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hob
Jun 7, 2005, 02:37 PM
...And I seem to be the only one.

So I thought I'd post here.

This entire board seems to be clogged with newbies screaming about how rubbish Apple are for switching to intel, how Dell systems will be able to run OS X... etc. etc. ad nausium.

So unless I've missed the thread where sensible people are (which frequently happens) I'm going to set up camp here. Anyone with me?!

liketom
Jun 7, 2005, 02:42 PM
...And I seem to be the only one.

So I thought I'd post here.

This entire board seems to be clogged with newbies screaming about how rubbish Apple are for switching to intel, how Dell systems will be able to run OS X... etc. etc. ad nausium.

So unless I've missed the thread where sensible people are (which frequently happens) I'm going to set up camp here. Anyone with me?!
after watching the webcast i'm with you 24 hours and my panic is over and i'm back on track supporting Apple ...and Jobsy too lol

intel will be ok until the next big transition

MattG
Jun 7, 2005, 02:49 PM
Totally agree...people are freaking out over nothing. The new stuff will kick ass, and the old stuff will still work the way it should. Apple's not going to leave anyone stranded.

mkrishnan
Jun 7, 2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, most of my concerns have been placated by the webcast and discussions here too. The Intel hardware, to me, will be just like any other next iteration of Mac hardware. If it works -- reliable, lightweight (in the notebook case), good features, and stylish -- I'm in.

And using fat binaries is ... as the Adobe CEO said at the keynote...something that falls into the "why didn't you do this five years ago?" category. In other words, r0XX3rz. :D

zelmo
Jun 7, 2005, 03:07 PM
I got over most of my FUD over the weekend. By the time of the Keynote I was almost surreally serene. I am satisifed that everything will work out fine. Yes, there will be a few bumps in the road, but I lived through the 680x0>PPC and OS 9>OS X "transitions", and I'll survive this one as well.

I think this can be reallly, really good for Apple.

Two things:

I think prices of the current PPC products will come down as some of the more timid folk stop buying out of fear. A good thing for us, and necessary for Apple to maintain vital market share during the transition, or they risk losing developers for the platform in the interim.

I don't think we'll see an additional sudden drop in price when the InteliMacs are released. Apple has always been about premium price for a premium computing experience. Why do people think that adding accelerated hardware speeds to that mix is going to make the price drop?

mcarnes
Jun 7, 2005, 03:13 PM
I'm looking forward to it. PB speeds will more than double in one year. Woohoo! Apple will be better for it. They are looking out for US, but everyone seems to have missed that.

One suggestion to complainers: Watch the keynote! Steve will put your fears to rest.

Xtremehkr
Jun 7, 2005, 03:18 PM
I think it is great that Apple is going with the technology that is best, whatever technology it may be at the time.

There is no reason to think that Apple could not go back to PPC at some point in the future, if it proves itself as a technology. But for now, this seems to be the best direction to be going in.

As long as the user experience remains the same or improves, I'll be happy.

PixelFactory
Jun 7, 2005, 03:30 PM
The only people getting the short end of the stick are the developers using CodeWarrior. But Apple has been telling developers to use XCode for the last five years, hard to feel sorry for them. As far a the end product, Apple will have a better variety of chipsets to use (Pentium, Pentium-M, Celeron). Plus, with the current liquid cooling they may be able to push the intel processors harder. Now it is no longer who's processor is faster but who OS is better.

Applespider
Jun 7, 2005, 03:38 PM
Is being sensible a minimum requirement? :p

If so, I guess I better depart since I've had a few beers and I'm probably not too sensible at the moment. :D

NB Note the lack of the I**** word...

pepeleuepe
Jun 7, 2005, 03:56 PM
I'm excited to see what these systems can do. I don't expect anything amazing to start with, but Apple will have many many more choices processor wise and it will be interesting to see what they do with them. All in all, I'm excited that Apple will finally have a microprocessor company that innovates and pushes forward for their consumer products.

IBM makes great processors, but they seemed focused on the large-scale business/server market and not the consumer/prosumer market Apple sells to (minus the xServe I guess). I'm sure IBM made more money off of their server market than selling chips to Apple, so I don't think anyones to blame.

The next two years will bring about some exciting change for Apple.

Guitarius
Jun 7, 2005, 04:15 PM
I care about it.

I'm incredibly excited to see what the new stuff can do. I doubt they would have made such a major switch if the new stuff was worse. I can't wait to get whatever computer they put out next. A new laptop will make me very happy, even though mine is barely a year old. I dunno, guess I'm just a Mac Addict. Hell, put me down for two! :D

wdlove
Jun 7, 2005, 04:40 PM
I'm with you, don't see any reason to panic. We have a Mac now and will have a Mac in the future. Steve would be failing as a CEO if he didn't make sure that the Mac included the best and most up to date hardware and software.

smokeyrabbit
Jun 7, 2005, 04:59 PM
What kills me is how many people are saying "OMG the 2.0 GHz G5 is faster than the P4!! Why is Apple betraying me???" I mean, puh-lease, Do they honestly think Mr. Jobs (and the BOD, and you know, the rest of the company) is going to design a pro-line that has worse performance than a 2-year old system? Are you all thirteen? Oh, wait, probably.......




sorry. ;)

Anyway, after the switch from 680x0 to the first PPC, we all looked back and thought, man my Mac II was so sucky compared to the new machines! Then again, for each processor change, yep, the same thing. In another 2 year's time, the G5 (then a 4-year old chip) will run like your grandma through tar compared to whatever CPU Intel will be producing then.

Intel's NET profit for 2004 was $7.5 billion. They make PC CPU's. Maybe they won't shift their focus away from personal computers like IBM and Motorola did.

hob
Jun 7, 2005, 05:37 PM
Are you all thirteen? Oh, wait, probably.......
I'll have you know I'm Nineteen and a quarter... ...next month :rolleyes: :D

Anyhoo, i'll never call anyone the i-word (unless I did at the top of this thread, I can't remember that far back), but it seems there are a LOT of un-intellectual people posting at the moment. Threads that go round in circles, re-posts (of which I have contributed - sorry :( ), and general freak-outterry, that doesn't really help...

I've done my bit - stopped posting random news stories without checking first... :D

Oh - and the thread title was a little harshly worded - of course I care that apple has switched to intel - but it's not a problem...

humara
Jun 7, 2005, 06:13 PM
I've come to embrace our lot in life.

http://www.lemonchicken.com/appleinside.pdf

look at the heatsink in my g5. its too big. faster and cheaper is good.

aloofman
Jun 7, 2005, 06:48 PM
When I started thinking about the new Intel chips that are coming, only one concern came to mind. I hope there won't be an "Intel Inside" logo anywhere on a Mac or Powerbook. I don't see how that wouldn't look ugly. Maybe on the box it comes in. I'll allow that.

mac-er
Jun 7, 2005, 07:09 PM
I think this is going to bring a lot more BTO options and help Apple compete with the average user much more.

MacFan25863
Jun 7, 2005, 07:20 PM
As long as 1) there are not Intel Inside stickers on the case and 2) they don't use stock Intel motherboards, I'm good. Oh, and I hope they keep the FSB speeds and the Dual Processors.


This is a great change for Apple, almost way overdue.

vouder17
Jun 7, 2005, 07:26 PM
As long as 1) there are not Intel Inside stickers on the case and 2) they don't use stock Intel motherboards, I'm good. Oh, and I hope they keep the FSB speeds and the Dual Processors.


This is a great change for Apple, almost way overdue.

This i think is almost 100% certain...since when has apple done anything the same way as everyone else...and stickers are so last year.

i am very happy...cant wait till MWSF/WWDC '06 to hear some updates about this whole happening..Exciting time ahead for apple and its followers..hehe

mcarnes
Jun 7, 2005, 07:30 PM
I hope there won't be an "Intel Inside" logo anywhere on a Mac or Powerbook

I don't think Apple would allow that. Look at current iBooks and PBs. There is no logo except the dominate Apple logo. Thats' an Apple trademark look. I don't see "IBM" written anywhere on my iBook, no reason to think that would change.

Macmaniac
Jun 7, 2005, 07:37 PM
People really do need to calm down, as long as the transition is smooth I am fine with it. If this means I am going to get more access to high end video cards and other components cheap I am happy. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

People need to keep in mind that Apple is going to do everything in their power to prevent Mac OS X from running on some BIY, trust Apple to get it done right. You won't see $500 Joe Dell running Tiger!

MacTruck
Jun 7, 2005, 07:55 PM
...And I seem to be the only one.

So I thought I'd post here.

This entire board seems to be clogged with newbies screaming about how rubbish Apple are for switching to intel, how Dell systems will be able to run OS X... etc. etc. ad nausium.

So unless I've missed the thread where sensible people are (which frequently happens) I'm going to set up camp here. Anyone with me?!


Sorry but this is one arrogant post. Please get over yourself.

That said. I am getting over my initial dislike of the switch. Hoping for faster cooler notebooks next year.

zuffen
Jun 7, 2005, 08:16 PM
Should I wait for the new Apple hardware? I was getting ready to upgrade from my G3 to a G5.

This new hardware, I wonder if this will be a special machine that runs the Mac OS or are they going to allow you to load the OS on a third party PC?

If so I'll build a winbox and hopefully be able to run the mac OS later.

Savage Henry
Jun 7, 2005, 08:21 PM
I'll have you know I'm Nineteen and a quarter... ...next month yoiks ... your 'tar suggests a difrrunt story ... why chose a pic that suggets mid-20's?
there are a LOT of un-intellectual people posting at the moment. Threads that go round in circles, re-posts (of which I have contributed - sorry :( ), and general freak-outterry, that doesn't really help...Sure, I can't argue there. I still rely on the ole' search forum tool to avoid my unengaging-newbie jazz. Newbies aint the useful souce they used to be.

hob
Jun 8, 2005, 04:08 PM
yoiks ... your 'tar suggests a difrrunt story ... why chose a pic that suggets mid-20's?
The Avatar's from one of my fave movies - trainspotting. Would you rather I just put my age in a funky font and turned it into an avatar? :p :D

hob
Jun 8, 2005, 04:16 PM
Should I wait for the new Apple hardware? I was getting ready to upgrade from my G3 to a G5.

This new hardware, I wonder if this will be a special machine that runs the Mac OS or are they going to allow you to load the OS on a third party PC?

If so I'll build a winbox and hopefully be able to run the mac OS later.
1. Upgrading's up to you. I've just upgraded to a G5, and I'm still happy despite the fact that the PPC is being fased out. I'd probably say upgrading's still a good idea, especially as you're still on a G3 - sure the intel's are going to be better but this is what you get when you buy a computer - it's ALWAYS going to go out of date.

2. Mac OS X will not work on anything but Apple-built Macintoshes, such as the mac mini, powerbook, ibook, powermac, imac etc. (unless they later chose to license the software out, which happened in the early-mid 90's... read more here (http://www.apple-history.com).)

Hope that helps :)

Apple
Jun 8, 2005, 04:17 PM
I for one am exited for this transition. I really want to see a machine that I think might run faster than the machines right now. The good thing for me is that in a couple of years my ibook should be obsolete, and I will be looking foward to recieving my first macintel.

Yebot
Jun 8, 2005, 04:18 PM
Transition III is a win for Apple, a win for Intel, a win for mobility, a win for cost-reduction and a win for the long-term future of those who like to compute in style.

I like how the naysayers complain that this transition will kill Apple. They'll also tell you that buying a Mac for the next 1-2 years is utterly pointless.

You know what will REALLY kill Apple? Not Intel - its people not buying Macs.

runninmac
Jun 8, 2005, 04:23 PM
Yeah after I saw the Keynote my fear was replaced with excitement becuase these new computers especaly (sp) the PB will be awsome! I think this was a great move for apple. The stock has gone back up today now that wallstreet has stoped spazing out to.

Edit: I am really getting frustrated at people that don't keep up with the news that think apple is going to be flood with viruses and Dells will be able to run them. If they were to actually read around this site or appleinsider people would be much clamer than they are right now.

solvs
Jun 8, 2005, 10:21 PM
Agreed. I was apprehensive at first, but after watching the keynote, I feel a little better. Obviously it's not about what's going on now, it's about the future. And unfortunetly it looks like IBM and Freescale don't have much planned for Apple's future chips. I've read that they looked at their options with AMD or the Cell procs, but there were problems with both. AMD has some issues with their production facilities like IBM, and the Cell isn't as good for complex computer processes as you'd think. Intel was their best choice, so I can't say I blame them. Obviously we'd rather have better G4/5s, but since that ain't gonna happen, I'm glad Apple has at least planned ahead to hedge their bets. So now they've been forced to pull out plan B (or C, as the case may be). The Pentium M will be great for laptops and the P5 should be acceptable for desktops.

This looks like it won't be too bad for developers, but I'm sure there will be hiccups. And I'm sure people will still buy Macs for the next year or 2, especially if they drop the prices and people still want to run their old software that may not work well with Rosetta. Then again, we're not really sure what the future holds for Apple. This could very easily be a good or bad thing.

And the one bad thing, though Apple will always be on par with PCs and should even be able to update more often, they will never again be faster than Wintels. :(

noel4r
Jun 8, 2005, 10:25 PM
I dont care about Intel either, I wished they went w/ AMD instead but I do care about Apple. It the future Intel-equipped Apples still feels like an Apple then I'm all over it... Dont care how it runs, as long as it runs like an Apple.

sw1tcher
Jun 8, 2005, 10:53 PM
For those who are worried about the transition, you don't have enough faith in Jobs. I seriously believe that he knows what he's doing and what's best for Apple. He's brought us this far hasn't he?

Just give it some time and let things settle a bit. Don't worry too much. Apple/Jobs will sort things out nicely.

Dr. Dastardly
Jun 8, 2005, 11:38 PM
I am seriously stoked about the new transisition. I think it will open the flood gates of all sorts of new possibilities for Apple. But one thing is still bothering me. I really don't care about the specs or anything right now seeing that its kinda pointless since next year or two years down the line its gonna be a far cry from a P4.

I'm just dying to know the new moniker on the chips and models. Are they gonna keep with the G series moniker and just call it the G6 or move to something like....


Something other than G. :confused: :p

solvs
Jun 10, 2005, 02:42 AM
I dont care about Intel either, I wished they went w/ AMD instead
They still might. Remember this is about laptops and future chips. If Intel drops the ball and AMD can deliver, not a problem.

edesignuk
Jun 10, 2005, 02:56 AM
All the freaking out by totally uninformed people has been driving me nuts, I'm not wasting my time with these people, so I've just been keeping pretty quiet about it. But yes, I agree completely. So another chip is under the hood, big deal, for the VAST amount of people it will make ABSOLUTELY no difference. At least now were can be more sure than ever that we WILL see a decent rate of development.

iMeowbot
Jun 10, 2005, 03:08 AM
When I started thinking about the new Intel chips that are coming, only one concern came to mind. I hope there won't be an "Intel Inside" logo anywhere on a Mac or Powerbook. I don't see how that wouldn't look ugly. Maybe on the box it comes in. I'll allow that.
Hey, this is Apple. If they do the co-branding thing, it won't be a generic sticker, Ive will incorporate the logo so that it looks like it belongs there.

Now that they're (hopefully) done with wind tunnels, there should be a lot of room do do something more fun with the high end desktop cases, maybe even something that's a reasonable size again!

caveman_uk
Jun 10, 2005, 03:39 AM
Please, can I come in too? I'm tired of people who simply haven't listened or read anything that's been said.

OK, My take:-

1) I don't care what processor it uses so long as it all still works.
2) I don't care if it's some stuff is emulated so long as it's reasonably fast.
3) I'd still buy a PPC Powermac as they're still very fast and great machines - maybe I'll get one cheaper?
4) I won't buy a powerbook as they're underpowered and not that much better than the ibooks. Just like before.

in more detail.

1) All the stuff you own still works and will continue to work.
2) Even if Apple sells a ton of Intel macs in the first year PPC macs will still outnumber them about 20:1
3) PPC macs will be supported for at least 4-5 years.
4) I know the emulator doesn't support Altivec code - this means hand-coded Altivec. If people used the Accelerate frameworks like Apple suggested then it still works as then it's in the OS and uses SSE on Intel macs.
5) OS 9 support is dead - Good
6) Cocoa is great and if you use that then as a developer you don't have many worries. Anything Apple writes, they port, so get using Core Data and the Cocoa bindings if you haven't discovered how cool they are already!
7) Yes, the PPC architecture was better designed - so was Betamax.
8) Get over it, it's happening and going around complaining about it ain't gonna change that. In the end the mac will still be a mac and act like a mac and you can be pretty sure Apple will do all they can to stop OS X running on a bloody Dell.

iJaz
Jun 10, 2005, 06:44 AM
I like this thread, every other thread out there are hysteric, same questions over and over again and different answers all the time, but that doesn't matter because no one listens anyway!

sushi
Jun 10, 2005, 07:30 AM
I'm tired of people who simply haven't listened or read anything that's been said.
Thank you! So much FUD out there right now. Most of it very ignorant.

OS 9 support is dead - Good
I'm sad about this since I use a couple of OS9 apps. But I will adjust.

After reading most of the drivel on the other boards, it's nice to see this one! :D

I got to thinking...I wonder if the Intel chip used in the Mactel will be called the G6?

That would be an easy way to differentiate the use of Intel processors while keeping the simple naming scheme that Apple started.

Just thinking out loud.

Sushi

caveman_uk
Jun 10, 2005, 07:59 AM
I got to thinking...I wonder if the Intel chip used in the Mactel will be called the G6?

Whilst there's no reason why not (the G's not tied to PPC) I guess Apple might want to break with the past.