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Apple Key
Mar 8, 2012, 01:39 PM
I was wondering why the forums haven't had a redesign to match the updated design of the website. Is it a limitation of the forum software? Is something currently in the works?

LostSoul80
Mar 8, 2012, 01:43 PM
Has the website's design changed?

vBulletin allows the use of any theme you can buy or find for free, so this is not a problem at all.

rdowns
Mar 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
Like Apple, MacRumors no longer cares about its pro users. :D

Apple Key
Mar 8, 2012, 07:10 PM
I'd love to see some fancy CSS3 rounded corners and updated images to match. Slight adjusting of the colors...

BreakGuy
Mar 8, 2012, 08:02 PM
I can agree with this. Be nice to get some of that Maroon Red around here too.

cerote
Mar 9, 2012, 12:43 AM
Change can anger some(many) people. Seen it with a redesign of another site.

Peace
Mar 9, 2012, 12:48 AM
Change comes from within.

mrsir2009
Mar 9, 2012, 01:27 AM
Yeah it looks a bit boxy and 90s. It'd be cool if the colours and design were smoother, more muted and rounder :)

cambookpro
Mar 9, 2012, 01:40 AM
I'd support a bit more of a modern style. The forum does look a tad old now.

Comeagain?
Mar 9, 2012, 01:40 AM
Yeah it looks a bit boxy and 90s. It'd be cool if the colours and design were smoother, more muted and rounder :)

Welcome to vbulletin.

A big change would just confuse so many members. Think about how many stupid threads there are. Every one of those were created by someone who is going to be so confused, they won't know where to post.

Hexiii
Mar 9, 2012, 02:56 AM
Yeah, the new (https://www.vbulletin.com/index.php?do=screenshots) vBulletin looks good. It would be nice in red/white color.

Angelo95210
Mar 9, 2012, 03:02 AM
I don't care about the design, much more about the content. So I am happy with the existing design even it looks a bit old.

Intell
Mar 9, 2012, 03:10 AM
MacRumors did undergo a slight updating within the past six months. Had lots of feedback, both bad and good. Mostly new colours and changing of the page width.

andalusia
Mar 9, 2012, 03:21 AM
From the look of it, I seem to be one of the few who thinks that the forum design doesn't need changing. It works, it does what it needs to.. why fix what isn't broken?

Comeagain?
Mar 9, 2012, 03:25 AM
From the look of it, I seem to be one of the few who thinks that the forum design doesn't need changing. It works, it does what it needs to.. why fix what isn't broken?

Cause mass confusion?

andalusia
Mar 9, 2012, 03:37 AM
Cause mass confusion?

Ah I see. It's not about fixing.. it's about breaking :D

Macman45
Mar 9, 2012, 03:41 AM
I've seen sites die and members leave on other forums, MR works, it's plain functional and bells and whistles do not appeal to me one bit. As posted, why fix what isn't broken?

GGJstudios
Mar 9, 2012, 05:41 AM
I come here for the content, not the container. I think it looks fine the way it is.

SandboxGeneral
Mar 9, 2012, 06:27 AM
I like the current look, it's simple, easy to use and minimalistic. If there were a redesign, I'm not opposed to it, so long as it maintains the minimalistic look and feel.

Apple Key
Mar 9, 2012, 07:59 AM
I'm not thinking a complete redesign and restructuring (which I agree could confuse users). Keep the layout the same, just some minor adjustments to the look and feel.

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I don't care about the design, much more about the content. So I am happy with the existing design even it looks a bit old.

You are happy, and yet you think it looks old? I am not suggesting that the content take the back burner to the design.

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Change can anger some(many) people. Seen it with a redesign of another site.

Same thing happened when this site was redesigned a little while back. However, overall people seem to be happy and things have since settled down.

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I've seen sites die and members leave on other forums, MR works, it's plain functional and bells and whistles do not appeal to me one bit. As posted, why fix what isn't broken?

If Apple thought like this they would never release an updated iPhone. The reason to update it is to keep it fresh, which stands a good chance of increasing the user base of the site. Believe it or not, people do care about the design (whether they take the time to consider it consciously or not).

Angelo95210
Mar 9, 2012, 10:44 AM
You are happy, and yet you think it looks old? I am not suggesting that the content take the back burner to the design.

Yes I am happy with the design like that. The website is light and neat, it's perfect. I don't care if it might look old.

charlieegan3
Mar 15, 2012, 05:42 PM
Why not just freshen things up a little? You don't need a major redesign to make it look more modern.

-Colors are fine and clean, either leave them alone or allow user themes.
-Buttons are looking a little dated though, wouldn't mind some new ones with nicer colors.
-Give users a place to add in system info on their profile (like sevenforums)
-show the number of user posts as opposed to "6502a" etc, and/or a reading of how active they are, like avg. posts per day.
-also not sure why join date is so important that it needs to go here? make it optional
-Icons for each section on the forum HP, e.g. the iphone folder has its own picture.

most of these are just ideas, could get a lot of tips from sevenforums though.

The other forums that are really nice are the stack exchange lot and although they might not count strictly as "forums" they have some great features.

Mr. Retrofire
Mar 15, 2012, 10:09 PM
I come here for the content, not the container. I think it looks fine the way it is.
Ouch!

The buttons & the design look like from 2002. I still cannot see who said "thanks" (i can in other forums), only the "stupid" up/down vote buttons. They call this a helpful design?

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@charlieegan3:
Yes, stackexchange looks nice, if you need a quick overview.

arn
Mar 16, 2012, 12:39 AM
I was wondering why the forums haven't had a redesign to match the updated design of the website. Is it a limitation of the forum software? Is something currently in the works?

Why not just freshen things up a little? You don't need a major redesign to make it look more modern.

-Colors are fine and clean, either leave them alone or allow user themes.
-Buttons are looking a little dated though, wouldn't mind some new ones with nicer colors.
-Give users a place to add in system info on their profile (like sevenforums)
-show the number of user posts as opposed to "6502a" etc, and/or a reading of how active they are, like avg. posts per day.
-also not sure why join date is so important that it needs to go here? make it optional
-Icons for each section on the forum HP, e.g. the iphone folder has its own picture.

most of these are just ideas, could get a lot of tips from sevenforums though.

The other forums that are really nice are the stack exchange lot and although they might not count strictly as "forums" they have some great features.

I'm with you.

I would like a forum refresh. In fact, ideally I'd like a dramatic forum refresh. vBulletin is a bit dated in general. I've thought about how the forum should evolve both in style and functionality.

The ambitious version of doing a forum refresh would be very ambitious and would likely piss off some of the regulars.

Of course, these all take time. vBulletin is also a bit of a beast in terms of skinning and maintaining. I have a group that might be able to do it, so there is some progress in that front.

arn

BreakGuy
Mar 16, 2012, 01:01 AM
I'm with you.

I would like a forum refresh. In fact, ideally I'd like a dramatic forum refresh. vBulletin is a bit dated in general. I've thought about how the forum should evolve both in style and functionality.

The ambitious version of doing a forum refresh would be very ambitious and would likely piss off some of the regulars.

Of course, these all take time. vBulletin is also a bit of a beast in terms of skinning and maintaining. I have a group that might be able to do it, so there is some progress in that front.

arnWhy not just change things one at a time over a space of a few months instead of all at once? Then the regulars will have to put so much effort into adjusting to the new forum.

Apple Key
Mar 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
I'm with you.

I would like a forum refresh. In fact, ideally I'd like a dramatic forum refresh. vBulletin is a bit dated in general. I've thought about how the forum should evolve both in style and functionality.

The ambitious version of doing a forum refresh would be very ambitious and would likely piss off some of the regulars.

Of course, these all take time. vBulletin is also a bit of a beast in terms of skinning and maintaining. I have a group that might be able to do it, so there is some progress in that front.

arn

What type of ideas did you have in mind for a dramatic forum refresh?

I have been mostly thinking about the design and not functionality. But, I could definitely see some changes in functionality having a positive effect.

I may be able to help out if you are interested.

arn
Mar 16, 2012, 03:24 PM
What type of ideas did you have in mind for a dramatic forum refresh?

I have been mostly thinking about the design and not functionality. But, I could definitely see some changes in functionality having a positive effect.

I may be able to help out if you are interested.

For example, I think the last replied ordered thread list is a bad choice for a default view. It is so volatile and hard to follow in a busy forum.

arn

WillEH
Mar 18, 2012, 12:57 PM
Why change something, that doesn't need changing? Everything works fine, no problems with the forum. It's nice and simple, remember it's about the discussions, not how many gadgets or how pretty the forum is.

Feed Me
Mar 18, 2012, 01:04 PM
The best-looking forum I've ever seen uses IPB with a nice theme
(http://www.invisionpower.com/products/board/)

Maybe worth looking at.

davidinva
Mar 18, 2012, 01:11 PM
Would be nice to have a "next" button, but that appears to be a V-Bulletin thing.

Comeagain?
Mar 18, 2012, 01:38 PM
Would be nice to have a "next" button, but that appears to be a V-Bulletin thing.

We are on vBulletin.

The best-looking forum I've ever seen uses IPB with a nice theme
(http://www.invisionpower.com/products/board/)

Maybe worth looking at.

If we must change, let's go to Xenforo.

-aggie-
Mar 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
I'm fine with as it now is, especially after they've added some new options recently (like quote notifications). However, Search could be improved, so I don't have to use Google.

Comeagain?
Mar 18, 2012, 03:06 PM
I'm fine with as it now is, especially after they've added some new options recently (like quote notifications). However, Search could be improved, so I don't have to use Google.

We have a google search function, I just wish it was in the search bar that's on every page, not under the search drop down.

arn
Mar 18, 2012, 03:10 PM
I'm fine with as it now is, especially after they've added some new options recently (like quote notifications). However, Search could be improved, so I don't have to use Google.

Search is probably as good as it'll get. Any specific search term issues?

arn

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Why change something, that doesn't need changing? Everything works fine, no problems with the forum. It's nice and simple, remember it's about the discussions, not how many gadgets or how pretty the forum is.

I don't agree that "everything works fine."

arn

GGJstudios
Mar 18, 2012, 03:12 PM
Search is probably as good as it'll get. Any specific search term issues?

arn
I can think of a number of ways search could be improved/enhanced, but the likelihood of them being implemented is slim. They're probably too complex to bother with. Search works fairly well, as it is, but there's always room for improvement. It would be nice if people would actually try searching more often.

WillEH
Mar 18, 2012, 03:17 PM
Search is probably as good as it'll get. Any specific search term issues?

arn

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I don't agree that "everything works fine."

arn

I mean, works fine in the design part (as in, looks fine and doesn't need new fancy colours) The inner workings of the forum, I have no idea about.

-aggie-
Mar 18, 2012, 03:23 PM
Search is probably as good as it'll get. Any specific search term issues?

arn

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I don't agree that "everything works fine."

arn

You can't search for phrases ("battery life" "MacBook Pro") and you can't search for specific timeframes. So, I find myself using Google to search with the parameter site:Macrumors.com most of the time. The problem with the Google search is you can't specify it to certain subforums (understandably, because it's a search engine and not made for VBulletin).

Not that any of these fixes are going to fix those who never search to begin with, but it would help me to help them faster.

SandboxGeneral
Mar 18, 2012, 03:43 PM
In the area of search, I agree with -aggie- and would like to add that it would great if we could drill down further than forums and sub-forums and into individual threads. That would be helpful when you know there is a post in a real long thread, but can't quite remember where it's at.

Of course, being able to do an individual thread search would probably bring a lot of server overhead with it.

GGJstudios
Mar 18, 2012, 06:44 PM
A few capabilities that would be nice:

Have the ability to define search preferences in the User CP.


Define which forums by default you want to include/exclude in searches.


Define which time frame by default you want to use in searches.

For example, I'd like all my searches to be for posts within the past year, with the option on search results to alter or remove that criteria.

Have the ability to save searches that you perform frequently, including search terms, time frame, thread titles or posts, forums to search, etc.


Have the ability to specify to search for "this" or "that", or "this" and "that".
For example, I want to find threads on calibrating batteries, not calibrating displays.


Be able to search more frequently than every 10 seconds. This particularly applies to clicking "Find all posts by a user". You have to wait 10 seconds to search by another user.

Tilpots
Mar 18, 2012, 08:13 PM
I'll offer my thoughts:

There should only be 4 sections to this site, as I see it. The redesign should be made to make the site as simple to navigate as possible. This will make it flow and work whether on a Mac, an iPad or an iPhone.

News & Info - Buyers Guide - Forums - User CP


News & Info- Combine Front Page, Mac Blog, iOS blog and Page 2 and keep them all on one page, much the same way the mobile site currently works. Color code each category so the readers know which section their article belongs to. The articles appear in the order they're posted, but exceptional "Top Stories" could be pinned indefinitely. The recent forum material would not be on this page. Articles only!

Buyer's Guide- Functionally, this page works great right now. I would just lose the Front Page stories as the appropriate articles are already displayed next to the product. And maybe, just maybe, it's time to add the AppleTV...:p

Forums- I know a lot of this is tied to vBulletin, but it might be time to move to something more mobile friendly. But assuming you stick with vBulletin, I would only keep 3 of the subheadings: FAQ/Rules, Forum Spy and New Posts. User CP should be its own category, and the Community links would go there, too. A Search bar is already included on every page and Quick Links Are mostly redundant info anyway.

User CP- This is a very useful space now. I think it could be much more useful though if it was treated as more of a social space, kinda like you attempted to do with the last update here. Posting on others pages, adding photo galleries, listing friends and the like should encourage a more personal space, but it's really not a "beautiful" space that people want to "hang out" in. If you can let people customize their MR "home" people would socialize a lot more. Chatting is frowned upon in the forums, but it could be welcomed here. You could also add links to your favorite searches, forums or other MR spots.

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So that's briefly the direction I would head. As much as I enjoy this site, I think it can be better. Again, the goal would be consistency across platform, ease of navigation and a decidedly social element. I don't think MR should go with a standard or follow established trends, I think they should innovate, try some new ideas. Your users are some of the most tech savvy and creative folks out there and this has got to be one of the most popular communities on the web. Lead the way in this space and don't settle for what's easy. The company that brought us here didn't do it and we're only here because that's what we respect and admire.

-aggie-
Mar 18, 2012, 08:22 PM
A few capabilities that would be nice:

Have the ability to define search preferences in the User CP.


Define which forums by default you want to include/exclude in searches.


Define which time frame by default you want to use in searches.

For example, I'd like all my searches to be for posts within the past year, with the option on search results to alter or remove that criteria.

Have the ability to save searches that you perform frequently, including search terms, time frame, thread titles or posts, forums to search, etc.


Have the ability to specify to search for "this" or "that", or "this" and "that".
For example, I want to find threads on calibrating batteries, not calibrating displays.


Be able to search more frequently than every 10 seconds. This particularly applies to clicking "Find all posts by a user". You have to wait 10 seconds to search by another user.

Arn, just read this. GGJstudios identified exactly what I'd like to see in search.

arn
Mar 18, 2012, 09:45 PM
In the area of search, I agree with -aggie- and would like to add that it would great if we could drill down further than forums and sub-forums and into individual threads. That would be helpful when you know there is a post in a real long thread, but can't quite remember where it's at.

Of course, being able to do an individual thread search would probably bring a lot of server overhead with it.

There is a search for individual threads.

arn
Mar 18, 2012, 09:54 PM
You can't search for phrases ("battery life" "MacBook Pro") and you can't search for specific timeframes. So, I find myself using Google to search with the parameter site:Macrumors.com most of the time. The problem with the Google search is you can't specify it to certain subforums (understandably, because it's a search engine and not made for VBulletin).

Not that any of these fixes are going to fix those who never search to begin with, but it would help me to help them faster.

In theory, you can search phrases.

"MacBook Pro" for example (with quotes). Does that not work?

arn

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A few capabilities that would be nice:

Have the ability to define search preferences in the User CP.
Define which forums by default you want to include/exclude in searches.
Define which time frame by default you want to use in searches.



probably doable



Have the ability to save searches that you perform frequently, including search terms, time frame, thread titles or posts, forums to search, etc.



probably doable in some fashion



Have the ability to specify to search for "this" or "that", or "this" and "that".
For example, I want to find threads on calibrating batteries, not calibrating displays.



This is how it's supposed to work. Is it not working?

calibrating batteries - search for calibrating and batteries
calibrating | batteries - search for calibrating or batteries
calibrating -displays - search for calibrating, exclude results with the word displays


Be able to search more frequently than every 10 seconds. This particularly applies to clicking "Find all posts by a user". You have to wait 10 seconds to search by another user.[/LIST]

done. it's 1 second now.

arn

-aggie-
Mar 18, 2012, 10:43 PM
In theory, you can search phrases.

"MacBook Pro" for example (with quotes). Does that not work?

arn

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probably doable



probably doable in some fashion




This is how it's supposed to work. Is it not working?

calibrating batteries - search for calibrating and batteries
calibrating | batteries - search for calibrating or batteries
calibrating -displays - search for calibrating, exclude results with the word displays



done. it's 1 second now.

arn

No, the quote searches don't work correctly. For some reason it searches for the phrase, but it also includes the individual words. Try it.

Thanks for changing the repeated search times.

As far as using "and" in a search that just adds "and" as a search term.

arn
Mar 18, 2012, 10:52 PM
No, the quote searches don't work correctly. For some reason it searches for the phrase, but it also includes the individual words. Try it.

Thanks for changing the repeated search times.

As far as using "and" in a search that just adds "and" as a search term.

Ya, it seems to highlight the individual words too. But have you seen any results where there the phrase doesn't exist in the result?

arn

testing: macbook crazy

edit: yup, you're right. I'll look into it.

SandboxGeneral
Mar 19, 2012, 05:35 AM
There is a search for individual threads.

Doh! :o
Thanks. I'm accustomed to going directly to the advanced search pages and doing all of them there. I never noticed that function on the thread pages.

yanksrock100
Mar 25, 2012, 06:57 PM
A redesign would be nice! Maybe bigger buttons because alot of us are using ipad, iPhones, and Tablets. I know theres a mobile version, but its not nearly as good.

Maybe a hybrid sort of thing, with thumbnails, colors, and stuff! (http://i.imgur.com/f3YZs.png)


Just Sayin':apple: