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MacRumors
Jan 11, 2012, 03:13 PM
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Apple's big education announcement (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/11/apples-education-announcement-scheduled-for-january-19-in-new-york-city/) may be January 19th in New York City, but that doesn't mean Apple is the only company innovating in the educational space. University of Michigan professor Perry Samson has developed (http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/professors-classroom-ipad-app-debuts-at-consumer-electronics-show/34890) an iPad app called LectureTools (http://www.lecturetools.com/) that Samson hopes can turn laptops and iPads from a way to distract bored students into an interactive learning tool that keeps them engaged.

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The Chronicle of Higher Education explains (http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/professors-classroom-ipad-app-debuts-at-consumer-electronics-show/34890):
For the app to be fully utilized, all of the students and the professor would need either an iPad or a laptop loaded with the software as they sit in the classroom. Then the instructor could use the iPad app to present slides that would show up on every student's screen and allow any student in the room to annotate the slides or ask a question. For instance, students could highlight points on a map using their iPads, and the group of responses would be visible--anonymously--to the entire class. Mr. Samson said the app freed him from the podium.The app tracks students classroom participation, something Samson says could be used to spot early warning signs in students who may be having difficulty with the material. 20 classes are using LectureTools at the University of Michigan, but it's also being used at Ohio State and Michigan State.

Article Link: UMichigan Professor Uses iPads to Remake the Chalkboard (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/11/umichigan-professor-uses-ipads-to-remake-the-chalkboard/)



adversus
Jan 11, 2012, 03:24 PM
All fine and dandy until one of those "Anonymous" markups is a giant penis over your Geometry lesson.

guzhogi
Jan 11, 2012, 03:31 PM
All fine and dandy until one of those "Anonymous" markups is a giant penis over your Geometry lesson.

I'm sure there are ways around that. These interactive things have been around long enough so that the programmers know about it & can put in workarounds if they choose to.

diamond3
Jan 11, 2012, 03:31 PM
All fine and dandy until one of those "Anonymous" markups is a giant penis over your Geometry lesson.

I was thinking the same thing. It would have to be anonymous to the class, but have the teacher be able to know who drew the inappropriate picture.

I don't really think it seems necessary be able to draw during a lecture, interactive quizzes seem just as beneficial without trying to interpret other students writing. I could maybe see something like a share button where the teacher could ask for a question, then on person raises their hand and can submit the work to the teacher for review and have it displayed.

baryon
Jan 11, 2012, 04:13 PM
Sounds fun, but it makes students focus on their own personal device instead on the same physical board. All students looking at the same board can create a stronger "group bond" in a way, I think.

Also, who would pay for iPads and laptops for each student? Because not all students have these.

tk421
Jan 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
I don't really think it seems necessary be able to draw during a lecture, interactive quizzes seem just as beneficial without trying to interpret other students writing.

Think of all the different subjects out there! There are many situations that would benefit from drawing, even if it was just an arrow or a circle to direct attention to a certain portion of an image.

Herdfan
Jan 11, 2012, 04:50 PM
all fine and dandy until one of those "anonymous" markups is a giant penis over your geometry lesson.

lol :)

ArtOfWarfare
Jan 11, 2012, 05:04 PM
Also, who would pay for iPads and laptops for each student? Because not all students have these.

Not every student has the $500 textbook for the class.

Oh wait, yes they do, because it's a listed required material.

The same person will pay for the iPad as the person who paid for the textbook, be it scholarship money, the student themselves, or the parent.

pjsamson
Jan 11, 2012, 05:12 PM
For the record (as the "Professor" in the story) I have described how I teach class with my iPad + laptop at http://www.sageonstage.com. I can draw on my slides, the students can draw on my slides but only on their own copy using LectureTools (http://www.lecturetools.com).

Students without iPads can use laptops. Students without laptops can text in their answers to questions on a cell phone. Students without cell phones, laptops or iPads (or who choose not to bring them) can hand in their answers on paper and I can credit their effort.

Saladinos
Jan 11, 2012, 05:49 PM
Great idea, and from the description, sounds well executed.

Are the lectures viewable later? With annotations? How about recording the audio from the lecturer's iPad and making that available later?

There's a lot that can be done in this space. I'm glad somebody is.

jlc1978
Jan 11, 2012, 06:26 PM
Folks - read this professor's blog. It has a very interesting and readable discussion of the tool. Despite the fact he is at UM his use of the tools is very interesting and finally gets us back to the roller equipped overhead.

Branskins
Jan 11, 2012, 06:48 PM
Folks - read this professor's blog. It has a very interesting and readable discussion of the tool. Despite the fact he is at UM his use of the tools is very interesting and finally gets us back to the roller equipped overhead.

What do you mean despite the fact he is at UM? :O

sterlingindigo
Jan 11, 2012, 09:05 PM
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Cougarcat
Jan 11, 2012, 09:43 PM
Not every student has the $500 textbook for the class.

Oh wait, yes they do, because it's a listed required material.



No, they don't. Many students make do with course reserves from the library.

nylonsteel
Jan 11, 2012, 11:17 PM
re original article

i'm for it

if the teacher can help the students having difficulty with the material

hate when teachers fawn over students who already know it all

ArtOfWarfare
Jan 12, 2012, 05:57 AM
No, they don't. Many students make do with course reserves from the library.

And many actually buy or rent the textbook. At my own college, I'd say that maybe 5% of students sometimes go with the "I can get it at the library, that'll be just as good" approach... although, IDK, maybe when you leave the STEM departments you end up with a lot more students thinking that's a good idea.

OneOkami
Jan 12, 2012, 06:21 AM
What do you mean despite the fact he is at UM? :O

I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.

tigres
Jan 12, 2012, 09:39 AM
Go Blue baby!:D

yAak
Jan 12, 2012, 11:12 AM
For people confused about how students get ahold of said iPads:
School departments often have budgets for exactly this kind of thing, or technology grants that can only be used on these kinds of things. So they buy their department a batch of iPads to be used in-class. Think of it as buying desks or projectors.

The students in classes using this approach really aren't expected to come up with their own laptop or iPad.

iPhD
Jan 12, 2012, 11:15 AM
Once again, in a story about a useful tool and an energized instructor who seems to care about student engagement, the information is distilled down to nothing more than a way to grab a hold of bored students (see paragraph 1).

Why must entertainment be a part of education? The prof referred to is an educator. His blog talks about engaging the students. This is important. It just frosts my chickens every time the media wails and moans about bored students. Going to school is the students' job. Engaging in the process of learning is their job. Keep in mind that if they don't engage from their end, it may not actually be the prof's fault. Students have more job security than the teachers. They can do a half-assed job and it's not their fault.

talmy
Jan 12, 2012, 11:32 AM
Going to school is the students' job. Engaging in the process of learning is their job. Keep in mind that if they don't engage from their end, it may not actually be the prof's fault.

I totally disagree. It's the professors job to engage the students. Students are paying the school and the professors. If the professors don't uphold their end of the deal students might as well just read the book and learn on their own. I applaud the effort of Professor Samson.

SeanMcg
Jan 12, 2012, 12:03 PM
Once again, in a story about a useful tool and an energized instructor who seems to care about student engagement, the information is distilled down to nothing more than a way to grab a hold of bored students (see paragraph 1).

Why must entertainment be a part of education?... Engaging in the process of learning is their job. Keep in mind that if they don't engage from their end, it may not actually be the prof's fault....

Both sides have responsibilities, but there _is_ a difference between entertainment and engagement. Think about Ben Stein's character in Ferris Bueller's Day Off "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller?" I'd call that un-engaged. However, the way teachers engage their students need not be entertaining. I was forced to a read a book by the teacher I disliked the most in high school. My dislike wasn't for the workload, but because of her style. Yet that book has become my all-time favorite. I don't recommend her approach, but you couldn't say she wasn't engaged with her students.

iPhD
Jan 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
I totally disagree. It's the professors job to engage the students. Students are paying the school and the professors. If the professors don't uphold their end of the deal students might as well just read the book and learn on their own. I applaud the effort of Professor Samson.

Oh, I'm applauding him, also. I think tools in the classroom are great. When I fire up my own classroom, I feel like Lt. Sulu on the deck of the Enterprise.

My job as a prof is to be an expert in my field (math, by the way) and facilitate an individual's learning of it. If an individual is bored, the teacher can only do so much to try and engage him/her. You don't get a grade for warming the chair. Well, actually, some students do and then they wonder why it is an F.

In this story, I took issue with this tool and an adaptation of it getting presented as a way to grab the bored. Education is far more than that.

mohmandm
Jan 12, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sounds like a tool I would have loved using in my college classes. That being said... Go Green!

spillproof
Jan 12, 2012, 01:55 PM
As a college student myself, I like this idea.

I already use "clickers" (response cards) and most recently and app on my iPhone that works as a clicker. The app it self was free and the license was $18 compared to $45 for a physical clicker.

If students can use more digital forms of learning, it saves them money (digital textbooks are hella cheaper, especially e-reader books) and can be more engaging.

That being said, I'm "old fashoned" and still prefer paper books with pen and paper. But, if the current younger generation grows up with all digital stuff, then I'm sure they'll prefer it.

And finally, it is the teachers job to be engaging. They can have all the iPads and apps they want, but if their teaching style puts kids to sleep regardless, then its all useless.

bstpierre
Jan 12, 2012, 04:18 PM
As a college student myself, I like this idea.

I already use "clickers" (response cards) and most recently and app on my iPhone that works as a clicker. The app it self was free and the license was $18 compared to $45 for a physical clicker.




There's a clicker app? My son goes to Michigan State and I think he owns both clicker I and clicker II. I am sure he would love to just use his iPhone if that was an option.

buddybd
Jan 13, 2012, 01:30 AM
There's a clicker app? My son goes to Michigan State and I think he owns both clicker I and clicker II. I am sure he would love to just use his iPhone if that was an option.

Ya there is one, my friend uses it for his class. I didn't get a chance to use it myself though.

I too support this, I want textbooks to go digital and ereaders to be mainstream, I also want the prices of said textbooks (or all ebooks actually) to adjust accordingly. Just being 2USD cheaper than the physical version is not worth it considering that you can sell the book after you are done with it.

icanhazapple
Jan 13, 2012, 08:36 AM
Go Blue!

talmy
Jan 13, 2012, 09:28 AM
I too support this, I want textbooks to go digital and ereaders to be mainstream, I also want the prices of said textbooks (or all ebooks actually) to adjust accordingly. Just being 2USD cheaper than the physical version is not worth it considering that you can sell the book after you are done with it.

Book publishing is an old, creaky system with too many middle men. As long as professors continue to require books from these "old school" publishers we will continue to see the high overhead. I went to self-publishing my textbook for microcontrollers. Ten years ago my students were paying $120 for a textbook. For the past eight years they've received an ebook for free. They can pay for a printed copy, and printing is really inexpensive once you eliminate most of the middlemen (I've used lulu.com but now use createspace.com, a division of amazon.com -- check them out!)

jazz1
Jan 13, 2012, 10:42 AM
I can see it now. "My dog ate my iPad".

buddybd
Jan 13, 2012, 01:48 PM
Book publishing is an old, creaky system with too many middle men. As long as professors continue to require books from these "old school" publishers we will continue to see the high overhead. I went to self-publishing my textbook for microcontrollers. Ten years ago my students were paying $120 for a textbook. For the past eight years they've received an ebook for free. They can pay for a printed copy, and printing is really inexpensive once you eliminate most of the middlemen (I've used lulu.com but now use createspace.com, a division of amazon.com -- check them out!)

Oh wow thats awesome. Thanks for the tip that'll really save me some cash!

nateo200
Jan 13, 2012, 02:25 PM
Not every student has the $500 textbook for the class.

Oh wait, yes they do, because it's a listed required material.

The same person will pay for the iPad as the person who paid for the textbook, be it scholarship money, the student themselves, or the parent.
+1
Sounds fun, but it makes students focus on their own personal device instead on the same physical board. All students looking at the same board can create a stronger "group bond" in a way, I think.

Also, who would pay for iPads and laptops for each student? Because not all students have these.
Is this a joke?! "If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it" - JP Morgan, his statement was arrogant as hell but I love quoting him when I get people who "can't pay for things". Everyone of the kids I know has dropped a considerable amount of cash for school on a variety of things. If you can't pay for it too bad, otherwise get a job, sell crack, join the army, or have mom and dad pay.

tartaruga
Jan 13, 2012, 02:38 PM
The assumption underlying the approach taken by this app is that since students spend a lot of time online, digital classroom interactions will increase student engagement. Personally, I'm suspicious of this approach, and I prefer an old-school teaching approach that incorporates new technology but focuses on verbal interaction. I use Keynote for presentation software so I don't have to spend time writing on the board (the iPhone Keynote Remote app gives me the freedom to roam the classroom), but I've banned students from using any electronic devices in class. Experience has shown me that students who use laptops take poor notes, preferring to act like stenographers rather than active listeners. On the face of it, this app appears to avoid that problem, and I applaud their efforts, but I remain suspicious because it intentionally helps students avoid verbalizing their ideas or condense what the professor said into their own words. There is a lot of value in having students actually write down notes by hand and speak in class, believe it or not. Increasingly, students don't like to do it, but it's still good for them. My underlying belief is that technology should be a tool not a crutch, and I feel a need to push it into the background as much as possible. Being able to articulate an idea verbally and take good notes are important skills that I fear is being lost in the shift to a more online-oriented approach, and I think that the only way avoid this pitfall is to focus the classroom on that kind of interaction. For me, it's not just learning the material, it's also about learning how to put that material to good use. I'm a history professor, by the way, so maybe I'm still a bit suspicious of technology for its own sake, and I certainly don't want to sound dismissive of this app, which might be extremely useful if combined with other approaches in the classroom. I just want to make sure that we're not throwing out the baby with the bath water.

spillproof
Jan 13, 2012, 03:28 PM
There's a clicker app? My son goes to Michigan State and I think he owns both clicker I and clicker II. I am sure he would love to just use his iPhone if that was an option.

There are a few companies who produce "clicker" type devices and apps. However, they are all on different standards so a new clicker is needed for each company.

The one I was referring to, ResponseWare, is produced by Turning Technologies (http://www.turningtechnologies.com/). But, again, the app can only be used with their computer software and receiver.

systole
Jan 14, 2012, 11:43 PM
If only this were used as apart of my Cisco CCNP courses, as interactivity makes difficult material much easier to learn during lectures.

It would also be interesting to see if this levels the playing field, in terms of who is asking the questions in classes where this is being utilized...

Winter Charm
Jan 15, 2012, 09:58 AM
No, they don't. Many students make do with course reserves from the library.

At my University, a laptop is required.
If you cannot afford one, you can rent one from the Univ.