuJu]

Dignity? Give me an effing break. This is a computer we're talking about, not your honor... Seriously, people that are against this move have way too much of themselves invested in their computer. I'll say it again, IT"S ONLY A CPU! Get over it, as long as the OS is the same and the Apps are the same, who cares what kind of chip will be used? In addition, all the nasty things like malware, viruses, etc are WINDWOS problems, NOT x86 problems. In addition, why do you think that Steve will open up to home builders? I can go out and buy G4 and G3 processors right now, how many people are building their own macs? Talk about FUD, this post takes the cake...

Isaac


Well said - if your computer system is your identity - you've got some reality issues. And if your computer system AND your CPU are your identity .... its time to check into rehab.


Get a grip --- and hold on BTW I see a few bumps ahead
:D :D :D :eek:

[neonart]

I think a move to x86 or whatever it could be, will take the dignity form OS X.
Some may argue that its good that we will have the latest hardware etc.
But I think Apple will lose out as OS X will lose its exclusitivity, because if Apple are going to sell x86 computers then surely won't people who build their own PC's be able to put OS X on their home builds? Making OS X thouroughly pirated like Windows XP.
Also, I doubt the transition will be smooth and probably it will be terribly slow, and worse than the transition from OS 9 to X.
OS X will also quickly becomed riddled with viruses, malware, spyware etc...

All in all the exclustivity of buying Apple will be gone. And there may be two terrible operating systems, I dread to think of it.

However, I think this will be a good move to Intel, if we get good chips which are not x86 and therefore not compatible with homebuild computers etc.
If this is the case, this could mean the coming of faster Macs, and possibly more market share.


:rolleyes:

How many times does this need to be explained.

1)If Apple still makes their motherboards as they have so far and they have their own chipset, you cannot just build a MacTel. It's very simple.
2) Viruses and spyware ARE SOFTWARE DEPENDENT. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHIPS USED.

We should all inform ourselves just a little before we freak out. And the keynote is in just a few minutes. We'll be much better informed then. In the meantime lets not drown in a glass of water.

[bigandy]

i can see this being a threat from mr jobs if ibm don't get their collective arses in gear with powering up the G5s and getting them into PBs, but i think, i HOPE, it's an empty threat.

[eVolcre]

Is this the thread where we're discussing the events as trhey're happening? i cant load the IRC thing from work but have the live feed on. Is there another thread I should be looking at or is this the one? whats the poplar opinion?

[SiliconAddict]

How many times do people have to say it... Just because they're talking about Intel doesn't mean X86.


Why do I get the impression that even if Steve does announce it you are still going to have people saying its a smoke screen until the day x86 Macs show up at the Apple store and even then....

[eVolcre]

10:12 am steve wearing all black
10:05 am Steve takes the stage
9:59 am *music playing*
9:46 am testing 1234
9:43 am Doors to hall are open
People beginning to take seats
5:33 pm steve wearing all black
5:33 pm 109 stores worldwide



HOLLY CRAP! Steve's RDF is on overdrive!!! :eek:

RDF?

[SiliconAddict]

I think the live site may be broken...

Yah. Its gone. I hope MR's has a backup because there are going to be A LOT of pissed off people. My theory is that Steve's RDF filtered back across the wire and took out the server. MacRumor’s firewall is no match for Steve’s Reality Distortion Field.

[SiliconAddict]

RDF?

Its an old joke about Steve. He has a Reality Distortion Field that can alter whatever he talks about into being the best news EVAR.

[eva01]

next OS to be leopard

[emaja]

Damn it!!!! The live feed isn't working. this is all i see

"5:33 pm 5 major versions of OS X

WHAt 5 major versoins????

10.0
10.1
10.2
10.3
10.4

[SiliconAddict]

WHAt 5 major versoins????


OS X.0
OS X.1
OS X.2
OS X.3
OS X.4

[SiliconAddict]

How many times do people have to say it... Just because they're talking about Intel doesn't mean X86.


Well in this case it does. Hell has officially gotten an ice rink.

[MacTruck]

Leopard

Apple's next major operating system release will be called Leopard, said Jobs. "We're not going to be focusing on it today, but we intend to release Leopard at the end of 2006 or early 2007, right about the time Microsoft expects to release Longhorn," he said.

The rumors are true: Intel will be inside

[eVolcre]

OS X.0
OS X.1
OS X.2
OS X.3
OS X.4


I'm confused. 10.4 is tiger. Which is the 5th "major version" So what's Leapord? Is that OS XI? Or OSX 10.5 - ?

[eVolcre]

What does that mean? That OSX will run on ANY intel chip? Or that there will be a special MAC version only? If it's the latter why shoul dwe care? And why would hell freeze over?

[StkhlmSyndrm23]

Well we new Steve would pull his RDF theatrics...his entire presentation has been run by an Intel-based Mac apparently. There you have it...

[broken_keyboard]

From AppleInsider.com:

INTEL RUMORS TRUE: Jobs says there have been two major transitions for Mac: 68K to PowerPC and then Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Now it's time for third transition to Intel-based Macs. Developers will begin to make the transition now. While users can begin to switch next year. Apple is making the move "because we want to make the best computers for our customers."

[eVolcre]

Well we new Steve would pull his RDF theatrics...his entire presentation has been run by an Intel-based Mac apparently. There you have it...


I guess I still don't understand what this means? Running on a Intel chip does that mean that ANY intel machine can run OSX??? So all the WINTEL machines can now use OSX instead of windows?? :confused:

[Saxking20]

[QUOTE=eVolcre]It's broken dude. www.macrumorslive.com

Or appleinsider but I can't get through.

Thanks for the reply.

[emaja]

I guess I still don't understand what this means? Running on a Intel chip does that mean that ANY intel machine can run OSX??? So all the WINTEL machines can now use OSX instead of windows?? :confused:

Probably not. Steve does not like to do business on someone else's terms, so I am sure that there is a hardware "something" that will keep OS X from running on a standard WinTel PC.

[Dm84]

This press release about the switch was just issued by Apple and addresses our fears of things like Office for Mac going extinct. Adobe is on board as well.

Apple to Use Intel Microprocessors Beginning in 2006

6 June 2005, 1:30pm ET, PR Newswire

WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO, June 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple(R) announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh(R) computers using Intel(R) microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS(R) X Tiger, running on an Intel- based Mac(R) to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs' keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple's software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs.

"Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "It's been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel's technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years."

"We are thrilled to have the world's most innovative personal computer company as a customer," said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel. "Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come."

"We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors," said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit. "We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform."

"We think this is a really smart move on Apple's part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors," said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe.

The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $999 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. Further information for Apple Developer Connection members is available at developer.apple.com. Intel plans to provide industry leading development tools support for Apple later this year, including the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Apple, Intel Fortran Compiler for Apple, Intel Math Kernel Libraries for Apple and Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for Apple.

Intel ( www.intel.com ), the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award- winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music players and iTunes online music store.

NOTE: Apple, the Apple logo, Mac, Mac OS and Macintosh are trademarks of Apple. Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries. Other company and product names may be trademarks of their respective owners.

SOURCE Apple Computer, Inc.
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[eVolcre]

Probably not. Steve does not like to do business on someone else's terms, so I am sure that there is a hardware "something" that will keep OS X from running on a standard WinTel PC.


So why is this having such a dramatic effect on Mac people? I mean, all thats changing is a chip inside right? Why does it matter os much? MACS will still be "exclusive" and OSX will still only run on 'MACS' right?

[StkhlmSyndrm23]

Did anyone else catch that Leopard is going to debut at the same time as Longhorn (potentially before given Microsofts problems)...that is very big news. New version of Xcode available today, too. Get ready.

[eVolcre]

Did anyone else catch that Leopard is going to debut at the same time as Longhorn (potentially before given Microsofts problems)...that is very big news. New version of Xcode available today, too. Get ready.


So what does that mean or signify? sorry for all the dumb questions but I'm just a sales guy, need you techies to explain things to me in "big animal pictures" :)

(btw i was a IBM salesperson for 7 years and gave my final two presentation on my powerbook. hehehe)

[emaja]

So why is this having such a dramatic effect on Mac people? I mean, all thats changing is a chip inside right? Why does it matter os much? MACS will still be "exclusive" and OSX will still only run on 'MACS' right?

I don't understand it either. Mac work. Windows PCs need much more effort to work well.

Mac OS is superior to Windows, and if it runs on the same CPU, it will only show MS in a worse light than they are in now.


It seems like Jobs really wants to stick it to MS. I hope he is right on this.

[markie]

Don't bet on it if it's Intel-x86. Just as people have hacked the Xbox to run normal Windows, they will get Mac OS X running on normal x86 PCs

[eVolcre]

I mean, it's dramatic if he said that OSX would run on all "windows machines" but it seems like to run OSX you still have to buy a "MAC" except it has a x86 chip inside right? Or am i missing something?

[eVolcre]

engadget

10:46am PDT - Demo: MS Word PowerPC binary on Intel. Excel spreadsheet. They’re no notably slower than usual. Photoshop still takes forever to load, but all the plugins work.

Woah, you can run windows on an XBOX? what ever for? so you can use the XBOX as a personal computer?

[eVolcre]

10:49am PDT - Select and premier ADC member software developers will be getting a build kit.

10:50am PDT - Roz Ho, General Manager of Microsoft’s Macintosh Business Unit, is onstage to talk about what MS is doing for the Intel platform.

Hey is anyone even reading these updates or should I stop posting them?

Some bug guns up there, Apple, Intel, MS

[broken_keyboard]

I'm glad they included 'Rosetta' - should make it fairly painless.

[eVolcre]

I;m in the wrong thread.

*skulks off*

[broken_keyboard]

"The Mac OS X for Intel Develpoer Kit includes a 3.6GHz Pentium 4 and OS X 10.4.1 for Intel (preview release). Order today; ships in two weeks."

Woohoo! Steve finally shipped his 3GHz Mac!

[SiliconAddict]

[1:47 PM] He's demonstrating it with Quicken, Excel, Photoshop. All of these apps, compiled for PPC, worked fine on the Intel Mac demonstration, It was a completely transparent process. - posted by Dave

That is VERY interesting. If they have Excel running that doesn't mean that it has to be that complicated. Also it means they let MS know early about this. Why would you want to do that? I guess it’s a double-edged sword. Don't tell them and risk getting people to freak out about office or do tell them and give them a chance to get their *** in gear with Longhorn but in that case the dice are already rolled. They probably can't speed up Longhorn development any faster then what they already are at.

[emaja]

10:56am PDT - Paul Otellini, President & CEO of Intel, is on. “I suspect there’s a whole bunch of you who never thought you’d see that [Intel] logo on this stage. I was one of them.”

[Dm84]

This is really one of the best decisions Apple has ever made. The only negative is that these computers aren't available for purchase now. After hearing reassurances from Microsoft and Adobe that they will support both architectures, I feel convinced that this is a great move.

[StkhlmSyndrm23]

230 Eastern Time Steve Jobs will appear on CNBC's Street Signs according to CNBC

[SiliconAddict]

Guys it looks like http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/

is back up and running again.

[eVolcre]

Come into this thread. They're posting the same updates I was and with some discussoin too. There's more people in there ...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1506624&posted=1#post1506624

[Krevnik]

Don't bet on it if it's Intel-x86. Just as people have hacked the Xbox to run normal Windows, they will get Mac OS X running on normal x86 PCs

There is one slight problem with that comment: What if the hardware is truly custom and the OS is heavily dependant on it at a non-Darwin level? Then there are going to be major problems and it won't be worth the hassle for most to do the work needed to hack OS X onto the system.

[DPazdanISU]

Who would of ever thought that not only we would wait forever for a Powerbook G5 but that it would never actually be made :eek: :confused:

[DPazdanISU]

so is the keynote going to be available to watch later? I like watching steve's distortion field

[JackSYi]

so is the keynote going to be available to watch later? I like watching steve's distortion field

Same here. But I still can't believe that crappy Keynote.

[MacIke]

I nailed this one on the head. This great I cannot wait.

Newer powerbooks.

Viva la mac!


Now the question is going to be will there be a small group hardware people able to sell OSX on thier own machines, HP and SONY. If that happens watch out... OSX will rule the software world

[xli_ne]

So are we going to have all the "Wintel" talk anymore now? What about "mactel"

[MacIke]

so is the keynote going to be available to watch later? I like watching steve's distortion field


I hope so. It is usually around at about 6pm PDT.

[MacIke]

There is one slight problem with that comment: What if the hardware is truly custom and the OS is heavily dependant on it at a non-Darwin level? Then there are going to be major problems and it won't be worth the hassle for most to do the work needed to hack OS X onto the system.


It is called burning your own ROMS

[MacIke]

"The Mac OS X for Intel Develpoer Kit includes a 3.6GHz Pentium 4 and OS X 10.4.1 for Intel (preview release). Order today; ships in two weeks."

Woohoo! Steve finally shipped his 3GHz Mac!


All I need is a spare $999 and I would join and get this.

[Trekkie]

Did anyone else catch that Leopard is going to debut at the same time as Longhorn (potentially before given Microsofts problems)...that is very big news. New version of Xcode available today, too. Get ready.

Anyone else find the next rev of Mac OS X name very ironic? Leopard? Talk about changing your spots...going from PowerPC to Intel... :D :D

[Trekkie]

All I need is a spare $999 and I would join and get this.

Acutally don't you need $1499. $500 for ADC Membership + $999 for the computer.

God help me I was thinking about it.

[Trekkie]

It is called burning your own ROMS

Or even more importantly Open Firmware. If they continue to use that they can make it really easy for Windows not to start up.

I had a brief flash of a nightmare that had my lovely iMac booting up and showing the Phoenix BIOS screen counting memory. Ugh.

[Chimera]

Anyone else find the next rev of Mac OS X name very ironic? Leopard? Talk about changing your spots...going from PowerPC to Intel... :D :D

:D Maybe it's intended?!! A whole marketing strategy about Apple channging to the previously toasted Pentium guys :eek:

[Trekkie]

OK. I call on the communities help. Someone in one of these intel threads said they'd send me all their Macs if Intel was announced. Trying to find the note so I can collect :D

I'll give you half of em :D

[DPazdanISU]

the keynote will assumably be available here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/

[Dagless]

i thought i had married into stability getting my PB back in Feb. but alas :( its no longer a future machine but a current one.

i suppose this does pave way for OS11. a X86-only OS. i mean why would Apple make an OS to run on G3,4,5 and the Intel CPU's when Intel is the future, seemingly.

*sobs*

but. i suppose that Windows has a bleeding hard challenge ahead of them. especially if you can buy Leapord in shops to run on regular PC's.

[Florida Gator]

Am I realistic to believe this will kill Apple's hardware sales for the next year? What are they supposed to do with iBooks and Powerbooks when they are already lacking and people know they plan a massive transition to great technology in a year?

[newamiga]

Interesting that their is not even a mention in the hot news section of Apple's web site..

[MaCaDDiCT21]

This move won't necisarally decrease product sales, unless OSX is opened up to all PC's. If Apple and Intel work togeather to design a chip similar to to the PPC, then there will be no interfearance with product sales. It might even increase product sales with Intel being known how it is...

I just hope there isnt an "Intel Inside" sticker tapered to the upcoming powermacs ;)

[weldon]

Interesting that their is not even a mention in the hot news section of Apple's web site..
Not that interesting. Hot news isn't really the place for this kind of thing. There is a press release about the Intel switch on Apple's site in the PR section.

[Sun Baked]

Or even more importantly Open Firmware. If they continue to use that they can make it really easy for Windows not to start up.

I had a brief flash of a nightmare that had my lovely iMac booting up and showing the Phoenix BIOS screen counting memory. Ugh.As people have pointed out... the Universal Binary makes Open Firmware look like it is a gonner.

[ChoMomma]

As people have pointed out... the Universal Binary makes Open Firmware look like it is a gonner.


Actually the Universal Binary has nothing to do with open firmware. That part of Apple's machines is completely up to them. Universal Binaries are referring to software (photoshop, office..etc) so that it can be compiled and sold to either PPC or Intel Mac users.

[me_94501]

So are we going to have all the "Wintel" talk anymore now? What about "mactel"
I prefer "Macintel" myself. Sounds better and sounds like the word "Macintosh" was mutilated (which makes it symbolic of how some of us feel right now).

[bosrs1]

I prefer "Macintel" myself. Sounds better and sounds like the word "Macintosh" was mutilated (which makes it symbolic of how some of us feel right now).
*shakes head*

I love this odd sense of betrayal you all are feeling. It's so ridiculous.

PS Go A's

[osprey54]

What are they supposed to do with iBooks and Powerbooks when they are already lacking and people know they plan a massive transition to great technology in a year?

Well, it may cause people to flock to buy the last line of PowerPC computers that may ever be made....








:(

[MontyZ]

Interesting that their is not even a mention in the hot news section of Apple's web site..
It's not really for consumer consumption, that's why. This is more for the techies and Apple dweebs who care, like us.

[MontyZ]

Am I realistic to believe this will kill Apple's hardware sales for the next year? What are they supposed to do with iBooks and Powerbooks when they are already lacking and people know they plan a massive transition to great technology in a year?
This is also my biggest concern. It may really hurt Apple computer sales over the next two years. Not sure how they plan to deal with this one, but, I think it's the biggest potential problem for Apple.

[Vihta]

All I need is a spare $999 and I would join and get this.


I found this from a reliable source. (http://www.apple.com/fi/powermac/performance/) Why would you want such a slow processor?

It's going to take some time before Intel macs are as fast as macs are currently. I doubt that Intel can double their speeds in the near future.

[Maxiseller]

Intel already manufacture Dual Core chips. Two of these in a Powermac would kick the current model's ass!

[BornAgainMac]

Intel already manufacture Dual Core chips. Two of these in a Powermac would kick the current model's ass!

Finally Intel will get a real OS so the hardware isn't wasted. Lots of asses to kick including hardware from IBM and Motorola. And then kick some Operating System asses from Microsoft and even poor Linux on the same hardware.

[wdlove]

This is also my biggest concern. It may really hurt Apple computer sales over the next two years. Not sure how they plan to deal with this one, but, I think it's the biggest potential problem for Apple.

Chances are Steve has though long and hard on this very problem. This may be a case where the iPod and iTMS might just be the saving grace for Apple over the next two years. Also consumers that aren't geeks like us aren't going to even know about the upcoming change.

[~Shard~]

Also consumers that aren't geeks like us aren't going to even know about the upcoming change.

This is a good point. Yes, there are "geeks like us" who know every facet of Mac architecture and keep up to date on all this kind of news, however there is still a large share of Mac owners out there who couldn't even tell you right now what type of chip is in their Mac, let alone what is happening in the future. ;)

[MontyZ]

Chances are Steve has though long and hard on this very problem. This may be a case where the iPod and iTMS might just be the saving grace for Apple over the next two years. Also consumers that aren't geeks like us aren't going to even know about the upcoming change.
I hope Steve and Co. has thought this through and how to deal with the potential slowdown of sales. And I agree that it's geeks like us that know and care about this kind of news. But, all my family and friends know I'm a Mac geek and come to me whenever they want to buy a new computer. So, this might happen a lot and eventually the word will get out.

Or, even worse, the press will spin this in a negative way and that will hurt Apple in the longrun. Let's hope not.

[Sea Shadow]

I found this from a reliable source. (http://www.apple.com/fi/powermac/performance/) Why would you want such a slow processor?

It's going to take some time before Intel macs are as fast as macs are currently. I doubt that Intel can double their speeds in the near future.

You belive that?!?!
*sigh* In case you haven't noticed Apple likes to, well "help" its so called "benchmarks". Head over to Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&p=5) and you will see some real benchmarks. Keep in mind that those scores are with an opteron 250 system, had they used 252s it would have been even worse for Apple.

As a server Apple... well STINKS so I won't even get into that area.

The move over to Intel is a good one IMO. The Pentium Ms are VERY powerful per clock (maybe even more so than the PPC inside the G5) and will have no trouble taking over.

[Krevnik]

I found this from a reliable source. (http://www.apple.com/fi/powermac/performance/) Why would you want such a slow processor?

It's going to take some time before Intel macs are as fast as macs are currently. I doubt that Intel can double their speeds in the near future.

Actually, those benchmarks are pure software benchmarks...

There has been a huge push for SMP on the Mac before OS X ever hit the scene. Realize that SMP software that utilizes dualies versus a single proc system is gonna win by a huge margin. The PC dualies didn't fare very well because Adobe's SMP support wasn't nearly as complete on the PC as it is on the Mac. Also realize that the processors used in the Macintel are gonna be the generation after the PC chips used in the benchmark.

To top it off, they were comparing different software... Final Cut does a lot of things better than Premiere does, so of course the PC is gonna get kicked in that benchmark.

While Apple doesn't 'lie' about the benchmarks, they do leave out important information.

[BenRoethig]

You belive that?!?!
*sigh* In case you haven't noticed Apple likes to, well "help" its so called "benchmarks". Head over to Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&p=5) and you will see some real benchmarks. Keep in mind that those scores are with an opteron 250 system, had they used 252s it would have been even worse for Apple.

As a server Apple... well STINKS so I won't even get into that area.

The move over to Intel is a good one IMO. The Pentium Ms are VERY powerful per clock (maybe even more so than the PPC inside the G5) and will have no trouble taking over.

They also tend to pick applications to play to the strengths of The PPC970, SMP, and Altivec. In most consumer apps both the G4 and G5 have their butts handed to them. I don't know if this is just deficiencies due to their origins or just nobody wanted to take the time to program for them. We can debate theoretical performance until the cows come home, but in all but the really high end applications the x86 processors will be faster. Plus the all important reality: we have a roadmap from intel. With IBM and Freescale we don't know if we're going to have anything more advanced in two years than they have now. If Apple is still using notebook processors with a SDR bus, single core PPC970FX processors, and the same AGP cards we have now, the company would probably be finished. I also have a sneaking suspicion that something similar is going to end up in the processor that ends up in the intel PowerMacs.

[ewinemiller]

Plus the all important reality: we have a roadmap from intel. With IBM and Freescale we don't know if we're going to have anything more advanced in two years than they have now. If Apple is still using notebook processors with a SDR bus, single core PPC970FX processors, and the same AGP cards we have now, the company would probably be finished. I also have a sneaking suspicion that something similar is going to end up in the processor that ends up in the intel PowerMacs.

That really is the key. I'm sure Apple knows a lot more about where IBM and Freescale are going than we do and they made this drastic move with that knowledge.

Most likely Freescale is telling them that they have an upcoming low power G4 targeted at fridges and toasters. IBM is telling them that they have a nextgen 970 that will be great in machines with liquid cooling and the same size radiator as a 72 Cadillac. Neither one of those options is what Apple wants to build.