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xStreame
Feb 29, 2012, 05:16 PM
I was planning on buying an Macbook Air for school soon, my 3 years old Vaio is falling apart and only works as a desktop attached to an external screen.

My question is how much faster will Ivy bridge be compared to the 2nd gen sandy?

I know it's not even sure if they will update the macbook air at all, but I would not like to regret buying the air at the wrong time.

I mostly use my laptop for school (office) use, occasionally play games like League of Legends or Guitar hero, but i can still do that on my 'desktop' at home (5day boarding school, weekend at home).

School for me starts after summer, means august

So whats your opinion for my case? worth waiting and wishing or getting it now?

thanks



GimmeSlack12
Feb 29, 2012, 05:25 PM
School for me starts after summer, means august

Wait until August.

ls1dreams
Feb 29, 2012, 05:31 PM
I'd wait unless you really need a laptop now. A release is due pretty soon, so you won't have to wait too long.

What you'll almost certainly get as an update:
- Faster processor
- WAY better video (anything is better than HD3000)
- Cooler - current macbooks run really hot, IMO

Things you -might- get:
- USB 3.0
- Better screen

Things you probably won't get:
- More RAM
- Bigger SSD

xStreame
Feb 29, 2012, 05:42 PM
Thanks for the answers, I guess I'll wait for now, but I doubt there will be any strong improvement in graphic performance (would come too close to the mbp)

AFAIK the stronger the cpu the better the graphics from the HD 3000.

I just want to know how much faster the Ivy brige cpu's are compared to sandy bridge.

rogan
Feb 29, 2012, 05:43 PM
Im definitely waiting, the HD4000 is something that i think will benefit in the long run, and back 2 school offers are nice, cant decline a free $100 gift card...

ls1dreams
Feb 29, 2012, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the answers, I guess I'll wait for now, but I doubt there will be any strong improvement in graphic performance (would come too close to the mbp)

AFAIK the stronger the cpu the better the graphics from the HD 3000.

I just want to know how much faster the Ivy brige cpu's are compared to sandy bridge.

Probably not much faster. I'd guess maybe +15% or so. A few benchmarks around the web seem to show the same. The main advantage of this new chipset is a 20% lower TDP - these portables badly need to run cooler. My early 2011 MBP has the fans running non-stop.

Some alleged benchmarks:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Benchmarks-Intel-Ivy-Bridge-CPU-sandy-bridge,14144.html

xStreame
Feb 29, 2012, 06:03 PM
Im definitely waiting, the HD4000 is something that i think will benefit in the long run, and back 2 school offers are nice, cant decline a free $100 gift card...

Oh i forgot about the HD4000

Yeah i think i will be waiting. Also because i most likely will have to pay for an upgrade to Mountain Lion.

I already took the school offer in consideration, but since i go to a private school in china it won't be that easy to get the discount

Neodym
Feb 29, 2012, 06:50 PM
If you buy now, you will instantly have a real mobile device again (unlike your dying VAIO) and can enjoy it for at least half a year. When the back2school offers are available, chances are that by then the MBA has been refreshed and you can already read some comparisons and reviews and decide whether it's worth the upgrade or not.

If you deem it worthwhile, you can still sell your SandyBridge MBA at a decent price (Macs tend to be have much stabler 2nd hand prices than a PC notebook) and consider the difference to your purchasing price as usage fee.

The only variable imho is whether the rumored redesigned MBP's will be released within the coming 2-3 months and perhaps offer a tempting alternative (especially for gaming, as the IvyBridge HD4000 chipset will be still as crappy for gaming as the HD3000 in the current machines - at least compared to a dedicated graphic solution that can normally be found in a MBP).

beyondthesmile
Feb 29, 2012, 09:28 PM
I'd wait unless you really need a laptop now. A release is due pretty soon, so you won't have to wait too long.

What you'll almost certainly get as an update:
- Faster processor
- WAY better video (anything is better than HD3000)
- Cooler - current macbooks run really hot, IMO

Things you -might- get:
- USB 3.0
- Better screen

Things you probably won't get:
- More RAM
- Bigger SSD

Sorry for what may seem like a dumb question, but what does better video do for you in non-gaming/photo or video editing capacities? Does it make a difference with watching videos on the SSD/from an external hard-drive? I show videos during presentations (w/ computer, currently an MBP, connected to a projector); would it influence these in any significant way?

Also, I've heard the thing about the MBAs running hot. Is it so hot that it's uncomfortable on your lap (though I'll be using my MBA on a desk most of the time as it will be for work only purposes)? Are the fans typically running during basic use (multi-tasking, but with MS Office Suite and internet, for example)?

TIA :)

iAppl3Fan
Feb 29, 2012, 10:00 PM
you should buy now. for your needs the current mba will do everything you need it to do and way more. waiting until july/august is forever. why wait when you can enjoy it now.

xStreame
Mar 1, 2012, 12:42 AM
Goddammit. My thoughts are jumping around.

The pro-contra ratio is 50:50, there are good arguments which make me want to wait, but also enough to get it now.

I'd like to hear more comments, it might help me find my decision.

Thanks

s2dio
Mar 1, 2012, 03:06 AM
Goddammit. My thoughts are jumping around.

The pro-contra ratio is 50:50, there are good arguments which make me want to wait, but also enough to get it now.

I'd like to hear more comments, it might help me find my decision.

Thanks

I'd certainly wait. No one knows what the next updates will be like, but there are major changes estimated in the Macbook pro line. Maybe they will become more attractive with the new changes. But if you're specifically after the Macbook Air, I'd wait. Even if it takes half a year (till August). I personally hate buying something so expensive right before it gets updated to a better option.

KohPhiPhi
Mar 1, 2012, 03:33 AM
Things you probably won't get:
- More RAM
- Bigger SSD

I agree that we will probably not see a 512 SSD, but I bet we will get 8gb RAM optional upgrade.

Mac32
Mar 1, 2012, 05:51 AM
I really want to get an MBA 13'' myself, but I'm definately gonna wait for the Ivy Bridge. Less heat, considerably quicker intergrated graphics and USB3 are really important factors for me. Also since Lion OS X has become slower and more resource+ram hungry, I really hope there is a 8gb ram option on the next MBA models. Also a screen upgrade with improved colour range would be great.
Heck, the new line of MBPs that's around the corner might also turn out to be amazing machines (thinner MBPs without HDD and ODD).

Ted-e
Mar 1, 2012, 07:07 AM
I really want to get an MBA 13'' myself, but I'm definately gonna wait for the Ivy Bridge. Less heat, considerably quicker intergrated graphics and USB3 are really important factors for me. Also since Lion OS X has become slower and more resource+ram hungry, I really hope there is a 8gb ram option on the next MBA models. Also a screen upgrade with improved colour range would be great.
Heck, the new line of MBPs that's around the corner might also turn out to be amazing machines (thinner MBPs without HDD and ODD).

Any idea if it will support dual displays? Don't think the current one does.

orfeas0
Mar 1, 2012, 07:59 AM
Sorry for what may seem like a dumb question, but what does better video do for you in non-gaming/photo or video editing capacities? Does it make a difference with watching videos on the SSD/from an external hard-drive? I show videos during presentations (w/ computer, currently an MBP, connected to a projector); would it influence these in any significant way?

Also, I've heard the thing about the MBAs running hot. Is it so hot that it's uncomfortable on your lap (though I'll be using my MBA on a desk most of the time as it will be for work only purposes)? Are the fans typically running during basic use (multi-tasking, but with MS Office Suite and internet, for example)?

TIA :)

I need to correct some things that Ls1dreams said.

What you'll almost certainly get as an update:
- Faster processor
- WAY better video (anything is better than HD3000)
- Cooler - current macbooks run really hot, IMO

Things you -might- get:
- USB 3.0
- Better screen

Things you probably won't get:
- More RAM
- Bigger SSD
Not anything is better than HD3000, it's a pretty good graphics card (chipset?).
Because of people like him, that probably want to game in the MBA, people think that the gpu is weak. It isn't, it can play HD videos smoothly and it can even play plenty of games easily.
From personal experience, the macbook air 11" doesn't get too hot, unless you're gaming. And even then it's hotter than those 15" MBPs with dedicated GPUs.

I think they WILL put a bigger SSD, but I don't know about ram. Maybe they'll make 4gb the standard (for the 1k$ mba).

To sum up, the current generation of macbook airs is perfect for almost anything, but if you don't need one right now, why not wait?
It runs cool, it's blazing fast, has a great screen resolution. But next gen will be even better :)

keysersoze
Mar 1, 2012, 08:18 AM
Wait.

beyondthesmile
Mar 1, 2012, 09:42 AM
I need to correct some things that Ls1dreams said.


Not anything is better than HD3000, it's a pretty good graphics card (chipset?).
Because of people like him, that probably want to game in the MBA, people think that the gpu is weak. It isn't, it can play HD videos smoothly and it can even play plenty of games easily.
From personal experience, the macbook air 11" doesn't get too hot, unless you're gaming. And even then it's hotter than those 15" MBPs with dedicated GPUs.

I think they WILL put a bigger SSD, but I don't know about ram. Maybe they'll make 4gb the standard (for the 1k$ mba).

To sum up, the current generation of macbook airs is perfect for almost anything, but if you don't need one right now, why not wait?
It runs cool, it's blazing fast, has a great screen resolution. But next gen will be even better :)

Thank you! That was a really helpful response. :)

za9ra22
Mar 1, 2012, 11:43 AM
Since no-one has much of a clue what the next MBA models will contain and which upgrades it'll get, the idea that you should wait until an unknown date for an unknown product is not necessarily the best advice. And given that whenever the next MBA comes out, it'll only be a year until the next one after that, why stop at waiting until Spring/Summer/Autumn for a new one when you could wait until next year?

I would jump now, and enjoy it. Then when a new model comes out, find a Apple dealer and try the new one out. If it is noticeably better, sell your MBA on ebay where you'll take a relatively small loss, and buy a new one.

Chances are that as in the past with the incremental revisions in Apple products, the next MBAs will look notably better on paper, but offer relatively minor improvements in real-life performance, so unless you're an ardent believer in must-have-the-newest-thing, the MBA you can buy now will remain more than adequate for your needs well beyond the next model and the one after that. If you needed something that much better, you'd be better off with a MBP anyway.

iAppl3Fan
Mar 1, 2012, 12:19 PM
since no-one has much of a clue what the next mba models will contain and which upgrades it'll get, the idea that you should wait until an unknown date for an unknown product is not necessarily the best advice. And given that whenever the next mba comes out, it'll only be a year until the next one after that, why stop at waiting until spring/summer/autumn for a new one when you could wait until next year?

I would jump now, and enjoy it. Then when a new model comes out, find a apple dealer and try the new one out. If it is noticeably better, sell your mba on ebay where you'll take a relatively small loss, and buy a new one.

Chances are that as in the past with the incremental revisions in apple products, the next mbas will look notably better on paper, but offer relatively minor improvements in real-life performance, so unless you're an ardent believer in must-have-the-newest-thing, the mba you can buy now will remain more than adequate for your needs well beyond the next model and the one after that. If you needed something that much better, you'd be better off with a mbp anyway.


+1

razmarino
Mar 1, 2012, 12:20 PM
i would wait. only because of hope that ivy's will use less power than sandy's.. its a painfull question with mba's batteries, from mine mba11i7 im getting 3 hours of usage, its not acceptable..

halledise
Mar 1, 2012, 01:17 PM
Goddammit. My thoughts are jumping around.

The pro-contra ratio is 50:50, there are good arguments which make me want to wait, but also enough to get it now.

I'd like to hear more comments, it might help me find my decision.

Thanks

flip a coin
or
ask the missus

GordonGekko
Mar 1, 2012, 01:50 PM
I had planned on picking up one this week, but then the buyers guide changed to only buy if needed, approaching the end of a cycle. So in the mean time I'm driving my self crazy thinking about it.

Neodym
Mar 1, 2012, 02:27 PM
But next gen will be even better :)
Not to mention the gen after next gen! And don't even get me started on the following one... ;)

calvol
Mar 1, 2012, 02:44 PM
Wait or you'll be sorry in a couple of months when the new ones come out. IB > SB for battery, graphics, and cpu. Also, may have 8MB ram option.

eggersj
Mar 1, 2012, 03:57 PM
The main reason I personally would wait forthe new MBA is the retina display. If it has that, all bets are off.

za9ra22
Mar 1, 2012, 04:12 PM
Amusing. If the new model - whenever it comes - has all the features being suggested for it, it's likely to be a very expensive piece of kit!

GordonGekko
Mar 1, 2012, 04:29 PM
Amusing. If the new model - whenever it comes - has all the features being suggested for it, it's likely to be a very expensive piece of kit!

That's what I was thinking. I will be happy with 8gb of ram. I will then feel better about running parallels comfortably and new operating systems as they come along. Though I would be happy with a 15in with a higher resolution, 8gb of ram, and larger SSD.

No-Me
Mar 1, 2012, 04:35 PM
Waiting for a computer is only a question when you don't need it at the moment. If you do, don't doubt and just get it, the Air is a super machine as it is now. :-)

xStreame
Mar 1, 2012, 10:50 PM
Since no-one has much of a clue what the next MBA models will contain and which upgrades it'll get, the idea that you should wait until an unknown date for an unknown product is not necessarily the best advice. And given that whenever the next MBA comes out, it'll only be a year until the next one after that, why stop at waiting until Spring/Summer/Autumn for a new one when you could wait until next year?

I would jump now, and enjoy it. Then when a new model comes out, find a Apple dealer and try the new one out. If it is noticeably better, sell your MBA on ebay where you'll take a relatively small loss, and buy a new one.

Chances are that as in the past with the incremental revisions in Apple products, the next MBAs will look notably better on paper, but offer relatively minor improvements in real-life performance, so unless you're an ardent believer in must-have-the-newest-thing, the MBA you can buy now will remain more than adequate for your needs well beyond the next model and the one after that. If you needed something that much better, you'd be better off with a MBP anyway.

This guy got the facts straight.
I got a friend using a 2005 macbook and Its not even slow. Nobody would honestly notice the difference between ivy and sandy until they put them next to each other.

ChrisA
Mar 2, 2012, 01:03 AM
I was planning on buying an Macbook Air for school soon, my 3 years old Vaio is falling apart and only works as a desktop attached to an external screen....

If you need a notebook computer now, buy one now. If you can do fine without one, don't buy one.

You should not care if the new one runs benchmarks faster. Faster is not better unless the current machine causes you to wait

thekev
Mar 2, 2012, 01:09 AM
This guy got the facts straight.
I got a friend using a 2005 macbook and Its not even slow. Nobody would honestly notice the difference between ivy and sandy until they put them next to each other.

Some of these guys are using somewhat of leveraged solutions where the laptop replaced tasks that would have previously been covered by the use of a desktop. It can make sense for people who have to take the computer with them that wished to consolidate two computers to one.

As a correction, there was no 2005 macbook. Did you mean a powerbook G4? Laptop drives of that era and the lack of ram were the things that irritated me. Lacking ram meant you often had to wait as it paged to a very slow disk. Ivy and Sandy will probably be very close. The big improvements came in nehalem. It's just that some of the higher clock speeds and stuff started to trickle down with Sandy. Ivy seems like more of a boost on the low end graphics than anything. If they wanted to play games on it, it might be worth waiting.

xStreame
Mar 2, 2012, 03:50 AM
Some of these guys are using somewhat of leveraged solutions where the laptop replaced tasks that would have previously been covered by the use of a desktop. It can make sense for people who have to take the computer with them that wished to consolidate two computers to one.

As a correction, there was no 2005 macbook. Did you mean a powerbook G4? Laptop drives of that era and the lack of ram were the things that irritated me. Lacking ram meant you often had to wait as it paged to a very slow disk. Ivy and Sandy will probably be very close. The big improvements came in nehalem. It's just that some of the higher clock speeds and stuff started to trickle down with Sandy. Ivy seems like more of a boost on the low end graphics than anything. If they wanted to play games on it, it might be worth waiting.

My mistake, was the 2006 model he had, my point was the very first version of the macbook :p

Anyways as i said it's mainly for school use where mobility and stability counts the most for me since I have to move around with it from class to class.
About the graphics i do agree with you I've looked up some stuff and saw that mainly the HD2500 will become the more used graphic chip than the HD 4000.
And honetsly I'll be happy enough with the current one until the next 'revolution of laptop'. :D

orfeas0
Mar 3, 2012, 04:42 AM
Not to mention the gen after next gen! And don't even get me started on the following one... ;)

Hehe yeah every next gen will be better obviously, but the question is how soon will the next gen come.
And even if new MBAs don't come out in april like it's rumored, new MBPs will. And they will be thinner and lighter, so you can get an MBP instead of an MBA without losing a lot of portability.

100wattwarlock
Mar 3, 2012, 09:06 AM
I'm having a similar dilemma.

In my case I'm finishing an 18-month MA program and my education discount will end on the 31st of March. Can't decide whether to update now (from a 07 black macbook) or wait for the new one to come out April-July.

2011 air: education discount and get a laptop far superior to my current one

vs.

2012 air: seeing as I've already waited 4 1/2 years and now have the cash for a full price one, wait for the upgrade

Any thoughts?