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KittyKatta
Mar 14, 2012, 08:49 AM
I love my 11" Air but it's been causing me some eyestrain lately so I was thinking about how I may reluctantly get a 13". But then I made a bad photoshop to see how the Airs would look if they eliminated the bezels and it's really made me wonder why we need a bezel at all.

http://i51.tinypic.com/9zyc6p.jpg

They may have to make the lid less tapered and relocate/eliminate the VGA FaceTime Camera but upgrading the current models to a 13" and 14.5" screen makes more sense than adding a 3rd larger 15" Air that still has a giant bezel around it. But what do you think? :D



KohPhiPhi
Mar 14, 2012, 08:59 AM
I totally agree with you.

If you look at the MBP 17" (or many other PC laptops), the bezel around the screen is significantly thinner, so if Apple managed to reduced the bezel in the MBA models, I'm sure they could squeeze a 12" and 14" screens into the current MBA 11" and 13" models (which could also lead to higher resolution).

I think it should be a priority for the 2012 models to reduce the bezel size.

Higgs1
Mar 14, 2012, 09:18 AM
But without the bezel where are they going to label what kinda computer it is?:confused::D

robopath
Mar 14, 2012, 09:46 AM
I would guess that since the screen portion is so ridiculously thin as it is, the bezel helps keeps the screen more rigid. I'm amazed when I open my air now that there is not more give. The MBP's bezel is smaller but the screen looks to be about twice the thickness of the air. That being said, I'm sure it will get smaller in the coming years.
Nice photoshop job btw

Xikum
Mar 14, 2012, 12:32 PM
I dont think its as simple as it sounds. The screen needs to be fully supported and made 100% secure. I think that a thinner bezel would jeopardise the screen and glass security.

Also, Apple are really pushing the FaceTime interaction between all their devices; iPads, iPhones, and Macs can all interact with each other using FaceTime. Removing the camera would remove a huge part of what Apple is trying to create.

I dont see it happening.

pgiguere1
Mar 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
I would love a ultra-thin bezel, and I'm pretty sure that if it was possible, Apple would have done it.

halledise
Mar 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
agree with all the above comments, tho I'd add it's got something to do with the dimensions of the chassis that the lid sits on (if that makes sense)

Moonjumper
Mar 14, 2012, 03:42 PM
Bezels have been getting smaller on a range of devices. I hope we see it on Macs as each model gets redesigned (not when they just update the internals).

TheRealDamager
Mar 14, 2012, 04:29 PM
I would love a ultra-thin bezel, and I'm pretty sure that if it was possible, Apple would have done it.

This...

Oli3000
Mar 14, 2012, 05:14 PM
Some of the other ultra books have thinner bezels, and the screens definitely flex one. I.e. grab one corner and pull it towards you and watch the screen bend. It's a scary site.

Moonjumper
Mar 14, 2012, 06:51 PM
Some of the other ultra books have thinner bezels, and the screens definitely flex one. I.e. grab one corner and pull it towards you and watch the screen bend. It's a scary site.

A lot of laptops do that, thin bezel or not.

Gav2k
Mar 14, 2012, 06:55 PM
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All they really need to do is change the front to glass and make the boarder black like the pros. Sorted!

DDustiNN
Mar 14, 2012, 08:15 PM
A lot of laptops do that, thin bezel or not.

Yes, and they feel cheap and crappy. The MBA is my first Apple computer and I am 100% impressed with how solid and will-built it feels. I looked at other ultrabooks and they just felt cheap in comparison. Even my HP Pavillion laptop feels like a creaky plastic piece of junk now.

chuges
Mar 14, 2012, 11:49 PM
If they do utilize a smaller bezel, I think apple is more likely to make the airs narrower to hug the screen as opposed to having a larger screen to fill up the space. I don't see apple moving away from their model of 11-13-15 inch laptops, but smaller computers with the same screen size + keyboard space would be cool

tom vilsack
Mar 15, 2012, 01:33 AM
Im guessing the next airs will make use of cornings new gorilla glass...kinda like dells new ultrabook...

http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/xps.jpg

Veinticinco
Mar 15, 2012, 01:49 AM
I would love a ultra-thin bezel, and I'm pretty sure that if it was possible, Apple would have done it.

Ahem...

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9312/powerbookg4.jpg

TheRealDamager
Mar 15, 2012, 06:33 AM
Ahem...

Image (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9312/powerbookg4.jpg)

That screen is much thicker than the one on the Air. If you want a thicker screen (and therefore unit), you can get little or no bevel. I agree with the previous poster about upcoming units - since gorilla glass is now available that is thinner (like on the Dell unit), I think we will see much smaller bevels in the future.

Veinticinco
Mar 15, 2012, 06:50 AM
That screen is much thicker than the one on the Air. If you want a thicker screen (and therefore unit), you can get little or no bevel. I agree with the previous poster about upcoming units - since gorilla glass is now available that is thinner (like on the Dell unit), I think we will see much smaller bevels in the future.

Did I say the 2001 TiBook screen was comparable to the 2012 MBA one? Didn't think so.

My point was responding (hence the quote) to the poster who suggested that if it was possible, Apple would have done it by now. I don't think that's true. Unlike a decade ago, Apple these days loves an extra-thick bezel for some reason, whether it's on the black glass MBP or the MBA or the iPad even.

It's got nothing to do with engineering specs or the availability of Gorilla Glass or otherwise. The MBA bezel in particular is ridiculously thick and there's simply no reason to make it such apart from it being part of their current design palette. It's beyond ugly and inelegant on a machine that is the opposite in every other way.

KittyKatta
Mar 15, 2012, 08:11 AM
My point was responding (hence the quote) to the poster who suggested that if it was possible, Apple would have done it by now. I don't think that's true. Unlike a decade ago, Apple these days loves an extra-thick bezel for some reason, whether it's on the black glass MBP or the MBA or the iPad even.

It's got nothing to do with engineering specs or the availability of Gorilla Glass or otherwise. The MBA bezel in particular is ridiculously thick and there's simply no reason to make it such apart from it being part of their current design palette. It's beyond ugly and inelegant on a machine that is the opposite in every other way.
I have to agree with this because, as much as I love Apple products, the "if it was possible, Apple would have done it" statement has never been true since Apple is notorious for holding back expected features in order to include them next generation as a marquee selling point.:D

Another reason why I feel it's a fan-made excuse is because the whole point of Apple using a unibody enclosure is to increase durability while still enabling it to be thin. I can't think of a notebook out there that is more durable than ANY of the current MacBooks so how is it that everyone else can use a thinner bezel but for Apple "it can't be done"?!?


And just for kicks, here's a mockup of a MacBook Pro 14.5 in a MBP13 enclosure. :D

http://i43.tinypic.com/33pagpw.jpg

TheRealDamager
Mar 15, 2012, 09:15 AM
Did I say the 2001 TiBook screen was comparable to the 2012 MBA one? Didn't think so.

My point was responding (hence the quote) to the poster who suggested that if it was possible, Apple would have done it by now. I don't think that's true. Unlike a decade ago, Apple these days loves an extra-thick bezel for some reason, whether it's on the black glass MBP or the MBA or the iPad even.

It's got nothing to do with engineering specs or the availability of Gorilla Glass or otherwise. The MBA bezel in particular is ridiculously thick and there's simply no reason to make it such apart from it being part of their current design palette. It's beyond ugly and inelegant on a machine that is the opposite in every other way.

I find this argument silly. So Apple has the capability to make the same Air, which the same technology, with a tony bezel, but they aren't because they are adhering to some mysterious design queues? Come on.

KittyKatta
Mar 15, 2012, 09:46 AM
I find this argument silly. So Apple has the capability to make the same Air, which the same technology, with a tony bezel, but they aren't because they are adhering to some mysterious design queues? Come on.
They did with the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone and MacBook Pro. All of them have a ton of wasted screen area which seems to be decided more on aesthetics and uniformity than function or ability. So why do you feel the Air is somehow limited from getting a smaller bezel?

Im not arguing, I'm just saying that it does seem like the decision isn't made due to technological limitations and IF either the next gen Air or MBP get a smaller bezel it would be expected for that "look" to trickle down the entire product line because Apple values uniformity in all their products.

blue43fan
Mar 15, 2012, 10:12 AM
They did with the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone and MacBook Pro. All of them have a ton of wasted screen area which seems to be decided more on aesthetics and uniformity than function or ability. So why do you feel the Air is somehow limited from getting a smaller bezel?

Im not arguing, I'm just saying that it does seem like the decision isn't made due to technological limitations and IF either the next gen Air or MBP get a smaller bezel it would be expected for that "look" to trickle down the entire product line because Apple values uniformity in all their products.

The iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone bezels do serve a purpose, to ensure that you're not constantly touching unintended things on screen. Especially for the iPad, imagine how annoying and/or downright impossible it would be to use with a smaller (or no) bezel. Not to mention the cameras and sensors located in the bezel.

For the MacBooks, yes, they probably could shrink the bezel a bit, but until they can figure out how to move the camera behind the screen; CLICK ME (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/08/apple_files_patent_for_camera_hidden_behind_display.html) I think the current bezel is a good compromise.

pgiguere1
Mar 15, 2012, 11:07 AM
Did I say the 2001 TiBook screen was comparable to the 2012 MBA one? Didn't think so.

My point was responding (hence the quote) to the poster who suggested that if it was possible, Apple would have done it by now. I don't think that's true. Unlike a decade ago, Apple these days loves an extra-thick bezel for some reason, whether it's on the black glass MBP or the MBA or the iPad even.

It's got nothing to do with engineering specs or the availability of Gorilla Glass or otherwise. The MBA bezel in particular is ridiculously thick and there's simply no reason to make it such apart from it being part of their current design palette. It's beyond ugly and inelegant on a machine that is the opposite in every other way.

I should have said "if it was possible with the current thinness" instead. I thought it was pretty obvious that it's what I meant.

I disagree about the thick bezels probably being a design choice. I'm sure it's technical limitations. Who finds thick bezel prettier? Also, notice that small Mac laptops like the 11" MBA have much thicker bezel than large ones like the 17" MBP. How does that make sense, design-wise? It would be more logical to either keep the same bezel to keep uniformity across the whole line or make the bezel thickness proportional to the screen size so that all Mac laptops keep similar dimension proportions.

I don't think the TiBook is any proof that a thin bezel is possible in a screen as thin as the current MBA's. Just look at how thick this screen is, the screen alone is almost as thick as a whole MBA, and it's not tapered at all.

http://images01.olx.com/ui/1/11/47/1570447_2.jpg

LordVic
Mar 19, 2012, 10:04 AM
I think I'm a slim (pun hyuk hyuk) minority who like a little bezel space. it sets a good overall background and a contrast to the screen. I especially like the white bezel as it draws attention away from a TN's fairly poor black reproduction (Imagine having a TN's black up against a black bezel, you will clearly feel like it's not right")

slnko-v-sieti
Mar 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
The wide bezel on the Air allows the enclosure to taper to the thin width we all love so much. To include less bezel would result in a thicker lid and edges. Just look at older Macbook Pros. My 17" had a remarkably small (and secure!) bezel, but the lid was very thick.

Tapering has been part of the core design that makes the Air feel thinner than any other ultrabook since the product's inception. Just look at the first generation: it tapered all over. Now the shape is more of a wedge.

I think if we want larger screens in these products we shouldn't be asking Apple to make smaller bezels, we should be asking screen supplies to engineer thinner screen panels (or Apple to buy thinner panels).

ixodes
Mar 19, 2012, 03:17 PM
I have a slightly different take on it, since I have both the 11" and 13" MBA's.

While I too would like a bezel that is a bit thinner, I do trust Apple engineers and the design team completely. My 2011 11" MBA has the widest bezel of the two. On the 13" it's not too bad. But I'm sure there is a reason each of them is the way it is.

That said I would much rather have them as they are and enjoy the rigidity they offer, as opposed to a weaker arrangement.

As far as the clear glass covers that Apple implemented on the glossy MBP's of late, I strongly dislike those. They add weight, glare, and even with the attractive black border, they simply are not appealing to me.

The natural LCD display with it's anti-glare, flexible front panel is time tested and featured on virtually all top of the line professional and workstation class laptops. While it's nice to have an attractive design, it's secondary to functionality on my list of priorities.

I don't sit and stare, or admire my computers, I use them.

For work, for personal, for everything since I am 88% paperless. Therefore the bezel is not what I'm looking at, I prefer looking at the display so I can see what I'm doing..... LOL.

At the end of the day I find the MBA series in it's current iteration, a wonderful laptop.

Karr271
Mar 19, 2012, 08:18 PM
The MacBook air's bezel was designed in a certain way. Because of the way it tapers on the side, the actual display itself can be but so thin. Enlarging the display in the same display chassis would require some reengineering. For example, look at the 17 inch MacBook pro. It has the narrowest bezel of all MacBooks but it also has the thickest display lid. It is slightly thicker than the display lid on the 13 and 15 MacBook pro. You can look at pics on apple's websit for proof. Of the MacBook pro's, the bottom keyboard part of the 13,15, and 17 is the same thickness, the added thickness of the 17 MBP comes from the display and its necessarily narrow bezel to reduce the footprint of the laptop.

I know this is the MBA forum, but I spoke more of the MacBook pros as I know a little more about their bezels.

Andras5soul
Mar 19, 2012, 09:01 PM
simple. tapered edges = thicker bezels. This is why edges on the unibody macbook pro are even thicker than those on previous generations.

yanksrock100
Mar 19, 2012, 10:21 PM
To be honest, I really like how the macbook air looks. The Large bezel gives it some class and style. :)

flynz4
Mar 19, 2012, 11:13 PM
simple. tapered edges = thicker bezels. This is why edges on the unibody macbook pro are even thicker than those on previous generations.

I agree. Looking from the side, you can see the optical illusion that Jony Ive created. The actual thickness of the MBA lid is not actually that thin... but it tapers down to make it look as thin as a razor blade. The wide bezel creates the distance required to taper the lid and create the industrial design magic that Ive is so good at providing.

Personally... I like it.

/Jim

wetrix
Mar 20, 2012, 01:39 AM
I especially like the white bezel as it draws attention away from a TN's fairly poor black reproduction (Imagine having a TN's black up against a black bezel, you will clearly feel like it's not right")

Solid point there

RTiii320
Mar 20, 2012, 08:23 PM
the bezel size is fine with me, but i really with is would of been black