View Full Version : Jackson Jury Reaches Verdict
mactastic
Jun 13, 2005, 02:54 PM
Link'd (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8204642/)
Results at 1:30pm Pacific Time.... Stay tuned.
Dont Hurt Me
Jun 13, 2005, 03:03 PM
Guilty but on which counts, serving alcohol to minors and molestation is my guess. Funny how he didnt like the girls,,,,,,,,,,,to much time in Kalifornia i guess.
Sun Baked
Jun 13, 2005, 03:04 PM
Bubbles the Chimp may soon have more freedom than Michael Jackson, should be an interesting hour. :p
Edit: he's still at home, what are the chances he is calling Al Cowlings to give him a ride in his white Bronco?
WinterMute
Jun 13, 2005, 03:09 PM
Link'd (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8204642/)
Results at 1:30pm Pacific Time.... Stay tuned.
He really should do time on one or other counts, but if OJ could get away with it then anything could happen in the next half-hour....
Incidentally, kudos to a man who quotes Subdivisions in his sig... :D
Lyle
Jun 13, 2005, 03:23 PM
Results at 1:30pm Pacific Time.... Stay tuned.For whatever reason, CNN is reporting (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/index.html) that the verdict will be read at 1:45 p.m., not 1:30 p.m. Not sure which one is correct...
puckhead193
Jun 13, 2005, 03:26 PM
this one can go either way, i don't think he's going to make it on time, but i think the judge will postpone the verdict
mischief
Jun 13, 2005, 03:28 PM
For whatever reason, CNN is reporting (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/index.html) that the verdict will be read at 1:45 p.m., not 1:30 p.m. Not sure which one is correct...
My guess is that CNN will want some delay for editing.
Sun Baked
Jun 13, 2005, 03:31 PM
My guess is that CNN will want some delay for editing.Left late...
Still 10 minutes away along with the 5 minutes to walk through security and settle down in the courtroom.
emw
Jun 13, 2005, 03:38 PM
He really should do time on one or other counts, but if OJ could get away with it then anything could happen in the next half-hour....
I haven't been paying nearly as much attention to this trial as I did to the OJ trial - but I just hope MJ isn't convicted simply because he's some wacked-out freak, but because he actually did something. From what I can tell, it's been a lot of circumstantial evidence from questionable sources.
Maybe I should have watched E!'s re-enactments...
faintember
Jun 13, 2005, 03:40 PM
Left late...
Michael had to change into his formal, courtroom pajamas.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 03:45 PM
The delay was the Jackson family getting Tito into makeup to serve Michael's sentence.
rainman::|:|
Jun 13, 2005, 03:46 PM
The delay was the Jackson family getting Tito into makeup to serve Michael's sentence.
lol lol
he's going to kill himself if found guilty... maybe even if acquitted... MJ is no more, no matter what happens here. out of money, out of friends, out of power.
faintember
Jun 13, 2005, 03:48 PM
The delay was the Jackson family getting Tito into makeup to serve Michael's sentence.
We can put a man on the moon, but we dont have the technology to make anyone look like Michael. Or enough makeup. :p
broken_keyboard
Jun 13, 2005, 03:48 PM
I just hope MJ isn't convicted simply because he's some wacked-out freak, but because he actually did something.
My sentiments exactly.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 03:51 PM
Even if Jacko isn't a molester he still isn't normal and should not be allowed to roam free.
emw
Jun 13, 2005, 03:55 PM
Even if Jacko isn't a molester he still isn't normal and should not be allowed to roam free.
Not being "normal" shouldn't be a criteria for incarceration. If he didn't do anything illegal, he should be free to go.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 03:57 PM
Lets just hope he doesn't pull an OJ.
emw
Jun 13, 2005, 03:59 PM
Lets just hope he doesn't pull an OJ.
Agreed. We don't need the guilty going free.
Or do you mean that if he's freed, he'll promise to spend his life tracking down the real molester of those children?
WinterMute
Jun 13, 2005, 04:01 PM
Not being "normal" shouldn't be a criteria for incarceration. If he didn't do anything illegal, he should be free to go.
But he already admitted giving alcohol to a minor, that could carry a sentence in it's own right.
He's finished either way, guilty or not, we've seen the last of Micheal Jackson.
It's a tragic tale, he's such a talented.... freak.
I'm not a fan, I prefer Alien Ant Farm's Smooth Criminal, I just think that Bashir's documentary put the tin hat on it.
emw
Jun 13, 2005, 04:04 PM
He's finished either way, guilty or not, we've seen the last of Micheal Jackson.Until this trial started, I thought we'd already seen the last of Michael Jackson.
I didn't realize he'd admitted to providing alcohol to minors - doesn't cast a great light on the rest of the case, I suppose.
WinterMute
Jun 13, 2005, 04:10 PM
Until this trial started, I thought we'd already seen the last of Michael Jackson.
I didn't realize he'd admitted to providing alcohol to minors - doesn't cast a great light on the rest of the case, I suppose.
OK, I've just been backtracking on the beeb, he's not admitted it, but it was added to the list of charges after testimony and some pressure from the prosecution. Legal thinking is he probably won't get sent down on that charge alone, even if found guilty.
It's the conspiracy charge that could really hurt him.
Doctor Q
Jun 13, 2005, 04:18 PM
Not guilty on all counts!
Dont Hurt Me
Jun 13, 2005, 04:18 PM
Millionaires almost never ever do the time. We know Michael has had a habit................Lawyers bite. Michael is now broke but free. Was justice served? Our sytem is about the Rich not justice. If this was a regular dude he would be in for years. Our whole sytem of government has turned into a Clustermess due to Lawyers and $$$
brap
Jun 13, 2005, 04:18 PM
BBC is reporting "Not guilty".
He doesn't belong in a jail, he belongs in psychiatric care.
faintember
Jun 13, 2005, 04:19 PM
Total crap....
America's judicial system has gone down the tubes
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:21 PM
I cannot BELIEVE that he skated on every single count. Obviously, the jurors in this case have effectively demonstrated that they are too frigging stupid to be allowed to live.
California's new state motto:
California: Where We Hate Criminals, Unless You're A Celebrity
baummer
Jun 13, 2005, 04:21 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/index.html
:rolleyes:
Peterkro
Jun 13, 2005, 04:22 PM
Americas Justice system was down the tubes long before this.Incidently from what I've read its a fair verdict.It don't pay to be different in Amerika.
Sun Baked
Jun 13, 2005, 04:22 PM
Total crap....
America's judicial system has gone down the tubesDon't worry, the family that said this wasn't about money will be filing a multi-million dollar civil case soon. :rolleyes:
Dont Hurt Me
Jun 13, 2005, 04:23 PM
B.S. ! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Its about the appearence of justice with little else. Jurors did a poor job but what do you expect in Kalifornia? Normalcy?
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:23 PM
We've got another thread about this already... can one of the mods close this one, please? (Check under Politics, Religion, Social Issues for the original thread.)
jimsowden
Jun 13, 2005, 04:23 PM
Total crap....
America's judicial system has gone down the tubes
I forget, which juror were you? The one that wasn't at the trial? Or maybe you're one of those people that studied the judiciary system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system) and passed the bar. No? are you sure, you know so much.
WinterMute
Jun 13, 2005, 04:24 PM
Hmmmmm, $$$$ still count in the American Judicial system I see.
What chance would a poor bloke from Asswipe, Arizona have stood?
Not a hope I suggest.
Lets wait for the miraculous recovery and sickeningly saccharine comeback album shall we?
Lacero
Jun 13, 2005, 04:24 PM
Michael Jackson had to be acquitted. There was too much doubt concerning the accuser's mother's intention. This reason alone guaranteed his acquittal. This is the foundation of the American justice system. Not surprising at all.
Moxiemike
Jun 13, 2005, 04:25 PM
Total crap....
America's judicial system has gone down the tubes
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This is very possible one of the last times in American history where the legal/judicial system has gotten it right.
And i bet alot of you guys want PJP II canonized as a saint. I think he's worse of a monster than jackson ever will be. PJP let child molesting priests get "transferred" to a new candy shop...er.... church. That "saint" contributed to who knows how many more molestations.
Our society has gotten its priorities messed up. It's sad and pathetic.
SpaceMagic
Jun 13, 2005, 04:26 PM
Woohoo! I have restored faith in the human race. Thank god he got off... there is no way such a frail man can go to jail for these allegations. He is now proven innocent! Yippeee.
Look people... it is the mother which needs arresting.. for allowing her child to be with a man who, in 1993, was accused of child molestation. She let him stay over there cos she knew her son was to get money out of it somehow. She is the one which should be arrested for irresponsibility.
StarbucksSam
Jun 13, 2005, 04:27 PM
I trust the people of California and their verdict.
Doctor Q
Jun 13, 2005, 04:28 PM
Is this the end of the legal process of this case, or will there be appeals?
Note: I guess Charles Manson is now safe since Jackson won't be moving into his prison wing after all.
strider42
Jun 13, 2005, 04:28 PM
Total crap....
America's judicial system has gone down the tubes
no it hasn't. There's a difference between being found not guilty and being innocent. All it says is that the evidence wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you really believe the mother in this case wasn't capable of setting him up on this one. personally, I think he's guilty, but the evidence just wasn't there. If he didn't molest this kid, I'm willing to believe he did molest others. But that's not what he was on trial for and no evidence has been presented.
notjustjay
Jun 13, 2005, 04:29 PM
Eh, just wait another 10 years...
Lyle
Jun 13, 2005, 04:30 PM
Incidentally, from what I've read it's a fair verdict.You may be right. This is another one of those cases where everyone "knows" he's guilty, but the prosecution presumably didn't do their job of proving that to the jury.
And despite all of the uproar that you might hear over the next few days concerning this verdict, I'd wager that the world will continue to reward Michael by buying his future albums.
Peterkro
Jun 13, 2005, 04:31 PM
no it hasn't. There's a difference between being found not guilty and being innocent. All it says is that the evidence wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you really believe the mother in this case wasn't capable of setting him up on this one. personally, I think he's guilty, but the evidence just wasn't there. If he didn't molest this kid, I'm willing to believe he did molest others. But that's not what he was on trial for and no evidence has been presented.
You think hes guilty or you believe hes guilty?Maybe you have evidence the court didn't?
wdlove
Jun 13, 2005, 04:31 PM
Very sad for our legal system. Once again the wealthy get off. Celebrity faces a different legal system. Another OJ. If only Scott Peterson had been wealthy and famous. :( :eek:
Treatment isn't effective for child molesters.
The only caveat is that I wasn't in the court room. He wasn't found innocent, just not guilty.
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:32 PM
Michael Jackson had to be acquitted. There was too much doubt concerning the accuser's mother's intention. This reason alone guaranteed his acquittal. This is the foundation of the American justice system. Not surprising at all.Lacero, your logic is faulty, and I'll show you why.
Let's say that X, a famous and rich celebrity, molests a child. The parents of the child, realizing that any chance to get X convicted of child molestation is slim because of X's resources and fame, decide instead to try to get X to fork over a large sum of money... something X had already done in the past. X doesn't comply, so the parents get X brought up on charges.
Does any of what happened AFTER change the fact that a crime was committed? It shouldn't... but apparently, for some people, it does. What if X had committed murder and the parents of the victim tried to get X to fork over money?
Just because the victim or their family have questionable ethics should not excuse the fact that a crime was committed by X. But as usual, too many jurors are blinded either by their own stupidity or by the fame of the accused.
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:33 PM
Is this the end of the legal process of this case, or will there be appeals?Nope, that's it... at least as far as these charges go.
SpaceMagic
Jun 13, 2005, 04:35 PM
Lacero, your logic is faulty, and I'll show you why.
Let's say that X, a famous and rich celebrity, molests a child. The parents of the child, realizing that any chance to get X convicted of child molestation is slim because of X's resources and fame, decide instead to try to get X to fork over a large sum of money... something X had already done in the past. X doesn't comply, so the parents get X brought up on charges.
Does any of what happened AFTER change the fact that a crime was committed? It shouldn't... but apparently, for some people, it does. What if X had committed murder and the parents of the victim tried to get X to fork over money?
Just because the victim or their family have questionable ethics should not excuse the fact that a crime was committed by X. But as usual, too many jurors are blinded either by their own stupidity or by the fame of the accused.
If you knew anything about the case, the jury were specifically chosen and interviewed and showed no loyalty to michael jackson.
jestershinra
Jun 13, 2005, 04:37 PM
Very sad for our legal system. Once again the wealthy get off. Celebrity faces a different legal system. Another OJ. If only Scott Peterson had been wealthy and famous. :( :eek:
Treatment isn't effective for child molesters.
The only caveat is that I wasn't in the court room. He wasn't found innocent, just not guilty.
Whatever...the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. From what I've heard/read, Tom Messereau did a fantastic job, and ripped the prosecution's star witnesses apart.
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:37 PM
If you knew anything about the case, the jury were specifically chosen and interviewed and showed no loyalty to michael jackson.Uh, yeah, I *do* know as much as I need to about the case. I also know about human nature. People are more willing to forgive crap behavior if a celebrity does something wrong.
I also know that people can LIE. The jury foreman knew NOTHING about any of Jackson's behavior concerning children? Bollocks.
Sun Baked
Jun 13, 2005, 04:38 PM
Very sad for our legal system. Once again the wealthy get off. Celebrity faces a different legal system. Another OJ. If only Scott Peterson had been wealthy and famous. :( :eek:
Treatment isn't effective for child molesters.
The only caveat is that I wasn't in the court room. He wasn't found innocent, just not guilty.But Scott Peterson had the "celebrity lawyer," however Mark Geragos has already stated that he will be helping Scott set up an appeal even if it makes him look like a chump.
You cannot fault Mark Geragos for willingness to help Scott find an appeal's specialist even if it's likely to be an appeal based on ineffective counsel.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 04:39 PM
I ask one question, If he is so innocent would you have your kids sleep over at Jackos house.
wdlove
Jun 13, 2005, 04:39 PM
Is this the end of the legal process of this case, or will there be appeals?
Note: I guess Charles Manson is now safe since Jackson won't be moving into his prison wing after all.
This is the end of this case, no retrial. If Michael molests again, whoever is the prosecutor at the time in the future will certainly need to have all the evidence solidly lined up prior to any new prosecution.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 04:41 PM
Im sure he will molest again, its all he knows. :rolleyes:
Peterkro
Jun 13, 2005, 04:43 PM
If Jackson molests AGAIN there's no evidence hes molested anybody at all.Unless you believe where there's smoke there's fire.This hasn't been about his celebrity but about the fact hes different from the rigidly enforced norm.
jestershinra
Jun 13, 2005, 04:44 PM
I ask one question, If he is so innocent would you have your kids sleep over at Jackos house.
Remember, the jury ruled not that he was innocent, but that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that, in this instance, Michael Jackson molested this kid. However, I wouldn't let my kids sleep there, no.
CanadaRAM
Jun 13, 2005, 04:44 PM
I cannot BELIEVE that he skated on every single count. Obviously, the jurors in this case have effectively demonstrated that they are too frigging stupid to be allowed to live.
Clay, that's harsh even as hyperbole. It's certainly not humorous. Not in the least.
To propose to kill someone who doesn't measure up to your standards of intelligence or who doesn't believe something the way you do...
puckhead193
Jun 13, 2005, 04:47 PM
what do you think will happen to jacko now? I think he'll move to europe or asia.
Sun Baked
Jun 13, 2005, 04:50 PM
what do you think will happen to jacko now? I think he'll move to europe or asia.Jackson Family Concert tour...
Either that, or we start seeing the Michael Jackson Bankruptcy trial.
puckhead193
Jun 13, 2005, 04:52 PM
Jackson Family Concert tour...
Either that, or we start seeing the Michael Jackson Bankruptcy trial.
HAHAHAHAHA, i want tickets to the family concert tour :rolleyes:
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:53 PM
Clay, that's harsh even as hyperbole. It's certainly not humorous. Not in the least.
To propose to kill someone who doesn't measure up to your standards of intelligence or who doesn't believe something the way you do...Well, I apologize.
But I'm just stunned, APPALLED to see that he got off on EVERYTHING. The jurors ignored established facts and didn't even convict him of misdemeanor counts. The only thing I am thankful for is that these dolts all live in California and that there is likely no chance that they'll ever be able to inflict their special brand of stupidity on me in person.
And Jackson should be thankful that I was not on the jury... if I was, I'd keep the jurors in that room until Judgment Day or until a mistrial was declared.
wordmunger
Jun 13, 2005, 04:54 PM
Jackson Family Concert tour...
Either that, or we start seeing the Michael Jackson Bankruptcy trial.
Nah, he can just sell his interest in the Beatles for $500 mil, and be $220 mil in the black... or, well, in the case of Jacko, at least a pale tan.
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 04:54 PM
what do you think will happen to jacko now? I think he'll move to europe or asia.Good. They're welcome to him.
StarbucksSam
Jun 13, 2005, 04:59 PM
Well, I apologize.
But I'm just stunned, APPALLED to see that he got off on EVERYTHING. The jurors ignored established facts and didn't even convict him of misdemeanor counts. The only thing I am thankful for is that these dolts all live in California and that there is likely no chance that they'll ever be able to inflict their special brand of stupidity on me in person.
And Jackson should be thankful that I was not on the jury... if I was, I'd keep the jurors in that room until Judgment Day or until a mistrial was declared.
That's very ignorant. You nor I nor the prosecution has any PROOF of that statement and hence the jury decided he was not guilty. I trust the people to make the right decision - THEY sat there for MONTHS and heard the testimony and put their lives aside to make our justice system work. Just be glad that it's innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around - otherwise I could say you murdered my sister, set up a sinister conspiracy plot, and you'd have to prove me WRONG. (for the record, I do not have a sister)
wordmunger
Jun 13, 2005, 04:59 PM
Well, I apologize.
But I'm just stunned, APPALLED to see that he got off on EVERYTHING. The jurors ignored established facts and didn't even convict him of misdemeanor counts. The only thing I am thankful for is that these dolts all live in California and that there is likely no chance that they'll ever be able to inflict their special brand of stupidity on me in person.
And Jackson should be thankful that I was not on the jury... if I was, I'd keep the jurors in that room until Judgment Day or until a mistrial was declared.
I didn't exactly follow the case, but it seemed like it was the case of celebrity parasites versus celebrity weirdo. I don't think I'd like to have that kids' parents, that's for sure... following celebs all around the country, trying to extort money from them. Jacko may be nutso, but they don't exactly have their heads screwed on straight either.
CubaTBird
Jun 13, 2005, 05:05 PM
all i got to say is
this proves michael jackson is bad, likes to beat it, and is a pretty smooth criminal
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 05:10 PM
Looks like Jacko OJ and Robert Blake can play golf together now. :mad:
mactastic
Jun 13, 2005, 05:13 PM
Looks like Jacko OJ and Robert Blake can play golf together now. :mad:
Along with Gary Condit and the Ramsey parents? ;)
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 05:22 PM
Along with Gary Condit and the Ramsey parents? ;)No, Condit was clearly not guilty. His problem was that he ACTED like he was guilty, all because he was trying to cover up any illicit relationship he might have had with Chandra Levy. If he'd been up front from the get go, he'd've been eliminated from the list of suspects and he might still be in Congress.
The Ramsey case, I fear, will never be solved. Simply too much time has gone by, and there's no chance of new evidence appearing as happened in the Chandra Levy case (i.e., her body was found along with evidence that pointed to someone else).
Applespider
Jun 13, 2005, 05:31 PM
The jurors seem like a pretty odd bunch from their press conference!
mactastic
Jun 13, 2005, 05:36 PM
No, Condit was clearly not guilty. His problem was that he ACTED like he was guilty, all because he was trying to cover up any illicit relationship he might have had with Chandra Levy. If he'd been up front from the get go, he'd've been eliminated from the list of suspects and he might still be in Congress.
The Ramsey case, I fear, will never be solved. Simply too much time has gone by, and there's no chance of new evidence appearing as happened in the Chandra Levy case (i.e., her body was found along with evidence that pointed to someone else).
Wow, you really seem to know who is guilty and who is innocent.
puckhead193
Jun 13, 2005, 05:39 PM
The jurors seem like a pretty odd bunch from their press conference!
Just a bit... :p
I want to ask them if they would let their own children hang out with MJ..... ;)
zimv20
Jun 13, 2005, 05:52 PM
People are more willing to forgive crap behavior if a celebrity does something wrong.
care to substantiate that with a reputable study?
Doctor Q
Jun 13, 2005, 06:05 PM
Wow, you really seem to know who is guilty and who is innocent.If you are suggesting that members not post their opinions about Jackson's innocence or guilt, I disagree. People are second-guessing the trial outcome and I think that is fine. We weren't at Neverland, and we weren't in the jury room, but second-guessing is guessing, and educated guessing can be very informative.
mactastic
Jun 13, 2005, 06:20 PM
If you are suggesting that members not post their opinions about Jackson's innocence or guilt, I disagree. People are second-guessing the trial outcome and I think that is fine. We weren't at Neverland, and we weren't in the jury room, but second-guessing is guessing, and educated guessing can be very informative.
That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm just commenting on Clay's seeming to know better than all the juries in these cases that they are all 'frigging idiots'. As the saying goes, 'You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts.'
Personally I'd be a little more deferential to the people who spend months in court on these cases. But that's just my opinion. ;)
Dont Hurt Me
Jun 13, 2005, 06:50 PM
all i got to say is
this proves michael jackson is bad, likes to beat it, and is a pretty smooth criminal
Thank you ,LOL . I bet the world is laughing at U.S.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 07:01 PM
The jurors really didn't like the accusers mother, I think she blew the case for the prosecution.
Xtremehkr
Jun 13, 2005, 07:18 PM
Next time he is brought up on charges, the parents need to be charged as well. At this point, only the worst or most ignorant of people would let their kids have anything to do with Michael Jackson.
mcarnes
Jun 13, 2005, 07:52 PM
Well, I apologize.
But I'm just stunned, APPALLED to see that he got off on EVERYTHING. The jurors ignored established facts and didn't even convict him of misdemeanor counts. The only thing I am thankful for is that these dolts all live in California and that there is likely no chance that they'll ever be able to inflict their special brand of stupidity on me in person.
And Jackson should be thankful that I was not on the jury... if I was, I'd keep the jurors in that room until Judgment Day or until a mistrial was declared.
Oh brother. Grow up dude.
dubbz
Jun 13, 2005, 08:00 PM
I'm not surprised... and even if he were guilty, he'd belong in a hospital, not a jail. His brain must be pretty addled, considering the things he's done.
clayj
Jun 13, 2005, 08:17 PM
Just a bit... :p
I want to ask them if they would let their own children hang out with MJ..... ;)Someone did ask them... and they responded exactly as I thought they would: They dodged the question. There was not one "Hell no, I'd never let my kids stay at his house"... it was all "Well, as a parent you have to make choices about your child's welfare" and other wishy-washyness.
And I'm curious... since when do the subsequent actions of a victim's family (e.g., trying to get money out of a defendant) have any bearing on the crime itself? They are completely separate incidents and should be handled as such. Seems to me that what the parents did should have been completely inadmissible, and that the case should have focused SOLELY on what went on at Neverland Ranch and other places where Jackson may have acted in an illegal manner.
skunk
Jun 13, 2005, 08:19 PM
Someone did ask them... and they responded exactly as I thought they would: They dodged the question. There was not one "Hell no, I'd never let my kids stay at his house"... it was all "Well, as a parent you have to make choices about your child's welfare" and other wishy-washyness.
And I'm curious... since when do the subsequent actions of a victim's family (e.g., trying to get money out of a defendant) have any bearing on the crime itself? They are completely separate incidents and should be handled as such. Seems to me that what the parents did should have been completely inadmissible, and that the case should have focused SOLELY on what went on at Neverland Ranch and other places where Jackson may have acted in an illegal manner.Dunno, something about credibility of witnesses?
:cool:
Don't panic
Jun 13, 2005, 08:44 PM
And I'm curious... since when do the subsequent actions of a victim's family (e.g., trying to get money out of a defendant) have any bearing on the crime itself? They are completely separate incidents and should be handled as such. Seems to me that what the parents did should have been completely inadmissible, and that the case should have focused SOLELY on what went on at Neverland Ranch and other places where Jackson may have acted in an illegal manner.
the problem here is that the prosecution case was not based on much hard evidence.
When the entire argument's is someone's word, then their credibility, ulterior motives and "track record" becomes relevant.
Aren't you basing your judgment mostly on jacko's precedents as a weirdo/alleged molester yourself?
ColoJohnBoy
Jun 13, 2005, 08:52 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if MJ was molested himself as a child? I'm searching for the exact statistics, but I recall that over 90% of pedophiles were molested themselves.
MacNut
Jun 13, 2005, 08:58 PM
Im not sure if we was molested but his father did beat the crap out of him when he was younger.
mactastic
Jun 13, 2005, 09:10 PM
Yeah there has been a ton of really horrible crap laid at the feet of Joe Jackson regarding the way he raised his children. Not that it's any excuse for anything, but MJ had a, shall we say, less than stellar father figure. I've never heard allegations of sexual abuse against Joe Jackson, but lots of other flavors of abuse have been alleged.
yg17
Jun 13, 2005, 09:33 PM
what do you think will happen to jacko now? I think he'll move to europe or asia.
Yeah, hopefully he'll move to a country where they don't tolerate this ****, famous or not.
I can't believe he got off. Well, I guess I can because as history shows us, a celebrity never gets convited, and if they do (martha) they get a slap on the wrist compared to what you or I would get. Wasn't the first time he got off, won't be the last.
yoda13
Jun 13, 2005, 09:39 PM
I have worried that Jacko would get judged for being a freak, whether he was guilty or not. Regardless of whether you believe he was guilty or not, it looks to me like that the prosecution really messed this one up to lose on all counts. But that is just my two cents.
Ugg
Jun 14, 2005, 12:22 AM
Don't worry, the family that said this wasn't about money will be filing a multi-million dollar civil case soon. :rolleyes:
Yep, and they'll win millions too. Everyone knows the criminal case is just for show, what really counts is the civil case. They're a bunchy of greedy buggers who seem to have more or less pimped out their son.
Let's just hope that mj disappears into a cloud of obscurity and the boy doesn't get too messed up by the greed of his family. It's sad all around really.
Rod Rod
Jun 14, 2005, 02:18 AM
Nah, he can just sell his interest in the Beatles for $500 mil, and be $220 mil in the black... or, well, in the case of Jacko, at least a pale tan.
Would Michael Jackson have the power to keep Apple Corps from (again) suing Apple Computer?
btw it's great that MJ was never featured in the Think Different campaign.
CanadaRAM
Jun 14, 2005, 02:23 AM
btw it's great that MJ was never featured in the Think Different campaign.
Naw, Apple was saving him for the iPod Video campaign -- "Look Different"
;)
MacSA
Jun 14, 2005, 06:43 AM
The jury sat and listened to 4 months of evidence, i'm sure THEY feel they made the right decision.
yg17
Jun 14, 2005, 07:42 AM
The jury sat and listened to 4 months of evidence, i'm sure THEY feel they made the right decision.
If I were them, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I let a child molester back into the world.
skunk
Jun 14, 2005, 07:45 AM
If I were them, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I let a child molester back into the world.He was found not guilty. But I suppose that's irrelevant. Lynch him anyway.
Moxiemike
Jun 14, 2005, 07:52 AM
Thank you ,LOL . I bet the world is laughing at U.S.
The World didn't need a michael jackson child molestation case to laugh loudly about the US. They only need to look at the occupation of Iraq, the tenisons in the Middle East, and most of Bushie's policies. THAT'S what the rest of the world is laughing about.
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skunk
Jun 14, 2005, 07:54 AM
The World didn't need a michael jackson child molestation case to laugh loudly about the US. They only need to look at the occupation of Iraq, the tenisons in the Middle East, and most of Bushie's policies. THAT'S what the rest of the world is laughing about.You must have a very robust sense of humour.
Moxiemike
Jun 14, 2005, 08:00 AM
You must have a very robust sense of humour.
Only on Thursday nights
zimv20
Jun 14, 2005, 08:59 AM
the tenisons in the Middle East
speaking of which, i recently watched the entire Prime Suspect series. good stuff.
skunk
Jun 14, 2005, 09:29 AM
"Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die." Wasn't that Tenison, too?
Lyle
Jun 14, 2005, 10:03 AM
"Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die." Wasn't that Tenison, too?Yes, but he was one of the English Tenisons, not one of the Middle East Tenisons.
scem0
Jun 14, 2005, 10:31 AM
If I were them, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I let a child molester back into the world.
I hate to see people jumping to conclusions like this. I don't think anybody here knows everything involved with the trials. I just hope you aren't basing your opinion that he is a child molester on shaky ground, or on no ground at all.
Personally, I don't know the first thing about the evidence given, or the trial in general, so I won't make a statement in any side's favor. I trust the jury made the right decision, given that they saw so much involving this trial that we did not see.
scem0
mischief
Jun 14, 2005, 10:53 AM
Naw, Apple was saving him for the iPod Video campaign -- "Look Different"
;)
Hush now. Just because the guy's reverting to his thin, grey, noseless, slit mouthed, huge-headed, black-almond-eyed native form doesn't mean we should joke around about the guy's appearance. He's a Resident Alien.... Roswell was just a little too obvious so he stayed near LA to set up his experimentation station. Eventually these kids'll start farting fire and beaming back data via giant retractible rectal satellite dishes and he'll finally be able to complete his mission: Releasing the complete works of the Beatles in Bovinese. :rolleyes:
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