New Powerbooks and iBooks Next Tuesday?

[Mood]

I created this thread because those in the ibook thread wouldn't let us gloat about new powerbooks and whatever they may be (like new form factor?!?!?!, speed updates, lower prices, faster bus, dvd, backlights for 12 inch, xenographing on 17 inch laptops, etc)


For Valdemort!!!!!!

[VanMac]

Ya, Baby. That's what I''m buying....New PB and Jam :D

[dadio2002]

Well I should have one soon once I decide to get one with all the updates coming and all.

[dmw007]

Can not wait for new PowerBooks.
Heres to hoping that they come out soon. :D

[bbarnhart]

You PowerBook waiters can just sit and wait. The iBooks will be updated first.


Member of the iBook Waiter Club

[bodeh6]

Any chance that they will be updated before Cram and Jam is up? MacWorld Boston is next Tuesday. They can announce both the iBook update and the PowerBook update. The PB is nearing the 6 month mark and I think that computer manufacturers should update there products at least every 6 months.

[Mood]

the powerbook is their baby, they will definitely update this next tuesday at macworld boston

CHUG BABY CHUG CHUG MORE MHZ BABY CHUG THOSE MHZ NOW

(That's why the powerpc chips were discontinued and changed to the pentiums because our apple computers had an overdose of powerpc, so now they gotta switch to pentium to get a high. Pentium - its like Apple except on crack)

[bodeh6]

I mean it would only make sense for Apple to update both lines before school starts. If they update both around late July/Early August that will be great for back to school.

[sacear]

Yeah, Baby. That's what I just bo't....New PB and ACD (and iPod mini, of course!). Ordered online yesterday afternoon, it all arrived today, 24 hours later, 4:45 PM (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1577948#post1577948), in my hands! :eek:

Damn, I am impressed! :D

[sw1tcher]

the powerbook is their baby, they will definitely update this next tuesday at macworld boston

CHUG BABY CHUG CHUG MORE MHZ BABY CHUG THOSE MHZ NOW

(That's why the powerpc chips were discontinued and changed to the pentiums because our apple computers had an overdose of powerpc, so now they gotta switch to pentium to get a high. Pentium - its like Apple except on crack)

Not going to happen. The PB probably won't see an update until MW Paris at the earliest based on their new 8-9 month update cycle. When was the last time Apple announced a new product or update at MW Boston? Have they ever? I can't seem to remember.

[Hattig]

12" PowerBook £1,049.00 (£892.77 ex VAT)

1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 memory
60GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX GO 5200 (64MB DDR)
Full size Keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
2 USB 2
Mini-DVI out

Ships with Tiger

vs 12" iBook with various upgrades to match closer:
£824.00 (£701.28 ex VAT)

1.2GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR266 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (32MB)
DVD/CD-RW
Bluetooth Module
AirPort Extreme Card
Two USB ports
One FireWire port

So for £225 pounds you get 300MHz, a barely better graphics card and miniDVI. Less battery life apparently? Less rugged?

And that's with Apple's pricing on upgrades. I could get a 1GB SoDIMM from Crucial instead of the Apple 256MB DIMM for just £88 (or get 256MB for £20). I could get my own much faster hard drive. Do I need bluetooth?

I'm sorry Apple, but I don't think that it is worth it at the moment.

[Jschultz]

12" PowerBook £1,049.00 (£892.77 ex VAT)

1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 memory
60GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX GO 5200 (64MB DDR)
Full size Keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
2 USB 2
Mini-DVI out

Ships with Tiger

vs 12" iBook with various upgrades to match closer:
£824.00 (£701.28 ex VAT)

1.2GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR266 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (32MB)
DVD/CD-RW
Bluetooth Module
AirPort Extreme Card
Two USB ports
One FireWire port

So for £225 pounds you get 300MHz, a barely better graphics card and miniDVI. Less battery life apparently? Less rugged?

And that's with Apple's pricing on upgrades. I could get a 1GB SoDIMM from Crucial instead of the Apple 256MB DIMM for just £88 (or get 256MB for £20). I could get my own much faster hard drive. Do I need bluetooth?

I'm sorry Apple, but I don't think that it is worth it at the moment.

Don't forget the much faster, blazing 5400 rpm hard drive! ;)

[gamestriker]

Alright, welcome to the club! You are going to love your PowerBook!

Yeah! That's the spirit. That is what I did two days ago. Simply just decided to stop waiting and went ahead and bought myself a new PowerBook.

I ordered the thing Wednesday afternoon and it was delivered to me 24 hours later on Thursday. I could not believe that. I was amazed and blown away!

My new PowerBook is amazing too. It is sooooo sweet. It is so much better than I expected. You are going to love yours.


Definitely.

I love my PowerBook. I was going to wait for an iBook update but when the PowerBooks go updated, I said screw it, and went with a PowerBook and I never looked back.

[iMacSE500]

Not going to happen. The PB probably won't see an update until MW Paris at the earliest based on their new 8-9 month update cycle. When was the last time Apple announced a new product or update at MW Boston? Have they ever? I can't seem to remember.
Any predictions about what that update will include? G5? HD? 2.0 Ghz? Standard 2GB of RAM? Now i am just making stuff up. :D

[QCassidy352]

I wouldn't necessarily look to Paris for updates unless they are major ones. Since when does apple announce minor speed bumps and the like at major expos?

[arm]

I wouldn't necessarily look to Paris for updates unless they are major ones. Since when does apple announce minor speed bumps and the like at major expos?I think that Apple announces minor speed bump ups on their own website and with a press release. Those really are not keynote or media event material.

[James Philp]

Bear in mind that the PB line is likely the first to be switched to pentiums for the simple reason that the G4 chip simply cannot keep up and it was obviously impossible to get the G5 working in a laptop.

Steve jobs said that Pentium-based macs would be out in a year or so from the WWDC (and a complete transition - i.e. the PMs - in 2 years).

So that means that in 11 months from now(ish) PB Macintels are likely to be announced/rolled out. I wouldn't hold out for a major PB upgrade in the mean time If I were you! Apple are probably hard at work getting the Pentium hardware/software together right now for that date.

Don't expect much from Boston (as has been said before) or Paris on the Mac front. iPod however - may be a different story.

Personally I'm just going to sit tight right now and wait for the Macintels to start rolling out.

[mtbikex]

I ordered a 17" g4 powerbook a couple of nights ago. It's not supposed to ship until the 13th, and now its tagged in the Order Status as "Replaced with New Product"...could this be an updated powerbook or just something insignificant???

[gamestriker]

That seems to have been happening to lots of people randomly. I'd just assume its a glitch until apple announces something.

And I think there will be an in-between update with the PowerBook. They can't go without it if they want to keep sales up. What the update will be, I can't tell. It could be a G5 for all we know, because of IBMs new low power 970FX (though its unlikely because that we go against Jobs's reasons for going Intel). Or we may just see another speed bump, though I don't know how they could make it better.

And plus if they plan to update iBook, they'll have to update the PowerBook.

[spellflower]

Okay all you powerbookers, I see that your thread is taking its time catching on, so I thought I'd help out. I just posted this in the ibook thread, and so I'm posting it here to get your side of the story.

I cant' really afford a pb, but let's pretend I could. I seem to recall reading that powerbooks were less durable, had poorer battery life, and worse airport reception than ibooks. If powerbooks were in every way vastly superior to ibooks, I'd be tempted to just go ahead and max out the ol' credit card and buy one. But I'm sure as hell not going to do that if it means paying $500 to get a machine that runs a abit quicker and has some nifty features, but doesn't do the things that I need it to do most (surf the internet in my back yard so I can do research and write papers outside).

CAR ANALOGY WARNING! THE FOLLOWING TEXT CONTAINS CAR ANALOGIES!

ibook = older Japanese car, does everything you need it to do with very little trouble, and gets great gas mileage; powerbook = fancy italian sports car, goes really fast, handles like a dream, but sacrifices fuel economy and reliability.

So, since you all are so convinced that powerbooks are so great, tell me why. I've never owned either an ibook or pb, but I want to learn all I can. Does anyone have any realworld experience with both in terms of battery and airport? Is there something I don't know? Illuminate me, oh powerful ones!

[sacear]

Okay all you powerbookers, I see that your thread is taking its time catching on, so I thought I'd help out. I just posted this in the ibook thread, and so I'm posting it here to get your side of the story.

I cant' really afford a pb, but let's pretend I could. I seem to recall reading that powerbooks were less durable, had poorer battery life, and worse airport reception than ibooks. If powerbooks were in every way vastly superior to ibooks, I'd be tempted to just go ahead and max out the ol' credit card and buy one. But I'm sure as hell not going to do that if it means paying $500 to get a machine that runs a abit quicker and has some nifty features, but doesn't do the things that I need it to do most (surf the internet in my back yard so I can do research and write papers outside).

CAR ANALOGY WARNING! THE FOLLOWING TEXT CONTAINS CAR ANALOGIES!

ibook = older Japanese car, does everything you need it to do with very little trouble, and gets great gas mileage; powerbook = fancy italian sports car, goes really fast, handles like a dream, but sacrifices fuel economy and reliability.

So, since you all are so convinced that powerbooks are so great, tell me why. I've never owned either an ibook or pb, but I want to learn all I can. Does anyone have any realworld experience with both in terms of battery and airport? Is there something I don't know? Illuminate me, oh powerful ones!I have owned several various PowerBooks over the years (PB 100, PB 180, PB G3 Firewire (Pismo), PB G4), and today's iBook is essentially very similar to the PowerBook G3 Firewire (Pismo), with an G4 CPU, a different colored case, and other minor parts upgrades. The PB G3 Firewire (Pismo) has a black plastic and rubber case which I prefer much more than the Aluminum of current PBs and the white plastic of the iBooks.

The battery (new) in my PB G4 lasts longer than the battery (new) in my PB G3. Battery technology has improved greatly, so I expect that an iBook ought to have better battery performance than the PowerBook because it has less power demands. I am curious to do a one-on-one comparison. If someone with an iBook wants to compare, then please let me know. We can come up with a series of tasks to see how long a fully charged battery lasts on each machine. I know I am getting around five hours from a fully charged battery on my PB G4 doing just normal tasks: surfing the 'net, iTunes, watching DVD, etc. :)

I knew the Airport performance on my PB G3 Firewire (Pismo) was excellent compared to others' Wintel laptops, but didn't realize how excellent until I got the PB G4. The PB G3 Firewire (Pismo) with an original Airport card has easily ten times better wireless reception both in distance and strength than my new PB G4 with an Airport Extreme card. I can take my PB G3 Firewire (Pismo) anywhere around my house inside or outside and get very good wireless signal. With my new PB G4 I essentially must be in the same room as the wireless transmitter. That really makes me mad, because what's the point of wireless if I can't be mobile? :mad:

So that is my experience with those machines. :cool:

[sacear]

I ordered a 17" g4 powerbook a couple of nights ago. It's not supposed to ship until the 13th, and now its tagged in the Order Status as "Replaced with New Product"...could this be an updated powerbook or just something insignificant???Did you get any BTO options?

Ordering BTO options is what usually triggers the "Replaced with New Product" message. The order enters the system as a stock machine and then gets "Replaced with New Product," your custom BTO machine. :)

I think you must have ordered BTO options because I bought a 17" PB G4 last week and it arrived at my house 24 hours after I ordered it! :D

[bodeh6]

Apple only has 24 more days till it hits the Buyers guide average of 185 days or 6 months. Unless they pull an iBook right now (100+ days/3+ Months over average), we should see PowerBooks update near the end of July/early August. Personally I am waiting till mid September to switch. If it still did not update by then, I am still going to buy a 12" PB because the current revision is excellent for my needs and I want a free iPod Mini. :)

[mtbikex]

Did you get any BTO options?

Ordering BTO options is what usually triggers the "Replaced with New Product" message. The order enters the system as a stock machine and then gets "Replaced with New Product," your custom BTO machine. :)

I think you must have ordered BTO options because I bought a 17" PB G4 last week and it arrived at my house 24 hours after I ordered it! :D

yeah i did order a BTO, just upgraded the RAM to 1 gig ... and it shipped today from China

[Sam I Am]

Who's giving away iPod mini's with a PB purchase?
The Apple Education Store.

[pumbaa]

The Apple Education Store.


thanks. that rules me out. :(

[Peter Griffin]

I'm going to buy whichever one gets updated first (more bang for the buck). I can only hold off till the end of July though :( The current iBooks are great for my needs but I just hate purchasing outdated hardware.

[sacear]

yeah i did order a BTO, just upgraded the RAM to 1 gig ... and it shipped today from ChinaWhat's the ETA?

Let me know when you get your PB G4. I want to ask you some questions and see if we're getting the same performance.

[kmaisch]

*phew* (having just ordered a 17" powerbook) :)

[mtbikex]

What's the ETA?

Let me know when you get your PB G4. I want to ask you some questions and see if we're getting the same performance.

i'm hoping to get it on thursday or friday, shipped from china on the 11th, but hasn't given me an expected delivery date yet. But yea, i'll gladly answer a few questions about performance for ya.

[mtbikex]

*phew* (having just ordered a 17" powerbook) :)

yea those are my exact thoughts

[weg]

but doesn't do the things that I need it to do most (surf the internet in my back yard so I can do research and write papers outside).


Outside and Apple Notebooks don't go together well, anyway (unless you work at night in the moonlight - coz as long as they don't use better displays for their Notebooks there's no chance to see anything at all as soon as the sun is shining directly onto your display).

[weg]

thanks. that rules me out. :(

Don't tell me you don't know anybody who is still a student or works at a school and doesn't need a new Powerbook or iBook ;-)

[sacear]

*phew* (having just ordered a 17" powerbook) :)kmaisch:

What's the ETA of delivery of your PB?

When you get your PB, if you don't mind, I want to ask you some questions and see if we're getting the same performance. Please, let me know when you get your PB.

TIA.

check out this thread: PowerBook 17-inch (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=137423)

[bemylover]

i am going to order 15" PB right now, so will i be able to return it and order new one if it comes out next tuesday or tuesday after that?

if i buy one now and there will be a new one in a week i will have to commit suicide and i really don't want to do that, so please tell me that i can :)

[sacear]

i am going to order 15" PB right now, so will i be able to return it and order new one if it comes out next tuesday or tuesday after that?

if i buy one now and there will be a new one in a week i will have to commit suicide and i really don't want to do that, so please tell me that i can :)I think you are safe ordering today. I just ordered and received a PowerBook last week.

I honestly think all 'Book updates are coming in September, probably a bit after Apple Expo Paris. That's just my opinion from the clues I have gathered.

If you order a stock machine (no BTO options) you have 14 days to return it for refund. BTOs are only returnable for warranty type problems. If you are really worried, then don't open the box for 14 days. Once the box is opened, then you have to pay a re-stocking fee. However, I didn't worry about it, and I think you don't have to either.

The next updates are going to be very small anyway, so is it worth wasting all this time waiting for a very small update? That is what I asked myself and the answer was no, so I ordered it and moved on with my life. Let me tell you, I am very glad I did. That whole waiting thing is off my shoulders, I am using my new PowerBook instead of waiting and dreaming, and I absolutely love my new PowerBook. :D

[bodeh6]

Any chance that in the upcoming revision of the Powerbook that the 12" will come with 512MB built in instead of 256MB built in and 256MB in the memory slot? Seems like a waste having a 256MB stick occupying the only memory slot. 512MB built in would allow it to be upgrade to 1.5 GB with no problem and leave the memory slot free to put what ever you want in there.

[dmw007]

Any chance that in the upcoming revision of the Powerbook that the 12" will come with 512MB built in instead of 256MB built in and 256MB in the memory slot? Seems like a waste having a 256MB stick occupying the only memory slot. 512MB built in would allow it to be upgrade to 1.5 GB with no problem and leave the memory slot free to put what ever you want in there.

Seems likely- I mean, having that 256MB chip built in the Power Book G4 is a waste (needs to be at least 512MB). Hopefully Apple ups the amount of RAM you can put into the 12" Power Book at least 1.5GB (2GB, preferred.)

[CoMpX]

Seems likely- I mean, having that 256MB chip built in the Power Book G4 is a waste (needs to be at least 512MB). Hopefully Apple ups the amount of RAM you can put into the 12" Power Book at least 1.5GB (2GB, preferred.)

I agree. The same should be true for iBooks too, or maybe with less than a 2GB maximum. Either way, both 'Book lines should definetly come with 512MB RAM standard. You REALLY need at least 512MB to run Tiger comfortably.

[evolutioneight]

Unfortunately I don't think we're gonna see new laptops for a while yet. According to the conference call today everything seems to be selling very well. With good sales what incentive is there to release new machines? Please someone tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Willy S]

So Steve want the PCs to fry the Apples in terms of speed, laptop screens etc? Apple laptop buyers are bying taken in by the salesman! Yea, and I hate Windows!

The message is: if you want a mac laptop, you either must buy a slow and outdated computer or you have to pay rediculous amounts for Powerbooks.

[Dynamyk]

I can only wait till mid August before school starts and plus I want to catch the Ipod Mini deal so I'm hoping and praying it happens sometime in the next few weeks so I don't get screwed over.

Does anyone know if Apple has a return policy if the new book comes out, say, 2 weeks after you purchase your original model, they will exchange yours for the newer book?

[ITASOR]

Didn't want to start a new thread and get it locked, but I have a good question.

What do you all estimate to be the prices of the new iBooks. Do you think Apple and authorized resellers will offer huge deals on the present iBook once the new ones come out? Like $700 :eek:

[bodeh6]

I can only wait till mid August before school starts and plus I want to catch the Ipod Mini deal so I'm hoping and praying it happens sometime in the next few weeks so I don't get screwed over.

Does anyone know if Apple has a return policy if the new book comes out, say, 2 weeks after you purchase your original model, they will exchange yours for the newer book?

Seeing how the Powerbook will hit the average at the end of July/Early August, Apple must update both books for the new school year.

[Alasta]

Didn't want to start a new thread and get it locked, but I have a good question.

What do you all estimate to be the prices of the new iBooks. Do you think Apple and authorized resellers will offer huge deals on the present iBook once the new ones come out? Like $700 :eek:

I can't see them doing anything quite like that, but I do believe that a price drop will be a feature of the new model. LCD costs are rapidly dropping, and many others on this forum have rightly pointed out that the price gap between PC and Macintosh notebooks is now very significant.

The other possiblity is that the price will stay the same, but Superdrive will become a standard feature on all models. Thoughts, anyone?

[zflauaus]

I can't see them doing anything quite like that, but I do believe that a price drop will be a feature of the new model. LCD costs are rapidly dropping, and many others on this forum have rightly pointed out that the price gap between PC and Macintosh notebooks is now very significant.

The other possiblity is that the price will stay the same, but Superdrive will become a standard feature on all models. Thoughts, anyone?

I think the Superdrive should be standard on everything but the base model(s). If the 12" Powerbook can have one, why can't the 12" iBook have one?

[broncoball]

I am thinking about getting a new Powerbook in September for school and was wondering if it will be updated by then or should i wait longer till the update comes out?

[Zukatah]

I'm pretty certain that an update is imminent, I just ordered a 12" iBook because I need it right now, not in two months! Anyway, I ordered it with another 1gb stick of ram from Crucial, a sleeve from Shinza, a 20gb iPod and I chose to get a 60gb HDD and bluetooth with my laptop. This is going to be my first Mac ever, I used to hate them so much (until the G4, never tried a G4 or later) but looking at the market right now for a good 12" laptop that fits my needs as a graduate student who already has a powerful computer at home, I can't find a sweeter deal elsewhere. I'm not looking for an ultra-fast computer loaded with features, I was looking for a small, highly portable laptop that I could take some notes in class with it, that I could write papers on, that was durable, well built and that would last me for at least 2 years. Simply, there's no PC laptop that I could find that match my needs better than the iBook, at least in my budget. I know they are getting pretty outdated by now but they still can do pretty much everything you throw at it (except Coreimage and some games), is still a very capable laptop with a good battery life, a good keyboard and long lasting...

If you're looking for specs, look elsewhere as Apple is getting crushed by the PC market but when you look at what you want it to do, there's no reason not to pick one! I would have liked to have it updated, especially the HDD and having bluetooth with it, a 256mb increase in ram would probably be in the only available slot of RAM anyway but it didn't stop me from buying it, it's a tad more expensive but still a heck better than a 700m for example!

Now I'm waiting for it then I'll have to learn how OSX works after about 15 years of using DOS/Windows.... that'll be the hard part I fear!

[tsk]

Any predictions about what that update will include? G5? HD? 2.0 Ghz? Standard 2GB of RAM? Now i am just making stuff up. :D

Please, please, don't ever mention a G5 PB again. We've finally gotten rid of the "G5 PB Next Tuesday" threads. There will never be a G5 PB.

Apple is going to Intel. There is no way they are going to shoehorn a G5 in before they go to intel. First off, it's too big of a challenge, but how can they go to 64 bit, and then go to a 32 bit Intel Pentium M.

Not going to happen.

[rtrout]

Well.. Tuesday has come and gone (per someone else's rumor). I was hoping there would be an announcement of new IBooks in conjunction with Mac show in Boston.

Now what? I need to buy an ibook for my daughter for college in the Fall and time is running out.

Anyone have any clues?? I'm amazed there hasn't been any speed bump or improvement since Oct 2004. And they still ship with a meager 256k ram.

Help! Any advice or insight?

[mad jew]

And they still ship with a meager 256k ram.

Help! Any advice or insight?


Umm... At last check it was 256MB of RAM. ;)

My advice: buy whatever iBook is out just before college. Even if it's the current machine, it'll be a great purchase. They're still very cool machines and for most college uses, a 1.2GHz G4 is fine. :)

[weg]

Umm... At last check it was 256MB of RAM. ;)


Yeah, but that's actually an advantage. Means you can buy more RAM from crucial, instead of paying Apple's premium prices...

[Mechcozmo]

Yeah, but that's actually an advantage. Means you can buy more RAM from crucial, instead of paying Apple's premium prices...

Except that when Apple made 512MB the default, prices dropped some. And with only 1 SO-DIMM slot, you want all the internal RAM you can get.

[djkny]

no updates, anytime soon. Laugable, for sure.
Then again, why are we surprised? Apple's about the green. Design, innovation, etc. is all marketing glib.

All about the green. That's the mantra. Customers can wait it out and feed more $$ into the insatiable Jobstown cult and get pseudo anointed outdated portables.

[deetschei]

no updates, anytime soon. Laugable, for sure.
Then again, why are we surprised? Apple's about the green. Design, innovation, etc. is all marketing glib.

All about the green. That's the mantra. Customers can wait it out and feed more $$ into the insatiable Jobstown cult and get pseudo anointed outdated portables.

wait a second...what multinational corporation is not about the "green"? that brand "apple" belongs to a company...its not anyone's best friend. Besides, better Jobstown than Gatestown.

[djkny]

wait a second...what multinational corporation is not about the "green"? that brand "apple" belongs to a company...its not anyone's best friend. Besides, better Jobstown than Gatestown.

true. better kool-aid than "power"-ade.

[zagato27]

Well.. Tuesday has come and gone (per someone else's rumor). I was hoping there would be an announcement of new IBooks in conjunction with Mac show in Boston.

Now what? I need to buy an ibook for my daughter for college in the Fall and time is running out.

Anyone have any clues?? I'm amazed there hasn't been any speed bump or improvement since Oct 2004. And they still ship with a meager 256k ram.

Help! Any advice or insight?

I feel your pain. Same situation. Went to the Apple store in Alpharetta, GA. To heck with my daughter going to college. I wanted to walk out with a 15" PB. Oh the pain. Here's hoping for an updated iBook SOOON. End of Jul is my drop dead date.

[evolutioneight]

To heck with my daughter going to college. I wanted to walk out with a 15" PB.

LOL, that was pretty funny, but it would have been even better like this:

To hell with my daughter's operation. I walked out with a 15" PB, a dual 2.7 and a 30 incher.

sorry, i kid

[treblah]

Well.. Tuesday has come and gone (per someone else's rumor). I was hoping there would be an announcement of new IBooks in conjunction with Mac show in Boston.

Now what? I need to buy an ibook for my daughter for college in the Fall and time is running out.

Anyone have any clues?? I'm amazed there hasn't been any speed bump or improvement since Oct 2004. And they still ship with a meager 256k ram.

Help! Any advice or insight?

As a college student who is still using the iBook my parents bought me the day before I left for school, I can say without a doubt your daughter does not need anything more than the current iBook and 512MB of RAM. I use a 700MHz G3 with 384MB of RAM everyday. I can connect to any WiFi spot with my original AirPort Card. I can run Office, Safari, Mail, iTunes, and iChat without a single problem. My iPod works fine with it and my digital camera with iPhoto is great. Is it Teh Snappy? No. Is it fine for most college kids needs? Absolutely. What program exactly does your daughter need to run that needs the power you are waiting for?

[solvs]

So Steve want the PCs to fry the Apples in terms of speed, laptop screens etc? Apple laptop buyers are bying taken in by the salesman!
Yeah! They should switch to a different processor or something. ;)

[mjstew33]

Anyone had screen problems with the iBook?

[rtrout]

As a college student who is still using the iBook my parents bought me the day before I left for school, I can say without a doubt your daughter does not need anything more than the current iBook and 512MB of RAM. I use a 700MHz G3 with 384MB of RAM everyday. I can connect to any WiFi spot with my original AirPort Card. I can run Office, Safari, Mail, iTunes, and iChat without a single problem. My iPod works fine with it and my digital camera with iPhoto is great. Is it Teh Snappy? No. Is it fine for most college kids needs? Absolutely. What program exactly does your daughter need to run that needs the power you are waiting for?

I recognize the IBook would be sufficient for her needs in college. But it would be great if it were up to the task of lasting her four years. Believe it or not, even though the computer is primarily for her education, her current IMac (for example) can't run the latest games she'd like to play :-) (Like SIMS 2). The demands for processor speed seem to ramp up all the time, and I'd just like her to have the latest machine (as opposed to a system which is already 9 months old!). Plus... apple is making 512 Ram standard in all its other systems other than the old IBook.

I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet, buy one this week or next, and then kick myself when new ones come out shortly. I just can't fathom Apple waiting this long before upgrades. They usually try to stay competitive with PC alternatives in the notebook market.

[zagato27]

I recognize the IBook would be sufficient for her needs in college. But it would be great if it were up to the task of lasting her four years. Believe it or not, even though the computer is primarily for her education, her current IMac (for example) can't run the latest games she'd like to play :-) (Like SIMS 2). The demands for processor speed seem to ramp up all the time, and I'd just like her to have the latest machine (as opposed to a system which is already 9 months old!). Plus... apple is making 512 Ram standard in all its other systems other than the old IBook.

I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet, buy one this week or next, and then kick myself when new ones come out shortly. I just can't fathom Apple waiting this long before upgrades. They usually try to stay competitive with PC alternatives in the notebook market.

Yes, still waiting. We went to the Apple store to do a side by side comparison btween the 12" and 14" iBook. I was concerned with the portability issue....12" is really portable. My daughter liked the bigger screen of the 14" and said she'd probably only have it on her desk anyway. My son chimed in with, then why don't you get a desktop? I was thinking Mac Mini but would still have to buy a decent 17" LCD and that would put the price up there with the iBook and she's not into an iMac. So looks like the 14". Will wait til the end of the month b4 ordering. Guess I'll go with the Apple edu store and take advantage of the free 4gb iPod. The 14" is slightly more expensive than Amazon and you have to pay state tax but will eventually get a 4 gb iPod for free. As to ram upgrade. I ordered a 512mb module and installed it on my wife's 14" iBook. Think that it cost about $60. Pretty easy to install. I did go out and buy a "jeweler's" screwdriver set though. The philips head screwdrivers I had just weren't sharp enough. This time I'll be ready ;) Cheers

[treblah]

Yes, still waiting. We went to the Apple store to do a side by side comparison btween the 12" and 14" iBook. I was concerned with the portability issue....12" is really portable. My daughter liked the bigger screen of the 14" and said she'd probably only have it on her desk anyway. My son chimed in with, then why don't you get a desktop? I was thinking Mac Mini but would still have to buy a decent 17" LCD and that would put the price up there with the iBook and she's not into an iMac. So looks like the 14". Will wait til the end of the month b4 ordering. Guess I'll go with the Apple edu store and take advantage of the free 4gb iPod. The 14" is slightly more expensive than Amazon and you have to pay state tax but will eventually get a 4 gb iPod for free. As to ram upgrade. I ordered a 512mb module and installed it on my wife's 14" iBook. Think that it cost about $60. Pretty easy to install. I did go out and buy a "jeweler's" screwdriver set though. The philips head screwdrivers I had just weren't sharp enough. This time I'll be ready ;) Cheers

I have not lived in GA for a few years but are they still doing to 'Sales Tax Free' weekend they used to do before school started? If the are, why not take a road trip up to Atlanta and buy the iBook there? You can still get the EDU discount if you buy it in the store.

[zagato27]

I have not lived in GA for a few years but are they still doing to 'Sales Tax Free' weekend they used to do before school started? If the are, why not take a road trip up to Atlanta and buy the iBook there? You can still get the EDU discount if you buy it in the store.

Hmmm, hadn't thought of that. Will have to check dates for the Tax Free day. Gosh, one more variable to think about......geeeeez :o Thanks for the reminder. Cheers

[kleinerp]

Stock iBooks are now quoting 7 day shipping on UK store :)

[mca2]

Seems like iBooks and Minis have a 7-10 day shipping time in Europe. However, the US store still has same business day.

Now what's that supposed to mean? Their resupply ship sunk on its way to Europe? Or is it really updates but for Europe only? ;)

Europe: 7 -10 days
Canada: 5 -7 days
US: same business day
Australia: 1 -2 days

[xisforextreme]

To hell with my daughter's operation. I walked out with a 15" PB, a dual 2.7 and a 30 incher.

I don't think you need to show off all that tech if you have a 30-incher, consider yourself a lucky man. :D

[jonomo]

Europe: 7 -10 days
Canada: 5 -7 days
US: same business day
Australia: 1 -2 days
Korea: No Inventory

[iEric]

I'm so tempted to get a Sony Vaio S Series and just put a Mac OS X skin on Windows XP. GR!!

[Ironwood]

Well.. Tuesday has come and gone (per someone else's rumor). I was hoping there would be an announcement of new IBooks in conjunction with Mac show in Boston.

Now what? I need to buy an ibook for my daughter for college in the Fall and time is running out.

Anyone have any clues?? I'm amazed there hasn't been any speed bump or improvement since Oct 2004. And they still ship with a meager 256k ram.

Help! Any advice or insight?

I've been reading these forums for a long time and thought I would register to respond on this one.

I had been waiting for a long time on the iBook updates but gave in and bought a previous generation PB instead. However, you may want to check prices at your daughters school if they sell Apples on campus. The prices at the University I checked were lower than the education discount on the web. I understand schools sometime have special deals or include cases, etc. Here are the prices I found:


12" iBook 1.2 ghz Combo $799
14" iBook 1.33 ghz Combo $999
14" iBook 1.33 ghz Super $1,199

And you can take advantage of the iPod Student Union promo... you may want to keep that however;)

[jonomo]

If and When the Ibook comes out, whats the best way to purchase. I'm considering speed and price:

Apple Store - Will the store have inventory as soon as its announced?
Apple Website - Should we expect alot of backorders?
Amazon - I heard you don't pay tax. Is that true?

Its happening this week... I feel a powerful change in the force.... :cool:

[Zman5225]

If and When the Ibook comes out, whats the best way to purchase. I'm considering speed and price:

Apple Store - Will the store have inventory as soon as its announced?
Apple Website - Should we expect alot of backorders?
Amazon - I heard you don't pay tax. Is that true?

Its happening this week... I feel a powerful change in the force.... :cool:


As far as the Amazon goes, this is copy and pasted from their website

"Items sold by Amazon.com LLC, or its subsidiaries, and shipped to destinations in the states of Kansas, North Dakota, or Washington* are subject to tax.

* Please note, effective August 1, 2005 Amazon.com LLC will be required to charge sales tax in Kentucky. The new collection requirements will apply to all orders shipped and charged on or after August 1, 2005, even if the order was placed before August 1, 2005."

So you will only pay tax if you live in one of those states, also they have good rebates on them if you don't mind waiting for rebates, usually comes out cheaper then student discounts since you won't pay taxes after rebates.

%Z

[BTS]

I'm so tempted to get a Sony Vaio S Series and just put a Mac OS X skin on Windows XP. GR!!
You cannot possibly compare that to Mac OS X... :rolleyes:

[mjstew33]

The limit has been reached! Apple.com

No updates, yet.

TUESDAY HERE WE COME!

woohoo! 500,000,000!

[gorbok]

I was reading the little blurb about the iBooks on the Apple website and thought it might hold some clues as to when they would be released. So using www.freetranslation.com, I translated it into Spanish, back to English, into Russian and then back to English again. This is what it came back as:

"Make a surf the Fabric, a chat with friends, makes you owe to them, they play play, burn still DVDS and CD to create their own, video of a masterpiece or musical. In their favourite coffee. At 2 o'clock in the morning. IBook G4 delivers an existing digital way of life to its backpack. "

I can't seem to crack the code. Any guesses?

[DHagan4755]

Too funny.

According to a guy on another forum, he claims his sources say definitely this Tuesday for new iBooks. No visual change in the form factor, minor bump to 64MB on graphics, 1.4 - 1.8 GHz Freescale 7448s.

[kmaisch]

Too funny.
According to a guy on another forum, he claims his sources say definitely this Tuesday for new iBooks. No visual change in the form factor, minor bump to 64MB on graphics, 1.4 - 1.8 GHz Freescale 7448s.

Who are his sources? Did he use the babelfish translator instead? :)

I'll believe it when I see it - theres been rumours for so long - I've given up waiting :)

[jonomo]

My g/f just called the KR regional office to ask about the Ibooks, the regional sales manager told her the Ibooks would be announced in the US this week, but won't be available in Korea for a few more weeks.... sux for her... but good for me.. been waiting for 2 months now....

I would think this is a pretty credible source... luckily I just came back to California, but my g/f won't be able to get one for a while... any sites that ship abroad? But then there's extra Duty to pay.... :confused:

[MUCKYFINGERS]

Too funny.

According to a guy on another forum, he claims his sources say definitely this Tuesday for new iBooks. No visual change in the form factor, minor bump to 64MB on graphics, 1.4 - 1.8 GHz Freescale 7448s.

1.4-1.8 ghz for the iBook processor? No way...

[tsk]

1.4-1.8 ghz for the iBook processor? No way...

Gotta agree. I'll happily be wrong though.

Mmmmmm. 1.4GHz 12" iBook with free iPod Mini.......

[Hattig]

1.4-1.8 ghz for the iBook processor? No way...

... and 2GHz PowerBooks with 128MB X800 graphics at Paris?

Maybe Apple is moving to differentiate the hardware more by bus speed (PowerBook will get new 200MHz bus), graphics hardware (64MB 9600 vs. 128MB 9800 or better), better displays and fancy features.

But if this new iBook comes in $100 cheaper as well, then I think the PowerBooks will need a rather decent pricedrop to get a look in.

I'd certainly buy a 1.4GHz 12" iBook without a second thought. I'd only think twice about it if the 14" iBook went widescreen or had a higher resolution display.

Anyway, now I'm anticipating new iBooks tomorrow, and that's a bad thing!

[rose red]

My first iBook is "out for delivery" So this means new ones tomorrow for everyone else, 512RAM, 60Hd, Bluetooth included, cheaper!! I'm very excited but a bit apprehensive., but not disappointed that I've missed out on a better deal.

[djkny]

The limit has been reached! Apple.com

No updates, yet.

TUESDAY HERE WE COME!

woohoo! 500,000,000!

Means ZERO. Here's to wishful thinking ...

[thewhitehart]

Has there been any instance where a BTO product's shipping time increased dramatically and no updates occured? Is there a chance that the BTO shipping times on the ibook will revert back to normal? I suspect that an update is imminent on account of the international stores being either sold out or having long waits on standard product orders. Have they ever been sold out before without receiving an updated product?

Hopefully they would give the 12" ibook a 60 gig hard drive... 40 gigs is really a joke now. 256MB is unacceptable. I want to switch so badly! :p

[a2cute2control]

Just to get this right, but the ibook update is somehow now being based on the itunes store reaching it's goal?, besides the shipping times, and the specs being rather low in this type of computer market, are there any obvious rumours at all? I want to switch, and have been waiting since the day before forever, but I just seem to be losing interest. Something's gotta give.

p.s. Even if I wanted to go buy one right now, it seems there are none available through my area. Furthermore, if I did order from apple, i have to wait at least a week and a half...to me that's the only positive factor in the behalf of a updated ibook. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE up the ram and lower the price.

[rosalindavenue]

Too funny.

According to a guy on another forum, he claims his sources say definitely this Tuesday for new iBooks. No visual change in the form factor, minor bump to 64MB on graphics, 1.4 - 1.8 GHz Freescale 7448s.

That'd be great, but if they put the 7448 (faster FSB) in the ibooks they had better put it in the powerbooks too, or the howling of powerbook owners will be deafening.

By the way, please give us a link to "that other forum" if you get a chance-- thanks!

[drake]

It would be a stupid move not to up the included ram to 512.

[CoMpX]

It would be a stupid move not to up the included ram to 512.

I strongly agree. 256 is simply unacceptable in today's computer market! :mad:

[QCassidy352]

I strongly agree. 256 is simply unacceptable in today's computer market! :mad:

Absolutely. I think apple hurts themselves by selling machines with 256. People buy it thinking it's usable with the base RAM, then they find the experience very frustrating and think macs are crap.

That said, there's no way it will happen on a "consumer" laptop at this point.

On another note, has anyone considered that they really can't update the ibooks without the powerbooks? A slight mhz gap and a few features like DVI, FW 800 (not even on the 12" PB), BT built in, better graphics, etc. are all that separate the lines already. Bump the ibooks to 1.4-1.8 and make the graphics 64 MB without a change to the PBs and why exactly would anyone buy a PB?

[MUCKYFINGERS]

Absolutely. I think apple hurts themselves by selling machines with 256. People buy it thinking it's usable with the base RAM, then they find the experience very frustrating and think macs are crap.

That said, there's no way it will happen on a "consumer" laptop at this point.

On another note, has anyone considered that they really can't update the ibooks without the powerbooks? A slight mhz gap and a few features like DVI, FW 800 (not even on the 12" PB), BT built in, better graphics, etc. are all that separate the lines already. Bump the ibooks to 1.4-1.8 and make the graphics 64 MB without a change to the PBs and why exactly would anyone buy a PB?

I concur. Are they going to update the iBooks along with the Powerbooks as well tomorrow?

[Mood]

guys, there was one time a couple of years ago where a g4 cube was actually better than a powermac (for like a month when they updated them)

apple may just update the ibook and be in the same specs as the powerbook for a couple of days or weeks before another update for the powerbook occurs.

[tsk]

It would be a stupid move not to up the included ram to 512.

I sort of disagree. If I get a laptop with 256MB, I'll be forced to upgrade. With that in mind, I'd end up with a 1.25GB laptop. If they stick in 512MB, I'll figure it's good enough and just leave it for who knows how long :).

[The_Man]

I sort of disagree. If I get a laptop with 256MB, I'll be forced to upgrade. With that in mind, I'd end up with a 1.25GB laptop. If they stick in 512MB, I'll figure it's good enough and just leave it for who knows how long :).

If they update the iBook to have 256 built in and then 256 in the empty slot then I will just end up taking away the extra 256 and putting in a 1Gig stick.
Updating the RAM really doesnt make a difference to me or to anyone that is going to want more than 512 RAM in their computer.

If they do boost it to 512 then I will need to figure out what to do with the stick I take out.

[jonomo]

I have a gig stick that I was using on my 1.5 PB.. (long story as to why I don't have the PB anymore...)... anyway, i hope it werks on the new Ibook... or else its just gonna go to waste.. :(

[a2cute2control]

I think i'm jumping the gun here. It seems that everyone is basically set for the ibook to get updated tomorrow (while yes, that would kick ass), why tomorrow and not last week or next week for that matter. No concrete rumours, just the anger of waiting for so long taking over and demanding it be tomorrow.

[jdechko]

All I know is that if Apple updates the iBooks without a PowerBook Update, I'm staying away from these forums for a few weeks, or at least till the sh** gets cleaned off the fans. All we will here between the updates will be people complaining about this and that, and it'll be too much.

[QCassidy352]

I think i'm jumping the gun here. It seems that everyone is basically set for the ibook to get updated tomorrow (while yes, that would kick ass), why tomorrow and not last week or next week for that matter. No concrete rumours, just the anger of waiting for so long taking over and demanding it be tomorrow.

well, if you read through the thread, you'll see that some people have "heard from reliable sources" (people at apple) that the update is tomorrow. But for the most part I agree - it's just frustration at this point.

[powerbook911]

NO, the long BTO shipping times on the iBooks & Mac Minis in the USA store, and the long shipping time for stock models on the UK store is a HUGE clue. We saw this before the iMacs were updated, before the Powerbooks in late January, and before Apple announced the Tiger release date (they moved Panther ship date to several days).

The update should come this week or next. I think it is great timing to sell Macs, for back to school.

[IscariotJ]

Even though I'm hoping that the rumours are true - I'm waiting to splash some cash on a 12" iBook - I'm taking most of the signs with a pinch of salt. It wasn't that long ago, the UK Store was listing the Mac Mini with the same 7 day shipping time for the stock item, as the iBooks are now, yet no update was forthcoming.

I'm hoping wrong, though. I'm refusing to order an iBook, until the stock memory is at 512, and the video card supports CoreImage.

J

Edit: Funny, didn't notice before, the Mac Mini is now listed as 7-10 days on stock items.

[Zman5225]

I'm hoping wrong, though. I'm refusing to order an iBook, until the stock memory is at 512, and the video card supports CoreImage.




If they did that i'd be all over a iBook myself. Here's to hoping!

=Z

[RJD]

Anyone here know if the shipping time on stock Macs always shifts to 1-3 days prior to an update? Have there ever been updates that happened while shipping remained "same business day" immediately beforehand?

I'm wondering because the iBooks are still "same day shipping" on the US site, which makes me think that an update tomorrow is unlikely. I want to avoid purchasing right before an update, but at the same time I'm really in need of a laptop ASAP for working on my dissertation and don't know if I can afford to wait much longer...

[fr3drik]

I live in Sweden and I ordered my Powerbook 12" on the 9th of June. Still havn't received it. I called Apple to complain and they told me they can't give me an exact date but they guarantee I will have it within 2 weeks. They also couldn't tell me why it took so long. What's up with that? Usually, it takes 3-4 days to receive it. I've been calling the retailer like 20 times since I placed the order and I've had them call Apple twice. So it's not like my order got lost or anything.

Do I dare to think that the Powerbook line is going to be updated?

[powerbook911]

I'm wondering because the iBooks are still "same day shipping" on the US site, which makes me think that an update tomorrow is unlikely. I want to avoid purchasing right before an update, but at the same time I'm really in need of a laptop ASAP for working on my dissertation and don't know if I can afford to wait much longer...

The thing is if you look at Build to order iBooks, it is 7-10 days to ship. Normally, a build to order would say something like 1-3 days, or 3-5 days.

[RJD]

The thing is if you look at Build to order iBooks, it is 7-10 days to ship. Normally, a build to order would say something like 1-3 days, or 3-5 days.

Yeah, I saw that earlier in the thread. In fact that's the reason why I'm still holding out for the update rather than buying right now. I'm just wondering whether the lack of any change on shipping for the stock iBooks (non-BTOs) is a contradictory sign?

[THX]

Well, I am not sure if this means anything at all but it is worth a go. I ordered a BTO 12" IBook Thursday night and it was built this morning. However, you'd expect a ready product to get out the door quite quickly. But no, it has remained as "preparing shipment" since then (ie. many hours).

I can speculate a few reasons for this, some more plausible than others. However, it cannot be denied that there is a possibility that my BTO was infact updated with new hardware and will not be sent until tomorrow (following an update announcement).

Though, it is more likely due to either a delay or it missed a mass-shipping schedule. But you'd think they'd ship all ready products by the end of the day. :/

[Superhob]

Here's some more fuel for the fire...Amazon says they only have one ibook 12 inch left in stock BUT they usually would say "More on the way" or something to that effect. Also, if you notice the availbility for CompUSA on the right hand side, it says "Usually ships in 1-2 months".

I don't know if this information points to an impending update or not, but I thought I'd share it...

Edit: CompUSA own website says Usually Ships In: 2 - 4 Weeks...

[TaKashMoney]

It seemed to me like we had more consistent sources of information several weeks ago following the 4th of July. We didnt see wacky shipping times but we even had comments from several online websites that ibooks would have already been updated. While im hoping upon hoping for tomorrow, I keep thinking that I'm setting myself up for disappointment and my desperate wishes are making something out of nothing...

But then again..... Here's to me being wrong! iBooks tomorrow woo hoo!

[Onkelskrue]

I dunno, but mine was built on Friday and it is shipping from Shanghai tonight. I would love for it to be an updated version, but it only states the 'ol specs:


07/14/2005
11:33 AM PST

W1XXXXXXXX

• PBG4 15/1.67GHz-128/512MB/80/SD/APX-USA
• PBG4 15/1.67GHZ

Shipped


PBG4 15/1.67GHz-128/512MB/80/SD/APX-USA
Replaced with new product


PBG4 15/1.67GHZ
Shipped

1 Shipped 07/18/2005
Invoice No. : 9222XXXXX
Carrier : FEDERAL EXPRESS
Tracking Number(s) :
7010XXXXXXX

Tracking number
70XXXXXXX
Ship date
Jul 18, 2005


Reference
2XXXXXXXX
Destination
Falls Church, VA
Service type
IP Direct Distribution
Weight
4.7 kgs.



Status
At FedEx destination


Date/Time

Activity

Location

Details

Jul 18, 2005 11:00 PM

At local FedEx facility

SHANGHAI CN



2:10 PM

Package data transmitted to FedEx

[AcousticDoc]

I want an ibook right now soooooooooooo badly. But I won't buy one unless they update...I hope I don't die by the time that happens.

[ITASOR]

Well, I am not sure if this means anything at all but it is worth a go. I ordered a BTO 12" IBook Thursday night and it was built this morning. However, you'd expect a ready product to get out the door quite quickly. But no, it has remained as "preparing shipment" since then (ie. many hours).

I can speculate a few reasons for this, some more plausible than others. However, it cannot be denied that there is a possibility that my BTO was infact updated with new hardware and will not be sent until tomorrow (following an update announcement).

Though, it is more likely due to either a delay or it missed a mass-shipping schedule. But you'd think they'd ship all ready products by the end of the day. :/

Whhhhaaat I ordered one Friday night and it didn't do ANYTHING yet. :(

[AcousticDoc]

CRAP I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE. Anyone here know any good windows notebooks that are 12inch and have 5 or more hour battery life?

[powerbook911]

I dunno, but mine was built on Friday and it is shipping from Shanghai tonight. I would love for it to be an updated version, but it only states the 'ol specs:



We're not expecting Powerbook updates.

[powerbook911]

Here's some more fuel for the fire...Amazon says they only have one ibook 12 inch left in stock BUT they usually would say "More on the way" or something to that effect. Also, if you notice the availbility for CompUSA on the right hand side, it says "Usually ships in 1-2 months".

I don't know if this information points to an impending update or not, but I thought I'd share it...

Edit: CompUSA own website says Usually Ships In: 2 - 4 Weeks...

Yes, this is a valid point, and I noticed this a couple days ago. Amazon ran out of the iBooks, and they began promoting the rest of CompUSA's stock, and now CompUSA's stock seems to be gone.

I'm thinking Apple isn't giving Amazon anymore of the current iBooks, for the new ones might be out this week??

[Superhob]

CRAP I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE. Anyone here know any good windows notebooks that are 12inch and have 5 or more hour battery life?

You should consider a 12inch Powerbook. It gets close to 4.5 hours of battery life and it's built better than 90% of the windows laptops out there.

[AcousticDoc]

I'm thinking Apple isn't giving Amazon anymore of the current iBooks, for the new ones might be out this week??

I'm new to apple, when they announce new products, can I expect apple stores to have them the day of the annoucement?

[Superhob]

I'm new to apple, when they announce new products, can I expect apple stores to have them the day of the annoucement?


They usually have the base configurations available on or shortly after the announcement date. BTO systems may take a week or two...

[AcousticDoc]

They usually have the base configurations available on or shortly after the announcement date. BTO systems may take a week or two...

So if ibooks really do comeout tommorow...Apple employees should already know about it today?

[jonomo]

So if ibooks really do comeout tommorow...Apple employees should already know about it today?

I would think so. We should wait in front of an Apple Store during close time and shake'm up a bit... ;)... or snoop around and see if they are getting any shipments... do some dumpster diving and look for some purchase orders... etc...

[VanMac]

I would think so. We should wait in front of an Apple Store during close time and shake'm up a bit... ;)... or snoop around and see if they are getting any shipments... do some dumpster diving and look for some purchase orders... etc...
Yes.

We should make them an offer they can't refuse. :cool:

[TaKashMoney]

Most Apple employees working retail stores do not know when new products are released any sooner than the public. An employee I spoke with a week ago did not know the ipod merged lines until the very morning he went into work and checked apple's homepage. They keep everything so damn secret. However... camping out might still be fun

[QCassidy352]

CRAP I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE. Anyone here know any good windows notebooks that are 12inch and have 5 or more hour battery life?

What is it that the current ibooks can't do but that both new ibooks and windows laptops can do that would make you buy a PC? Or is this just frustration at apple?

[AcousticDoc]

What is it that the current ibooks can't do but that both new ibooks and windows laptops can do that would make you buy a PC? Or is this just frustration at apple?

I just don't like buying super old tech

[Mood]

Anyone here know if the shipping time on stock Macs always shifts to 1-3 days prior to an update? Have there ever been updates that happened while shipping remained "same business day" immediately beforehand?

I'm wondering because the iBooks are still "same day shipping" on the US site, which makes me think that an update tomorrow is unlikely. I want to avoid purchasing right before an update, but at the same time I'm really in need of a laptop ASAP for working on my dissertation and don't know if I can afford to wait much longer...


if you need it asap, why don't you use the computer you're on right now? sheesh.

[RJD]

if you need it asap, why don't you use the computer you're on right now? sheesh.

I need access to extensive archive material that I can't take home, and I also have to be away from my home a lot over the rest of the summer. My eMac isn't very portable.

[Freg3000]

I'm not in the market, but.......

Hallelujah!!! (http://thinksecret.com/news/0507ibook.html)

[toaster_oven]

I'm not in the market, but.......

Hallelujah!!! (http://thinksecret.com/news/0507ibook.html)

hmmm... i'm definitely in the market...

but if they are updating the enclosure (or changing it drastically) wouldn't they wait until the apple expo in paris(Sept 20-24)? i think something like that is worthy of a keynote. they might also decide to speedbump the PBs as well (G5s anyone? :p ;) )... but it's moderately unlikely given that they were just updated in Feb. could happen, though.

-to

[jmmdg6]

IBOOKS ARE COMING!!!!! (says the article). I will post the link again incase you are not able to scroll up from your excitement. The article says widescreen available as early as today!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am giddy. I'm not sure if I'm even being coherent right now?!?!?!
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0507ibook.html

[jonomo]

:cool: IBOOKS ARE COMING!!!!! (says the article). I will post the link again incase you are not able to scroll up from your excitement. The article says widescreen available as early as today!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am giddy. I'm not sure if I'm even being coherent right now?!?!?!
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0507ibook.html

Uhmmm 15" wide... i wonder if they'll have a 13" or 12" wide.... I got rid of my 15" Tibook a while ago for something smaller... 13 wide would be ideal... anyway.... its undeniable... its happening this week fer sure!!!! :cool:

[powerbook911]

:cool:

Uhmmm 15" wide... i wonder if they'll have a 13" or 12" wide.... I got rid of my 15" Tibook a while ago for something smaller... 13 wide would be ideal... anyway.... its undeniable... its happening this week fer sure!!!! :cool:

If they have 13" iBook widescreen, then they better update the Powerbooks soon. ha-ha.

[MUCKYFINGERS]

If the new iBooks are 14" widescreen, does that mean it'll have a higher resolution (unlike the 14" and 12" current iBooks, which have the same rez).

[finalcoolman]

The fact that tommorow the current iBook will be EXACTLY nine months old is a sign. All signs point towards an update tommorow!!! Only problem is if there is NO update tommorow, what will I do with myself? Throw myself away, quit my job since there is no point in working for money anymore and beg on the street? Wish I was never born?

[afields]

Not in the market for it but, sounds good. hopefully a new design... :)

[yacho84]

so it seems new ibooks, finally. or maybe not. that article doesn't seem very convincing really?

alas, i ordered mine about 1.7 days ago now. but it says that my computer won't be shipping until august 1st. is that a sign, or is apple just being really slow? :confused:

[MUCKYFINGERS]

Any idea if the 14" widescreen iBooks (assuming they are real and not vaporware) will be higher resolution than the preevious 14" iBooks?

[evolutioneight]

The fact that tommorow the current iBook will be EXACTLY nine months old is a sign. All signs point towards an update tommorow!!! Only problem is if there is NO update tommorow, what will I do with myself? Throw myself away, quit my job since there is no point in working for money anymore and beg on the street? Wish I was never born?

Lets rally a crusade and head down to cupertino, seize the Apple campus in a glorious coup d'etat and force them to release the new iBooks. If they refuse, we'll build the damn things ourselves out of their flesh and bones. And if that fails, well... lets just ask them to give us some deals on ipod socks.

[CmdrLaForge]

Now the iTunes countdown is over. What could replace that 5000000000 sign?

NEW IBOOKS!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[gregorydanger]

Any idea if the 14" widescreen iBooks (assuming they are real and not vaporware) will be higher resolution than the preevious 14" iBooks?

Considering that in order to have a widescreen display the pixel amount, by default, has to be different (in order to take advantage of the widescreen -- 1024x768 will work on one but it makes no sense) so I'd assume so.

[Mood]

Mood's log, it's 3:35 am, no sign of ibook updates yet.

[BTS]

Mood's log, it's 3:35 am, no sign of ibook updates yet.
When & where are updates announced at first, normally?

[huy]

Apple's front page is the one I always check first before rumour sites, after pending announcements/strong clues.

[timmyb]

When & where are updates announced at first, normally?The store will go down at about 1:30 pm UK time and reappear with the updates, (plus there will be a sign on the front page.)

[icarusflies]

Widescreen ibooks

I'd LOVE a widescreen ibook

But considering apple just switched the manufacturer for the ibook a few months ago don't you think this could be a little too early? Even if apple had the design and form sorted to build widescreen macs, it would be very optimistic for any manufacturer to deliver in two months [I am assuming the manufacturing contract WAS awarded shortly before it was announced, if it was awarded earlier widescreen ibooks could be out today:D]

Expect a speed bump, 64mb graphics - but I think that's all we'll get.
Paris Expo might be the date for the widescreen version.
Although apple are known for surprises.

Three hours and we'll know

[Hattig]

Widescreen ibooks

I'd LOVE a widescreen ibook

But considering apple just switched the manufacturer for the ibook a few months ago don't you think this could be a little too early? Even if apple had the design and form sorted to build widescreen macs, it would be very optimistic for any manufacturer to deliver in two months [I am assuming the manufacturing contract WAS awarded shortly before it was announced, if it was awarded earlier widescreen ibooks could be out today:D]

Expect a speed bump, 64mb graphics - but I think that's all we'll get.
Paris Expo might be the date for the widescreen version.
Although apple are known for surprises.

Three hours and we'll know

I'd love one as well, I might have to spend an hour comparing the specs and performing mental value calculations before ordering if that is the case. Poor ol' credit card.

I think that was announced 3 months ago? Those companies can easily knock out that many systems in that time, I assume they've been making them for a month now after two months tooling and waiting for the 7448 (I'm ever hopeful!) to get shipped from Freescale.

But yes, 3 hours. Can't wait.

[lpshean]

But yes, 3 hours. Can't wait.

Why specifically 3 hours? Im not living in the US and i dont get it. :)

It's 6.26 PM, 19th July, Tuesday here. :cool:

[Hattig]

Why specifically 3 hours? Im not living in the US and i dont get it. :)

It's 6.26 PM, 19th July, Tuesday here. :cool:

I'm in the UK. Apple store usually goes down at 1.30pm here (8.30am pacific?) if there are updates. It is now 11.40, so we'll know in two hours if there is anything interesting happening.

[Chundles]

Three hours makes it about 7am Tuesday morning in Cupertino - it's when Apple will often release updates although recent events have shown that Tuesdays are no longer all that important.

[lpshean]

Rightt... i never knew that Apple updates their stuff at a particular day or that the Store goes down at a particular time.

Well... we'll just have to wait and see, won't we? But i have learnt not to put my expectations up too high! With Apple, you can never tell.

[unknownfairy]

I thought everyone was being ridiculous expecting updates today, as there'd been no real indicators, but now TS is reporting it I have more hope. They are usually pretty on the ball...

PLEASE NEW IBOOKS TODAY!

[mellow2bits]

The fact that tommorow the current iBook will be EXACTLY nine months old is a sign.


so after nine months it is time for the son of iBook (or daughter, for that matter): a new formfactor including a new screen... let's hope the screen will be brighter so we can actually use the new iBook outside during the day. and I'd really like to see the motion detection sensor that parks the HD before impact when dropping your iBook. that would emphasise the iBook's robusteness...

and a small speedbump would be nice, along with better graphics card and standard 512ram...

just dreaming...;)

[Yossarian]

The thing that's been annoying me and making me doubt an update is the 'Same Business Day' status of ibooks on the US Store. But...if there is an update there will be large spike demand, perhaps Apple have prioritised initial supplies for the US online store to satisfy immediate orders and the Euro/RestOfWorld locations will need to wait until there is a more supply available, hence the 7-10 days everywhere else.

/hits Ctl-R on apple.com

[icarusflies]

I can't see where they could go with a new form of the ibook at the moment.
All the 'consumer' range of macs have the white plastic- including the ipod [and excluding the mini mac]. The 'power' range is all metal - powerbooks and powermacs. So which way now before mactels?

One improvement they could make is on the keyboard/inside of the ibook - anyone think it looks a little cheap? Perhaps the introduction of metal inside similar to the powerbook could look good.

Personally I think they'll probably leave the designs now until mactels. I think the coloured ibooks are a thing of the past. The widescreen and speed/graphics bump would be the obvious route.

[icarusflies]

The thing that's been annoying me and making me doubt an update is the 'Same Business Day' status of ibooks on the US Store. But...if there is an update there will be large spike demand, perhaps Apple have prioritised initial supplies for the US online store to satisfy immediate orders and the Euro/RestOfWorld locations will need to wait until there is a more supply available, hence the 7-10 days everywhere else.

/hits Ctl-R on apple.com

Something definately going on today. The uk store was only 7-10 days on BTO ibooks a few days ago - now its the whole range on a stock model. Most suppliers have plenty stock so apple are up to something
:D

Half and hour and counting!

[Hattig]

Something definately going on today. The uk store was only 7-10 days on BTO ibooks a few days ago - now its the whole range on a stock model. Most suppliers have plenty stock so apple are up to something
:D

Half and hour and counting!

It was 7 days three hours ago, I had a look. Maybe I should have a pint in the pub for lunch and come back for a nice surprise.

[aswitcher]

Aus and US still up...mmm...not looking too good for Tuesday. Next half hour or so should decide it.

[rosalindavenue]

I hope I am wrong but I can't recall an update that hasn't taken the store down by 8 AM eastern-- and its 8:16. So it doesn't look like today.

[Hattig]

I hope I am wrong but I can't recall an update that hasn't taken the store down by 8 AM eastern-- and its 8:16. So it doesn't look like today.
I'm giving it 15 minutes, and then giving up for the day.

[Willy S]

It´s just a matter of few days since we both have shipment delays and rumors.

[DJ1UK]

Since it says shipping in 7 days, wouldn't it be more likely that they will be updated NEXT WEEK ?!?

DJ

[Jo-Kun]

Since it says shipping in 7 days, wouldn't it be more likely that they will be updated NEXT WEEK ?!?

DJ
the only problem is: wich NEXT week :p hahaha

I stopped wondering when... I'll see when it happens... and when I have a new budget for one

OT: since I get an old G4 2x500 wich I want to setup as server... my budget for an iBook/PowerBook will be gone for a while :p (the G4 has no drives... so I want some big ones to put in it -> need money for that :p)

[unknownfairy]

If they're not down at half past, everyone can crawl back to their holes and wait for another day...

[unknownfairy]

Alas, it is all over.

[MacSA]

Thinksecret did say "POSSIBLY" as early as today.

[lpshean]

Thinksecret did say "POSSIBLY" as early as today.

Yeah, damn right you are. :rolleyes:

But they did mention iBooks will be updated "very soon". And "very soon" here could be one hour, one day or even one week. If i were you guys, i wouldnt keep my hopes high.

It happens when it happens.

[Hattig]

Thinksecret did say "POSSIBLY" as early as today.
Apple have done Wednesday and Thursday releases this year haven't they?

Otherwise it is probably next Tuesday. Ah well, another week to save up money. Lets see if the shipping dates drop off over the week back to 1-3 days on Monday :p

[U2Rules!]

I hope the Mini's will be updated as well..... :cool:

[martin1000]

8:30 AM Eastern (EST) time makes it 5:30 Pacific (PST). Do they usually update products at 5:30 AM PST or 8:30 PST?

[bodeh6]

Well if you look at the Buyer's guide at the past announcements, they take place either at around 8:30AM, 8:45AM, 10:15AM, 10:34AM. All Eastern time. Still have 2 more hours. If not today then who knows what Tuesday.

[mad jew]

Well if you look at the Buyer's guide at the past announcements, they take place either at around 8:30AM, 8:45AM, 10:15AM, 10:34AM. All Eastern time. Still have 2 more hours. If not today then who knows what Tuesday.


But usually the later announcements are because they must coincide with a keynote. If there was an update today, it would have already happened, which sucks.

Hopefully I'm wrong though. :D

[marvbloke]

The definition of chaos theory from dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com):
the study of unpredictable and complex dynamic systems that are highly sensitive to small changes in external conditions, e.g. Apple product announcements.

(OK, I added that last bit ;))

[bodeh6]

So no new iBooks this week. The eMac before the current update waited 13 months to get an update. Powerbooks are due for hitting the average in 2 weeks. Lets set the new iBook/Powerbook update day as August 2nd, 2 weeks from today. Just in time for Back to school.

[Lancetx]

But usually the later announcements are because they must coincide with a keynote. If there was an update today, it would have already happened, which sucks.

Hopefully I'm wrong though. :D

No, you're right. Unless there is an event and/or keynote scheduled that day, the updates are posted on the Apple Store website by 9am ET. Oh well, maybe tomorrow or whenever...

[AP_piano295]

I swear Im about to go pc if apple doesnt update these things by next tuesday how the ******* do they expect people to pay the same for an ibook that was payed out almost a year ago now and everyone knows how fast a computer goes out of date... what do people think of linux??

[bodeh6]

Going for over 6 months with out updating a laptop or any other computer is basically suicide for a computer company. New products are supposed to come out every 6 months or faster. This is plain stupidity on Apple's part. They should have updated it on schedule in April 2005. Then updated again in October 2005 and then by April 2006 it would have been perfect time to switch to Intel. Apple screwed up the schedule. :mad:

[bemylover]

i ordered my 15" pb a week ago online; it said it would be shipped before or on july 18(yesterday). so i got this email today, which saysDue to an unexpected delay, we are unable to ship the following the guy on the phone said, it could be a sign for a new model. i don't know what to think :D

[lpshean]

i ordered my 15" pb a week ago online; it said it would be shipped before or on july 18(yesterday). so i got this email today, which says the guy on the phone said, it could be a sign for a new model. i don't know what to think :D

Probably some deal with the shipping company.

But then again... maybe not. :D

Probably yours was just a one in a thousand kindda case or smth?

Or maybe not. :D

[tsk]

I swear Im about to go pc if apple doesnt update these things by next tuesday how the ******* do they expect people to pay the same for an ibook that was payed out almost a year ago now and everyone knows how fast a computer goes out of date... what do people think of linux??

Linux is pretty good. There are some "weak" points though. One, the hibernation and power saving modes are not going to be as strong as OSX or Windows. Second, you're not going to have most software available for Linux. It depends on your needs. I can get most scientific software I need for Linux, but getting Photoshop is not going to happen (though they have free "similar" software you can use).

[nat3503]

So no new iBooks this week. The eMac before the current update waited 13 months to get an update. Powerbooks are due for hitting the average in 2 weeks. Lets set the new iBook/Powerbook update day as August 2nd, 2 weeks from today. Just in time for Back to school.

Someone posted an email from the Europe Apple Web Editor on the forums a few days ago, that on August 2nd Apple will start the 'free ipod mini with a mac' for students promotion in Europe.
Link (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=137984)

[MalcolmR]

So, Apple, how's it going? Good? Cool, cool.

So, about these iBooks... A few weeks ago, I decided that today was the day I'd buy my iBook. After all, I thought, why would I want to wait for weeks and weeks without any sign of an update?

So I put a reminder in my phone. It's just gone off. "Buy an iBook today, unless there's a really good reason to wait", it says.

Damn you, Apple: If you'd just quietly gone on and nothing'd happened, I'd have bought an iBook today. If you'd have refreshed the line today, I'd have been over the moon. But you've done neither of those.

You raised the delivery times on iBooks and Minis so we thought there would be an update, but then you didn't release one. Is that "a really good reason to wait"? I don't know: it seems like it is, but I understand that the Mini had the same problem a while back, and that didn't result in an update (and the rumour sites were going on at that time, too).

So, Apple, what should I do? Wait, or not wait? Spoon or no spoon?

What I think I'm going to do is to wait until you get your stock back under control, or refresh the iBooks, whichever comes first. But I'm determined not to become one of those sad, miserable, iBook-waiters.

Oh, wait...

[MUCKYFINGERS]

So much for the update.

I'm about ready to plunk down the cash to get a powerbook 12".

[tsk]

You raised the delivery times on iBooks and Minis so we thought there would be an update, but then you didn't release one. Is that "a really good reason to wait"? I don't know: it seems like it is, but I understand that the Mini had the same problem a while back, and that didn't result in an update (and the rumour sites were going on at that time, too).

So, Apple, what should I do? Wait, or not wait? Spoon or no spoon?

What I think I'm going to do is to wait until you get your stock back under control, or refresh the iBooks, whichever comes first. But I'm determined not to become one of those sad, miserable, iBook-waiters.

Oh, wait...

The real reason to wait is not the longer shipping times IMO. Those go up and down. The Think Secret article does imply that an update is imminent though. Doesn't look like today anymore, but they are usually right.

[Hattig]

Whilst Apple are dithering around with their laptop line, IBM actually do release a new laptop - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24739

2.1GHz Pentium M on 533MHz bus
1GB Memory
60GB 7200RPM
DVD/CDRW
15" 1600x1200 128MB VRAM
5.1 hours
2.3kg / 5lbs
$3229

Compares well to a 15" PowerBook specced to the save memory and drive
1.66GHz G4 on 166MHz bus / 1GB memory (1 dimm) / 80GB 5400RPM / DVD/CDRW / 15" 1280x768 (yes, the IBM has twice the number of pixels, but isn't wide) / 128 MB VRAM / 5.6lbs
$2,599

or the 17" (to get the better 'pixel space' than the above)
1.66GHz / 166MHz / 1GB / 80GB / DVDRW / 17" 1440x900 / 128MB / 6.9lbs
$2,949

I wish Apple would try to compete in more ways than just 'ooh, our software and design are better'.

[berkleeboy210]

Maybe next tuesday will be the day. The PowerBooks are approaching the end of there cycle. So it kinda makes sense to update them both @ the same time, so there specs won't be too close to each other.

Oh well, I'm ordering my 15" 1.67 in a while, so I'll be happy. That should last me until the Intel PB's are released.

[bigben334]

at wat point today can i say "ok, thats it, the ibooks will not be updated today."?

[deetschei]

at wat point today can i say "ok, thats it, the ibooks will not be updated today."?
now.

[wordmunger]

at wat point today can i say "ok, thats it, the ibooks will not be updated today."?

Yesterday. Yeesh, will this "rumor" never die?

[weg]

Whilst Apple are dithering around with their laptop line, IBM actually do release a new laptop -

Yeah, Apple has absolutely nothing that can compete with the Lenovo Thinkpad X41 Tablet PC... I found myself looking at this cute sexy thing more than once...

[JonMaker]

Yesterday. Yeesh, will this "rumor" never die?

Yes. This rumor will never die. Ever. :eek:

[Tahko]

I swear Im about to go pc if apple doesnt update these things by next tuesday how the ******* do they expect people to pay the same for an ibook that was payed out almost a year ago now and everyone knows how fast a computer goes out of date... what do people think of linux??
Linux on laptop = forget wlan on most of the models. Linux porks with IBM pretty good, rest suck.

[TaKashMoney]

Well MacRumors has just restated whats on ThinkSecret's webpage. If the news is legit enough to republish, I'll buy in. Would it be more likely for next tueday then this thursday? What are everyone's opinions on that?

[Eevee]

Yes. This rumor will never die. Ever. :eek:

Yeah, guess it will keep going till a Mod closes it (hint, hint :D).

It's Tuesday, and there's nothing...

[tsk]

Linux on laptop = forget wlan on most of the models. Linux porks with IBM pretty good, rest suck.

Wlan works fairly well. You just need to be careful with which model you get. The Intel 2200 for instance is a good choice.

[AcousticDoc]

I am sooooooo sad right now. I wanted to make the switch today.... :(

[Lancetx]

Going for over 6 months with out updating a laptop or any other computer is basically suicide for a computer company. New products are supposed to come out every 6 months or faster. This is plain stupidity on Apple's part.

While I totally agree that it has been too long since the last refresh, it doesn't seem to be hurting Apple's sales or marketshare one bit, as it's been rising steadily now for the past year. Notebook sales last quarter were the highest they've ever been in company history. So the lack of updates have definitely not been suicidal in the least.

[jmmdg6]

While I totally agree that it has been too long since the last refresh, it doesn't seem to be hurting Apple's sales or marketshare one bit, as it's been rising steadily now for the past year. Notebook sales last quarter were the highest they've ever been in company history. So the lack of updates have definitely not been suicidal in the least.



It may not be hurting Apple's sales at all, but think how much it would increase Apple's sales if they did refresh. There are probably 500 members on this site alone that are waiting to buy.

[powerbook911]

It may not be hurting Apple's sales at all, but think how much it would increase Apple's sales if they did refresh. There are probably 500 members on this site alone that are waiting to buy.

Agreed. I think this could be a great quarter for Apple, if they update the iBooks and Mac Minis, within the next two weeks. Back to school season, so people will be buying portables, iPods, etc. I hope it is a good quarter for Apple, I want to see another awesome conference call in October, despite the conservative guidance Apple provided last week.

[icarusflies]

Another wednesday - another load of rubbish on the UK Applestore clearance page.

Why do apple even bother with this page in the UK? - there's rarely anything worth mentioning on it.

A bit of a contrast to the US store that has just about every apple product going.

Apple has a very well established user base in the UK but rarely seems to make an effort to support us. No Cram and Jam etc [although there is a rumour that this starts in the UK on Aug 2nd.]

Come on Apple you are supposed to be an international brand. Stop being so USCentric. When Steve Jobs famously said "Stop selling fizzy sugar water and come an change the world with me" did he mean just the US? :mad:

[SpaceMagic]

Another wednesday - another load of rubbish on the UK Applestore clearance page.

Why do apple even bother with this page in the UK? - there's rarely anything worth mentioning on it.

A bit of a contrast to the US store that has just about every apple product going.

Apple has a very well established user base in the UK but rarely seems to make an effort to support us. No Cram and Jam etc [although there is a rumour that this starts in the UK on Aug 2nd.]

Come on Apple you are supposed to be an international brand. Stop being so USCentric. When Steve Jobs famously said "Stop selling fizzy sugar water and come an change the world with me" did he mean just the US? :mad:

This has nothing to do with iBooks/PowerBooks but I just checked the Refurb UK store, and well I'm quite impressed by the PowerMac G5s they have on there. £680 ex Vat for a single 1.8Ghz is pretty darn good for any business.

[icarusflies]

This has nothing to do with iBooks/PowerBooks but I just checked the Refurb UK store, and well I'm quite impressed by the PowerMac G5s they have on there. £680 ex Vat for a single 1.8Ghz is pretty darn good for any business.

I was trying to point out that there was a complete lack of ibooks and pbooks in the UK Refurb Store - don't think I've ever seen any.

[icarusflies]

Do you think they'll update this week, or even today?

[CoMpX]

Do you think they'll update this week, or even today?

Well, according to the ThinkSecret article, the iBooks SHOULD be updated either later today or sometime this week. If not this week then almost certainly next week. ThinkSecret is usually correct on their rumors, but still, I don't know. I'm just hoping like the rest of us.

[tsk]

Well, according to the ThinkSecret article, the iBooks SHOULD be updated either later today or sometime this week. If not this week then almost certainly next week. ThinkSecret is usually correct on their rumors, but still, I don't know. I'm just hoping like the rest of us.

That article was up yesterday. So "today" should not be taken to mean Wednesday. But obvious sometime this week would include Wednesday.

[The_Man]

That article was up yesterday. So "today" should not be taken to mean Wednesday. But obvious sometime this week would include Wednesday.

Good Call

Also, macosXrumors.com has put up a rumor referring to the iBook rumor on Think Secret.
http://www.macosxrumors.com/articles/2005/07/19/ibooks-imminent/

[The_Man]

Well if you look at the Buyer's guide at the past announcements, they take place either at around 8:30AM, 8:45AM, 10:15AM, 10:34AM. All Eastern time. Still have 2 more hours. If not today then who knows what Tuesday.


I think this quote a few pages back should help

[evolutioneight]

Maybe during Siggraph?

[AcousticDoc]

oh forget it. I'm tired of this BS. I'm going to buy a dell.

[bodeh6]

oh forget it. I'm tired of this BS. I'm going to buy a dell.

Go ahead. Dell's quality has been going down the drain lately. Both my bro and sis have Dells. Both have been needin a lot of fixin in the 1 and 2 years that they had them, respectively. Sure the prices are enticing. But you pay for what you get. Just like American vs Japanese cars. American car companies (Dell) offer huge incentives (30% off, $750 off $1499, etc) just to sell there crap on to the consumer. Japanese car companies (other PC mfg in this analogy like Sony and IBM) sell their products much close to sticker without the incentives and do pretty well. If a company offers huge discounts, simply don't buy from them because they know their product is crap and just want to sell huge quantities. I prefer to buy from slightly more expensive niche brands like Apple because they offer the better product.

Another analogy. You could buy Gillette grooming supplies and help support David Beckhams $100 million dollar contract or buy like I do from smaller companies like Baxter of California and MenScience which cost more but put more money into developing a much better product.

[evolutioneight]

Dell's quality has been going down the drain lately.

Sure, if by lately you mean the last 10 years.

Another analogy. You could buy Gillette grooming supplies and help support David Beckhams $100 million dollar contract or buy like I do from smaller companies like Baxter of California and MenScience which cost more but put more money into developing a much better product.

While I don't advocate buying Gillette...you can't argue they don't spend money on research. They spend close to a billion dollars alone just developing mach3.

[Mood]

er, i think you guys have become apple fanatics.

i've had this dell computer from 2001 and it still runs fine.

the only reason why i'm going with apple is ebcause i like the computer's design, and OS X's aesthetic appeal.

you can't just say the computer's going to stop working after 2-3 years, that's just b.s.

are you saying that the old dos computers from the 80s don't work still?

i didn't know that pcs spontaneously combust.

[jonomo]

Go ahead. Dell's quality has been going down the drain lately. Both my bro and sis have Dells. Both have been needin a lot of fixin in the 1 and 2 years that they had them, respectively. Sure the prices are enticing. But you pay for what you get. Just like American vs Japanese cars. American car companies (Dell) offer huge incentives (30% off, $750 off $1499, etc) just to sell there crap on to the consumer. Japanese car companies (other PC mfg in this analogy like Sony and IBM) sell their products much close to sticker without the incentives and do pretty well. If a company offers huge discounts, simply don't buy from them because they know their product is crap and just want to sell huge quantities. I prefer to buy from slightly more expensive niche brands like Apple because they offer the better product.

Another analogy. You could buy Gillette grooming supplies and help support David Beckhams $100 million dollar contract or buy like I do from smaller companies like Baxter of California and MenScience which cost more but put more money into developing a much better product.


I have to argue that Mac quality has gone down alot as well... I remember when the Newton and other mac portables were made in japan... you could totally feel the quality... and although macs still are quality products compared to PCs... they have definetly lost quality.. just look at the ibook, the keyboard and plastic is pretty weak....

I bought a powerbook a few weeks ago and I ended up with 3 DOAs in a row.... dead dvd drive, dead had, and a warped frame.... thats why i'm waiting for the ibook... no point in paying for premium when its not really a premium... if i'm gonna get a crappy computer, i might as well pay less for it.... now i'm suck with a gig of ram that i mght not be able to use on the ibook....

now comparing the dell to mac.. of course the mac is alot better... its amost 50% more expensive.... but my piont is that mac quality has gone down alot these days as well...

[macmanmatty]

I have to argue that Mac quality has gone down alot as well... I remember when the Newton and other mac portables were made in japan... you could totally feel the quality... and although macs still are quality products compared to PCs... they have definetly lost quality.. just look at the ibook, the keyboard and plastic is pretty weak....

I bought a powerbook a few weeks ago and I ended up with 3 DOAs in a row.... dead dvd drive, dead had, and a warped frame.... thats why i'm waiting for the ibook... no point in paying for premium when its not really a premium... if i'm gonna get a crappy computer, i might as well pay less for it.... now i'm suck with a gig of ram that i mght not be able to use on the ibook....

now comparing the dell to mac.. of course the mac is alot better... its amost 50% more expensive.... but my piont is that mac quality has gone down alot these days as well...



Yes, but the quality of everything has gone down. It's now about how cheap they can make something, so they get more profit in the end. Noone cares about the consumers (unless the law forces them to) anymore. Look at cars for example the ones from 70's and 80's are built much better, use better parts , get more gas milage, and last longer than the ones today. Heck My car and my computer are the only things i've owned that have lasted me longer than a a year. They just don't make quality like they used to anymore. Its all about money. :D Money, money money. :D

[Mood]

i could get two cheap dell laptops with the latest technology and keep them for 2 years each, and still have a better deal than the apple ibook that i keep for 4 years.


apple has good technology, but has no flexibility whatsoever. If you need DVI or dual screens, you need a powerbook, and pay 500 dollars extra for that even though the iBook is quite capable of it.

the IBM to Intel switch just means that Apple is becoming more corrupted like Microsoft, when Jobs said that they were switching to Intel because IBM couldn't produce a low-voltage G5 Chip for the powerbook. Well lookey now, there's a low-voltage g5 and it compares very well to the Pentium M.

[tsk]

now i'm suck with a gig of ram that i mght not be able to use on the ibook....

The RAM should work fine. The PB and iBook use the same RAM except the PB is faster. It's very doubtful they'd update the iBook to use faster RAM than the PB currently uses.

[tsk]

i could get two cheap dell laptops with the latest technology and keep them for 2 years each, and still have a better deal than the apple ibook that i keep for 4 years.


apple has good technology, but has no flexibility whatsoever. If you need DVI or dual screens, you need a powerbook, and pay 500 dollars extra for that even though the iBook is quite capable of it.

the IBM to Intel switch just means that Apple is becoming more corrupted like Microsoft, when Jobs said that they were switching to Intel because IBM couldn't produce a low-voltage G5 Chip for the powerbook. Well lookey now, there's a low-voltage g5 and it compares very well to the Pentium M.

That's sort of comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended). Dell has a few system that sort of stack up nicely against the Apple offering. You could compare the 600m with the 14" iBook and the 700m sort of with the 12" iBook. They're not perfect matches or anything. And it's also not like they are half price. You can get a 600m for maybe $800 that is nicely setup. The 700m is probably a little more. That's quoting good deals on the Dell's. My point is, it's not like they are half price. They are definitely cheaper.

Now, yes you can get some bargain basement laptops, but that's not really a fair comparison. Apple really doesn't have the bargain basement laptop that Dell has. The iBook is sort of a mid grade laptop when looking at the Dells.

[QCassidy352]

the IBM to Intel switch just means that Apple is becoming more corrupted like Microsoft, when Jobs said that they were switching to Intel because IBM couldn't produce a low-voltage G5 Chip for the powerbook. Well lookey now, there's a low-voltage g5 and it compares very well to the Pentium M.

On what do you base the statement that the low voltage g5 compares very well to the pentium M? just curious.

[spellflower]

I just got a call from a friend who, will remain anonymous, who works at a computer store specializing in Apple products. He knows I've been waiting for months for an ibook update, so he thought he'd call and let me know that the store just got notified by Apple that NEW IBOOKS WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK!!! My friend is not the kind of guy to play with my heart strings, so unless someone was prank calling the store and somehow convinced the manager that they were an Apple rep, I'd say it's pretty certain that the update will be here before the end of next week.

Hooray!

[AcousticDoc]

I just got a call from a friend who, will remain anonymous, who works at a computer store specializing in Apple products. He knows I've been waiting for months for an ibook update, so he thought he'd call and let me know that the store just got notified by Apple that NEW IBOOKS WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK!!! My friend is not the kind of guy to play with my heart strings, so unless someone was prank calling the store and somehow convinced the manager that they were an Apple rep, I'd say it's pretty certain that the update will be here before the end of next week.

Hooray!

we've had like 10 post in the past months like this. It's not goona happen buy an ibook now or xp notebook.

[martin1000]

U.S. Education store shows 5-7 days for stock ibooks. Has it been like this for a while?

edit: that's just for the 12"

[SpaceMagic]

i could get two cheap dell laptops with the latest technology and keep them for 2 years each, and still have a better deal than the apple ibook that i keep for 4 years.


apple has good technology, but has no flexibility whatsoever. If you need DVI or dual screens, you need a powerbook, and pay 500 dollars extra for that even though the iBook is quite capable of it.

the IBM to Intel switch just means that Apple is becoming more corrupted like Microsoft, when Jobs said that they were switching to Intel because IBM couldn't produce a low-voltage G5 Chip for the powerbook. Well lookey now, there's a low-voltage g5 and it compares very well to the Pentium M.


Really for a different thread, but I too have my cynical left eye open on this move. I feel IBM were as surprised as we were when they announced they were moving.

Also, I will be buying an iBook because it's a mac, so in that respect you can't compare better deal than a dell. However, big However, in terms of computer, a Dell Inspiron 6000 for less than an iBook is much better technology and an amazing widescreen 15" high res screen. If only it was a Mac, because I really would buy one!

[CoMpX]

we've had like 10 post in the past months like this. It's not goona happen buy an ibook now or xp notebook.


I really can't stand when people are sooo impatient like this. iBooks are bound to be out VERY soon becasue of all of the recent rumors, and why would it even cross your mind to buy a XP notebook???
:mad:

[thewhitehart]

Originally posted by Spellflower
I just got a call from a friend who, will remain anonymous, who works at a computer store specializing in Apple products. He knows I've been waiting for months for an ibook update, so he thought he'd call and let me know that the store just got notified by Apple that NEW IBOOKS WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK!!! My friend is not the kind of guy to play with my heart strings, so unless someone was prank calling the store and somehow convinced the manager that they were an Apple rep, I'd say it's pretty certain that the update will be here before the end of next week.

Even if this isn't true, and of course I believe you, all the signs are pointing to an imminent ibook update either this or next week. With the increasing shipping times and the think secret rumor, the signs have never been stronger. So just hang in there a few more days, guys. I wouldn't consider getting a dell because I want an Apple no matter what. That's why I'm waiting. And buying one now unless you truly need it would be positively idiotic in light of the current rumors.

[spellflower]

we've had like 10 post in the past months like this. It's not goona happen buy an ibook now or xp notebook.

By all means, buy your ibook or your xpbook, or $1200 worth of unsalted peanuts, if that's what you want to do! :) I, however, think it's worth waiting at least another week and a half. Sure we've had posts like mine before, and I dont' expect anyone to take a post as gospel- relying on one anonymous informant who reports information from another anonymous informant who, for all you know, doesn't exist would be silly. But the fact is, Thinksecret also is reporting the same thing, and they not only have a better contacts, but a reputation to look out for and a track record to uphold.

So if you need/want to buy today, go ahead, but in the last few months of studying these forums, this is the first time that I personally have felt that there is a strong reason to expect anything.

I don't blame you for doubting, though, we've all had our hopes up before, and we all know the sting of dissapointment. Still, this is a rumor forum, so I'd feel remiss if I didn't post what I believe is a credible rumor from a reliable source.

Sorry to be so long winded. Happy buying!

[solvs]

This is why Apple hates rumor sites. Someone makes a prediction about new iBooks coming, then we all get pissed off when it doesn't happen. Sucks that they aren't here yet, but that's the way it is. Maybe the move to Intel will ameliorate the issue, but who knows. You want an iBook or PowerBook, but one. If you can wait, wait. If you're just going to keep waiting forever, you'll never get anything. They may update tomorrow, may not until September. Who knows. I wouldn't recommend you buy a PC, but if that's what floats yor boat, I'm not going to stop you just because the Radeon 9200 can't do the ripple effect.

And for those complaining about the suckiness of the G4, um... that's why they're moving to Intel.

[spellflower]

This is why Apple hates rumor sites. Someone makes a prediction about new iBooks coming, then we all get pissed off when it doesn't happen.

Apple could easily put a stop to rumor sites if they wanted to.... all that it would require is announcing product release dates in advance. Every car company in the world comes out with new models in the fall every year. I know computers are different, and they feel the element of surprise is profitable, but in that case rumor sites are just going to go along with the deal like flies on feces.

[The_Man]

This is why Apple hates rumor sites. Someone makes a prediction about new iBooks coming, then we all get pissed off when it doesn't happen.

I dont remember any of the rumor sites saying that there will be an iBook update other than the rumor that just occured on Thinksecret.com. There have been people who come onto the forums and says things like "my brothers best friends wife's tennis partner is Steve Jobs and he says G5 ibook tomorrow with 4.5 Gig processors and 50Gigs of RAM standard for $149. There are few people who believe these stupid rumors that occur in the forums (that are not officially posted). The most dissapointment comes from every tuesday and everytime the shipping goes up. Rumor sites are not responsible for people jumping to conclusions at every change of the apple website.

[evolutioneight]

Apple could easily put a stop to rumor sites if they wanted to.... all that it would require is announcing product release dates in advance.

LOL.

No.
You think announcing products in advanced would magically eliminate rumour sites?? Well what about the rumors of unannounced products? Apple has the cult status and because of that people will always be looking for the latest rumors on their activities, and with that demand, there will always be websites willing to supply. This has been said before but, early announcements only cause trouble because they can often be met with delays/let downs. And then people (investors) have a real reason to be pissed off, because it actually came from Apple's mouth. If its coming from the rumor sites, people have no one to be pissed at but themselves for getting their hopes up for the stupid rumors in the first place.

[jmmdg6]

I just got a call from a friend who, will remain anonymous, who works at a computer store specializing in Apple products. He knows I've been waiting for months for an ibook update, so he thought he'd call and let me know that the store just got notified by Apple that NEW IBOOKS WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK!!! My friend is not the kind of guy to play with my heart strings, so unless someone was prank calling the store and somehow convinced the manager that they were an Apple rep, I'd say it's pretty certain that the update will be here before the end of next week.

Hooray!


I for one am going to stand beside Spellflower on this one and believe they are coming out next week. There are just too many rumors and hints circulating for it to not be next week. Spellflower and me can bask in the glory of the prospect of new ibooks while the rest of you can continue to complain and try to discredit these rumors, as you all seem to be so fond of this practice anyway.

On that same note, I am going to be a switcher when the ibooks do get refreshed but I want to know, are all Apple fans this jaded? No one believes anything they hear and everyone is so pessimistic. It seems like everyone wants to prove rumors wrong more than they want to believe in them. I am not saying that we have to be overly optimistic about a few small rumors, but can't we atleast take the facts as they come and analyze the situation to the best of our abilities?

[CoMpX]

I for one am going to stand beside Spellflower on this one and believe they are coming out next week. There are just too many rumors and hints circulating for it to not be next week. Spellflower and me can bask in the glory of the prospect of new ibooks while the rest of you can continue to complain and try to discredit these rumors, as you all seem to be so fond of this practice anyway.

On that same note, I am going to be a switcher when the ibooks do get refreshed but I want to know, are all Apple fans this jaded? No one believes anything they hear and everyone is so pessimistic. It seems like everyone wants to prove rumors wrong more than they want to believe in them. I am not saying that we have to be overly optimistic about a few small rumors, but can't we atleast take the facts as they come and analyze the situation to the best of our abilities?

I am with you guys as well. :) I couldn't have said it better myself jmmdg6! The only thing different about us is that I have already made the switch almost 2 months ago with a Mac mini. Man, you are going to love it!! It's great! I can wait to get my new Apple product - an Apple iBook G4! (updated of course!) :D

[drake]

I'm guessing tomorrow at 8:00am EST. Hey, my guess is as good as any other here. SJ.

[Mood]

And for those complaining about the suckiness of the G4, um... that's why they're moving to Intel.


IBM has low-voltage G5s that are equivalent to the Pentium Ms.

[Mood]

On that same note, I am going to be a switcher when the ibooks do get refreshed but I want to know, are all Apple fans this jaded? No one believes anything they hear and everyone is so pessimistic. It seems like everyone wants to prove rumors wrong more than they want to believe in them. I am not saying that we have to be overly optimistic about a few small rumors, but can't we atleast take the facts as they come and analyze the situation to the best of our abilities?


Average time for an ibook to be updated -158 days.
Number of days since the last update of the ibook - 274 days
Days overdue for an ibook update - 116.

i rest my case.

http://www.wsd.k12.wi.us/Students/images/Judge%20and%20CART.jpg

[Eevee]

IBM has low-voltage G5s that are equivalent to the Pentium Ms.

I don't think this is true. One rumor about swtiching to intel was that Apple was interested in the Pentium M chip.

http://www.macworld.com/2005/06/features/intelchips/index.php

Pentium M

Designed for: Laptops

Some think that the 32-bit Pentium M is what Apple was really after from Intel in the short term. The Pentium M isn’t based on the P4 core; it’s a separate animal that does a lot more work per clock cycle. Available in clock speeds from 1.5- to 2.13GHz, it easily outperforms the G4 found in Apple’s fastest notebooks and offers wonderfully parsimonious power consumption. Pentium M notebooks regularly last more than five hours on a single battery charge—something iBook and Powerbook users can currently only dream of.

[gamestriker]

IBM has low-voltage G5s that are equivalent to the Pentium Ms.

That means that the next set of Pentium Ms (codenamed "Yonah") that will likely be in the Mactel PowerBooks will be better than what a PowerBook G5 would be. The only thing it will be missing is 64-bit support, which is no big deal.

[CoMpX]

Pentium M notebooks regularly last more than five hours on a single battery charge—something iBook and Powerbook users can currently only dream of.

Umm...the last time I checked iBooks could last 6 hours on a single charge.
:confused: Where did that come from???

[deetschei]

I just picked it up!
12" combo drive iBook, 1.2G Crucial RAM, 80 G HD, and a free ipod! i love it i love it i love it. update be damned!

[mad jew]

Umm...the last time I checked iBooks could last 6 hours on a single charge.
:confused: Where did that come from???


That's only Apple's claim though. I still get about 4.5 to 5 hours on my iBook though.

[cooknwitha]

That's only Apple's claim though. I still get about 4.5 to 5 hours on my iBook though.

Much like I can get 5 hours from my Powerbook. Best I've got on continuous use is about 3.5 hours.

[Mood]

and the only pc laptops that go over 3.5 hours (all pc laptops get like 3.0-3.5 if carrying pentium m), are the ultraportables which get like 5 hours --- same as an ibook.


a new g4 lower wattage (for the ibook) and g5 lower wattage powerbook would kick ass

[gamestriker]

With low enough settings, you can pull off 5.5 hrs on an iBook.

[a2cute2control]

Isn't it pretty much believed that the iphone will be released Monday. WOuldn't it make sense to have something backing that up the next day, heance the ibook update.

[Mood]

who gives a damn about this 500,000,000 event. I don't. Only Amy does.

[Hattig]

A few people here have been saying that the G5 can do low power just as well as the Pentium M, and others have been saying that the Pentium M is better, etc.

A 90nm Pentium M has a TDP of 27W. However this does include their 2.1GHz Pentium Ms.

Now look on page 19 of http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/products/PowerPC_970_and_970FX_Microprocessors - PowerPC 970FX Datasheet

1.6GHz @ 1V = 21W maximum power use, typical 17W.

The G5 is still losing out on the typical however, I don't think it has the power states that the Pentium M has which allow it to get an average power consumption of 10W or thereabouts because it clocks down as well as cutting the voltage - clocking down to 600MHz and 0.8V or something can seriously reduce power consumption! If the G5 supported this, then you could see it dropping down to 1GHz at under 10W for a 1.6GHz+ G5.

Typically there are enough processors that could reach a speed grade or two higher than the documented speeds to feed Apple. So take that to mean 1.8GHz and 2.0GHz Power Optimised G5s.

Oh, and Intel's 64-bit Merom processor (follow up to Yonah) could be released as early as Q3 2006. Oddly enough, that matches reasonably well with the start of Apple's switch to Intel.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24788

[icarusflies]

If it takes this long for new ibooks to come out - it's not going to be out of date for a long time! (now I've said that they'll update in 4 months i bet!!!)

[macmanmatty]

There aren't and there will never be any new powerbooks / ibooks before the intel ones come out. Deal with it if you want one buy one now. Otherwise shut up and wait.

[Steadmuffin]

There aren't and there will never be any new powerbooks / ibooks before the intel ones come out. Deal with it if you want one buy one now. Otherwise shut up and wait.

I'd say there's a pretty good chance the iBooks will be updated before June 2006 . . .

[chucknorris]

There aren't and there will never be any new powerbooks / ibooks before the intel ones come out. Deal with it if you want one buy one now. Otherwise shut up and wait.

Hate to burst your venomous bubble, macmanmatty, but that's simply not true. Not by anyone's estimation. Things are looking quite good for next Tuesday...

[bodeh6]

There aren't and there will never be any new powerbooks / ibooks before the intel ones come out. Deal with it if you want one buy one now. Otherwise shut up and wait.

Yes there will 1 last revision for both the Powerbook and iBook before the Intel versions come out. Also expect the PowerMac and Mini to get Power PC upgrades soon as well. The next few weeks, we will see the iBook, Powerbook, and Mini updated followed by a late fall upgrade to the PowerMac. Anybody that does not think that these upgrades will occur is a fool.

[TaKashMoney]

I aint no fool. Bring on the updates!

[djkny]

Yes there will 1 last revision for both the Powerbook and iBook before the Intel versions come out. Also expect the PowerMac and Mini to get Power PC upgrades soon as well. The next few weeks, we will see the iBook, Powerbook, and Mini updated followed by a late fall upgrade to the PowerMac. Anybody that does not think that these upgrades will occur is a fool.

iBooks, maybe, but a PB update is wishful thinking. Hey, we can all hope and wish and wish. But it ain't happening. I want to be as optimistic as you, but PB's won't be updated until October at the earliest. They're supposed to be a "prosumer" computer so Apple could care less if they're out for sale for back-to-school season or not. PB's are rustic, museum pieces now. Let those suckers corrode until then.

[QCassidy352]

There aren't and there will never be any new powerbooks / ibooks before the intel ones come out. Deal with it if you want one buy one now. Otherwise shut up and wait.

It could be mid 2006 before the intel portables come out. You don't really think Apple would go 20 months without updating the ibooks, do you?