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ap3604
Apr 2, 2012, 10:10 PM
For me the Android experience is 2nd rate & lower class due to the following:

1. Premium feel

Samsung galaxy s ii owners might deny it to try and make themselves feel better but the fact of the matter is that th iPhone has a premium feel to its build, whereas Android phones usually feel like cheap toys.

2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

3. Resale value

Android phones have terrible resale value when compared to the iPhone. This is because of the fragmentation issue which makes it so that you have hundreds of different Android phones and only a few people out there that want your particular model (if it's not already outdated, which it probably will be).

With the iPhone there's only a particular model for that year, so the amount of buyers you have is huge compared to a particular android model that will be replaced in a few months.

Look no further than Droid Razr owners to see just how little Android manufacturers care about you. They come out with a particular model... then... a few months later come out with a better version (Droid Razr Maxx) making your purchase obsolete and killing any demand or resale value you had.

4. Pure experience

Apple doesn't let manufacturers put bloat ware on its iPhone. With Android you always have some terrible skin on it (be it sense, touchwiz, etc) that not only slows down the phone, but also makes it impossible for you to get new Android updates anywhere close to on time. It literally takes the manufacturers MONTHS and MONTHS to get their ugly skin with tons of bloatware integrated into the new update and by the time you finally get it your phone is already outdated.

5. Battery life

Battery life on 99% of Android phones is 2nd rate compared to the iPhone. Not much more needs to be said besides this.




There are too many things to go over with just one post so I'll finish this list at a later time, in the meantime... What are the reasons that you feel Android is a lower class experience compare to the iPhone? What made you chose the iPhone over it?

Btw I dont care to hear about excuses for the many problems with Android... So don't bother I won't respond ;) I only want to know from iPhone owners and their insight as to why they chose the iPhone over Android.



0m3ga
Apr 2, 2012, 10:25 PM
To the OP: you helped to discredit yourself by stating many inaccuracies. If you had stated opinions, I would have enjoyed to debate with you.

MattMJB0188
Apr 2, 2012, 10:26 PM
For some reason I feel very educated all of the sudden. :eek::eek::eek:

jvmxtra
Apr 2, 2012, 10:28 PM
I came from droid X to iPhone 4s. I came to iPhone 4s because that's what I always wanted all along. It finally became available in verizon and my contract time was up.

However, I do see that not everything is dandy in iPhone land. I realize that there is no perfect phone.

I do want to give another chance on iPhone 5(yup, plan to upgrade this year).
I do want to see bigger screen.

onthecouchagain
Apr 2, 2012, 10:44 PM
I realize that there is no perfect phone.

This. You can always tell who has truly given both platforms a chance.

This is and will always be the smartest and most honest position to take regarding the whole android (specifically ice cream sandwich) vs iOS. The more you use both the more you realize just how similar they are. The few things one does better over the other are growing narrower and narrower. Both are plagued with similar problems. my iPhone froze on the lock screen the other day and I stared at it dumbfounded. The iPhone freezes? I thought this was only an android feature.

It turns out they are not that different.

gunhunter
Apr 2, 2012, 10:55 PM
You're comparing a phone to an OS fyi

ZZ Bottom
Apr 2, 2012, 10:55 PM
Wirelessly posted

The day Google begins selling their own branded hardware with a guarantee of first day updates and unmodified roms, I will buy even if as a backup.

You really can't beat the closed development system that Apple employs. I can't find an android manufacturer that provides that peace of mind. Even now ive been eligible for upgrade for a while, and considered the galaxy note as a second phone to my 4. But there is the completely reasonable feeling that I wont get updates at all past 1 year, and that an improved model is only months away. I know Apple arbitrarily restricts updates to fixed dates, but it provides a nice peace of mind and clearly it's a successful strategy.

jeffe
Apr 2, 2012, 11:13 PM
I'm not so concerned about updates so long as it works but I do wait for to purchase a product at its release date. For instance, I hesitate with a phone purchase if the phone has been our more than a two to three months and will usually wait for the next model as the release cycle is so quick. Same go's with macbooks....I won't purchase one if we are 4-6 months away from a new release.

Wirelessly posted

The day Google begins selling their own branded hardware with a guarantee of first day updates and unmodified roms, I will buy even if as a backup.

You really can't beat the closed development system that Apple employs. I can't find an android manufacturer that provides that peace of mind. Even now ive been eligible for upgrade for a while, and considered the galaxy note as a second phone to my 4. But there is the completely reasonable feeling that I wont get updates at all past 1 year, and that an improved model is only months away. I know Apple arbitrarily restricts updates to fixed dates, but it provides a nice peace of mind and clearly it's a successful strategy.

DerekRod
Apr 3, 2012, 12:13 AM
Ill give you this the stupid skins annoy me why we aren't allowed to turn them off is beyond infuriating.Android will never please me unless its a nexus device,but thats just me.Though WP7 looks pretty neat to me.Everyone is entitled to their opinions.I love my iPhone doesn't mean any of my friends will(Some do,some dont)

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 12:28 AM
Well I wouldn't say Android is "inferior" but its certainly not as polished. There are some things I actually like better with the Android platform, multitasking being one of them. Rather than pause state resume as iOS does, Android lets you truly multitask. You can be downloading 10 apps while browsing the web or doing something else, I like that. I also like that navigation is built in to Google Maps so while searching something in Google, you can just tap directions and go. You don't have to mess with 3rd party apps. I also prefer Android's smart dialer and how it deals with contacts much better than the iPhone. Having said that, I prefer just about everything else in iOS :) I wouldn't say one is truly better than the other, depends on your preferences. iOS is for sure more polished, less cluttered and far more stable.

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 12:51 AM
You couldn't have been further from the truth. Stop drinking the koolaid and smell the coffee! The world doesn't revolve around iOS or Apple! A true tech enthusiast is never a fanboy, keeps an open mind, adapts to new and emerging tech, and most of all, gives credit where it's due!

Having said that, here is my rebuttal to your points.


For me the Android experience is 2nd rate & lower class due to the following:

1. Premium feel

Samsung galaxy s ii owners might deny it to try and make themselves feel better but the fact of the matter is that th iPhone has a premium feel to its build, whereas Android phones usually feel like cheap toys.

While I agree the Samsung *feels* cheap, let me assure you it is anything but! Also, the Nexus S [ made by Samsung ] doesn't feel cheap at all.

If you have been with the iPhone since it's inception, you would've seen quality issues with iPhone 3GS, iP4 and iP4S too.

2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

You answered your own question here! The Galaxy Nexus is to Android what iPhone is to Apple. Both get their updates right away with no *middleman* approvals or customizations needed!

Also, normally newer versions of Android OS get rooted within a matter of days [ if not hours, unlike Jailbreak for iOS which can take ...ages!! ]. So, anyone desperate enough for an upgrade can always root their device and slap the newer FW on it!

3. Resale value

Android phones have terrible resale value when compared to the iPhone. This is because of the fragmentation issue which makes it so that you have hundreds of different Android phones and only a few people out there that want your particular model (if it's not already outdated, which it probably will be).

With the iPhone there's only a particular model for that year, so the amount of buyers you have is huge compared to a particular android model that will be replaced in a few months.

Look no further than Droid Razr owners to see just how little Android manufacturers care about you. They come out with a particular model... then... a few months later come out with a better version (Droid Razr Maxx) making your purchase obsolete and killing any demand or resale value you had.

It's a phone, not real estate! Buying a phone based on it's resale value is about as smart as buying a car for investment [ exotics excluded ]!

4. Pure experience

Apple doesn't let manufacturers put bloat ware on its iPhone. With Android you always have some terrible skin on it (be it sense, touchwiz, etc) that not only slows down the phone, but also makes it impossible for you to get new Android updates anywhere close to on time. It literally takes the manufacturers MONTHS and MONTHS to get their ugly skin with tons of bloatware integrated into the new update and by the time you finally get it your phone is already outdated.

Bloatware ?. HTC's sense isn't bloatware, neither is the new Motoblur or Samsung's Touch Wiz Skin. Having owned the HTC EVO, HTC EVO 3D, Motorola Photon, Samsung Galaxy S2, and Motorola Razr Maxx, I have not yet felt any *slow downs* because of the skin.

As a matter of fact, the Samsung Galaxy S2 and Moto Razr Maxx feel snappier than the iPhone 4S!

Also, want a vanilla Android experience ? Root and flash away to your heart's content!!

As for being outdated. I'm sorry to inform you, but Android is way ahead of iOS in terms of tech! iPhone doesn't even truly multitask yet! iPhone users cannot talk about Android being outdated from any angle!

5. Battery life

Battery life on 99% of Android phones is 2nd rate compared to the iPhone. Not much more needs to be said besides this.

Go play with the Motorola Razr Maxx. HTC EVO 4G and 3D also have decent battery life, as does the Samsung GS2. Also, comparing 4G and 4"+ screens to a 3G only and 3.5" watered-down-multitasking-iphone isn't the best example! Enough said.




There are too many things to go over with just one post so I'll finish this list at a later time, in the meantime... What are the reasons that you feel Android is a lower class experience compare to the iPhone? What made you chose the iPhone over it?



I'd like to read that remaining list which will further highlight your ignorance!.. Do post!

Btw I dont care to hear about excuses for the many problems with Android... So don't bother I won't respond ;) I only want to know from iPhone owners and their insight as to why they chose the iPhone over Android.

master-ceo
Apr 3, 2012, 05:12 AM
Music apps, core midi

DerekRod
Apr 3, 2012, 06:46 AM
You couldn't have been further from the truth. Stop drinking the koolaid and smell the coffee! The world doesn't revolve around iOS or Apple! A true tech enthusiast is never a fanboy, keeps an open mind, adapts to new and emerging tech, and most of all, gives credit where it's due!

Having said that, here is my rebuttal to your points.

Rooting an Android phone is ALOT more difficult then jailbreaking an iPhone its not for the faint of heart thats why alot of people don't do it.Its a shame

DroidRules
Apr 3, 2012, 07:06 AM
I didn't take the time to read, but OP, what's the point of your thread other than trolling for a fight?

Interstella5555
Apr 3, 2012, 08:19 AM
Maybe because
Android=OS
iPhone=Phone

At least compare 2 of the same thing, comparing iPhone hardware to "Android" hardware is ridiculous, it's like comparing a Z4 to honda civics.

Stealthipad
Apr 3, 2012, 08:23 AM
Android phone and Apple phones are different.

Each does some good and some bad!

If Apple gave me a internal file system for my phone and Pad, it would help a lot.

I use and enjoy both!

Bswartz95
Apr 3, 2012, 08:37 AM
I've used both operating systems for 2+ years, each. I miss the HTC Sense overlay. It's definitely not "bloatware".

One of the reasons battery life can appear to be worse on Android phones is because of the updating widgets - depending on how many you're using.

Both operating systems have advantages and flaws. For one, I greatly miss the Google Navigation.

Overall, I like the simplicity of the iPhone. It seems much smoother, transitions are quicker, and there are less app issues. This, however, is subjective and depends on which Android phone you're using (since specs are all different).

Rodimus Prime
Apr 3, 2012, 08:41 AM
Rooting an Android phone is ALOT more difficult then jailbreaking an iPhone its not for the faint of heart thats why alot of people don't do it.Its a shame

lol, spoken like someone who does not really understand how easy it is to root. Rooting a lot of the stuff is easier and quicker than jailbreaking. Now 2.3.6 made it quite a bit more difficult but even then was easy.

Rooting for most of the time just takes downloading a zip file, unzipping it and then run the script in there and boom you are rooted. Worse case is you have to put your phone into fastboot mode. It runs the respective linux commands in the script to do everything.

You also have the 1 click roots which are great. Gingerbreak was the easiest but they closed that rather large security hole.

Rooting tends to come faster and is easier than jailbreaking.

But then again you do not need to root your device to do a lot of the things. Jailbreaking the iPhone is required to get access to a lot of things a Android phone can do stock.

Json81
Apr 3, 2012, 09:00 AM
lol, spoken like someone who does not really understand how easy it is to root. Rooting a lot of the stuff is easier and quicker than jailbreaking. Now 2.3.6 made it quite a bit more difficult but even then was easy.

Rooting for most of the time just takes downloading a zip file, unzipping it and then run the script in there and boom you are rooted. Worse case is you have to put your phone into fastboot mode. It runs the respective linux commands in the script to do everything.

You also have the 1 click roots which are great. Gingerbreak was the easiest but they closed that rather large security hole.

Rooting tends to come faster and is easier than jailbreaking.

But then again you do not need to root your device to do a lot of the things. Jailbreaking the iPhone is required to get access to a lot of things a Android phone can do stock.

Alot of confusion here about rooting and switching roms.
This is different from phone to phone, some phones are super easy to root, some are a real pain.

Given that you have root, it doesnt mean that there is a working rom with the new version of android. Most custom roms out there has annoying bugs, specially if it's ICS/4.0.

On the other hand, as you say, most of the things that require jailbreak does not require root on an android phone.

lilo777
Apr 3, 2012, 11:04 AM
1. Premium feel

Samsung galaxy s ii owners might deny it to try and make themselves feel better but the fact of the matter is that th iPhone has a premium feel to its build, whereas Android phones usually feel like cheap toys.


After Samsung Galaxy SII, iPhone 4(s) feels like a brick. Literally. Smartphone is a mobile device, the lighter it is the better (to a degree but we are nowhere near the point where the phone would be too light). One can easily obtain that "premium" iPhone feel with SGSII by gluing a couple of metal nuts to it. Obviously this has nothing to do with "premium". Not to mention the fact that the extra weight comes because of the glass back which is a stupid design decision on Apple's part and represents anything but a premium factor.

AndroidTriumph
Apr 3, 2012, 11:17 AM
2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

Fragmentation is a dirty word for CHOICE! A lot of iOS users want a different flavor and are forced to jump to anoter OS.

DerekRod
Apr 3, 2012, 11:42 AM
lol, spoken like someone who does not really understand how easy it is to root. Rooting a lot of the stuff is easier and quicker than jailbreaking. Now 2.3.6 made it quite a bit more difficult but even then was easy.

Rooting for most of the time just takes downloading a zip file, unzipping it and then run the script in there and boom you are rooted. Worse case is you have to put your phone into fastboot mode. It runs the respective linux commands in the script to do everything.

You also have the 1 click roots which are great. Gingerbreak was the easiest but they closed that rather large security hole.

Rooting tends to come faster and is easier than jailbreaking.

But then again you do not need to root your device to do a lot of the things. Jailbreaking the iPhone is required to get access to a lot of things a Android phone can do stock.

Again.I know how to root and obviously so do you.That doesn't mean everyone does were in a very small minority.Most people don't know half of the terms you just said.The everyday consumer has certain expectations of a device.Sure I can always root it but the everyday consumer has no idea even what that means.

RolandNights
Apr 3, 2012, 11:45 AM
I have my reasons for why I like my iPhone better than the only two Android phones I've ever owned (Hero, Epic 4G). Until I get day-to-day experience with an device with ICS, then my opinion is completely biased. Someone willing to donate me a Note or Nexus? ;)

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 11:46 AM
Fragmentation is a dirty word for CHOICE! A lot of iOS users want a different flavor and are forced to jump to anoter OS.

No. Its a serious problem Google needs to address. This article sums it up real nicely.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/23/2651347/a-good-smartphone-comes-but-once-a-year

You alienate your best customers. Over and over and over again. How do you think Sensation 4G customers felt when their phones were bested less than four months later? Mobile is the one and only durable goods industry I'm aware of where a gnat-like product life cycle is considered "normal." From the consumer's perspective, there's no great reason why it should be top-tier phones are $200 to $300 upfront these days, and the financial commitment around that device can add up to $3,000 or more. This doesn't happen in home theater, it doesn't happen in gaming, and if you don't include component spec bumps, it doesn't happen in the PC business.

You induce paralysis at the register. After a few cycles of this madness, consumers catch on that they're stuck in a zero-sum game. They're always asking themselves (and us) what's around the corner. You deny them the comfort and the reassurance of knowing that their device will be "the best" in its class, if only for a while.


You make it more difficult on yourself to keep devices updated in a timely fashion. This one's just simple math: more SKUs means more firmwares, and more versions of those firmwares. Each of those versions needs the care and feeding of an engineering team, and there are only so many engineers to go around. If a particular model is unpopular which is more likely when you're releasing a countless array of them long-term support becomes an even greater risk. Think of the HTC Aria versus the wildly successful HTC EVO 4G, both released around the same time.

chakraj
Apr 3, 2012, 11:49 AM
I think android is worst for a few reasons.

1. they have better hardware, better sharper screens, larger screens, faster processors and more connectivity options.

2. They have more customization options, why when everyone looks and is the exact same would a company give you options. Sheesh

3. Better pricing; They should charge way more for their products just like apple.

4. You can unlock them from the network, again why give people options?

For those reasons and more I think apple is better. Smaller worst screen, worst connectivity, closed eco system, no customization options. That is more like it.:apple:

rjohnstone
Apr 3, 2012, 11:55 AM
Again.I know how to root and obviously so do you.That doesn't mean everyone does were in a very small minority.Most people don't know half of the terms you just said.The everyday consumer has certain expectations of a device.Sure I can always root it but the everyday consumer has no idea even what that means.
But that was not the context of his response. ;)

You stated :Rooting an Android phone is ALOT more difficult then jailbreaking an iPhone its not for the faint of heart thats why alot of people don't do it.Its a shame
Which is simply not true.
Rooting an Android phone in many cases is a simple matter of downloading and running a script. Anyone with the ability to follow simple instructions can do it.

Rooting stock ICS on an SGS2 takes a whole whopping 30 seconds.
Hell, the ICS image for the SGS2 was rooted within a couple of hours of its release.

You still can't properly jailbreak a 4S.
Only tethered jailbreaks exist for A5 devices and they're buggy.

Rodimus Prime
Apr 3, 2012, 11:57 AM
Again.I know how to root and obviously so do you.That doesn't mean everyone does were in a very small minority.Most people don't know half of the terms you just said.The everyday consumer has certain expectations of a device.Sure I can always root it but the everyday consumer has no idea even what that means.

You said jail breaking is easier than rooting. I find rooting to be easier than jailbreaking. The solutions for root do come faster than jailbreaking and then the tools come out.
Also the need to jailbreak and iPhone is much higher than the need to root android

boy-better-know
Apr 3, 2012, 12:16 PM
I prefer iOS, like most of you, but if the iPhone doesn't keep up, I will be dropping it this year for the first time ever. I am due an upgrade this summer, going to wait to see what Apple has up their sleeve.
If the screen isn't significantly larger I will be getting a Note. I went and looked at one the other day, and it is absolutely stunning, the screen is big and beautiful. I really want it, but I want a 5" iPhone even more.

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 12:34 PM
I stopped reading where he said the galaxy nexus is the only device with ICS. If you can't get that right you obviously don't know much and you certainly shouldn't be commenting on the subject.

People read things about updates but actually have no idea what they are talking about (android users included). Never mind that the og droid got an update update in nov which kept it on par with the 3GS. But why would say Motorola for example send out an update that they have the features or bug fix already implemented? People just want the highest version number they don't even know what it includes!

There is only one app that hasn't worked on my Android tablet that I've ever run across. That is annoying but not exactly something I'd consider a big deal.

SurferMan
Apr 3, 2012, 12:40 PM
Still not sure what people mean by all this "horrible" lag plaguing Android etc, I've noticed more "lag", "hiccups", "freezing" on iOS5 on the other phones including the 4S then on my i777 GSII. I was anti-android before this phone, but it's been buttery smooth and fast since the day I got it last year. I actually like the light comfy feel of the phone. Sure the iPhone feels a bit better with the metal etc, but what's the point when it's more fragile then thin china plates. I mean I dropped my 4 on carpet once and the f'n screen shattered, on carpet lol. I've dropped the GSII a few times mainly if in the truck and forget it's on my lap, and nothing, not even a scratch. There's no point in bragging about how nice the phone looks or feels when it has to be covered up with a case so it doesn't break. It's like saying you have the hottest woman around but take her to the beach in sweat pants and a sweat shirt lol. Doesn't bother me if they have multiple models a year (plus the main ones like the Galaxy line that compete directly with the iPhone are once a year), it's not like if another phone comes out your phone is out of date and stops working :rolleyes: , it'll be fine, older Androids it was more of an issue not now. Even if the GSII never got ICS and was stuck in GB for the next 2 years, it would be fine.... just like people use the 3GS still today. And then if you want, it's easy to root and rom these phones, no need to keep trying rom's daily... stick with the ones that are stable and updated, it's so easy to do, the ones having issues or complaining usually (just look at xda) is b/c they downloaded the wrong files and flashed the wrong model phone. If you have an i777 don't use files and flashes from the i900, pretty simple lol.

The way I have this phone setup I much prefer for business and personal use, plus it integrates fine with any of my programs or even Apple devices (MBP etc), and have had no trouble finding the same apps or similar on the market in which some do an even better job then the Apple variant. That's not to say the iPhones are bad, wouldn't still own 3 of them if that were true. The 4S the gf uses for work/personal, and the 4/3GS just keep around for backup or whatever since I didn't feel like selling them lol.

It's nice to not be blind and keep an open mind, verse getting drunk off the koolaid ;)

There really needs to be a subforum for Android/other talk

Six8
Apr 3, 2012, 12:44 PM
That is a flat out lie. I had 4 android pos phones b4 my iPhone. Android is like a toy compared to ios. IMO

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 12:48 PM
It's a phone, not real estate! Buying a phone based on it's resale value is about as smart as buying a car for investment [ exotics excluded ]!


I agree with all of your points except this one. If you want the newest phone, year after year, and don't want to lose much (or any) money on it, iPhone is a pretty safe bet. Aside from the very first iPhone I purchased, I never had to add more money to the pot to upgrade. I don't view this as an investment. I view it as a platform that (thus far) allows me to upgrade yearly without any extra cost. And before anyone flips, I use Android and iOS on a daily basis, about equally.

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You said jail breaking is easier than rooting. I find rooting to be easier than jailbreaking. The solutions for root do come faster than jailbreaking and then the tools come out.
Also the need to jailbreak and iPhone is much higher than the need to root android

Sort of depends, bud. Have you used the nest JB for the 4S? It was, well, the easiest thing I have ever done, EVER. Load the app, wait about a minute, profit. I do agree, it depends on the release though. Both android and iOS dev teams are making these things idiot proof nowadays though.

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You still can't properly jailbreak a 4S.
Only tethered jailbreaks exist for A5 devices and they're buggy.

I assume you are referring to the 5.1 firmware? :confused:

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 12:48 PM
I prefer iOS, like most of you, but if the iPhone doesn't keep up, I will be dropping it this year for the first time ever. I am due an upgrade this summer, going to wait to see what Apple has up their sleeve.
If the screen isn't significantly larger I will be getting a Note. I went and looked at one the other day, and it is absolutely stunning, the screen is big and beautiful. I really want it, but I want a 5" iPhone even more.

So you are giving up a phone that works well and an entire platform for a larger screen? Yea, I am going to toss my 55 inch Toshiba out the window and switch to Sharp unless Toshiba makes a 70 inch tv just for me! See how ridiculous that sounds? And I haven't even spent money buying apps for my Toshiba tv either...

Apollo 13
Apr 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
I also came from Android but may go back depending on the iPhone 5 looks. I noticed more Android users on iPhone forums then the other way around. Hell I use to think apple fanboys was worst but now I think Android fanboys are a lot worst. I joined this site as a Android user trolling. Now I own a iPad 2, iPhone 4, and a Asus Transformer and look from both sides.

William.Mantle
Apr 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
I question the OPs real motives for creating this thread

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
That is a flat out lie. I had 4 android pos phones b4 my iPhone. Android is like a toy compared to ios. IMO

Come on you can't call someone a liar then put IMO at the end of the post. Lol!

I agree a lot of Android phones FEEL cheap and flimsy compared to the iPhone. Usually they are more durable to drops cause of this flex though.

Although I'm not a huge fan of HTC I find their phones to be pretty solid feeling on par with the iPhone IMO lol.

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 12:54 PM
So you are giving up a phone that works well and an entire platform for a larger screen? Yea, I am going to toss my 55 inch Toshiba out the window and switch to Sharp unless Toshiba makes a 70 inch tv just for me! See how ridiculous that sounds? And I haven't even spent money buying apps for my Toshiba tv either...

He did say he had a look at the Note, and liked it. You also mak e the assumption that he doesn't know anything about Android. Hell, maybe he uses it on a daily basis like I do. How much have you spent on apps? Unless it's hundreds of dollars, I see no reason to stay married to an OS. I have spent maybe $70. That's one dinner out with the lady.

surjavarman
Apr 3, 2012, 12:57 PM
Symbian is vastly superior to both. It has been around far longer than both so it has shown longevity. It is backed up by the largest phone producer in the world bar none. It also has the largest amount of users bar none and a devoted fanbase.

The latest updates makes it even more competitive than it already was.

Apollo 13
Apr 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
You guys that arguing which is easier rooting or jailbreaking they are both easy if you know how to follow directions. Rooting isn't always a 30 sec thing either it depends what phone you get. If you get the wrong phone you're going to be doing a lot of reading and steps that can take 30mins.

boy-better-know
Apr 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
So you are giving up a phone that works well and an entire platform for a larger screen? Yea, I am going to toss my 55 inch Toshiba out the window and switch to Sharp unless Toshiba makes a 70 inch tv just for me! See how ridiculous that sounds? And I haven't even spent money buying apps for my Toshiba tv either...

Ok sorry I'll buy another iPhone?
Why are you offended. I have my iPad for all of my apps, and,yes, the screen is very important to me, and I want a bigger one. Logically, I will go for the note unless the iphone isbigger. Or were you just trying to show off about having a 55" tv? I am very impressed.

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
You guys that arguing which is easier rooting or jailbreaking they are both easy if you know how to follow directions. Rooting isn't always a 30 sec thing either it depends what phone you get. If you get the wrong phone you're going to be doing a lot of reading and steps that can take 30mins.

Buy a flagship phone and you are almost certainly safe. Buy the 99 cent discount bin phone and you are likely to be in for a lot of reading, and probably a disappointing experience. These discount bin phones are probably the reason Android gets such a bad name.

Apollo 13
Apr 3, 2012, 01:03 PM
Ok sorry I'll buy another iPhone?
Why are you offended. I have my iPad for all of my apps, and,yes, the screen is very important to me, and I want a bigger one. Logically, I will go for the note unless the iphone isbigger. Or were you just trying to show off about having a 55" tv? I am very impressed.

Don't worry about it fanboys say dumb things. I've been arguing with dumb android fanboys for the last few days on XDA and come here and argue with apple fanboys. But that is a big ass phone.

jvmxtra
Apr 3, 2012, 01:10 PM
So conclusion for me at least is that, at this point, there is really no real advantage of picking one phone over the other. It's just preference at this point and majority of us happens to prefer iPhone.

However, at least for me, this year is the key as if apple don't come up w/ multiple sizes for their iPhone, I am leaving period. I will still have my apple laptop and iMac but phone, I can go back to the other side. Honestly, that is sad because phone is where real war is at right now. But eventually, droid will come to desktop as well. I prefer apple to win but I don't know.

Apollo 13
Apr 3, 2012, 01:16 PM
So conclusion for me at least is that, at this point, there is really no real advantage of picking one phone over the other. It's just preference at this point and majority of us happens to prefer iPhone.

However, at least for me, this year is the key as if apple don't come up w/ multiple sizes for their iPhone, I am leaving period. I will still have my apple laptop and iMac but phone, I can go back to the other side. Honestly, that is sad because phone is where real war is at right now. But eventually, droid will come to desktop as well. I prefer apple to win but I don't know.

Well for me it's all about the apps.

B777Forevar
Apr 3, 2012, 01:19 PM
I'm on break and I have nothing to do so I'll bite on a few points you made

1. Premium feel

tl;dr


Every heard of a company called HTC? Their build quality is great, and some of the build quality of their phones are on par with the iPhone (and even the Nokia N9/Lumia800)
The Android world doesn't revolve around Samsung you know.


2. Fragmentation
tl;dr
Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

It's called called rooting your device. Plus it's the crappy ass U.S CARRIERS fault (they are cheap to pay for field testing for updates), not Google that updates are not being pushed out.


3. Resale value
tl;dr

you probably saw some cheap ass low end android phones then, because last time I checked, the high end Android phones are re-selling high, around iPhone prices too.


4. Pure experience
tl;dr


Sense a terrible skin? Slows down the phone? Whatthehellamireading.jpg
Do you have proof that Sense UI slows down the phone?
iOS is UGLY . Thank goodness for Winterboard and the theming community, otherwise I would have ditched this iPhone because the OS is ugly as hell.


5. Battery life
tl;dr

I have had better battery life on my Android devices than my iPhone. Especially after rooting and flashing a ROM to it.

-aggie-
Apr 3, 2012, 01:27 PM
Wait, mbell1975 just came from an Android phone to get the 4S on March 26

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14614162&postcount=1

But then had to return his 4S

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14633497&postcount=1

and he's now an expert on all things iPhone??

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 01:32 PM
Well for me it's all about the apps.

This where I prefer Android the most. Developers have more freedom to make apps that can actually interact with the system. Like keyboards or file manager apps even apps that are allowed to run in the back ground (sleep cycle doesnt have to be in the foreground to work) for example.

People mention how much more quality apple apps have. And I agree but the apps that do suck are usually apps that are only available via cydia on the iPhone.

The 15 minute refund in the market is cool too!

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 01:35 PM
Every heard of a company called HTC? Their build quality is great, and some of the build quality of their phones are on par with the iPhone (and even the Nokia N9/Lumia800)
The Android world doesn't revolve around Samsung you know.

you probably saw some cheap ass low end android phones then, because last time I checked, the high end Android phones are re-selling high, around iPhone prices too.

I have had better battery life on my Android devices than my iPhone. Especially after rooting and flashing a ROM to it.

You mean the same HTC that built the Evo? Funny, I stood in line 6 hours to get that phone. You probably didn't though or you would remember all the problems with that phone. Screens falling off, horrible light leak, weak radios and WIFI signal they had to release 3 patches to completely fix 4 months later, grounding issues where the touchscreen was unusable if the device was laying down rather than in hand...that HTC? :rolleyes:

High end Android phones don't resell for crap. I just had to let my Galaxy S2 (widely regarded as the best Android phone on the market) go for $300 a few days ago. It retails for $500 still, no one would touch it for $400 with an extra battery, case 2 home chargers and a car charger. I had to put up 2 ads over 3 weeks and settled cause I couldn't get rid of it. Meanwhile, I sold my 4th gen iPod Touch for only $50 less than what they sell new and it was bought within an hour of posting the ad. It also took me forever to sell my Evo 3D and I had to sell it well under retail value as well. Its a joke to say Android phones have anywhere near the resale value iDevices do.

Your argument about battery life is just sad. You know damn well you have to root and ROM your Android phone to get anywhere close to the battery life of an iPhone 4s. Just the fact that you have to do that to get decent battery life shows what a POS platform Android has become.

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Wait, mbell1975 just came from an Android phone to get the 4S on March 26

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14614162&postcount=1

But then had to return his 4S

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14633497&postcount=1

and he's now an expert on all things iPhone??


Nope, didn't return the iPhone obviously. I decided my complaints with it were minor compared to the problems with the Android OS.

SurferMan
Apr 3, 2012, 01:39 PM
Your argument about battery life is just sad. You know damn well you have to root and ROM your Android phone to get anywhere close to the battery life of an iPhone 4s. Just the fact that you have to do that to get decent battery life shows what a POS platform Android has become.Not entirely true, we use the GSII and 4S primarily for work/personal, GSII last longer through the day with heavy texting/emailing/calls/browsing etc, it's all how you setup the phone, originally battery life was mehh, but once calibrated and set the way I have it it's pretty good. Not rom'd either yet, still on 2.3.6, but this is the i777 version not sure about the others. The 4 is still better though (batt life) but we don't use that phone anymore.

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 01:42 PM
Not entirely true, we use the GSII and 4S primarily for work/personal, GSII last longer through the day with heavy texting/emailing/calls/browsing etc, it's all how you setup the phone, originally battery life was mehh, but once calibrated and set the way I have it it's pretty good. Not rom'd either yet, still on 2.3.6, but this is the i777 version not sure about the others. The 4 is still better though but we don't use that phone anymore.

Don't bother if your experience differ from his you are either a liar or an idiot.

Edit autocorrect typo

boy-better-know
Apr 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Don't worry about it fanboys say dumb things. I've been arguing with dumb android fanboys for the last few days on XDA and come here and argue with apple fanboys. But that is a big ass phone.
I know what you mean. I have a preference for Apple when it comes to computers, tablets and phones but It isn't blind preference. My mind is always open to new products.

Yeah it is pretty big but I just love the screen and it feels surprisingly nice in hand. Saying that, I can understand why a lot of people would just think it is not a portable enough device. Where as, if it fits into my pocket I am happy.

Menel
Apr 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
After Samsung Galaxy SII, iPhone 4(s) feels like a brick. Literally. Smartphone is a mobile device, the lighter it is the better (to a degree but we are nowhere near the point where the phone would be too light). One can easily obtain that "premium" iPhone feel with SGSII by gluing a couple of metal nuts to it. Obviously this has nothing to do with "premium". Not to mention the fact that the extra weight comes because of the glass back which is a stupid design decision on Apple's part and represents anything but a premium factor.

Machined aluminum and glass panels vs. tonka toy plastic

lilo777
Apr 3, 2012, 02:21 PM
Machined aluminum and glass panels vs. tonka toy plastic



Mobile device made out of glass? How stupid is that? I bet Apple used glass as a cheap alternative to the high end plastics that Samsung uses.

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 02:45 PM
I like how people can list a few reasons (mostly false reasons) of why iOS is VASTLY superior. But when someone says otherwise (keeping in mind the op is mostly BS like the gnex is the only ics device and the battery ignoring the Maxx and uneducated claim to updates etc) its a huge problem and that person is a troll.

Seriously if you like iOS more then great I support your opinion, I like iOS. But if you are defending lies calling them fact well......? Don't know what that makes you but the obvious says you shouldn't call other people trolls.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 02:49 PM
I like how people can list a few reasons (mostly false reasons) of why iOS is VASTLY superior. But when someone says otherwise (keeping in mind the op is mostly BS like the gnex is the only ics device and the battery ignoring the Maxx and uneducated claim to updates etc) its a huge problem and that person is a troll.

Seriously if you like iOS more then great I support your opinion, I like iOS. But if you are defending lies calling them fact well......? Don't know what that makes you but the obvious says you shouldn't call other people trolls.

I like how Fandroids need to come in here and start trolling to try and justify their purchase. Why? Why do they care what we do here on an iPhone forum? They are here just to cause trouble.

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 03:45 PM
I like how Fandroids need to come in here and start trolling to try and justify their purchase. Why? Why do they care what we do here on an iPhone forum? They are here just to cause trouble.

lol, this thread really took off.. I didn't see the OP chime in at all!!

Anyway, we aren't Fandroids.. We own Apple, Android, Symbian, Meego, Windows.. and heck even feature phones !!

Plus, being an open public forum, everyone has a right to throw in their .02..isn't that what the OP did to stir the pot that kicked off all these e-emotions!!

I also read your post regarding how the HTC EVO had build issues... First off, I didn't have those issues [ except a minor light leak under the search button, so I can't say they were w/o issues ]. However, the 3GS was plagued with bad GPS chips, poor battery issues, and heat-up issues.. I went thru 2 3GSs before getting a defect free unit.

Even the iPhone 4 and 4S had issues.. Point being, in mass production, there are always bad units that slip thru the QC. HTC, is overall, a great manufacturer and *usually* their build quality is very good!

The Sammy GS2 might feel like a toy, but it's build is rock solid. I must've dropped it a few times but not a scratch or ding on it!!

I wish people stopped hating and getting so defensive over a phone that they probably won't even keep past it's refresh!!

Is materialism so important that we will stoop to berate and insult others choices ? It's really sad!

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 03:50 PM
I like how Fandroids need to come in here and start trolling to try and justify their purchase. Why? Why do they care what we do here on an iPhone forum? They are here just to cause trouble.

No offense but you get very upset/angry when someone bashes the iPhone (this is obvious per your post). Yet you are confused why people get upset when their android phone gets bashed?

Most of these "trolls" are open minded iPhone and/or iPad users. Not random haters from android forums. Like me I have 2 iOS devices and 2 android devices. Love them all for different reasons.

Since I have both it's hard for me not to play devils advocate toward a person that only has one. So you say android sucks I feel compelled to debate that. I do the same thing on android forums when people bash the iPhone. I could completely agree with someone's opinion and still debate it. Lol

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:04 PM
Lots of phones have had ice cream sandwich now, including the massively popular galaxy s2.

Other than that factual inaccuracy, you're entitled to your opinions. :)

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 04:05 PM
For instance just for the debate. Why don't iPhone owners compare battery life to non LTE Android devices?

What's was Apples solution to battery life in the IPad 3? A gigantic battery (28nm things did help but a gigantic battery was the solution). But when this was done with the Maxx it's was a primitive solution.

Does it piss off iPhone owners when a Maxx owner says "I like the iPhone but need more battery life" on the Android forums? Yes! And the thread looks like this one. It's hilarious.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
Since I have both it's hard for me not to play devils advocate toward a person that only has one. So you say android sucks I feel compelled to debate that.

So everyone must own an Apple device and an Android device to have legitimate claims? Thats laughable. There are plenty here like me who did have an Android device and got fed up with it, so they only own an Apple device. I started with Android years ago and owned 7 Android phones. Everything from the Hero to the Note just recently. I got sick of waiting 6 months for OS updates, force closes, battery pulls, POS apps put together by some kid in his basement and all the other junk that Android has become. So just because there are those of us who choose a platform that actually runs smoothly and one that updates 3 year old phones the same day as brand new ones (something you will NEVER see with Android) doesn't mean we don't know anything about the competition.

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Lots of phones have had ice cream sandwich now, including the massively popular galaxy s2.

Other than that factual inaccuracy, you're entitled to your opinions. :)

Wrong. You know how many Android phones have ICS? 3 percent ICS has been out for 5 months. That is simply pathetic. Only a few countries got the S2 rollout, nowhere near all the people who own one. They haven't even announced when its coming to the US, so you are wrong there too.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402538,00.asp

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 04:15 PM
Wrong. You know how many Android phones have ICS? 3 percent ICS has been out for 5 months.

It's worth noting that this has to do with how many of those phones people actually chose to update. Plenty of Android devices have ICS available. People are simply choosing not to update for various reasons, not the least of which I am sure is that they are basically unaware of the update being available.

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
Wrong. You know how many Android phones have ICS? 3 percent ICS has been out for 5 months. That is simply pathetic. Only a few countries got the S2 rollout, nowhere near all the people who own one. They haven't even announced when its coming to the US, so you are wrong there too.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402538,00.asp

None of what I said is wrong. He said the galaxy Nexus was the only phone which had ics. That's completely untrue. Lots of phones have released the ics update, but due to the carriers having to make their changes it may take a while to reach some people.

Then there are networks like three uk who have released their update before Samsung have released the galaxy s2 update to sim free customers!

The android software upgrading experience is pretty poor...not going to lie :p

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:22 PM
Take awhile? LOL, its been 5 months :rolleyes: This is the major problem with Android. Jellybean will be out for months before most Android users ever see ICS. Brand new phones running an 18 month old OS. You know how many of those people will have to buy new phones because they have been told the hardware in their phone can't run ICS? A bunch. However, my friend has a 2 year old Nexus One running ICS just fine. Carries don't want to upgrade existing customers because there is nothing in it for them. They would rather focus on new contracts they make a commission off. So the phone you just bought 6 months ago, yea, they don't care about upgrading that. Its just pathetic.

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 04:25 PM
my friend has a 2 year old Nexus One running ICS just fine.

You hit the nail on the head. As a consumer, one must educate himself, and buy the right phone if updates are what he is after. If we are to compare Apples to Apples, we should be comparing the iPhone line to the nexus line and not the iPhone line to any and all phones that run android, which is the way all these discussions inevitably go, I am afraid.

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:26 PM
Take awhile? LOL, its been 5 months :rolleyes: This is the major problem with Android. Jellybean will be out for months before most Android users ever see ICS. Brand new phones running an 18 month old OS. You know how many of those people will have to buy new phones because they have been told the hardware in their phone can't run ICS? A bunch. However, my friend has a 2 year old Nexus One running ICS just fine. Carries don't want to upgrade existing customers because there is nothing in it for them. They would rather focus on new contracts they make a commission off. So the phone you just bought 6 months ago, yea, they don't care about upgrading that. Its just pathetic.

The beauty of Android is customisation. Those who are geeky enough to care about the latest software should just root and get the latest roms. 4.0.4 was released for my phone about a day after it was released for the Nexus. So yeah, the official upgrade routes are very poor, but the unofficial ones are great :)

Rennir
Apr 3, 2012, 04:27 PM
Sigh...another thread. While opinions are fine, it's really not necessary for every Apple fan to create a thread about why they think iOS is better, especially because a lot of these reasons often overlap.

The better OS is the one that meets a person's needs the best. And since each person's needs are different, whether android or iOS is better will vary.

/thread

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:29 PM
Sigh...another thread. While opinions are fine, it's really not necessary for every Apple fan to create a thread about why they think iOS is better, especially because a lot of these reasons often overlap.

The better OS is the one that meets a person's needs the best. And since each person's needs are different, whether android or iOS is better will vary.

/thread

Discussion boards are for sharing stories, opinions, advice, are they not?

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:30 PM
You hit the nail on the head. As a consumer, one must educate himself, and buy the right phone if updates are what he is after. If we are to compare Apples to Apples, we should be comparing the iPhone line to the nexus line and not the iPhone line to any and all phones that run android, which is the way all these discussions inevitably go, I am afraid.

Ok. The Samsung Nexus S 4G is a Google phone, however, it still has not received ICS 5 months later. Reason? Google and Sprint came up with some BS about CDMA being harder to update than GSM. Really? I have a CDMA iPhone from Sprint and I got the 5.1 update same day the GSM iPhone did. iPhone wins. Next...

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 04:33 PM
So everyone must own an Apple device and an Android device to have legitimate claims? Thats laughable. There are plenty here like me who did have an Android device and got fed up with it, so they only own an Apple device. I started with Android years ago and owned 7 Android phones. Everything from the Hero to the Note just recently. I got sick of waiting 6 months for OS updates, force closes, battery pulls, POS apps put together by some kid in his basement and all the other junk that Android has become. So just because there are those of us who choose a platform that actually runs smoothly and one that updates 3 year old phones the same day as brand new ones (something you will NEVER see with Android) doesn't mean we don't know anything about the competition.

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Wrong. You know how many Android phones have ICS? 3 percent ICS has been out for 5 months. That is simply pathetic. Only a few countries got the S2 rollout, nowhere near all the people who own one. They haven't even announced when its coming to the US, so you are wrong there too.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402538,00.asp

You'll never see an old Android device get an update? So the OG droid (2 1/2 years old or so) that got an update in November 2011 (around the time iOS 5 was released) didn't happen? There is no more reason to upgrade it anymore the device is rock solid. I actually read someone say why doesn't google update apple updated to 5.1. I laughed that was for bug fixing as if that counts as a significant update.

One may argue that it's not going to get ICS but that's only because it's actually a significant update unlike ios it even looks different (WOW). The device just can't handle it. But the nexus s (nearly a 1 1/2 years old) did get ICS because it can handle it, same with the Xoom getting ICS. I have a friend that upgraded from a 3GS to a 4S because iOS 5 crippled his phone. Why would I want that update? To brag about it? No thanks. All supporting old devices does is limit what you can do with the new OS. Are you telling me iOS will always suck because of 3GS owners?

Most of the time manufacture UI includes features and fixes that google releases in updates so there is no point in getting an update. If google added camera from the lock screen but the phone already had it there is no reason to get that update.

Most people apparently like you are just about the specs. Whoever dies with the highest version wins. :)

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 04:34 PM
Ok. The Samsung Nexus S 4G is a Google phone, however, it still has not received ICS 5 months later. Reason? Google and Sprint came up with some BS about CDMA being harder to update than GSM. Really? I have a CDMA iPhone from Sprint and I got the 5.1 update same day the GSM iPhone did. iPhone wins. Next...

I wasn't aware of this, as I don't use Sprint. By the way, why are you so intent on "picking a winner"? My point still stands. Educate yourself. You have helped educate me a little right there! I will not be picking a Google phone on Sprint's network anytime soon. :)

EDIT: FWIW, jumping from 5.0 to 5.1 in iOS is not the same as going from gingerbread to ICS, which was a huge rewrite. Not defending Android here, it could just be a load of bull, or there could be truth to it.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:37 PM
Every time you post you post more BS. You'll never see an old Android device get an update?

I said that you will never see a 3 year old Android phone get updated to the new OS the same day as a brand new one. The 3Gs got iOS 5 same day iPhone 4s did. You will NEVER see that with Android. Thats IF you even find a carrier supporting an Android phone for 3 years, good luck with that.

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:38 PM
I said that you will never see a 3 year old Android phone get updated to the new OS the same day as a brand new one. Thats IF you even find a carrier supporting an Android phone for 3 years, good luck with that.

Android has a larger market share than iOS and a much wider range of carriers and devices (with their own custom skins) to contend with. Updating everyone at the same time would be a logistical nightmare and practically impossible.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:40 PM
EDIT: FWIW, jumping from 5.0 to 5.1 in iOS is not the same as going from gingerbread to ICS, which was a huge rewrite. Not defending Android here, it could just be a load of bull, or there could be truth to it.

Yep, a load of bull. It doesn't matter how big or small the update is. I never saw an update quicker than 4 months with any Android phone I had. You will be waiting a good 5-6 months to ever see it on your Android phone unless its a Nexus phone on a GSM network. Kinda limits your options there doesn't it? :)

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 04:40 PM
The 3Gs got iOS 5 same day iPhone 4s did.

True story. A 3GS with 5.x sucks. Also a true story.

Rennir
Apr 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
Discussion boards are for sharing stories, opinions, advice, are they not?

Yes but there are literally dozens of threads on this very topic, and each thread has tens if not hundreds of posts that argue each side that any new thread will inevitably be repeating what has already been stated (most likely multiple times) that its just not worth the time.

Besides, there's so many logical fallacies and disinformation (personal anecdotes, badly cited data, etc.) that it's really better for a consumer to go an try them out themselves.

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
Yep, a load of bull. It doesn't matter how big or small the update is. I never saw an update quicker than 4 months with any Android phone I had. You will be waiting a good 5-6 months to ever see it on your Android phone unless its a Nexus phone on a GSM network. Kinda limits your options there doesn't it? :)

Just wondering, do you know this as fact? With the onset of LTE (a GSM technology), I am sure this issue will be behind us pretty soon anyway. But it isn;t a good problem to have, admittedly.

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:42 PM
Yep, a load of bull. It doesn't matter how big or small the update is. I never saw an update quicker than 4 months with any Android phone I had. You will be waiting a good 5-6 months to ever see it on your Android phone unless its a Nexus phone on a GSM network. Kinda limits your options there doesn't it? :)

You have the option of rooting and upgrading to a custom rom very early on, so your options aren't "limited" at all. Some people prefer not to run the "risk" of doing this but the option is there.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:43 PM
Android has a larger market share than iOS and a much wider range of carriers and devices (with their own custom skins) to contend with. Updating everyone at the same time would be a logistical nightmare and practically impossible.

...and there is the exact problem with Android that will be its eventual downfall. Once it gets to the point where these carriers have to figure out how to make Google's updates run on 8 different processors running a number of different cores and different CPU chips, forget it. Its going to reach the point VERY soon where you will never see an OS update for an Android phone, carrier are already overwhelmed and it will get worse. Have fun with that though.

GoCubsGo
Apr 3, 2012, 04:43 PM
The battery life on my Droid X was far superior to any iPhone I've ever owned.

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:44 PM
Yes but there are literally dozens of threads on this very topic, and each thread has tens if not hundreds of posts that argue each side that any new thread will inevitably be repeating what has already been stated (most likely multiple times) that its just not worth the time.

Besides, there's so many logical fallacies and disinformation (personal anecdotes, badly cited data, etc.) that it's really better for a consumer to go an try them out themselves.

I agree with your second paragraph :D

Ultimately I don't see the harm in discussing commonly debated topics again! The thread title is very specific, people can simply avoid this topic if they wish.

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 04:45 PM
..iPhone wins. Next...

So it wins because it gets an update across the board the same day ? That's bound to happen when the hardware and software is manufactured by the same company! No surprises there. It has no one else to cater to!

The iPhone *may* win when it gets LTE, steps away from the icon-only UI, allows for memory card, removable battery etc etc.. Oh, on the software side, gets true multitasking..

On the same note, Android isn't as mature because it's evolving at a steady pace. Apple iOS, on the other had, has pretty much remained the same with incremental upgrades aka playing it safe. This has thus proven to be a good thing for Apple because it's made iOS really stable.

However, as most of us can see now, iOS users are bored with the same UI and same size screen and what not.. This is why we see so many Android threads popping up on an Apple forum. People are gravitating towards something new, yet proven!

It's natural in the tech world. Apple has milked this iOS layout and snail-paced advancements beyond it's capacity!!

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 04:47 PM
I said that you will never see a 3 year old Android phone get updated to the new OS the same day as a brand new one. The 3Gs got iOS 5 same day iPhone 4s did. You will NEVER see that with Android. Thats IF you even find a carrier supporting an Android phone for 3 years, good luck with that.

You could just say your wrong and I'm right. I can live with that. Ignoring the rest of my post admits defeat so yay me!! :)

matttye
Apr 3, 2012, 04:48 PM
...and there is the exact problem with Android that will be its eventual downfall. Once it gets to the point where these carriers have to figure out how to make Google's updates run on 8 different processors running a number of different cores and different CPU chips, forget it. Its going to reach the point VERY soon where you will never see an OS update for an Android phone, carrier are already overwhelmed and it will get worse. Have fun with that though.

It won't get worse for me because I root my phone and Android has an excellent developer community.

Plus timely software updates are only a concern for the geeks and it's not going to be the downfall of Android. Get real. Androids overwhelming success is because it targets all markets; power users, people who want something cheap, business, etc etc. Theres a phone for everyone.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:49 PM
So it wins because it gets an update across the board the same day ? That's bound to happen when the hardware and software is manufactured by the same company! No surprises there. It has no one else to cater to!

The iPhone *may* win when it gets LTE, steps away from the icon-only UI, allows for memory card, removable battery etc etc.. Oh, on the software side, gets true multitasking..

On the same note, Android isn't as mature because it's evolving at a steady pace. Apple iOS, on the other had, has pretty much remained the same with incremental upgrades aka playing it safe. This has thus proven to be a good thing for Apple because it's made iOS really stable.

However, as most of us can see now, iOS users are bored with the same UI and same size screen and what not.. This is why we see so many Android threads popping up on an Apple forum. People are gravitating towards something new, yet proven!

It's natural in the tech world. Apple has milked this iOS layout and snail-paced advancements beyond it's capacity!!

yea, the iPhone is in real trouble LOL

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/iphone-4s-outselling-all-android-phones-at-sprint-and-at-t-analyst

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 04:51 PM
yea, the iPhone is in real trouble LOL

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/iphone-4s-outselling-all-android-phones-at-sprint-and-at-t-analyst

When did I say the iPhone was in trouble ?

You seem to read what you *want* to read!

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 04:53 PM
When did I say the iPhone was in trouble ?

You seem to read what you *want* to read!

Hmmmm, you basically said people are leaving the iPhone for something new like Android! If you meant something else in your post, please explain.

SurferMan
Apr 3, 2012, 04:53 PM
True story. A 3GS with 5.x sucks. Also a true story.Agree, seemed fine at first and ran very smooth but then my 3GS became so laggy and glitchy after awhile. I just checked it to see and it seemed fine swiping and scrolling then the hiccups start, most notably no wifi still since iOS5 update which plenty have complained about and Apple finally acknowledged but doesn't know how to fix (seems to affect X phones made durring X period)... yet if downgraded to iOS4 wifi works fine, explain that lol? But the other big issue, huge lag when typing now. Fresh install on new restore doesn't make a difference, neither did jb'd or non-jb'd. The 4 run's smooth on iOS5 however it too has had no wifi unless right next to the router, and I know electronics, played and changed every setting of the router, no difference, even replaced the wifi cables in the phones to check. Even went as far as sending an email with others describing the same thing, and going to the Apple store with my MBP to jb/downgrade and show them the glitch with wifi which they said others had same complaints but nothing they could do as Apple didn't have anything in the system regarding it, they still don't even though they acknowledge the glitch plaguing many.

That's pretty much what pushed me to the GSII, plus I got in on that killer Sams Club special online at .96 cents for the phone on upgrade or whatever it was, couldn't pass that up. Didn't want the 4S and wanted soemthing different, and been happy since, no complaints. 4S replaced the gf's new Bold that crapped out, couldn't stand using BB ui and system anyway lol, it's so clumsy vs iOS and Android.

rjohnstone
Apr 3, 2012, 04:55 PM
...and there is the exact problem with Android that will be its eventual downfall. Once it gets to the point where these carriers have to figure out how to make Google's updates run on 8 different processors running a number of different cores and different CPU chips, forget it. Its going to reach the point VERY soon where you will never see an OS update for an Android phone, carrier are already overwhelmed and it will get worse. Have fun with that though.
The carriers don't have to figure anything out. They don't write any code at all, the phone manufacturer does.

The carrier simply runs tests against the radio firmware and drops in any branding.
They do the same radio firmware tests for all iOS updates as well. ;)
Apple can't push an iOS update that includes any radio changes out without the carrier sign off.

If you knew anything about how to code for Android you would know this.
The vendor takes the underlying OS and frameworks from Google and applies their kernel drivers for the hardware they're using and then they add their customizations.

Stainlessray
Apr 3, 2012, 04:56 PM
OP "I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them Sam I am.

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 04:58 PM
Hmmmm, you basically said people are leaving the iPhone for something new like Android! If you meant something else in your post, please explain.

And, they are! It's pretty evident from a few threads here.. But, that doesn't imply the iPhone being in trouble as people will migrate from other OS'es, and many existing ones will stay loyal, to the iOS!

Pretty simple concept!

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 05:00 PM
Agree, seemed fine at first and ran very smooth but then my 3GS became so laggy and glitchy after awhile. I just checked it to see and it seemed fine swiping and scrolling then the hiccups start, most notably no wifi still since iOS5 update which plenty have complained about and Apple finally acknowledged but doesn't know how to fix (seems to affect X phones made durring X period)... yet if downgraded to iOS4 wifi works fine, explain that lol? But the other big issue, huge lag when typing now. Fresh install on new restore doesn't make a difference, neither did jb'd or non-jb'd. The 4 run's smooth on iOS5 however it too has had no wifi unless right next to the router, and I know electronics, played and changed every setting of the router, no difference, even replaced the wifi cables in the phones to check. Even went as far as sending an email with others describing the same thing, and going to the Apple store with my MBP to jb/downgrade and show them the glitch with wifi which they said others had same complaints but nothing they could do as Apple didn't have anything in the system regarding it, they still don't even though they acknowledge the glitch plaguing many.

NO!!! The update to ios 5 worked perfectly!!! Updates are all that matters!! (sarcasm intended)

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 05:02 PM
Agree, seemed fine at first and ran very smooth but then my 3GS became so laggy and glitchy after awhile. I just checked it to see and it seemed fine swiping and scrolling then the hiccups start, most notably no wifi still since iOS5 update which plenty have complained about and Apple finally acknowledged but doesn't know how to fix (seems to affect X phones made durring X period)... yet if downgraded to iOS4 wifi works fine, explain that lol? But the other big issue, huge lag when typing now. Fresh install on new restore doesn't make a difference, neither did jb'd or non-jb'd. The 4 run's smooth on iOS5 however it too has had no wifi unless right next to the router, and I know electronics, played and changed every setting of the router, no difference, even replaced the wifi cables in the phones to check. Even went as far as sending an email with others describing the same thing, and going to the Apple store with my MBP to jb/downgrade and show them the glitch with wifi which they said others had same complaints but nothing they could do as Apple didn't have anything in the system regarding it, they still don't even though they acknowledge the glitch plaguing many.

That's pretty much what pushed me to the GSII, plus I got in on that killer Sams Club special online at .96 cents for the phone on upgrade or whatever it was, couldn't pass that up. Didn't want the 4S and wanted soemthing different, and been happy since, no complaints. 4S replaced the gf's new Bold that crapped out, couldn't stand using BB ui and system anyway lol, it's so clumsy vs iOS and Android.

What happens if your S2 becomes glitchy after the ICS update? Thats a VERY real possibility. You going to sell it and get a Windows phone?

rjohnstone
Apr 3, 2012, 05:11 PM
What happens if your S2 becomes glitchy after the ICS update? Thats a VERY real possibility. You going to sell it and get a Windows phone?
The S2 (I91xx) ICS update is already out. Been out for almost a month now.
Works just fine.
The leaks of official ICS builds for other S2 variants (I777, I727/R) work nicely too.
Those builds are all in carrier testing right now, but the leaks are available on XDA and Rootwiki.

lordofthereef
Apr 3, 2012, 05:11 PM
What happens if your S2 becomes glitchy after the ICS update? Thats a VERY real possibility. You going to sell it and get a Windows phone?

Sounds like a big reason he went for a new phone with more power was that it was 96 cents on upgrade. Missed that part?

But as a general rule, yes. Once your hardware becomes too outdated to run current software properly, people tend to upgrade.

cynics
Apr 3, 2012, 05:13 PM
What happens if your S2 becomes glitchy after the ICS update? Thats a VERY real possibility. You going to sell it and get a Windows phone?

Its not a possibility though. People have already been running it unofficially sorry.

marksman
Apr 3, 2012, 05:25 PM
Wirelessly posted

Google is an advertising company. Apple is a hardware, software and content distribution company. I wouldn't buy my computer from the Tribune Group.

Wirelessly posted

2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

Fragmentation is a dirty word for CHOICE! A lot of iOS users want a different flavor and are forced to jump to anoter OS.

Yeah no it's not. It is the reality of having devices being eoled the day they are released with little to no chance of official upgrades.

SurferMan
Apr 3, 2012, 05:29 PM
What happens if your S2 becomes glitchy after the ICS update? Thats a VERY real possibility. You going to sell it and get a Windows phone?So far people are impressed with the build on this phone and thats with a leaked version they've been working on, though I still think there was an issue or two for them to workout, something to do with reminders not running con-current unless that was fixed already? Way better then having no wifi and other issues on the iPhones after updating lol.

Not worried with this phone line b/c it has massive support by dev's and it's too easy to root and rom. With Apple your pretty much sol with updates, bet with iOS6 the 4S will be fine but the 4 will be iffy, just like the 3gs is, and before that the 3G and 2 with updates.

However it seems carriers, at least with Samsung and AT&T are trying to get on a faster sched for updates. So hopefully it get's better down the road for those that don't want to root/rom.

kgeier82
Apr 3, 2012, 05:33 PM
Thought I should chime in, as I own both currently. Im having a hard time keeping my 4s over the Nexus I have....heres why.

I think ICS is a huge step in the right direction. Is it all the way there? NO. But there is something about calendar widgets, custom roms, and the overall feel of android that I feel appeals more to me.

Yes I have a new ipad. Yes I have a mac...but I use google for everything, have purcahsed 20GB (5$), and use picasa. The android just fits, where the iphone, while a nicer overall phone (minus the screen, the android blacks are phenominal), lacks a few things for me.

1. In no fault to iphone, but have to mention it. I get 4gb with the droid, only 2gb with the iphone, for the same price.
2. I get a bigger screen. I cant wait for an iphone with a 4".
3. Widgets. Iconstantly found myself not checking my cal/todo with the iphone, ause they arent right in front always...yes I used lockinfo, but its just not available on the 4s right now.

I wouldnt have touched a pre-ICS phone, I had a few, and they were crap. The only thing that doesnt work well with ICS/nexus is pandora on wifi (the wifi drops out). Are there quirks? YOU BET. The iphone rocks at music, driod, (Getting there). I wish google music did smart playlists, but it doesnt.

Yes the iphone games better, takes better photos, and seems to get about 5% better battery life, but its just not enough for me to keep Im afraid. The nexus screen wins it for me.

To each his own for sure, IOS isnt wrong, nor is anyone that prefers it. I just am a tweeker (as well at work), and android just fits better right now.

If you all questions shoot. I am open to discuss :)

Invincibilizer
Apr 3, 2012, 05:57 PM
For me the Android experience is 2nd rate & lower class due to the following:

1. Premium feel

Samsung galaxy s ii owners might deny it to try and make themselves feel better but the fact of the matter is that th iPhone has a premium feel to its build, whereas Android phones usually feel like cheap toys.

2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

3. Resale value

Android phones have terrible resale value when compared to the iPhone. This is because of the fragmentation issue which makes it so that you have hundreds of different Android phones and only a few people out there that want your particular model (if it's not already outdated, which it probably will be).

With the iPhone there's only a particular model for that year, so the amount of buyers you have is huge compared to a particular android model that will be replaced in a few months.

Look no further than Droid Razr owners to see just how little Android manufacturers care about you. They come out with a particular model... then... a few months later come out with a better version (Droid Razr Maxx) making your purchase obsolete and killing any demand or resale value you had.

4. Pure experience

Apple doesn't let manufacturers put bloat ware on its iPhone. With Android you always have some terrible skin on it (be it sense, touchwiz, etc) that not only slows down the phone, but also makes it impossible for you to get new Android updates anywhere close to on time. It literally takes the manufacturers MONTHS and MONTHS to get their ugly skin with tons of bloatware integrated into the new update and by the time you finally get it your phone is already outdated.

5. Battery life

Battery life on 99% of Android phones is 2nd rate compared to the iPhone. Not much more needs to be said besides this.




There are too many things to go over with just one post so I'll finish this list at a later time, in the meantime... What are the reasons that you feel Android is a lower class experience compare to the iPhone? What made you chose the iPhone over it?

Btw I dont care to hear about excuses for the many problems with Android... So don't bother I won't respond ;) I only want to know from iPhone owners and their insight as to why they chose the iPhone over Android.

Yet you are the user who repeatedly call other people "trolls"

Hypocrisy at its finest!

Android is no way inferior to iOS, you are just refusing to accept the facts.

ChrisTX
Apr 3, 2012, 06:32 PM
You're a couple years late to the game. It's been done in large numbers. I came from Android. There are plenty of iPhone fanboys stoking arguments on the Droid forums.

Although I was being facetious, I guess it does go both ways. I'm definitely not surprised really.

iperson21
Apr 3, 2012, 06:34 PM
For me the Android experience is 2nd rate & lower class due to the following:

1. Premium feel

Samsung galaxy s ii owners might deny it to try and make themselves feel better but the fact of the matter is that th iPhone has a premium feel to its build, whereas Android phones usually feel like cheap toys.

2. Fragmentation

The iPhone doesn't have this problem. Most anyone with a device in the last 3 years can get an update the very day it comes out. You don't have to wait around like a helpless child hoping your carrier doesn't hold things up further.

Look at Ice Cream Sandwich. It's been out what 5 months already? and only a single device has had it (Galaxy Nexus)

3. Resale value

Android phones have terrible resale value when compared to the iPhone. This is because of the fragmentation issue which makes it so that you have hundreds of different Android phones and only a few people out there that want your particular model (if it's not already outdated, which it probably will be).

With the iPhone there's only a particular model for that year, so the amount of buyers you have is huge compared to a particular android model that will be replaced in a few months.

Look no further than Droid Razr owners to see just how little Android manufacturers care about you. They come out with a particular model... then... a few months later come out with a better version (Droid Razr Maxx) making your purchase obsolete and killing any demand or resale value you had.

4. Pure experience

Apple doesn't let manufacturers put bloat ware on its iPhone. With Android you always have some terrible skin on it (be it sense, touchwiz, etc) that not only slows down the phone, but also makes it impossible for you to get new Android updates anywhere close to on time. It literally takes the manufacturers MONTHS and MONTHS to get their ugly skin with tons of bloatware integrated into the new update and by the time you finally get it your phone is already outdated.

5. Battery life

Battery life on 99% of Android phones is 2nd rate compared to the iPhone. Not much more needs to be said besides this.




There are too many things to go over with just one post so I'll finish this list at a later time, in the meantime... What are the reasons that you feel Android is a lower class experience compare to the iPhone? What made you chose the iPhone over it?

Btw I dont care to hear about excuses for the many problems with Android... So don't bother I won't respond ;) I only want to know from iPhone owners and their insight as to why they chose the iPhone over Android.

Jeez. Look at the other side of things. (This is coming from an android + ipod touch 4 + macbook air user)

1- Premium Feel- Yes, iPhone does have a "premium" feel, and looks alot sleeker than most Android phones. But the boxy shape makes it feel awkward in your hand and makes it uber-prone to breakage when dropped. Yes, most android phones (including mine) are made out plastic, but there are pros/cons to that.

2. OH NO! I have to wait a full week to get an update. If you can drop $200+ on a phone, I'm sure you'll survive a week to get your update. If you are that desperate, go on an android forum website for your phone and manually root and flash the ROM.

3. Again, you're going to go drop $200, possibly $300 on your phone. Does it really matter on the resale value? You should pick out the phone you like, and not worry about the resale value. Yes, resale value is a nice perk, but an old android or iPhone has a lot of different uses, e.g. dedicated device for recipes or alarm clock.

4. Skins aren't that ugly. Honestly, if you get a different launcher, and a couple different system apps (e.g. a new one for phone calls sms, contacts, and other built in apps), the only remaining part of the skin is the status bar, which if you are desperate, can be changed by rooting/flashing a new rom, where it can be customized the he!! out of, to exactly the way you want it. As for bloatwear, I don't see whats the big deal. If you don't want it, don't use it. If you want to get rid of it so bad and its killing you, just flash another ROM. Yes, it may be difficult to understand at first, but its not anything that someone who can afford to spend $200+ on a phone shouldn't be able to understand.

5. Battery life? Yup. iPhone pretty much wins here. Flash a different ROM on Android, and you have a completely different story. Last week, I was on battery for 14 hours, and still had 84% battery left. But a tip to ANY smartphone users trying to save battery on their phone, turn off the internet when you aren't using your phone!!! yes, you may not get notifications, but if you occasionally check for notifications, you'll be fine and save a crazy amount of battery.

Forgot to mention- Yes, most android phones won't ever see the light of ICS. But if you pay the premium for a high end android phone, (which is basically the same cost as an iPhone 4S), you will get updates. Its the cheap phones that never get updates because as someone in this thread said earlier, there is no point, as most customers of those cheap phones will have never even heard of ICS.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jeez. Look at the other side of things. (This is coming from an android + ipod touch 4 + macbook air user)

1- Premium Feel- Yes, iPhone does have a "premium" feel, and looks alot sleeker than most Android phones. But the boxy shape makes it feel awkward in your hand and makes it uber-prone to breakage when dropped. Yes, most android phones (including mine) are made out plastic, but there are pros/cons to that.

2. OH NO! I have to wait a full week to get an update. If you can drop $200+ on a phone, I'm sure you'll survive a week to get your update. If you are that desperate, go on an android forum website for your phone and manually root and flash the ROM.

3. Again, you're going to go drop $200, possibly $300 on your phone. Does it really matter on the resale value? You should pick out the phone you like, and not worry about the resale value. Yes, resale value is a nice perk, but an old android or iPhone has a lot of different uses, e.g. dedicated device for recipes or alarm clock.

4. Skins aren't that ugly. Honestly, if you get a different launcher, and a couple different system apps (e.g. a new one for phone calls sms, contacts, and other built in apps), the only remaining part of the skin is the status bar, which if you are desperate, can be changed by rooting/flashing a new rom, where it can be customized the he!! out of, to exactly the way you want it. As for bloatwear, I don't see whats the big deal. If you don't want it, don't use it. If you want to get rid of it so bad and its killing you, just flash another ROM. Yes, it may be difficult to understand at first, but its not anything that someone who can afford to spend $200+ on a phone shouldn't be able to understand.

5. Battery life? Yup. iPhone pretty much wins here. Flash a different ROM on Android, and you have a completely different story. Last week, I was on battery for 14 hours, and still had 84% battery left. But a tip to ANY smartphone users trying to save battery on their phone, turn off the internet when you aren't using your phone!!! yes, you may not get notifications, but if you occasionally check for notifications, you'll be fine and save a crazy amount of battery.

You DO realize that most of your solutions were to hack the phone, thus voiding the warranty right? Just the fact that you have to hack the phone to make it useable should send up a red flag from the start. I used to think that way too, no big deal, I can just root and ROM. How sad is it that the POS Android platform has to be exploited and a whole new OS created by hackers just to make it run right. Pathetic.

Invincibilizer
Apr 3, 2012, 06:51 PM
You DO realize that most of your solutions were to hack the phone, thus voiding the warranty right? Just the fact that you have to hack the phone to make it useable should send up a red flag from the start. I used to think that way too, no big deal, I can just root and ROM. How sad is it that the POS Android platform has to be exploited and a whole new OS created by hackers just to make it run right. Pathetic.

You do realize that rooting is an option like jailbreaking. Majority of users don't hack their phones and it runs fine.

There's nothing wrong with rooting to gain extra capabilities, by your reasoning, iOS is a POS platform( which it isn't) because one has to jailbreak it for Cydia tweaks....?

My self in particular, I have no interest in rooting although I did perform several jailbreaks to allow for extra functions.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 06:57 PM
You do realize that rooting is an option like jailbreaking. Majority of users don't hack their phones and it runs fine.

LOL, you are new to Android. You have no clue dude. No it doesn't run fine. You will have to root and install a custom ROM on your Android to get decent battery life unless you are getting a Maxx. You will also have to root it if you want to see any new updates to your phone. You will have to root it to remove all the bloatware your carrier loads it up with that also slows it down. Try running an Android phone on the stock ROM, go ahead LOL

wpotere
Apr 3, 2012, 07:06 PM
LOL, you are new to Android. You have no clue dude. No it doesn't run fine. You will have to root and install a custom ROM on your Android to get decent battery life unless you are getting a Maxx. You will also have to root it if you want to see any new updates to your phone. You will have to root it to remove all the bloatware your carrier loads it up with that also slows it down. Try running an Android phone on the stock ROM, go ahead LOL

Gonna drag this into the ditch just like you did the Note thread? I know plenty of Android users that are getting great battery life without rooting. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean others don't. Give it a rest will ya?

Invincibilizer
Apr 3, 2012, 07:13 PM
LOL, you are new to Android. You have no clue dude. No it doesn't run fine. You will have to root and install a custom ROM on your Android to get decent battery life unless you are getting a Maxx. You will also have to root it if you want to see any new updates to your phone. You will have to root it to remove all the bloatware your carrier loads it up with that also slows it down. Try running an Android phone on the stock ROM, go ahead LOL

No I'm quite sure of what I am running in to.

No way am I getting a gingerbread phone, Any one of the HTC One phones with ICS pre installed should run super smooth as 5.0.1 did when I first upgraded to that.

Only problem I see is bloatware which I am expecting to be massive but like newstand, I'll put them all in to a folder and forget about them. :)
If 1GB ram isn't enough, I'll most likely find something in play/android market to circumvent the bloatware. Besides ICS and Dual core is quite a combo, bloatware has no chance.

I was always on airplane mode and auto brightness worked well on iOS, always got back home with 30-40%.

LSUtigers03
Apr 3, 2012, 07:33 PM
LOL, you are new to Android. You have no clue dude. No it doesn't run fine. You will have to root and install a custom ROM on your Android to get decent battery life unless you are getting a Maxx. You will also have to root it if you want to see any new updates to your phone. You will have to root it to remove all the bloatware your carrier loads it up with that also slows it down. Try running an Android phone on the stock ROM, go ahead LOL

I'm running a stock Skyrocket and Galaxy Nexus. Both work great and last me all day with no issue. As for bloatware most of the preinstalled iPhone apps are bloat apps and completely worthless. Which is why people stick them in a folder and forget about them because there are App Store apps that are much better and offer more functionality.

macUser2007
Apr 3, 2012, 08:10 PM
Wirelessly posted

The day Google begins selling their own branded hardware with a guarantee of first day updates and unmodified roms, I will buy even if as a backup.

...

Then you should go and get a Galaxy Nexus....

I do have it and Android's ICS OS is pretty damned good. I still dislike the notifications bar (too busy and cluttered), iOS's rip off of it is definitely better designed.

I do like the 4.6" screen, which doesn't feel too big anymore and it is much more pleasant to use than a 3.5".

Otherwise, the two OSs are pretty close, IMO.

The iPhone hardware is better made and better designed, but the larger screen on the Galaxy Nexus outweighs the build quality for me. That and the Galaxy Nexus' built-in tethering, as well Google's built-in navigation.

Battery life is as good as the iPhone. The iPhone takes noticeably better photos, IMO.

I also do love the fact that Android has Flash, which means that I can browse sites which are simply unavailable to iOS. Before someone starts bitching about Flash, it works absolutely seamlessly on the Galaxy Nexus.

LSUtigers03
Apr 3, 2012, 08:16 PM
Then you should go and get a Galaxy Nexus....

I do have it and Android's ICS OS is pretty damned good. I still dislike the notifications bar (too busy and cluttered), iOS's rip off of it is definitely better designed.


I like Android's notifications more because of the notification bar. I prefer the notification icons to be there than to fill up the lock screen like they do on the iPhone. Also accessing the notification shade from the lock screen is a plus.

Rodimus Prime
Apr 3, 2012, 09:02 PM
LOL, you are new to Android. You have no clue dude. No it doesn't run fine. You will have to root and install a custom ROM on your Android to get decent battery life unless you are getting a Maxx. You will also have to root it if you want to see any new updates to your phone. You will have to root it to remove all the bloatware your carrier loads it up with that also slows it down. Try running an Android phone on the stock ROM, go ahead LOL

You know you are spreading FUD and boarder line trolling.
Battery life is fine on most phones. My Atrix 4G often times is making it 18+ hour days and still having juice left. The only thing I have done is rooted it but I am not running any app designed to save battery life.
Also the need to root is very limited. Rooted apps I run, Adblock, wifi tether, titanium back up, root explorer, and busy box.
On that list Adblock and wifi tether a normal person should consider running as the others you can do some real damaged to your phone.

The ROM I us is the stock one. I have not unlock my boot loader
Now I do use a custom launcher which is ADW EX but that does not require root. Android let's you customize how you want things to look.

wpotere
Apr 3, 2012, 09:05 PM
You know you are spreading FUD and boarder line trolling.



Borderline? he is trolling and clearly never used any of the products he is bashing.

Invincibilizer
Apr 3, 2012, 09:54 PM
You know you are spreading FUD and boarder line trolling.
Battery life is fine on most phones. My Atrix 4G often times is making it 18+ hour days and still having juice left. The only thing I have done is rooted it but I am not running any app designed to save battery life.
Also the need to root is very limited. Rooted apps I run, Adblock, wifi tether, titanium back up, root explorer, and busy box.
On that list Adblock and wifi tether a normal person should consider running as the others you can do some real damaged to your phone.

The ROM I us is the stock one. I have not unlock my boot loader
Now I do use a custom launcher which is ADW EX but that does not require root. Android let's you customize how you want things to look.

Had to google it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

I'm fine though, spent many hours researching Android and Sense. :)

Its the people who actually just believes anything they hear to be true that will be suffering the main blow, battery life is a problem nowadays but I find it difficult to imagine how a person cant get a single days use on ANY android device.

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 10:05 PM
Had to google it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

I'm fine though, spent many hours researching Android and Sense. :)

Its the people who actually just believes anything they hear to be true that will be suffering the main blow, battery life is a problem nowadays but I find it difficult to imagine how a person cant get a single days use on ANY android device.

I experienced it first hand. I had the Hero, then I had to switch to the Evo 4G to get the new OS at the time which was 2.1 I believe. Then I got tired of waiting for the Evo to get an update and having issues with it force closing apps and crashing so I got the Nexus S 4G. That was a worthless phone with wifi and radio issues. It would go into roaming around town in busy areas. Samsung blame Sprint and Sprint blamed Samsung and Google. Meanwhile, we all got stuck with a POS device. So I left Sprint and went to T Mobile to get the HTC Sensation. That phone was garbage but that was T Mobiles fault. Switched back to Sprint and got the Evo 3D. More problems with that. The Friend Stream app that comes preinstalled kept making it crash and it was so unstable I almost rooted it but sold it instead. Then I got the galaxy S2/Epic Touch 4G. Great phone, no issues really aside from some weird keyboard things. However, once again there were no ICS updates to be found 5 months after its release. Decided I had enough of Android. Enough of the force closes and crashes, battery pulls and waiting around for OS updates that never happened. Time for a stable OS, updates the day they are released and a superior variety of apps.

ixodes
Apr 3, 2012, 10:12 PM
For me the Android experience is 2nd rate & lower class due to the following <snip>

Other than stating a few points that have already been made over and over, what is the point of this thread?

Seems a bit self serving. Admittedly it's an ideal platform for those who dwell in a negative environment.

Perhaps there's some deep intrinsic satisfaction for those who have nothing better to fulfill their need to play the critical expert.

lilo777
Apr 3, 2012, 10:18 PM
I experienced it first hand. I had the Hero, then I had to switch to the Evo 4G to get the new OS at the time which was 2.1 I believe. Then I got tired of waiting for the Evo to get an update and having issues with it force closing apps and crashing so I got the Nexus S 4G. That was a worthless phone with wifi and radio issues. It would go into roaming around town in busy areas. Samsung blame Sprint and Sprint blamed Samsung and Google. Meanwhile, we all got stuck with a POS device. So I left Sprint and went to T Mobile to get the HTC Sensation. That phone was garbage but that was T Mobiles fault. Switched back to Sprint and got the Evo 3D. More problems with that. The Friend Stream app that comes preinstalled kept making it crash and it was so unstable I almost rooted it but sold it instead. Then I got the galaxy S2/Epic Touch 4G. Great phone, no issues really aside from some weird keyboard things. However, once again there were no ICS updates to be found 5 months after its release. Decided I had enough of Android. Enough of the force closes and crashes, battery pulls and waiting around for OS updates that never happened. Time for a stable OS, updates the day they are released and a superior variety of apps.

But... you'll never get ICS on iPhone :confused: So, switching to iPhone is not really a solution. Now we learn (http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/10/iphone-ipad-apps-crash-more-android-apps-stats-show/)that iOS applications crash more frequently than their Android counterparts. And BTW, Google has just released ICS 4.0.4 and those who got it are raving about it. Here is quote (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1579017)from one ecstatic Galaxy Nexus owner:

Fastest smoothest Android phone I've ever owned... smooth as butter... no catching up on scroll lists, no lag period. 4.0.4 is an amazing software upgrade. All bugs of 4.0.2 have been fixed. No auto brightness problems, screen rotation fast and smooth. Bluetooth is awesome, wifi is awesome, 3G/4G radio is awesome.

And best of all... I'm getting 40-50% more battery power... I feel like I'm in looove with my Galaxy nexus all over again...

ap3604
Apr 3, 2012, 10:53 PM
Sigh... sometimes it seems like mbell1975, marksman, and a few others are the only sane ones in a sea of android zombies :rolleyes:

As I said in the OP people. I don't care about hearing the excuses for the problems of android all that does is confirm what I already know in how its inferior.

I only want to hear from iPhone users (on this iPhone forum) and their insight into why the iPhone is a much better choice than Android...

M5RahuL
Apr 3, 2012, 11:20 PM
Sigh... sometimes it seems like mbell1975, marksman, and a few others are the only sane ones in a sea of android zombies :rolleyes:

As I said in the OP people. I don't care about hearing the excuses for the problems of android all that does is confirm what I already know in how its inferior.

I only want to hear from iPhone users (on this iPhone forum) and their insight into why the iPhone is a much better choice than Android...

So, you only wanna hear from your fellow iSheep and pretend 'iOS is vastly superior to Android' .. no matter how far from the truth that may be... hmmm.... o..k!! :rolleyes:

Ignorance is truly bliss for your kind!!

Carry on!

Bosunsfate
Apr 3, 2012, 11:24 PM
But... you'll never get ICS on iPhone :confused: So, switching to iPhone is not really a solution. Now we learn (http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/10/iphone-ipad-apps-crash-more-android-apps-stats-show/)that iOS applications crash more frequently than their Android counterparts.


Do you normally read only a headline and never the actual content? Nor do you ever check a reference?

Not only does the source of the core report lead to a dead end, but the content of the article makes a completely unsubstantiated conclusion that the crashes are because Google allows developers to distributed apps directly, whereas Apple curates the OS.

In addition, the article claims to have normalized the data, but to what baseline?

Wow...and it gets even worse. The second article that is referenced by you, claims the iPhone 3G was released in 2007, when it was released in July of 2008.

You do realize the your sources need to be factually correct, right?

mbell1975
Apr 3, 2012, 11:32 PM
But... you'll never get ICS on iPhone :confused: So, switching to iPhone is not really a solution. Now we learn (http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/10/iphone-ipad-apps-crash-more-android-apps-stats-show/)that iOS applications crash more frequently than their Android counterparts. And BTW, Google has just released ICS 4.0.4 and those who got it are raving about it. Here is quote (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1579017)from one ecstatic Galaxy Nexus owner:

Fastest smoothest Android phone I've ever owned... smooth as butter... no catching up on scroll lists, no lag period. 4.0.4 is an amazing software upgrade. All bugs of 4.0.2 have been fixed. No auto brightness problems, screen rotation fast and smooth. Bluetooth is awesome, wifi is awesome, 3G/4G radio is awesome.

And best of all... I'm getting 40-50% more battery power... I feel like I'm in looove with my Galaxy nexus all over again...

Its ok, I don't want ICS or anything to do with Android any longer. My friend has a Galaxy Nexus. Its nice but I have already been there and done that, over it.

DerekRod
Apr 4, 2012, 12:29 AM
But that was not the context of his response. ;)

You stated :
Which is simply not true.
Rooting an Android phone in many cases is a simple matter of downloading and running a script. Anyone with the ability to follow simple instructions can do it.

Rooting stock ICS on an SGS2 takes a whole whopping 30 seconds.
Hell, the ICS image for the SGS2 was rooted within a couple of hours of its release.

You still can't properly jailbreak a 4S.
Only tethered jailbreaks exist for A5 devices and they're buggy.
Then I stand corrected my only experience was rooting a thunderbolt and it was a nightmare

Apollo 13
Apr 4, 2012, 12:35 AM
But... you'll never get ICS on iPhone :confused: So, switching to iPhone is not really a solution. Now we learn (http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/10/iphone-ipad-apps-crash-more-android-apps-stats-show/)that iOS applications crash more frequently than their Android counterparts. And BTW, Google has just released ICS 4.0.4 and those who got it are raving about it. Here is quote (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1579017)from one ecstatic Galaxy Nexus owner:

Fastest smoothest Android phone I've ever owned... smooth as butter... no catching up on scroll lists, no lag period. 4.0.4 is an amazing software upgrade. All bugs of 4.0.2 have been fixed. No auto brightness problems, screen rotation fast and smooth. Bluetooth is awesome, wifi is awesome, 3G/4G radio is awesome.

And best of all... I'm getting 40-50% more battery power... I feel like I'm in looove with my Galaxy nexus all over again...

Dude don't believe just one post you read. I have ics on my Asus Transformer and I see lag and have problems. When I install certain apps my tablet reboots. When I mess around with certain live wall papers it lags tablet. If I turn on full flash support makes tablet laggy. Good thing I can turn it off. It's still a great tablet but trust me not everyone is raving. I do want to try a Galxy Nexus...the phone looks sexy.

lilo777
Apr 4, 2012, 12:45 AM
Dude don't believe just one post you read. I have ics on my Asus Transformer and I see lag and have problems. When I install certain apps my tablet reboots. When I mess around with certain live wall papers it lags tablet. If I turn on full flash support makes tablet laggy. Good thing I can turn it off. It's still a great tablet but trust me not everyone is raving. I do want to try a Galxy Nexus...the phone looks sexy.

I do not need to trust this guy. I have Galaxy Nexus myself (GSM version) and I know for a fact that it's fast. I just wanted to point out to someone else's opinion :p

Sure, live wallpapers can cause delays (I do not use them), some applications may crash (same is true for iOS) and flash might be laggy (obviously, not on iOS). But iOS does not have those lags because it does not have any of these features. That's not really an advantage, is it?

phamduc.minhanh
Apr 4, 2012, 01:09 AM
I just feel that the iPhone (no matter what generation) just looks luxurious and classy, while a majority of Android phones look like some cheap rip-offs. One example is Samsung Galaxy II. It has a great performance, but the design just does not cut it for me. Well, maybe it's because of my taste and preference.

I find that the iPhone has far more accessories that its Android counterparts: a prodigious collection of cases, pouches, skins and external battery sets to begin with.

Last, Apple's after-sale services like warranty and repair are far more superior than those of Android manufacturers, in my humble opinion.

0m3ga
Apr 4, 2012, 02:43 AM
I do not need to trust this guy. I have Galaxy Nexus myself (GSM version) and I know for a fact that it's fast. I just wanted to point out to someone else's opinion :p

Sure, live wallpapers can cause delays (I do not use them), some applications may crash (same is true for iOS) and flash might be laggy (obviously, not on iOS). But iOS does not have those lags because it does not have any of these features. That's not really an advantage, is it?

I can also confirm that ICS 4.0.4 on the Touchpad is silky smooth. Live wallpapers dont bother it one bit. Flash Player 11 runs smooth too. And I have only had an app crash once since installing ics. ICS is a good OS, assuming you have the hardware to run it. (Same can be said for iOS 5.0 though.) Manufacturer UI's laid on top of ICS is a different story. That can be a craptastic experience.

chakraj
Apr 4, 2012, 10:39 AM
I have read this thread and find the arguments a bit complex at times.
Let me see if I can extrapolate this into language we can all understand.

"Nanny, Nanny, Boo, Boo, My phone is better than yours!"

I think that covers most posts up to this point.

Please forgive me if your post wasn't meant to sound like that, no offense meant for you.

Cordless_Drill
Apr 4, 2012, 11:31 AM
My iPhone doesn't require me to trash all my IMs/text messages every two months because it's out of memory.

That's worth the price of admission right there.

its93rc
Apr 4, 2012, 11:35 AM
I don't purchase Android phones mainly because there's a new one everyday. The "RAZR" & "RAZR MAXX" 3 month upgrade is just one of the vast examples of how they really don't care about their customers.

Oh and the names are ridiculous "Ice Cream Sandwich".

matttye
Apr 4, 2012, 12:14 PM
My iPhone doesn't require me to trash all my IMs/text messages every two months because it's out of memory.

That's worth the price of admission right there.

Nor does any phone with ample internal memory :p

If you buy a cheap phone with little memory, hardly any storage space, etc, then you're going to experience such problems.

lordofthereef
Apr 4, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nor does any phone with ample internal memory :p

If you buy a cheap phone with little memory, hardly any storage space, etc, then you're going to experience such problems.

Unfortunately the EVO I had, had this very issue. It was a flagship phone on Sprint, and was one of their best sellers, too.

Rodimus Prime
Apr 4, 2012, 12:17 PM
My iPhone doesn't require me to trash all my IMs/text messages every two months because it's out of memory.

That's worth the price of admission right there.

never knew of an Android phone that had that issue. Big time for any Android phone made with an internal SD card of some type.

matttye
Apr 4, 2012, 12:23 PM
Unfortunately the EVO I had, had this very issue. It was a flagship phone on Sprint, and was one of their best sellers, too.

My HTC Desire had the same problem (see a pattern here? :p) I think it's a mistake that HTC learned from; people want plenty of internal memory for app installs and data. It was aggravated by the fact that it took about half an hour to delete all my texts too :(

I ended up rooting and using an Apps2SD ROM so that I could shift all of the apps onto the SD card and free up internal memory.

Still loved that phone though :D

lordofthereef
Apr 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
I ended up rooting and using an Apps2SD ROM so that I could shift all of the apps onto the SD card and free up internal memory.



To Joe Blow consumer, this is unacceptable. I think that is the biggest proponent for the "iPhone just works" campaign. Features that are built into iOS (and I admit there are features that SHOULD be implemented which have yet to be) "just work" (maybe not Siri so much, LOL). The tinkering community is pretty small when looking at smartphone buyers as a whole.

matttye
Apr 4, 2012, 12:32 PM
To Joe Blow consumer, this is unacceptable. I think that is the biggest proponent for the "iPhone just works" campaign. Features that are built into iOS (and I admit there are features that SHOULD be implemented which have yet to be) "just work" (maybe not Siri so much, LOL). The tinkering community is pretty small when looking at smartphone buyers as a whole.

This is true. I can usually always help myself if there's a problem with my devices. I'm IT literate and enjoy learning and playing around with things, but for people who aren't into that sort of thing it would be frustrating.

There's a misconception that people that aren't good at IT are stupid but it's not the case, I work with highly experienced lawyers who have only just learnt how to text a smiley face haha.

Invincibilizer
Apr 4, 2012, 03:30 PM
I don't purchase Android phones mainly because there's a new one everyday. The "RAZR" & "RAZR MAXX" 3 month upgrade is just one of the vast examples of how they really don't care about their customers.

Oh and the names are ridiculous "Ice Cream Sandwich".

How does iOS 5.0.1 sound better?

Google brings a well known food item to their signature OS, they could not have done a better job naming their OS uniquely but also create buzz about it at the same time.

lordofthereef
Apr 4, 2012, 05:04 PM
How does iOS 5.0.1 sound better?


What about OSX's naming structure. Big cats? :rolleyes:

Dangerdog3000
Apr 4, 2012, 05:04 PM
I only have 1 reason really. It's because I don't think Android apps are as good as iOS apps. This is pretty much the only thing keeping me on an iPhone. I've been tempted by Android display sizes, displays and even the design of a few but in the end I always end up staying because of the app store.

Plus, having spent a good sum of money on the app store means if I switch I'm going to lose out on those premium apps and will need to repurchase android versions which will double the cost :(

cynics
Apr 4, 2012, 05:18 PM
I only have 1 reason really. It's because I don't think Android apps are as good as iOS apps. This is pretty much the only thing keeping me on an iPhone. I've been tempted by Android display sizes, displays and even the design of a few but in the end I always end up staying because of the app store.

Plus, having spent a good sum of money on the app store means if I switch I'm going to lose out on those premium apps and will need to repurchase android versions which will double the cost :(

Which apps do you mean? I find it nearly impossible to compare. Because an identical app is made by the same developer across platforms and I find the quality the same. Apps that are exclusive obviously can't be compared.

matttye
Apr 4, 2012, 05:52 PM
Which apps do you mean? I find it nearly impossible to compare. Because an identical app is made by the same developer across platforms and I find the quality the same. Apps that are exclusive obviously can't be compared.

I'll mention one for each platform.

Spotify is better on iOS. It has all of the features that the Android version has, plus you can see your friends' playlists and play music that's in their playlists.

Dropbox is better on Android. You can set it to automatically upload all of your photos and videos. On iOS you must share them manually (assuming this is still the case - it's been a few months since I used it on iOS).

chakraj
Apr 4, 2012, 05:55 PM
Hmm, such a cogent argument going on in this thread.

Although not admissible in court as a defense, I think the best response here would be the "I am rubber, you are glue." argument.

Or as I like to say " I am a injection molded highly elastic polymer, and you are an extremely Strong emalgomated adhesive substance" and whatever you say to me is directed back at you with equal and opposite force only to adhere to you.

0m3ga
Apr 4, 2012, 06:32 PM
Which apps do you mean? I find it nearly impossible to compare. Because an identical app is made by the same developer across platforms and I find the quality the same. Apps that are exclusive obviously can't be compared.

Zite would be a prime example. Complete crap interface on Android, but great on ios.

-aggie-
Apr 4, 2012, 06:50 PM
To Joe Blow consumer, this is unacceptable. I think that is the biggest proponent for the "iPhone just works" campaign. Features that are built into iOS (and I admit there are features that SHOULD be implemented which have yet to be) "just work" (maybe not Siri so much, LOL). The tinkering community is pretty small when looking at smartphone buyers as a whole.

However, when you run out on the iPhone you're done. There's no SD card to add.

lordofthereef
Apr 5, 2012, 12:12 PM
However, when you run out on the iPhone you're done. There's no SD card to add.

While this is true, I have yet to hear a person complain that this happened to their texts on their iphone even with the memory full. I know a lot of Android devices insisted on using internal memory only, for certain things, such as SMS caching. Sure there are tweaks to fix that. But I remind you, we are talking about Joe Blow here, who just wants something that works, and not something he has to download tweaks to make work.

TG1
Apr 5, 2012, 01:33 PM
I'm a tech geek so I love them both. :) One small thing I really like about Android - the LED light! Love being able to see at a glance (w/o unlocking) if I have a text, email, or other notification waiting for me. And even knowing what type of message I have (and from whom) based on the color. :thumbup:

lordofthereef
Apr 5, 2012, 01:44 PM
I'm a tech geek so I love them both. :) One small thing I really like about Android - the LED light! Love being able to see at a glance (w/o unlocking) if I have a text, email, or other notification waiting for me. And even knowing what type of message I have (and from whom) based on the color. :thumbup:

Same here. More Android phones need to incorporate this, honestly. And so does the iPhone.

rjohnstone
Apr 5, 2012, 02:05 PM
I'm a tech geek so I love them both. :) One small thing I really like about Android - the LED light! Love being able to see at a glance (w/o unlocking) if I have a text, email, or other notification waiting for me. And even knowing what type of message I have (and from whom) based on the color. :thumbup:
That's the one feature I miss from my Atrix. Colored LED notification based on message type.
The SGS2 can flash the camera flash, but it's not the same.

Cordless_Drill
Apr 5, 2012, 05:26 PM
never knew of an Android phone that had that issue. Big time for any Android phone made with an internal SD card of some type.

My wife's LG Ally had this issue. Clear all the IMs and it's fine. Dude at Verizon's solution: Clear them out and pull out the battery.

I was like: HUH? Honey, let's get you an iPhone.

Problem solved.

ap3604
Apr 5, 2012, 05:45 PM
My wife's LG Ally had this issue. Clear all the IMs and it's fine. Dude at Verizon's solution: Clear them out and pull out the battery.

I was like: HUH? Honey, let's get you an iPhone.

Problem solved.

That tends to solve alot of problems (like the one I listed in the OP as well) ;)

Sorry to hear your wife had to go through the annoyance of owning an android device... glad shes with a much better phone now :)

cynics
Apr 5, 2012, 05:53 PM
I'm a tech geek so I love them both. :) One small thing I really like about Android - the LED light! Love being able to see at a glance (w/o unlocking) if I have a text, email, or other notification waiting for me. And even knowing what type of message I have (and from whom) based on the color. :thumbup:

That is a feature I really miss too. You get so used to it then when you don't have it takes quite a bit of adjustment.

For the first month I had my iPhone I was delayed on sending replies to text and emails. I'd glance at my phone an then walk away.

I find I end up carrying my iPhone around the house more now.

Cordless_Drill
Apr 5, 2012, 08:30 PM
That tends to solve alot of problems (like the one I listed in the OP as well) ;)

Sorry to hear your wife had to go through the annoyance of owning an android device... glad shes with a much better phone now :)

She was very annoyed. She's not tech-savvy at all. She's really satisfied with her iPhone now, though, after a long learning curve. It's all good in the hood!