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stubeeef
Jul 2, 2005, 08:35 PM
Interesting 4th of July read.
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July 01, 2005, 8:19 a.m.
George W’s Quagmire
Different war, same old complaints.

By Michael Graham

Philadelphia, the American Colonies, July 4, 1776 — Leaders of the self-described “American patriots” movement gathered in this Pennsylvania city today to sign an official declaration of their political intentions, despite widespread criticism of a failing war policy and complaints that their military action was launched under false pretenses.
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“Here it is, July of 1776, and George W. and his lackeys are just now getting around to declaring what this war is supposedly all about?” complained Loyalist playwright Michael LeMoore. “Washington and his neo-congressionalists rushed us into war at Lexington and Concord, before anyone had ‘declared’ a single word about independence. Face it: George lied, and people died.”

LeMoore was referring to what patriots call “The shot heard 'round the world,” when colonial forces fired on British soldiers in violation of accepted international rules of military engagement.

Supporters of George Washington and the so-called “war for independence” dispute claims from the antiwar movement that their actions are unlawful, and they point to their formal “Declaration of Independence” as proof.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” reads the Declaration in part, “that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The document was reportedly written by Thomas Jefferson, a white, southern slave-owner, and one of the architects of the “patriot” movement.

Critics quickly noted the hypocrisy of Jefferson's reference to “unalienable rights” of liberty and the author's own record of slave-ownership.

“If they really believed in spreading ‘freedom,’ they would free their own slaves instead of killing the British and shelling innocent civilian Loyalist women and children in Boston and New York,” said Howard Deanne, head of the Loyalist National Committee. “And what of the recently uncovered Commonwealth Avenue memos, which would seem to indicate that those closest to Washington were planning for war after the Boston Tea Party back in '73? I'm telling you, the colonists of America have been misled into war!”

Though most colonists agree that King George III is a tyrant, polls consistently show that a minority of colonists support open military action against the British. Many pundits also question whether removing the monarchy will make any fundamental difference in the lives of Americans.

General Washington came to Philadelphia to report to members of the Continental Congress, and anonymous sources report he came under heavy fire over the actions of his army and the costs of the war.

“We lost 140 Americans at Bunker Hill, more than 600 killed or captured in our disastrous attacks on Canada, and there’s no end in sight,” said one congressional staffer who asked not to be identified. “People are asking, ‘When is this war going to end? What is our exit strategy?’ This is George W's war, no doubt about it.”

Indeed, as support for the war among the American colonists wanes, some Quaker antiwar activists are using the other “Q” word in colonial politics: quagmire. Some even suggest that the entire war was manufactured by Gen. Washington to settle a personal score with the British over perceived insults he endured during the French and Indian War.

“Washington was just looking for an excuse to go to war,” said prominent lady activist Rosalind O'Donnell. “Everyone knows little Georgie would be broke if not for his connections to major land speculators pushing out beyond Kentucky. This is just a land grab! No war for Ohio! No war for Ohio!”

Patriot leaders gathered in Philadelphia, however, were determined to ignore the mounting criticism and celebrate their unanimous adoption of the Declaration of Independence.

“I firmly believe that in the future, this day — July 4, 1776 — will be viewed as a great moment for America and for freedom around the world,” John Adams of Massachusetts told a handpicked audience of “patriot” supporters. But neither he nor any of the other speakers said anything new about the costs or justifications of this divisive war policy, returning instead as they often do to the broad themes of freedom and democracy.

The Declaration concludes by stating: “We, therefore…declare that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

“That's the kind of simplistic jingoism one expects to read in Fox's Daily Broadsheet, not in serious political discourse,” said Noah Chommsey, head of the political-science department at King’s College. “But the idea that the American colonists have come up with some superior form of self-government that is inherently more just than, say, monarchy or theocracy, is the height of arrogance.”

Meanwhile, the war effort continues. Loyalist supporters among the American colonists continue to support the British military, particularly in the South, and hopes are fading that a major European power will come to the aid of the Americans. Military analysts suggest that the American “War for Independence” could last another seven years and result in the death of up to one percent of the entire American population.

“Is a free, democratic America really worth such a price?” demanded playwright LeMoore. “I certainly don’t think so. The world shouldn’t look to America for leadership. They should look instead to courageous nations truly endowed with greatness. Like France.”

— Radio-talk host Michael Graham covers southern politics from his home in Virginia. He is an NRO contributor.
Link (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/graham200507010819.asp)



skunk
Jul 2, 2005, 08:49 PM
I think you'll find that the insurgents in Iraq are a more appropriate model.

stubeeef
Jul 2, 2005, 09:15 PM
I think you'll find that the insurgents in Iraq are a more appropriate model.

:p

solvs
Jul 3, 2005, 04:29 AM
And here I thought we were in Iraq because of 9/11. I mean WMDs. No, it is terrorists. Oh, ok, now it's for their freedom. Wait, it's all about 9/11 again apparently. :rolleyes: As skunk touched upon, the American Revolution was about our freedom from tyranny. This war is about the Iraqi freedom. I guess. I don't see anyone siding with Saddam. Even Bin Laden didn't. We just have a problem with the way the war is being handled, and a true patriot would look at how things are really going, and protest the mistakes of the administration. That's why we fought against King George in the first place. Freedom. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let anybody tell me I'm not patriotic, or even call me a traitor, because I complain when I call the government on it's gross mistakes that are getting my friends killed while the guy who actually did attack us is still running around free.

Comparing a liberal filmmaker to Benedict Arnold because his view is different than the current administration isn't going to help anybody. Link (http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=146) to someone who's actually been there. But I suppose the Iraq Vetrans Against the War are traitors too.

Thomas Veil
Jul 4, 2005, 10:19 AM
In related news, the ghost of George Washington arose from its grave and strangled a writer named Michael Graham. Police found a document which Graham authored, near Graham's mud-stained throat, comparing Washington to George Bush.

Contacted at the FBI about the bizarre case, agent Fox Mulder said, "No, we won't be investigating. Far as we can tell, he got what was coming to him."

miloblithe
Jul 4, 2005, 11:05 AM
"Beware of foreign entanglements."

skunk
Jul 4, 2005, 11:11 AM
"Beware of foreign entanglements."That's rich, coming from a man with dual nationality... :D

IJ Reilly
Jul 4, 2005, 03:57 PM
Just this morning I was chatting with a friend at a neighborhood 4th of July party and he mentioned a less-often quoted passage in the Declaration of Independence, which seems ever more timely. One of the grievances filed against King George:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies.

Happy Independence Day, everybody!

Thanatoast
Jul 4, 2005, 07:51 PM
it's an interesting little piece, but there's a major flaw. the iraqis aren't throwing off their oppressive gov't for independence. this is more akin to france invading and occupying the colonies in order to spread freedom. i'm guessing g.w. wouldn't have stood for that.

diamond geezer
Jul 4, 2005, 08:13 PM
I think this has more relevance than your original posting.

link (http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/declaration_of_impeachment.pdf)

St. Louis - A national veterans' organization today issued a "Declaration of Impeachment" and announced it is beginning an online petition to remove President Bush from office for crimes committed during the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Using the same language as the original "Declaration of Independence," Veterans For Peace cited many of the same reasons to remove George Bush that Thomas Jefferson cited to separate from King George of England. And in a modern version of the signing of the Declaration, VFP announced the posting of its online impeachment petition.

"The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny," Jefferson wrote, and then added the famous litany of abuses charged against the king that VFP said is unchanged today:

"He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has - deprive(ed) us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury - transport(ed) us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens - to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He is at this time transporting large Armies - to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

A (President) whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."
The veterans' Declaration of Impeachment came to the same conclusion as Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, when it declared " - it is the Right of the People - it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

VFP President, Dave Cline, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, said, "You bet it's our right and our duty! Today's tyrant named George may have little regard for the Constitution, but as members of the military we took an oath to uphold that document. George Bush has repeatedly violated not only the Constitution but federal law, by invading and occupying Iraq. In our system the remedy for such high crimes is clear: he must be impeached."

Emphasizing the gravity with which Veterans for Peace takes the impeachment of George Bush, Cline concluded by quoting the final sentence of the Declaration of Independence: "And for the support of this Declaration - we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

To sign the online petition, or to read the "Declaration of Impeachment" and VFP's documented case for removing George Bush, go to: VeteransForPeace.org

Veterans For Peace is a national organization founded in 1985, with 123 chapters across the country. Declaration of Impeachment
Issued by Veterans For Peace

Monday 04 July 2005

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are instituted to secure the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But

"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations - design(s) to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


...The history of the present King (George) of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny ... To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has - deprive(ed) us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury - transport(ed) us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us -.

He is at this time transporting large Armies - to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens - to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

A (President) whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
We, therefore - do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People - solemnly publish and declare, That these - Free and Independent (People) - are Absolved from all Allegiance to the (Bush Administration), and that all political connection between them and (this Administration), is and ought to be totally dissolved - And for the support of this Declaration - we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

(Note: Except for the first two lines above and words in parentheses, this Declaration is quoted directly from the original Declaration of Independence.)