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bungiefan89
Feb 21, 2012, 01:32 AM
Seriously, Lion is LESS than a year old! And already they're talking about the next OS? Was there something wrong with Lion? Did apple just in a snap-decision decide to suddenly release a new operating system every 12 months? Or... is this intended to compete with Windows 8?

Alright, bear with me here for a moment and let me explain my contrived logic here. As some of you may know, a game console known as Sony's PlayStation 2 was released over a decade ago, and it competed against the Nintendo Gamecube and the newest company in the gaming industry: Microsoft and their Xbox game console.

Over the years, the three game consoles started to show their age and gamers wanted better graphics and stuff. So a new line of consoles was scheduled to come out. Nobody knew what Nintendo was planning (they eventually made the Wii, which of course turned out to be a huge hit when it first came out) but everybody pretty much assumed Sony's next console would be called the PlayStation 3. Those assumptions proved to be right.

But what about Microsoft's Xbox? It was the first console of its brand, and with such an uninspiring name, a lot of people assumed Microsoft's next console would be called the Xbox 2. Of course, this would put Microsoft in a tricky spot: they'd have to compete against the PlayStation 3 with an Xbox 2. Which game console do you think your typical know-nothing-about-gaming mother is going to buy little Jimmy for Christmas? Of COURSE she's going to buy the PlayStation 3 and not the Xbox 2... IT HAS A BIGGER NUMBER, SO THAT MUST MEAN IT'S BETTER/NEWER/MORE DESIRED BY MY CHILD!

This all may sound very silly at this point, (caps lock notwithstanding) but understand that I'm talking about a company's perceptions of what consumer perceptions will be. Any slip-up in this situation could mean severe financial losses later on when a product is unveiled, so the presentation and design must be scrutinized.

So, Microsoft did not release a console named the Xbox 2. They released a console named the Xbox 360. Now, as an owner of the game console in question, I can testify there is absolutely nothing circular about the console's design or internal mechanics. 360 is a very arbitrary way to describe the very rectangular, if slightly curvy game console.

But how was this presented? "Exbox three-sixty!" all the commercials said. NOT "Exbox three hundred and sixty", just "Exbox three-sixty" which was obviously intended to compete against the "Play station three".

Bringing us back to the topic at hand here, I think the same logic is being applied by Apple to their operating system. They don't want to be caught in the awkward situation of selling an OS with seven in the name during the same year their competitor is selling an eight!

And that, I believe, is one of the main reasons why Apple is pushing this new OS so soon after the release of Lion. Anybody else share this sentiment? Does this make any sense at all? :rolleyes:



MonkeyBrainz
Feb 21, 2012, 01:42 AM
I think numbers have absolutely nothing to do with anything. This integration with iOS has been happening for some time now.

laudern
Feb 21, 2012, 01:45 AM
I hope you do realise the X in OS X stands for 10

Night Spring
Feb 21, 2012, 02:32 AM
I don't think your typical consumer even knows that Lion is 10.7. All the publicity materials just call it "Lion."

MarcBook
Feb 21, 2012, 03:24 AM
I see your point, but I think it has more to do with Apple seeing the profitability in selling a digitally-distributed incremental upgrade every year via an already-proven platform (the App Store).

It also allows the system to evolve at a seemingly faster rate, as perceived by the general public.

tom vilsack
Feb 21, 2012, 04:32 AM
yes and no

-yes because windows 8 is gonna be a hot product for microsoft

-no because a upgrade for lion is very much needed

eawmp1
Feb 21, 2012, 04:48 AM
OP, you seem to have too much time on your hands.
Apple's naming/numbering system has nothing to do with Microsoft's.
The features announced in Mountain Lion are a natural progression in the merging of iOS and MacOS in what is Apple's vision of the "post-PC" era.


Now go back to your WoW.

Bending Pixels
Feb 21, 2012, 04:54 AM
-yes because windows 8 is gonna be a hot product for microsoft

Have you seen Win8's "Metro" interface? It's based on the highly successful ( :p ) Windows Phone 7.5 interface (and we know how successful Windows Phone has been). A number of industry insiders have already pointed out the awkwardness of the interface, and several corporate surveys show that the enterprise won't be migrating to Win8 or Win8 server.

bungiefan89
Feb 21, 2012, 01:05 PM
OP, you seem to have too much time on your hands. true.
Apple's naming/numbering system has nothing to do with Microsoft's.
I know that, but I'm saying the potential threat of competition from another company and the percieved stupidity of certain consumers may be spurring the quick deployment of this OS.
The features announced in Mountain Lion are a natural progression in the merging of iOS and MacOS in what is Apple's vision of the "post-PC" era. meh.
Now go back to your WoW.
I am proud to have never played that silly game.

Partron22
Feb 21, 2012, 01:44 PM
the X in OS X stands for 10Wait, wait, you're saying Mutants got nothing to do with it???!

:(

Blipp
Feb 21, 2012, 01:56 PM
Download the Windows 8 preview and see for yourself if it's a threat. Windows 8 is kind of a joke. I fully expect Windows 7 to be the next XP and enjoy a full 10 years of support in the enterprise while everyone overlooks 8 in hopes that 9 will fix everything.

Maybe people will love the whole "Metro" thing and the one OS across all platforms but I just can't see Windows 8 being something that would cause Apple to change their roadmap.

Yamcha
Feb 21, 2012, 02:17 PM
Not 100% If OS 10.8 Lion is meant to compete with Windows 8, but It's plausible since the Windows Consumer Preview is due end of this month..

There seems to be a decent amount of people who aren't fond of the new Windows Metro UI, I personally like the User Interface, that being said I don't think it provides the best User Experience for Desktop or Laptop though..

But I do think that the Metro UI is one of the better experiences on the mobile platform.. They did a pretty good job in my opinion..

I think one of the really great things about Windows 8 is the performance, there seems to be a noticeable improvement in performance.. And that might be enough for me to upgrade my BootCamp Partition to Windows 8..

*LTD*
Feb 21, 2012, 04:05 PM
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/02/16/tim-cook-i-dont-really-think-anything-microsoft-does-puts-pressure-on-apple/

Perhaps the most revealing part of the interview is Cook’s response when pushed on whether the company has adapted its strategy in response to pressure from other software companies and device makers, most notably Microsoft:

“I don’t really think anything Microsoft does puts pressure on Apple.”

Cook relayed the same message as his predecessor, Apple builds the best quality products it can and remains “self-induced.”

Truth. And it's a truth that's very hard to miss these days.

We're not dealing with the Microsoft of 10-15 years ago. Those days are over for them, unfortunately.

Maverick513
Feb 21, 2012, 07:33 PM
Your opinion is interesting. But the number really does that matter? What about Wii? It is II and 2. And it had better sales.

nostylluan
Feb 21, 2012, 09:24 PM
xbox is considered 360 because of the middle thing on the controller, otherwise it's xbox 2.

playstation 3 is named 3 because sony can't figure out a better name

OS X is Operating System 10...

windows 8 is not even OS 8, its more like OS 10-11 if you count them all

apple markets osx 8 as mountain lion, most people will only hear mountain lion.

this thread is fail, its over thinking.

why would a company care about numbers? mac users don't care about windows... vice versa, i don't care if MS releases windows 11 tomorrow, i still won't buy it. anything microsoft sucks according to me, except xbox live arcade

i rather compete against android than windows.

jameslmoser
Feb 21, 2012, 09:31 PM
Seriously, Lion is LESS than a year old! And already they're talking about the next OS? Was there something wrong with Lion?

Don't get me started. It appears that Mountain Lion will suck less then Lion already, but I am still hopeful there are more changes coming. Specifically with multimonitor support, and for the love of god OPTIONS!

pmz
Feb 21, 2012, 09:41 PM
Uh, have you even looked at WHAT MOUNTAIN LION INCLUDES?

Logic has failed you, horribly.

1. Lion is released to bring iOS features to the Mac.

2. iOS 5 is released with lots of new iOS features.

3. Mountain Lion is (will be) released to bring iOS 5 features to the Mac.

This couldn't be any simpler, or make any more sense.

Apple has never, ever, driven Mac OS to compete with Windows. Not ever. That's like saying Mercedes does whatever it can to compete with Kia. No, it doesn't even enter their minds. They just make a better vehicle, and charge for it.

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Don't get me started. It appears that Mountain Lion will suck less then Lion already, but I am still hopeful there are more changes coming. Specifically with multimonitor support, and for the love of god OPTIONS!

Go get a copy of Windows. Seriously. You have unlimited options to screw up your machine to your heart's content.

jameslmoser
Feb 21, 2012, 10:31 PM
Uh, have you even looked at WHAT MOUNTAIN LION INCLUDES?

Logic has failed you, horribly.

1. Lion is released to bring iOS features to the Mac.

2. iOS 5 is released with lots of new iOS features.

3. Mountain Lion is (will be) released to bring iOS 5 features to the Mac.

This couldn't be any simpler, or make any more sense.

Apple has never, ever, driven Mac OS to compete with Windows. Not ever. That's like saying Mercedes does whatever it can to compete with Kia. No, it doesn't even enter their minds. They just make a better vehicle, and charge for it.

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Go get a copy of Windows. Seriously. You have unlimited options to screw up your machine to your heart's content.

I have more options in Snow Leopard than I did in Lion, and my machine is running perfectly thank you very much. :cool:

Most of the "features" in Mountain Lion were already there, they just broke them out of other apps and made them look like the iOS counter parts... like renaming Address Book to Contacts and iCal to Calendar are real big features :rolleyes:

Mountain Lion is damage control because Lion sucks and everyone knows it.

bungiefan89
Feb 21, 2012, 11:44 PM
Download the Windows 8 preview and see for yourself if it's a threat. Windows 8 is kind of a joke. I fully expect Windows 7 to be the next XP and enjoy a full 10 years of support in the enterprise while everyone overlooks 8 in hopes that 9 will fix everything.

Maybe people will love the whole "Metro" thing and the one OS across all platforms but I just can't see Windows 8 being something that would cause Apple to change their roadmap. I couldn't agree more. From what little I've seen of Windows 8 it looks like a big fat joke, or just the next Vista. And I'm STILL quite pissed that I have to use this lame Metro UI on my Xbox... it REALLY doesn't work with a controller.

Yes, I don't think Windows 8 is a threat in any way. I just think some people at Apple might think some consumers are dumb enough to turn Windows 8 in to a threat.

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Your opinion is interesting. But the number really does that matter? What about Wii? It is II and 2. And it had better sales.It's not the "Double-you two", it's pronounced "we".

And the Wii was marketed from the very beginning as something completely different. From the other two consoles. Hell, the codename for the system was "Revolution". Once they revealed the controller design, they got HUGE media attention over the motion-sensing technology. The Wii hugely stood out from the crowd and made huge sales when it first came out. Very different story than the 360 or PS3.

chrono1081
Feb 22, 2012, 12:01 AM
I have more options in Snow Leopard than I did in Lion, and my machine is running perfectly thank you very much. :cool:

Most of the "features" in Mountain Lion were already there, they just broke them out of other apps and made them look like the iOS counter parts... like renaming Address Book to Contacts and iCal to Calendar are real big features :rolleyes:

Mountain Lion is damage control because Lion sucks and everyone knows it.

Funny that I don't know it and I know for a fact I use my computer harder than almost anyone on this board.

Lion works fine, its usually the user thats the issue. (Not implying you, I'm just saying in general).

MattInOz
Feb 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
I think the yearly release is just Apple looking at the future of the OS now that it's reasonably mature and realizing that most project are either big expansive multi-year overhauls (like file systems, Resolution Independence or break up the Kernel so they can replace the Mach) that they need to drip feed API changes out to developers so they'll be ready. Or quick 3-6month stuff.

They could just release the quick stuff piecemeal as they go but they want it to drive adoption of the low level stuff.

jameslmoser
Feb 22, 2012, 12:37 AM
Funny that I don't know it and I know for a fact I use my computer harder than almost anyone on this board.

Lion works fine, its usually the user thats the issue. (Not implying you, I'm just saying in general).

Right.. beach ball system freezes and kernel panics on a brand new imac with nothing installed but Lion and apple software is definitely a user issue... it went away when installing Windows 7 and eventually Snow Leopard.

pmz
Feb 22, 2012, 08:46 AM
Right.. beach ball system freezes and kernel panics on a brand new imac with nothing installed but Lion and apple software is definitely a user issue... it went away when installing Windows 7 and eventually Snow Leopard.

Yes clearly they are a user a issue, because that's not supposed to happen, and very rarely ever does. Did you ever consider you received a corrupt HDD? More than likely you have a corrupt HDD right now and don't know it. Seen it a million times. But then again, I have experience with technology. From your whiny childish standpoint, I can see that you don't.

Only the most immature person could ever conclude that their unfortunate luck with an OS means that OS is terrible, and faulty.

throAU
Feb 22, 2012, 08:51 AM
It's because (and I say this as a Lion user/fan) - Lion is a bit of a dog, performance wise.

the features I love. the performance compered to snow leopard, not so great. but i have fast hardware so i tolerate it.


I think Lion is going to be remembered as the OS X Vista edition, and Mountain Lion is going to be the equivalent of 7.

I.e., in Vista (10.7), there was a lot of new tech added under the covers that needed to be done, whereas in 7 (10.8) its more about refinement and performance improvement....

KPOM
Feb 22, 2012, 08:55 AM
Download the Windows 8 preview and see for yourself if it's a threat. Windows 8 is kind of a joke. I fully expect Windows 7 to be the next XP and enjoy a full 10 years of support in the enterprise while everyone overlooks 8 in hopes that 9 will fix everything.


I agree that Windows 7 has all the makings of being the "next XP." It is stable, has a familiar interface, and is compatible with just about everything. I don't think Windows 8 is a complete "joke," though. It may emerge as a viable tablet OS, particularly as Android tablets (apart from the Kindle Fire) continue to struggle to gain traction.

I've used the Windows 8 Developer Preview (albeit in a less-than-ideal virtual setup in Parallels), and I'm not sure I see the appeal of the Metro UI on the desktop. I think Apple has struck a better balance of being consistent where it makes sense, and being different where it makes sense.

Doombringer
Feb 22, 2012, 09:11 AM
Win 8 will be another step in the right direction. And really, these steps began with Vista... believe it or not. Vista started a shift away from the XP/95/98/NT way of thinking iand 7 made a bigger push. 8 is going farther, yet I think the Metro interface will turn a lot of people off.

Then again, people balked at the Windows 7 taskbar/window functionality when it first debuted. Now people love the OS. ;)

MLion will be an incremental step up from Lion, as well. And one I welcome. I hope Lion's lackluster performance is addressed; I have a brand new i7 Mini and with Lion I notice a slight stutter now and again. Nothing world-ending, though. I'm *really* looking forward to more iCloud functionality.

Dr McKay
Feb 22, 2012, 09:23 AM
I don't think it's a response to Windows 8, as much as people will defend OS X Lion, it got very bad press, often being hailed as "Apples Vista". Lion will probably never be able to shake that image, Vista nowadays is a very stable and reliable OS thanks to its service packs, but it still has a very bad image. Releasing Mountain Lion gives OS X a chance to invent a new image for the OS.

Besides, didn't OS X used to be on a yearly release schedule?

Jagardn
Feb 22, 2012, 10:18 AM
I don't think it's a response to Windows 8, as much as people will defend OS X Lion, it got very bad press, often being hailed as "Apples Vista". Lion will probably never be able to shake that image, Vista nowadays is a very stable and reliable OS thanks to its service packs, but it still has a very bad image. Releasing Mountain Lion gives OS X a chance to invent a new image for the OS.

Besides, didn't OS X used to be on a yearly release schedule?

Lion may have put a bad taste in the mouths of people on forums and long time Mac users, but the general public doesn't know anything about it. MS has a much larger customer base, so Vista being a turd was known by most everyone.

Dr McKay
Feb 22, 2012, 11:40 AM
Lion may have put a bad taste in the mouths of people on forums and long time Mac users, but the general public doesn't know anything about it. MS has a much larger customer base, so Vista being a turd was known by most everyone.

Apple may have a smaller customer base, but most of Microsofts marketshare comes from businesses and governments.

Also Apple is in the public eye much more. And it's the general public who turn to their more tech savvy friends who frequent forums like this, for advice about computers. My parents, neighbours and not as tech savvy friends base most of their tech opinions on mine, because I've told them how I feel, and they trust my judgement.

Wicked1
Feb 22, 2012, 12:44 PM
Seriously, Lion is LESS than a year old! And already they're talking about the next OS? Was there something wrong with Lion? Did apple just in a snap-decision decide to suddenly release a new operating system every 12 months? Or... is this intended to compete with Windows 8?

Alright, bear with me here for a moment and let me explain my contrived logic here. As some of you may know, a game console known as Sony's PlayStation 2 was released over a decade ago, and it competed against the Nintendo Gamecube and the newest company in the gaming industry: Microsoft and their Xbox game console.

Over the years, the three game consoles started to show their age and gamers wanted better graphics and stuff. So a new line of consoles was scheduled to come out. Nobody knew what Nintendo was planning (they eventually made the Wii, which of course turned out to be a huge hit when it first came out) but everybody pretty much assumed Sony's next console would be called the PlayStation 3. Those assumptions proved to be right.

But what about Microsoft's Xbox? It was the first console of its brand, and with such an uninspiring name, a lot of people assumed Microsoft's next console would be called the Xbox 2. Of course, this would put Microsoft in a tricky spot: they'd have to compete against the PlayStation 3 with an Xbox 2. Which game console do you think your typical know-nothing-about-gaming mother is going to buy little Jimmy for Christmas? Of COURSE she's going to buy the PlayStation 3 and not the Xbox 2... IT HAS A BIGGER NUMBER, SO THAT MUST MEAN IT'S BETTER/NEWER/MORE DESIRED BY MY CHILD!

This all may sound very silly at this point, (caps lock notwithstanding) but understand that I'm talking about a company's perceptions of what consumer perceptions will be. Any slip-up in this situation could mean severe financial losses later on when a product is unveiled, so the presentation and design must be scrutinized.

So, Microsoft did not release a console named the Xbox 2. They released a console named the Xbox 360. Now, as an owner of the game console in question, I can testify there is absolutely nothing circular about the console's design or internal mechanics. 360 is a very arbitrary way to describe the very rectangular, if slightly curvy game console.

But how was this presented? "Exbox three-sixty!" all the commercials said. NOT "Exbox three hundred and sixty", just "Exbox three-sixty" which was obviously intended to compete against the "Play station three".

Bringing us back to the topic at hand here, I think the same logic is being applied by Apple to their operating system. They don't want to be caught in the awkward situation of selling an OS with seven in the name during the same year their competitor is selling an eight!

And that, I believe, is one of the main reasons why Apple is pushing this new OS so soon after the release of Lion. Anybody else share this sentiment? Does this make any sense at all? :rolleyes:


Ha Mountain Lion, I am still on Leopard and have no plans on moving my uMB, however my 2011 Mini is Lion, still getting used to the quirks and missing components, and there is no way I will go to Mountain Lion, even if the new iOS which I am calling (Mountain Lion Cub) requires ML.

I am still mif'd about all the things they removed from Lion that worked fine in SL, and now they want to make a requirement that only apps sold in the app store will work with ML, unless you deselect the check box, then according tho Apple this puts you at risk? Huh? Really?

They should have just improved on SL and please someone develop a port to use iCloud in SL.

brendu
Feb 22, 2012, 04:34 PM
Mountain Lion is typical apple. Some new features, same core OS functionality. Windows 8 is a totally different story. It behaves very differently from the very well polished windows 7. I think microsoft is going in the wrong direction with it personally. Windows 8 is a great OS for tablets. For the desktop, windows 8 is a nightmare and I think very few people are going to prefer it to the clean, simple windows 7.

Like KPOM said before, windows 7 will see the 10 years of usage and support like windows XP had. I believe they are right about that. Businesses are just starting to adopt it and they are going to stick with it for awhile.

Scarrus
Feb 22, 2012, 04:38 PM
Ha Mountain Lion, I am still on Leopard and have no plans on moving my uMB, however my 2011 Mini is Lion, still getting used to the quirks and missing components, and there is no way I will go to Mountain Lion, even if the new iOS which I am calling (Mountain Lion Cub) requires ML.

I am still mif'd about all the things they removed from Lion that worked fine in SL, and now they want to make a requirement that only apps sold in the app store will work with ML, unless you deselect the check box, then according tho Apple this puts you at risk? Huh? Really?

They should have just improved on SL and please someone develop a port to use iCloud in SL.


My thoughts exactly! And why does the system have to be slower when it actually removed some feature?



Oh yeah, gimme them minus points! How dare I not share your opinion!

Jagardn
Feb 22, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oh yeah, gimme them minus points! How dare I not share your opinion!

Glad to help. :p

heisenberg123
Feb 22, 2012, 04:56 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with windows. Mountain lion will be on the app store not off a shelf where "Johnny momma know nothing" won't get confused what os is the "best".

I think this will be something we will see more often from osx with frequent new versions in the 20-30$ range

scottsjack
Feb 22, 2012, 05:17 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with windows. Mountain lion will be on the app store not off a shelf where "Johnny momma know nothing" won't get confused what os is the "best".

I think this will be something we will see more often from osx with frequent new versions in the 20-30$ range

Johnny momma know nothing might indeed be confused about what OS is the best if the Mountain Lion box was sitting next to a Snow Leopard box!

Scarrus
Feb 22, 2012, 07:04 PM
glad to help. :p



lol

nick9191
Feb 22, 2012, 07:15 PM
As mentioned, the X stands for TEN. OS 10. That beats 8.

Not only that, but most people refer to it by the cat name rather than 10.x

If Apple release OS XI the day Microsoft release Windows 10 then I may agree with your theory.

Mr. Retrofire
Feb 22, 2012, 07:27 PM
Yes clearly they are a user a issue, because that's not supposed to happen, and very rarely ever does. Did you ever consider you received a corrupt HDD? More than likely you have a corrupt HDD right now and don't know it.
Yeah, that must be the reason, why his Mac works fine under Windows 7 and Snow Leopard. It must be the HDD (built by the user, so he is responsible, of course *lol*) and not Lion. Never! This is the “well known” Not-Lion-Compatible-HDD-Issue. Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

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Only the most immature person could ever conclude that their unfortunate luck with an OS means that OS is terrible, and faulty.
This was a fresh installation, so 100 % Apples code (no third party stuff). And you defend Apple here?

jji7skyline
Feb 22, 2012, 07:57 PM
I'd say that could be true.

I was surprised as well that they released 10.8 so soon :P

Tmelon
Feb 22, 2012, 08:55 PM
I don't think Apple is trying to rush their release schedule just to line up the numbers. I think they just want to synchronize their iOS releases with their OS X releases since they're making them more similar to each other.

ajvizzgamer101
Feb 22, 2012, 09:08 PM
I think they are pushing for iOS style Operating System for all there systems and that means new Operating Systems every year until iOS and OS X merge, or so the rumor say they will merge.

Tmelon
Feb 22, 2012, 09:26 PM
I think they are pushing for iOS style Operating System for all there systems and that means new Operating Systems every year until iOS and OS X merge, or so the rumor say they will merge.

There's no way that iOS and OS X can merge without a major dumbing down of OS X or bloating iOS. A merge just isn't going to happen. I think the point of these synchronized iOS and OS X release dates is so that when Apple releases a new feature for one it will also be available for the other at the same time.

ajvizzgamer101
Feb 22, 2012, 09:48 PM
There's no way that iOS and OS X can merge without a major dumbing down of OS X or bloating iOS. A merge just isn't going to happen. I think the point of these synchronized iOS and OS X release dates is so that when Apple releases a new feature for one it will also be available for the other at the same time.

"dumbing down of OS X or bloating iOS." That's exactly what they have been doing... I'm aware it won't happen overnight.

yongren
Feb 22, 2012, 11:17 PM
I know there is a lot of new stuff, but I still can't help but wonder why this isn't 10.7.X.

Releasing a bunch of new features at once in a big update could draw more attention to them than if you had more smaller, incremental updates. In that sense, I'd say it is very likely that there was more marketing than software design involved in releasing "Mountain Lion" as such.

pdjudd
Feb 22, 2012, 11:23 PM
I know there is a lot of new stuff, but I still can't help but wonder why this isn't 10.7.X. \

Because that is not how Apple releases system updates. Updates are designed to fix bugs for the current build - they do not add programs or change the way the system operates. Heck, MS doesn’t do this sort of thing. Just because something is not visually big doesn’t mean that it isn't a big update.

KevinN206
Feb 23, 2012, 12:44 AM
Download the Windows 8 preview and see for yourself if it's a threat. Windows 8 is kind of a joke. I fully expect Windows 7 to be the next XP and enjoy a full 10 years of support in the enterprise while everyone overlooks 8 in hopes that 9 will fix everything.

Maybe people will love the whole "Metro" thing and the one OS across all platforms but I just can't see Windows 8 being something that would cause Apple to change their roadmap.
It's difficult to pass judgement on Windows 8 Developer Preview. The release was really meant for developers to learn the Metro UI and WinRT API. The Consumer Preview should be available for public consumption on Feb 29, and it has significant changes to the usability and UI. The Windows Store will also be available, and all those demo apps written by interns will not be included. Built-in apps will also be available such as Calendar, Mail, Music, etc...

You can download a copy and try it again on that date. I also suggest that you try it on a REAL computer (don't run it in a VM). I installed a copy of Windows 8 DP too on my laptop, and it was noticeably faster than Windows 7 in every ways. But I had to revert to Windows 7 because the brightness was stuck at the brightest, which doesn't work too well in a dark room. Hopefully, the CP release will have that fixed.

FYI: Windows 7 is supported until Jan 2020. Given that Win7 was released in Oct 2009, it would be about 10 years of support.

pmz
Feb 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
Yeah, that must be the reason, why his Mac works fine under Windows 7 and Snow Leopard. It must be the HDD (built by the user, so he is responsible, of course *lol*) and not Lion. Never! This is the “well known” Not-Lion-Compatible-HDD-Issue. Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

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This was a fresh installation, so 100 % Apples code (no third party stuff). And you defend Apple here?

Yea of course i do. You'd have to be an idiot to think that Apple's code (which works perfectly on every perfectly-working MACHINE), is the culprit, when you've never even considered that your HDD is faulty. As someone who has worked on hundreds of these machines, I promise you, the toshiba and hitachi HDDs are junk, and probably 1/4 of them are corrupt when they leave the factory. HDD issues can be obvious or very stealthy...but nonetheless easily recognizable, testable, and fixable. If you're still on the factory HDD, and have issues with clean install of lion on proper formatting: 1. Redownload Lion and reformat your USB key and make a new Lion installer, as these are corruptible (again.....seen it happen myself) 2. Remove the guaranteed fault HDD and replace....go from there. If you still have problems, you need to take that machine to Apple and tell them what you've done, tell them it's junk and you won't leave unless it's taken care of.

Mr. Retrofire
Feb 25, 2012, 01:35 AM
You'd have to be an idiot to think that Apple's code (which works perfectly on every perfectly-working MACHINE), is the culprit, when you've never even considered that your HDD is faulty.
No, because it is much more likely, that the software has a certain problem. Such software (OS) problems make OS updates necessary. I use Macs since 1993. I had only defective HDD in this time, and this was the IBM DTLA Deskstar, better known as "IBM Deathstar" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Deskstar#Deskstar_failures).

maflynn
Feb 25, 2012, 05:57 AM
I'd say it is very likely that there was more marketing than software design involved in releasing "Mountain Lion" as such.
I'm sure one factor in going with an .x update was marketing. By announcing ML and providing a developer preview before win8, they stole some thunder from ms.

I do think that they made enough changes to warrant a point upgrade. Also don't forget these updates, upgrades and what not are road mapped years in advance so this wasn't really something they just decided to bang out