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Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2012, 08:44 AM
Did anyone catch MacBreak Weekly yesterday or watch/listen to the podcast later? It was broadcast from NAB so Larry Jordan was on discussing FCPX and the forthcoming update he got a "sneak peak" at. I was struck when he said he asked Apple if it could commit to delivering new hardware, i.e., new MP, to take advantage of the new features to which he was told "no."

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We all know that Apple doesn't pre-announce, blah, blah, blah. But they also usually use weasel words when asked about product. Rarely do they just say "no." For the first time I'm wondering if the MP era is really over. Larry Jordan is quite reliable so I'm positive he wouldn't screw up his own rep by misrepresenting what Apple execs told him. No is no, not a enigmatic "we have a powerful product line up coming later this year."

Thoughts?



strausd
Apr 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
Well all we can really do is hope that he is wrong :/

Personally, when I need to upgrade my Mac Pro, I am going to just build my own desktop, I know that may not be a possibility for people who don't have the time or need certain support, but it will offer great performance at a lower cost for me.

pianoman88
Apr 18, 2012, 09:05 AM
Not a problem for me.

For those of you who have never tried building a PC, it's not as difficult as you might think. You are attaching a power supply, storage devices, memory, expansion cards and a CPU. The cables, cards, and memory are designed so that they only fit one way. The only challenging bits may be installing the CPU - what with the paste and selecting an appropriate heat sink - getting a suitable case, and the "right" power supply and video cards, but there is lots of information available on the Web and salespeople can help.

Will I miss my shiny tower when I sell my MP? A little bit. But I do relish the thought of having Thunderbolt available (among other things).

Glen Quagmire
Apr 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
Another "Mac Pro is doomed" thread? Oh god, make it stop.

Why would Apple tell him anything? Why would the person he was talking to about FCPX know anything about future Mac Pros or other hardware?

Are people going to continue to create threads about this topic at the merest prompting? This is getting (even more) tiresome.

deconstruct60
Apr 18, 2012, 09:33 AM
I was struck when he said he asked Apple if it could commit to delivering new hardware, i.e., new MP, to take advantage of the new features to which he was told "no."
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We all know that Apple doesn't pre-announce, blah, blah, blah.


But he did not ask for a pre-announcement. He asked for a contractual commitment from Apple. Of course the answer is "no". There are only a few executives in the company that can commit Apple to a course of action. I doubt he was talking the upper inner circle.

If he wanted a weasel answer he should have ask a weasel question.
His exact question was "Can you speculate on hardware?". Of course the answer to that is no. It is explicitly against company policy to speculate in public on the record. This is equivalent to asking "are you willing to break your company's disclosure policy?". Let's see keep my career at Apple viable versus dribble some rumor ....


"Can you commit to hardware?". There is no way some mid level software exec can commit the whole corporation to a course of action. Again, of course the answer is no. It is not their call. Nor would it be likely that they were given approval to talk about products outside of their area. Even the non-detailed "more FCPX in 2012" is likely purely on pre-approval by someone above their pay grade.

He asked " if there is any new software " and they sent visual cues something coming. Again not too surprising if talking to software execs. They know, but cannot say anything. For hardware they probably don't even know. Even if they have internally seen an internal prototype that doesn't mean it is on track as a product. If Apple has withheld information from them then they can't leak it with visual cues. Leak protection is done inside of Apple as well as outside.



For the first time I'm wondering if the MP era is really over.

You are free to do that. However, this commentary by FCPX execs is a non-informational. Given the questions asked there were no useful answers coming.

Umbongo
Apr 18, 2012, 09:37 AM
Another "Mac Pro is doomed" thread? Oh god, make it stop.

Why would Apple tell him anything? Why would the person he was talking to about FCPX know anything about future Mac Pros or other hardware?

Are people going to continue to create threads about this topic at the merest prompting? This is getting (even more) tiresome.

This is an important thing, we know how secret Apple are about things within the company. It doesn't mean anything.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2012, 11:05 AM
But he did not ask for a pre-announcement. He asked for a contractual commitment from Apple. Of course the answer is "no". There are only a few executives in the company that can commit Apple to a course of action. I doubt he was talking the upper inner circle.


Well, first, and I say this as an atty, there is nothing relating to a "contract" here. Mr. Jordan simply asked Apple execs if new hardware was forthcoming this year and they didn't try to be non-committal, yet not shut the door; no typical attempt to be clever as Apple usually does -- they simple said "no." I would not expect them to, "say, but yes, of course," as that obviously gets into announcing a product, but it's rare for Apple to simply say, "no."

During the MBW show Mr. Jordan said he was doing over 80 interviews at NAB and in each one he's probably retelling the story how Apple told him "no" to MP update anytime soon. If that was not what Apple intended to relay to the world it would have finessed its words. I think we can all agree Apple knows how to finesse expertly.

Also, I would find it hard to believe Mr. Jordan, the only "outsider" we know of to-date to be invited to see the new FCX update, wasn't briefed by at least one rep from the upper executive level. Apple's goal in showing Mr. Jordan the update is to hopefully impress him enough to go out and evangelize the update. Part of that process is giving the platinum treatment, i.e., being led around by company VIPs not a lower level dev team. Plus VIPs know the exact message it wants to get out.


Another "Mac Pro is doomed" thread? Oh god, make it stop.

Why would Apple tell him anything? Why would the person he was talking to about FCPX know anything about future Mac Pros or other hardware?

Are people going to continue to create threads about this topic at the merest prompting? This is getting (even more) tiresome.

1. Mr. Jordan did not state the MP was "doomed," but that he was told nothing anytime soon.

2. Mr. Jordan is well respected in the video world which is why it invited him to preview FCX and the recent update. Apple tells him things because it's good PR to have "opinion leaders" talk about its products rather than pushing out a press release all the time.

3. It's true someone developing FCX probably wouldn't know much about future hardware. But if that is who he asked the the correct answer for them is "that's not my department, you'd have to ask someone in hardware." A FCX dev isn't at liberty to say "yes" or "no" about future hardware... or even current except how it relates to s/w features.

4. I posted this thread b/c the source is excellent and it's the latest news we've heard about the MP. The usuall "doom" threads are personal opinion. I did not post opinion, even if it is hearsay.

dagomike
Apr 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
I don't think that's right. On his blog he wrote of his meeting with Apple:

"I tried to get them to provide hints on upcoming hardware, but no hints were provided."

That's not the same thing as no new Mac Pro anytime soon. That's Apple being Apple and not talking about unannounced products.

xgman
Apr 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
My thoughts are that the Mac Pro is actually about to be dead and Apple has in mind to bump the iMac spec a bit to ATTEMPT to compensate for the gap. If I'm right this is terrible news. Also, at this late stage of no word from Apple, doom and gloom notions are a reality. A single word from Apple can prevent this, but I really am thinking that in the "Apple knows best" philosophy, they want to move us to different "powerful" platforms. Keep in mind that in Apple's way of thinking, even an ipad is considered a "powerful" platform.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2012, 11:24 AM
I don't think that's right. On his blog he wrote of his meeting with Apple:

"I tried to get them to provide hints on upcoming hardware, but no hints were provided."

That's not the same thing as no new Mac Pro anytime soon. That's Apple being Apple and not talking about unannounced products.

Perhaps, but if you go to the video link I posted he clearly says he asked if
"they were going to be able to commit to any new hardware and they all said no." I get Apple isn't going to talk about unreleased hardware, but Apple is asked about unreleased product all the time, esp. during quarterly analyst calls and they never outright say "no." Now maybe it's Mr. Jordan saying "no," not the execs, and that would jibe with his blog post, but it's the "no" that still has me curious.

xgman
Apr 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
I really hate to be so negative on this, but I just can't shake this gut feeling that we already have our answer. One thing I do know, Apple like to tell us what we need as opposed to us telling Apple what to produce. They can spin this in many different ways.

dagomike
Apr 18, 2012, 11:42 AM
Perhaps, but if you go to the video link I posted he clearly says he asked if
"they were going to be able to commit to any new hardware and they all said no." I get Apple isn't going to talk about unreleased hardware, but Apple is asked about unreleased product all the time, esp. during quarterly analyst calls and they never outright say "no." Now maybe it's Mr. Jordan saying "no," not the execs, and that would jibe with his blog post, but it's the "no" that still has me curious.

I can't watch the video right now, but take what he wrote in his blog and that quote I would say Apple wasn't there to talk about future hardware. They were just there to pimp FCPX and get people to hate it less. Tying that into no new Mac Pros is a reach, IMO.

goMac
Apr 18, 2012, 12:19 PM
Huh?

All Apple said is that they wouldn't comment.

Thread subject very misleading.

As far as Larry Jordan getting pre-release hardware details, even Gruber doesn't get prerelease hardware details, and he's arguably more important to Apple than Larry Jordan.

wallysb01
Apr 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
Huh?

All Apple said is that they wouldn't comment.

Thread subject very misleading.

That's what I got out of it too.

deconstruct60
Apr 18, 2012, 01:42 PM
Well, first, and I say this as an atty, there is nothing relating to a "contract" here. Mr. Jordan simply asked Apple execs if new hardware was forthcoming this year and they didn't try to be non-committal, yet not shut the door; no typical attempt to be clever as Apple usually does --

Apple doesn't do "clever" when you are off topic.

" ... The meeting was structured and conducted very much like an Apple product announcement event. ...
... A presentation that started with the day’s focus (“We wanted you here today to talk about OS X”) and a review of the Mac’s success over the past few years (5.2 million Macs sold last quarter; 23 (soon to be 24) consecutive quarters of sales growth exceeding the overall PC industry; tremendous uptake among Mac users of the Mac App Store and the rapid adoption of Lion). ... "
http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

Apple does laser focused presentations. They don't dribble out Mac Pro tidbits at iPhone announcements. They don't dribble out iOS hints at MacBook Pro announcements. This whole premise that they do cross product rumor dribbling in single presentation is weak.

but it's rare for Apple to simply say, "no."

If that is the proper answer it is not rare. "Would you care to speculate?". The simple answer to that is "No". There is an implicit "No, I would like to stay on topic". But "No, there is nothing to talk about" simply you injecting baseless speculation.


During the MBW show Mr. Jordan said he was doing over 80 interviews at NAB and in each one he's probably retelling the story how Apple told him "no" to MP update anytime soon.

It is highly like he is not saying that. If he is that's probably the last preview he ever gets from Apple because that is not what they told him. That's you rephrasing what both Apple and Jordan said to say something different.




Also, I would find it hard to believe Mr. Jordan, the only "outsider" we know of to-date to be invited to see the new FCX update,

In additon to the other quote from the blog that shows you are off base, this too is offbase.

" .. Here are the bullet points (none of this was demoed):
.....
I asked if Apple would commit to WHEN these features would be available? They politely declined to speculate. (Sigh…) ...."
http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/1800

First, he didn't pragmatically see anything. There was no demo. Perhaps some conceptual screen shots but this wasn't a visual thing. At least in the "on the record" part. They may showed him something off the record. Second, when he pressed for them to speculate on a timeline on these future FCPX features then punted. Just like they punted when pressed about timeline for hardware.



Apple's goal in showing Mr. Jordan the update is to hopefully impress him enough to go out and evangelize the update.

Right. They want him to talk about the FCPX update. Not the Apple product catalog... just about one thing.

Part of that process is giving the platinum treatment, i.e., being led around by company VIPs not a lower level dev team. Plus VIPs know the exact message it wants to get out.

There is a gap between a senior product director or software VP and the folks who can "go / no go" a product. At Apple the "go / no go" is tightly held by a very small few. I doubt any of them were tasked with pushing FCPX. It is just that strategic of product for Apple.

MacVidCards
Apr 18, 2012, 01:51 PM
somebody wanted some attention

Peace
Apr 18, 2012, 01:59 PM
The guy asked about "Mac Hardware". You guys do realize there are other Macs than run FCPX don't you ? The iMac being one.

Does this mean no more iMacs too ?

AppleDroid
Apr 18, 2012, 02:15 PM
Either way it's ridiculous that there hasn't been some sort of update about a product nearly three years out-of-date. Mac Pros aren't sexy like an iphone so I don't get the secrecy if that is what this is.

My guess is that Apple was banking on thunderbolt adoption taking off much faster than it has. If we had more available external options such as hard drives and gfx boxes etc then they would drop the MP and just promote the iMac as the expandable pro machine.

I don't like this path but it seems the most Apple like move considering their push for hardware and software consolidation.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2012, 02:28 PM
It is highly like he is not saying that. If he is that's probably the last preview he ever gets from Apple because that is not what they told him. That's you rephrasing what both Apple and Jordan said to say something different.


I didn't rephrase. I took what he said on the show. Maybe he didn't mean to phrase it the way he did, maybe I'm misinterpreting what he means. But it's not a matter of "It is highly like he is not saying that." He said what he said. Did you bother to listen to the clip? I'm not sure how I'm being off topic but we'll just have to agree to disagree. I thought what he said was interesting given how long its been since we've seen an updated MP and also that the FCPX update will support Red. Obviously one isn't going to edit Red footage on an iMac. So why would a video pro get excited about Red support if their isn't going to be an updated machine to support it? Seems weird to me.

goMac
Apr 18, 2012, 02:30 PM
Exact quote: "I asked if they are going to be able to commit to any hardware and they said no."

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Thread title: "No MP update any time soon."

Again, thread title misleading.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2012, 02:43 PM
Exact quote: "I asked if they are going to be able to commit to any hardware and they said no."

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Thread title: "No MP update any time soon."

Again, thread title misleading.

Different people can interpret the quote (or any quote) differently -- depends on what the meaning of "is" is...). My title is how I interpret what he meant. You see it another way, which is fair, and I see how it can be read differently. It's why I ended my initial post with "thoughts?" But my title isn't misleading unless you are only able to understand the literal. I did not put quotes around "no updates anytime soon." That would be misleading.

ElderBrE
Apr 18, 2012, 02:54 PM
Another "Mac Pro is doomed" thread? Oh god, make it stop.

Why would Apple tell him anything? Why would the person he was talking to about FCPX know anything about future Mac Pros or other hardware?

Are people going to continue to create threads about this topic at the merest prompting? This is getting (even more) tiresome.

Agreed.

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Different people can interpret the quote (or any quote) differently -- depends on what the meaning of "is" is...). My title is how I interpret what he meant. You see it another way, which is fair, and I see how it can be read differently. It's why I ended my initial post with "thoughts?" But my title isn't misleading unless you are only able to understand the literal. I did not put quotes around "no updates anytime soon." That would be misleading.

That sounds a lot to what tabloids say when asked about why they report on the private life of celebrities...

Joe Walker
Apr 18, 2012, 03:04 PM
If you listen a little earlier in the interview, Larry Jordan speculates that what could be holding up Apple is the possibility that they're trying to make a Fibre Thunderbolt connection to implement in the Mac Pro since right now their Laptop/iMac line is all copper thunderbolt. And thus that would help make editing realtime "true" (lol) 4K a reality. That is the one thing I took away from the interview that offered any kind of real technical insight into what "could" be holding up Apple at the moment. All the rest is pure conjecture.

wafl iron
Apr 18, 2012, 07:18 PM
i think this is a sign from apple to stop speculating.

ScouseGeek
Apr 18, 2012, 07:26 PM
i think this is a sign from apple to stop speculating.

Good point well made, Apple play the cards close to the chest all the time it drives people nuts giving them a good hype PR market, and the occasional rage quit.

Let's just see what the coming day's and weeks bring.

MacVidCards
Apr 18, 2012, 07:44 PM
Exact quote: "I asked if they are going to be able to commit to any hardware and they said no."

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Thread title: "No MP update any time soon."

Again, thread title misleading.

I agree 100%, someone wants to start a thread that gets attention

Why not just claim to invent Cold Fusion?

Or set oneself on fire while chanting "we want what we want"?

Or just deliberately toss a flame into some gasoline and deliberately mis label a thread?

deconstruct60
Apr 18, 2012, 08:45 PM
If you listen a little earlier in the interview, Larry Jordan speculates that what could be holding up Apple is the possibility that they're trying to make a Fibre Thunderbolt connection to implement in the Mac Pro since right now their Laptop/iMac line is all copper thunderbolt.


For the immediate future all that fiber Thunderbolt is going to get you is longer connections. It will be the same speed.

That segment was more lamenting that couldn't do 4K editing over Thunderbolt because of bandwidth limitations. ( suspect implying trying to stream 2-3 4K streams together since there are several products at NAB that leverage 4K and TB). Faster Thunderbolt isn't coming for a couple of years 2014 according comments by Intel. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5405/the-first-thunderbolt-speed-bump-likely-in-2014).

If waiting for faster TB there would still need to be an interim Mac Pro before it gets that speed bump.

Given there are 8x and 16x PCI-e slots in a Mac Pro it really isn't limited with moving data that fast if not kneecapping it by using TB. So not sure why they would wait.

dagomike
Apr 18, 2012, 09:17 PM
If you listen a little earlier in the interview, Larry Jordan speculates that what could be holding up Apple is the possibility that they're trying to make a Fibre Thunderbolt connection to implement in the Mac Pro since right now their Laptop/iMac line is all copper thunderbolt. And thus that would help make editing realtime "true" (lol) 4K a reality. That is the one thing I took away from the interview that offered any kind of real technical insight into what "could" be holding up Apple at the moment. All the rest is pure conjecture.

He doesn't have to have speculate. Look no further than Intel's roadmap. If there's still no new Mac Pros 3-6 months from now, THEN there's ample room to speculate.

ClassObject
Apr 18, 2012, 09:25 PM
Who cares?

macpro2000
Apr 18, 2012, 10:28 PM
Wirelessly posted

I think it's reasonable to speculate if something hasn't been refreshed for over two years. Do you think if they had never updated the original iPad they would be selling as well as they are today...I think not.

nox-uk
Apr 19, 2012, 02:26 AM
Exact quote: "I asked if they are going to be able to commit to any hardware and they said no."

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Thread title: "No MP update any time soon."

Again, thread title misleading.

If you read that quote exactly - they are not commiting to any new hardware, no new iPhones, iPads nothing. This is obviously not the case - so should be completely ignored (unless apple now think we don't need any new iphones etc...)

All this speculation is getting out of hand. My glass is half full, not half empty - i'm looking forward to the next set of Mac Pro updates. They have an OS thats having a lot of work put into it at the moment, why would they reduce the number of machines that will run it.

Nox

finchna
Apr 19, 2012, 07:41 AM
Larry Jordan said he asked of some group of Apple reps/employees/execs the following (or some form of the following):


"Can you speculate on what hardware is coming?"

"Are they're going to be able to commit to any hardware?"


Saying no to those questions means nothing. There would be no speculation from Apple employees and they can not commit to anything.

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Different people can interpret the quote (or any quote) differently -- depends on what the meaning of "is" is...). My title is how I interpret what he meant. You see it another way, which is fair, and I see how it can be read differently. It's why I ended my initial post with "thoughts?" But my title isn't misleading unless you are only able to understand the literal. I did not put quotes around "no updates anytime soon." That would be misleading.

Actually it is misleading. It suggests that Larry Jordan said on MacBreak Weekly that there would be no Mac Pro updates anytime soon and the interview provides no data to back up that claim and Larry Jordan didn't say that.

How about just sharing what he said and not interpreting, extrapolating, guessing, divining, etc. when there's no data to support it?

xgman
Apr 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
Frankly I don't care what the title suggests. I just hope Apple somehow gets wind of the frustration and makes some sort of comment.

tdar
Apr 19, 2012, 10:09 AM
Frankly I don't care what the title suggests. I just hope Apple somehow gets wind of the frustration and makes some sort of comment.

Of course, being we are talking about Apple, they won't. I believe that if they did, we would have a whole new group of threads that would complain about the news they would provide. (think "TRUCK" vs "CAR")

xgman
Apr 19, 2012, 10:15 AM
Apple sometimes reacts, albeit very late and very vague, to certain issues that generate what they perceive as bad press. I am actually somewhat surprised that they are still 100% silent on this one. Not so much as a real hint of their intent or inside leak. Maybe it is a simple as they have yet to decide what to do. In any case, I don't see how making noise hurts the cause.

thekev
Apr 19, 2012, 10:42 AM
But he did not ask for a pre-announcement. He asked for a contractual commitment from Apple. Of course the answer is "no". There are only a few executives in the company that can commit Apple to a course of action. I doubt he was talking the upper inner circle.

If he wanted a weasel answer he should have ask a weasel question.
His exact question was "Can you speculate on hardware?". Of course the answer to that is no. It is explicitly against company policy to speculate in public on the record. This is equivalent to asking "are you willing to break your company's disclosure policy?". Let's see keep my career at Apple viable versus dribble some rumor ....



People read way too far into a one word answer. It's amazing how many threads we get due to tech trolling.

My thoughts are that the Mac Pro is actually about to be dead and Apple has in mind to bump the iMac spec a bit to ATTEMPT to compensate for the gap. If I'm right this is terrible news. Also, at this late stage of no word from Apple, doom and gloom notions are a reality. A single word from Apple can prevent this, but I really am thinking that in the "Apple knows best" philosophy, they want to move us to different "powerful" platforms. Keep in mind that in Apple's way of thinking, even an ipad is considered a "powerful" platform.

I think you're missing something here. In what way would they bump the imac? Thunderbolt specs aren't increasing anytime soon, and when you do see an increase, it may not be that great of one. It may take many revisions and generations for it to match what you can do today simply via pci cards. On bumping the imac, what would you do? The top cpu option is the second fastest in that socket type. The fastest is only slightly faster. Regardless of what you do, I doubt you'd notice the difference. It's a case of if the 2600k won't do the job, the 2700k isn't going to change that. On gpus, they're not going to fit a significantly hotter one in there. They currently use one that was designed for heavy laptops. Heat is likely to be a limiting factor there. I guess they could eventually ditch 3.5" drives and maybe force in 3x 2.5" drives, but that won't make a big difference today. It's unlikely that the controller could fully utilize that amount of drive bandwidth.

This is my point. What could you really bump without a drastic redesign? Also yeah Apple likes to use "powerful" as a buzz word, much like "retina".

I didn't rephrase. I took what he said on the show. Maybe he didn't mean to phrase it the way he did, maybe I'm misinterpreting what he means. But it's not a matter of "It is highly like he is not saying that." He said what he said. Did you bother to listen to the clip? I'm not sure how I'm being off topic but we'll just have to agree to disagree. I thought what he said was interesting given how long its been since we've seen an updated MP and also that the FCPX update will support Red. Obviously one isn't going to edit Red footage on an iMac. So why would a video pro get excited about Red support if their isn't going to be an updated machine to support it? Seems weird to me.

I guess you could try to edit it on an imac if you don't expect it to play back in real time, but it doesn't sound that fun.


Wirelessly posted

I think it's reasonable to speculate if something hasn't been refreshed for over two years. Do you think if they had never updated the original iPad they would be selling as well as they are today...I think not.

If you look at the PC workstation market, it's fairly stagnant too. Most of the time in workstations the available gpus are firepros and quadros. While they've seen a couple added in the last year or so, those have mostly been ultra expensive ones. Cpus are still the same Nehalem and Westmere options that they were a couple years ago. Some of the prices do fluctuate a bit, but not as much as their consumer oriented lines. In the case of Apple, you get a shorter standard warranty on their workstation models unless you opt to pay for Applecare, and you tend to pay more for single socket configurations. In dual socket configurations they're often middle of the pack as in other oems may charge more or less for comparable builds. Generally on the Windows side you have more options in terms of configuration, and Apple's gpu drivers sometimes suck.

It's just not that reasonable to speculate when nothing that interesting was available to update. At most you would have seen a disappointing gpu bump.

xgman
Apr 19, 2012, 12:01 PM
I think you're missing something here. In what way would they bump the imac? Thunderbolt specs aren't increasing anytime soon, and when you do see an increase, it may not be that great of one. It may take many revisions and generations for it to match what you can do today simply via pci cards. On bumping the imac, what would you do? The top cpu option is the second fastest in that socket type. The fastest is only slightly faster. Regardless of what you do, I doubt you'd notice the difference. It's a case of if the 2600k won't do the job, the 2700k isn't going to change that. On gpus, they're not going to fit a significantly hotter one in there. They currently use one that was designed for heavy laptops. Heat is likely to be a limiting factor there. I guess they could eventually ditch 3.5" drives and maybe force in 3x 2.5" drives, but that won't make a big difference today. It's unlikely that the controller could fully utilize that amount of drive bandwidth.

This is my point. What could you really bump without a drastic redesign? Also yeah Apple likes to use "powerful" as a buzz word, much like "retina".

I guess you could try to edit it on an imac if you don't expect it to play back in real time, but it doesn't sound that fun.




No one said that it would make sense, only that if that's the direction Apple wants to move, they will spin something to that end and expect us to fall in line.

Photovore
Apr 19, 2012, 02:26 PM
Apple sometimes reacts, albeit very late and very vague, to certain issues that generate what they perceive as bad press. I am actually somewhat surprised that they are still 100% silent on this one. Not so much as a real hint of their intent or inside leak. Maybe it is a simple as they have yet to decide what to do. In any case, I don't see how making noise hurts the cause.
The bestest reason to say nothing at all would be if they know they'll be announcing in the next few weeks anyway....

edit: by the way, re: the thread title, if someone asked me if I would "commit" to eating lunch tomorrow I would tell them "no", even if I fully intended to. AND, if someone asked me if I would "commit" to someone in another department within my company eating lunch tomorrow, Hah!

24Frames
Apr 19, 2012, 03:09 PM
I can't find any major vendor offering Intel E5-26xx based workstations globally, a few have them in the US, such as HP and Levano, but I haven't seen any in Europe.

If Apple actually launched updated Mac Pros with immediate availability in the next couple of weeks. Silent update alongside new MBP 15 perhaps. Then they could probably be the first out worldwide.

The iPad rollout maybe telling us something about Apple's plans too, it will be launched in 12 more countries on Friday 20th April and a further 9 on Friday 27th April. That could well mean that they plan to start updating the Macs in May and are getting the iPad rollouts out the way first. There is a limit to how many products Apple can update at anyone time due to the shipping logistics.

ixodes
Apr 19, 2012, 03:20 PM
Did anyone catch MacBreak Weekly yesterday or watch/listen to the podcast later?
Thoughts?
First off, thank you for this post. I usually check MacBreak Weekly, but I missed yesterday's.

As one who has used Mac Pro's professionally since inception, I truly hope they do not give up this iconic model.

That said, I am disappointed with the direction that Apple is taking OS X, and can't help but wonder if it's racing towards the demise of what we once enjoyed for both consumer, and professional level work.

Only time will tell.