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AlexArmani
Apr 16, 2012, 10:54 AM
Hi All I would like to share something with you guys. I was an iPhone4 user that enjoys all the apps and games alot But I needed an open system so I went to android SGS2 I had fun for a few months then Started Regretting. Android Market is full of Nonsense. Gameloft and Glu games Crashing I had all the fun in open system but apps totally sucks. I cant even find an app I like in SGS2.
There are pros and cons in iPhone4 for example you cant download anything from web browser without using an app Cant customize or download songs straight. But The AppStore OutWeigh all the cons. As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life. I just got myself an iPad2 but I still love iphone. I hope apple will maybe increase the size of the screen to 4.3 inch It will be the best phone. So all of you iPhone users out there who complains about iphone and that Android is better. Think again Dont make the foolish mistake as me Switching over and Regretting later. Pls leave comments on what you think
Thanks all



samcraig
Apr 16, 2012, 11:11 AM
Hi All I would like to share something with you guys. I was an iPhone4 user that enjoys all the apps and games alot But I needed an open system so I went to android SGS2 I had fun for a few months then Started Regretting. Android Market is full of Nonsense. Gameloft and Glu games Crashing I had all the fun in open system but apps totally sucks. I cant even find an app I like in SGS2.
There are pros and cons in iPhone4 for example you cant download anything from web browser without using an app Cant customize or download songs straight. But The AppStore OutWeigh all the cons. As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life. I just got myself an iPad2 but I still love iphone. I hope apple will maybe increase the size of the screen to 4.3 inch It will be the best phone. So all of you iPhone users out there who complains about iphone and that Android is better. Think again Dont make the foolish mistake as me Switching over and Regretting later. Pls leave comments on what you think
Thanks all

I switched to the skyrocket and couldn't be happier. Love the iphone. But wanted a change and any minor negatives for me have been outweighed by the positives. To each their own. Your mistake (nor anyone else's) is "foolish." There's nothing wrong with trying out different technologies and deciding for yourself (not for someone else) what is best.

mrbutters
Apr 16, 2012, 11:21 AM
As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life

Just curious which iPhone is faster than the Galaxy SII? Even at 3G speeds the SII is usually faster and at 4G, its not even a contest. If you wanted great battery life, you should have looked at the Droid Razr Maxx. I will still be around 50% battery after my 4s is dead and thats with it running on a very fast LTE network. In the end, you need to choose whats right for you though.

iceterminal
Apr 16, 2012, 11:48 AM
I'll whole heartedly disagree with any one that says "one phone is better than the rest". Because that statement is blatantly false.
Let me explain.
One phone that is perfect for me, meets all my needs, etc. will not be perfect for the next person.
Thus this phone is perfect, and then its not.

So to anyone saying that Android is better than iOS, or that iOS is better than Android, is merely showing that ignorance is limited to their own view point.
Just because you view something as better, or worse, does not mean the same to another person.

If your iPhone is great to you, then great! But if someone says "My SGSII is so far ahead of the iphone........" they too are right. But to me, they're wrong.

Its a simple logic: To each his own.

kalex
Apr 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
Hi All I would like to share something with you guys. I was an iPhone4 user that enjoys all the apps and games alot But I needed an open system so I went to android SGS2 I had fun for a few months then Started Regretting. Android Market is full of Nonsense. Gameloft and Glu games Crashing I had all the fun in open system but apps totally sucks. I cant even find an app I like in SGS2.
There are pros and cons in iPhone4 for example you cant download anything from web browser without using an app Cant customize or download songs straight. But The AppStore OutWeigh all the cons. As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life. I just got myself an iPad2 but I still love iphone. I hope apple will maybe increase the size of the screen to 4.3 inch It will be the best phone. So all of you iPhone users out there who complains about iphone and that Android is better. Think again Dont make the foolish mistake as me Switching over and Regretting later. Pls leave comments on what you think
Thanks all

sell SGS2 and go back to iphone

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 12:23 PM
Just curious which iPhone is faster than the Galaxy SII? Even at 3G speeds the SII is usually faster and at 4G, its not even a contest. If you wanted great battery life, you should have looked at the Droid Razr Maxx. I will still be around 50% battery after my 4s is dead and thats with it running on a very fast LTE network. In the end, you need to choose whats right for you though.

He was probably referring to CPU/GPU performance, opening apps and such. A friend of mine with Android was complaining to me yesterday about RAM usage on his device. Whenever he goes to a web page with a lot of graphics, Android will close other apps in the background that use ram...unfortunately that includes his home page and widgets. So if he pushes the home button after browsing for a bit, it literally takes 15+ seconds for the home page to open.

Biff...
Apr 16, 2012, 12:25 PM
I switched to Android, a few months after the 4s came out. I've had a great experience with the phone, all of my favoriate apps and more are on the system so I don't miss out. Gave my 4s the my wife and we are both happy.

SurferMan
Apr 16, 2012, 12:33 PM
He was probably referring to CPU/GPU performance, opening apps and such. A friend of mine with Android was complaining to me yesterday about RAM usage on his device. Whenever he goes to a web page with a lot of graphics, Android will close other apps in the background that use ram...unfortunately that includes his home page and widgets. So if he pushes the home button after browsing for a bit, it literally takes 15+ seconds for the home page to open.[COLOR="#808080"]
Doubt it unless he has an old device or not setup properly, I multitask like a mofo, easily have a bunch of tabs running in Dolphin HD on graphic intensive sites as I'm always doing something for business when out and about or browsing etc and no problems with ram with other stuff running in the background.

Gotta say, it's my first Android device, which I was totally against before. But I love it. No crashes, no issues, no lag, just fast and smooth... more crashes and glitches on the iPhones even new 4S (which is our 2nd one after returning the first). I've had 1 force close since Nov when I got it, and that was on facebook.

davidra
Apr 16, 2012, 12:39 PM
So to anyone saying that Android is better than iOS, or that iOS is better than Android, is merely showing that ignorance is limited to their own view point.
Just because you view something as better, or worse, does not mean the same to another person.



Actually, there are absolutes. Is iOS 5.1 better than Android 2.0? Find me three people out of a hundred that would say no. Having used several Android phones and now having an iPhone, new android phones start off very well, but the two I had experience with began to slow down and consistently got more and more buggy as time went on. I would not consider getting any android phone that didn't have ICS, and the reason it's so good is because of the integration of a lot of WebOS characteristics into it....but as far as I'm concerned, the proof will be in the longer-term use, since carriers refuse in most cases to even update android phones, rendering them obsolete within six months. ICS looks great, is fast and smooth, but I'm not convinced yet. At least with iOS you know you will all be getting updated at the same time. There is a sense of stability about that that transcends screen size.

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 12:44 PM
Doubt it unless he has an old device or not setup properly, I multitask like a mofo, easily have a bunch of tabs running in Dolphin HD on graphic intensive sites as I'm always doing something for business when out and about or browsing etc and no problems with ram with other stuff running in the background.

Gotta say, it's my first Android device, which I was totally against before. But I love it. No crashes, no issues, no lag, just fast and smooth... more crashes and glitches on the iPhones even new 4S (which is our 2nd one after returning the first). I've had 1 force close since Nov when I got it, and that was on facebook.

He's using the Samsung Captivate. I'm glad you aren't having any issues, but my friend is, and if the OP is claiming his phone is slower than the 2010 iPhone 4, it's possible he's having similar issues.

cynics
Apr 16, 2012, 01:12 PM
What kind of catching up are you referring to?
Except for a larger screen and lte I cannot think of anything else.
I could care less about widgets on the home screen.

I prefer android web browsing capabilities. Since it can handle flash and you can click on links to videos and not get a pop up saying safari cant do that. Downloading files straight from the web. etc etc.

USB hosting is a big thing for me especially on a tablet. If I plug a mouse into my tablet I expect a mouse to pop up on the screen. That's the main reason I gave my iPad 2 to my gf and still use an android tablet. Since I sit on the couch and mirror the tablet to my HDTV is nice to just have a wireless keyboard and mouse and the tablet on a dock.

I think all apple has to do is just tweak a couple minor things and iOS would be 100x better (for me). I have had my fair share of quirks with android that still keeps iOS high on my list.

taeclee99
Apr 16, 2012, 02:08 PM
I prefer android web browsing capabilities. Since it can handle flash and you can click on links to videos and not get a pop up saying safari cant do that. Downloading files straight from the web. etc etc.

USB hosting is a big thing for me especially on a tablet. If I plug a mouse into my tablet I expect a mouse to pop up on the screen. That's the main reason I gave my iPad 2 to my gf and still use an android tablet. Since I sit on the couch and mirror the tablet to my HDTV is nice to just have a wireless keyboard and mouse and the tablet on a dock.

I think all apple has to do is just tweak a couple minor things and iOS would be 100x better (for me). I have had my fair share of quirks with android that still keeps iOS high on my list.

I too was initially hoping that flash support would one day come to ios but seeing it run on android devices I think apple made the right choice.
The mobile version of flash (Android) makes the browser lag and drains the battery heavily. At least flash can be disabled in that case.

I agree that having more input options on the ipad would be nice. I personally am hoping for gamepad support to use with imame.

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
I too was initially hoping that flash support would one day come to ios but seeing it run on android devices I think apple made the right choice.
The mobile version of flash (Android) makes the browser lag and drains the battery heavily. At least flash can be disabled in that case.

I agree that having more input options on the ipad would be nice. I personally am hoping for gamepad support to use with imame.

I agree. Whenever I compare my iPhone to a co-workers new Android device, I simply go to a news site, click on a video, and it plays almost immediately at 30 frames per second (or whatever the video is set to). The site is clearly detecting the iPhone and serving up HTML5 video.

On the Android device, it loads the flash player version. After literally a minute of loading, half the time the video plays and half the time it just sits there. When it does actually play, it's at about 1-2 frames per second.

It's clear why Adobe dropped their mobile flash player.

Applejuiced
Apr 16, 2012, 02:39 PM
I'll whole heartedly disagree with any one that says "one phone is better than the rest". Because that statement is blatantly false.
Let me explain.
One phone that is perfect for me, meets all my needs, etc. will not be perfect for the next person.
Thus this phone is perfect, and then its not.

So to anyone saying that Android is better than iOS, or that iOS is better than Android, is merely showing that ignorance is limited to their own view point.
Just because you view something as better, or worse, does not mean the same to another person.

If your iPhone is great to you, then great! But if someone says "My SGSII is so far ahead of the iphone........" they too are right. But to me, they're wrong.

Its a simple logic: To each his own.

Well said.
We dont all have the same needs, wants, opinions or likes and dislikes.
Not one phone is perfect for every single person out there.
Good to have choices.

naths
Apr 16, 2012, 03:47 PM
Screen size is exactly what I'm on about!
The speed of the 4S is also pretty good on a par with the SGS2, but thats about to be eclipsed by the SGS3, already well beaten by the HTC One X, i could go on and on and on, at the end of the day i was finding the 4S screen to small for me, and with the HTC One X i'v found the perfect phone for what i need, i wear glasses for reading and was always putting them on and off with the 4S, not anymore, so thats perfect for me, and everyone has their own reason for buying whichever phone they like the best, i'v tried the 4S, yep great phone and no doubt will be for a while, i just prefer the android OS now.
I don't mean any offence by calling some of the people on here sheep, but there are people on here who would buy a old nokia 3100 and if it had an apple logo on it would say its the best phone ever!!!....
Everything apple makes is not the best, far from it, i mean Nokia's 808 pureview phone with its 41mp sensor is by far the best smartphone camera, yet I'm sure there will be people on here saying "not as good as the 4S"....

Rodimus Prime
Apr 16, 2012, 03:58 PM
I agree. Whenever I compare my iPhone to a co-workers new Android device, I simply go to a news site, click on a video, and it plays almost immediately at 30 frames per second (or whatever the video is set to). The site is clearly detecting the iPhone and serving up HTML5 video.

On the Android device, it loads the flash player version. After literally a minute of loading, half the time the video plays and half the time it just sits there. When it does actually play, it's at about 1-2 frames per second.

It's clear why Adobe dropped their mobile flash player.

that tell me someone is making the site very very wrong. If it detects a mobile browser it should try to run the HTML5 video first and then worry about the flash version of it. It would be a simple fix to change the run order. It is just piss poor design and coding.

Invincibilizer
Apr 16, 2012, 04:07 PM
Hi All I would like to share something with you guys. I was an iPhone4 user that enjoys all the apps and games alot But I needed an open system so I went to android SGS2 I had fun for a few months then Started Regretting. Android Market is full of Nonsense. Gameloft and Glu games Crashing I had all the fun in open system but apps totally sucks. I cant even find an app I like in SGS2.
There are pros and cons in iPhone4 for example you cant download anything from web browser without using an app Cant customize or download songs straight. But The AppStore OutWeigh all the cons. As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life. I just got myself an iPad2 but I still love iphone. I hope apple will maybe increase the size of the screen to 4.3 inch It will be the best phone. So all of you iPhone users out there who complains about iphone and that Android is better. Think again Dont make the foolish mistake as me Switching over and Regretting later. Pls leave comments on what you think
Thanks all

I'm going the opposite direction, going to Android for the first time. Not going for galaxy S2 though but going for the HTC One Series because its custom overlay and ICS will finally bring me something different from the iOS interface.

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 04:08 PM
Screen size is exactly what I'm on about!
The speed of the 4S is also pretty good on a par with the SGS2, but thats about to be eclipsed by the SGS3, already well beaten by the HTC One X, i could go on and on and on, at the end of the day i was finding the 4S screen to small for me, and with the HTC One X i'v found the perfect phone for what i need, i wear glasses for reading and was always putting them on and off with the 4S, not anymore, so thats perfect for me, and everyone has their own reason for buying whichever phone they like the best, i'v tried the 4S, yep great phone and no doubt will be for a while, i just prefer the android OS now.
I don't mean any offence by calling some of the people on here sheep, but there are people on here who would buy a old nokia 3100 and if it had an apple logo on it would say its the best phone ever!!!....
Everything apple makes is not the best, far from it, i mean Nokia's 808 pureview phone with its 41mp sensor is by far the best smartphone camera, yet I'm sure there will be people on here saying "not as good as the 4S"....

Sorry, there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU or GPU benchmarks. It is indisputably the fastest phone on the market.

What makes you think otherwise?

Invincibilizer
Apr 16, 2012, 04:21 PM
Sorry, there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU or GPU benchmarks. It is indisputably the fastest phone on the market.

What makes you think otherwise?

HTC One X and HTC One S with Snapdragon S4 "Krait" processor matches up with Nvidia tegra 3 quad core processor with only 2 cores. HTC One Series will put A5 chip in the iPhone to shame if they are matched up together...

0m3ga
Apr 16, 2012, 04:24 PM
I switched to the skyrocket and couldn't be happier. Love the iphone. But wanted a change and any minor negatives for me have been outweighed by the positives. To each their own. Your mistake (nor anyone else's) is "foolish." There's nothing wrong with trying out different technologies and deciding for yourself (not for someone else) what is best.

I have the same phone. Love it.

BTW, you know you can get a 2250mA battery for the phone from Amazon for $11! Same size as the stock one, so the back plate doesn't need to be changed. Gives you an additional 20% usage. The stock battery is only 1850mA, by comparison. Puts the Skyrocket in the same league as the 4s, in terms of usage time between charges. I get a tax over 12 hours with live wallpaper, brightness set on auto, normal web and emails through out the day, playing a few games, active widgets, vibration on and NoLED notifications active in standby mode.
Put normal wallpaper on, turn off vibration, set brightness to 20-30% and turn of notifications in standby mode and you are likely to get over 16 hours of normal usage. I don't bother, since I now have a Spare battery that will give me another 6-8 hours of use.

SurferMan
Apr 16, 2012, 04:25 PM
that tell me someone is making the site very very wrong. If it detects a mobile browser it should try to run the HTML5 video first and then worry about the flash version of it. It would be a simple fix to change the run order. It is just piss poor design and coding.I just went on some news sites and they worked fine on my GSII, vids loaded pretty much instantly when clicked. If a site gives any issues on either OS it's b/c of poor html5 coding.... I've yet to have an problem streaming or playing vids from sites.

mrbutters
Apr 16, 2012, 04:29 PM
Sorry, there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU or GPU benchmarks. It is indisputably the fastest phone on the market.

What makes you think otherwise?

The Galaxy Nexus actually beat the 4s awhile back

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Galaxy-Nexus-Benchmarks-iPhone-4S-Speed-Fastest-Phone,news-13257.html

Id imagine the HTC One X will be faster as well. Hardly matters though since the 4s only runs over 3G networks. All of the benchmarks don't mean much when you compare 3G to LTE.

0dev
Apr 16, 2012, 04:30 PM
i mean Nokia's 808 pureview phone with its 41mp sensor is by far the best smartphone camera, yet I'm sure there will be people on here saying "not as good as the 4S"....

While Nokia's Lumia series (running Windows Phone 7.5) are very good phones, near enough no one tech savvy will touch anything running Symbian no matter how good the camera happens to be. If they put a 41 megapixel camera on a WP7 phone, that would have been a better move. Symbian is the worst mobile operating system around, it's just a good thing it won't be around any longer.

naths
Apr 16, 2012, 04:36 PM
While Nokia's Lumia series (running Windows Phone 7.5) are very good phones, near enough no one tech savvy will touch anything running Symbian no matter how good the camera happens to be. If they put a 41 megapixel camera on a WP7 phone, that would have been a better move. Symbian is the worst mobile operating system around, it's just a good thing it won't be around any longer.

lol....very true....:)

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 04:36 PM
The Galaxy Nexus actually beat the 4s awhile back

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Galaxy-Nexus-Benchmarks-iPhone-4S-Speed-Fastest-Phone,news-13257.html

Id imagine the HTC One X will be faster as well. Hardly matters though since the 4s only runs over 3G networks. All of the benchmarks don't mean much when you compare 3G to LTE.

That's why I specified "CPU and GPU benchmarks".

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/selection042.png

It beat the iPhone in one particular browser test, while losing in another. This is a browser benchmark, not a CPU or GPU benchmark. It made headlines because it was the first time any Android phone beat the latest iPhone in any benchmark, but my point stands.

naths
Apr 16, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sorry, there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU or GPU benchmarks. It is indisputably the fastest phone on the market.

What makes you think otherwise?

okay.....a dual core faster than a quad+1 core....yeah yeah....

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That's why I specified "CPU and GPU benchmarks".

Image (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/selection042.png)

It beat the iPhone in one particular browser test, while losing in another. This is a browser benchmark, not a CPU or GPU benchmark. It made headlines because it was the first time any Android phone beat the latest iPhone in any benchmark, but my point stands.


thats only the nexus????....any comparisons against the SGS2?...or the One X?

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 04:45 PM
HTC One X and HTC One S with Snapdragon S4 "Krait" processor matches up with Nvidia tegra 3 quad core processor with only 2 cores. HTC One Series will put A5 chip in the iPhone to shame if they are matched up together...

I'm sorry Invincibilizer, but I do not see how what you just said leads to you thinking the iPhone 4S is slower. Are you aware that the iPhone 4S, a device that was released over 6 months ago, beats both the HTC One X and the HTC One S when benchmarked?

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okay.....a dual core faster than a quad+1 core....yeah yeah....

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thats only the nexus????....any comparisons against the SGS2?...or the One X?

Serious question here, are you in the PC gaming scene at all? It is not uncommon for a dual core to be preferable to a quad core. Especially if the dual core is many generations newer (not saying the A5 is a generation newer), and considering that most programs are not optimized for quad cores.

I'll post the other benchmarks when I have a minute, but everything I can find shows the iPhone 4S still wins. I'd actually love to see something to the contrary, as I really expected some of these new devices to beat a 6+ month old device.

lamboman
Apr 16, 2012, 04:45 PM
The Galaxy Nexus actually beat the 4s awhile back

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Galaxy-Nexus-Benchmarks-iPhone-4S-Speed-Fastest-Phone,news-13257.html

Id imagine the HTC One X will be faster as well. Hardly matters though since the 4s only runs over 3G networks. All of the benchmarks don't mean much when you compare 3G to LTE.

A browsing benchmark does not mean that the processor in the Galaxy Nexus is faster. Not saying that it is or isn't, as I don't know, but a browsing benchmark doesn't tell us anything apart from the fact that the ICS web browser optimisations for the Nexus hardware results in a slightly faster experience than the 4S. Those benchmarks don't apply to any other phones at all. Furthermore, any benchmarks run on any HTC phone don't give a measure of the hardware's true performance at all, as Sense is so heavy.

Besides, going by those benchmarks, if you care about numbers, the 4S is still the way to go on averages. However, strong real-world performance and responsiveness is as a result of proper optimisation for good hardware; iOS has always been at a strong point in this regard, and always will be ahead of Android technically just because its a closed ecosystem.

Not being pro-iOS or pro-Android; I'm just saying it how it is.

I'm not going to go into iOS vs Android as that is an argument that I'd rather not get into, and one this forum has way too much of. But iOS has its flaws, as does Android. They all do.

freediverdude
Apr 16, 2012, 05:00 PM
Wow, where to start. I've had both an iPhone 4 and a skyrocket. Currently using the skyrocket until the new phones come out this summer, when I will make another decision.

Both the Apple phones and the android phones have lots of pluses and minuses. It really is hard to choose in a way. The big strength with the iPhone is the ecosystem, and how well everything syncs. I do miss having the video content that I purchased in the iTunes store on my phone while using the skyrocket. I know that it is possible to strip the DRM off and drag and drop to get it over there, but that is a pain. Although if you're willing to just leave iTunes, Google Play does work well.

The hardware is among the things that android phone manufacturers are able to do well, because of the freedom. I love the bigger screen. Something I didn't think I would care about, but really love now, is being able to have a battery charger and just switch out to a new battery whenever I need to.

Just my experience, but I haven't had a problem with flash videos on the skyrocket- everything seems to play fine. The iPhone experience though was frustrating when something wasn't encoded in html5, so basically you couldn't view it unless you switched to a special browser.

The iOS updating is great, a plus for iPhone, knowing you will always have the latest version. The waiting for ICS on the skyrocket really sucked, until I found out that Samsung's touchwiz version really wasn't going to be much different than gingerbread, so it became kind of a "whatever".

The LTE actually is much faster than 3G, so that's a nice plus for some android phones right now, including the skyrocket, although I'm sure that will be a certainty for the next iPhone. It was nice being one of the first people in my area to have LTE though, when they turned on the towers I had it.

I could go on and on with some of these things, get into the software and so forth, but as you can see, it's a really mixed bag when trying to choose between android and iOS. I would almost just recommend that people try one of each for a while, and get an idea of what they prefer.

Sunsean
Apr 16, 2012, 06:35 PM
I'm a 3 year Android user who just switched to my first iphone a couple weeks ago. I have been on a mac at home for a long long time, decided to finally have the eco-system between comp/phone. Anyway, I am very happy so far. There are, as others have said, pros and cons to each platform. There are definitely things I miss about Android, but overall I think I was just bored after a few years and wanted something new. Sounds like the reverse of what happened to some of you - got bored with ios and decided to check out Android lol.

And my last phone was the sg2 on Tmobile's "4g" network. That's been one of the hardest parts of the transition, going from hspa+ to 3g. Noticeably slower, but still usable. Definitely takes a few extra seconds for data to go through. But overall I am thrilled to finally be on an iphone. I would have gotten one sooner but I'd been with tmobile for years. Finally, after years of them not getting the iphone, I decided to jump ship. To each their own.

Invincibilizer
Apr 16, 2012, 08:08 PM
I'm sorry Invincibilizer, but I do not see how what you just said leads to you thinking the iPhone 4S is slower. Are you aware that the iPhone 4S, a device that was released over 6 months ago, beats both the HTC One X and the HTC One S when benchmarked?

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Serious question here, are you in the PC gaming scene at all? It is not uncommon for a dual core to be preferable to a quad core. Especially if the dual core is many generations newer (not saying the A5 is a generation newer), and considering that most programs are not optimized for quad cores.

I'll post the other benchmarks when I have a minute, but everything I can find shows the iPhone 4S still wins. I'd actually love to see something to the contrary, as I really expected some of these new devices to beat a 6+ month old device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksRXOws0dg&feature=player_embedded#!

HTC One X clearly wins with a quad core processor.

Multiple tests shows that Snapdragon S4 dual core is comparable to Tegra 3 quad core


Using standard logic of the law of syllogism

1-iPhone4S < HTC One X
2-HTC One X < HTC One S

Therefore one can conclude that HTC One S > HTC One X > iPhone4S

Both HTC devices contain 2012 chipsets while iPhone4S has a 2011 chipset, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know why HTC One Series consistently beat iPhone4S in performance.

DodgeV83
Apr 16, 2012, 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksRXOws0dg&feature=player_embedded#!

HTC One X clearly wins with a quad core processor.

Multiple tests shows that Snapdragon S4 dual core is comparable to Tegra 3 quad core


Using standard logic of the law of syllogism

1-iPhone4S < HTC One X
2-HTC One X < HTC One S

Therefore one can conclude that HTC One S > HTC One X > iPhone4S

Both HTC devices contain 2012 chipsets while iPhone4S has a 2011 chipset, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know why HTC One Series consistently beat iPhone4S in performance.

Let's look at the video:

Video Title: Browser-based benchmarks

Test 1: BrowserMark

HTC - 110680
iPhone - 87105

Test 2: Sunspider

HTC - 2178.8 ms
iPhone - 2258.0 ms

Test 3: Speed Reading - "Take full advantage of your device with GPU powered graphics and a new JavaScript engine"

HTC - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws - 16 ms
iPhone - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws- 9 ms

Are you aware that this video actually supports my statement?

BrowserMark and Sunspider are browser benchmarks. The most telling part of the video is the HTML5 performance benchmark at the end, where the full capabilities of the device are being used, and the iPhone is almost twice as fast.

DroidRules
Apr 16, 2012, 09:58 PM
I switched to android as soon as Apple released the 4S, the sheep went a following a year old design.....to small for todays use..currently using a HTC One X, and my word apple you have some catching up to do!!!

Your argument is tired and not applicable to the majority of iPhone users. The millions of sold units speaks of itself. PLUS I'm a sheep simply because I like the iPhone? Get over yourself.

Invincibilizer
Apr 17, 2012, 12:25 AM
Let's look at the video:

Video Title: Browser-based benchmarks

Test 1: BrowserMark

HTC - 110680
iPhone - 87105

Test 2: Sunspider

HTC - 2178.8 ms
iPhone - 2258.0 ms

Test 3: Speed Reading - "Take full advantage of your device with GPU powered graphics and a new JavaScript engine"

HTC - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws - 16 ms
iPhone - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws- 9 ms

Are you aware that this video actually supports my statement?

BrowserMark and Sunspider are browser benchmarks. The most telling part of the video is the HTML5 performance benchmark at the end, where the full capabilities of the device are being used, and the iPhone is almost twice as fast.

I'm not in to benchmarks, but that video clearly showed that HTC One X out performed the iPhone4S.

Spin it anyway you want but Snapdragon S4 1.5ghz is the latest state of the art chip from Qualcomm, still refuting the fact that a 2012 chip is better than a 2011 chip is absurd.

Catdogchicken
Apr 17, 2012, 12:46 AM
Chips, CPU's, Ram etc etc is only part of the equation. I recently wanted to try a different phone from ios and recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Note. 9 days later its up for sale on eBay and back with the 4S.

Now the phone was awesome, beautiful and big screen. The battery did just trump my 4S for usage, the hardware is brilliant.

But the reason I'm selling it is just that the whole experience is just meh. It's the little things like a nano second longer when you touch the screen before it scrolls! The delay from sleep mode to awake when the button is pressed, also from when your on a call to removing it from your ear and the proximity sensors kicks in. The slight jerk in scrolling (official twitter app the worst example) and also in the browser and no inertia scrolling 1 flick and you can be at the bottom of a 32 page document!

It's just the rough edges of android that leave me disappointed. Throw all the cores etc you want at it and it still isn't on a par with the 3GS for smoothness. I di try ics stunner v5 beta rom, and while improved it still lacks the polish of ios.

Google play market is also a mess, I did buy ADW Launcher EX for 2, went to pay for it and pops up an extra 36p VAT on top and then also got charged 2.50 for an international transaction from my bank. So nearly 5 for an app advertised at 2 :(

I admit google navigation is fantastic and hope apple can churn out something like this for ios6, would be far handier than siri.

But like other posters have said its each to their own and I prefer the smoothness, and the variety of developers apps in the iOS store oh and boy did I miss intelliscreenX!

DodgeV83
Apr 17, 2012, 12:59 AM
I'm not in to benchmarks, but that video clearly showed that HTC One X out performed the iPhone4S.

Spin it anyway you want but Snapdragon S4 1.5ghz is the latest state of the art chip from Qualcomm, still refuting the fact that a 2012 chip is better than a 2011 chip is absurd.

There is no spin involved. I started by saying there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU/GPU benchmarks. I then followed up with a screenshot showing that the iPhone lost in some browser benchmarks, while winning in the non-browser related tests, while reiterating my original statement regarding CPU/GPU benchmarks.

Your video literally mirrors my screenshot. It shows the result of BrowserMark and SunSpider browser tests, where iPhone lost, then finishes with a more advanced benchmark that "Takes full advantage of your device with GPU powered graphics", where the iPhone was almost twice as fast.

Since you aren't into benchmarks, I'll explain a bit. BrowserMark and SunSpider are primarily browser benchmarks. They are comparing Safari vs the Android Stock browser. This is not how you benchmark the actual hardware (CPU/GPU). Could you imagine NVidia or Intel showing off their latest hardware, not with a full 3D demo of Toy Story level graphics running at 60 fps, but with a browser JavaScript benchmark? If you know anything about the industry, you'd know that to be absurd :p

The other benchmarks shown, including the html5 benchmark in your video, are the true indications of what the hardware is capable of.

I'm sorry you feel that way Invincibilizer, but your feelings of absurdity do not negate the facts that even your own link is showing you. This is not a debate, or an argument, it's simple math.

gunhunter
Apr 17, 2012, 01:28 AM
I switched to android as soon as Apple released the 4S, the sheep went a following a year old design.....to small for todays use..currently using a HTC One X, and my word apple you have some catching up to do!!!

I'm buy the HTC One X tomorrow!
Currently using iP4, its a very good phone, just that there are newer and better phones around...

ChazUK
Apr 17, 2012, 01:59 AM
To people arguing about benchmarks:

There isn't a single Android application or game that my Tegra 3 based Transformer Prime can't run adequately.

There isn't a single iOS application or game that my A5 based iPad 2 can't run adequately.

In this age of decent dual/quad core CPU's and GPU's, I doubt that getting an insane score on any synthetic benchmark matters. From what I've personally experienced, all of the modern hardware I've owned (Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, iPad 2, Transformer Prime) have all run their respective OS's and applications more than adequately.

The only real weak hardware I've used recently was my Tegra 2 based Xoom.

throAU
Apr 17, 2012, 02:38 AM
Just curious which iPhone is faster than the Galaxy SII? Even at 3G speeds the SII is usually faster and at 4G, its not even a contest. If you wanted great battery life, you should have looked at the Droid Razr Maxx. I will still be around 50% battery after my 4s is dead and thats with it running on a very fast LTE network. In the end, you need to choose whats right for you though.

Not going to discuss network speed as i haven't done tests, but in terms of UI response, an iphone of equal cpu spec should cane an android because it is all native code (without garbage collection running in the background as the developer is responsible for manual memory management) and not java... ditto for RAM consumption. Native code is leaner and faster, all other things being equal.

However, many android phones have faster CPUs, more RAM, etc.

You will likely pay the price in battery life (again, this can be negated somewhat with a bigger battery, but...)


The key thing however is this: spec sheet comparisons don't tell the whole story. the software is different, and in general the iphone trades off programmer/development IDE work for code efficiency (i.e., the developer/Xcode generates more efficient native code with either ARC or manual memory management).

Android just throws faster hardware with more memory at the problem. Given equal hardware spec (CPU, ram, battery capacity), iOS is faster and will draw less power.

mrbutters
Apr 17, 2012, 02:55 AM
That's why I specified "CPU and GPU benchmarks".

Image (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/selection042.png)

It beat the iPhone in one particular browser test, while losing in another. This is a browser benchmark, not a CPU or GPU benchmark. It made headlines because it was the first time any Android phone beat the latest iPhone in any benchmark, but my point stands.

Thanks for that and my point still stands as well. The 4s could have the fastest CPU and GPU ever created but its useless running on a 3G network. My Razr Maxx can open a webpage with a bunch of graphics and text before my iPhone can even finish its Google search for the same website. So its pretty much a moot point. Lets hope Apple is smart enough to make the next iPhone LTE compatible.

Abazigal
Apr 17, 2012, 05:20 AM
I am a tad divided on a larger screen. IMO, my iphone 4s is the perfect size for me to use in one hand while walking, especially if my other hand is holding a bag of (something), while still maintaining a solid grip. I clearly can't do that with a note, and suspect that I would fumble with a nexus.

I am very straightforward and lazy guy, so I probably can't be bothered to fiddle around with widgets, customise this or that, or heck, even set a wallpaper. In that aspect, the locked down nature of the iphone doesn't really bother me, in the sense that a limitation isn't really a limitation if you don't overstep the boundaries. :D

I suspect there are scores more like me, which is why the iphone is selling so well.

chrono1081
Apr 17, 2012, 05:40 AM
I switched to android as soon as Apple released the 4S, the sheep went a following a year old design.....to small for todays use..currently using a HTC One X, and my word apple you have some catching up to do!!!

And you don't see yourself as a sheep for chasing after silly hardware specs :roll eyes:

Just because someone likes something, or sticks with something because they like the design and it works doesn't make them a "sheep".

Rogifan
Apr 17, 2012, 06:52 AM
And you don't see yourself as a sheep for chasing after silly hardware specs :roll eyes:

Just because someone likes something, or sticks with something because they like the design and it works doesn't make them a "sheep".

This whole "sheep" put down is getting so tired. Especially when you sell 37M phones in a quarter. Is everyone who bight an iPhone last quarter "sheep" because they didn't go with a phone that had a larger screen and better specs on paper?

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I am a tad divided on a larger screen. IMO, my iphone 4s is the perfect size for me to use in one hand while walking, especially if my other hand is holding a bag of (something), while still maintaining a solid grip. I clearly can't do that with a note, and suspect that I would fumble with a nexus.

I am very straightforward and lazy guy, so I probably can't be bothered to fiddle around with widgets, customise this or that, or heck, even set a wallpaper. In that aspect, the locked down nature of the iphone doesn't really bother me, in the sense that a limitation isn't really a limitation if you don't overstep the boundaries. :D

I suspect there are scores more like me, which is why the iphone is selling so well.
Prior to my iPhone 4S I owned an HTC Aria. It was my first smartphone and I wanted something compact. Also wanted Flash support. Absolutely hated the phone. Never got Flash support (phone was never updated past Android 2.2). Battery wouldn't last more than 3-4 hours a charge. When I took it to AT&T they told me widgets were draining the battery and I should disable them. Quite honestly I haven't missed them. I have one weather app which is as close to a widget as you'll find on iOS and that's all I need. There might be some things with Android that are better than iOS but I'm happy with my phone so I see no reason to try anything else.

sk1wbw
Apr 17, 2012, 07:56 AM
To people arguing about benchmarks:

There isn't a single Android application or game that my Tegra 3 based Transformer Prime can't run adequately.

There isn't a single iOS application or game that my A5 based iPad 2 can't run adequately.

In this age of decent dual/quad core CPU's and GPU's, I doubt that getting an insane score on any synthetic benchmark matters. From what I've personally experienced, all of the modern hardware I've owned (Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, iPad 2, Transformer Prime) have all run their respective OS's and applications more than adequately.

The only real weak hardware I've used recently was my Tegra 2 based Xoom.

Exactly. Nobody can tell the difference between a dual core and quad core this vs that, unless you bring up a chart with the specs on it. During the average joe's daily use, nobody knows the difference.

cynics
Apr 17, 2012, 09:02 AM
Benchmarks are only really useful comparing the same OS. Linpack times took a major hit after the last app update. Doesn't mean the phones got slower.

The only time I relied on a benchmark was when I was overclocking my android tablet to compare before and after.

Games play just as smooth on my tablet as they do my iPhone 4S. Only real world difference I noticed with overclocking was the smoothness of the browser on busy flash based web pages. And processor hungry emulators like playstation one games like gran turismo play smoother with my tablet overclocked.

While iOS is smoother in overall function it's mainly because iOS prioritizes user input. Example scrolling on a web page while it's loading on ios will pause it from loading, android will continue to load as you scroll with an obvious adverse effect on the ui at least on pre s2 devices (never tested the s2 or better). Compromises, form over function or vice versa.

I think android could benefit from more software optimization instead of state of the art processors and massive amounts of ram.

314631
Apr 17, 2012, 09:07 AM
Hi All I would like to share something with you guys. I was an iPhone4 user that enjoys all the apps and games alot But I needed an open system so I went to android SGS2 I had fun for a few months then Started Regretting. Android Market is full of Nonsense. Gameloft and Glu games Crashing I had all the fun in open system but apps totally sucks. I cant even find an app I like in SGS2.
There are pros and cons in iPhone4 for example you cant download anything from web browser without using an app Cant customize or download songs straight. But The AppStore OutWeigh all the cons. As for Android im utterly disappointed that Dual core lose to iPhone in speed and Battery life. I just got myself an iPad2 but I still love iphone. I hope apple will maybe increase the size of the screen to 4.3 inch It will be the best phone. So all of you iPhone users out there who complains about iphone and that Android is better. Think again Dont make the foolish mistake as me Switching over and Regretting later. Pls leave comments on what you think
Thanks all

Great review. Fair, balanced and completely right. Thanks for sharing. Yours is the kind of post that should be sticked to the top of every iOS forum warning people of the perils of Android. Apple's consumer focus will always trump Google's clOpen strategy when it comes to delivering a first class experience.

mrbutters
Apr 17, 2012, 10:18 AM
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Prior to my iPhone 4S I owned an HTC Aria. It was my first smartphone and I wanted something compact. Also wanted Flash support. Absolutely hated the phone. Never got Flash support (phone was never updated past Android 2.2). Battery wouldn't last more than 3-4 hours a charge. When I took it to AT&T they told me widgets were draining the battery and I should disable them. Quite honestly I haven't missed them. I have one weather app which is as close to a widget as you'll find on iOS and that's all I need. There might be some things with Android that are better than iOS but I'm happy with my phone so I see no reason to try anything else.

understandable but the Aria was a bad phone to begin with. You would have been better off doindpg some research before buying it. I'm sure your view on Android would be much different had you bought a quality phone. Bottom line is you have a phone that works for you know, that's all that matters

PlatinuM195
Apr 17, 2012, 04:48 PM
Switched from the 4S to the GS2 and could only stand using it for about a month before I switched back. There were just so many small annoyances even after trying almost every major custom ROM and app to tweak it to my liking:


Screen size. At first this was a plus for watching video, but then I realized how difficult it was to use the phone single handedly. Reaching to each corner of the screen with just my thumb was impossible.
There wasn't an easy way to get notification badges. For every ROM I'd need to find some app or custom launcher which supported it, and since badge notifications are more of an inherent OS supported feature, not all apps would work with it.
Customising how each app notified me. I couldn't seem to modify (at an OS level) how every app would notify me; whether it was a popup or not, whether it showed in the lock screen etc. Every app had it's own per-app notification settings.
The gmail client, while very nicely integrated with gmail features, didn't render emails the way I'd like it to. Emails would always be shown zoomed out and some rendered incorrectly.
Lack of a good app for stocks. Most apps I seemed to find resembled a pre-2000 era geocities website.

taedouni
Apr 17, 2012, 05:12 PM
It took me less than two weeks of using a Galaxy Nexus and a Rezound to realize that I needed to switch back.

0m3ga
Apr 17, 2012, 05:15 PM
Switched from the 4S to the GS2 and could only stand using it for about a month before I switched back. There were just so many small annoyances even after trying almost every major custom ROM and app to tweak it to my liking:


Screen size. At first this was a plus for watching video, but then I realized how difficult it was to use the phone single handedly. Reaching to each corner of the screen with just my thumb was impossible.
There wasn't an easy way to get notification badges. For every ROM I'd need to find some app or custom launcher which supported it, and since badge notifications are more of an inherent OS supported feature, not all apps would work with it.
Customising how each app notified me. I couldn't seem to modify (at an OS level) how every app would notify me; whether it was a popup or not, whether it showed in the lock screen etc. Every app had it's own per-app notification settings.
The gmail client, while very nicely integrated with gmail features, didn't render emails the way I'd like it to. Emails would always be shown zoomed out and some rendered incorrectly.
Lack of a good app for stocks. Most apps I seemed to find resembled a pre-2000 era geocities website.

If you had it for a month, you didn't try very hard at all it seems. I have had my SGS2 Skyrocket for about 2 weeks now, and I have not rooted it or placed any custom roms on it, yet I have an app that notifies me, even in standby, if I have an sms, email, text, app update and so on, via audio and visual notification. The app is called NoLED. And this also takes care of notification badges too, since NoLED tells you exactly how many missed calls, texts, sms messages, voice mails, charging indicator, current weather and any app you specify that updates.

Gmail is a POS email client. If you had ask sd any Android user, they would have guided you to K-9, although iOS'es email and Sparrow are much, much better than any Android email app. K-9 would have been in 3rd place to those 2, if it was on iOS.

Can't help the fact you have small hands and a 4.5 inch screen is too big. A little planning and educating yourself by playing with in store phones could have told you the S2 would be too big for you.

Point is, you don't have much in the way of a valid point. If you had given your opinion about the Android OS not being to your liking, or there was lag in the processes that you couldn't stand or some other hardware glitch, I could understand. But what you posted... That was more akin to someone complaining, just to complain, imo. Not hating on you, it's just how I perceived your post.

Personally, I enjoy using Android, but I also enjoy WebOS and iOS. Got no real complaints about any of them. It really seems like people hate on iOS or Android because they didn't educate themselves fully on the capabilities, or they are just hating to hate (you see this a lot on the Android forums, unfortunately.)

LSUtigers03
Apr 17, 2012, 05:40 PM
It took me less than two weeks of using a Galaxy Nexus and a Rezound to realize that I needed to switch back.

I went the opposite way. I had a 4s and now I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'm very happy with it. The Nexus and iPad 2 I feel is a great combo.

PlatinuM195
Apr 18, 2012, 02:39 AM
If you had it for a month, you didn't try very hard at all it seems. I have had my SGS2 Skyrocket for about 2 weeks now, and I have not rooted it or placed any custom roms on it, yet I have an app that notifies me, even in standby, if I have an sms, email, text, app update and so on, via audio and visual notification. The app is called NoLED. And this also takes care of notification badges too, since NoLED tells you exactly how many missed calls, texts, sms messages, voice mails, charging indicator, current weather and any app you specify that updates.

Gmail is a POS email client. If you had ask sd any Android user, they would have guided you to K-9, although iOS'es email and Sparrow are much, much better than any Android email app. K-9 would have been in 3rd place to those 2, if it was on iOS.

Can't help the fact you have small hands and a 4.5 inch screen is too big. A little planning and educating yourself by playing with in store phones could have told you the S2 would be too big for you.

Point is, you don't have much in the way of a valid point. If you had given your opinion about the Android OS not being to your liking, or there was lag in the processes that you couldn't stand or some other hardware glitch, I could understand. But what you posted... That was more akin to someone complaining, just to complain, imo. Not hating on you, it's just how I perceived your post.

Personally, I enjoy using Android, but I also enjoy WebOS and iOS. Got no real complaints about any of them. It really seems like people hate on iOS or Android because they didn't educate themselves fully on the capabilities, or they are just hating to hate (you see this a lot on the Android forums, unfortunately.)

It's not that the features that I mentioned were unavailable (notification badges etc.), I definitely found many ways to get notification badges. I should have mentioned that it's more about the consistency. For example, the notification badges, it felt that every app implemented badges in a non-unified way. It felt as if notifications, badges, the way I'd want to be notified, lock screen etc. were quite different everytime and didn't always work for every app.

f1restarter
Apr 18, 2012, 05:41 AM
It took me less than two weeks of using a Galaxy Nexus and a Rezound to realize that I needed to switch back.

I finally decided to switch to the iPhone 4s after testing the HTC One X for a few days in the store and comparing it to the iPhone sitting just next to it. I was totally set on getting the One X since it was the first quad core based android phone and most importantly I loved the huge screen it offered.

But when I actually tested the google maps and web browsing, I was again reminded of the typical android lag/choppiness. Even my friend who is a devoted Android user commented "why the hell is it still laggy even though it's a quad core phone and why is the iPhone 4s still so smooth?".

Anyway I check the running programs on the One X and of course there were crazy amount of apps running in the background. I switched them off but after a while again most of the apps would re-appear in the running apps section. I compared how quickly in google maps I can be located and the iPhone almost immediately tracked me while it took longer on the One X. Finally there was really no way for me to justify the slight lag on the One X even though the phone was slightly cheaper than the iPhone.

Compared to the iOS android just seems like a cheap knock-off and in many ways it actually is. Maybe if I were a teenager I would've definitely chosen the One X over the iPhone since it offers more "bling" features like the HTC Sense which personally I find tacky and annoying. Anyway after using the iPhone for a few days I am absolutely glad I switched from Android and how simple and easy everything feels and it just works.

jmgregory1
Apr 18, 2012, 07:03 AM
I love the fact that most Android powered phones are on a constant upgrade schedule. Who doesn't like to see a new phone coming to market every week? It reminds me of the good old days when new pc desktops were released every week, with each new iteration offering such incredible performance upgrades like a fractional increase in ram or storage. That's the way things should be.

I mean, really, who cares about the operating system? Lag schmag. As long as the processor is faster and it has more ram, I don't care if there is lag. I just want the newest, fastest, biggest, thinnest, thickest, bestest Android phone out.

I just noticed that while typing this, another new android phone was just released by HTC. Time to dump my last week's new Samsung and pick me up one of these great new HTC One XXX Sensation Inspiration Evo!

onthecouchagain
Apr 18, 2012, 07:39 AM
The Nexus and iPad 2 I feel is a great combo.

Couldn't agree with this more.

iOS is so much better on the iPad than it is on the iPhone. Personally, after owning an iPad for the first time, I've come to realize just how terrible iOS is on the iPhone. The iOS keyboard, Safari, Mail, and more -- all so much better on the iPad.

Lindenhurst
Apr 18, 2012, 07:48 AM
I switched to Android, a few months after the 4s came out. I've had a great experience with the phone, all of my favoriate apps and more are on the system so I don't miss out. Gave my 4s the my wife and we are both happy.

I switched to Samsung Galaxy Note with ATT and couldn't be happier. My wife and son have IP4's and they love them.

Is my Android any better or worse than the iPhone? Sure it is ! Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Would I go back to iPhone? Sure I would, when the screen is a tad bigger .
We'll see this Fall. I'm hoping Apple surprises us all.

cynics
Apr 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
I love the fact that most Android powered phones are on a constant upgrade schedule. Who doesn't like to see a new phone coming to market every week? It reminds me of the good old days when new pc desktops were released every week, with each new iteration offering such incredible performance upgrades like a fractional increase in ram or storage. That's the way things should be.

I mean, really, who cares about the operating system? Lag schmag. As long as the processor is faster and it has more ram, I don't care if there is lag. I just want the newest, fastest, biggest, thinnest, thickest, bestest Android phone out.

I just noticed that while typing this, another new android phone was just released by HTC. Time to dump my last week's new Samsung and pick me up one of these great new HTC One XXX Sensation Inspiration Evo!

If your a one upper and always have to have the latest and greatest thing that comes out then that your problem. Don't get upset that someone gives you too many choices cause no one is holding a gun to your head making you buy stuff.

My girlfriends OG droid still runs apps and makes phone calls. Of course she is a rational person.

Besides the additions that HTC add are things that apple is not offering. So you are saying if you had an HTC phone without NFC and HTC released an NFC phone you'd HAVE to buy it? Even though your iPhone doesn't have it?

Sounds more like someone that has blinders on. Nothing wrong with being brand loyal but if the only reason is because they release phones at a slower rate then that's just irrational.

I'm using an iPhone 4S now and I'll keep it until something that works better for me comes along.

jmgregory1
Apr 18, 2012, 11:01 AM
My point was more that there is a distinct difference between Apple's model of creating not just a product that is the sum of a bunch of specs made to entice a certain consumer, but rather a full eco-system - hardware, os and software and control the whole thing to ensure the consumer experience is the best it can be.

Android is just the os - and the fact that they allow it to be altered by the hardware manufacturers, just like Microsoft does with it's os for the pc, means the overall experience can vary from maker to maker, handset to handset. It forces the handset makers to try to one up their competitors as quickly as they can. This doesn't create any brand loyalty and can negatively effect brand value.

It's not a sustainable model and one that will bite google in the butt - which is why they are acquiring Moto, so that they can start following the same business model as Apple. It's the only way that android will really start to get better.

cynics
Apr 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
My point was more that there is a distinct difference between Apple's model of creating not just a product that is the sum of a bunch of specs made to entice a certain consumer, but rather a full eco-system - hardware, os and software and control the whole thing to ensure the consumer experience is the best it can be.

Android is just the os - and the fact that they allow it to be altered by the hardware manufacturers, just like Microsoft does with it's os for the pc, means the overall experience can vary from maker to maker, handset to handset. It forces the handset makers to try to one up their competitors as quickly as they can. This doesn't create any brand loyalty and can negatively effect brand value.

It's not a sustainable model and one that will bite google in the butt - which is why they are acquiring Moto, so that they can start following the same business model as Apple. It's the only way that android will really start to get better.

In that case I agree with you for the most part.

However Google acquiring Motorola mobility is purely for their patents. Apple tried to stop it even though Google pledged to be non discriminatory and fair with Motorola's patents.

sentinelsx
Apr 18, 2012, 01:15 PM
If there was a way to develop native apps for iOS on my windows 7 machine it would be great! That was the only thing making me go for android. But android still disappoints in many areas i.e. app incompatibility and inconsistency, minor lags, battery life etc. Some of this can be rectified, some cannot, but its still not able to pull me off a puny 2010 era iPhone 4.

However WP7 is a very good alternative. The problem? Microsoft acting worse than Apple in choosing the hardware requirements. You don't use the UI whole day, you use the actual software and apps and with a first/second gen snapdragon things like high def video and more powerful apps are not going to happen. They need to step it up faster than Q4 or 2012.

DodgeV83
Apr 24, 2012, 01:55 AM
I finally decided to switch to the iPhone 4s after testing the HTC One X for a few days in the store and comparing it to the iPhone sitting just next to it. I was totally set on getting the One X since it was the first quad core based android phone and most importantly I loved the huge screen it offered.

But when I actually tested the google maps and web browsing, I was again reminded of the typical android lag/choppiness. Even my friend who is a devoted Android user commented "why the hell is it still laggy even though it's a quad core phone and why is the iPhone 4s still so smooth?".

While I'm still waiting to see an Android phone that doesn't lag, I'm starting to realize the iPhone line might always be ahead of the curve in terms of performance, due to its significantly increased price. Apparently, a Sprint rep was quoted as saying the iPhone costs them 40% more than the top of the line Android phones.

Even if the hardware and software on iOS weren't so tightly intertwined, I can see how the Android phone manufacturers are having trouble matching the iPhone on performance, when the iPhone is 40% more expensive (referring to how much it costs the carriers to buy the phones from Apple).

dontwalkhand
Apr 24, 2012, 02:10 AM
Did you keep your iPhone 4? If so, I would go back to it right away! ;).

I have always ended up right back here with iPhone after trying other phones. It is just that good! :apple:

SurferMan
Apr 24, 2012, 10:40 AM
While I'm still waiting to see an Android phone that doesn't lag, I'm starting to realize the iPhone line might always be ahead of the curve in terms of performance, due to its significantly increased price. Apparently, a Sprint rep was quoted as saying the iPhone costs them 40% more than the top of the line Android phones.

Even if the hardware and software on iOS weren't so tightly intertwined, I can see how the Android phone manufacturers are having trouble matching the iPhone on performance, when the iPhone is 40% more expensive (referring to how much it costs the carriers to buy the phones from Apple).I don't know what is wrong with the phones you guys are using, but mine has been as smooth and fast as iOS, should say "previous" iOS as I noticed way more issues with glitches and lag on iOS5 on our 3 iPhones. I remember you mentioning videos, well all I know is I go on news, financials, and other sites all day if not around a computer and clicking links opens vids immediately and smoothly.

amitabhbansal
Apr 24, 2012, 01:18 PM
friends
i would like to share my views, i was not aware of apple devices till january 2011, i was a hardcore user of windows and nokia phones, in january 2011 someone suggest me to get an Apple Macbook Pro as i was fedup by windows, Mac was totally new to me, once i started using it, i came to know how simple and user friendly MAC is, and i was also very much sad about nokia and samsung fones, then i bought iphone 4, after few days of working on it, i was disappointed because of restrictions like BT transfer and every time i have to sync the phone with windows or mac to get my contacts updated, then i switched back to Samsung Galaxy Tab, it was awsome to me at that time, no restrictions and can download any app from internet and can play on it, but after few days i found crashing of the app and poor battery life etc etc, then i heard about IOS 5, it was little bit confusing to me in starting but after that i found it that its an awsome phone and IOS in this world, after that i bought IPAD 2, then iPhone 4s, and now Ipad 3, and i just even cant think of any other phone or gadget except Apple, its the bestest thing with bestest product i have ever used, in near future i will buy apple's everything.
This is just my experience, maybe differ to anyone. but Apple is the best

EngageWithRage
Apr 24, 2012, 01:58 PM
I personally do not like the feel of the Android OS, but that is just me, I ahve yet to try out the latest versions of it, may do so just to mess around with it. I am quite happy with my iOS (iPhone 4s) for many reasons. The OS is clean, works well and I know that no matter what happens I will always have a new version of the OS on my iPhone without having to upgrade to newer or different phone like with Android, The iOs is tailored just for the iPhone. It also just feels like a good quality phone, this coupled with the jailbreak which allows me to remove alot of the restrictions that Apple has placed just make it so much more appealing to me. This is of course my opinion.

DodgeV83
Apr 24, 2012, 02:08 PM
I don't know what is wrong with the phones you guys are using, but mine has been as smooth and fast as iOS, should say "previous" iOS as I noticed way more issues with glitches and lag on iOS5 on our 3 iPhones. I remember you mentioning videos, well all I know is I go on news, financials, and other sites all day if not around a computer and clicking links opens vids immediately and smoothly.

A friend of mine was demoing his HTC Rezound and almost every screen he went to had choppy scrolling.

The same friend a month earlier was demoing his Sony Xperia Play, started up Grand Theft Auto 3 and it was choppy. Definitely playable, but there were clear frame rate drops while driving.

2 co-workers said flash runs amazingly on their phones, so we went to CNN.com and it was unwatchable. One phone simply didn't load anything, and the other phone loaded the flash element for over a minute, then started buffering the video, and finally it played...at 1 frame per second.

Someone else just bought the HTC One S, and both Grand Theft Auto 3 and Skype have no audio.

SurferMan
Apr 24, 2012, 02:43 PM
A friend of mine was demoing his HTC Rezound and almost every screen he went to had choppy scrolling.

The same friend a month earlier was demoing his Sony Xperia Play, started up Grand Theft Auto 3 and it was choppy. Definitely playable, but there were clear frame rate drops while driving.

2 co-workers said flash runs amazingly on their phones, so we went to CNN.com and it was unwatchable. One phone simply didn't load anything, and the other phone loaded the flash element for over a minute, then started buffering the video, and finally it played...at 1 frame per second.

Someone else just bought the HTC One S, and both Grand Theft Auto 3 and Skype have no audio.I have GTA3 and few other "intense" games like Brothers in Arms 2 etc (I would say the main one I play is Gun Bro's which is a lot to ask of a phone when there can be so many things going on screen at the same time lol, was my fave game on iOS and even better on Android), not much of a gamer, but they all play smooth for me. Six Guns is another recent one I got that's pretty cool too and nice. I also use CNN and both on wifi and hspa+ vids load immediately and smooth when I click their links. I was just on CNN again to check, and no probs.

Don't know whats wrong with your friends phones? But haven't used those models.

I used GTA3 on a friends iPhone, and didn't see any difference. Though the one thing I don't care for is the controls on both versions....I don't even think this was made directly for mobile, I believe it was a port which for an processor intense game is pretty impressive how well it plays on the iOS and Android (at least my phone lol) but the controls are a tad mehh on both OSs for a touch screen.

DodgeV83
Apr 24, 2012, 04:24 PM
I have GTA3 and few other "intense" games like Brothers in Arms 2 etc (I would say the main one I play is Gun Bro's which is a lot to ask of a phone when there can be so many things going on screen at the same time lol, was my fave game on iOS and even better on Android), not much of a gamer, but they all play smooth for me. Six Guns is another recent one I got that's pretty cool too and nice. I also use CNN and both on wifi and hspa+ vids load immediately and smooth when I click their links. I was just on CNN again to check, and no probs.

Don't know whats wrong with your friends phones? But haven't used those models.

I used GTA3 on a friends iPhone, and didn't see any difference. Though the one thing I don't care for is the controls on both versions....I don't even think this was made directly for mobile, I believe it was a port which for an processor intense game is pretty impressive how well it plays on the iOS and Android (at least my phone lol) but the controls are a tad mehh on both OSs for a touch screen.

That's good, I'm glad CNN finally enabled the HTML5 videos for other phones, always thought that was a bit silly.

I agree, the controls can take a bit of getting used to, but once the learning curve is over I don't even notice the controls. Lately I've been playing Infinity Blade 2, GTA3, Chrono Trigger, Dark Meadow, Sword and Sorcery, Galcon, Uniwar and my all-time favorite...

Max Payne :D

Maziar
Apr 26, 2012, 04:57 AM
I'm one of those guys who tried all mobile OS's for 1-2 year and decided to back to iOS again.
I bought an iPhone 4 as soon as it came out(my first ever Apple product) and had it for almost a year.

By that time,WP7.5 devices came out and I liked the looks of it,so I sold my iP4 and got a HTC Titan. WP 7.5 is butter smooth and has an excellent Facebook/twitter integration but it's got a lot of problems as well.First of all,there aren't much apps for WP7.5;furthermore,some popular apps/games such as Angrybirds aren't as smooth as the iOS version.Also it lacks a good notification system,you can't read a message/email from the lock screen and overall,although it's a great OS,it indeed lacks some important features.
Also,4.7" screen is fantastic for watching movies/web surfing but I found it much more difficult to use with one hand compared to the iPhone(don't get me wrong here,I love big screens but I really need something that I can use perfectly with one hand which I couldn't do it with the Titan).Some tasks such as navigating in the home screen/web pages were fine but most tasks such as texting/typing weren't and overall the phone didn't feel well with one hand.

In the mean time,a friend of mine bought a Galaxy note and I had the change to test it for 2-3 days.(It was the first time using an Android phone).And it's indeed a great OS and offers lots of customizations such as widgets/etc. and the S-pen is useful for some tasks but even it's got great specs,it wasn't as smooth as either iP4 or Titan.(Many say that's because of the widgets/apps running in the background,so I decided to remove all widgets and it helped but not much),even scrolling in the menus wasn't that smooth and of course,the phone is gigantic.5.3" is just too big for my taste and I found it ridiculous when I held it next to my ear.

So yes,Android is much more customizable than iOS but I'm like one of those guys who wants a straight OS for his mobile devices.I basically don't care about widgets/customization;however,that doesn't mean that iOS is perfect.There are lots of features which I hope Apple will add to iOS.

So after working with these 3 phones,I decided to go back to iOS(got an iPhone 4S) and I'm quite satisfied,but as I mentioned,I hope Apple makes some necessary changes in iOS 6.

Sorry for the long post :)

DanBurns91
Apr 26, 2012, 06:05 AM
okay.....a dual core faster than a quad+1 core....yeah yeah....[COLOR="#808080"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iutd8PzRtCc

gpsouza
Apr 26, 2012, 07:27 AM
I don't buy an android just because when my gf android have a problem and needs to update, somehow the 2.3.6 android version was available to Netherlands, and here in Portugal we can't go higher than 2.2... C'mon, it's the freaking same phone!

cynics
Apr 26, 2012, 07:51 AM
Both have there ups and downs. I feel like its all a matter of what you are willing to settle for.

Some want a super smooth UI while others want the phone to continue to multitask thus losing its smoothness.

Some want a phone that feels solid and expensive while others don't mind a plastic phone or prefer a more durable phone.

It's all opinions and none are right or wrong.

blackhand1001
May 4, 2012, 02:10 PM
If you had it for a month, you didn't try very hard at all it seems. I have had my SGS2 Skyrocket for about 2 weeks now, and I have not rooted it or placed any custom roms on it, yet I have an app that notifies me, even in standby, if I have an sms, email, text, app update and so on, via audio and visual notification. The app is called NoLED. And this also takes care of notification badges too, since NoLED tells you exactly how many missed calls, texts, sms messages, voice mails, charging indicator, current weather and any app you specify that updates.

Gmail is a POS email client. If you had ask sd any Android user, they would have guided you to K-9, although iOS'es email and Sparrow are much, much better than any Android email app. K-9 would have been in 3rd place to those 2, if it was on iOS.

Can't help the fact you have small hands and a 4.5 inch screen is too big. A little planning and educating yourself by playing with in store phones could have told you the S2 would be too big for you.

Point is, you don't have much in the way of a valid point. If you had given your opinion about the Android OS not being to your liking, or there was lag in the processes that you couldn't stand or some other hardware glitch, I could understand. But what you posted... That was more akin to someone complaining, just to complain, imo. Not hating on you, it's just how I perceived your post.

Personally, I enjoy using Android, but I also enjoy WebOS and iOS. Got no real complaints about any of them. It really seems like people hate on iOS or Android because they didn't educate themselves fully on the capabilities, or they are just hating to hate (you see this a lot on the Android forums, unfortunately.)

The stock ics email client is a huge leap forward. Whether or not samsung gives you it in touchwiz is another story though.