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Ariii
Apr 21, 2012, 10:18 PM
I recently read an article on lowendmac.com, and I can't find the exact one, but I remember it said something along the lines of this:

"I can no longer recommend G3's and slower G4's due to the fact that now that tablets are out, there is already a market for cheap and dependable machines for light internet usage and basic tasks."

I can partly agree with this, but I have many objections, and many of them are obvious. Am I missing some kind of point?



goMac
Apr 21, 2012, 10:23 PM
Tablets are a little more expensive than a PowerPC, but a lot better at doing average user tasks (Facebook, email, web, video playback, Netflix...) The hardware is also faster.

You loose a bit (like old pro apps), but aside from that, I'd have to agree.

QuarterSwede
Apr 21, 2012, 10:27 PM
In an age of HD video on the web I'd agree too.

Ariii
Apr 21, 2012, 11:00 PM
Tablets are a little more expensive than a PowerPC, but a lot better at doing average user tasks (Facebook, email, web, video playback, Netflix...) The hardware is also faster.

You loose a bit (like old pro apps), but aside from that, I'd have to agree.

Yeah, for that it's better, and I agree on that completely.

One thing that I forgot to bring up though, is that even with it's lower performance, it's still a full computer, which tablets almost always aren't. (Sorry, I was about to edit my initial post to include it, but my browser won't let me)

goMac
Apr 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
Depends what you define "full computer" by. It supports keyboards. It has video out. It can import from cameras.

(Edit: Referring to the iPad, obviously.)

Hrududu
Apr 21, 2012, 11:19 PM
Not for me they haven't. My 12" Powwerbook and G5 still see a lot more use than my HP TouchPad (which I consider to be an excellent tablet) just because i still prefer a real keyboard and mouse interface along with a traditional computer file system. For screwing around online, maybe the tablets have a slight edge, but if I want to sit down with some spreadsheets & listen to music, I'll pass on the tablet anytime.

goMac
Apr 21, 2012, 11:21 PM
For screwing around online, maybe the tablets have a slight edge, but if I want to sit down with some spreadsheets & listen to music, I'll pass on the tablet anytime.

Eh. Tablets can do both those things as well with a keyboard.

Screen is slightly smaller than the 12" Powerbook, but I can see why pro users would prefer a G5 over an iPad. For an more average user though? It would be a tough sell.

QuarterSwede
Apr 21, 2012, 11:28 PM
Eh. Tablets can do both those things as well with a keyboard.

Screen is slightly smaller than the 12" Powerbook, but I can see why pro users would prefer a G5 over an iPad. For an more average user though? It would be a tough sell.
An average user wouldn't even bother with (or know about) a PowerPC Mac. They'd go straight for the iPad.

yanksrock100
Apr 21, 2012, 11:47 PM
I have an android tablet and an iBook g3. They both can do simlilar things, but i use my tablet for youtube and music more (since on google music it doesnt take up storage as opposed to the Mac)
Web browsing speeds are almost identical.

For some reason, however, I enjoy the Book ALOT more. Its just a nice machine, even though its old, it does what any average user needs.....just like a tablet.

However, I spent $65 on the iBook and $300 on the Tablet....hmmm....

tom vilsack
Apr 22, 2012, 01:03 AM
Im guessing the average tablet user has no idea about older ppc...

ps: you can buy a good cheap android tablet for about $70 at merimobiles...

i personally have a rimm $199 tablet and really like it...however i would never consider it a replacement for my ibook/powerbook's...

Starfighter
Apr 22, 2012, 04:28 AM
A tablet is, like some have pointed out nothing like the "real deal" - with keyboard, mouse and other physical treats. I don't really understand the reasoning behind it, a product should be seen as definately obsolete because another does it equally or slightly better? Hm...

ppcg4mac
Apr 22, 2012, 04:39 AM
The iPad may have more processing power than my emac, but I'd never switch full time to it.

KurtangleTN
Apr 22, 2012, 11:53 AM
It's tough, an Apple refurb iPad is $350. You can find Android tablets of similar power refurb for $250 without issues.. the used market will be even cheaper for them. Soon a slew of 7" tablets will be released, possibly with Quad Cores for about $200. A lot of these will do tasks better than a lot of PPC computers, but they also can't do some things a PPC computer can.

Tablets aren't great at multitasking, even Android ones. You can only do one app at a time. Browsing, having an IM program, and taking notes.. something a G3 iBook could do (albeit somewhat slowly in the browsing department) is a nightmare on tablets.

It's also about form factor, a touchpad and keyboard are a hell of a lot more productive IMO than fingers. Sure, you can get a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse but I'm not sure how you plan to sit on your couch and do that. Those transformer tablets would be a good compromise though.. albeit again it doesn't fix the OS's multitasking issues.

Ariii
Apr 23, 2012, 12:31 AM
A tablet is, like some have pointed out nothing like the "real deal" - with keyboard, mouse and other physical treats. I don't really understand the reasoning behind it, a product should be seen as definately obsolete because another does it equally or slightly better? Hm...

It's not raw processing power. The different App stores force developers to recode their software specifically, so there's probably going to be a lot of great, potentially important software that you can never find for those other ones. And it's harder to find software that can replace those for non-tablet devices, and chances are you'll build up a lot of costs over time. And freedom is a major advantage of PPCs as well.

pistooli
Apr 23, 2012, 02:39 AM
It's not raw processing power. The different App stores force developers to recode their software specifically, so there's probably going to be a lot of great, potentially important software that you can never find for those other ones. And it's harder to find software that can replace those for non-tablet devices, and chances are you'll build up a lot of costs over time. And freedom is a major advantage of PPCs as well.

I concur. Even more so reading it and replying from Tapatalk mobile app.

skinniezinho
Apr 23, 2012, 08:30 AM
Tablets are a little more expensive than a PowerPC, but a lot better at doing average user tasks (Facebook, email, web, video playback, Netflix...) The hardware is also faster.

You loose a bit (like old pro apps), but aside from that, I'd have to agree.

An average user wouldn't even bother with (or know about) a PowerPC Mac. They'd go straight for the iPad.

The price of the "new ipad" can get you even a white macbook.
Of course there are some of the cheap android tablets out there for the price of an ibook g3.
But as said, for the average user even a cheap tablet will be a better buy than a powerpc, because almost everything works out of the box.


Not for me they haven't. My 12" Powwerbook and G5 still see a lot more use than my HP TouchPad (which I consider to be an excellent tablet) just because i still prefer a real keyboard and mouse interface along with a traditional computer file system. For screwing around online, maybe the tablets have a slight edge, but if I want to sit down with some spreadsheets & listen to music, I'll pass on the tablet anytime.

I guess for the more "non average users" a 1Ghz+ G4 and a G5 aren't going to be traded for a tab, they can do things that the tab doesn't.

It's not raw processing power. The different App stores force developers to recode their software specifically, so there's probably going to be a lot of great, potentially important software that you can never find for those other ones. And it's harder to find software that can replace those for non-tablet devices, and chances are you'll build up a lot of costs over time. And freedom is a major advantage of PPCs as well.

If we had some apps of the tabs "ported" to powerpc I guess they could live longer, for example tapatalk =)

Once again it all depends on who uses the the pad or the powerpc computer =)
My g4 won't be traded for any tab.

Jessica Lares
Apr 23, 2012, 09:40 AM
When you can now run something like OnLive Desktop on a tablet, it's no different to a real computer. Just get a keyboard and mouse and you're all set really. You also have Mini vMac which is the closest you'll get on the Mac side of things (for now).

Multitasking is now coming a reality with things like LilyPad HD showing up on Android. There's also a browser and video floating app too.

You guys should be happy that you don't have the Mac App Store to be honest. It's a very easy place to get lost in and blow off tons of money with games and apps. I honestly am having a hard time with being tempted to shell out $100 on games I could get for cheaper on a iPad/tablet and/or wouldn't care about otherwise.

pistooli
Apr 23, 2012, 12:58 PM
...You also have Mini vMac which is the closest you'll get on the Mac side of things (for now)...

sad, but the pay version has 1 (read one) download in Google Play :confused:

Jessica Lares
Apr 23, 2012, 04:30 PM
sad, but the pay version has 1 (read one) download in Google Play :confused:

That's because it just came out. I just talked to the developer today actually about it being listed as incompatible. The copy-protection he has right now prevents those using CyanogenMod from downloading it on Google's end which of course pretty much everyone in the tech scene uses because the OEM versions of Android are so bloated.

Ariii
Apr 23, 2012, 07:06 PM
That's because it just came out. I just talked to the developer today actually about it being listed as incompatible. The copy-protection he has right now prevents those using CyanogenMod from downloading it on Google's end which of course pretty much everyone in the tech scene uses because the OEM versions of Android are so bloated.

Wow, I've never heard of that before. I've seen Linux distros being possible to run on an iPad, but end up bricking it a lot of the time, and this looks like it'll solve that problem. Thanks for bringing that up!

I've also seen a lot of open-source developers offer the uncompiled source code of their software, so that offers an option for good PowerPC support.

zap2
Apr 23, 2012, 07:12 PM
Most likely depends on what you need to do.

Have to run Photoshop? Any old PowerPC and an older copy of Photoshop will allow something things that Photoshop for iOS just doesn't.

That said, I'll take an iPad for daily browsing then a PPC Mac

TacticalDesire
Apr 23, 2012, 07:21 PM
I think a lot of people underestimate the average consumer. In my experience with the consumer market, people are doing a lot more than email and solitaire with their computers these days. They are wanting to watch online videos (YouTube, netflix etc.), gaming (not necessarily flash games either), editing their own photos, edit their own videos. The list goes on, and they want it done flawlessly. All of these things I listed require jumping through hoops to get working, tracking down older versions of software, or just plain don't work in some cases on a powerpc system. Not many consumers are willing to put up with, or have the patience to do said things. The power may be there in some cases, but the ease of use factor isn't there. And even then, a modern day Sandy Bridge Celeron/Pentium spanks a dual or quad g5. And for a lot of people, a tablet may fit the bill for them. Although what I am noticing, is people are not replacing their Desktops/laptops with tablets, but are simply using them to complement their computers.

Ariii
Apr 23, 2012, 07:30 PM
Although what I am noticing, is people are not replacing their Desktops/laptops with tablets, but are simply using them to complement their computers.

I have a friend who is now using their iPad as their only computer, actually. Surprisingly, she uses it a lot, and she only occasionally borrows one whenever she really needs a computer. She's claimed to really almost completely use it for Facebook, Angry Birds etc., and watching Youtube with the occasional light text editing.

TacticalDesire
Apr 23, 2012, 07:39 PM
I have a friend who is now using their iPad as their only computer, actually. Surprisingly, she uses it a lot, and she only occasionally borrows one whenever she really needs a computer. She's claimed to really almost completely use it for Facebook, Angry Birds etc., and watching Youtube with the occasional light text editing.

There will obviously be exceptions. I was just basing my post off of my own experiences.

Hrududu
Apr 23, 2012, 07:49 PM
I have a friend who is now using their iPad as their only computer . . . She's claimed to really almost completely use it for Facebook, Angry Birds etc., and watching Youtube with the occasional light text editing.
Thats really what tablets are good for at this point IMO. In some cases, a tablet is OVERKILL for those tasks. At the end of the day there are still a lot of us out there that prefer a traditional computer interface and file system that tablets simply don't give you. Thats why i like using my tablet when I need some extended battery life and im just browsing the internet, but when I get off the couch and want to do anything else, its straight to a real computer.

Ariii
Apr 23, 2012, 08:15 PM
There will obviously be exceptions. I was just basing my post off of my own experiences.

Oh, sorry! I wasn't saying that it was what most people did. I wasn't trying to state you wrong or anything.

TacticalDesire
Apr 23, 2012, 11:34 PM
Oh, sorry! I wasn't saying that it was what most people did. I wasn't trying to state you wrong or anything.
My apologies for the misunderstanding :)

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Thats really what tablets are good for at this point IMO. In some cases, a tablet is OVERKILL for those tasks. At the end of the day there are still a lot of us out there that prefer a traditional computer interface and file system that tablets simply don't give you. Thats why i like using my tablet when I need some extended battery life and im just browsing the internet, but when I get off the couch and want to do anything else, its straight to a real computer.

Agreed. I will never give up a traditional machine.

zen.state
Apr 24, 2012, 12:45 PM
An iPad or any tablet is not a Mac so what good is it to someone who needs to run Mac software? A tablet is only a viable solution for the most basic of consumer users who only need web/mail/music/video and no particular OS or apps.

I personally have zero interest in ever owning one. I feel like a simple minded ape when I use iOS. To many it's amazing and advanced but to my mind it's very primitive. People are too caught up in dragging their fingers around and using the motion sensor to see how limited the tech really is.

SkyBell
Apr 24, 2012, 02:00 PM
Maybe someday I'll get a tablet, but for now PPC does everything I need and more, no reason to spend good money on something I don't need. And I like the keyboard/mouse(touchpad) interface much better; touchscreens are nice for navigating and whatnot I suppose, but they can become a bit cumbersome after a while, and don't even get me started on how much I despise virtual keyboards.

People buy tablets to mess around on the web and play games, and that's perfectly understandable. (I actually wouldn't mind having an HP Touchpad if I could, just to see what's supposedly so much better about tablets) I personally really only do light web browsing, maybe some medium-sized file downloading tops. Heck, I'm making this very post from a clamshell iBook running OS 9, there really isn't much I need power for. ;)

But, I can't say I would recommend a PPC for someone needing to do YT/Flash based sites. It'll work, but probably not to their satisfaction, whereas I and many of us know the limitations these machines have and make do. Tablets are the future I suppose, but it's nice that PPC is still around and still very useful if you lower your standards slightly and know how to use them.

G51989
Apr 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
An iPad or any tablet is not a Mac so what good is it to someone who needs to run Mac software? A tablet is only a viable solution for the most basic of consumer users who only need web/mail/music/video and no particular OS or apps.

I personally have zero interest in ever owning one. I feel like a simple minded ape when I use iOS. To many it's amazing and advanced but to my mind it's very primitive. People are too caught up in dragging their fingers around and using the motion sensor to see how limited the tech really is.

I can agree with this one, they just feel so limited to me. Id take an older PPC machine over a tablet any day, and that's coming from a windows guy.

Tablets are cool, but I refuse to own one. I have one that my job GIVES me for when Im running around, with mobile internet and all that when Im out running out, and yeah, its better than a laptop for what I do with it, I can pop it out, get it done, pop it back in the bag.

So, for a couple of simple tasks that are just convenient, I love my work tablet ( its some kind of Acer ), its great for work. But for everything else, keep me away.

BlastoiseBlue
May 4, 2012, 01:16 PM
Having actually considered an iPad in my search for a temporary laptop replacement, I'd say there's still a place for the PowerPC Macs, but it's a niche market. Do I wish I had bought the iPad? No. Most of my favorite Mac designs are native to the PowerPC years, and even if my iBook G3 (Dual USB) is laggy and takes forever to start up, and the ancient OS X 10.1.5 has very few compatible applications and won't run Facebook or Youtube, I'm glad I bought it. (Though I would have much preferred a G4, or better yet a Blueberry or Tangerine clamshell.)

In my opinion, fans of older Macs will continue to buy the iBooks and iMacs. Maybe fewer people will buy them and prices will go down for a while before they turn into legit antiques and join the ranks of Apple IIs and Color Classics. This would be a good thing for me, as I still want to collect one of every color. :P

Ariii
May 6, 2012, 09:27 PM
Having actually considered an iPad in my search for a temporary laptop replacement, I'd say there's still a place for the PowerPC Macs, but it's a niche market. Do I wish I had bought the iPad? No. Most of my favorite Mac designs are native to the PowerPC years, and even if my iBook G3 (Dual USB) is laggy and takes forever to start up, and the ancient OS X 10.1.5 has very few compatible applications and won't run Facebook or Youtube, I'm glad I bought it. (Though I would have much preferred a G4, or better yet a Blueberry or Tangerine clamshell.)

In my opinion, fans of older Macs will continue to buy the iBooks and iMacs. Maybe fewer people will buy them and prices will go down for a while before they turn into legit antiques and join the ranks of Apple IIs and Color Classics. This would be a good thing for me, as I still want to collect one of every color. :P

I was in the exact same situation when I bought my Clamshell :). I'm not sure the later PowerPC's or any of the Intels will become antiques, though, because more people have started picking up Apples by then. It's true that they can do anything that they could when they were first made, obviously, but people want to do more with their technology, so it eventually makes an upgrade necessary (Also obvious). I, personally, don't really care for the changes in a lot of it, so I'm fine with using older technology, so I guess I might be a niche user. Actually, I was surprised Apple didn't package OS 9 with early versions of OS X, since OS X was really meant to be used along OS 9 a lot due to compatibility issues, etc.

Maybe someday I'll get a tablet, but for now PPC does everything I need and more, no reason to spend good money on something I don't need. And I like the keyboard/mouse(touchpad) interface much better; touchscreens are nice for navigating and whatnot I suppose, but they can become a bit cumbersome after a while, and don't even get me started on how much I despise virtual keyboards.

People buy tablets to mess around on the web and play games, and that's perfectly understandable. (I actually wouldn't mind having an HP Touchpad if I could, just to see what's supposedly so much better about tablets) I personally really only do light web browsing, maybe some medium-sized file downloading tops. Heck, I'm making this very post from a clamshell iBook running OS 9, there really isn't much I need power for. ;)

But, I can't say I would recommend a PPC for someone needing to do YT/Flash based sites. It'll work, but probably not to their satisfaction, whereas I and many of us know the limitations these machines have and make do. Tablets are the future I suppose, but it's nice that PPC is still around and still very useful if you lower your standards slightly and know how to use them.

I think people who would like to use YouTube and Flash a lot might be fine with a PowerPC actually, but only with Linux due to a couple applications that actually run YouTube pretty well. And Flash is starting to be used a lot less, especially with HTML5. I do not understand some web designers' choices with those kind of things, like wanting to have one of those animated, really laggy things just for using links, instead of just using an image. I've actually been using the mobile version of Facebook due to all of the changes to it that are completely slowing everything down. And now, even the mobile version is starting to become heavy-weight.