Target to Sell iPods [Archive]

djniche

Oct 24, 2002, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by medea
One of our Targets actually sells some Macintosh games, only like 7 or 8 of em but......I'd much rather buy my iPod from Target then Best Buy, the other day I was just looking around at Best Buy and I picked up the iPod box and one of the Best Buy guys actually tried to convince me that the Rio was a better product and the iPod "would probably break down after a few months just like macintosh computers do..." (at which point I just laughed and walked away.) I also have a Target Credit Card so I'll get a percentage off.......
In the end I think it's great that Apple is increasing the stores that will sell their product, they should just boycott Circuit City since they decided they didn't want to sell Apple Computers any more.

Having bought certain thing in bestbuy, I can say that their consumer policies are way of target. No consumer service whatsoever. So I wouldnt buy my next ipod from bestbuy that's for sure. I'm in the market for another ipod a 20 or 10g but will be bought in the apple store or maybe the target stores.

Billicus

Oct 24, 2002, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by railthinner
The thought of them only selling the windows version makes my stomach turn........ (maybe it's this coffee.) An accomplishment would be if they were selling ibooks at Target.

They're not going to have both versions???

That would be a mistake, I think. :eek:

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:14 AM

Target?? :confused: I’m glad to see that Apple is expanding their market base…but Target??
I think Apple should expand their market to Wal-Mart or Sam’s Club, not Target!!!

chromos

Oct 24, 2002, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj
Target?? :confused: I’m glad to see that Apple is expanding their market base…but Target??
I think Apple should expand their market to Wal-Mart or Sam’s Club, not Target!!!

What's wrong with Target? I love it... It also has hip advertising and doesn't use a stupid bouncing happy face. :rolleyes:

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by chromos

What's wrong with Target? I love it... It also has hip advertising and doesn't use a stupid bouncing happy face. :rolleyes:

There is nothing wrong with Target……I just think if Apple is going to go that route, (Super Department Stores) they should go to Wal-Mart, because they have a bigger client base!!! (Mo’, Mo’ Mo’ Money!!);) :p :rolleyes:

drastik

Oct 24, 2002, 10:32 AM

Taget rocks, I buy half my crap there, its cheap enough to let buy the other half in really nice places.

As for the Windows version, wqell, they decided to do this, so they are going to do it all the way, might as well make the bucks.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj
Target?? :confused: I’m glad to see that Apple is expanding their market base…but Target??
I think Apple should expand their market to Wal-Mart or Sam’s Club, not Target!!!

Oh, God not Wal-Mart. Anything but Wal-Mart. White trash-Mart.

Anyway rangting over. I don't see a problem with them selling only the Windows version of the iPod at Target or anywhere for that matter. They may lose some advertising by not having the Apple version there. What's cool about the Windows-iPod is it works with Macs also not reformat or anything needed. Just plug it in and iTunes pops up like it's suppose to. The advantage of the Windows-iPod is it will work with a PC as a hard drive. So you can use it to transfer your files from a PC to a Mac and back again. This is added functionality since the Mac-iPod only works with Macs.

zarathustra

Oct 24, 2002, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj
Target?? :confused: I’m glad to see that Apple is expanding their market base…but Target??
I think Apple should expand their market to Wal-Mart or Sam’s Club, not Target!!!

Target has a better target customer (pun intended). Every time I walk into Walmart, I feel like I am in Arkansas during a NASCAR meet. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but people at Walmart might not understand why a music doohickey costs 399, when they can get a walkman for 9.99.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 10:40 AM

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 10:41 AM

woah, I must have missed the part about only selling the Windows version, how are you going to carry a product made by Apple and neglect Apple's consumer base???? :mad:
I think it's a big mistake.

[edit] oh and I hate Walmart, you ever see the people that work in the Electronics dept there?? scary. :eek: [edit]

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by medea
woah, I must have missed the part about only selling the Windows version, how are you going to carry a product made by Apple and neglect Apple's consumer base????
I think it's a big mistake.

Read my previous post about this. They are not neglecting the Apple consumers at all. The Windows iPod works with a Mac just the way a Mac-iPod does no changes needed. It also adds some functionality in that it is compatible with a PC also.

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

Read my previous post about this. They are not neglecting the Apple consumers at all. The Windows iPod works with a Mac just the way a Mac-iPod does no changes needed. It also adds some functionality in that it is compatible with a PC also.

This is very true, but Apple still sells two versions for a reason and though it might not be a big deal a lot of people might have a problem with having to buy the windows version there. If it works the same way then I gues I personally won't mind that much though.:rolleyes:

[edit]oh and the post below me makes a good point, I usually do buy straight from Apple and online at that[edit]

chromos

Oct 24, 2002, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by medea
woah, I must have missed the part about only selling the Windows version, how are you going to carry a product made by Apple and neglect Apple's consumer base???? :mad:
I think it's a big mistake.

I think that Apple's Mac base is used to buying their stuff through mailorder, and now through the retail Apple Stores. I for one am not used to buying Apple stuff at my local Tarzhay, so I don't feel like Apple is neglecting me with this move.

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:48 AM

fixyourthinking

Oct 24, 2002, 10:51 AM

No one really ever posted to any Mac forum (besides me) the true reason Macs do not exist in Circuit City, Sears, or Best Buy. It was NEVER the store or the chain's fault! Apple hired a marketting company called MarketSource that was VERY incompetant in training & merchandising. They are still used for CompUSA in most cases. ONLY the stores that have a "Mac Guy", an Apple Paid Employee in the store, or a great manager, who loves Macs, have a great Apple Display/Customer Experience. The Marketsource Reps are wannabes who feed customers rumors & misinformation because they are simply Mac Addicts or enthusiasts; not knowledgeable in training, personal relations, merchandising, or even a REAL JOB! Heck, I know one Marketsource Rep that shows up drunk to his Rep work for Apple/CompUSA. I worked for Marketsource at one point, in a "round about" way. I filled in for missing or no show Reps around the Southeast. Each store I went to Demo Days for, I spent 2/3 of the day straightening the departments & merchandising the Apple Areas + putting things where they belonged with the right prices, etc etc. This was the JOB OF the Apple Power Reps that were suppose to be representing Apple!!!

On topic: I think it's great to get a nudge into new areas. Walmart used to sell the 500 series PowerBooks and the Apple Stylewriters + some 630 636 Macs/Performas. Once Apple has it's foot in the door, maybe it will be able to sell other items soon, even if only in select locations.

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

This is added functionality since the Mac-iPod only works with Macs.

What about X-Play???
I makes the Mac iPod works with Windows!!;)

Edot

Oct 24, 2002, 10:53 AM

I believe that Apple hired one of Targets employees, or commissioned him/her, for their own apple stores. Maybe this is why they chose target? I don't know all the details about the person that apple hired, but I am pretty sure they were from Target. However, if they were a ex-employee then this wouldn't make much sense. Then again this could have no relation whatsoever. Just a thought:)

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj

I guess it depends on where you live.
Here on the West coast the people at Wal-Mart are a bit knowledgeable (at least the one’s I’ve been to). And as for white trash….you have that everywhere!!:p ;)

Well here in Eugene on the West Coast the people that go to Wal-Mart can be spotted by how many teeth they have and how big there truck is.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj

What about X-Play???
I makes the Mac iPod works with Windows!!;)

I am talking about out of the box of course. :)

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

Well here in Eugene on the West Coast the people that go to Wal-Mart can be spotted by how many teeth they have and how big there truck is.

Ha Ha Ha...lol
That's funny!!:D ;) :p

evilfunkgenius

Oct 24, 2002, 10:56 AM

Anyone ever look closely at the computer systems in all the Target ads!? ...yup, TiBooks.

And let's also keep in mind that they have been "hiring" tons of "name-brand" designers to produce goods for the store: Philip Staark, Michael Graves, etc. So The "design-philosophy" of Apple probaby fits right in with the customer-base they are targeting. And thus they have a much better chance of selling a good amount of product--because the customers at Target are typically more "design-savy" and sill spend a bit more $$ on a good design. Wal-marters just plain won't spend the cash on high-tickets luxury items, and that is not a bad thing, they are just marketing to the "down-dirty-cheap" shoppers--which iPod is definately not for.

As for the Windows being the only item sold in store, it just makes money sense. Unfortunately 95% of the people still use PCs and so having a Windows version being sold is a lot more important to a store that aims toward upscale, middle america. Although, once they get it and realize how cool it is... maybe a quick trip to the Apple store wouldn't hurt much...

-efg

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

I am talking about out of the box of course. :)

Good point!!;)

primalman

Oct 24, 2002, 11:04 AM

Last I heard, Target - the corporation - is a pretty pro-Mac place, using our favorite computer in everyday business, not just in creative, but day-to-day management. A well mixed base of platforms running the show.

I have this feeling that this is more testing of the waters to find a national strategic retail partner with the most applicable market. I can honestly say that Target would be the best non-electronics/non-computer focused national retailer to have eMacs, iMacs and iBooks on their shelves. It fits.

Wal-Mart would be a joke, as previous posters have said,since Wally-World's primary focus is on price, not on quality. Their customers focus on bang-for-buck, and nothing else. Same for Kmart, even thought they have been trying with Martha Stewart stuff [no jokes about stocks please, not for here].

Target caters, to an extent, to consumers who have taste and a sense for the role of a well designed product in their homes or on their bodies. Apple products in Target makes a lot of sense, since a high portion of Apple's customers have a similar appreciation for design and quality.

I think this is something that we should keep out eyes on. The Apple-Store-within-a-Target-Greatland. Hmmmmmm.

PS - Has anyone looked hard at a Target flyer or TV ad? You will find almost 100% of model computers used to show how products are used [ie furniture] are Apple's - PowerBook G4s being very prominent. A few iMacs too.

cubist

Oct 24, 2002, 11:04 AM

... that if someone (me, for example :) ) buys a windows iPod at Target, it will work with my mac?

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius
Anyone ever look closely at the computer systems in all the Target ads!? ...yup, TiBooks.

Wal-marters just plain won't spend the cash on high-tickets luxury items, and that is not a bad thing, they are just marketing to the "down-dirty-cheap" shoppers--which iPod is definately not for.

-efg

As for "Wal-Marters" being labeled as "down-dirty-cheap" shoppers”…That’s absurd…because all of the Wal-Marts I go to, have a lot of Lexus’ and BMW’s in the parking lots!! (At least here in Vegas)

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by cubist
... that if someone (me, for example :) ) buys a windows iPod at Target, it will work with my mac?

Yep;) :p

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj

They sell Tibooks @ Target?:confused: :confused:

As for "Wal-Marters" being labeled as "down-dirty-cheap" shoppers”…That’s absurd…because all of the Wal-Marts I go to, have a lot of Lexus’ and BMW’s in the parking lots!! (At least here in Vegas)

No they dont sell Tibooks, but they use them in the ads like say on top of one of their computer desks...they look better so it makes the desk look more attractive in a way.
also I see plenty of white-trash (and other types of stereotypically "dirty" people) driving lexus's and such here in southwest florida.........

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by medea

No they dont sell Tibooks, but they use them in the ads like say on top of one of their computer desks...they look better so it makes the desk look more attractive in a way.
also I see plenty of white-trash (and other types of stereotypically "dirty" people) driving lexus's and such here in southwest florida.........

Yeah, I know they don't, I just read the post wrong:D :p

And as for those "white-trash (and other types of stereotypically "dirty" people)" are known as drug dealers!!:p

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 11:19 AM

lol:eek:

jelloshotsrule

Oct 24, 2002, 11:21 AM

i heard a radio story once about a design show that was going around the country.... and they mentioned apple of course. and they also mentioned target's marketing/design scheme.... so the earlier post was on the money about that

as for target vs wal-mart.... target is a slightly less hick infested wal-mart....

as for mac/pc ipods.... i agree that most people getting them there would be windows, and even if joe mac user can use a windows ipod, would they buy one if they had the choice and/or didn't know better? but i'm just not sure how it would hurt apple to have at least a few mac ones.... i suppose it's more of a pain than it sounds... but i don't think it'd hurt.

Rajj

Oct 24, 2002, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule

as for target vs wal-mart.... target is a slightly less hick infested wal-mart...

"Hick infested" LMAO..You guys are on a roll:D :p

TimDaddy

Oct 24, 2002, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by medea

also I see plenty of white-trash (and other types of stereotypically "dirty" people) driving lexus's and such here in southwest florida.........

I know this is way off topic, but I you guys are so open to use the term "white trash". If someone on here were to say "black trash", or "Hispanic trash", or any other type of negative description where race is mentioned, do you realize how many people would jump down their throats? Even if they were just joking around, there would be entire threads on how they should be banned. We aren't allowed to like them because they are ignorant bigots. They are the boils on the rear-ends of society. But, when it's whitey, it's okay. (Maybe I'm just offended because I live in Kentucky and have two kids at age 23! And I used to smoke. DAmn, maybe I'm white trash. Maybe I should just delete this entire rant. =)

Anyway, on topic. Since I bought my first G3 iMac, I have noticed how Apple-like a lot of the products at Target are. They are a little more expensive than the competition, but of significantly higher quality. I think Apple products will fit in just fine. And, I have noticed all the Apple computers used in their advertising. I'd love to see them selling Apple computers. The software section at the Target in Lexington that I occasionally go to has the best Mac selection of any of the big discount stores. The shelving is 7 or 8 feet tall, and about 5 feet horizontally is stacked from top to bottom with Mac compatible software. So, I do think Target will be a good place to try and sell Apple products to the masses.

LethalWolfe

Oct 24, 2002, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
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as for mac/pc ipods.... i agree that most people getting them there would be windows, and even if joe mac user can use a windows ipod, would they buy one if they had the choice and/or didn't know better? but i'm just not sure how it would hurt apple to have at least a few mac ones.... i suppose it's more of a pain than it sounds... but i don't think it'd hurt.

If both Mac and PC iPods have the same level of functionality when connected to a Mac I don't understand why anyone would buy a "Mac only" iPod.

I own (and work with) both Macs and PCs and being able to easily use an iPod to Xfer files cross-platform just gave the iPod a bump up on my "things I want" list. As a "Mac only" device it wasn't worth the cost to me, but as a cross-platform device I just might have to grab one.

Lethal

Hawthorne

Oct 24, 2002, 12:20 PM

Look at the stuff in a Target. Design and style is a big part of their look and branding, it's what sets them apart from Wal-Mart, K-Mart and the rest. Selling the iPod there makes perfect sense.

Walk into a Wal-mart, and you'll see too many people who consider Spandex a right and not a priviledge.

And I prefer the term "white recyclables":D ;)

iShater

Oct 24, 2002, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by xrhajj

As for "Wal-Marters" being labeled as "down-dirty-cheap" shoppers”…That’s absurd…because all of the Wal-Marts I go to, have a lot of Lexus’ and BMW’s in the parking lots!! (At least here in Vegas)

Are you sure it is not a casino with a Wal-Mart theme? :D

ninkasi

Oct 24, 2002, 12:46 PM

I think it's a good step forward for Apple to have iPods at Target. Even if it's only the PC version, they are introducing the Apple brand to a lot of people who would normally not consider it. Target is more style-conscious than other discounters (as many of you have pointed out), so it's an excellent fit.

As for WalMart, I've sure the two companies have talked, but their respective arrogances will stop any deal between the two. Apple refuses to have any of their products discounted and WalMart won't buy anything it can't discount. It's really just that simple.

digitalbiker

Oct 24, 2002, 01:32 PM

Boy, thats news to the Walmart shoppers of the world.

I just have one question and I want this answered by someone who has never bought a single item from Walmart in his or her life.

What's it like to not be white trash?

Huh?... NO responses, I guess we must all be guilty of shopping at Walmart and we are all white trash.:D

jt23

Oct 24, 2002, 01:34 PM

This is from the Apple Support Site...

Question 8: I have both a Mac and a PC. Will my iPod work on both?
Answer: No, iPod is specially configured for either Mac or PC. iPod for Mac comes in the HFS Plus file format which is optimized for performance and usability in Mac OS X and 9. iPod for Windows comes in the FAT32 file format which is optimized for performance and usability in Windows ME, 2000, and XP.

If you purchased an iPod for Windows, you can easily reformat it to work on your Mac by downloading the iPod for Mac Software Updater on the Apple Web site. Note that once it is reformatted, it will only work with Macs. You need Mac OS 9.2 or Mac OS X 10.1 or later to reformat an iPod for Windows into an iPod for Mac.

You cannot reformat an iPod for Mac to work with Windows.

Using the iPod for Mac on a PC, or using the iPod for Windows on a Mac, is not supported by Apple.

TEG

Oct 24, 2002, 02:08 PM

Finally Apple has at least seen the glow from the light. Targét is a good place to sell the iPod, I mean they are the only nation wide no electronics store to carry Mac compatible games in every store. As for the PC iPod thing, I think its a good Idea to have the PC.pods there, but there should be something in the store about taking a little cupon like thing to customer service to order a Mac.pod, that way no one is left out.
Personally, I'll be getting my iPod from Best Buy. Why? Because non-commissioned sales people, good atmosphere, there is no Apple near here, and I will not need a damned sales rep to find the iPods.
As for Wally-World, they are just plain low rent, who really needs that many cameras, and that poor quality merchandice. People only buy from them because they don't know any better. Also, when a Wal-mart goes into a town, It kills local businesses.
And that whole thing about Circuit City is the same thing I have heard about CompUSA. I had convinced a friend of mine to buy an iBook for his son, who is really into art, when he went to CompUSA and was about to buy it, the sales guy convinced him to Buy a poor quality Compaq machine. Reason: More Commission for selling Compaqs than Apples.
End Main
End Rant.

TEG

TEG

Oct 24, 2002, 02:11 PM

Also... Why can't Apple make an iPod that is both Mac and PC compatible. Add some PC compatibility to OSX and then configure iTunes to work with it. That way it doesn't matter, they are all the same so no confusion for the newbies.

TEG

chewbaccapits

Oct 24, 2002, 02:19 PM

...A hack can make it compatiable for, both, pc and mac? Whats the deal? Who knows the answer? Work for both or not?

gropo

Oct 24, 2002, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by chromos

What's wrong with Target? I love it... It also has hip advertising and doesn't use a stupid bouncing happy face. :rolleyes: Wor-kin on a Roll-back... Price-s goin' down-down. Workin' on a *BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*....:p

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 03:03 PM

Um, hey guys Cnet say's Target will carry BOTH the Mac and PC versions.
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-963217.html
they also make a statement about mac consumers being smarter, I'll see if you can spot it......;)

Nebrie

Oct 24, 2002, 03:06 PM

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by medea

they also make a statement about mac consumers being smarter, I'll see if you can spot it......;)

As a result, it can sit on store shelves and doesn't require the kind of customer education typically needed to sell a Mac.

That it?

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 03:44 PM

indeed it is.

aafuss1

Oct 24, 2002, 03:45 PM

I doubt thios, that I've never see Coles Myer's store sell Apple products (which comes to mind that our Target isn't assOciated with Target USA). Which means that it's Definately no chance of seing aple productas being sold in a coles myer owned store. I wondr what it be like in the UK if a big cdepartment store decioded to sell aopple products thereor in New Zwealand. Only Traget stores sell apples products. Wait a minute, Iaw a Target on TV-not computers-although I'd visualise a mini Apple Centr in thje m,usic departtment, nexct to the Siny playtstations. Aklthough, maybe I hope thatour target doesn;t sell spl,ees computerswwhy? maybr profits-I heard thsat they weren't going to good. Oanly prfect the in US targets.

Shrek

Oct 24, 2002, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by xrhajj

There is nothing wrong with Target……I just think if Apple is going to go that route, (Super Department Stores) they should go to Wal-Mart, because they have a bigger client base!!! (Mo’, Mo’ Mo’ Money!!);) :p :rolleyes:

Selling iPods at Wal-mart is actually a very intelligent idea and would be a smart move for Apple. This is because Apple is trying to get more PC users to switch to the Mac by showing them how good it can really be. Now you can be sure that since PC users like cheap stuff, then a lot of them must shop at Wal-Mart because Wal-mart has low prices. If this is true then the iPod can really reach those masses and masses of Windows users that Apple is targeting, even if Wal-mart can't sell the iPod at low prices (which I think they can, Look here (http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=970381)).

Forget about Mac users shopping at Wal-mart though, for ya'll are just obsessed with expensive stuff! But let PC users shop for cheap if that's the way they want to shop. Think about it, stupid! :mad:

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 03:59 PM

Am I the only one who got dizzy reading aafuss1's post?

[edit] oh and Shrek I think that iPod at Macmall is a refurb and they are an authorized reseller for Apple.[edit]

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

Selling iPods at Wal-mart is actually a very intelligent idea and would be a smart move for Apple. This is because Apple is trying to get more PC users to switch to the Mac by showing them how good it can really be. Now you can be sure that since PC users like cheap stuff, then a lot of them must shop at Wal-Mart because Wal-mart has low prices. If this is true then the iPod can really reach those masses and masses of Windows users that Apple is targeting, even if Wal-mart can't sell the iPod at low prices (which I think they can, .

Forget about Mac users shopping at Wal-mart though, for ya'll are just obsessed with expensive stuff! But let PC users shop for cheap if that's the way they want to shop. Think about it, stupid! :mad:

iPod+Wal-mart=bad idea

Apple shouldn't be attracting all the manstream, just certain parts.
Why? Cuz it takes a certain person to like a Mac.
Look at this community. It's a diverse, yet similar group of people.
Now go to a PC board and I'm sure you're going to see a bit of a difference in the community and how they relate to one another.

Wal-mart is part of that whole pop vs art argument.
Most of the time pop appeals to the vast majority of people and eventually fades out to nothing, while art sticks around.
It may have a moment of fame from time to time, but that's really not what it's about.

Do you really expect somewhing you buy at Wal-mart to last you long time?

Shrek

Oct 24, 2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

iPod+Wal-mart=bad idea

Apple shouldn't be attracting all the manstream, just certain parts.
Why? Cuz it takes a certain person to like a Mac.
Look at this community. It's a diverse, yet similar group of people.
Now go to a PC board and I'm sure you're going to see a bit of a difference in the community and how they relate to one another.

No it doesn't take a certain kind of person to like a Mac. And whoever thought that it would take a certain kind of person to like an iPod? NOT!!! This could save Apple's stock price for crying out loud!

Wal-mart is part of that whole pop vs art argument.
Most of the time pop appeals to the vast majority of people and eventually fades out to nothing, while art sticks around.
It may have a moment of fame from time to time, but that's really not what it's about.

Do you really expect somewhing you buy at Wal-mart to last you long time?

Now you're really p***ing me off! Good deals don't mean bad quality. I get a lot of nice stuff from Wal-mart that lasts a long time. I'd say the only reason why Wal-mart has great prices is because they buy in bulk. Duh! :mad:

Arcady

Oct 24, 2002, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by digitalbiker
I just have one question and I want this answered by someone who has never bought a single item from Walmart in his or her life.

What's it like to not be white trash?

Huh?... NO responses, I guess we must all be guilty of shopping at Walmart and we are all white trash.:D

I've never been to a Walmart. However, I have been to the Home Depot that happens to share a parking lot with a Walmart, and one side is occupied by fairly nice cars, while the other has these lowered crap-mobiles with rap music coming out of them, and people arriving with 7 people crammed in the back of a pickup truck. The few nice cars over there have NASCAR stickers or confederate flag license plates on them.

What's it like not to be white trash? I'm not sure, but I think that you are not allowed to live in a home that has wheels on it, or have a vehicle with wheels in your yard that no longer works... :D

Shrek

Oct 24, 2002, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Arcady

I've never been to a Walmart. However, I have been to the Home Depot that happens to share a parking lot with a Walmart, and one side is occupied by fairly nice cars, while the other has these lowered crap-mobiles with rap music coming out of them, and people arriving with 7 people crammed in the back of a pickup truck. The few nice cars over there have NASCAR stickers or confederate flag license plates on them.

Hmmm. Not like that at my neighborhood Wal-mart. :rolleyes:

What's it like not to be white trash? I'm not sure, but I think that you are not allowed to live in a home that has wheels on it, or have a vehicle with wheels in your yard that no longer works...

You ain't seen nothin' until you've tried it. It's all the same quality, for less. That's all it is.

Just what makes people think that because someone can sell something for a lower price that it is not as good? Explain that to me.

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

No it doesn't take a certain kind of person to like a Mac. And whoever thought that it would take a certain kind of person to like an iPod? NOT!!!

Yes it does. Like I said, go to a PC forums site with about the same number of members and you'll notice a big difference.
It's a bit hard to explain but you'll definately notice a different vibe in the community.

Originally posted by Shrek

Now you're really p***ing me off! Good deals don't mean bad quality. I get a lot of nice stuff from Wal-mart that lasts a long time. I'd say the only reason why Wal-mart has great prices is because they buy in bulk. Duh! :mad:

You're right, they do buy in bulk, the cheap stuff.
Look, my whole family (me included) was raised on Wal-mart stuff and while somethings have lasted longer than others, very little of I can say is actual quality.
Target's not great, but it's more along the lines of the kinds of people Apple wants to sell to.

medea

Oct 24, 2002, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

No it doesn't take a certain kind of person to like a Mac. And whoever thought that it would take a certain kind of person to like an iPod? NOT!!! This could save Apple's stock price for crying out loud!

Now you're really p***ing me off! Good deals don't mean bad quality. I get a lot of nice stuff from Wal-mart that lasts a long time. I'd say the only reason why Wal-mart has great prices is because they buy in bulk. Duh! :mad:

Look Shrek, I'll repeat the quote "As a result, it can sit on store shelves and doesn't require the kind of customer education typically needed to sell a Mac."
Mac users are a different kind of consumer base and yes it does take a certain type of person to like a Mac. And if your getting pissed off because someone doesnt like Walmart then dont because it doesnt have anything to do with you, unless you work at Walmart that is.........
Oh and I doubt that Walmart has low prices because of just bulk, Walmart is owned by the same people as Sams club and THOSE are the bulk people. Walmart sells a lot of things "at-cost" and thats how they have the low prices.

Shrek

Oct 24, 2002, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

Yes it does. Like I said, go to a PC forums site with about the same number of members and you'll notice a big difference.
It's a bit hard to explain but you'll definately notice a different vibe in the community.

You're right, they do buy in bulk, the cheap stuff.
Look, my whole family (me included) was raised on Wal-mart stuff and while somethings have lasted longer than others, very little of I can say is actual quality.
Target's not great, but it's more along the lines of the kinds of people Apple wants to sell to.

Originally posted by medea

Look Shrek, I'll repeat the quote "As a result, it can sit on store shelves and doesn't require the kind of customer education typically needed to sell a Mac."
Mac users are a different kind of consumer base and yes it does take a certain type of person to like a Mac. And if your getting pissed off because someone doesnt like Walmart then dont because it doesnt have anything to do with you, unless you work at Walmart that is.........
Oh and I doubt that Walmart has low prices because of just bulk, Walmart is owned by the same people as Sams club and THOSE are the bulk people. Walmart sells a lot of things "at-cost" and thats how they have the low prices.

Don't talk trash about my beloved save-money Wal-mart to me. 'Nuff said.

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 04:58 PM

I never said that Wal-mart isn't for everybody, I have bought and will probably continue to buy stuff from them, but only cuz I can't afford better quality things.
Wal-mart's great for people who are on a tite budget like me, but if I weren't, you can bet you're sweet orgre ass that I would most of my ***** somewhere else.

Shrek

Oct 24, 2002, 05:05 PM

Ya, ya, whatever. :rolleyes:

You know if I were rich I'd still buy from Wal-mart. :D

[admin edit: don't get personal ]

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

And "You know maybe there is a reason 'crossdressers' are not suppose to talk." --Quote from Shrek

That was so funny, I forgot to attach my laghing smiley.

iShater

Oct 24, 2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

Don't talk trash about my beloved save-money Wal-mart to me. 'Nuff said.

I used to shop Wal-Mart all the time ... then one day I walked into Target .... end of story :D

iShater

Oct 24, 2002, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by iShater

I used to shop Wal-Mart all the time ... then one day I walked into Target .... end of story :D

But then again, this is not why we have this thread. We all have to remember that Apple is probably doing things one step at a time and might be able to get something back from Target, e.g. special promos for the product etc. I usually don't think of Wal-Mart as the place to buy electronics (more of a peripherals kinda place I think).

Just my 3cs.

beatle888

Oct 24, 2002, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit

Well here in Eugene on the West Coast the people that go to Wal-Mart can be spotted by how many teeth they have and how big there truck is.

Hey Asshole
thats Fncked up. wallmart is inexpensive and
some people are not fortunate enough to shop
anywhere else. one of my best friends is so
poor she does here grocery shopping at the
99cent store, has all her teeth and doesn't judge
people by how much cash they have....dick.

digitalbiker

Oct 24, 2002, 05:37 PM

You are correct!

Ignore the elitist Mac users who think they are "special" because they bought a Mac. There are a few of those in every crowd, PC users have their elitist snobs too.

Just remember that Apple is trying to make money. They are trying to make money by selling as many quality products to as many people as possible.

Apple is proving this by bringing out a Wndows & Mac version of the iPod and they are marketing it in stores that have mass merchandising outlet stores around the country.

Thats the bottom line. Apple will sell a Mac to anyone, anywhere,and at anytime if it helps them to grow and make more money.

Is this a great country or what!!:)

synergy

Oct 24, 2002, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by adzoox
No one really ever posted to any Mac forum (besides me) the true reason Macs do not exist in Circuit City, Sears, or Best Buy. It was NEVER the store or the chain's fault! Apple hired a marketting company called MarketSource that was VERY incompetant in training & merchandising. They are still used for CompUSA in most cases. ONLY the stores that have a "Mac Guy", an Apple Paid Employee in the store, or a great manager, who loves Macs, have a great Apple Display/Customer Experience. The Marketsource Reps are wannabes who feed customers rumors & misinformation because they are simply Mac Addicts or enthusiasts; not knowledgeable in training, personal relations, merchandising, or even a REAL JOB! Heck, I know one Marketsource Rep that shows up drunk to his Rep work for Apple/CompUSA. I worked for Marketsource at one point, in a "round about" way. I filled in for missing or no show Reps around the Southeast. Each store I went to Demo Days for, I spent 2/3 of the day straightening the departments & merchandising the Apple Areas + putting things where they belonged with the right prices, etc etc. This was the JOB OF the Apple Power Reps that were suppose to be representing Apple!!!

I must take issue with this. I used to work with them myself. I was also a regular power rep for both Circuit City and CompUSA and yes a lot of the times if was the chains fault as well as Apple's fault. I never fed rumors or misinformation to people. In fact I discouraged any spreading of rumors as just a waste of time. I no longer work with them since I switched jobs and moved. Come see my real job and my education and then tell me how I am not knowledgeable about a "REAL JOB".
While I have seen my share of bad reps from Marketsource, I have also seen stores who did not care about Apple products. In the area I was in I had 4 Circuit Citys to work with on a weekly basis. Only one had a manager truly interested in selling the product. One store had employees who use to purposely break the keyboards on the iBooks. How do I know it was employees? Managers fired one for doing it. Other stores just did not care. No matter how I try and train them in Circuit City most of them took the attitude that Macs sell themselves and only sold them when someone asked about them. Only one or two guys in a total of 4 stores had any actual interest in it. Most of the Circuit City guys care about the commission and who ever had the higher commission got pushed harder. Basic fact and anyone can confirm it for you who works there.
The CompUSA I worked at was a tad better. They had managers and sales people actually interested in selling the computers. As for the department falling apart yes that happens. My time though wasn't allocated towards straightening things up. It was more allocated towards sales and training. I barely get 30 minutes out of 1.5 hours of time to do the clean up. Barely 30 minutes because my travel time was included. I get paid for 1.5 hours and thats all I can afford to spend there. Apple should have allowed more time or they should have got on the store people to do their stinking job and straighten the Apple section. The Apple rep's job was not to straighten the store. Thats the store peoples job. Thats why they have paid people to do the job.

So with a broad brush stroke you accuse all power reps of being bad and excuse the stores from ignoring their own facility? Do you even know how a real job works? Work as a stocker in a retail outfit with a good management crew and see what you will be doing. You will be the one straightening the stuff and making sure its presentable. Not someone else.

I made sure I did the best I could given what Apple and Marketsource gave me.
If you were unsatisfied you need to complain to Apple as well as the store themselves. Not about the power reps.
Although there were bad power reps, there are bad apples in every bunch. The guy I replaced just up and disappeared one day without any notice.

Chisholm

Oct 24, 2002, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by iShater

I used to shop Wal-Mart all the time ... then one day I walked into Target .... end of story :D

Sounds like a Switch campaign to me!:p

vniow

Oct 24, 2002, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by digitalbiker
You are correct!

Ignore the elitist Mac users who think they are "special" because they bought a Mac. There are a few of those in every crowd, PC users have their elitist snobs too.

Look, I'm a PC user, I've never owned a Mac, so I don't think I'm 'special' like you say.
Yes there are zealots, but what we're trying to point out here are most of the people who shop at Wal-mart are not the kind of people who neccecarelly want a $399 iPod.
People shop at Wal-mart for different reason's besides price, but price is a big part of it.
A lot of people who use Macs belong to a different community then the people who use PCs and shop at Wal-mart.
I never said those people are better, just more likely to buy Mac.
What's the big ******** deal anywayz, chances are you have both a Target and a Wal-mart within driving distance so quit yer bitchin.

Insert sarcastic smiley here.

bdkennedy1

Oct 24, 2002, 05:54 PM

I'm sure Apple doesn't give a crap about whether some of you guys think it's going to be white trash to sell them at Target or not. They're going to make a lot of money. And I would think that you guys would support that given Apple's financial situation. I for one want to buy another Mac in 2-3-5 years.

solvs

Oct 24, 2002, 06:04 PM

I wondered why this thread was so long. Everybody's talking about Wal-Mart. It's a store, some people who go to some stores are poorer, some are just cheap. I myself fall somewhere in the middle and shop at all sorts of stores.

On topic, I think any exposure for Apple will be good at this point.

To those confused, the Windows version of the iPod WILL NOT work like the Mac version on a Mac. Technically, you may be able to use it as a hard drive, but it will not function as a Mac iPod. Not to mention the fact that the Windows version has a 4 pin firewire connection, not the 6 pin you find on Macs (and actually a lot of PCs). There may be a way to do it, but as someone else posted, Apple says you can't (or they won't).

You don't need a hack to use an iPod with both. Like someone else said, just buy xPlay. Mediafour makes some great cross-platform software. It would have been easier for Apple just to sell 1 iPod (with 3 different drive sizes) and include xPlay, instead of a Windows version incompatible with Apple, and vice versa.

Of course, if you buy a Windows iPod, and love it so much you buy a Mac, you'd have to format it to work as a regular Mac version. Then you'd have to buy xPlay or not use it on your PC, because the PC wouldn't recognize it anymore. Even as a hard drive. And since Apple won't support it after you format it, it might not work as an iPod anymore and you'd have a very expensive little hard drive.

Or a paperweight if it doesn't work at all.

Nebrie

Oct 24, 2002, 06:08 PM

One more thing. In case you haven't noticed, Apple has spent over half a billion dollars to build up a brand image. They realize they can't compete with dirt cheap pc makers so they built up a brand. Brands often command higher prices, making Macs more justifiable. Apple can sell at Target because of what Target's ad campaign has done for it's image. It's very complimentary. Walmart on the other hand will destroy their brand image they worked so hard to build up. Any company with any marketing company knows that. If they don't, they won't be in business very long.

People don't go into walmart looking for a good product, there are other stores for that. They just want some dirt cheap crap.

Hawthorne

Oct 24, 2002, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Nebrie
One more thing. In case you haven't noticed, Apple has spent over half a billion dollars to build up a brand image. They realize they can't compete with dirt cheap pc makers so they built up a brand. Brands often command higher prices, making Macs more justifiable. Apple can sell at Target because of what Target's ad campaign has done for it's image. It's very complimentary. Walmart on the other hand will destroy their brand image they worked so hard to build up. Any company with any marketing company knows that. If they don't, they won't be in business very long.

People don't go into walmart looking for a good product, there are other stores for that. They just want some dirt cheap crap.

Bingo!
I live within walking distance of a Walmart, a K-Mart and a Target. I wear clothes bought from all three (okay, I just bought socks at KMart.... :) ). I go to Walmart when I want something cheap, Target when I want something cheap that doesn't suck too much (look at the home furnishings aisles in both stores), and the K-Mart closed down six months ago :D.

It's not the Walmart is better than Target, it's that Target has built up a brand identity based on *style* and convience, and WalMart's is based on *price* and convenience. Both have equally clueless highschoolers behind the counter, and both are not the pinnacle of retail buying, but when's the last time you saw a Target ad stressing low prices over style?

WalMart has done some amazing stuff with distribution that is the model for all retail, and has their niche (and a very successful on at that). But for a brand like Apple, who has placed their own retail stores in upscale malls, and has always stressed user experience over price, teaming up with Target is a great idea.

Sorry to inject an element of logic and sanity to this debate, you may continue with your name-calling and taunting. :D ;)

iShater

Oct 24, 2002, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Chisholm

Sounds like a Switch campaign to me!:p

I used to be a PC user ... then one day I walked into the Apple Store ... well ... I can't afford any computers at the moment, so To Be Continued ... :D

Off Topic I know.

Anyways, Wal-Mart is the low-cost provider, it competes on the basis of the lowest cost for stuff. They achieve that through good inventory management, good deals, etc. Target might not be as cheap, but it is still reasonable, and what they try to sell to differentiate themselves seems to be image of the store - like that dog with the Target eye.

Whether they sell iPods at Wal-Mar, Target, or -God forbid- Kmart, it doesn't matter, bust most likely it won't show up at Wal-Mart.

Now I have to go investigate Wal-Mart to see if they have any MP3 players ... and if the customer service improved ;)

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by cubist
... that if someone (me, for example :) ) buys a windows iPod at Target, it will work with my mac?

Yes. Read this thread I started it will explain why I am so affirmative.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13087

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by LethalWolfe

If both Mac and PC iPods have the same level of functionality when connected to a Mac I don't understand why anyone would buy a "Mac only" iPod.

I own (and work with) both Macs and PCs and being able to easily use an iPod to Xfer files cross-platform just gave the iPod a bump up on my "things I want" list. As a "Mac only" device it wasn't worth the cost to me, but as a cross-platform device I just might have to grab one.

Lethal

Actually the PC-iPod has a bit more functionality. I think you picked up on this from one of my previous posts but the Mac-iPod does not work with a PC period unless reformated. The PC-iPod works out of the box with PCs and Macs therefore you can transfer files between the two.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by digitalbiker
Boy, thats news to the Walmart shoppers of the world.

I just have one question and I want this answered by someone who has never bought a single item from Walmart in his or her life.

What's it like to not be white trash?

Huh?... NO responses, I guess we must all be guilty of shopping at Walmart and we are all white trash.:D

Actually, I have never bought anything from Walmart. Mainly for there dirty corporate business practices. When they were building them at least here in the NW they wouldn't build them in a large town originally. Instead they built them in outlying areas in towns with 10K or less population. The result was to put all competing businesses out of business because when they first open they lower all the prices to the point that no one can compete. After the local businesses have been destroyed they raised there prices back to normal levels. Soon after this happens they realize they can't support a store of there size in a small town so they promptly close the store and finally move to the larger market. This leaves the small town completely dead. Also Wal-Mart has a nasty habit of selling edited music and DVDs as the original verison. Which really pissed off a friend of mine when he bought there and found out later.

I can't say that I have never been in one. When I was in the local one I felt dirty just being in the parking lot. This had a lot to do with the business practices I mentioned before hand. Once I entered the store I wondered if I could make it back out the door with all my teeth in tact and without a raging case of head lice.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by TEG
Also... Why can't Apple make an iPod that is both Mac and PC compatible. Add some PC compatibility to OSX and then configure iTunes to work with it. That way it doesn't matter, they are all the same so no confusion for the newbies.

TEG

There is no need to add the PC compatibility to OSX it's all ther already. There is no need for confusion with nubies. Just read all the posts I have made. The PC iPod works with Macs and PCs. The Mac iPod works with Macs. Both iPods are exactly the same hardware. The only difference between the iPods is the format and software on the iPod itself. This can be changed either way now thanks to a recent upgrade of the Windows iPod software. Previously you couldn't download the Win-iPod software anywhere so you couldn't make a Mac-iPod Win compatible.

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Shrek

Selling iPods at Wal-mart is actually a very intelligent idea and would be a smart move for Apple. This is because Apple is trying to get more PC users to switch to the Mac by showing them how good it can really be. Now you can be sure that since PC users like cheap stuff, then a lot of them must shop at Wal-Mart because Wal-mart has low prices. If this is true then the iPod can really reach those masses and masses of Windows users that Apple is targeting, even if Wal-mart can't sell the iPod at low prices (which I think they can, Look here (http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=970381)).

Forget about Mac users shopping at Wal-mart though, for ya'll are just obsessed with expensive stuff! But let PC users shop for cheap if that's the way they want to shop. Think about it, stupid! :mad:

Put this together with all the posts and you have a grand vision of the average PC user.

They drive a big truck, have black teeth (at least the ones they still have), have head lice, say huyuck a lot, and date there own kin. :D

MacBandit

Oct 24, 2002, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by beatle888

Hey Asshole
thats Fncked up. wallmart is inexpensive and
some people are not fortunate enough to shop
anywhere else. one of my best friends is so
poor she does here grocery shopping at the
99cent store, has all her teeth and doesn't judge
people by how much cash they have....dick.

Hey calm down no reason to get personal. I didn't point anyone out directly just the general overview of the local customer base at the Walmarts in this town. I know what it's like to po, I worked myself up out of it.

MacBandit

Oct 25, 2002, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by solvs
I wondered why this thread was so long. Everybody's talking about Wal-Mart. It's a store, some people who go to some stores are poorer, some are just cheap. I myself fall somewhere in the middle and shop at all sorts of stores.

On topic, I think any exposure for Apple will be good at this point.

To those confused, the Windows version of the iPod WILL NOT work like the Mac version on a Mac. Technically, you may be able to use it as a hard drive, but it will not function as a Mac iPod. Not to mention the fact that the Windows version has a 4 pin firewire connection, not the 6 pin you find on Macs (and actually a lot of PCs). There may be a way to do it, but as someone else posted, Apple says you can't (or they won't).

You don't need a hack to use an iPod with both. Like someone else said, just buy xPlay. Mediafour makes some great cross-platform software. It would have been easier for Apple just to sell 1 iPod (with 3 different drive sizes) and include xPlay, instead of a Windows version incompatible with Apple, and vice versa.

Of course, if you buy a Windows iPod, and love it so much you buy a Mac, you'd have to format it to work as a regular Mac version. Then you'd have to buy xPlay or not use it on your PC, because the PC wouldn't recognize it anymore. Even as a hard drive. And since Apple won't support it after you format it, it might not work as an iPod anymore and you'd have a very expensive little hard drive.

Or a paperweight if it doesn't work at all.

Read my thread I started last week. I recently had a PC iPod in hand and had to use it with a Mac. I repeat myself when I say there is no difference between the two. It was 5gig Windows iPod the software on board also said Windows. It did not have the small firewire connector. It worked with the Mac flawlessly iTunes started up just the way it's suppose to. Apple also has a couple support documents explaining how to make a PC iPod into a Mac iPod. They also say in them that it's possible to make a Mac iPod into a PC iPod as long as you have the software disc that comes with the PC iPod(this is no longer necessary since Apple posted a software download for the Windows-iPod software.

I have done real hands on research with this stuff and know what I'm talking about. I recommend that you think before you speak and read what has been written also. If you have evidence for what you say back it up.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13087

Phaedrus

Oct 25, 2002, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by zarathustra

Target has a better target customer (pun intended). Every time I walk into Walmart, I feel like I am in Arkansas during a NASCAR meet. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but people at Walmart might not understand why a music doohickey costs 399, when they can get a walkman for 9.99.

Yeah, just for the record, let's remind ourselves that for millions of working-class Americans luxuries such as the ipod are out of reach--Wal-Mart's demographic. Target's demographic is the frugal yuppie, college kid, and upwardly mobile apartment dweller, who can afford to drop $100 on a Mossimo leather jacket or $50 on a commodified deco floor lamp. The Wal-Mart crowd may understand very well why that "music doohickey" costs $399, but they'll have to opt for the $9.99 walkman, not because they don't know the difference or don't desire to have nice things, but because that's all they can afford.

AxelFonze

Oct 25, 2002, 02:06 AM

Maybe I'm wrong or something, but aren't a large portion of the products sold at Target and WalMart the same brands? (especially the electronics sections) The have the same DVD's, same stereos, video game systems, TV's, Software, home appliances, etc etc etc. I think that Walmart sells just as many (formerly) $300 Playstation 2's as Target, speaker systems, Powertools, etc. Just my 2 cents. (I agree that the images are the same, but I'm saying that both stores sell alot of $300 range electronics.)

medea

Oct 25, 2002, 08:43 AM

Macbandit, you keep saying that the Windows iPod will work fine with both the mac and windows, but I belive this is untrue. This is what Apple say's on the subject:
-I have a computer at home and one at work. Can I update my iPod music collection from more than one computer?
Yes. When you first connect iPod to your computer, iPod recognizes that computer as its “home” computer. Each time you connect, iPod automatically downloads the music library stored on it. When you connect iPod to a different computer, iPod asks for permission before synchronizing with this music library. If you choose Auto-sync, iPod recognizes the second computer as its home computer and breaks the link with the original computer. If you do not choose Auto-sync, iPod switches to manual update mode, allowing you to selectively drag songs, albums, or playlists from the second computer to your iPod.
Synchronization occurs only in one direction, from your computer to your iPod. This means you cannot transfer music, automatically or manually, from your iPod to a computer, and you cannot use iPod to copy a music library from one computer to another.
Can I update more than one iPod with my computer?
Yes. Each iPod communicates a unique device identification number to your computer, allowing you to take advantage of automatic music transfers to your iPod even if you share a computer with another iPod user. You can choose to automatically update your entire music collection on multiple iPod players or choose to update selected playlists, allowing you to transfer custom playlists to individual iPod players.
-I have both a Mac and a PC. Will my iPod work on both?
No, iPod is specially configured for either Mac or PC. iPod for Mac comes in the HFS+ file format which is optimized for performance and usability in Mac OS X and 9. iPod for Windows comes in the FAT32 file format which is optimized for performance and usability in Windows ME, 2000, and XP.

If you purchased an iPod for Windows, you can easily reformat it to work on your Mac by downloading the iPod for Mac Software Updater on the Apple web site. Note that once it is reformatted, it will only work with Macs. You need Mac OS 9.2 or Mac OS X version 10.1 or later to reformat an iPod for Windows into an iPod for Mac.

If you purchased iPod for Mac and would like to reformat it to work with a PC, you can download the iPod PC updater from the Apple web site. Before you reformat your iPod, make sure to back-up the contents because they will be erased during the reformatting process. Please visit http://www.musicmatch.com/ipodforwin.htm to download MUSICMATCH Jukebox 7.1 for iPod from the MUSICMATCH web site in order to manage and transfer your music to iPod.

Reformatting your iPod for Mac to work with Windows is an unsupported operation.

Using the iPod for Mac on a PC, or using the iPod for Windows on a Mac, is not supported by Apple.

-Can I use my existing iPod for Mac on a PC, or my iPod for Windows on a Mac?
Using the iPod for Mac on a PC, or using the iPod for Windows on a Mac, is not supported by Apple.

You say it's fine and works great, but I'd say most (definitely not all) users tend not to try things that arn't supported by Apple.

Also this probably isn't even an issue anymore because, as I posted before, Cnet states that Target said they will be carrying BOTH the Windows and Mac versions.

Roger1

Oct 25, 2002, 11:50 AM

I used to own an Eagle Talon. I was a great little car. However, when it came time to buy tires, I chose the local tire dealer. I ended up with 2 Dunlops, and an over $400 dollar bill for them. 12,000 miles later, I needed new tires again. I bought 4 Goodyear Eagles at Sams club, for less than $300, including mounting, balancing,and warrantee. I don't think the national tire chains can touch that price.
That is why people shop at Sam's (and Walmart).

Yeah, I know, its not Mac related, just my .02 worth of opinion. :)

eric_n_dfw

Oct 25, 2002, 03:49 PM

... here's my 2 cents.

My experience (from Phoenix, Tucson and Dallas/Ft.Worth) is that Target stores are always cleaner, have bigger isles (without a million items clogging up the middle of them), a better selection and their staff just seems nicer. Target treats me more as a customer than just another person to process.

One of the nice things about Target's housewares and clothes is that it is, basically, Mervyn's stuff. They're both owned by Dayton Hudson's and share manufacturers. (Different names on the tags though)

I think the iPod at Target will sell very well.

edit: One more thing - Target Super Centers have been going up here in DFW a lot - we've been shopping for groceries there almost exclusevly because they don't make you carry one of those stupid discount cards just to get their sale prices. (Out here Kroger, Tom Thumb/Safeway, and Albertsons all have those evil things now)

synergy

Oct 25, 2002, 04:58 PM

You know what this is?

This is a trojan horse.
The lame PC box makers were not wanting to put firewire into their dumb little boxes. Well if the PC users demand it since certain digital lifestyle products work with it, guess what? They will put it in. Or in the alternative people will add it themselves. Means Apple pushes firewire at the expense of USB2.0.
Of course as well the Apple logo gets permanently etched onto the brains of PC lusers through voodoo as well. ;)

synergy

Oct 25, 2002, 05:01 PM

As a side note. I don't know why Apple did not buy Corel for Wordperfect when they had the chance in the past. Maybe the deal with Microsoft prevented them.
Even ignoring that Apple should make an Appleworks for the PC. Call it Clarisworks and sell it on the PC. Heck get some bundling deals going with the PC box makers. That way there is a cross platform office program to start selling and as well Apple can make some dollars off of the PC lusers too.

eric_n_dfw

Oct 25, 2002, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by synergy
You know what this is?

This is a trojan horse.
The lame PC box makers were not wanting to put firewire into their dumb little boxes. Well if the PC users demand it since certain digital lifestyle products work with it, guess what? They will put it in. Or in the alternative people will add it themselves. Means Apple pushes firewire at the expense of USB2.0.
Of course as well the Apple logo gets permanently etched onto the brains of PC lusers through voodoo as well. ;)
Apple lifted Firewire tradmark fees quite a while ago. It's an IEEE standard so I don't think Apple is making any money off Sony or anyone else that includes 'em. (TI is making a bit since they make a lot of the chips though) Besides that, most non-geeks have no idea that it is an Apple invented product anyway.

eric_n_dfw

Oct 25, 2002, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by synergy
You know what this is?

This is a trojan horse.
The lame PC box makers were not wanting to put firewire into their dumb little boxes. Well if the PC users demand it since certain digital lifestyle products work with it, guess what? They will put it in. Or in the alternative people will add it themselves. Means Apple pushes firewire at the expense of USB2.0.
Of course as well the Apple logo gets permanently etched onto the brains of PC lusers through voodoo as well. ;)
...but - the real trojan horse would be if the PC versions came with a cross-platform manual:

Table of contents:
Using iPod with Mac OS X: page 1
Using iPod with Windows: pages 2-50

:D

solvs

Oct 25, 2002, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I have done real hands on research with this stuff and know what I'm talking about. I recommend that you think before you speak and read what has been written also. If you have evidence for what you say back it up.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13087

Relax dude, no need to get personnal.

I hadn't read your eariler post, and I'm glad you got yours to work. I got my information from the same place that Medea did (Apple itself). I guess it's possible to get it to work (as you have said), but it is not supported, and apparently they tell their Apple Store employees it just won't work. That's what several of them told me. And some of them actually seemed to know what they were talking about.

According to the iPod FAQ, you aren't supposed to use the same iPod for more than one computer, especially a Mac and a PC. You can reformat in either HFS+ or FAT32, according to the FAQ, and reinstall the software. And I know that you can use the Windows version as a hard drive on your Mac. But that won't help much if you want to use it as a Mac and PC drive and MP3 player. The same FAQ says the Windows version comes with a 6 to 4 pin firewire adapter. If it comes with a 6 to 6 pin cable as well, I wasn't aware of that.

If you got yours to work as both a hard drive and MP3 player on both types of computers, without any modifications, then hopefully everyone else can too. I don't know why Apple doesn't advertise this (or officially support it as an option). Most people won't be buying 2 iPods. And I always thought it was stupid for Apple to get people to buy Windows iPods, like them so much they buy a Mac, and not be able to use their iPods on their new Macs without re-formating it and re-installing the software.

Are you using both iTunes on you Mac and MusicMatch on your PC? Do they work together? Or are you using it to transfer MP3s as a hard drive? Details.

No need to get snippy, just asking.

rainman::|:|

Oct 25, 2002, 10:42 PM

Lets say this. i'm not going to go to a place where the cashiers are openly rude and the employees are slovenly and ignorant to buy a $400 electronic item. i wouldn't trust the quality of the product after wal-mart had their hands on it for a while. I don't care about price, walmart's customer service is absurd... i wonder if it's like that everywhere or just here in iowa. a while back, we suggested that a cashier had a bad attitude because he stopped and sighed loudly when we asked him to do something-- he starts yelling at us and waves a cop over, like we're going to do something. Walmart is white trash, whether or not you like the term, it's the only one that's remotely accurate.

Target on the other hand, is going with designers like Graves and Staark (as was said earlier), has *decent* customer service, clean stores, overall nice merchandise... the guys working the electronics counter could probably tell you what an iPod's for, at least..

sorry about my rant, i'm just really pissed about walmarts. almost every time i go in one, someone is overtly rude to me. And almost every time i go into a target, i come out with armsloads of merchandise :) so i'm happy about this... i'll finally get an ipod thanks to my target card :)

pnw

MacBandit

Oct 26, 2002, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by synergy
As a side note. I don't know why Apple did not buy Corel for Wordperfect when they had the chance in the past. Maybe the deal with Microsoft prevented them.
Even ignoring that Apple should make an Appleworks for the PC. Call it Clarisworks and sell it on the PC. Heck get some bundling deals going with the PC box makers. That way there is a cross platform office program to start selling and as well Apple can make some dollars off of the PC lusers too.

That's a great idea. My AppleWorks 6 cd says on it, "Mac OS 8.1 or later (built for Mac OS X) and Windows 95/98/Me/2000/XP".

Seems to me they beat you to that part of it. Though I agree they should work on a packaging deal.

MacBandit

Oct 26, 2002, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by solvs

Relax dude, no need to get personnal.

I hadn't read your eariler post, and I'm glad you got yours to work. I got my information from the same place that Medea did (Apple itself). I guess it's possible to get it to work (as you have said), but it is not supported, and apparently they tell their Apple Store employees it just won't work. That's what several of them told me. And some of them actually seemed to know what they were talking about.

According to the iPod FAQ, you aren't supposed to use the same iPod for more than one computer, especially a Mac and a PC. You can reformat in either HFS+ or FAT32, according to the FAQ, and reinstall the software. And I know that you can use the Windows version as a hard drive on your Mac. But that won't help much if you want to use it as a Mac and PC drive and MP3 player. The same FAQ says the Windows version comes with a 6 to 4 pin firewire adapter. If it comes with a 6 to 6 pin cable as well, I wasn't aware of that.

If you got yours to work as both a hard drive and MP3 player on both types of computers, without any modifications, then hopefully everyone else can too. I don't know why Apple doesn't advertise this (or officially support it as an option). Most people won't be buying 2 iPods. And I always thought it was stupid for Apple to get people to buy Windows iPods, like them so much they buy a Mac, and not be able to use their iPods on their new Macs without re-formating it and re-installing the software.

Are you using both iTunes on you Mac and MusicMatch on your PC? Do they work together? Or are you using it to transfer MP3s as a hard drive? Details.

No need to get snippy, just asking.

Sorry I went off a little bit. I just get frustrated sometimes when I have already posted about the subject with all the evidence and someone tries to refute fact.

Well the PC iPod does come with an adaptor I think it must be for PCs because the iPod itself has the full 6 pin connector on it. The 4pin connector doesn't carry power on it does it? That would mean you couldn't charge your iPod using your computer.

You can not transfer MP3's from one computer to the next using iTunes or MusicMatch. The iPod encodes your mp3s (when they are installed on it as music files) to only work with the computer they came from. This is to prevent piracy. You can use the hard drive functionality of it.

The PC iPod will work as an MP3 player or a hard drive right out of the box. With a Mac you need no extra software. With a PC the software that comes with it is all you need. Though it's rather buggy with some PCs. If you have been using the iPod to play MP3s from one computer matters not the type pc/mac you will have to wipe the MP3s off the drive before putting music on it from another computer.

I hope this helps.

zarathustra

Oct 26, 2002, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Phaedrus

Yeah, just for the record, let's remind ourselves that for millions of working-class Americans luxuries such as the ipod are out of reach--Wal-Mart's demographic. Target's demographic is the frugal yuppie, college kid, and upwardly mobile apartment dweller, who can afford to drop $100 on a Mossimo leather jacket or $50 on a commodified deco floor lamp. The Wal-Mart crowd may understand very well why that "music doohickey" costs $399, but they'll have to opt for the $9.99 walkman, not because they don't know the difference or don't desire to have nice things, but because that's all they can afford.

Chill, man. You are taking this way too much to heart. Maybe if the shirt fits...

ibookin'

Oct 26, 2002, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit

You can not transfer MP3's from one computer to the next using iTunes or MusicMatch. The iPod encodes your mp3s (when they are installed on it as music files) to only work with the computer they came from. This is to prevent piracy. You can use the hard drive functionality of it.

Odd how I have been able to get music off an iPod through the Terminal then play it in iTunes, even though they're "encoded." Does the Terminal app automatically decode copyrighted music off an iPod??

MacBandit

Oct 26, 2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny

Odd how I have been able to get music off an iPod through the Terminal then play it in iTunes, even though they're "encoded." Does the Terminal app automatically decode copyrighted music off an iPod??

I think I mistated it when I said the MP3s themselves are encoded. I believe the iPod software itself keeps you from downloading the MP3s off the iPod on a computer that they are not from.

You may have found a work around for this.:)

Rower_CPU

Oct 26, 2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
...but - the real trojan horse would be if the PC versions came with a cross-platform manual:

Table of contents:
Using iPod with Mac OS X: page 1
Using iPod with Windows: pages 2-50

:D

I think that's the best post in this whole thread. :)

I always get a good chuckle out of those manuals...

bunton

Oct 26, 2002, 10:30 PM

I dont give a **** where this ****er is sold but I wnat one but it is 5 ****ing huundr-****ing-ed dollars mother ****s. Damn why cant it be cheaper maybe if it goes to Target Targot? it will be cheaper?

[Admin Edit: user banned]

bunton

Oct 26, 2002, 10:32 PM

for swearing so much, but i am so emotionall about this five hundred dolar ****ing **** ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

arn

Oct 26, 2002, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by bunton
for swearing so much, but i am so emotionall about this five hundred dolar ****ing **** ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Public service note. This is how to get banned.

arn

Rajj

Oct 26, 2002, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by bunton
for swearing so much, but i am so emotionall about this five hundred dolar ****ing **** ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

UHHHHHH.....There are more cost efficient models you know!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

Rajj

Oct 26, 2002, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit

I think I mistated it when I said the MP3s themselves are encoded. I believe the iPod software itself keeps you from downloading the MP3s off the iPod on a computer that they are not from.

You may have found a work around for this.:)

Where have you been???? There are all types ofutilities (http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOSX&search=ipod) that allow you to copy songs from the iPod to iTunes!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

MacBandit

Oct 27, 2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by xrhajj

Where have you been???? There are all types ofutilities (http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOSX&search=ipod) that allow you to copy songs from the iPod to iTunes!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

I haven't had a iPod to even play with until very recently. Also I couldn't care if I could copy mp3s from one computer to another. That in general is just piracy and I have no need for that.

Rajj

Oct 27, 2002, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit

Also I couldn't care if I could copy mp3s from one computer to another. That in general is just piracy and I have no need for that.

Ohhh really?????
You say that now....I'll check back with you later, and we will see if you have changed your mind!!!;) ;) :p

chewbaccapits

Oct 27, 2002, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by solvs
I wondered why this thread was so long. Everybody's talking about Wal-Mart. It's a store, some people who go to some stores are poorer, some are just cheap. I myself fall somewhere in the middle and shop at all sorts of stores.

On topic, I think any exposure for Apple will be good at this point.

To those confused, the Windows version of the iPod WILL NOT work like the Mac version on a Mac. Technically, you may be able to use it as a hard drive, but it will not function as a Mac iPod. Not to mention the fact that the Windows version has a 4 pin firewire connection, not the 6 pin you find on Macs (and actually a lot of PCs). There may be a way to do it, but as someone else posted, Apple says you can't (or they won't).

You don't need a hack to use an iPod with both. Like someone else said, just buy xPlay. Mediafour makes some great cross-platform software. It would have been easier for Apple just to sell 1 iPod (with 3 different drive sizes) and include xPlay, instead of a Windows version incompatible with Apple, and vice versa.

Of course, if you buy a Windows iPod, and love it so much you buy a Mac, you'd have to format it to work as a regular Mac version. Then you'd have to buy xPlay or not use it on your PC, because the PC wouldn't recognize it anymore. Even as a hard drive. And since Apple won't support it after you format it, it might not work as an iPod anymore and you'd have a very expensive little hard drive.

Or a paperweight if it doesn't work at all.

Thanks Solvs...you answered my question..

Wow, I asked way back when to see if a hack was needed and all you guys are doing is dogging on Wal-mart...I wonder if these are the same jackholes who used to rag on people who shopped at Pic and Save or 99 cent store..:p Grow up.