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bigdawg1192
Feb 16, 2012, 04:34 PM
I have an iPhone so naturally all of my contacts receive iMessages from me via my phone number. Majority of these contacts do not have my email address. While my iPhone is properly syncing with the Messages Beta App on Lion every time I respond to an iMessage it comes from my email address and my contacts ask who this is. Is there a way to fix this? Does Apple plan to address this for the final version?



Glassed Silver
Feb 16, 2012, 04:37 PM
This is something were they really screwed up.

Redundant contacts, conversations etc... Really, Apple?

As much as all my receiving and sending addresses are set up on my iPhone, I'd rather the service take those to just route to my Apple ID and go from there...

It's ridiculous...

Glassed Silver:mac

bigdawg1192
Feb 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
So essentially there is no way to link the computer Messages app with my phone number?

thankins
Feb 16, 2012, 04:46 PM
So essentially there is no way to link the computer Messages app with my phone number?
Nope - you need to share your Apple ID with your friends. Also setup your iPhone to use your email address as your callerID for text messages - this will help tons

Go To settings on your iPhone
then messages - then click receive at
Select Caller ID and click your email addy.

bigdawg1192
Feb 16, 2012, 04:49 PM
Nope - you need to share your Apple ID with your friends. Also setup your iPhone to use your email address as your callerID for text messages - this will help tons

Go To settings on your iPhone
then messages - then click receive at
Select Caller ID and click your email addy.

That's really a shame, people communicate via phone numbers this now requires getting additional information when you get someones contact info

mrblack927
Feb 16, 2012, 08:22 PM
That's really a shame, people communicate via phone numbers this now requires getting additional information when you get someones contact info

Well on the one hand I agree, that is what people do... right now. On the other, I see where Apple is going with this. They're trying to "untether" us from phone numbers. Only then can we move forward technologically. That is, the freedom to communicate seemlessly between any internet-connected device. Think about it... with voip, you can call anyone from any computer, tablet, ipod, whatever. There's really no reason to use the number-based voice system anymore (other than that everyone already does). The concept of a "phone number" is outdated and should be retired. Of course, cell phone companies don't want this to happen. They make a lot of money by locking people into their plans and making it hard to switch networks.

The future is internet IDs (like an apple ID). Take it with you anywhere, use it for all communication (email, voice, facetime, etc) on any device. Apple is once again ahead of the curve and trying to force change a bit early.

hafr
Feb 17, 2012, 02:50 AM
Well on the one hand I agree, that is what people do... right now. On the other, I see where Apple is going with this. They're trying to "untether" us from phone numbers. Only then can we move forward technologically. That is, the freedom to communicate seemlessly between any internet-connected device. Think about it... with voip, you can call anyone from any computer, tablet, ipod, whatever. There's really no reason to use the number-based voice system anymore (other than that everyone already does). The concept of a "phone number" is outdated and should be retired. Of course, cell phone companies don't want this to happen. They make a lot of money by locking people into their plans and making it hard to switch networks.

The future is internet IDs (like an apple ID). Take it with you anywhere, use it for all communication (email, voice, facetime, etc) on any device. Apple is once again ahead of the curve and trying to force change a bit early.

This is exactly what I'm thinking. There is no need for the excessive cost that we're all paying today, except for keeping rich people rich.

Where I live, I have to pay 25 cents per minute to call someone with my phone, but using Jumblo (a VoIP provider), I pay three cents a minute. Granted I need to have 3G or wifi reception for it to be useable, but it saves me a ton of money.

Also, calling landlines is free. For me, being an expat, I can't even begin to tell you how liberating it is to be able to call family and friends in my home country for free without having me or them having to be by a computer.

JDENredden
Feb 17, 2012, 04:20 AM
What happens if the person cannot be reached via iMessage? On the iPhone it would send through as a text message. If the iMessage cannot be delivered it should be sent to the users iPhone where it is then sent via text to the recipient. But have that all nicely flowing.

Similarly with the contacts coming as emails, as apposed to phone numbers, that needs to be fixed. But Im not sure how without invading phone number privacy. Ie. you cant serve someone, someone else's phone umber just because they sent that person an iMessage via email.

J.

okwhatev
Feb 17, 2012, 05:02 AM
What happens if the person cannot be reached via iMessage? On the iPhone it would send through as a text message. If the iMessage cannot be delivered it should be sent to the users iPhone where it is then sent via text to the recipient. But have that all nicely flowing.

Similarly with the contacts coming as emails, as apposed to phone numbers, that needs to be fixed. But Im not sure how without invading phone number privacy. Ie. you cant serve someone, someone else's phone umber just because they sent that person an iMessage via email.

J.

What happens now is a little red exclamation point that says the message wasn't delivered. Forwarding via email is a good solution, but it would be cool if you could link a phone number for an SMS backup as well.

Burton8219
Feb 17, 2012, 11:03 AM
This is something were they really screwed up.

Redundant contacts, conversations etc... Really, Apple?

As much as all my receiving and sending addresses are set up on my iPhone, I'd rather the service take those to just route to my Apple ID and go from there...

It's ridiculous...

Glassed Silver:mac
I agree... you should be able to link your number to the email address so you can be reached under the same conversation by people sending from iPads/iPhones. I send an iMessage from my laptop and it comes up as my email... I send it from my phone it goes to that same person as my phone number. It should be the same both ways.

SonicStomp
Feb 17, 2012, 11:16 AM
Go into iPhone settings and make sure your caller ID is set to your email address...over time replies to you will transition from your phone number to email address and all will be well in the world...:)

hafr
Feb 17, 2012, 11:21 AM
Go into iPhone settings and make sure your caller ID is set to your email address...over time replies to you will transition from your phone number to email address and all will be well in the world...:)

Also, don't forget to tell people [that you know have an iPhone] to text your e-mail address instead of your phone number.

mkamchi
Feb 22, 2012, 09:04 AM
I agree... you should be able to link your number to the email address so you can be reached under the same conversation by people sending from iPads/iPhones. I send an iMessage from my laptop and it comes up as my email... I send it from my phone it goes to that same person as my phone number. It should be the same both ways.

I'd like to see linking the number as well. I use several different email addresses for various people and purposes; but carry only one cell phone. The cell phone number is the "common denominator". The way this is implemented, I have to use a single email address for everyone I want to text with - and oh by the way, that has to be my apple id as well.

newagemac
Feb 22, 2012, 09:36 AM
I'd like to see linking the number as well. I use several different email addresses for various people and purposes; but carry only one cell phone. The cell phone number is the "common denominator". The way this is implemented, I have to use a single email address for everyone I want to text with - and oh by the way, that has to be my apple id as well.

You don't have to use a single email address. Go into the settings for iMessage, FaceTime, etc. and you will see it allows you to add additional email addresses you can be contacted at. And if you access your Apple ID account, you will see that these show up as alternative email addresses on your account.

ssn637
Feb 22, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nope - you need to share your Apple ID with your friends. Also setup your iPhone to use your email address as your callerID for text messages - this will help tons

Go To settings on your iPhone
then messages - then click receive at
Select Caller ID and click your email addy.

I don't see this option under Messages, but it is available under FaceTime (IOS 5.1 Beta 3).

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 25, 2012, 08:19 AM
What's the advantage again for having Caller ID set to your apple ID instead of your phone number?

hafr
Feb 25, 2012, 09:29 AM
What's the advantage again for having Caller ID set to your apple ID instead of your phone number?

Sometimes it means that messages sent from your phone, iPad, iPod touch and computer will end up in the same message thread on the receiving end.

irnchriz
Feb 26, 2012, 12:26 AM
The problem that needs to be solved is to create a secure and reliable way to link your number to your Apple ID/email. Without a way to do this 100% securely and reliably it is not going to happen. I imagine that this is a headache that Apple don't want to deal with. I do think that they should explain / document iMessage more and highlight the benefits of setting your caller ID to your Apple ID.

sufjankasher
Feb 26, 2012, 02:04 AM
ditch imessage, get mysms :D

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 27, 2012, 07:23 AM
Sometimes it means that messages sent from your phone, iPad, iPod touch and computer will end up in the same message thread on the receiving end.

Ah, thanks. I noticed as soon as I split up caller ID between my phone and computer that messages weren't syncing up.

One annoying thing that I've mentioned before is that when they're all under the same caller ID, you get alerted on your phone when a message is received on your mac.

Still think Apple needs to put a priority system in place. First mac messages then iMessage.

I really like using Mac Messages but if this won't happen in the future I might have to remove it. :(

hafr
Feb 27, 2012, 09:18 AM
Ah, thanks. I noticed as soon as I split up caller ID between my phone and computer that messages weren't syncing up.

One annoying thing that I've mentioned before is that when they're all under the same caller ID, you get alerted on your phone when a message is received on your mac.

Still think Apple needs to put a priority system in place. First mac messages then iMessage.

I really like using Mac Messages but if this won't happen in the future I might have to remove it. :(

For me, the phone doesn't get any alerts if the Messenger app is active on the computer, which was quite annoying when I went out last Friday having left the app active on the computer...

Tom8
Feb 27, 2012, 09:59 AM
Apple really need to find a way to link the phone number and email addresses for messages. I don't want to have to restart whole conversations so i can have them on my Mac and iPhone, just because Apple botched their implementation.

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 27, 2012, 11:26 AM
For me, the phone doesn't get any alerts if the Messenger app is active on the computer, which was quite annoying when I went out last Friday having left the app active on the computer...

Hmm, this is strange, I'd love to know what settings you have on your phone/osx messages.

JUiCEJamie
Feb 27, 2012, 11:27 AM
They're trying to "untether" us from phone numbers. Only then can we move forward.

So so so true.

hafr
Feb 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
Hmm, this is strange, I'd love to know what settings you have on your phone/osx messages.

It was like this from the very beginning. I downloaded the beta, installed it, entered my Apple ID and started sending messages. I got a bit surprised when my phone wasn't vibrating from receiving messages so I got worried that it didn't sync the messages at all - but they did. And being in a very active chat a bit later on, I noticed my phone going crazy as soon as I put Messages in the background, and calmed down as Messages was the active app...

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 27, 2012, 03:10 PM
I'm back to having apple ID on both.

I get what they're doing, this is exactly how I want to do it but it goes ot my phone whenever the conversation isn't active

i'd rather have it go to my phone only when Messages on OSX is closed :-/

I'll recommend this feature on apples site.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Tanax
Feb 27, 2012, 07:30 PM
Well on the one hand I agree, that is what people do... right now. On the other, I see where Apple is going with this. They're trying to "untether" us from phone numbers. Only then can we move forward technologically. That is, the freedom to communicate seemlessly between any internet-connected device. Think about it... with voip, you can call anyone from any computer, tablet, ipod, whatever. There's really no reason to use the number-based voice system anymore (other than that everyone already does). The concept of a "phone number" is outdated and should be retired. Of course, cell phone companies don't want this to happen. They make a lot of money by locking people into their plans and making it hard to switch networks.

The future is internet IDs (like an apple ID). Take it with you anywhere, use it for all communication (email, voice, facetime, etc) on any device. Apple is once again ahead of the curve and trying to force change a bit early.

Agreed with everything you said!
However, that is also kind of the problem. They are so far ahead of the curve that the change they're trying to force through is a bit _too_ early. Due to the fact that people use cellphones with a phone-number and not an email-address, the whole iMessage-deal creates extremely redundant information in our text-messages.

I've been trying to tell my friends to text me on my mail instead so that I recieve the text on all my devices, however, this creates several problems.

1. They will now have 2 text-threads for the same contact(me) which can be confusing
2. If they're using the email-one, they won't have access to the history from our previous texting when the number was used
3. If they're using the email-one, they can't send a regular text-message so they have to go back to the old one - thus creating problem #2 again but reversed

IMO Apple should instead try to integrate both number and email into the same message-thread. Have the message sent to the email as standard if there's an Internet-connection. All messages sent this way will be sent to all devices. If for some reason the sender doesn't have Internet-access, have it send the text to the number instead. This message should still be in the same conversation-thread, only that it's marked green as usual(and perhaps a "details" option for each message if you click it, where it will display information about what ID the message was sent to, number or email, etc.). Messages sent to the number will obviously only show up on the phone-device so the problem here is that part of the conversation-history will only be available on the iPhone.

There's a workaround for that. Have these messages that was sent to the number marked as "Offline" or something. When either of the phones(sender or reciever) has Internet access again, have it "upload" the offline messages to iMessage. If it's the sender who gains Internet access, the message will just be resent as a regular iMessage, thus making the message being sent to the email and pushed to all of the reciever's devices. If it's the reciever who has Internet-access, have their iPhone upload that message as an iMessage, thus pushing the message it recieved onto every device the owner has.

Voilá.
Some things obviously needs to be figured out but I believe this is a much better way to transition into an email-ID for phones rather than just boom bang like they're doing now - even if it's the future.

brueck
Jul 19, 2012, 08:21 PM
Nope - you need to share your Apple ID with your friends. Also setup your iPhone to use your email address as your callerID for text messages - this will help tons

Go To settings on your iPhone
then messages - then click receive at
Select Caller ID and click your email addy.

This is wrong! Apple has announced that it will be unifying Apple IDs with phone numbers!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078598/ios-6-unified-apple-id-phone-number

screensaver400
Jul 19, 2012, 09:43 PM
Except for you, this thread hasn't had a post since Febraury, before Apple announced that unification. Even so, it appears to be an iOS 6 feature. I haven't heard of a way to add a phone number to Messages on Mac yet. That will presumably happen when iOS 6 is released.

Sound214
Jul 19, 2012, 10:20 PM
Except for you, this thread hasn't had a post since Febraury, before Apple announced that unification. Even so, it appears to be an iOS 6 feature. I haven't heard of a way to add a phone number to Messages on Mac yet. That will presumably happen when iOS 6 is released.

This is/will be a Mac feature as well. Scott Forstall at WWDC: "We're unifying your phone number and your Apple ID, so if someone calls you on your phone number, with a Facetime call, you can answer that call on your iPad or even your Mac. And we're doing the exact same thing with iMessage, so if someone sends an iMessage to your phone number you can receive that and reply on your iPad or your Mac."

Does not seem to work for me under Mountain Lion GM, though. It's working like a charm on my iPad, running iOS 6 beta 3.

screensaver400
Jul 19, 2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah, exactly. Forstall said it, during the iOS 6 presentation. It wasn't mentioned in the Mountain Lion segment.

The feature is coming--I never said it wasn't--but only with iOS 6, not with the release of Mountain Lion.

Runt888
Jul 19, 2012, 11:30 PM
Yeah, exactly. Forstall said it, during the iOS 6 presentation. It wasn't mentioned in the Mountain Lion segment.

The feature is coming--I never said it wasn't--but only with iOS 6, not with the release of Mountain Lion.

If you're replying from your Mac then an os x update is implied. Releasing iOS 6 isn't going to magically add features to messages in ML (although it might be something as easy as enabling a feature that is already built in to messages but turned off).

brueck
Jul 20, 2012, 03:10 AM
Releasing iOS 6 isn't going to magically add features to messages in ML.

^

Pressure
Jul 20, 2012, 03:37 AM
Well, to confirm previous information I can use Messages with phone numbers straight from my computer with Mountain Lion GM.

deadcantdance
Jul 20, 2012, 04:15 AM
What did you do to make it working?

brueck
Jul 20, 2012, 05:26 AM
well, to confirm previous information i can use messages with phone numbers straight from my computer with mountain lion gm.

how?!

negativzero
Jul 20, 2012, 05:46 AM
Well, to confirm previous information I can use Messages with phone numbers straight from my computer with Mountain Lion GM.

I call BS on this.

Pressure
Jul 20, 2012, 07:50 AM
how?!

Well, it obviously has to be an iPhone.

I call BS on this.

Think we are operating under a misunderstanding. I am sending from my Apple ID to a telephone number.


What did you do to make it working?

Installed Mountain Lion and it just worked.

Nozuka
Jul 20, 2012, 08:29 AM
obviously the linking from a phone number to an appleID can only happen on an iphone, or someone else could just steal your number. unless they send some kind of verification code to your phone.

which is why we'll most likely have to wait for iOS6.

but sending from appleID to phonenumber works fine.

brueck
Jul 20, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well, it obviously has to be an iPhone.



Think we are operating under a misunderstanding. I am sending from my Apple ID to a telephone number.




Installed Mountain Lion and it just worked.

Yeah...I know that...I'm not talking about sending a message to a phone number from a mac. You've been able to do that with AIM for years. I want to receive the messages sent to my apple id and my phone number on my mac, just as my iPhone receives both, and vice versa.

screensaver400
Jul 20, 2012, 02:18 PM
obviously the linking from a phone number to an appleID can only happen on an iphone, or someone else could just steal your number. unless they send some kind of verification code to your phone.

which is why we'll most likely have to wait for iOS6.

but sending from appleID to phonenumber works fine.

This. iOS 6 will allow you to merge your iPhone's phone number with your iMessage Apple ID, from the phone itself. When that happens, OS X 10.8.2 (or whatever) will add that to Messages on Mac too.

It has to be this way. Why? What if a non-iPhone user added his cell phone number to Messages on Mac? Then, anyone who tried to send him a text message from an iPhone would end up sending an iMessage that only goes to his computer. That's a problem. Adding a phone number to a Messages account must necessarily only occur on the phone itself.

The verification idea is fine, and would be a stopgap if Apple wanted to allow sending iMessages from a phone number on a Mac now, but it wouldn't solve the non-iPhone user problem. I can't imagine anyone actually preferring to no longer receive text messages to their Android from iPhone users, in favor of them going directly to their Mac. So the verification idea would only make sense for iPhone users pre-iOS 6. I don't see Apple implementing it.