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heliocentric
Mar 3, 2012, 06:32 PM
The version with 2.13ghz, 4gb, 256gb and 320m.

They seem to be going for reasonable prices on ebay, so just wondering if they are still worth a shot? Especially with Mountain lion coming up...would they run that ok?

Would use it for musical production and web browsing.

Thanks



Spink10
Mar 3, 2012, 06:39 PM
Brand New from MacMall $1,114.52 when you go through appleinsider.

SRLMJ23
Mar 3, 2012, 08:51 PM
Absolutely it will be a good computer. I would def. get it. The MBA's are amazing machines.

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 04:10 AM
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Absolutely it will be a good computer. I would def. get it. The MBA's are amazing machines.

Yeah? Was just a bit worried about the core 2 duo in it and I'd that might run future os's slowly.

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mpe
Mar 4, 2012, 05:13 AM
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Yeah? Was just a bit worried about the core 2 duo in it and I'd that might run future os's slowly.

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I don't think there is something particular that could slow down future OS's on Core 2 Duo CPUs. Yes, Sandy Bridge CPU's are much faster in CPU intensive tasks, like photo processing, video encoding, encryption, etc. but the difference will be exactly same now and let's say three years of time.

For light workloads, like text editing, browsing web, audio/video playback, etc. 2010 Macbook Air is (and always will be ) just as responsive as 2011 thanks to same size of RAM and speed of SSD.

Paradoxically, at least in one aspect 2010 models can be more future-proof as they have discreet nVidia GPU with OpenCL support while Core i5 models have integrated solution that does not support OpenCL (at least at this point of time).

Bear
Mar 4, 2012, 07:24 AM
The version with 2.13ghz, 4gb, 256gb and 320m.

They seem to be going for reasonable prices on ebay, so just wondering if they are still worth a shot? Especially with Mountain lion coming up...would they run that ok?

Would use it for musical production and web browsing.

Thanks"Musical Production" could be a light load or a heavy load on a computer depending on what you mean by it.

How much would you be saving? Is it enough to really make a difference. Mountain Lion should be okay, but what about what is after that? I presume a current Air would be useable for at least a after a 2010 model.

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 07:39 AM
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Well I used to do music production using adobe audition on my old laptop and that only have 1gb and a celeron. Was going to use GarageBand and logic pro with it . Although i wouldnt say it will be too heavy. I assumed it would be fine with that . Just wondering how it would run current and future os's.

It's about 300 cheaper to get a 2010 over a 2011 one I think.

Thanks

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 08:15 AM
I would just get the 2011. The 2010 is about to be a couple of generations behind.

tbobmccoy
Mar 4, 2012, 08:17 AM
I would just get the 2011. The 2010 is about to be a couple of generations behind.

Agreed. Technically, the 2010 is already 2 generations behind as the first core i5/i7 came out that year. The Air just simply skipped them.

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 08:30 AM
If money is an issue, than you should look the the Macbook Pro. If it's not, than you're not getting the most for your money with the 2010 (in most cases depending on price).

I just don't see the value in buying technology that is so far behind. Especially at anything approaching full price.

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 09:12 AM
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Ok thanks for the advice. Money is a bit of an issue yeah!

Didn't really want a MacBook pro because of the glass screen...

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 09:15 AM
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Ok thanks for the advice. Money is a bit of an issue yeah!

Then I would definitely look at a refurb 15inch macbook pro, or something. Seems like you could get a better deal with more power for what you need. The air is nice, but IMO it's a bit of a luxury item, whereas the macbook pro is a bit more practical for most people and what they use their computer for.

I can garuntee that the 2010 MBA is going to get outdated within one, maybe two OS updates. It's just not a good idea.

What do you mean by glass screen?

Vudoo
Mar 4, 2012, 09:17 AM
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Ok thanks for the advice. Money is a bit of an issue yeah!

Didn't really want a MacBook pro because of the glass screen...

Not all Macbook Pros come with a glass screen. Mine didn't. :D

As for the Air, my wife's 2010 works fine. Don't get caught up on the technology unless you really need it.

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 09:20 AM
I just don't think the price - performance ratio for a 2010 MBA (depending on the price) is worth it if you're trying to be cost effective.

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 09:52 AM
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Don't like glass screenson computers, too reflective. That's why I was looking at airs...

2010's are around 600 on eBay , I think 2011 ones go for around 800-900 with less hard drive space.

mac26
Mar 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
I just don't think the price - performance ratio for a 2010 MBA (depending on the price) is worth it if you're trying to be cost effective.

I 2nd that, I highly recommend a 2011 model, for $200 more you get Thunderbolt (who knows what 3rd parties are going to create) , a 2nd Gen. Core i5 processor which will be much faster and better for Music IMO, and you get Airplay in ML which is only available for the 2nd. gen. iX and up processors, and a back-lit keyboard which is a nice little feature to seal the deal

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
are you talking about the matte or glossy finish? that depends on the computer

Jaro65
Mar 4, 2012, 10:51 AM
The 2010 MBA is still a great machine for an average user. I got the 2011 MBA when they were released and was running it in parallel with the 2010 MBA. While the former machine is no doubt faster in some tasks, I didn't perceive any difference in my normal use (email, browsing, reading PDFs, running Word or Excel, or watching iTunes shows). I really liked the lit keyboard, but in the end I returned the 2011 MBA and kept the old one. I will most likely be upgrading once the Ivy Bridge machines are out, as I expect that from the battery life and graphics perspective the 2012 MBA should be at least on par with the 2010 one (though I hope much better than that, at least for the graphics). In any case both 2010 and 2011 MBAs are great machines. Can't really make a wrong decision here.

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 10:58 AM
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I thought the late 2010 airs had a back lit keyboard?

eric/
Mar 4, 2012, 10:59 AM
No it doesn't.

gentlefury
Mar 4, 2012, 11:50 AM
I would wait until the 2012 model comes out...the C2D and the i5/i7 are like night and day! I have a C2D Mac Mini and my MBA smokes it!!

heliocentric
Mar 4, 2012, 11:51 AM
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I guess the consensus is that that a 2010 isn't worth it . I will try and hold off for a bit.

Or Maybe a 2010 13inch 2.66ghz MacBook pro would be better? Just not sure about the reflective glass screen...

MatLane
Mar 4, 2012, 12:04 PM
A a producer, i would consider looking at a higher spec machine for Music Production, i would recommend a Macbook Pro upwards

heliocentric
Mar 5, 2012, 10:08 AM
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Yeah the 2010 MacBook air I was watching on eBay went for far to much to be worth it.

Wonder when the new ones will be out? I know a student so can get student discount too...

excommie
Mar 5, 2012, 01:23 PM
I think the 2010 refurb macbook air for $699 from apple store is a good buy, especially since it'll run Snow Leopard.

SnowLeopard runs fine with 2GB of RAM. The base MBA has 64GB SSD, but this can be easily replaced later on with kits from OWC.

macjonny1
Mar 5, 2012, 01:42 PM
By the 2010 has difficulty with a new OS version, you will be ready to drop it for a new computer anyway.

I have two 2010 MBAs and a 2011 MBP i7 quad. The MBAs are enjoyable for any task I give it for day to day use. I've used it to rip blu-rays and it plays them back without a hitch. I don't do video editing on them, however.

The 2011s are going to lose value more than the 2010s.

You are looking at probably 4-5 years before a new OS comes out that wouldn't be supported by a 2010 MBA I'm guessing

robvas
Mar 5, 2012, 02:12 PM
I could swear I saw 2010 13" models with 256GB drives for $849 somewhere today...

calvol
Mar 6, 2012, 12:06 AM
Either get the 2010 or the 2012 MBA, unless you want to fry eggs on a 2011. C2D and Ivy will run a lot cooler and have better battery life than the Sandy Bridge step-child.

ebolamonkey3
Mar 6, 2012, 12:53 AM
Either get the 2010 or the 2012 MBA, unless you want to fry eggs on a 2011. C2D and Ivy will run a lot cooler and have better battery life than the Sandy Bridge step-child.

The 11" runs hot, but the 13" is pretty cool already. Ivy will help, but Intel's delayed it to June at the earliest.

prvt.donut
Mar 6, 2012, 08:45 AM
I agree, the CPU difference is not very noticeable between 2010 and 2011.

Things you will notice more are(in order or notice); SSD space (256GB is sweet), backlit keyboard, RAM (2GB vs 4GB), CPU speed.

As you are doing music production, RAM is more important than CPU speed.

They all come with nice and fast SSD drives, which make them feel blazing fast anyway.

I have both, I bought a 2010 11" for the wife when it came out with 2GB and 128GB. I just bought a 2011 13" for myself with the 4GB and 256GB SSD. The only reason I got the newer model for myself was for the keyboard as i have always enjoyed backlit keyboards. They make life so much easier in the evening when the lights are down low.

If money was an issue, I would go for the model that offers the most ram and SSD space. Yes, you can upgrade in the future, but it is so expensive!

I can't believe someone said mountain lion won't work on 2010 MBA's. There is NOTHING that supports that claim. The 1,1 Mac pros are listed as not supported, because they have a 32bit EFI. core2duo is thoroughly 64bit and a very capable CPU. I find it hard to imagine the average user needing a more powerful CPU for many years to come.

OS design is actually reverting to a simpler, cleaner code. I think we have reached the limits of the 2D desktop paradigm performance-wise. System level speed is more important than just CPU power now. If things go to 3D touch screen displays. But your MBA will be limited by the screen, GPU and interface more than CPU by that time.

robvas
Mar 6, 2012, 10:34 AM
I agree, the CPU difference is not very noticeable between 2010 and 2011.


I disagree. While the C2D Airs are still very capable for word processing, web surfing, etc, the new i5 models are literally twice as fast in most benchmarks.

I can see this first hand when I do a build+run in Xcode. My 2011 is way, way, faster (3-4 times?) but I have the 1.4GHz 2010 model. They both have Toshiba drives. Even if it were a 2.13GHz model it'd still be twice as fast.

andrewlgm
Mar 6, 2012, 01:14 PM
I'd have to say that buying such an outdated computer is not such a good deal. if you could find it for $600, then you can jump on it. But even then, it's still 2 years behind. I use a 2.26 C2D, Nvideo 9400 white macbook with an SSD and it still lags when I use it heavily. Open up 5 heavy webpages with lots of graphics, iTunes playing in another desktop, microsoft word running, and you'll feel the slow down quite obviously. Open up aperture, and you'll get yourself 2 or 3 seconds slow down when surfing the net. Scrolling becomes unresponsive, clicking takes a hit, etc. Video converting also takes quite a while. A C2D is not the best way to spend your money right now.

If all you wanted to do was write and read and light web browsing, then I'd say, go for it. Otherwise, you're better off buying the current model or waiting until a refresh this june. At least you could save up some more, and get a better video card on it instead of intel 3000 which is on par with 320m, and get better battery life.

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I disagree. While the C2D Airs are still very capable for word processing, web surfing, etc, the new i5 models are literally twice as fast in most benchmarks.

I can see this first hand when I do a build+run in Xcode. My 2011 is way, way, faster (3-4 times?) but I have the 1.4GHz 2010 model. They both have Toshiba drives. Even if it were a 2.13GHz model it'd still be twice as fast.

You're absolutely right. The 2011 Macbook airs with sandy bridge are not only faster than their counterparts from 2010, they are also faster with their low voltage processors than the PROS running C2D.

calvol
Mar 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
The 2011 MBA is faster than the 2010 in some things, slower in others, like rendering video. So if you're encoding video all day, buy the 2011, on the other hand, if you're rendering video more often, buy the 2010. Otherwise, wait for the 2012 and get the best of both.

prvt.donut
Mar 6, 2012, 11:06 PM
I disagree. While the C2D Airs are still very capable for word processing, web surfing, etc, the new i5 models are literally twice as fast in most benchmarks.

I can see this first hand when I do a build+run in Xcode. My 2011 is way, way, faster (3-4 times?) but I have the 1.4GHz 2010 model. They both have Toshiba drives. Even if it were a 2.13GHz model it'd still be twice as fast.

Yeah, but OP says he will be doing some music editing and web browsing on it. the 2010 model he listed will handle it very well.

Of course the i5 is faster. But does the OP need it?:D

Here is an example bench comparison.

Performance Gains of i5 650 over Core 2 Duo 6400 (not MBA versions):

Cache: 187.33% Increase
CPU Arithmetic: 264.59% Increase
CPU Multi-Media: 251.51% Increase
Cryptography: 758.39% Increase
.Net Arithmetic: 287.83% Increase
.Net Multi-Media: 243.61% Increase
Memory Bandwidth: 147.37% Increase
Memory Latency: 104.81% Faster
Multi-Core Efficiency: 432.26% Increase
Power Management: 246.88% Increase

Batten
Mar 7, 2012, 03:10 AM
I have the Macbook air that you describe and I find it absolutely fine for adobe cs5, mainly working in PS and DW. I've also got mountain lion running on it and have noted, if anything, a slight performance increase. That could just be one of the niceties of a recent install though.

sm0
Mar 7, 2012, 04:33 AM
I own both. Both are decent machines and more than enough for 99% of my daily needs.

Just get the 2011. Life is too short to not have the best.