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Jan 2, 2012, 12:00 PM
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The iOS app for the popular PostSecret blog (http://www.postsecret.com/) has been removed by creator Frank Warren. In a blog post on Sunday, Warren laid out the unsurmountable problems with the app, as opposed to the standard PostSecret website.

On the website, anonymous users share their deepest secrets with the world by physically mailing a postcard to a Maryland address. In the app, however, users simply post anonymous messages via their iPhone. As with any anonymous forum on the Internet, malicious users come out of the woodwork to abuse the system, as Warren explained (http://www.postsecret.com/2012/01/postsecret-app-is-now-closed.html):
99% of the secrets created were in the spirit of PostSecret. Unfortunately, the scale of secrets was so large that even 1% of bad content was overwhelming for our dedicated team of volunteer moderators who worked 24 hours a day 7 days a week removing content that was not just pornographic but also gruesome and at times threatening.

Bad content caused users to complain to me, Apple and the FBI. I was contacted by law enforcement about bad content on the App. Threats were made against users, moderators and my family. (Two specific threats were made that I am unable to talk about). As much as we tried, we were unable to maintain a bully-free environment. Weeks ago I had to remove the App from my daughter's phone.

Like many of you, I feel a great sense of loss from this decision but please know that we fought hard behind the scenes to find a permanent solution. We even tried prescreening 30,000 secrets a day. Deciding to remove the App from the App Store last week and holding back the release of the Android version cost us money but we feel it was the right thing to do.Warren notes that while the app is closed, the PostSecret blog (http://www.postsecret.com/) and the traditional post card-based submissions are still being accepted via snail mail.

Article Link: PostSecret Pulls iOS App Over Abusive Submissions (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/02/creator-pulls-postsecret-ios-app-over-abusive-submissions/)



Xenc
Jan 2, 2012, 12:04 PM
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People are stupid.

swb1192
Jan 2, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Why not just remove the submission part of the app?

SandboxGeneral
Jan 2, 2012, 12:05 PM
Wow. That's despicable how people abuse things like that to post inappropriate and threatening things, which obviously, ruined it for the majority of people. :mad:

AppleRockerAlex
Jan 2, 2012, 12:28 PM
The idea of a 'managed' yet 'anonymous' forum on iOS is an expired pipe dream. Just look at the App Store Review system with it's nicknames rather than true Usernames or genuine emails, it's chock full of BS from all sides to the point of being a total joke.

Really hate to say this, but FaceBook has it right, be who you are. Say what you want and stand behind it.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're saying, or if what you're saying if a lie, violent, or breaking the law, perhaps you should shut up.

nagromme
Jan 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
The idea of a 'managed' yet 'anonymous' forum on iOS is an expired pipe dream. Just look at the App Store Review system with it's nicknames rather than true Usernames or genuine emails, it's chock full of BS from all sides to the point of being a total joke.

Really hate to say this, but FaceBook has it right, be who you are. Say what you want and stand behind it.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're saying, or if what you're saying if a lie, violent, or breaking the law, perhaps you should shut up.

Agreed, up to a point; anonymity puts people on their worst behavior. Just look at online dating and drivers on the road! But Facebook’s (and Google’s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt#Views)) path is equally a pipe dream: you need anonymity if you’re speaking about those with power over you. Your boss, your government when corrupt (and there will always be instances where it is), anyone with enough money to make you suffer, anyone who wants to cover something up enough to make you suffer, etc.

Plus, Facebook goes one step further than just “be who you are”: they also gather and use info on who you are for profit. (As does Google, and nearly any free service including TV. And I think free services like that are a great option sometimes, but they have a downside.) Any time you put real info out there, you are offering value to companies to make use of it. Maybe not in ways you’d choose if you knew the details (and you probably never will). Is your private info usually abused? No, usually not... I would guess. But that’s not good enough.

dysamoria
Jan 2, 2012, 01:11 PM
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Congratulations to the Internet for (repeatedly) reaffirming how horrifying human beings can be when given freedom from even basic consequences.

StrudelTurnover
Jan 2, 2012, 01:19 PM
Congratulations to the Internet for (repeatedly) reaffirming how horrifying human beings can be when given freedom from even basic consequences.
There's an app for that. :eek:
iFlies?

D.T.
Jan 2, 2012, 01:23 PM
Agreed, up to a point; anonymity puts people on their worst behavior.

Heck, look at this forum. There are people who absolutely would not - and do not - conduct themselves the same way they do when they're not anonymous and have no consequences to their actions (funny enough, it's usually these same people who say "I say the same thing online as I would to your face" ... umm, no, you wouldn't ...)

At least here (and on most forums) it's limited to petty bickering, calling out spelling errors and snarky comments. The fact the people involved in running the site got threats toward their family escalates things to a totally different level.

So unfortunate, and I'm sure that was horrific for him and his family.

Shrink
Jan 2, 2012, 01:32 PM
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Congratulations to the Internet for (repeatedly) reaffirming how horrifying human beings can be when given freedom from even basic consequences.

Agee ^^^

See my signature. It's meant half in jest - but not always.

gkpm
Jan 2, 2012, 01:41 PM
Really hate to say this, but FaceBook has it right, be who you are. Say what you want and stand behind it.

You can have multiple profiles on Facebook all with some bogus background and photos. Just don't call them Mark Zuckerberg and you're good to go. Even on Google+.

Other than submitting your ID documents/DNA/fingerprint evidence it's impossible for these services to be sure everyone is who they say they are.

It's actually worse since they lend a false sense of authenticity to posts.

Mix this with a mass sockpuppet technology such as that revealed by emails from HBGary - the US.gov-linked security company cracked by Anonymous earlier last year - and you can imagine the sort of thing it can do.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

AustinIllini
Jan 2, 2012, 01:44 PM
I don't know what drives people to be trolls in numbers like that. It is a real shame, as most of those trolls are probably still good people with some kind of a vice that makes them act that way.

goofy1958
Jan 2, 2012, 01:49 PM
Agreed, up to a point; anonymity puts people on their worst behavior. Just look at online dating and drivers on the road! But Facebook’s (and Google’s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt#Views)) path is equally a pipe dream: you need anonymity if you’re speaking about those with power over you. Your boss, your government when corrupt (and there will always be instances where it is), anyone with enough money to make you suffer, anyone who wants to cover something up enough to make you suffer, etc.

I am NOT picking on you, but just want people to know that the forums on an internet board aren't really the place to report gov't abuse, or rant about your boss.

Why not talk with your HR dept. or a friend about your boss? Why does it have to be posted in an on-line forum for all to see? Do you really need to rant that much? How about just go outside and scream for a bit to relieve the stress?

Corrupt gov't? There are plenty of legal avenues for reporting government abuse and corruption that don't involve your name in any way.

I see everyday on these boards where someone will post an opinion, and several folks will come on and bash that person for their opinion. It really is sad to see the utter nonsense that people will post nowadays.

Sardonick007
Jan 2, 2012, 01:49 PM
People suck. Give them anonymity and they suck worse. Forums are a perfect example of places that punks can spout off against each other knowing full well that were it "real life" they'd be nursing a head injury. People are animals by nature and if you take away the reward or punishment motivation, they just revert to that animal instinct. Embarrassing to be part of it sometimes. That's why the best you can do, is be better.

Shrink
Jan 2, 2012, 01:53 PM
I don't know what drives people to be trolls in numbers like that. It is a real shame, as most of those trolls are probably still good people with some kind of a vice that makes them act that way.

What kind of "vice" constitutes an excuse for behaving in a appalling, hateful manner.

I believe we should be judged by our actions. What, then, makes these "good" people? If I engage in hateful acts - how can I be a "good" person?

yadmonkey
Jan 2, 2012, 02:14 PM
People suck. Give them anonymity and they suck worse. Forums are a perfect example of places that punks can spout off against each other knowing full well that were it "real life" they'd be nursing a head injury. People are animals by nature and if you take away the reward or punishment motivation, they just revert to that animal instinct. Embarrassing to be part of it sometimes. That's why the best you can do, is be better.

People do suck, but I love human beings. They look just like people, but try to do good because it feels right, hold their beliefs with some humility, and are considerate of others, even when anonymous. Their actions are too often drowned out by loud people, but human beings are more prevalent than it might at some times appear.

AustinIllini
Jan 2, 2012, 02:25 PM
What kind of "vice" constitutes an excuse for behaving in a appalling, hateful manner.

I believe we should be judged by our actions. What, then, makes these "good" people? If I engage in hateful acts - how can I be a "good" person?

One "bad" person says something mean, then maybe groupthink takes over. Groupthink is "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive ingroup, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action". When you have complete anonymity and there is no perceivable consequence for one's actions, good people can be mean and downright hateful.

Shrink
Jan 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
One "bad" person says something mean, then maybe groupthink takes over. Groupthink is "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive ingroup, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action". When you have complete anonymity and there is no perceivable consequence for one's actions, good people can be mean and downright hateful.

While your point about "groupthink" is a reasonable one, to my way of thinking it does not absolve one of personal responsibility. Your point may explain explain some behavior (the actions of a mob), but it does not justify it.

Let me hasten to add that I am not suggesting it was your intent to justify this inexcusable behavior.:)

AppleRockerAlex
Jan 2, 2012, 02:57 PM
Lots of nice talk about people some sucking and some people being good.

So let say we have a group of people who create an App, they put TONS of time, energy, money into their App. They are hard working people, with families, mortgages, food and health care bills, etc.

So, some jerk comes along and lies about their product, just beets on them.

Some 'good' people come along and read the lies, and DO NOTHING. Do they post a True Review? Do they try to HELP the people who are under attack? NO!

Sometimes we see those pictures of people in a public place being mugged, and others just walking by doing nothing, and we say, well, they were afraid they'd get hurt if they try to help. Well, you can't get hurt posting a true Review to offset a hurtful, evil, untrue review.

So, what's the deal?

zweigand
Jan 2, 2012, 03:40 PM
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The answer to their problem was curation. Unfortunately they just didn't have the resources. Anonymity on the Internet always attracts the demented.

joelmcintosh
Jan 2, 2012, 03:46 PM
I think that story is more about curated vs. uncurated content. While I do not doubt the validity of Frank Warren's reasons for pulling the service, I think there may have been more to the story.

Frank's Postsecret blog publishes a few curated secrets each week. The content is poignant and heart felt ... and often gripping reading. However, the uncurated, anonymous nature of the Postsecret app made it fertile ground for kids whose "secret" was that they had a crush on a boy in 7th period, people whose secret was they who were eating too much fatty food, and kids who were jealous that some girl posted on a boyfriend's Facebook page. As the app increased in popularity, the typical post became increasingly frivolous ... and, as Frank explained, at times malicious.

In the end, the open, uncurated philosophical underpinnings of the app were causing it to unravel. On the other hand, the closed, curated philosophy of the Postsecret blog ensured quality content.

Sound familiar?

liquidrumors
Jan 2, 2012, 04:13 PM
I have been on the internet since the very beginning (yes I'm dating myself) I remember the dial up BBSs that were in the wild. Even back then we felt that anonymous was bad and that it would eventually be the undoing of the internet as people turned away from it. Luckily the internet has flourished but the anonymous sites are going away as Facebook takes over everything. I think this is good (you can still make fake profiles on Facebook) but I think in the future that we will need a type of ID before we can access the internet.

As we move toward cloud based computing providers can start to ask you to verify who you are before you get on their "Plane" and use their services.. its just a matter of time. Surprised its taken so long. Think about it you have to show id to get on a plane to prevent all sorts of things. The internet is no different if you have the skills you can cause the plane to wreck. Companies should protect users (passengers) from Cyber terror and all the other things that go with it..

Just thoughts thats all..

AppleRockerAlex
Jan 2, 2012, 04:23 PM
I probably shouldn't say this, but I used to run a very large BBS!

100% custom written in Apple DOS

Apple II+, Hayes MicroModem, 4 in-line Apple 5 1/4 Drives

Pirate Board, Phreaking, even sold Ads to the local Rock Radio Station!

This was before CompuServe, Prodigy, etc.

TEST! Who can tell me what "99e99" is and why it matters???

csjo00
Jan 2, 2012, 05:50 PM
This was really disappointing when I heard and read this happened.

As an avid follower of Frank's website Postsecret, I bought the app.. It was pretty awesome and neat because you connected to hundreds of thousands of people anonymously via this little screen caps.

Then these two people started trolling/spamming the app with GRAPHIC "secrets" and Frank and the moderators for the app were unable to do anything except close down the app because of them.

Definitely one of the neatest things, I've ever took part in. It's really sad that these two posters, nicknamed Ontario and New Jersey because of the location that they posted from, had to ruin this for everyone.

Dionte
Jan 2, 2012, 06:22 PM
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A secret is no longer a secret as soon as you tell someone else.

huntercr
Jan 2, 2012, 06:24 PM
I am NOT picking on you, but just want people to know that the forums on an internet board aren't really the place to report gov't abuse, or rant about your boss.

Why not talk with your HR dept. or a friend about your boss? Why does it have to be posted in an on-line forum for all to see? Do you really need to rant that much? How about just go outside and scream for a bit to relieve the stress?

Corrupt gov't? There are plenty of legal avenues for reporting government abuse and corruption that don't involve your name in any way.

I see everyday on these boards where someone will post an opinion, and several folks will come on and bash that person for their opinion. It really is sad to see the utter nonsense that people will post nowadays.

What gets me is that the "advancing" of the internet has madeit so easy for more ignorant people in higher concentrations. For whatever reason, stupidity loves congregating... and anonymity only seems to polarize the commentary, but I don't see it as making it any "worse" or better... I have plenty of idiot friends who blather on on facebook about their childish level of understanding of politics, or ignorant perpetuation of urban legend, stereotype etc.

But Prior to Facebook/etc, you had Website forums ( like this one ), prior to website forums, you had USENET. Prior to usenet, you had BBSes,Bitnet, and Compuserve forums. Prior to that you had social/semi-secret societies like Shriners/Moose/FreeMasons/Daughters of the Revolution. Prior to that you had Pubs and Bars.
Ignorant people in all of them, all wanting to be heard.

But the thing is, I can't agree with you when it comes to governing WHERE that stupidity should be said. It's not my right to shut someone up. They deserve to be heard. If someone wants to rant about their boss, that's there prerogative. Are they free to shout it on the street? Are they free to write a newspaper column about it? As long as it isn't libel or slander, then why shouldn't they be able to write about it on the internet?

But it's also within that bosses right to fire them... whatever the law permits that is.
But if someone is stupid enough to post that boss rant on a forum with their real name, knowing their own HR policy or state law about hiring/firing then they know what they're getting into. Reasonable man standard should apply here.

*BUT* government regulation requiring that all IDs be tied to real names or worse requiring that those names be displayed is absolutely the wrong way to go. If hat is ever enacted, the foundation of our country will be significantly damaged.

/ironic that my account is actually a representation of my real name. back when I didn't think about this very much. oops :)

D.T.
Jan 2, 2012, 06:46 PM
Anonymity on the Internet always attracts the demented.

I feel like I need to put this in my .sig :)

***

Side note: another ol' school BBS-er here too. I remember scoring premium USR products through the SysOp program :D

Big-TDI-Guy
Jan 2, 2012, 06:52 PM
Chat Roulette also seemed like a good idea to someone... :confused:

It is unfortunate that we are, the way we are.

marksman
Jan 2, 2012, 08:29 PM
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The idea of a 'managed' yet 'anonymous' forum on iOS is an expired pipe dream. Just look at the App Store Review system with it's nicknames rather than true Usernames or genuine emails, it's chock full of BS from all sides to the point of being a total joke.

Really hate to say this, but FaceBook has it right, be who you are. Say what you want and stand behind it.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're saying, or if what you're saying if a lie, violent, or breaking the law, perhaps you should shut up.

Since when do you have to be who you are on Facebook

iEvolution
Jan 2, 2012, 09:28 PM
There has always been jerks online that have nothing better to do than make people's lives miserable...and as a late 80/early 90s Internet User it has only gotten worse it really is no wonder governments want it regulated.

Its sad a few bad apples (no phun) ruin it for the rest of us.

I really miss when computers couldn't be run by monkeys and required skill, certainly kept the ignorant to a minimum.

narimonk
Jan 2, 2012, 10:26 PM
One "bad" person says something mean, then maybe groupthink takes over. Groupthink is "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive ingroup, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action". When you have complete anonymity and there is no perceivable consequence for one's actions, good people can be mean and downright hateful.

Nice one George Orwell.

Not a snarky comment by the way, just clarifying for the troll patrol.

macaddiict
Jan 2, 2012, 10:26 PM
Hmm, I see this as a problem.

This app was high in the ranks on the App Store. In other words, Frank made a lot from users like me who dropped $1.99 when the app went for sale.

Then, less than 3 months later, the app is pulled? What happens to the thooooousands of dollars that Frank made off this app?

He just gets to keep it?

I should be in the app-making business. I think I could make a few really good service apps that lasted 3-4 months before I pulled the plug and ran with money.

I understand something needed to change. However, pulling the plug (and keeping everyone's dough) should not have been the solution. Requiring logins, etc. would be a better alternative for the users who wished to keep using it.

mysticfox
Jan 3, 2012, 02:40 AM
It's weird that some conclude that people suck and are just animals from this. Less than 1% of posts were malicious, so statistically it was just a few bad apples causing troube.

Unfortunately, with the internet, when you have hundreds of thousands of users, that population of trolls and jerks quickly becomes huge.

D-Dave
Jan 3, 2012, 02:49 AM
I am NOT picking on you, but just want people to know that the forums on an internet board aren't really the place to report gov't abuse, or rant about your boss.

Why not talk with your HR dept. or a friend about your boss? Why does it have to be posted in an on-line forum for all to see? Do you really need to rant that much? How about just go outside and scream for a bit to relieve the stress?

Corrupt gov't? There are plenty of legal avenues for reporting government abuse and corruption that don't involve your name in any way.

I see everyday on these boards where someone will post an opinion, and several folks will come on and bash that person for their opinion. It really is sad to see the utter nonsense that people will post nowadays.

While this statement may be true for the country you and I live in, I am pretty sure those living in Tunesia, Egypt and Syria (just to name the most recent and most publicly aware examples) would strongly disagree...

gnashed
Jan 3, 2012, 03:34 AM
I've been a Postsecret reader almost since it started. If you read the opening page it's purpose is stated "an art project where people submit their secrets on handmade postcards." The curatorial process is near automatic because submitters actually have to put effort into their secret and Frank has to sort through all the cards to publish them. THAT's what makes it such a great site.

But making into an app and allowing instant un-curated submissions was a HUGE mistake from the beginning. Ask that kid who created Chatroullette, or any host of websites that tried to create instant anonymous photo submissions. Eventually all you get are penises and crackpots.

I'm so happy that Postsecret is now going to be kept an analog, tactile art piece.

MCP-511
Jan 3, 2012, 03:53 AM
When I started, only 300 baud was available. :eek: Believe me I've seen it all. It does not matter what format it is, where it is, what it is, who invented it, if it allows text input for others to view, it will be abused. I've seen huge battles with and without anonymity that are still legendary to this day in certain circles.

goofy1958
Jan 3, 2012, 07:40 AM
What gets me is that the "advancing" of the internet has madeit so easy for more ignorant people in higher concentrations. For whatever reason, stupidity loves congregating... and anonymity only seems to polarize the commentary, but I don't see it as making it any "worse" or better... I have plenty of idiot friends who blather on on facebook about their childish level of understanding of politics, or ignorant perpetuation of urban legend, stereotype etc.

But Prior to Facebook/etc, you had Website forums ( like this one ), prior to website forums, you had USENET. Prior to usenet, you had BBSes,Bitnet, and Compuserve forums. Prior to that you had social/semi-secret societies like Shriners/Moose/FreeMasons/Daughters of the Revolution. Prior to that you had Pubs and Bars.
Ignorant people in all of them, all wanting to be heard.

But the thing is, I can't agree with you when it comes to governing WHERE that stupidity should be said. It's not my right to shut someone up. They deserve to be heard. If someone wants to rant about their boss, that's there prerogative. Are they free to shout it on the street? Are they free to write a newspaper column about it? As long as it isn't libel or slander, then why shouldn't they be able to write about it on the internet?

But it's also within that bosses right to fire them... whatever the law permits that is.
But if someone is stupid enough to post that boss rant on a forum with their real name, knowing their own HR policy or state law about hiring/firing then they know what they're getting into. Reasonable man standard should apply here.

*BUT* government regulation requiring that all IDs be tied to real names or worse requiring that those names be displayed is absolutely the wrong way to go. If hat is ever enacted, the foundation of our country will be significantly damaged.

/ironic that my account is actually a representation of my real name. back when I didn't think about this very much. oops :)

I have to say I agree with you. When I replied I was thinking of people that post malicious lies about a boss simply because they are mad at that person. I have seen it happen where someone was late to work, got reprimanded by the boss, and then tried to tell everyone that the boss was a pervert because they had gotten in trouble. That was the kind of post I was thinking about. If the boss is truly a butt, then I have no problem with the posting. The issue I see is that where do you draw the line when you are an owner of a forum such as this one?

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While this statement may be true for the country you and I live in, I am pretty sure those living in Tunesia, Egypt and Syria (just to name the most recent and most publicly aware examples) would strongly disagree...

True, I was only speaking of the U.S., and not the harsh dictatorships of the world. There are lots of places that need to post what they can.

Queen of Spades
Jan 3, 2012, 08:27 AM
Hmm, I see this as a problem.

This app was high in the ranks on the App Store. In other words, Frank made a lot from users like me who dropped $1.99 when the app went for sale.

Then, less than 3 months later, the app is pulled? What happens to the thooooousands of dollars that Frank made off this app?

He just gets to keep it?

I should be in the app-making business. I think I could make a few really good service apps that lasted 3-4 months before I pulled the plug and ran with money.

I understand something needed to change. However, pulling the plug (and keeping everyone's dough) should not have been the solution. Requiring logins, etc. would be a better alternative for the users who wished to keep using it.

Yeah, I feel a tiny bit like a bastard for feeling this way since everyone is all peace and love about Postsecret, but I honestly wish he had Apple issue refunds on the app. Not that $2 is a ton of money, but I do feel shorted for what I paid for. I'm also curious how many people paid for it. It's a shame people on the internet have to act like d-bags and ruin fun things for normal people, but that's par for the course.

I think Frank's made enough from selling books of other people's secrets that in this case, he could have returned the money.

porcupine8
Jan 3, 2012, 08:51 AM
I am NOT picking on you, but just want people to know that the forums on an internet board aren't really the place to report gov't abuse, or rant about your boss.

Why not talk with your HR dept. or a friend about your boss? Why does it have to be posted in an on-line forum for all to see? Do you really need to rant that much? How about just go outside and scream for a bit to relieve the stress?

Corrupt gov't? There are plenty of legal avenues for reporting government abuse and corruption that don't involve your name in any way.
.

No, but Internet forums are good places to go to get advice on how to proceed with such things, or find others with similar grievances, or to simply vent about such situations while you are working to get them resolved. And none of those things would be as safe when tied to your real identity.

Consultant
Jan 3, 2012, 10:36 AM
Hmm, I see this as a problem.

This app was high in the ranks on the App Store. In other words, Frank made a lot from users like me who dropped $1.99 when the app went for sale.

Then, less than 3 months later, the app is pulled? What happens to the thooooousands of dollars that Frank made off this app?

He just gets to keep it?

I should be in the app-making business. I think I could make a few really good service apps that lasted 3-4 months before I pulled the plug and ran with money.

I understand something needed to change. However, pulling the plug (and keeping everyone's dough) should not have been the solution. Requiring logins, etc. would be a better alternative for the users who wished to keep using it.

Yup. Should have required vetted facebook login but then the user can choose a different user name.

MacSince1990
Jan 3, 2012, 07:11 PM
"Unsurmountable" is not a word.

Tsuchiya
Jan 4, 2012, 05:40 AM
Unfortunately the internet isn't a balanced place. For every place like MacRumors where users are able to have actual discussions, there are at least a dozen other communities who seem to get a kick out of being douchebags.

bretm
Jan 4, 2012, 10:10 AM
"Unsurmountable" is not a word.

unsurmountable |ˌənsərˈmoun(t)əbəl| adjective
not able to be overcome; insurmountable:

Berserker-UK
Jan 4, 2012, 10:50 AM
As an ex-moderator of a popular forum, I've had the misfortune to see this sort of behaviour from the receiving end. I didn't get any threats myself, but I'm all too well aware of them.

Some people seem to think it's their god-given right to post anything they please on an internet forum, and woe betide anyone who dares to moderate them - "How dare you moderate my post - in future, kindly remember that I know where your family live".

People seem to think that they're untouchable when they're hiding behind the keyboard, usually not knowing rule one about how to really be anonymous on the internet. They usually shut up and run away in a hurry once they discover that they can be tracked down, though you have to be careful as there are of course the odd few who would actually carry out their threat.

Of course, there are plenty of people who can or want to dabble in the internet equivalent of phreaking, either for pleasure, necessity or nefarious reasons, but it's a shame that for everyone else, the internet seems rapidly to be heading towards an Orwellian nightmare because some idiots can't contain their desire to launch vitriol or spam bots upon the world.

aliensporebomb
Jan 5, 2012, 08:18 AM
I probably shouldn't say this, but I used to run a very large BBS!

100% custom written in Apple DOS

Apple II+, Hayes MicroModem, 4 in-line Apple 5 1/4 Drives

Pirate Board, Phreaking, even sold Ads to the local Rock Radio Station!

This was before CompuServe, Prodigy, etc.

TEST! Who can tell me what "99e99" is and why it matters???

You are giving me serious flashbacks.

-Sysop of a BBS for over 15 years back in the day.

And yes, people would do stupid and disruptive things because anonymity let them.

tyborosco
Jan 5, 2012, 03:04 PM
********** with loud voices love anonymity.

pooryou
Jan 6, 2012, 03:55 PM
They should have been able to predict this would happen when designing the system in the first place.

There are always going to be people like that. Not excusing it but you have to take it into consideration.

hopegrows
Feb 27, 2012, 11:34 AM
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