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lancastor
May 2, 2012, 01:08 PM
It was so easy to navigate in the Finder with the colorful icons. Now all what you see (since Lion) is grey, grey and grey, grey.

Do you want the colored Finder (and iTunes) icons back?



Frozzie
May 2, 2012, 01:12 PM
I prefer grey icons, gives 'uniform' feeling which I personally like better.

But, there should be an option to let users choose which.

GoGa
May 2, 2012, 01:38 PM
I prefer the grey ones, looks more professional and makes the OS sink into the background.

TSE
May 2, 2012, 01:40 PM
I prefer the colored ones. The grey just looks boring and really dulls everything.

Aldaris
May 2, 2012, 01:42 PM
I have had my whole OS grayed since I can remember. I suppose they could leave the option up to the end user though.

InuNacho
May 2, 2012, 02:02 PM
I remember having the Aqua appearance set up in OS 9 because it was at the time the coolest thing ever. It reached it's peak at Tiger (which coincidentally is the best Mac OS ever) and has gone progressively downhill from there.

Give me an option to have color and you have my $30.

heisenberg123
May 2, 2012, 02:13 PM
how about some pictures to better explain what you mean, ive only used a Mac post-lion

Hexiii
May 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
how about some pictures to better explain what you mean, ive only used a Mac post-lion

Same here, could anybody post it? I didn't find it on Google.

InuNacho
May 2, 2012, 02:41 PM
Heres a good one of Tiger. Colors and pretty big icons.
http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14slideshow.png

Mal
May 2, 2012, 04:07 PM
I loved the Leopard look. Much more polished than Tiger, but kept the colors. I'm not a fan of the grey look, and I wish they'd give us back the option. I used to have tons of custom icons, but they don't even show in the sidebar if I set them, so I just haven't bothered in a while.

jW

james948
May 2, 2012, 06:21 PM
Good call. I miss this too.

q64ceo
May 2, 2012, 07:43 PM
I want the translucent style of drop-down menus pre 10.5.2 back. Apple made the menus more opaque when the masses rose up against the lack of choice of having a translucent menubar and forced it all on everyone

jameslmoser
May 3, 2012, 01:09 AM
I don't get why anyone would vote No to this... no ones trying to force you to have color, they are simply wanting the option to get the color back... You could go monochrome or lots of color before if you wanted.... now you can't.

"Oh please Apple, take options away from us!!" :rolleyes:

Doombringer
May 3, 2012, 08:00 AM
UI elements should be unobtrusive. Easily seen, but not garrish... and uniformity is key. I don't mind the colors, but the size of those icons is ridiculous.

I want Apple to decide on a standard for their UI already. They're getting there, but you can still see remnants of previous OS versions floating about... the toolbar in Disk Utility is a good example of this. Colored icons, versus the gray, minimalist icons of, say, Mail or Safari. The iWork apps also have these colored icons, and they look horrible, out-dated.

I hate to say the M word, but Microsoft's 2007+ Office apps demonstrate a better presentation of colored UI icon elements while also maintaining high-quality and uniformity. You may not like them, but at least they don't look like icons from the days of Windows NT.

roadbloc
May 3, 2012, 08:30 AM
Heres a good one of Tiger. Colors and pretty big icons.
Image (http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14slideshow.png)

Best OS X ever. In fact, best OS ever.

GoCubsGo
May 3, 2012, 08:32 AM
I think I liked Leopard most. I would like the colors back but not the clown-like icons found in Tiger. I like the size now, but I wouldn't mind colors.

AliClifton
May 3, 2012, 10:01 AM
I dont see why they couldnt give the user the choice? I seem to remember being able to choose between two distinct themes in Tiger Aqua and Brushed Metal...Or even better all for the creation of custom created user/community UI themes without the need for 3rd party software.

Paradoxally
May 3, 2012, 04:30 PM
Snow Leopard was the best OS for me (then again, I didn't use Tiger, only Leopard). I loved the look and the Aqua scrollbars and elements. Now it's all greyish and horrible after SL. Ugh.

That being said, you CAN get color back with some tweaks. Both in iTunes and Finder.

jameslmoser
May 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
That being said, you CAN get color back with some tweaks. Both in iTunes and Finder.

Unfortunately not without Apple coming along and clobbering them on the next update.

maflynn
May 4, 2012, 09:34 AM
Best OS X ever. In fact, best OS ever.

Agreed, it was less bloated fast and feature complete imo.

Thunderbird
May 4, 2012, 12:54 PM
I dont see why they couldnt give the user the choice?

....Welcome to Apple. :)

InuNacho
May 5, 2012, 01:55 AM
Agreed, it was less bloated fast and feature complete imo.

I'd like to add that it ran wonderfully on 6 year old hardware when it debuted.

swingerofbirch
May 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
I forgot how much easier that 2D dock is to look at until I saw the picture (of Tiger, above). The 3D dock with the icons exposed really blends into background windows. Oh, I miss it all, I want it back! That's a great picture of Tiger.

Cougarcat
May 5, 2012, 04:13 PM
I forgot how much easier that 2D dock is to look at until I saw the picture (of Tiger, above). The 3D dock with the icons exposed really blends into background windows. Oh, I miss it all, I want it back! That's a great picture of Tiger.

You can get the 2D dock back. It's not the same look (rather, the look of the side-dock) but it's much nicer than the 3D one. Enter in terminal:


$ defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES; killall Dock

Yamcha
May 5, 2012, 04:23 PM
I actually prefer the grey icons over the coloured ones..

blow45
May 5, 2012, 06:47 PM
Heres a good one of Tiger. Colors and pretty big icons.
http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14slideshow.png

Tiger looks absolutely lovely and alive. What a misguided idea to say content is highlighted via the grey hell that is os x currently... Ui elements are part of the content because that's what you use to manipulate the content. In some cases they are the content, because when one uses the finder the content is precisely the folders on the side bar. In any case if people want no colour getting in the way of viewing the content (as if anyone has ever complained btw...) why not hide the sidebars or menu bars and/or go full screen.

If greyed out buttons are the way forward, if it's so great about content that os x should look like apple lisa in it's interface (btw the black and white with few shades of grey gfx in lisa made for more clear looking icons than the greyed out hues of os x currently, ironically), and they are so great in highlighting content, how come the recently released ibooks author doesn't have a greyed out tool bar? Isn't ibooks author about content too? Why not grey it out to so one can't tell apart the tool bar?

The answer is simple, it's not about usability, it's about os x branding to make it look like ios, taking ui cues from ios to help apple sell more, it's a marketing and not a ui decision, which is utterly sad. Because ibooks author isn't a staple of os x and not many people will look at it, it can get away with it. Funnily enough, mail on the ipad, has colour cues: inbox (white and blue) sent (white), trash (metallic), and arhive (brown), looking more like something vidid and joyful to use like something out of tiger... on the other hand os x mail doesn't have colour cues!!!!!! If that isn't a sign that some people in os x ui design are in dire confusion, I don't know what is...

In any case, a 67 over 51 vote here is ample evidence that colours should be back, as a universal option at least, when more than half of the users want them after such a long time that the os is out.

Take any good idea that apple has brought to os x and take a poll on it, if it's a really good idea, one worth sticking to, one not worth offering an option for as an alternative, then surely the majority won't be voting against it, surely a 30-70 vote in favour of it will be the case. User's will go, yeah that's pretty good, I got used to it, and it's helping. With grey icons most users go: I got used to it and I don't mind it that much. There's a vast difference there.

At the end of the day, a simple system prefs tick or colour or no colour items comes at no cost and both sides will be happy. Why not then?

Sadly, I think we are at a point where the os x team has so much to answer for in lion that the grey icons have become an ego thing for them to stick to, so they can say, hey at least we didn't change that too.

ps. I am having a hard time focusing on my content in os x btw, I am planning to send feedback to apple to grey out the damn dock too, it's too much for me to focus. :D

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I loved the Leopard look. Much more polished than Tiger, but kept the colors. I'm not a fan of the grey look, and I wish they'd give us back the option. I used to have tons of custom icons, but they don't even show in the sidebar if I set them, so I just haven't bothered in a while.

jW

Same here, tons of custom folder icons on the sidebar... used to make going anywhere a breeze, they 've all reverted back to a generic greyed out folder, and now 20 items on my sidebar appear alike and have me reading to get to them.... they couldn't even keep the custom folder but grey it out instead of reverting to the generic folder look? :o

andrewpturko
May 5, 2012, 08:22 PM
Although I prefer the grey icons/buttons/etc. over the colored, at least give users an option to choose which they prefer in something like the general menu's appearance drop-down:

http://f.cl.ly/items/3N030O2X053Y0a2R1V00/Screen%20Shot%202012-05-05%20at%209.17.13%20PM.png

TSE
May 7, 2012, 06:28 PM
I've used Mac OS X since Panther and I really liked Tiger's UI best, but Snow Leopard isn't that much different. Tiger's icons and color scheme had much more character to it.

I don't see myself upgrading to Lion or Mountain Lion anytime soon from Snow Leopard, one of the many reasons is I cannot stand the grey. It's so boring.

newagemac
May 20, 2012, 12:56 PM
Like many others, I prefer the grey rather than the colors. I prefer the colors and focus to be on my content. The picture I am viewing, the website I am developing, the painting I'm drawing, the webpage I'm reading, and etc. The user interface should disappear and not demand attention away from what the user is actually using the computer for.

I really do like the "content first" direction Apple took Lion. Instead of putting the focus on Apple and their OS, they putting the focus on your own content and documents. The Lion OS itself just fades into the background as it should.

tkermit
May 20, 2012, 01:30 PM
The user interface should disappear and not demand attention away from what the user is actually using the computer for.

I really do like the "content first" direction Apple took Lion. Instead of putting the focus on Apple and their OS, they putting the focus on your own content and documents. The Lion OS itself just fades into the background as it should.

While I tend to generally agree with that (and am mostly fine with the grey icons), folders are arguably "your content" as well. And, to quote John Siracusa (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/15/#finder), the fact that custom icons for folders revert to generic folder icons when you put them in the sidebar
seems a little tyrannical, even for Apple.
;)

Sdreed91
May 20, 2012, 10:00 PM
Like many others, I prefer the grey rather than the colors. I prefer the colors and focus to be on my content. The picture I am viewing, the website I am developing, the painting I'm drawing, the webpage I'm reading, and etc. The user interface should disappear and not demand attention away from what the user is actually using the computer for.

I really do like the "content first" direction Apple took Lion. Instead of putting the focus on Apple and their OS, they putting the focus on your own content and documents. The Lion OS itself just fades into the background as it should.

I agree. For me personally the look of Tiger just has to much going on. But that's just my own feeling. It just honestly for me feels a bit overwhelming. To much color pulling my eyesight all over. The grey is fine by me.

lesterj5
Jul 2, 2012, 08:46 PM
:)I remember having the Aqua appearance set up in OS 9 because it was at the time the coolest thing ever. It reached it's peak at Tiger (which coincidentally is the best Mac OS ever) and has gone progressively downhill from there.

Give me an option to have color and you have my $30.

:) please ,please bring back the color ...I human and humans love color ..
It is the human thing to do .. I am not a machine ................:mad:

blow45
Jul 2, 2012, 08:50 PM
Close to 60% want the colours back...

For not even offering an option to customize this has got to be the single most misguided decision in ui design ever...

I am back on sl leopard on one of my macs, and I AM LOVING EVERY COLORFUL SECOND OF IT, AQUA SCROLL BARS INCLUDED.:D:cool:

Apple bring the damn colours back.

David085
Jul 2, 2012, 09:40 PM
I prefer the grey ones, Don't really care for the old style color ones.

Mr. Retrofire
Jul 3, 2012, 05:32 AM
Give me an option to have color and you have my $30.
$19.99, not $30.


http://images.apple.com/osx/images/overview_hero1_intro.png
.

blow45
Jul 3, 2012, 07:00 AM
$19.99, not $30.


http://images.apple.com/osx/images/overview_hero1_intro.png
.

$49.98 in total, $29.99 for the os and $19.99 for the service pack.

klaxamazoo
Jul 3, 2012, 08:50 AM
I finally gave in and bought Pathfinder mainly for the color icons. It is significantly easier to navigate around now.

Personally, Lion was a pretty expensive OS X upgrade.
$30 for Lion
$50 for BusyCal to replace lost functionality that iCal used to have
$40 for PathFinder to bring back color icons (and gain tab browsing, finally)
$12 for TotalSpaces to bring back Spaces and Expose.

Total cost: $132

blow45
Jul 3, 2012, 09:09 AM
plus $15-20 for ntfs compatibility broken in lion.

hamis92
Jul 3, 2012, 09:27 AM
Like many others, I prefer the grey rather than the colors. I prefer the colors and focus to be on my content. The picture I am viewing, the website I am developing, the painting I'm drawing, the webpage I'm reading, and etc. The user interface should disappear and not demand attention away from what the user is actually using the computer for.

I really do like the "content first" direction Apple took Lion. Instead of putting the focus on Apple and their OS, they putting the focus on your own content and documents. The Lion OS itself just fades into the background as it should.

Perhaps I just don't get it but how is dressing iCal into faux leather or making Address Book look like its real-world counterpart putting "content first"? Same with upcoming Notes app as well as Game Center. If that isn't emphasizing chrome over content I don't know what is.

As much as I agree with you that this "content first" ideology is a great thing, I fail to see how Apple is going into that direction when they are turning their apps into an inconsistent, overly skeuomorphic mess.

Over The Hill
Jul 3, 2012, 09:56 AM
Best OS X ever. In fact, best OS ever.

Quite a ridiculous statement to make.

Ddyracer
Jul 3, 2012, 10:05 AM
I finally gave in and bought Pathfinder mainly for the color icons. It is significantly easier to navigate around now.

Personally, Lion was a pretty expensive OS X upgrade.
$30 for Lion
$50 for BusyCal to replace lost functionality that iCal used to have
$40 for PathFinder to bring back color icons (and gain tab browsing, finally)
$12 for TotalSpaces to bring back Spaces and Expose.

Total cost: $132

You could have saved 22$ and got Totalfinder: http://totalfinder.binaryage.com. Then to get color install this http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/43078/sideeffects/.

roadbloc
Jul 3, 2012, 10:09 AM
Quite a ridiculous statement to make.

Why? It is the OS I have enjoyed the most out of all the OSs I've used over the years. How is it a ridiculous statement exactly?

Over The Hill
Jul 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
Why? It is the OS I have enjoyed the most out of all the OSs I've used over the years. How is it a ridiculous statement exactly?

I didn’t see „in my opinion“ anywhere.

netdog
Jul 3, 2012, 10:45 AM
Apple rarely makes what users say they want and it has worked out okay so far.

klaxamazoo
Jul 3, 2012, 12:06 PM
You could have saved 22$ and got Totalfinder: http://totalfinder.binaryage.com. Then to get color install this http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/43078/sideeffects/.

I tried TotalFinder but there is too much lag on my Macbook Air running Lion. It seems to have a problem with the new drag-n-drop animation.

Side Effects stopped working correctly with 10.7.4. However, I did just reinstall it and followed the new 10.7.4 instructions at the bottom of the Installation Summary detailing how to manually changed the icons back to the color ones supplied by Side Effects. So that is a lot better.

roadbloc
Jul 3, 2012, 02:50 PM
I didn’t see „in my opinion“ anywhere.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize people don't have the ability to tell when a statement is an opinion or fact. I will be sure to make sure I confirm it in bold font in future.

:rolleyes:

hamis92
Jul 3, 2012, 04:25 PM
Apple rarely makes what users say they want and it has worked out okay so far.

True - people slowly stop complaining when they see Apple won't grant their wishes :rolleyes:

charlieegan3
Jul 3, 2012, 04:27 PM
While I prefere the grey ones I think it would be nice to have the option.

blow45
Jul 3, 2012, 05:14 PM
Apple rarely makes what users say they want and it has worked out okay so far.

This is one of the folklore about apple that it's oft repeated and it's of course downright wrong. It's misinterpreting what Job's thought, and Job's didn't think the apple user base was made up of clueless idiots who didn't know what they wanted when using their devices, he thought that the average user didn't have a vision about the future of technology. And he was right of course. As evidenced by 80% of this forum saying what the hell is an ipad for, for months before its launch.

But apple's user base, esp. its dev, scientific, pro and creative user base, not soccer moms and chinese trophy wives (their current focus) has not only known damn well what they want, the 've actually made apple what it is today via their suggestions. Apple has either listened to their requests, or even appropriated ideas floating around to be what it is today. And more than they 'd like to admit of course they've done backflips. They've withdrawn products their user base didn't want and they 've restored options that they initially took away (matte on the mbp 15", orientation lock on the ipad, expose now in ml, etc. etc.) because their users wanted them back.

It's also a matter of whose judgment within apple at any point in apple's history they've been listening to. It certainly didn't turn out alright for apple on the brink of bankruptcy to listen to people within the organization before SJ's return. SJ brought in a lot of very talented people, who's judgment on a lot of choices was right. But several of them have left either before or after his passing, ui talent has left, programmers have gone... It's one thing to listen to the judgment of Bertrand Serlet instead of some user request, and it's another thing to listen to the current os x team. When Jon Ive distances himself on record from their ui design, when he even looks displeased about certain of their choices, that's saying something. And it's not saying something particularly flattering about the os x team. Almost no one who's got an iota of understanding is saying anything really flattering for example about the new look of contacts and calendar, some might not mind so much. This apparently isn't alarming anyone from their os x ui team.

It's one thing when you can say redmond start your photocopiers and rightfully brag about how ms has stolen even the colour scheme of your ical app, it's quite another when people either don't like at all or merely tolerate, and certainly no one's getting excited about your ical ui choices. Apple didn't get to where it is today by having users tolerate their choices, they got their by getting people excited and appreciative of their way of doing things which was much better and more elegant than the competition's. Right now we go oh here's ical looking like the ipad app, ho hum, that's it. They should question their judgment when people go ho hum, and lately they 've going like that for a lot, a lot of their decisions.

And here we are, to focus again on the topic here, talking about color cues, color sidebars and ui elements. A LOT of people have again, and again and again explained why it's a ui crime to take away color cues. At best it will be immaterial to apple, but they are not really going to gain any more users who ll gone go, oh, love the grey circa 1980s sidebar I ll suggest macs to friends.

Why then are they not offering an option?

numbersyx
Jul 3, 2012, 05:19 PM
Agreed, it was less bloated fast and feature complete imo.

Definitely far more stable. No spinning wheel for me then. I actually have no problems with the grey icons...

Nameci
Jul 3, 2012, 05:26 PM
Quite a ridiculous statement to make.

I do agree that it is the best OS ever from apple. Not bloated and fast.

InuNacho
Jul 3, 2012, 06:44 PM
$19.99, not $30.

Ahh ok, I had posted that prior to the price announcement. Still, $20 is too much for features added BACK and still no color or sidebars.

At best it will be immaterial to apple, but they are not really going to gain any more users who ll gone go, oh, love the grey circa 1980s sidebar I ll suggest macs to friends.

I actually would not mind a System 6 theme.

Rychy
Jul 3, 2012, 07:04 PM
I like the grey icons. I'm all for a simple unified look.

Over The Hill
Jul 4, 2012, 03:22 AM
I do agree that it is the best OS ever from apple. Not bloated and fast.

I'm really dying to find out what's that bloat. All i see is people throw his buzzword left and right, but no one backs it up with REAL evidence.

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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize people don't have the ability to tell when a statement is an opinion or fact. I will be sure to make sure I confirm it in bold font in future.

:rolleyes:

Please do so.

mrsir2009
Jul 4, 2012, 04:08 AM
I think aqua's prime time has come and gone... I remember when I switched from OS9 to OSX, the aqua blew me away! It looked SO slick on my iMac G3 after years of grey OS9. However these days it seems to be about a subtle OS, not a colourful one that makes it look like there's water flowing through your loading bars :o

roadbloc
Jul 4, 2012, 04:23 AM
Please do so.

Here is an idea. Why don't you inform everyone else of your new rule to help you determine the clearly hard to tell distinction between fact and opinion, instead of just singling me out. Here, I've even gone to the trouble of making you a list of quotes.

I remember having the Aqua appearance set up in OS 9 because it was at the time the coolest thing ever. It reached it's peak at Tiger (which coincidentally is the best Mac OS ever) and has gone progressively downhill from there.

Give me an option to have color and you have my $30.

Agreed, it was less bloated fast and feature complete imo.

I forgot how much easier that 2D dock is to look at until I saw the picture (of Tiger, above). The 3D dock with the icons exposed really blends into background windows. Oh, I miss it all, I want it back! That's a great picture of Tiger.

Tiger looks absolutely lovely and alive. What a misguided idea to say content is highlighted via the grey hell that is os x currently... Ui elements are part of the content because that's what you use to manipulate the content. In some cases they are the content, because when one uses the finder the content is precisely the folders on the side bar. In any case if people want no colour getting in the way of viewing the content (as if anyone has ever complained btw...) why not hide the sidebars or menu bars and/or go full screen.

I've used Mac OS X since Panther and I really liked Tiger's UI best, but Snow Leopard isn't that much different. Tiger's icons and color scheme had much more character to it.

I don't see myself upgrading to Lion or Mountain Lion anytime soon from Snow Leopard, one of the many reasons is I cannot stand the grey. It's so boring.

Perhaps I just don't get it but how is dressing iCal into faux leather or making Address Book look like its real-world counterpart putting "content first"? Same with upcoming Notes app as well as Game Center. If that isn't emphasizing chrome over content I don't know what is.

As much as I agree with you that this "content first" ideology is a great thing, I fail to see how Apple is going into that direction when they are turning their apps into an inconsistent, overly skeuomorphic mess.

I agree. For me personally the look of Tiger just has to much going on. But that's just my own feeling. It just honestly for me feels a bit overwhelming. To much color pulling my eyesight all over. The grey is fine by me.

Definitely far more stable. No spinning wheel for me then. I actually have no problems with the grey icons...

Now get telling them all that their post is stupid as it is an opinion and not a fact.

innominato5090
Jul 4, 2012, 04:38 AM
I finally gave in and bought Pathfinder mainly for the color icons. It is significantly easier to navigate around now.

what. you clearly know how to waste money. 40$ just for some color on the icons?!

To be clear, pathfinder is an excellent product, but that is definitely not a feature that makes it worth buying :D

Over The Hill
Jul 4, 2012, 05:03 AM
Here is an idea. Why don't you inform everyone else of your new rule to help you determine the clearly hard to tell distinction between fact and opinion, instead of just singling me out. Here, I've even gone to the trouble of making you a list of quotes.

















Now get telling them all that their post is stupid as it is an opinion and not a fact.

Learning the difference i see :p

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I like the grey icons. I'm all for a simple unified look.

I personally don't care that much, i'm fine either way, but judging from the poll numbers i'd say there are people liking it and the numbers are very close, so i'd say all the colour addicts should let others enjoy it too.

diogolg
Jul 4, 2012, 01:22 PM
I don't care about the color/grey icons, what I do care is when I add a folder to the Finder's sidebar and Lion changes it to a default icon, so all my folders have the same icon what makes more difficult to distinguish between then.

blow45
Jul 4, 2012, 02:01 PM
I don't care about the color/grey icons, what I do care is when I add a folder to the Finder's sidebar and Lion changes it to a default icon, so all my folders have the same icon what makes more difficult to distinguish between then.

that's another problem that makes things even worse. Apparently they can't emboss or grey out (boy that would look great btw...) a custom folder on the sidebar so everything reverts to the default folder look. We've had tens of custom folders to tell things apart in the sidebar now besides all being indistinguishably grey they all revert to one look too... Talk about messing up ease of use in their os....

Again I fail to see how a usability issue that at best divides user opinion, with the currently non existent option being the preferable according to the majority, doesn't at least get a system wide option. It seems like someone high up the ui team will not let this go, and seeing as they already had to make a lot of concessions in mountain lion and revert a number of their ui choices, it's become a matter of ego, sadly, to keep some of them. Cause how can you justify your role in ui, if you revert pretty much everything you've suggested?

Drew017
Jul 4, 2012, 04:59 PM
I think the grey ones look better in Lion/ ML and the color ones look good in all previous OS's. The grey seems to fit better in 10.7- 10.8...

just my opinion though :D

OSMac
Jul 4, 2012, 05:07 PM
Apple's Lion looks great, except the fonts are rough on non retina displays.

Windows 8 with its multi-colored blocks does not appeal to me, but it sure has color :)

Think I'll be using OSX and Win 7 for some time.

blow45
Jul 4, 2012, 05:21 PM
Apple's Lion looks great, except the fonts are rough on non retina displays.

Windows 8 with its multi-colored blocks does not appeal to me, but it sure has color :)

Think I'll be using OSX and Win 7 for some time.

very well spotted, indeed the fonts are rough on non retina displays, font comes to its own only on retina in os x. :)

hamis92
Jul 4, 2012, 05:30 PM
I don't care about the color/grey icons, what I do care is when I add a folder to the Finder's sidebar and Lion changes it to a default icon, so all my folders have the same icon what makes more difficult to distinguish between then.

As if not preserving the custom folder icons in sidebar wasn't bad enough, try dragging couple of apps in there and see what happens...

klaxamazoo
Jul 5, 2012, 07:06 AM
what. you clearly know how to waste money. 40$ just for some color on the icons?!

To be clear, pathfinder is an excellent product, but that is definitely not a feature that makes it worth buying :D

I have a low tolerance for things that I find poorly designed. Grey Icons make it harder for me to do something simple and it was annoying every time I accessed Finder.

Now I don't have to access Finder just to be presented with a poor design. Problem solved.

ConfusedBatman
Jul 5, 2012, 03:29 PM
I say, bring that stuff back. One of the main reasons people switch to mac from pc is because of simplicity. And part of the simplicity was the nice, colorful, and inviting aqua interface back in the days of panther and tiger. A big part of OS X is the personality. The aqua, and the welcome videos. Aqua is being phased out. Apple's prime died with Steve.

blow45
Jul 5, 2012, 05:08 PM
I have a low tolerance for things that I find poorly designed. Grey Icons make it harder for me to do something simple and it was annoying every time I accessed Finder.

Now I don't have to access Finder just to be presented with a poor design. Problem solved.

of course they are poorly designed, and the other guy has some nerve to tell you where to spend your money...:rolleyes:

I just wish I could kick the heck out of the finder from the left hand corner of the dock...

TheGdog
Jul 5, 2012, 08:54 PM
Heres a good one of Tiger. Colors and pretty big icons.
Image (http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14slideshow.png)

What I loved about tiger was that is was so simplistic and very light on its feet. Don't get me wrong, I love the elegance of the new OSes, but part of me misses the simplicity.

GermanyChris
Jul 6, 2012, 04:01 PM
This is one of the folklore about apple that it's oft repeated and it's of course downright wrong. It's misinterpreting what Job's thought, and Job's didn't think the apple user base was made up of clueless idiots who didn't know what they wanted when using their devices, he thought that the average user didn't have a vision about the future of technology. And he was right of course. As evidenced by 80% of this forum saying what the hell is an ipad for, for months before its launch.

But apple's user base, esp. its dev, scientific, pro and creative user base, not soccer moms and chinese trophy wives (their current focus) has not only known damn well what they want, the 've actually made apple what it is today via their suggestions. Apple has either listened to their requests, or even appropriated ideas floating around to be what it is today. And more than they 'd like to admit of course they've done backflips. They've withdrawn products their user base didn't want and they 've restored options that they initially took away (matte on the mbp 15", orientation lock on the ipad, expose now in ml, etc. etc.) because their users wanted them back.

It's also a matter of whose judgment within apple at any point in apple's history they've been listening to. It certainly didn't turn out alright for apple on the brink of bankruptcy to listen to people within the organization before SJ's return. SJ brought in a lot of very talented people, who's judgment on a lot of choices was right. But several of them have left either before or after his passing, ui talent has left, programmers have gone... It's one thing to listen to the judgment of Bertrand Serlet instead of some user request, and it's another thing to listen to the current os x team. When Jon Ive distances himself on record from their ui design, when he even looks displeased about certain of their choices, that's saying something. And it's not saying something particularly flattering about the os x team. Almost no one who's got an iota of understanding is saying anything really flattering for example about the new look of contacts and calendar, some might not mind so much. This apparently isn't alarming anyone from their os x ui team.

It's one thing when you can say redmond start your photocopiers and rightfully brag about how ms has stolen even the colour scheme of your ical app, it's quite another when people either don't like at all or merely tolerate, and certainly no one's getting excited about your ical ui choices. Apple didn't get to where it is today by having users tolerate their choices, they got their by getting people excited and appreciative of their way of doing things which was much better and more elegant than the competition's. Right now we go oh here's ical looking like the ipad app, ho hum, that's it. They should question their judgment when people go ho hum, and lately they 've going like that for a lot, a lot of their decisions.

And here we are, to focus again on the topic here, talking about color cues, color sidebars and ui elements. A LOT of people have again, and again and again explained why it's a ui crime to take away color cues. At best it will be immaterial to apple, but they are not really going to gain any more users who ll gone go, oh, love the grey circa 1980s sidebar I ll suggest macs to friends.

Why then are they not offering an option?

If its any consolation we're 3 generations into iPad and I still don't know what they're good for.

blow45
Jul 6, 2012, 04:29 PM
If its any consolation we're 3 generations into iPad and I still don't know what they're good for.

lol!!!:D;)

Major.Robto
Jul 6, 2012, 08:33 PM
I like the gray icons, and they are small, 10.4 was a joke with how big they were.

10.5 made them small but still had them of a mix match of colours.

I like the gray and it looks nice to me.

blow45
Jul 6, 2012, 08:59 PM
I like the gray icons, and they are small, 10.4 was a joke with how big they were.

10.5 made them small but still had them of a mix match of colours.

I like the gray and it looks nice to me.

Do you use the sidebar often though? Wasn't it useful to you when you good quickly go to downloads because you had associated it with a shade of green and it popped out from the rest of the icons? Or the purple for desktop and the blue for music, or any custom sidebar folder with it's own icon? The purpose of the mix match of colours was to tell them apart.

I can understand who someone might like a uniformity in colour, well, in grey, different strokes for different folks after all, but I really find it hard to believe that this doesn't come at the expense of navigating less quickly the sidebar. Since every neurological and ui study I ve read claims that colour cues are much faster for the brain to spot and tell apart than non colour ones.

Major.Robto
Jul 6, 2012, 09:06 PM
I use the bar all the time,

I know what the icon looks like, the colour bothered me more to be honest

also if i need to I can read what its called...

its not hard to read.

bedifferent
Jul 6, 2012, 09:21 PM
but part of me misses the simplicity.

Amen. All this texting, IM'ing, social networking - it's created/ing a generation of anti-social individuals. I'm only 35, and I've seen it tremendously, especially with H.R. departments having difficulty in hiring individuals with reasonable social skills. Technology should be an extension of humanity, not in lieu of humanity.

On the weekends, I make it a rule to avoid as much tech as possible, it's amazing how much of the world is unnoticed when you're buried into your smart phones and notebooks.

Major.Robto
Jul 6, 2012, 09:28 PM
Amen. All this texting, IM'ing, social networking - it's created/ing a generation of anti-social individuals. I'm only 35, and I've seen it tremendously, especially with H.R. departments having difficulty in hiring individuals with reasonable social skills. Technology should be an extension of humanity, not in lieu of humanity.

On the weekends, I make it a rule to avoid as much tech as possible, it's amazing how much of the world is unnoticed when you're buried into your smart phones and notebooks.

I turn my phone off at 6pm, I may be on the web late, but I never go on lame book or this social networking junk, I work on writing and stuff, and do important things to me,

social networking is a waist of time for a software pirate who is also a data horder...yes I hord data...yeah thats a bit of a problem....

I hate my generation, they don't even know what good music is, and all they lissen to is that rap trash. how the hell is that music? or that beaber girl, also who cares about the "stars" in hollywood? it seems ever one but me.... never seen the imortance of staking people online like most kids my age do.

back to the topic...I like finders new looks.

blow45
Jul 6, 2012, 09:46 PM
I use the bar all the time,

I know what the icon looks like, the colour bothered me more to be honest

also if i need to I can read what its called...

its not hard to read.

It isn't but the point of the colour cue is to avoid going that extra step, of course if the colour there bothers you in some way you I can understand how grey is much more preferable to you. :)

In any case that clearly signals to me, once more, how apple should offer a system wide option for this. Such a simple to implement ui choice that splits the users in terms of their preferences shouldn't go without an option. Actually is there's one thing that needs an option it's when users are 50-50% on what they prefer the best, all the more so if one 50% (and here it's the colour side) are vehemently in favour of it and feel it impacts on their work to a great extent.

Sadly, like I ve said before, this is clearly an ego thing for some ui designer here. It's not the same as ical or contacts gaining the ios look that people complain about that could be put down to marketing, and, although i don't believe so, one could claim it will lead to more mac sales. It's not the matte vs. glass issue where the choice was harder to implement at no cost or to no strong visual impact on the macs. It's not something even that gives some particular type of branding or look about os x.

There's hardly any reason why the user shouldn't be able to select if they do want colour in the sidebars (or for that matter on the dreadful monochrome icons in mail, safari etc.) or not. People are going to the lengths of installing a system hack that impacts the performance on their machines to get colour on their mac (and hopefully sandboxing via the app store and the like, won't kill simbl...), that means a lot of people (myself included) really do need it, not just want it.

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Amen. All this texting, IM'ing, social networking - it's created/ing a generation of anti-social individuals. I'm only 35, and I've seen it tremendously, especially with H.R. departments having difficulty in hiring individuals with reasonable social skills. Technology should be an extension of humanity, not in lieu of humanity.

On the weekends, I make it a rule to avoid as much tech as possible, it's amazing how much of the world is unnoticed when you're buried into your smart phones and notebooks.

amen to that. I will have to follow your rule. I done tech free weeks before, but it's not easy, whoever claims there isnt an element of addiction there are simply lying to themselves. I ditched my iphone for this very reason for the crappiest phone one could own. Such freedom to not have to google things up, or compulsively check emails. I m 33 btw, you don't know how many times I 've been at a waiting room, or in a doctors office and I wanted to flirt with a girl and she wouldn't let here eyes off the phone. It's kinda sad the world we leave in when a girl is texting her friend on facebook and is avoiding what's happening here and now in the real world.

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I turn my phone off at 6pm, I may be on the web late, but I never go on lame book or this social networking junk, I work on writing and stuff, and do important things to me,

social networking is a waist of time for a software pirate who is also a data horder...yes I hord data...yeah thats a bit of a problem....

I hate my generation, they don't even know what good music is, and all they lissen to is that rap trash. how the hell is that music? or that beaber girl, also who cares about the "stars" in hollywood? it seems ever one but me.... never seen the important of staking people online like most kids my age do.

back to the topic...I like finders new looks.
I hate most current music too, and I hoard data like crazy. The house might look clean and tidy with less stuff than most, but boy are these hard drives full with whatever piece of knowledge or entertainment I can get my hands on.

TheGdog
Jul 6, 2012, 09:58 PM
Amen. All this texting, IM'ing, social networking - it's created/ing a generation of anti-social individuals. I'm only 35, and I've seen it tremendously, especially with H.R. departments having difficulty in hiring individuals with reasonable social skills. Technology should be an extension of humanity, not in lieu of humanity.

On the weekends, I make it a rule to avoid as much tech as possible, it's amazing how much of the world is unnoticed when you're buried into your smart phones and notebooks.

I agree! As much and as enjoy and work with technology (its 99% of my job) nothing beats time with friends, family and coworkers. People are what make my week enjoyable, not stuff.

I do find it hard to spend time away from technology sometimes, after all I enjoy it. But I often have to tell myself to put down the phone when I am at lunch with people or close the computer when others are talking to me. its hard for sure, but worth it!.

roadbloc
Jul 6, 2012, 11:17 PM
Learning the difference i see :p

Since you are the only poster here who failed to identify that my post was opinion based, I'd say you were the one who needs to learn the difference.

Major.Robto
Jul 7, 2012, 08:45 AM
I hate most current music too, and I hoard data like crazy. The house might look clean and tidy with less stuff than most, but boy are these hard drives full with whatever piece of knowledge or entertainment I can get my hands on.

Yeah, I am in the need of a Fourth hard-rive and need a fifth just because I don't have a timecapsoul drive running yet.


My room is super clean also, so well, I doubt we would be eligible for that show hoarders as they don't take on people with mass amounts of data....God reality tv sucks....

Well, I'm going back to my pinkfloyd
also, I know this is way off topic

WhackyNinja
Jul 7, 2012, 11:58 AM
Im a new Mac user, and I started with Lion. So I've never had Mac OS X with the colored icons on the side bar but I will love to see them come back

Vorlox
Jul 8, 2012, 06:51 PM
I want them back, but you know apple :( OS X will never look as good a it did in tiger, it's still pretty, It''s just not the same!

http://www.fayp.com/vi-K6gFJm.png

JDrive
Jul 8, 2012, 07:34 PM
I migrated to Mac from Windows during the tiger era with a Powerbook G4. I really miss the colorful, "lickable" look of Aqua. Even then, Tiger was more Aqua conservative than 10.2 and earlier when OS X made heavy use of pinstriped titlebars and window backgrounds. I do like the direction apple took with the soft grey windows, but I am kind of worried about the use of monochrome icons. I understand that Apple wants OS X to look and feel more like iOS, but these icons do make it harder to distinguish between different places in Finder.

macdatadrive
Jul 8, 2012, 08:21 PM
IMHO, I quite like the grey icons. I think some colour is good, but Lion is becoming more refined. I do think though that Apple should give us a choice on whether we want colour or not.
I must say though, there are little touches of colour is you just look around ;D

blow45
Jul 8, 2012, 08:37 PM
I migrated to Mac from Windows during the tiger era with a Powerbook G4. I really miss the colorful, "lickable" look of Aqua. Even then, Tiger was more Aqua conservative than 10.2 and earlier when OS X made heavy use of pinstriped titlebars and window backgrounds. I do like the direction apple took with the soft grey windows, but I am kind of worried about the use of monochrome icons. I understand that Apple wants OS X to look and feel more like iOS, but these icons do make it harder to distinguish between different places in Finder.

the funny thing is that despite this looking like ios myth that's been repeated by apple fanbois (and I don't mean you of course goes without saying, I mean the archetypical fanboi who ll first criticize god himself than apple) is not even accuate. Sidebars in settings and in mail for example are all very, very colourful indeed so users can distinguish between the options!!!!!!

Yes the some icons are monochrome but ios doesn't rely really so much on icons for the interface. Even some of apple's own recently released apps when they want to make them pretty usable (and not joke ios looking apps like calendar and contacts) they use a lot of colour in their icons, such as ibooks author! This is probably their most recent os x app and it's relief that it didn't go down that grey hell path.

So I guess there are two sets of mentalities in apple, one is marketing: make ical and contacts look like ios, even if ical shows much less info, even if it looks like something to be touched but there's no touch interface on the mac and the other is make ibooks author have vivid colour cues cause if we grey it out no one will be adopting it for use. All that is very sad of course because it clearly shows a lack of leadership in os x.

The nasty thing that's happening is that some of the devs have taken this monochrome cue and are crapping up on app after the other. Boy will it look great when most of our apps will have a grey bar on top, with all grey icons...ugghhhh:rolleyes:

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IMHO, I quite like the grey icons. I think some colour is good, but Lion is becoming more refined. I do think though that Apple should give us a choice on whether we want colour or not.
I must say though, there are little touches of colour is you just look around ;D

They should grey out the dock while they are at it, so instead of the os looking like mismatched crap, it will look like matching crap :D, who needs colour cues anyway shapes are easier to tell apart (:rolleyes:)

innominato5090
Jul 9, 2012, 04:57 PM
of course they are poorly designed, and the other guy has some nerve to tell you where to spend your money...:rolleyes:

I just wish I could kick the heck out of the finder from the left hand corner of the dock...

it's not a poor design: their bright colors used to distract the user from the main content of the window, i.e. the user's files.

I found the grey user a big improvement!

Cougarcat
Jul 9, 2012, 05:14 PM
it's not a poor design: their bright colors used to distract the user from the main content of the window, i.e. the user's files.

I found the grey user a big improvement!

The problem with that logic is that the sidebar is my content.

blow45
Jul 9, 2012, 06:48 PM
The problem with that logic is that the sidebar is my content.

Exactly, I 've been pointing this out too. :)

innominato5090
Jul 10, 2012, 06:53 AM
The problem with that logic is that the sidebar is my content.

the sidebar is not the main content in a finder window tho. everything in the application UI suggests it (subtle colors, smaller text and icons, etc.)

oneMadRssn
Jul 31, 2012, 04:21 PM
Then to get color install this http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/43078/sideeffects/

Just tried this on the released 10.8. Worked perfectly, and it's so much better than the grey icons.

Ddyracer
Jul 31, 2012, 05:22 PM
Just tried this on the released 10.8. Worked perfectly, and it's so much better than the grey icons.

It is better. Unfortunatley, it isnt fully colored like it is in SL. Opening finder dialog boxes windows doesn't support color.

bcasey25raptor
Jul 31, 2012, 05:36 PM
I'm new to apple (as in i have only had a mac for 4 months) but i have't really noticed enough to care. It still looks way better then any windows interface. However i do like color and it is unfortunate apple took that out.

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