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hakr100
Jan 16, 2012, 12:22 PM
Apple co-founder prefers Android to iPhone

Published January 16, 2012

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says hes a fan of phones powered by Googles Android mobile operating system, the Daily Beast reported.

While still the proud owner of an iPhone, Woz admits that in certain situations -- such as voice commands and GPS -- Android is a better bet.

I have a lower success rate with Siri than I do with the voice built into the Android, and that bothers me, Woz told the Daily Beast. Ill be saying, over and over again in my car, 'Call the Lark Creek Steak House,' and I cant get it done. Then I pick up my Android, say the same thing, and it's done."

"Plus I get navigation. Android is way ahead on that," he added.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/16/apple-co-founder-prefers-android/#ixzz1jeA5Co00



saving107
Jan 16, 2012, 12:26 PM
This is not new information. To be fair, Steve Wozniak just likes gadgets in general and has no brand loyalty.

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matttye
Jan 16, 2012, 12:27 PM
Yep.

"navigate home" on android, so simple and it works perfectly :)
Or "navigate (address)"
Not sure if "navigate (contact)" works but I imagine it does.

Dr McKay
Jan 16, 2012, 12:31 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and preference. If anyone can actually get angry over someone elses preferences in technology, they should really look at themselves as a human being.

Certinfy
Jan 16, 2012, 12:34 PM
I have a lower success rate with Siri than I do with the voice built into the Android, and that bothers me

Got to say it's the same for me. Android's thing understands me brilliantly while Siri really doesn't.

onthecouchagain
Jan 16, 2012, 12:35 PM
Honestly, these days, both OSes have come so far that they are nearly identical in terms of stability and lag; this is really no longer a talking point of comparison. It's really coming down to what features each of us feel is more important that we can get out of each OS. This is a good thing that benefits the end consumer. Go iOS, and go ICS.

maflynn
Jan 16, 2012, 12:35 PM
Meh,

I see no problems with Woz liking android. He chooses what works best and there's nothing with that.

Given his desire to delve into the nuts and bolts of things, android is a natural fit for him.

MacDawg
Jan 16, 2012, 12:53 PM
My uncle prefers Android too
Apparently a number of people do

LordJohnWhorfin
Jan 16, 2012, 01:04 PM
From the looks of it he is more likely to be needing directions to the gym than to the steakhouse.

apollo1444
Jan 16, 2012, 01:08 PM
From the looks of it he is more likely to be needing directions to the gym than to the steakhouse.

i see what you did there.. :D

SandboxGeneral
Jan 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
Good for Woz. It doesn't matter what he likes or doesn't, except to him. Get what you like and what works best for you and forget about what others think of it.

Woz is obviously open-minded enough to look past Apple and see other brands and gadgets that he thinks are good.

There really shouldn't be a war among people of which phone is better, because it's all subjective anyway.

TM WAZZA
Jan 16, 2012, 01:34 PM
Woz is trolling.

lol nah, Woz is a fanboy of technology and has no loyalty to a company.

fireshot91
Jan 16, 2012, 01:35 PM
There's nothing surprising. He prefers some features of Android, and prefers some features of iOS.

He's a tech-guy, who just gets the newest things no matter what brand.

Let the man enjoy what he likes.

bengtc
Jan 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
Would love for iOS to update its navigation

ChazUK
Jan 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
Woz likes what he likes.
I like what I like.
You like what you like.

Everyone wins. :D

thekev
Jan 16, 2012, 01:50 PM
Wozniak is pretty cool. He doesn't seem to make anything personal, and he tells anecdotes like they are (anecdotes). He related his statement to a story. It's not so much of a tech write up, but rather his personal experience, and he isn't malicious about it.

cynics
Jan 16, 2012, 01:59 PM
As far as voice recognition goes I've never had good luck with. Siri is one of the best I've used even compared to google.

Navigation isn't comparable . I find the iPhone to be almost useless unless I'm on foot in like a city following a pin.

Strange for him to announce that publicly IMO but its cool he's unbiased.

mrsir2009
Jan 16, 2012, 02:18 PM
Android is very good running on the right hardware :)

hakr100
Jan 16, 2012, 02:26 PM
I don't use Siri. I also think Google's freebie GPS nav app is the best I've seen of that sort of app for a smart phone.

kas23
Jan 16, 2012, 02:35 PM
That's not all Woz said. He also said:

With the iPhone, something happened with the new OS or the new phone, and it just started running through the battery so fast. Ive had a lot of issues with things I have to turn off just to save the battery life.

Mochi Hana
Jan 16, 2012, 03:04 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and preference. If anyone can actually get angry over someone elses preferences in technology, they should really look at themselves as a human being.
This, honestly. I never understand why people get into name-calling and other petty arguments just because someone else prefers another platform.

Leonard1818
Jan 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
ironically, I find the speech to text functionality of the iPhone to be leagues ahead of my android experience... I can actually text in the car (well, speak and it will conver to text for me) without the fear of telling someone something vulger!

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and I don't really use siri. Ever.

B777Forevar
Jan 16, 2012, 03:58 PM
The navigation app on Android is pretty cool.

SporkLover
Jan 16, 2012, 04:38 PM
I've said the same thing after adopting the iPHone after 2+ years of Android usage.

I found Google Voice search to be able to more, and more consistently than Siri (although there isn't a personality), and Navigation is just light years ahead. There isn't a integrated Navigation that iOS offers, nor third party apps, that compares to the Google Nav experience.

Competition is good though. In the near future we will see both platforms continually closing these different Gaps on each other.

IMHO, where google really needs it is in the Eco System department. I can't beging to describe to you how nice the Apple system is compared to Google's. Google doesnt have a unified approach, there are disparate efforts that really does leave users with a less than satisfying experience.

I have my iTunes gripes, but it's nice to be able to hook up (or wirelessly sync) to my home PC, add music/update software/sync pics/Backup with one software package, and often with little to no clicks.

The future is looking good for we consumers.

lordofthereef
Jan 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
Android is better for voice and navigation. Consumption of media in virtually every aspect i sbetter on the iPhone. THat is what keeps me coming back.

AlexJaye
Jan 16, 2012, 05:11 PM
I too prefer Android's navigation to iOS' free maps app. Maybe one day Siri will evolve into voice navigation for free and the iPhone will catch up to Android in that area. For everything else, though, I prefer iOS.

Savor
Jan 16, 2012, 05:24 PM
I remember a scene in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol where a rich debonair had a tray full of cell phones served to him like a cocktail and he just picked whatever one he liked. That's how I feel with The Woz when he states he loves gadgets and can use up to 10 different phones at a time. He has a disposable income and buys these devices like candy. It is great to have options.

Woz is just a great guy. Perhaps the better human being "Steve" of Apple since he is like the patron saint of uber-geeks at The Valley. Him being a MULTI-platform user and gadget lover knows each phones strengths and weaknesses. He knows certain things that one OS can do better than the other. The iPhones are still great devices, but he knows it isn't the best or perfect at everything it can do. Same can be said with the competition. Woz saying it like it is.

acfusion29
Jan 16, 2012, 05:41 PM
“I have a lower success rate with Siri than I do with the voice built into the Android, and that bothers me”

Got to say it's the same for me. Android's thing understands me brilliantly while Siri really doesn't.


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Rocko1
Jan 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
Woz also likes Puerto Rican hookers and a good 8-ball, what's your point?

JoeG4
Jan 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
When i saw voice I thought he was talking about google voice (which ROCKS), but this is a surprising one XD I never really use the voice feature, if it's that good perhaps I should. :)

Papanate
Jan 16, 2012, 06:22 PM
Wait...did you also suss out what car he drives?

cynics
Jan 16, 2012, 06:29 PM
Woz also likes Puerto Rican hookers and a good 8-ball, what's your point?

So he has good taste!

Tsuchiya
Jan 16, 2012, 06:45 PM
If there is one thing I've taken away from Steve Jobs autobiography, it's that Woz is most definitely a good, honest guy who genuinely loves tech.

Naturally he will look at other devices and form his own preferences :p

Rodimus Prime
Jan 16, 2012, 07:20 PM
Yep.

"navigate home" on android, so simple and it works perfectly :)
Or "navigate (address)"
Not sure if "navigate (contact)" works but I imagine it does.

It does work that way. You can say Navigate to (contact) home/work and assuming the said contacts address is in your contacts then it will do it. The google voice system relays on key words to do its taste more so than siri but it seems to do better at getting the words correct. Kind of sad considering the system Apple is using (Nuance) sets the standard in speech to text.

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So is googles system. What is your point. That beta tag is wearing very thin on Siri. Beta is apples excuse for blocking it from everything but the 4S but lets face it Siri is not a beta. It just over hyped.

Nuance makes great speech to text software. Apple back end on the other hand is under powered and I would not be surprised if Apple tried to cheap out on it.

lordofthereef
Jan 16, 2012, 08:04 PM
If there is one thing I've taken away from Steve Jobs autobiography, it's that Woz is most definitely a good, honest guy who genuinely loves tech.

Naturally he will look at other devices and form his own preferences :p

I wasn't aware Steve wrote an autobiography! :confused: :p

Fudd
Jan 16, 2012, 08:08 PM
I've found Siri to be very accurate sometimes and then going into WTF mode a few hours later where it can't even understand very simple sentences.

For example "Find the nearest best buy" seems to work 99% of the time. The one time I tried to demo it to some relatives, it said "I'm sorry I don't know what <gibberish but french sounding phrase> means".

Anyway if the Woz says something is better, it probably is!

irDigital0l
Jan 16, 2012, 08:10 PM
Apple co-founder prefers Android to iPhone

Published January 16, 2012

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says hes a fan of phones powered by Googles Android mobile operating system, the Daily Beast reported.

While still the proud owner of an iPhone, Woz admits that in certain situations -- such as voice commands and GPS -- Android is a better bet.

I have a lower success rate with Siri than I do with the voice built into the Android, and that bothers me, Woz told the Daily Beast. Ill be saying, over and over again in my car, 'Call the Lark Creek Steak House,' and I cant get it done. Then I pick up my Android, say the same thing, and it's done."

"Plus I get navigation. Android is way ahead on that," he added.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/16/apple-co-founder-prefers-android/#ixzz1jeA5Co00

I agree...

come on I want Siri for iPhone 4 and turn by turn navigation.

labman
Jan 16, 2012, 08:12 PM
Woz loves technology and isn't afraid to try new things even if it's the competition. he allot more laid back then Steve was but if roles were switch I doubt Apple would be where it is now. I also think that the Jailbrake community is not a big deal to Woz.

mysterioustko
Jan 16, 2012, 08:46 PM
Android is better for voice and navigation. Consumption of media in virtually every aspect i sbetter on the iPhone. THat is what keeps me coming back.
I have to disagree with you. I find any sort of video consumption to be lacking primarily due to the tiny screen size. Especially if you watch something with widescreen formatting...doesn't go well with that 4:3 aspect ratio.


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People throw this excuse around way too much. Apple touts Siri as one of their headlining features in the 4s, the whole beta excuse is pretty stale.

Woz loves technology and isn't afraid to try new things even if it's the competition. he allot more laid back then Steve was but if roles were switch I doubt Apple would be where it is now. I also think that the Jailbrake community is not a big deal to Woz.
I don't think anyone outside of the those that are entrenched in the iphone camp is all that impressed with the jailbreak community. While it is great for iphone users, in the end they for the most part add functionality that you should already be able to get out of the box (and that you get out of the box on many other devices). That being said, I do think the jailbreak community serves an important role for iphone users, otherwise it would be a severely handicapped device IMO.

SprSynJn
Jan 16, 2012, 09:02 PM
iPhone doesn't have a free navigation app correct? Of course he's going to like Android's more then...

saving107
Jan 16, 2012, 09:25 PM
iPhone doesn't have a free navigation app correct? Of course he's going to like Android's more then...

iOS does, its called MapQuest and it provides Free Turn-by-Turn Navigation (I use it all the time, its very accurate and reliable, oh and also Free).

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8288/screenshot20120116at726.png
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8

SporkLover
Jan 16, 2012, 09:29 PM
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Apple touts it as a defining feature on a production phone........ Call it an Alpha release if you want..... it will always be compared to the competition no matter what anyone says about it.

nfl46
Jan 16, 2012, 09:31 PM
iOS does, its called MapQuest and it provides Free Turn-by-Turn Navigation (I use it all the time, its very accurate and reliable, oh and also Free).

Image (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8288/screenshot20120116at726.png)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8

Waze is much better, plus its free. :)

SurferMan
Jan 16, 2012, 10:01 PM
iOS does, its called MapQuest and it provides Free Turn-by-Turn Navigation (I use it all the time, its very accurate and reliable, oh and also Free).

Image (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8288/screenshot20120116at726.png)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8No where near as good or integrated as Googles Nav, for one thing you can have various views from 3D to birdseye just like a normal cars Nav system, you have voice guided turn by turn with advance notice, and the rerouting of a course is so much quicker then any other Nav app I've tried especially if you get off a highway and have to drive a bunch of random streets to get to a food place or whatever like I just did heading to Tampa lol, and it's automatic rerouting ability with heavy traffic is top notch. I've used mapquest nav on the iPhone, as well as Waze and other paid apps like telenav and navigon. I still much prefer the Google Nav integration on Android.

saving107
Jan 16, 2012, 10:26 PM
No where near as good or integrated as Googles Nav, for one thing you can have various views from 3D to birdseye just like a normal cars Nav system, you have voice guided turn by turn with advance notice, and the rerouting of a course is so much quicker then any other Nav app I've tried especially if you get off a highway and have to drive a bunch of random streets to get to a food place or whatever like I just did heading to Tampa lol, and it's automatic rerouting ability with heavy traffic is top notch. I've used mapquest nav on the iPhone, as well as Waze and other paid apps like telenav and navigon. I still much prefer the Google Nav integration on Android.

I didn't say it was better, but you asked:

iPhone doesn't have a free navigation app correct? Of course he's going to like Android's more then...

I was just pointing out that yes it does. That is all.

SurferMan
Jan 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
I didn't say it was better, but you asked:



I was just pointing out that yes it does. That is all.
I didn't ask? That was the other guy lol

nfl46
Jan 17, 2012, 01:22 AM
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Now, that I think about it, it's funny Woz mentions this. Maybe it is a hint that iOS 6 will have Apple Maps (the huge selling point in ios 6) and Siri 2.0. It's obvious this is coming. I remember an article a while back about Apple Maps. We all know the maps app in the iPhone needs updating, it's so blah right now, plus we haven't had firmware updates for Siri. Siri will probably be much better later on this year once Apple launches its iTV, etc. I think a lot of people are looking forward to being Apple to use Siri to launch any application or do something like, "Please restart my phone."

Calidude
Jan 17, 2012, 01:58 AM
\To be fair, Steve Wozniak just likes gadgets in general and has no brand loyalty.
Good. Having brand loyalty is illogical.

Zxxv
Jan 17, 2012, 01:59 AM
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beta is the battery not Siri.

Tsuchiya
Jan 17, 2012, 03:07 AM
I wasn't aware Steve wrote an autobiography! :confused: :p

I thought I might have gotten the terms mixed up...:D

SprSynJn
Jan 17, 2012, 06:42 AM
I was just pointing out that yes it does. That is all.

I should have been more specific. The application you're talking about isn't provided by Apple, it's third party. Android has built in navigation into the maps application. The two shouldn't be compared to just because they're free.

mysterioustko
Jan 17, 2012, 07:16 AM
Waze is much better, plus its free. :)

I should have been more specific. The application you're talking about isn't provided by Apple, it's third party. Android has built in navigation into the maps application. The two shouldn't be compared to just because they're free.

To be honest I don't think they're comparable anyway considering that Google Navigation is integrated into the OS and the iOS ones are not.

nfl46
Jan 17, 2012, 07:21 AM
To be honest I don't think they're comparable anyway considering that Google Navigation is integrated into the OS and the iOS ones are not.

I agree. Google Navigation on those 4.3" and above Android phones screen looks really nice. I loved it when I had my Galaxy S2.

mysterioustko
Jan 17, 2012, 07:32 AM
I agree. Google Navigation on those 4.3" and above Android phones screen looks really nice. I loved it when I had my Galaxy S2.

Yeah I have in-dash navigation in my car yet I still find myself using my phone's navigation more frequently just because it's so much easier to just say "navigate to xyz" than to punch in an address in the gps system.

terraphantm
Jan 17, 2012, 12:14 PM
Meh,

I see no problems with Woz liking android. He chooses what works best and there's nothing with that.

Given his desire to delve into the nuts and bolts of things, android is a natural fit for him.
Indeed. I'm also one of those people who likes to delve into the "nuts and bolts" of things... only reason I'm on iOS today is because of jailbreaking (and I have a decent bit of money invested in apps). The resale value of iOS devices is nice too.... basically can always have the latest release without spending much more than the initial $300 I spent a few years back.

SurferMan
Jan 17, 2012, 12:31 PM
Yeah I have in-dash navigation in my car yet I still find myself using my phone's navigation more frequently just because it's so much easier to just say "navigate to xyz" than to punch in an address in the gps system.Same here, even in my truck I end up using Google Nav instead sometimes lol, the mount I have charges the phone and streams music to the unit and it's in the perfect position to speak to or type on screen. Much easier to use too on the 4.3" screen then Telenav or Navigon on my iPhones. But the integration when searching for stuff on the go or in general rocks, and on the way up to Tampa recently it automatically re-routed us to avoid a nasty traffic snarl well in advance. It's especially useful when traveling whether for business or pleasure.

Not sure why Apple doesn't offer anything like it, I mean they acquired PlaceBase so they may make some adjustments to maps but I don't think they'll offer anything like Google Nav. I see Apple being more contempt to let users purchase the Nav app(s) they want from the store.

I just realized Waze is on Android market, not idea who the heck would use that over Google Nav lol?

Abstract
Jan 18, 2012, 07:12 AM
I don't really have a preference for voice calls, but navigation is better on my Galaxy 2, and even my web browser. I like iTunes for playing movies (NATIVE subtitle support), but I have a better solution on my Android (Moboplayer). :o


I still can't type in Japanese on Android, though. :rolleyes: Actually, I can, but it's annoying and I don't like it.

And some of the apps I need are better on iPhone.

SprSynJn
Jan 18, 2012, 07:19 AM
To be honest I don't think they're comparable anyway considering that Google Navigation is integrated into the OS and the iOS ones are not.

That's exactly what I said...

I still can't type in Japanese on Android, though. :rolleyes: Actually, I can, but it's annoying and I don't like it.

I couldn't stand typing in English on my Android, much less Japanese. It doesn't feel anyway near as fluid as it does on an iOS device.

alex2792
Jan 18, 2012, 10:21 AM
I switched to Galaxy Nexus for that reason. None of the free nav apps I tried were good enough and I'm not dropping $20+ to get the same functionality was free on my Android phone. Well that and the tiny screen.

SurferMan
Jan 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
I couldn't stand typing in English on my Android, much less Japanese. It doesn't feel anyway near as fluid as it does on an iOS device.Stock keyboard was ok, but Swype and Swiftkey rock. Especially Swype, after a few months of using it and it learning your words and style, it's so accurate and fast. Both I like much better than the keyboard on my iPhones. I was using my 4 the other day and missing so many key's when browsing lol, I had the same thing happen at first with the 4.3" GS2 as I was used to the screen size of the iPhone, now it's the opposite for me lol. Both boards excel at editing though, I couldn't stand the editing on the iPhone as it's so clumsy and rarely goes where you want it to be, so many complaints through the years for them to fix that but they haven't. They need to do something like Androids edit feature where you can touch where you want and drag the cursor to any letter etc and quickly edit.

baller1308
Jan 18, 2012, 10:45 AM
I think Siri is a good start and I only see it getting better in the future. I'm not too bent out of shape on the navigation as I just use my Garmin for travelling anyway, but having true navigation built in to the OS would be pretty nice. Maybe we'll see that in the next iPhone since iirc there was an article about the 3d navigation.

iceterminal
Jan 18, 2012, 10:46 AM
....so?

chakraj
Jan 18, 2012, 11:13 AM
I can tell you that the voice typing on my Galaxy Nexus gets it right much more often than my I$S did, and when the room is noisy or in a moving car its a huge difference. I would have to repeat to Siri over and over and then just type it because it was never right. On android its right the first time most of the time.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
tacky

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He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.

Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded people to be able to say "yeah right even Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android." He just wants some nerd-hero fame which is a reaction to how Steve was always so much more alpha than him while he was alive. Its like a subliminal snub due to insecurity.

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

And on top of that none of those elements matter. He tried to paint it as a portrait where the details are superior on Android and to try to make it feel like Android is not the one with horrendous trash-ware in general. The point of iPhone is the touch response, the feedback, the details, the performance, the smoothness. Nobody does anything but text and browse the web anyways. And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response.

chakraj
Jan 18, 2012, 11:18 AM
I guess the truth is tacky then. All he did was tell the truth.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 11:28 AM
I guess the truth is tacky then. All he did was tell the truth.

Existence is a bit more complicated than that my son.



And Google Nav is not available on iOS so how can it be the best? Since you have to run it on Android that means your touch response will be subpar. Whatever advantages or features of convenience it has are void and nullified due to the ugly Android touch response.

I would rather uses Navigon on trips and Google Maps when looking for restaurants/street views, than to get on a sluggish Android device.

chakraj
Jan 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
Daddy, Daddy, is that you? And here I thought you died years ago. What are you doing on Mac Forums you old codger.

Centient
Jan 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
I really can't see anything controversial in what Woz has said.

I've used both platforms, and for almost everything I want a phone to do I prefer the iPhone. However Google Nav is really well done, simple to use, and very accurate. I've not found anything as nice as it for iOS. GV is also good, but I've not used Siri so I can't compare the two.

Anyway, Woz's overall statement, that for those uninterested or afraid of getting into the nitty gritty of a phone, the iPhone is the best choice. I'd wager that constitutes the majority of phone owners out there.

SurferMan
Jan 18, 2012, 12:06 PM
And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response.sorry I own both, and the i777 version of the S2 with the Exynos is just as smooth and fast, and no sluggishness.... both are great phones, you can tell on here who drinks the koolaid on either side, and looks like you had a glass or two this morning. BTW I have paid Navigon and Telenav and still prefer Google Nav integration and ease of use.

Your other response is pretty funny since my gf is psychologist and I sent her the Wozs' article and your post, thanks for the laugh lol.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 12:07 PM
I really can't see anything controversial in what Woz has said.

I've used both platforms, and for almost everything I want a phone to do I prefer the iPhone. However Google Nav is really well done, simple to use, and very accurate. I've not found anything as nice as it for iOS. GV is also good, but I've not used Siri so I can't compare the two.

Anyway, Woz's overall statement, that for those uninterested or afraid of getting into the nitty gritty of a phone, the iPhone is the best choice. I'd wager that constitutes the majority of phone owners out there.

Open your MIND...

Think about it... whats his motivation?

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sorry I own both, and the i777 version of the S2 with the Exynos is just as smooth and fast

Sorry my dad has one so...

I also have total access to both.

Centient
Jan 18, 2012, 12:11 PM
open you MIND

Think about it... whats his motivation?[COLOR="#808080"]

To point out all the iPhones flaws and drive Apples stocks into the ground. Thereby cripple his own share holdings, leaving him broke and destitute so that he's forced into a starvation diet to avoid his inevitable date with Type 2 diabetes? 'Help me! I can't help myself!' are what I'm reading in those forlorn, hollow, and feigned smiles he's always flashing.

I mean that's just what I took to be the subtext of the article.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 12:12 PM
lol

Tarzanman
Jan 18, 2012, 12:32 PM
One thing lots of people like about Woz is that he is generally more likeable, more respectable and more honest than the vast majority of silicon valley tycoons.

If Woz says he likes feature <Y> over feature <Q>, then that is probably the truth and he probably has legitimate reasons for saying so.

Tacky? No. Tacky is putting fanboy loyalty above honesty and pretending like Apple's device is the best at everything when it is clearly and demonstrably worse at certain functions.

matttye
Jan 18, 2012, 12:45 PM
tacky

tacky

tacky

tacky

He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.

Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded people to be able to say "yeah right even Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android." He just wants some nerd-hero fame which is a reaction to how Steve was always so much more alpha than him while he was alive. Its like a subliminal snub due to insecurity.

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

And on top of that none of those elements matter. He tried to paint it as a portrait where the details are superior on Android and to try to make it feel like Android is not the one with horrendous trash-ware in general. The point of iPhone is the touch response, the feedback, the details, the performance, the smoothness. Nobody does anything but text and browse the web anyways. And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response.

Or maybe he just likes his android?

Stop over thinking things. You must be a nightmare to live with.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
One thing lots of people like about Woz is that he is generally more likeable, more respectable and more honest than the vast majority of silicon valley tycoons.

If Woz says he likes feature <Y> over feature <Q>, then that is probably the truth and he probably has legitimate reasons for saying so.

Tacky? No. Tacky is putting fanboy loyalty above honesty and pretending like Apple's device is the best at everything when it is clearly and demonstrably worse at certain functions.

Not the important ones.

chakraj
Jan 18, 2012, 03:30 PM
Not the important ones.

Thats a very subjective statement, important to whom? You?

matttye
Jan 18, 2012, 03:33 PM
Not the important ones.

Navigation is very important to me and android wipes the floor with ios.

Mortalias
Jan 18, 2012, 04:25 PM
To be fair, Woz has a point. Integrate a great navigation system into Maps and make Siri 2.0 do more than it currently does and the iPhone will be unmatched.

Zxxv
Jan 18, 2012, 04:33 PM
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I really can't see anything controversial in what Woz has said.

I've used both platforms, and for almost everything I want a phone to do I prefer the iPhone. However Google Nav is really well done, simple to use, and very accurate. I've not found anything as nice as it for iOS. GV is also good, but I've not used Siri so I can't compare the two.

Anyway, Woz's overall statement, that for those uninterested or afraid of getting into the nitty gritty of a phone, the iPhone is the best choice. I'd wager that constitutes the majority of phone owners out there.

Open your MIND...

Think about it... whats his motivation?

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sorry I own both, and the i777 version of the S2 with the Exynos is just as smooth and fast

Sorry my dad has one so...

I also have total access to both.

What's his motivation?

To make someone in apple take notice and improve the iPhone?

Puevlo
Jan 18, 2012, 04:39 PM
Well one thing we can all agree on is that Woz is a total traitor to the Apple brand.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 05:01 PM
Thats a very subjective statement, important to whom? You?

To the masses.

Navigation is very important to me and android wipes the floor with ios.

Not when you consider there is Navigon, Tom Tom, and Motion X amongst various free offerings that are all excellent and plenty integrated all rolled up into the superior iOS touch response. How complicated does navigation need to be? If you get there you get there. Its a very arbitrary thing to point out as an advantage.

You have to ask yourself what is on his hidden agenda?

Well one thing we can all agree on is that Woz is a total traitor to the Apple brand.

Agreed.

walie
Jan 18, 2012, 05:14 PM
Not when you consider there is Navigon, Tom Tom, and Motion X amongst various free offerings that are all excellent and plenty integrated all rolled up into the superior iOS touch response. How complicated does navigation need to be? If you get there you get there. Its a very arbitrary thing to point out as an advantage.



Android:

you say "navigate home" --> Google nav navigates home

how does the iPhone "superior touch response" factor in when you don't even touch the phone??

lordofthereef
Jan 18, 2012, 05:22 PM
Not when you consider there is Navigon, Tom Tom, and Motion X amongst various free offerings that are all excellent and plenty integrated all rolled up into the superior iOS touch response. How complicated does navigation need to be? If you get there you get there. Its a very arbitrary thing to point out as an advantage.

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Nothing you listed can hold a candle to Android navigation. Even most diehard Apple fans are able to agree with that. It seems to me you have your own opinion and are translating that to what the "masses" think. I spend a lot of time on various forums. The masses disagree.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 18, 2012, 05:37 PM
Android:

you say "navigate home" --> Google nav navigates home

how does the iPhone "superior touch response" factor in when you don't even touch the phone??

oh crap, it does that? Nevermind that part then lol...

Grimsrud
Jan 18, 2012, 05:44 PM
Voice commands are basically just a novelty to me, but I really wish that Apple would upgrade the GPS function of the iPhone. I'm guessing that their squabbles with Google have something to do with the lack of voice navigation in the Maps app. The free MapQuest app does the job most of the time, but that's just not good enough. I've had the thing crash more than once.

lordofthereef
Jan 18, 2012, 05:54 PM
Voice commands are basically just a novelty to me, but I really wish that Apple would upgrade the GPS function of the iPhone. I'm guessing that their squabbles with Google have something to do with the lack of voice navigation in the Maps app.

I think you are right on the money here. I remember, a couple months to maybe a year back, reading that Apple was working on their own turn by turn solution.

Dweez
Jan 18, 2012, 05:55 PM
To be quite honest, I own an Android (HTC Incredible) device and an iPhone 4. While I like the UI better on the iPhone, I find myself with the Incredible in my hands more often than the iPhone.

mysterioustko
Jan 18, 2012, 09:06 PM
tacky

tacky

tacky

tacky

He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.

Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded people to be able to say "yeah right even Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android." He just wants some nerd-hero fame which is a reaction to how Steve was always so much more alpha than him while he was alive. Its like a subliminal snub due to insecurity.

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

And on top of that none of those elements matter. He tried to paint it as a portrait where the details are superior on Android and to try to make it feel like Android is not the one with horrendous trash-ware in general. The point of iPhone is the touch response, the feedback, the details, the performance, the smoothness. Nobody does anything but text and browse the web anyways. And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response.

How is him stating that something is better elsewhere a shot a Steve Jobs? You're really reaching.... By the way, Woz doesn't need to try to get fame. The same people who are discussing this already knew who he was in the first place. Also, if you took the time to read the first article from the source instead of this link then you would have saw that he actually said he thinks the iphone is a better device for most people (those who are a bit afraid of computers). He didn't state anything that was not true. Give the unmitigated fanboy stance a rest.

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Voice commands are basically just a novelty to me, but I really wish that Apple would upgrade the GPS function of the iPhone. I'm guessing that their squabbles with Google have something to do with the lack of voice navigation in the Maps app. The free MapQuest app does the job most of the time, but that's just not good enough. I've had the thing crash more than once.

Depends on the command. I find that it is much faster for me to just say "Call Best Buy" than to look up the nearest Best Buy and call it. I find it's much faster for me to say "Navigate to Applebees's" than to look up the address to the Applebee's and then go into the nav app. I use those features all the time. When I order chinese, I never look the phone number up. I always just say "Call China Cafe" and it calls it. That is much more convenient than looking it up, so I'd hardly call that a novelty, and after having used this feature for two years, I've come to rely on it.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 19, 2012, 03:01 PM
How is him stating that something is better elsewhere a shot a Steve Jobs? You're really reaching.... By the way, Woz doesn't need to try to get fame. The same people who are discussing this already knew who he was in the first place. Also, if you took the time to read the first article from the source instead of this link then you would have saw that he actually said he thinks the iphone is a better device for most people (those who are a bit afraid of computers). He didn't state anything that was not true. Give the unmitigated fanboy stance a rest.[COLOR="#808080"]


Humans are very competitive. Despite his fame. In all accounts he is described as having a childlike immaturity.

If he wanted to point out the truth he should have said Androids are for geeks and freaks, and that he has geek pride, not saying Apple is for people who are afraid of computers.

Anyway, Apple is a better more solid choice as a consumer in general, its not a computer for dummies. Thats a backhanded compliment.

sneaky butcher
Jan 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Well one thing we can all agree on is that Woz is a total traitor to the Apple brand.

i don't get people who are loyal to a brand. I think its the dumbest thing in the world.

lordofthereef
Jan 19, 2012, 05:00 PM
Humans are very competitive. Despite his fame. In all accounts he is described as having a childlike immaturity.



So the mature thing would have been NOT to tell a soul you prefer Android in these ways? Okay Mr. Psychology.

macmastersam
Jan 19, 2012, 05:03 PM
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While Siri is a nice gimmic for a phone, it doesn't understand people very well (especially the Scottish - no offence) and whats the point in speaking to your iPhone when it doesn't understand you???

SporkLover
Jan 19, 2012, 11:19 PM
He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.



Woz has already said that Voice commands and Navigation features are nicer on Android..... While SJ was alive even!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/exclusive-woz-misquoted-almost-every-app-that-i-have-is-bette/

mysterioustko
Jan 20, 2012, 12:37 AM
Humans are very competitive. Despite his fame. In all accounts he is described as having a childlike immaturity.

If he wanted to point out the truth he should have said Androids are for geeks and freaks, and that he has geek pride, not saying Apple is for people who are afraid of computers.

Anyway, Apple is a better more solid choice as a consumer in general, its not a computer for dummies. Thats a backhanded compliment.

What he said exactly right. The iphone is designed with a "computers for dummies" type approach. That is its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. When you buy an iphone you don't have think about how you want to set it up. You don't have to decide if you want to make any changes to it. That is great for someone who isn't very comfortable with having control, but it's awful for someone like myself who doesn't need things done and chosen for me. Apple takes a hand holding approach with their phone and that works for them since many people are tech verse. However for people like me, that same strength is a large weakness that causes people like me to not choose it as their daily driver. I'd rather not have the hand holding, I am perfectly capable of making my own choices and managing my own device. I would say his comment is on target. If you're a person who isn't afraid of having control, then Android is a better platform to use. However, if you're someone who might be a bit more tech averse, then iOS is a better platform for you generally.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 11:06 AM
What he said exactly right. The iphone is designed with a "computers for dummies" type approach. That is its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. When you buy an iphone you don't have think about how you want to set it up. You don't have to decide if you want to make any changes to it. That is great for someone who isn't very comfortable with having control, but it's awful for someone like myself who doesn't need things done and chosen for me. Apple takes a hand holding approach with their phone and that works for them since many people are tech verse. However for people like me, that same strength is a large weakness that causes people like me to not choose it as their daily driver. I'd rather not have the hand holding, I am perfectly capable of making my own choices and managing my own device. I would say his comment is on target. If you're a person who isn't afraid of having control, then Android is a better platform to use. However, if you're someone who might be a bit more tech averse, then iOS is a better platform for you generally.

Android is not better in any way. Its still trash in 2012. I know about tech and I still use iPhone. I don't even like LOOKING at the menus on Androids, let alone want to own one.

Simplicity is the height of perfection. These systems are balanced for usability.

Is a BMW easier to use than a 67 Chevy? Maybe, it has more automatic features and is more modern. Does that mean BMWs are for dummies because they are more elegant and automatic? Sure you like to work on your chevy, and maybe you can even soup up the engine to go as fast. But the handling will still be sub par and you are just wasting your time like a child on a hobby that doesn't really do anything for you. In the end the BMW is still the better consumer choice.

Woz is that gear head nerd that doesn't buy a new car because he can't work on the engine.

Its one thing to say Apples are easier to use due to superior design, but its another to try to say they are computers on training wheels for dummies and try to paint them in a negative light.

Whether you know what you're doing or not, Apple is still the better product.

And again, fancy voice commands aside, (which nobody uses IRL) Google Nav is still not better simply because you can't run it natively on iOS. It can't possibly be better if you have to get an Android to use it.

In the end Woz still owns an iPhone so your whole argument is moot anyway.

SurferMan
Jan 20, 2012, 11:28 AM
Android is not better in any way. Its still trash in 2012. I know about tech and I still use iPhone. I don't even like LOOKING at the menus on Androids, let alone want to own one.

Simplicity is the height of perfection. These systems are balanced for usability.

Is a BMW easier to use than a 67 Chevy? Maybe, it has more automatic features and is more modern. Does that mean BMWs are for dummies because they are more elegant and automatic? Sure you like to work on your chevy, and maybe you can even soup up the engine to go as fast. But the handling will still be sub par and you are just wasting your time like a child on a hobby that doesn't really do anything for you. In the end the BMW is still the better consumer choice.

Woz is that gear head nerd that doesn't buy a new car because he can't work on the engine.

Its one thing to say Apples are easier to use due to superior design, but its another to try to say they are computers on training wheels for dummies and try to paint them in a negative light.

Whether you know what you're doing or not, Apple is still the better product.

And again, fancy voice commands aside, (which nobody uses IRL) Google Nav is still not better simply because you can't run it natively on iOS. It can't possibly be better if you have to get an Android to use it.

In the end Woz still owns an iPhone so your whole argument is moot anyway.Still drinking that Koolaid? Your post are too easy to tear apart but I won't bother. All I'll say again is I own both, and totally disagree with everything you've said so far in these last couple post. And your car comparison is dumb and obviously you know nothing about building up cars b/c I can easily show you plenty of builds like a 67" Chevelle using your example that not only drives smooth on the road but will make an E92 M3 or E60 M5 feeling like a numb lumbering barge in handling. You've obviously never seen a pro-touring build.

Woz is just a tech guy plain and simple, you need to get out from that rock and get outside a little, man you take stuff way too seriously. Woz, immature? god lol.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 11:31 AM
Still drinking that Koolaid? Your post are too easy to tear apart but I won't bother. All I'll say again is I own both, and totally disagree with everything you've said so far in these last couple post. And your car comparison is dumb and obviously you know nothing about building up cars b/c I can easily show you plenty of builds like a 67" Chevelle using your example that not only drives smooth on the road but will make an E92 M3 or E60 M5 feeling like a numb lumbering barge in handling. you've obviously never seen a pro-touring build.

Lol you just lost.

Vegastouch
Jan 20, 2012, 11:39 AM
tacky

tacky

tacky

tacky

He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.

Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded people to be able to say "yeah right even Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android." He just wants some nerd-hero fame which is a reaction to how Steve was always so much more alpha than him while he was alive. Its like a subliminal snub due to insecurity.

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

And on top of that none of those elements matter. He tried to paint it as a portrait where the details are superior on Android and to try to make it feel like Android is not the one with horrendous trash-ware in general. The point of iPhone is the touch response, the feedback, the details, the performance, the smoothness. Nobody does anything but text and browse the web anyways. And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response.

Wow, you are a Apple fanboy through and through. This is just a horrendous post.

Woz just isnt close minded like Steve was. Nothing wrong with that.

Jare
Jan 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
Hell even I prefer Android, at least the latest iteration (ICS). My beef with Android is no longer the software now but the hardware.

Does this mean my iPhone 4s will be shelved? Nope.

mysterioustko
Jan 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
Android is not better in any way. Its still trash in 2012. I know about tech and I still use iPhone. I don't even like LOOKING at the menus on Androids, let alone want to own one.

Simplicity is the height of perfection. These systems are balanced for usability.

Is a BMW easier to use than a 67 Chevy? Maybe, it has more automatic features and is more modern. Does that mean BMWs are for dummies because they are more elegant and automatic? Sure you like to work on your chevy, and maybe you can even soup up the engine to go as fast. But the handling will still be sub par and you are just wasting your time like a child on a hobby that doesn't really do anything for you. In the end the BMW is still the better consumer choice.

Woz is that gear head nerd that doesn't buy a new car because he can't work on the engine.

Its one thing to say Apples are easier to use due to superior design, but its another to try to say they are computers on training wheels for dummies and try to paint them in a negative light.

Whether you know what you're doing or not, Apple is still the better product.

And again, fancy voice commands aside, (which nobody uses IRL) Google Nav is still not better simply because you can't run it natively on iOS. It can't possibly be better if you have to get an Android to use it.

In the end Woz still owns an iPhone so your whole argument is moot anyway.
Your are so biased it is ridiculous. I almost chose not to respond to you, but your post was so moronic that I couldn't help but to address it. Not better in any way? You've got to be kidding, there are plenty of ways it is better. Better nav (whether you want to admit it or not), better voice control, better customization, better cloud capabilities, better versatility...just to name a few things.

As for your poor analogy...actually a late model BMW is going to be much more complicated than an old Chevy. Old Chevy's don't have on-board nav, don't have heated seats, don't have heated mirrors, don't have seats with multiple user memory that you can program, etc. So yes the BMW WOULD be more complicated. Try again...you failed miserably there.

Your whole arguing Nav on Android isn't better because you don't have it on iOS is beyond idiotic. If you don't have it, then obviously that makes the other better by default because that's a feature it's missing. As for voice controls, there are people who actually do use it. I use it anytime I call a business. It's much faster to say "Call Best Buy" than to look it up and then call them. It's much easier to say "Call Costco" than to look up the number for Costco and then call them. It's much easier to say "Navigate to Cobb Galleria" than to look up the address to the Cobb Galleria and then launch the nav app. But I don't expect you to understand that, because you're unreasonably biased.

Also, what does him having an iPhone have to do with anything I said? I very clearly said that in my opinion iphone's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness. It's biggest strength is it's simple and there's really nothing for you to do to it. It's biggest weakness is that it's simple and there's not really anything you can change on it. When you get an iOS device, you're stuck with it the way it is for better or for worse. I do not like the hand holding approach Apple takes. That works great for some people, but I do not need to be babysat and am perfectly capable of managing my own device.

PS
This time if you respond, try to respond with an intelligent post with some semblance of objectivity.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 12:56 PM
Your are so biased it is ridiculous. I almost chose not to respond to you, but your post was so moronic that I couldn't help but to address it. Not better in any way? You've got to be kidding, there are plenty of ways it is better. Better nav (whether you want to admit it or not), better voice control, better customization, better cloud capabilities, better versatility...just to name a few things.

As for your poor analogy...actually a late model BMW is going to be much more complicated than an old Chevy. Old Chevy's don't have on-board nav, don't have heated seats, don't have heated mirrors, don't have seats with multiple user memory that you can program, etc. So yes the BMW WOULD be more complicated. Try again...you failed miserably there.

Your whole arguing Nav on Android isn't better because you don't have it on iOS is beyond idiotic. If you don't have it, then obviously that makes the other better by default because that's a feature it's missing. As for voice controls, there are people who actually do use it. I use it anytime I call a business. It's much faster to say "Call Best Buy" than to look it up and then call them. It's much easier to say "Call Costco" than to look up the number for Costco and then call them. It's much easier to say "Navigate to Cobb Galleria" than to look up the address to the Cobb Galleria and then launch the nav app. But I don't expect you to understand that, because you're unreasonably biased.

Also, what does him having an iPhone have to do with anything I said? I very clearly said that in my opinion iphone's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness. It's biggest strength is it's simple and there's really nothing for you to do to it. It's biggest weakness is that it's simple and there's not really anything you can change on it. When you get an iOS device, you're stuck with it the way it is for better or for worse. I do not like the hand holding approach Apple takes. That works great for some people, but I do not need to be babysat and am perfectly capable of managing my own device.

PS
This time if you respond, try to respond with an intelligent post with some semblance of objectivity.

Ill try to be a little more intelligent this time.

Fallacies were highlighted in Red.

I have already debated most of those in other threads so you can look it up using search.

As for the BMW analogy, you missed the point. It was about things like ABS and traction control and power steering. It does a lot for you. Does that mean its for beginners?

Simplicity is the height of perfection.
















































Simplicity is the height of perfection.

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 12:59 PM
Not when you consider there is Navigon, Tom Tom, and Motion X amongst various free offerings that are all excellent and plenty integrated all rolled up into the superior iOS touch response. How complicated does navigation need to be? If you get there you get there. Its a very arbitrary thing to point out as an advantage.

You have to ask yourself what is on his hidden agenda?

In what sense do any of those integrate with the os? They don't integrate at all, everyone knows that iOS is an app launcher.

It integrates on Android because you can use the voice input to navigate, you can navigate directly from the contacts app and web pages, or the maps app. NONE of that integration is available on iOS.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 01:10 PM
In what sense do any of those integrate with the os? They don't integrate at all, everyone knows that iOS is an app launcher.

It integrates on Android because you can use the voice input to navigate, you can navigate directly from the contacts app and web pages, or the maps app. NONE of that integration is available on iOS.

Pros: It integrates voice commands in Nav in a fancy, semi-unnecessary way. (it doesn't help you travel anywhere better)

Cons: It is on Android devices with Android design and touch response.

sneaky butcher
Jan 20, 2012, 01:25 PM
Pros: It integrates voice commands in Nav in a fancy, semi-unnecessary way. (it doesn't help you travel anywhere better)

Cons: It is on Android devices with Android design and touch response.

hi bobby, apple will be bringing the same kind of thing to ios sometime in the future. Moves are already underway to copy what google have done.

on android google maps has a bunch of features not available on IOS. layers such as traffic, wiki, places, indoor maps, widgets, voice search & navigation. It makes google maps your one stop shop for searching & navigating.

Its superslick, intergrated & free. It has nice touches like when you reach the end of your journey navigation displays a google street view screenshot of your location. Its a very nice feature set and its forced apple to look into their own solution for iphone. Competition is good it forces the standards up.

Its really a case of how fast they can get their own version of what google have done. I hope for iphone users they dont make it exclusive on the next iphone like they did with siri.

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 01:26 PM
Pros: It integrates voice commands in Nav in a fancy, semi-unnecessary way. (it doesn't help you travel anywhere better)

Cons: It is on Android devices with Android design and touch response.

Are you intellectually challenged? Androids design might not be quite as simple as ios but it's still incredibly simple to use, sometimes even more so. And the touch response is like a tenth of a second slower on Android, barely noticeable.

Pros:

- you wanna navigate to a friends house, just go to the contacts app, select your friend and then tap on his address; more intuitive.

- you can use google navigation hands free without needing to download any extra software. It has fully implemented voice commands.

- it integrates directly with googles excellent mapping services, so say I want to find a petrol station, I just type/speak the word "petrol" and it automatically loads a map showing the local petrol stations on the map, with the closest one highlighted and showing details. I can tap on any of the icons on the map to see street view, ratings, reviews of the petrol station, etc. Also let's you call the business at the press of a button.

Android is light years ahead in terms of navigation.

SurferMan
Jan 20, 2012, 01:34 PM
Pros: It integrates voice commands in Nav in a fancy, semi-unnecessary way. (it doesn't help you travel anywhere better)

Cons: It is on Android devices with Android design and touch response.Dude I think you have koolaid poisoning. We own both, and the i777 GS2 is actually my first Android as I didn't care for them before and it fixed everything I didn't care for before. It's every bit as smooth, fast and fluid as the 4S including touch response, and even people on here whom have/owned both have said the same thing regardless of your thoughts on it, and it get's even better with a custom Rom like UnNamed. GF's new bold crapped out the other day, and her work only uses BB or iPhones right now, she got stuck with the Bold before as it was all they had left, but they gave her a 4S now. She could have used my 4 but hell, they paid for it and the data so the 4S was a free phone lol, it was that or a Torch and she hates BB.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 01:44 PM
hi bobby, apple will be bringing the same kind of thing to ios sometime in the future. Moves are already underway to copy what google have done.

on android google maps has a bunch of features not available on IOS. layers such as traffic, wiki, places, indoor maps, widgets, voice search & navigation. It makes google maps your one stop shop for searching & navigating.

Its superslick, intergrated & free. It has nice touches like when you reach the end of your journey navigation displays a google street view screenshot of your location. Its a very nice feature set and its forced apple to look into their own solution for iphone. Competition is good it forces the standards up.

Agreed and aware it is better. Mostly determining to what degree it is better and comparing that element to the suspicious things Woz said while keeping in mind his motivation.

Are you intellectually challenged? Androids design might not be quite as simple as ios but it's still incredibly simple to use, sometimes even more so. And the touch response is like a tenth of a second slower on Android, barely noticeable.

Pros:

- you wanna navigate to a friends house, just go to the contacts app, select your friend and then tap on his address; more intuitive.

- you can use google navigation hands free without needing to download any extra software. It has fully implemented voice commands.

- it integrates directly with googles excellent mapping services, so say I want to find a petrol station, I just type/speak the word "petrol" and it automatically loads a map showing the local petrol stations on the map, with the closest one highlighted and showing details. I can tap on any of the icons on the map to see street view, ratings, reviews of the petrol station, etc. Also let's you call the business at the press of a button.

Android is light years ahead in terms of navigation.

Im sorry bro but my current Navigation situation is not in dire need.

Is it really THAT much more useful?

Ill put it this way, in motion X I can navigate my iOS contacts. You're gonna be hard pressed to significantly improve on this method.

What is the difference if I open my contacts app and go navigate, vs opening my navigation app, and opening a contact?

In Motion X I have:

NATIVE CONTACTS LIST
MY HOME
RECENTLY FOUND
FREQUENT DESTINATIONS
FAVORITES
SAVED DESTINATIONS
SAVED PARKING SPOTS

Between having access directly to contacts integrated in the app and all those other 6 ways of organizing, I am pretty much set.

Lets be real, voice commands take a moment to listen, confirm, and execute.

Is it really significantly faster than tapping your app, tapping contacts, and choosing an address?

Most of the time everything I need is found in recent destination anyway.

I have traffic too.

I still have access to everything that Google Maps offers as well. And a quick one tap gas finder app. Functionally I can do everything. Speed-wise its just as fast. Its just not as integrated with voice commands yet.

The question is is Google Nav significantly better enough for it to merit this traitorous PR attack by Woz?

No it isn't.

Traitor.

sneaky butcher
Jan 20, 2012, 01:51 PM
bobby sounds like your using 3 diffirent apps whereas google maps on android does it all.

motion x costs money and doesn't come preinstalled free with iphone.

come on. Apple are behind in this area but they know it and are working on catching up. When can they deliver is the big question. Android has had this for 2 years!

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
Agreed and aware it is better. Mostly determining to what degree it is better and comparing that element to the suspicious things Woz said while keeping in mind his motivation.



Im sorry bro but my current Navigation situation is not in dire need.

Is it really THAT much more useful?

Ill put it this way, in motion X I can navigate my iOS contacts. You're gonna be hard pressed to significantly improve on this method.

What is the difference if I open my contacts app and go navigate, vs opening my navigation app, and opening a contact?

In Motion X I have:

NATIVE CONTACTS LIST
MY HOME
RECENTLY FOUND
FREQUENT DESTINATIONS
FAVORITES
SAVED DESTINATIONS
SAVED PARKING SPOTS

Between having access directly to contacts integrated in the app and all those other 6 ways of organizing, I am pretty much set.

Lets be real, voice commands take a moment to listen, confirm, and execute.

Is it really significantly faster than tapping your app, tapping contacts, and choosing an address?

Most of the time everything I need is found in recent destination anyway.

I have traffic too.

I still have access to everything that Google Maps offers as well. And a quick one tap gas finder app. Functionally I can do everything. Speed-wise its just as fast. Its just not as integrated with voice commands yet.

The question is is Google Nav significantly better enough for it to merit this traitorous PR attack by Woz?

No it isn't.

Traitor.

It's more useful in the contacts because contacts are linked into the os on android. For example, let's say I receive a message from a friend asking me to come round, I can simply press and hold the text message, tap on "open contact" and then tap their address. Simples.

Or let's say I go into contacts and call a friend, and they ask me to go round. When I hang up Im returned to the contact info for my friend and can simply tap the address. Again, simples.

Voice input isn't only useful because it's faster than typing out an address, it's also useful because you can use it safely whilst driving. Driving and typing is dangerous (and illegal in this country).

I stand by what I said - navigation is tons better on android. It's all integrated deeply into the os and installed by default. With ios you have to launch them like any other app, there's no os integration.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 02:48 PM
bobby sounds like your using 3 diffirent apps whereas google maps on android does it all.

motion x costs money and doesn't come preinstalled free with iphone.

come on. Apple are behind in this area but they know it and are working on catching up. When can they deliver is the big question. Android has had this for 2 years!

Yes I am. But do I always need to do all things at the same time in the same app? Generally what I need to do will only involve one or the other.

It's more useful in the contacts because contacts are linked into the os on android. For example, let's say I receive a message from a friend asking me to come round, I can simply press and hold the text message, tap on "open contact" and then tap their address. Simples.

Or let's say I go into contacts and call a friend, and they ask me to go round. When I hang up Im returned to the contact info for my friend and can simply tap the address. Again, simples.

Voice input isn't only useful because it's faster than typing out an address, it's also useful because you can use it safely whilst driving. Driving and typing is dangerous (and illegal in this country).

I stand by what I said - navigation is tons better on android. It's all integrated deeply into the os and installed by default. With ios you have to launch them like any other app, there's no os integration.

If I receive a message for a friend to come around and I want to get there, I can do the same thing, except it will open google maps instead of my nav.

Heres a big thing: do you always need turn by turn nav? Sometimes its enough just to see the map and your blip on the radar. Usually full on turn by turn nav is only necessary on long unknown trips in unfamiliar areas. For the most part, Google Maps will help in a pinch. Especially considering you can tap the bottom left corner twice and it will even show you the direction you are facing in real time. Its pretty much top down view navigation without voice.

If I am just trying to find something down the block I don't need the whole shebang.

Usually someone will text you the address and you can just simply copy/paste into any Navigation program and you're done, set your phone down and drive.

Again, I am not saying its not better and more integrated, just saying its not that much better. I am not really left wanting of my current abilities. The flow is more fancy but not necessarily that much more functional or faster.

Definitely not worth making a spectacle about.

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 03:10 PM
Yes I am. But do I always need to do all things at the same time in the same app? Generally what I need to do will only involve one or the other.



If I receive a message for a friend to come around and I want to get there, I can do the same thing, except it will open google maps instead of my nav.

Heres a big thing: do you always need turn by turn nav? Sometimes its enough just to see the map and your blip on the radar. Usually full on turn by turn nav is only necessary on long unknown trips in unfamiliar areas. For the most part, Google Maps will help in a pinch. Especially considering you can tap the bottom left corner twice and it will even show you the direction you are facing in real time. Its pretty much top down view navigation without voice.

If I am just trying to find something down the block I don't need the whole shebang.

Usually someone will text you the address and you can just simply copy/paste into any Navigation program and you're done, set your phone down and drive.

Again, I am not saying its not better and more integrated, just saying its not that much better. I am not really left wanting of my current abilities. The flow is more fancy but not necessarily that much more functional or faster.

Definitely not worth making a spectacle about.

For crying out loud, you are extremely biased towards ios. You're comparing navigation with turn by turn directions to bog standard google maps? If the only thing iOS supported was a list of directions with no actual map you still wouldn't accept that androids navigation is better.

Do you always need turn by turn nav? No, but it's there if you want it on android.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 03:21 PM
For crying out loud, you are extremely biased towards ios. You're comparing navigation with turn by turn directions to bog standard google maps? If the only thing iOS supported was a list of directions with no actual map you still wouldn't accept that androids navigation is better.

Do you always need turn by turn nav? No, but it's there if you want it on android.

Wow no matter what I say...


http://i.imgur.com/uEQxL.gif



I am biased towards iOS because I saw the product and recognized its design genius. Not because I fell for marketing or hype. Why do people always assume we like Apple for dumb reasons?

walie
Jan 20, 2012, 03:26 PM
Yes I am. But do I always need to do all things at the same time in the same app?


Simplicity is the height of perfection.

:rolleyes:

mysterioustko
Jan 20, 2012, 03:27 PM
Ill try to be a little more intelligent this time.

Fallacies were highlighted in Red.

I have already debated most of those in other threads so you can look it up using search.

As for the BMW analogy, you missed the point. It was about things like ABS and traction control and power steering. It does a lot for you. Does that mean its for beginners?

Simplicity is the height of perfection.
So basically you have no response....which you wouldn't have because your "points" are horribly flawed. As for your BMW analogy, you once again come up short. You do a very poor job of correlating cars to phones. ABS and traction control are nothing like having a locked down OS that allows no changes to be made. Do better...



Lets be real, voice commands take a moment to listen, confirm, and execute.

Is it really significantly faster than tapping your app, tapping contacts, and choosing an address?

Most of the time everything I need is found in recent destination anyway.

I have traffic too.

I still have access to everything that Google Maps offers as well. And a quick one tap gas finder app. Functionally I can do everything. Speed-wise its just as fast. Its just not as integrated with voice commands yet.

The question is is Google Nav significantly better enough for it to merit this traitorous PR attack by Woz?

No it isn't.

Traitor.
I see you obviously chose to just ignore my previously mentioned examples of how voice control is much faster than doing the same task manually. I guess you ignored it since it didn't suit your agenda. Well just for you I'll copy and paste it here for you.....I use it anytime I call a business. It's much faster to say "Call Best Buy" than to look it up and then call them. It's much easier to say "Call Costco" than to look up the number for Costco and then call them. It's much easier to say "Navigate to Cobb Galleria" than to look up the address to the Cobb Galleria and then launch the nav app. But I don't expect you to understand that, because you're unreasonably biased. BTW, it doesn't take long at all for it to listen and process (perhaps a second)....oh and it doesn't have to confirm..it gets it right..and if there is more than one possible result it will ask you which one on the screen (which takes about 1 more second).


If I receive a message for a friend to come around and I want to get there, I can do the same thing, except it will open google maps instead of my nav.

Heres a big thing: do you always need turn by turn nav? Sometimes its enough just to see the map and your blip on the radar. Usually full on turn by turn nav is only necessary on long unknown trips in unfamiliar areas. For the most part, Google Maps will help in a pinch. Especially considering you can tap the bottom left corner twice and it will even show you the direction you are facing in real time. Its pretty much top down view navigation without voice.

If I am just trying to find something down the block I don't need the whole shebang.

Usually someone will text you the address and you can just simply copy/paste into any Navigation program and you're done, set your phone down and drive.

Again, I am not saying its not better and more integrated, just saying its not that much better. I am not really left wanting of my current abilities. The flow is more fancy but not necessarily that much more functional or faster.

Definitely not worth making a spectacle about.
The part that I bolded is just sheer stupidity....enough said on that..

As for the rest, it's quite obvious you have no experience using the android nav. Your statements show your ignorance. The mere fact that you just compared copying and pasting an address to just being able to tap it and go shows your ignorance. Copying and pasting an address many times will require you to do multiple copy and pastes for the city, street, and zip (if you didn't memorize it). It is nowhere near as seamless and easy...or INTUITIVE as just being able to tap the address and be done with it. It really is pathetic that you're so much of a fanboy that you refuse to see that. It really is a a tragedy. I'm sorry you felt so dejected because of the comments Woz made. Who knew that someone complimenting a mobile OS would leave a grown man so crestfallen and despondent. You need a hug?

Rampant.A.I.
Jan 20, 2012, 04:10 PM
One thing lots of people like about Woz is that he is generally more likeable, more respectable and more honest than the vast majority of silicon valley tycoons.

If Woz says he likes feature <Y> over feature <Q>, then that is probably the truth and he probably has legitimate reasons for saying so.

Tacky? No. Tacky is putting fanboy loyalty above honesty and pretending like Apple's device is the best at everything when it is clearly and demonstrably worse at certain functions.

Have to agree with the above. My girlfriend LOVES her Samsung Infuse, and would never trade it for an iPhone. I feel the same way about my iPhone. In fact, I used Android phones for years before getting my iPhone 4s.

But, after realizing I used my iPod Touch for everything you'd normally use your phone for over Wi-Fi, I bit the bullet and bought a 32GB 4s. Love it, would never go back. Why? because it works for me, and I like it.

Features like GPS navigation don't matter to me, because I have an in-car GPS, and I'd rather use my monthly data allotment on other fun stuff.

Woz should use whatever phone he prefers. The iPhone just isn't for everybody, no matter how much some of us like it.

...Now, if he were caught using a Windows phone, on the other hand... ;)

Just kidding. But it would reflect pretty badly on Apple. I can see the Microsoft ads now.

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 04:18 PM
Wow no matter what I say...


Image (http://i.imgur.com/uEQxL.gif)



I am biased towards iOS because I saw the product and recognized its design genius. Not because I fell for marketing or hype. Why do people always assume we like Apple for dumb reasons?

Because no matter what you have an excuse to downplay or even negate apples failures. "it doesn't have turn by turn but who needs turn by turn?" that's a classic post excusing apple rather than demanding a better experience.

nj1266
Jan 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
In what sense do any of those integrate with the os? They don't integrate at all, everyone knows that iOS is an app launcher.

It integrates on Android because you can use the voice input to navigate, you can navigate directly from the contacts app and web pages, or the maps app. NONE of that integration is available on iOS.

I use motionX and it integrates with my address book. I can look up addresses from the app and navigate to them. I can call the address from the app as well. The only thing I cannot do is voice navigate from the app. I pay 0.99 cents for the app and 9.99 for a year of voice turn-by-turn directions. It does the job extremely well.

It is not as good a google nav but it is good enough.

matttye
Jan 20, 2012, 04:36 PM
I use motionX and it integrates with my address book. I can look up addresses from the app and navigate to them. I can call the address from the app as well. The only thing I cannot do is voice navigate from the app. I pay 0.99 cents for the app and 9.99 for a year of voice turn-by-turn directions. It does the job extremely well.

That's great but that integration is somewhat limited.

Everything in Android is interconnected.

In an SMS or an email you can simply tap on the contacts picture to open their contact info and then click the address. It helps you to flow better, as you don't have to back out of the app you're in and then launch your navigation app. It's more intuitive when apps can integrate properly with the OS.

chakraj
Jan 20, 2012, 04:48 PM
Ya, How dare Woz tell the truth and wake up some of the apple fanboys. He has no right to his own oppinion, and to speak his own opinion. They should be able to jail or even execute someone for giving their opinion. Hmm, maybe we will get lucky and they will pass a law that will allow the Gov to jail and execute people for dis agreeing... We can only hope.

Bobby Corwen
Jan 20, 2012, 06:03 PM
Have to agree with the above. My girlfriend LOVES her Samsung Infuse, and would never trade it for an iPhone. I feel the same way about my iPhone. In fact, I used Android phones for years before getting my iPhone 4s.

But, after realizing I used my iPod Touch for everything you'd normally use your phone for over Wi-Fi, I bit the bullet and bought a 32GB 4s. Love it, would never go back. Why? because it works for me, and I like it.

Features like GPS navigation don't matter to me, because I have an in-car GPS, and I'd rather use my monthly data allotment on other fun stuff.

Woz should use whatever phone he prefers. The iPhone just isn't for everybody, no matter how much some of us like it.

...Now, if he were caught using a Windows phone, on the other hand... ;)

Just kidding. But it would reflect pretty badly on Apple. I can see the Microsoft ads now.

See its practically the same thing because Android IS the current day Microsoft in the mobile arena. Even you can see how it is tacky.

Its not really his business to go around telling "the truth" when it carries so much weight. Let other independent critics "tell the truth" and he can just keep his opinions private if only for the sake of professionalism and respect.

Ya, How dare Woz tell the truth and wake up some of the apple fanboys. He has no right to his own oppinion, and to speak his own oppinion. They should be able to jail or even execute someone for giving their oppinion. Hmm, maybe we will get lucky and they will pass a law that will allow the Gov to jail and execute people for dis agreeing... We can only hope.

That is the whole point! He knows fully well the implications of him making the comments.

Upside of being Woz: You are a millionaire and are legendary.
Downside of being Woz: You can't go around giving opinions without them having greater implications.

OH wow. Oh nooo.... I feel so bad for the guy. Im sure he's suffering.

The point of the story is that he knows they are not mere opinions. If its him giving them, it holds too much weight and it is more than a mere opinion but rather a symbol of disloyalty.

If its me or you saying it, its mere opinion, but if its him saying it, its too much ammo for the competition to the point where its not worth the damage to the brand just so one man can "give his opinion." Obviously its just attention whoring at that point.

It was inappropriate.

Titanium81
Jan 20, 2012, 09:32 PM
Well one thing we can all agree on is that Woz is a total traitor to the Apple brand.

The Woz Kicks A$$! :)

mysterioustko
Jan 21, 2012, 12:22 AM
Its not really his business to go around telling "the truth" when it carries so much weight. Let other independent critics "tell the truth" and he can just keep his opinions private if only for the sake of professionalism and respect.

That is the whole point! He knows fully well the implications of him making the comments.

Upside of being Woz: You are a millionaire and are legendary.
Downside of being Woz: You can't go around giving opinions without them having greater implications.

OH wow. Oh nooo.... I feel so bad for the guy. Im sure he's suffering.

The point of the story is that he knows they are not mere opinions. If its him giving them, it holds too much weight and it is more than a mere opinion but rather a symbol of disloyalty.

If its me or you saying it, its mere opinion, but if its him saying it, its too much ammo for the competition to the point where its not worth the damage to the brand just so one man can "give his opinion." Obviously its just attention whoring at that point.

It was inappropriate.

It was inappropriate? You think that since his opinion holds weight in the tech world he should never say anything unflattering about Apple, because people might notice start noticing its weaknesses more? You've got to be kidding me. So because his opinion holds weight, he should "keep his opinions private". I can't even begin it tell you how stupid and moronic that is. You are so worried about giving "too much ammo for the competition" that you don't want anything unflattering said publicly about the iPhone. Like it or not, he said it, and what he said is true. You can't expect for people to turn a blind eye to the iphone's weaknesses just so YOU can feel more secure in your purchase. You want him to "shhhh be quiet, don't tell anyone about how another platform is better...they might listen to you".

If there's anyone you should be upset with it's Apple. Ask Apple to stop putting out devices that are lacking in so many areas then you won't have to worry about someone publicly making mention of its deficiencies.....though I fail to see why you should be effected in any way by what he said. I guess some of us take phones way too personally. Might I suggest getting a girlfriend...or a puppy?



Lets be real, voice commands take a moment to listen, confirm, and execute.

Is it really significantly faster than tapping your app, tapping contacts, and choosing an address?


By the way, I've taken the liberty of shooting a quick video to demonstrate voice controls to you since it's obvious you have no experience with them. As you can see, it takes almost no time at all to "listen, confirm, and execute"....so I guess you were wrong on that one too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JEd_6IKtWw&feature=youtu.be

matttye
Jan 21, 2012, 12:32 PM
See its practically the same thing because Android IS the current day Microsoft in the mobile arena. Even you can see how it is tacky.

Its not really his business to go around telling "the truth" when it carries so much weight. Let other independent critics "tell the truth" and he can just keep his opinions private if only for the sake of professionalism and respect.



That is the whole point! He knows fully well the implications of him making the comments.

Upside of being Woz: You are a millionaire and are legendary.
Downside of being Woz: You can't go around giving opinions without them having greater implications.

OH wow. Oh nooo.... I feel so bad for the guy. Im sure he's suffering.

The point of the story is that he knows they are not mere opinions. If its him giving them, it holds too much weight and it is more than a mere opinion but rather a symbol of disloyalty.

If its me or you saying it, its mere opinion, but if its him saying it, its too much ammo for the competition to the point where its not worth the damage to the brand just so one man can "give his opinion." Obviously its just attention whoring at that point.

It was inappropriate.

He didn't say the iPhone is bad, just that he wished it could do what his Android phone does. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. Why shouldnt he state his opinion?!

onthecouchagain
Jan 21, 2012, 01:12 PM
As an Apple fan, even I'm ashamed of the bias of Bobby Corwen. You other fellas are wasting your time.

Rampant.A.I.
Jan 21, 2012, 01:26 PM
See its practically the same thing because Android IS the current day Microsoft in the mobile arena. Even you can see how it is tacky.

Its not really his business to go around telling "the truth" when it carries so much weight. Let other independent critics "tell the truth" and he can just keep his opinions private if only for the sake of professionalism and respect.

Yes, even me, being a Mac user who was lucky enough to have my first Powerbook at 15, and have owned nothing but Apple portables since then.

You could say I'm kind of a fan.

However, Apple has always had shortcomings and made "compromises" to pad their profit margin. I have and will continue to buy their products and defend my choices to naysayers (No, it's not a Fischer Price laptop, yes, I can do the same things as you if not more, and yes, it does look prettier doing it), but I'm not a fanboy.

It's kind of refreshing to see that Woz isn't either. It may not be the best possible business decision for him to be outspoken about the shortcomings of his own company's product, but I understand it. Programmers and engineers are a different breed, and jokes like "it's not a bug, it's a feature" aside, anyone who isn't willing to criticize the shortcomings of a piece of hardware or software and figure out how to fix it doesn't belong in the industry. Especially if they're testing their own design.

The only thing Woz has done wrong here, IMO, is not calling Steve Jobs on his Android phone and asking why the hell the navigation seems to work better than their own product. And, IMHO:

That is the whole point! He knows fully well the implications of him making the comments

...He's probably done exactly that, and Jobs probably didn't listen. So, he made a public statement.

Upside of being Woz: You are a millionaire and are legendary.
Downside of being Woz: You can't go around giving opinions without them having greater implications.

OH wow. Oh nooo.... I feel so bad for the guy. Im sure he's suffering.

The point of the story is that he knows they are not mere opinions. If its him giving them, it holds too much weight and it is more than a mere opinion but rather a symbol of disloyalty.

If its me or you saying it, its mere opinion, but if its him saying it, its too much ammo for the competition to the point where its not worth the damage to the brand just so one man can "give his opinion." Obviously its just attention whoring at that point.

It was inappropriate.

Let's be clear here: Company employees can show brand disloyalty and get fired. Woz founded Apple computer. But Apple now is not like it was in the 90's, and it's a far cry from when he was building them in the garage.

I remember dropping a 5300cs Powerbook on cement, from 4' in the air. Completely my fault, and there was no reason whatsoever for Apple to repair it.

But they did, in less than a week, completely free of charge. After that, I was completely hooked on the company. Used to be you could do just about anything to an Apple computer, and if you explained your problem to them they would go out of their way to fix it. That's brand loyalty.

Today, walk into an Apple store with a broken Mac, and they will do everything they can to get out of fixing it. People with broken iPods get turned away because they "voided the warranty" by accidentally dropping it, your Apple tech finds a tiny dent in your $3000 UMBP case and announces the warranty is void, things of that nature.

Apple has slacked off incredibly when it comes to building brand loyalty, because they can. Because the brand is now popular, hip, and desirable to the general public; so they no longer have to really compete with service like they did in the 90's. And in my experience, the Genius Bar would rather explain what you did wrong to break their product and why you're SOL, which is a very different experience than the "Sure, you screwed it up, but we're going to fix it for you so you'll buy another one in the future" attitude Apple used to have.

And if this seems off-topic, the same goes for obvious hardware/software shortcomings that should have been fixed to compete with other similar products, but aren't because it costs Apple money, and they don't have to.

Like I said, this is my opinion based on the last couple of decades as an end user. I would be shocked if Woz hasn't thought something along the same lines, and I applaud him for "acting out."

sneaky butcher
Jan 21, 2012, 01:47 PM
hey samsung did another ad this time about navigation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vOSgfvTC35A

matttye
Jan 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
hey samsung did another ad this time about navigation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vOSgfvTC35A

Bit cheesey but entirely accurate!

BeardedOrc
Jan 21, 2012, 02:57 PM
Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded (READ: UNBIASED) people to be able to say "Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android."

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

Unless you are WOZ himself, then you are just purely speculating on what's his ulterior motive when he made that statement.

Talking about maturity, being biased about phone OS and blindly following a company is irrational. Disregarding advantages of other platforms doesn't show much about your maturity.

Professing love with candor for a celebrity in a tech forum, that, I've always found tacky.

Savor
Jan 21, 2012, 07:36 PM
tacky

tacky

tacky

tacky

He would have never made a comment like this if Steve was alive.

Its so painfully obvious if you understand psychology that his immaturity drove him to say that because he secretly wants like-minded people to be able to say "yeah right even Steve Wozniac the guy who co-founded Apple prefers Android." He just wants some nerd-hero fame which is a reaction to how Steve was always so much more alpha than him while he was alive. Its like a subliminal snub due to insecurity.

Its quite dishonorable and a cheap shot. I see it as almost trying to dishonor Steve after his death and trying to downplay his legacy. --Especially since its still too soon after his death.

And on top of that none of those elements matter. He tried to paint it as a portrait where the details are superior on Android and to try to make it feel like Android is not the one with horrendous trash-ware in general. The point of iPhone is the touch response, the feedback, the details, the performance, the smoothness. Nobody does anything but text and browse the web anyways. And no, not even the Samsung Galaxy S2 is as smooth or in the same ball park with touch response. Bobby, you really are the poster boy on why I dislike many Apple fanboys.

All you are doing is assuming on what his ulterior motives are when all he is doing is stating the obvious from HIS experience of owning these phones. And assumptions is the mother of all F-ups. Maybe you are the one who needs to open your eyes and mind and not have your opinions come from BLIND allegiances.

Steve Wozniak even predicted BEFORE Jobs' death that Android beat iOS in the smartphone war similar to Windows beating the Mac.

Article was written in Nov 2010 -
http://www.dailytech.com/Steve+Wozniak+Says+Android+Will+Beat+Apples+iPhone/article20190.htm

The Woz bought a Droid and Nexus One even earlier than that.

People forget Wozniak was NEVER close with Steve Jobs. And Woz is good friend with Andy Rubin, the co-founder of Danger and Android.

And remember this - Steve Jobs would have never made his first millions if it wasn't for Wozniak's Apple II. The Apple II was masterminded by The Woz inside and out. He was the true engineering talent while SJ was the better salesman for it. Let's not shortchange The Woz here just because most current Apple fans from the iGeneration know Jobs more and found him more charismatic. The Woz seemed to always act like the better human being and compassionate between the two Steves. You don't try to bite the hand that feeds you. And trying to diss the Woz when he was the real brainchild to Apple's early success would just sound ungrateful.

BearerOBadNews
Jan 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
By the way, I've taken the liberty of shooting a quick video to demonstrate voice controls to you since it's obvious you have no experience with them. As you can see, it takes almost no time at all to "listen, confirm, and execute"....so I guess you were wrong on that one too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JEd_6IKtWw&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for the video. I never realized how much easier using voice was than doing things manually. It even works well on my 4S sans navigation. Not quite as seamless but works well anyway.

Savor
Jan 21, 2012, 09:55 PM
Woz was already a multi-millionaire before he turned 30. He was set for life since then. What is his ulterior motive against SJ when he hasn't been employed with Apple since the 80's? Woz left on his own terms. But the Apple II was a bigger sales success story than Jobs' first Macintosh which was a commercial flop that ousted SJ out of Apple that first time.

The only thing Woz ever said about SJ that seemed negative was he wasn't really close with him which is true. That is SJ's personality to be that way. They had a falling out eventually. People want to give ALL THE CREDIT to STEVE JOBS when he has many talented people around to do all the dirty work while he inspires and motivates. SJ didn't even know how to write code. Even Jony Ives was frustrated at time when it seemed SJ got all the credit from Jony's ideas. But that is life. If you are the leader, you get all the credit and all the hate that comes with it as well. Like for instance, iOS was NOT from SJ's own creative vision. That was Scott Forstall. The brainchild of the actual first iPod wasn't from SJ. That was led from Jon Rubinstein's engineering team. SJ was just the marketer and motivator.