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Arelunde
Mar 7, 2012, 03:48 PM
I have a Bionic - stock - that sits in my desk drawer. I keep it updated, OS-wise, but use my older iPhone4 all the time. The difference is mainly QUALITY in every sense from the case (plastic vs. glass & metal), to type (adjustable in the iPhone) and icon sizes, sound (always muffled voice on Bionic calls), CAMERA performance (no contest - the Bionic's is awful), crashes, etc.

The Bionic was the first 4G/LTE Motorola phone, quickly outdated by the Razr and Razr Maxx plus others released by Motorola starting about a month or so after the Bionic. You can imagine how betrayed Bionic owners felt when their issue-plagued $500 device was top dog for a few weeks.

I honestly DO like the larger screen, but the quality of the image on the iPhone makes up for the smaller real estate. Hopefully the next generation iPhone will have a larger screen.

I agree that 4.3-4.7 inches would be about ideal for a phone. The Note's combo phone/tablet is interesting and seems a logical progression. I would be interested to play around with it, but not to buy it... at least not yet. I'll wait for the iPhone5 (or whatever it will be called).



rjohnstone
Mar 7, 2012, 03:55 PM
I have a Bionic - stock - that sits in my desk drawer. I keep it updated, OS-wise, but use my older iPhone4 all the time. The difference is mainly QUALITY in every sense from the case (plastic vs. glass & metal), to type (adjustable in the iPhone) and icon sizes, sound (always muffled voice on Bionic calls), CAMERA performance (no contest - the Bionic's is awful), crashes, etc.

The Bionic was the first 4G/LTE Motorola phone, quickly outdated by the Razr and Razr Maxx plus others released by Motorola starting about a month or so after the Bionic. You can imagine how betrayed Bionic owners felt when their issue-plagued $500 device was top dog for a few weeks.

I honestly DO like the larger screen, but the quality of the image on the iPhone makes up for the smaller real estate. Hopefully the next generation iPhone will have a larger screen.

I agree that 4.3-4.7 inches would be about ideal for a phone. The Note's combo phone/tablet is interesting and seems a logical progression. I would be interested to play around with it, but not to buy it... at least not yet. I'll wait for the iPhone5 (or whatever it will be called).
I know a few Bionic owners... they seem pretty happy.
It's also getting ICS the same time the RAZR owners will get it.

As for build quality, the only thing plastic is the battery cover.
The frame is metal. Moto doesn't use plastic frames on any of their smartphones.
No, it's not pretty. Moto has never made a "pretty" phone.

Arelunde
Mar 7, 2012, 07:01 PM
Very interesting comment. I might have to re-evaluate my Bionic. However, until ICS shows up, it doesn't trump my iPhone.

ChubZ
Mar 7, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sorry to burst your excuse bubble again... normal bone structure here.
Perhaps you just have more feminine hands than most. ;)

As for the battery... nothing to stretch. I forgot to plug in the charger on more than one occasion over nite and still had 15-20% battery in the morning.
The phone has fantastic power management capabilities.

AT&T's LTE network is better thought out than Verizon's LTE network.
The phone doesn't spend half the day flipping back and forth between 3G and LTE like Verizon LTE phones do.

I've only seen the phone lose the LTE signal twice since I've purchased it.
One time I was fishing... I was out in the middle of nowhere. Phone calls still worked... no data.
The other was in the basement of our data center. It's RF shielded.
We only have repeaters for voice service in there, no data.

Hunting for a signal kills a cell battery faster than most other activities.



A quick check shows 50,000 apps and growing daily. ;)

Just embrace you Apple fanboism and admit you are under the influence of the RDF.
It's a lot better than making baseless arguments that are easily dispelled.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Verizons LTE Network has a bigger foot print that ATT and better overall coverage areas.......How do I know?

I only work for the company that makes, supplies and installs both companies LTE equipment (soon to be sprint), radio heads and LTE switches.

Buildbright
Mar 7, 2012, 08:14 PM
Yes. I want a bigger screen and LTE but everytime I use a Android phone I could not switch. Its good for some but I Hate It personally.

BiggAW
Mar 7, 2012, 09:32 PM
No, it's not pretty. Moto has never made a "pretty" phone.

DROID RAZR MAXX is one of the most beautiful phones I have ever seen, with the Kevlar backing and super thin design. I actually like the shape better than the regular RAZR.

rjohnstone
Mar 8, 2012, 01:17 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble but Verizons LTE Network has a bigger foot print that ATT and better overall coverage areas.......How do I know?

I only work for the company that makes, supplies and installs both companies LTE equipment (soon to be sprint), radio heads and LTE switches.

Come to Phoenix and I'll be happy to prove you wrong. :)
Verizon has mediocre LTE coverage compared to AT&T in AZ.

National footprint is meaningless to me.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 01:59 AM
On occasion I find myself wanting to switch to an Android handset. I just find that all of that Android phones feel cheap and I really would never want my phone to be as large as they are. I find the iPhone is already big enough, if anything I wouldn't mind seeing the an iPhone mini or something similar in size to the HTC Aria. Real 4g would be amazing though!

Lindenhurst
Mar 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
On occasion I find myself wanting to switch to an Android handset. I just find that all of that Android phones feel cheap and I really would never want my phone to be as large as they are. I find the iPhone is already big enough, if anything I wouldn't mind seeing the an iPhone mini or something similar in size to the HTC Aria. Real 4g would be amazing though!


All of the android phones look cheap? When is the last time you actually touched one?
And you want a smaller screen?

All i can say is wow!

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Thanks for the tips....I'll try those out. Still have the Note, just working to get the software like I want it and get comfortable with using it before I have it re-activated. Have about 27 days left to see if I can make it work before my return window runs out.


I did the same thing. Tried it for 30 days....hooked. Once you get it set up the way you want it you will love it.
Android takes a bit to learn but it is much more customizable than IOS. Not knocking my old sold IP4, but myself and my 2 son's all switched and none of us are returning the note.
Our home has iMac's, iPad's, Apple tv2's, and a Macbook Pro, so we are all definitely Apple fans, but we feel Apple needs to listen to the public a bit more and make a larger screen phone, or maybe bring out more than the 1 version they release each year. One size doesn't satisfy all.
Give me an iPhone the size of my Note, and i probably wouldn't even have looked at anything else.

And for those who say all Android devices feel cheap.....go actually put your hands on some of the more expensive versions. They surely do not feel any less "premium" than the current IP4.

cynics
Mar 8, 2012, 09:35 AM
Come to Phoenix and I'll be happy to prove you wrong. :)
Verizon has mediocre LTE coverage compared to AT&T in AZ.

National footprint is meaningless to me.

I'm not disagreeing that you may be in an area with better AT&T LTE but he did say larger foot print.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/03/07/ipad-att-4g-lte-vs-verizon-4g-lte/

It's barely comparable. I need data when I'm away from my home not where I already have wifi and know where all the free hotspots are.

I know this favors the east coast which is where I live but recently I was able to drive from Philly to Orlando and stay in LTE nearly the entire time. Needless to say I was impressed.

rjohnstone
Mar 8, 2012, 10:27 AM
I'm not disagreeing that you may be in an area with better AT&T LTE but he did say larger foot print.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/03/07/ipad-att-4g-lte-vs-verizon-4g-lte/

It's barely comparable. I need data when I'm away from my home not where I already have wifi and know where all the free hotspots are.

I know this favors the east coast which is where I live but recently I was able to drive from Philly to Orlando and stay in LTE nearly the entire time. Needless to say I was impressed.
His "larger footprint" comment is irrelevant.
My comment was that AT&T's LTE network was better thought out, not bigger.
I can tell you for a fact than Verizon's LTE coverage in Phoenix is spotty.
AT&T actually put up a lot of new towers and piggy backed onto some of T-Mobile's towers when they deployed LTE in Phx.
A good friend of mine is a tower manager for T-Mobile here in AZ.
He knows pretty much everyone in the business here and gets a lot of good info.

Did a nice long distance speed test a few weeks ago to see what AT&T's LTE network can do.
Not too shabby.
http://www.speedtest.net/android/137989474.png

Here's my average results.

Motliest Crue
Mar 8, 2012, 10:41 AM
I know in the end the iPhone for me is the better choice, but at times I see phones from Samsung like the Galaxy SII, and I sort of want one just to mess around with. Also it has LTE so yeah.

What about you guys?

I tried the HTC Inspire when my 3GS broke - after a month I went back to my 3gs. The huge size, poor build quality, and poor battery life were too much!

cynics
Mar 8, 2012, 10:46 AM
His "larger footprint" comment is irrelevant.
My comment was that AT&T's LTE network was better thought out, not bigger.
I can tell you for a fact than Verizon's LTE coverage in Phoenix is spotty.
AT&T actually put up a lot of new towers and piggy backed onto some of T-Mobile's towers when they deployed LTE in Phx.
A good friend of mine is a tower manager for T-Mobile here in AZ.
He knows pretty much everyone in the business here and gets a lot of good info.

Did a nice long distance speed test a few weeks ago to see what AT&T's LTE network can do.
Not too shabby.
Image (http://www.speedtest.net/android/137989474.png)

Here's my average results.

That's pretty good test. I see the same. It all really depends on the area though obviously. The reason I switched from AT&T is because they have poor service in my area (northern md). By that I mean no service for even voice most the time. Being a contractor you'd often see me standing on my tailgate trying to elevate my location. So I was extremely impressed to not only have amazing reception.

http://img.tapatalk.com/aefc7a8e-e1cb-8215.jpg

But be in there premium (LTE) network. I'd switch back if I moved to your area and it was that bad.

BiggAW
Mar 8, 2012, 10:46 AM
His "larger footprint" comment is irrelevant.
My comment was that AT&T's LTE network was better thought out, not bigger.
I can tell you for a fact than Verizon's LTE coverage in Phoenix is spotty.

What about the CDMA/EVDO coverage? Not all Verizon towers are equipped with LTE yet. We have one here that isn't, half a mile away from one that is, so in certain buildings, the LTE drops out. They will eventually do every tower.

aross99
Mar 8, 2012, 10:47 AM
No.

People who have a preference, seem to feel pretty strongly one way or the other.

I don't see many people to are in the middle, or who switch.

rjohnstone
Mar 8, 2012, 11:05 AM
What about the CDMA/EVDO coverage? Not all Verizon towers are equipped with LTE yet. We have one here that isn't, half a mile away from one that is, so in certain buildings, the LTE drops out. They will eventually do every tower.
It's better, but still spotty.
I'm not saying AT&T is flawless... they have areas with coverage issues as well. Just not as many as Verizon.
Our company phones used to all be on Verizon. Our corp HQ is in NYC, so they originally made us all use VZW since that's what HQ used.
A lot of us here in Phoenix were constantly losing or missing calls.
I couldn't make or receive a call in my house at all.
After a lot of complaining, our purchasing dept signed a contract with AT&T so we would have a choice.
Pretty much everyone here (4,000+ employees) use AT&T now for our work phones.

Lindenhurst
Mar 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
No.

People who have a preference, seem to feel pretty strongly one way or the other.

I don't see many people to are in the middle, or who switch.

Most that switch go onto the Android forums to get some help making the transition. Plenty of ex iPhone switchers there who no longer feel the need to be here.

Plenty of ex android switchers here as well.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 02:02 PM
I was in cellular sales from TDMA until 3g (stopped about two years ago). I know that isn't necessarily recent experience but I can honestly say that I have really spent some time with mobile phones. Even though I no longer earn a living that way I still find myself stopping into wireless stores at least every month or two just to check out what's new on top of reading about new models. If it helps I felt the 3g/3gs felt cheap also, but at least the weight was there. I really enjoyed the original iPhone honestly. When they came out with the 4 I was pretty happy again. I've never liked plastic. I will say the droid razr was a nice looking/feeling device (large screen unfortunately) but in the area I'm at Verizon has yet to build out 4G LTE and I'm not willing to give up simultaneous voice and data. I'm all for smaller smartphones, the iPhone is big enough. I pray that it doesn't get any larger. I just find that the iPhone's display is more than large enough for me and my pockets. I think some of the android phones that have come out are ridiculously large. But to each their own :)


All of the android phones look cheap? When is the last time you actually touched one?
And you want a smaller screen?

All i can say is wow!

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I did the same thing. Tried it for 30 days....hooked. Once you get it set up the way you want it you will love it.
Android takes a bit to learn but it is much more customizable than IOS. Not knocking my old sold IP4, but myself and my 2 son's all switched and none of us are returning the note.
Our home has iMac's, iPad's, Apple tv2's, and a Macbook Pro, so we are all definitely Apple fans, but we feel Apple needs to listen to the public a bit more and make a larger screen phone, or maybe bring out more than the 1 version they release each year. One size doesn't satisfy all.
Give me an iPhone the size of my Note, and i probably wouldn't even have looked at anything else.

And for those who say all Android devices feel cheap.....go actually put your hands on some of the more expensive versions. They surely do not feel any less "premium" than the current IP4.

OneMike
Mar 8, 2012, 02:06 PM
I know in the end the iPhone for me is the better choice, but at times I see phones from Samsung like the Galaxy SII, and I sort of want one just to mess around with. Also it has LTE so yeah.

What about you guys?

NOPE

Had Samsung Galaxy SII, took back next day.

The issue was not the phone as much as it was me having so many things tied to mac services.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 02:25 PM
That is an issue for me too... It would be a hard switch.

NOPE

Had Samsung Galaxy SII, took back next day.

The issue was not the phone as much as it was me having so many things tied to mac services.

Derpage
Mar 8, 2012, 02:26 PM
I make IOS apps for a living and use an Android phone. Call me conflicted. I keep getting close to buying Apple stuff (was trying to buy a mac pro, but they've given up on 'em.)
I literally can't use an iphone due to my massive hands. I've tried many times and it just doesn't work. If you have any questions from an android user, let me know!
I run a rooted evo3d @ 1.7ghz w/ 65 Gb of memory, ask me anything!
I won't bite.

Invincibilizer
Mar 8, 2012, 03:33 PM
No.

People who have a preference, seem to feel pretty strongly one way or the other.

I don't see many people to are in the middle, or who switch.

I am actually in the process of a switch. iOS is satisfactory but theres not much under its original interface. ICS on the other hand is generating buzz and by the youtube videos, it is a smooth and aesthetically pleasing OS that I want to try out.

SurferMan
Mar 8, 2012, 04:20 PM
What about the CDMA/EVDO coverage? Not all Verizon towers are equipped with LTE yet. We have one here that isn't, half a mile away from one that is, so in certain buildings, the LTE drops out. They will eventually do every tower.I know down here in FL, Verizon has LTE service almost everywhere. Problem is even if your in a good area it's still spotty as hell, people have issues of being connected then dropped signal then back and forth sometimes etc. And even speeds are all over, 1 second you can be at 30+ and the next slower then hspa+ lol. I'd take at&t's stable hspa+ speeds any day. LTE is great when not spotty and if caught at the right times, but you don't get those speeds 24/7. At least not anywhere I've been in FL (live in South FL). But in my use of Verizon LTE and friends it's rarely ever over 10-15 down.

I love the speeds of LTE when it's working 100%, but until they make it stable and less of a draw on battery, I'm perfectly fine with hspa+ speeds which I can get up to 7-9 down and lately seems to hover around 3-5 on average which is still more than enough on a mobile device.

ChubZ
Mar 8, 2012, 06:25 PM
Verizon's roll out rate of their LTE network is faster than ATT, not counting verizon's already 1 year head start. Im talking tower and cell site locations that are often shared by all carriers. I see towers with Verizon's LTE already installed with ATT LTE equipment on site and not even installed. Not to mention Verizon has had a ton less hiccups than ATT wireless, when planning and implementing LTE. I wont even get into telling you guys about how Sprint wants to half ass their LTE setup, thank Ericsson for that.

jackhdev
Mar 8, 2012, 07:43 PM
I know in the end the iPhone for me is the better choice, but at times I see phones from Samsung like the Galaxy SII, and I sort of want one just to mess around with. Also it has LTE so yeah.

What about you guys?

Besides the different features Android phones offer, I'm getting a little nervous that everything I have is Apple based and I am a pro-user. If Apple discontinues more of its pro products, especially Mac OS X Server, then I am screwed. I need to learn more about alternatives, such as Windows and Android. The only problem is that I will be miserable using these products.

It's also unfortunate because all of the Mac skills I have (besides programming for iOS of course!), especially in IT are useless "money-wise". No company in enterprise deployed Macs, and they probably won't now with the shape Lion Server is in.

Sorry about going on. In short, yes. I think it's healthy and later will be essential that I get out of the Apple ecosystem with Macs. Not iOS. I'm a student in high school, so I'm OK for now. It's just that I don't want to!

lordofthereef
Mar 8, 2012, 07:52 PM
NOPE

Had Samsung Galaxy SII, took back next day.

The issue was not the phone as much as it was me having so many things tied to mac services.

By definition, wouldn't that mean that you did get that want if you had an SGSII?

crc4
Mar 8, 2012, 08:12 PM
By definition, wouldn't that mean that you did get that want if you had an SGSII?


what :confused:

lordofthereef
Mar 8, 2012, 08:14 PM
what :confused:

The original question was "Do you ever get a small want for android..." His response was "NOPE..." and named an Android device he used. So, doesn't that mean he did get that small want?

crc4
Mar 8, 2012, 08:24 PM
The original question was "Do you ever get a small want for android..." His response was "NOPE..." and named an Android device he used. So doesn;t that mean he did get that small want?


Dude, will you please actually READ the sentance you typed out, then edit it, (so it makes sense)

read this sentence "wouldn't that mean that you did get that want if you had an SGSII"
(sounds like you tossed some random words together, then called it a sentance)?

lordofthereef
Mar 8, 2012, 08:39 PM
Dude, will you please actually READ the sentance you typed out, then edit it, (so it makes sense)

read this sentence "wouldn't that mean that you did get that want if you had an SGSII"
(sounds like you tossed some random words together, then called it a sentance)?

I left out a comma, but otherwise it still is written grammatically correctly. Hint: want is being used as a noun. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/want)

crc4
Mar 8, 2012, 08:52 PM
I left out a comma, but otherwise it still is written grammatically correctly. Hint: want is being used as a noun. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/want)


Don't you like sports?

cynics
Mar 8, 2012, 09:08 PM
I am actually in the process of a switch. iOS is satisfactory but theres not much under its original interface. ICS on the other hand is generating buzz and by the youtube videos, it is a smooth and aesthetically pleasing OS that I want to try out.

As a user of both, Ics is very smooth but iOS is just a bit smoother. If that is your ONLY concern I think you'll be mildly disappointed.

Android works differently though. It doesn't prioritize it's smoothness over the task being performed like iOS. I think iOS is a bit more form over function. When scrolling in iOS it's almost like the screen is glued to your finger whereas ICS has this fraction of a second delay you can only see if you are the person using it.

I'd highly recommend just playing with the nexus in the store so you can feel its smoothness. The difference is nothing that bothers me however like I said if it's your only concern you might not like it.

cynics
Mar 8, 2012, 09:13 PM
Dude, will you please actually READ the sentance you typed out, then edit it, (so it makes sense)

read this sentence "wouldn't that mean that you did get that want if you had an SGSII"
(sounds like you tossed some random words together, then called it a sentance)?

This make complete sense to me. He got the "want" for an android device out of his system by getting an Android device.

You really couldn't comprehend that?

lordofthereef
Mar 9, 2012, 10:40 AM
Don't you like sports?

I like running and biking. That's as far as I go in the sorting world. Relevance? :confused:

EazyWeazy3
Mar 9, 2012, 10:58 AM
I got that "want" last year. Had every model of iphone and wanted something different. I loved the iphone. It was great. But once I got my international GS II...boy did I fall out of love with the iphone quick.

Android isn't for everyone. The same way iphone and ios isn't for everyone.

After having my S II and now the Note, I am truly spoiled by the screens. They are amazing. When I hold my sister's iphone I literally laugh at the size of it. It is tiny. Obviously 5.3 is big, but it's not as huge as people make it out to be. It is perfect and fits in every single pair of shorts, sweats, jeans that I own without any problems. I do agree that 4.3-4.5 is perfect for a screen size.

I don't know what I'm saying really. I guess I had the want and made the switch and absolutely loved my S II and now my Note.

It would take a few things for me to go back to iphone. LTE, 4.5 inch screen, and a rehaul of the os. MicroSD would be ideal also. Obviously the rehaul of the os and MicroSD will never happen, but I see no reason why apple shouldn't have a 4 inch screen or bigger. LTE is a must.



-- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

ugahairydawgs
Mar 9, 2012, 11:18 AM
I got that "want" last year. Had every model of iphone and wanted something different. I loved the iphone. It was great. But once I got my international GS II...boy did I fall out of love with the iphone quick.

Android isn't for everyone. The same way iphone and ios isn't for everyone.

After having my S II and now the Note, I am truly spoiled by the screens. They are amazing. When I hold my sister's iphone I literally laugh at the size of it. It is tiny. Obviously 5.3 is big, but it's not as huge as people make it out to be. It is perfect and fits in every single pair of shorts, sweats, jeans that I own without any problems. I do agree that 4.3-4.5 is perfect for a screen size.

I don't know what I'm saying really. I guess I had the want and made the switch and absolutely loved my S II and now my Note.

It would take a few things for me to go back to iphone. LTE, 4.5 inch screen, and a rehaul of the os. MicroSD would be ideal also. Obviously the rehaul of the os and MicroSD will never happen, but I see no reason why apple shouldn't have a 4 inch screen or bigger. LTE is a must.



-- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

LTE will happen for sure, it's just whether it will happen this year that is the question. The Note is the first LTE phone that really has great battery life and that is because, since its size permits it, the battery in the device is massive. People can argue speed vs battery all day long, but I think it is pretty obvious that Apple isn't going to put LTE on the iPhone if it will only get 6-8 hours or so of life on moderate use like a lot of the smaller Android phones get.

rjohnstone
Mar 9, 2012, 12:19 PM
LTE will happen for sure, it's just whether it will happen this year that is the question. The Note is the first LTE phone that really has great battery life and that is because, since its size permits it, the battery in the device is massive. People can argue speed vs battery all day long, but I think it is pretty obvious that Apple isn't going to put LTE on the iPhone if it will only get 6-8 hours or so of life on moderate use like a lot of the smaller Android phones get.
The first??? Not exactly.

The Skyrocket gets the same talk/standby time as the Note.

Both will last an entire day, if not a longer, under normal use before needing a recharge.

They use the same GPU/CPU Radio combination.
The real difference is the screen size and the Wacom digitizer for the S-pen. The Note's slightly larger battery is needed for the extra screen real estate and Wacom components.

Smug Boy
Mar 9, 2012, 01:13 PM
Before I got my iPhone, I wanted an Android phone, got it, took it back within 30 days and eventually ended up with an iPhone 4S.

Dmunjal
Mar 9, 2012, 01:22 PM
Don't forget the Razr MAXX with its huge battery. I think it gets better battery life on LTE than either the SkyRocker or the Note. Still pretty thin, too.

BiggAW
Mar 10, 2012, 12:05 PM
I know down here in FL, Verizon has LTE service almost everywhere. Problem is even if your in a good area it's still spotty as hell, people have issues of being connected then dropped signal then back and forth sometimes etc. And even speeds are all over, 1 second you can be at 30+ and the next slower then hspa+ lol. I'd take at&t's stable hspa+ speeds any day. LTE is great when not spotty and if caught at the right times, but you don't get those speeds 24/7. At least not anywhere I've been in FL (live in South FL). But in my use of Verizon LTE and friends it's rarely ever over 10-15 down.

I love the speeds of LTE when it's working 100%, but until they make it stable and less of a draw on battery, I'm perfectly fine with hspa+ speeds which I can get up to 7-9 down and lately seems to hover around 3-5 on average which is still more than enough on a mobile device.

Sounds like you're in an area where AT&T owns both sides of CLR, so Verizon is stuck on PCS, and they don't have LTE on all their towers yet, so both are spotty.

sk1wbw
Mar 10, 2012, 04:11 PM
The one phone running Android that I would consider would be the newest Galaxy S3. I'm actually loving the sound of that ceramic casing. That sounds so much nicer than the typical plastic **** that Samsung makes.