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Frankied22
Jul 7, 2012, 05:47 PM
Just look at how many iOS users are praising the new app "Launch Center Pro". There's even a thread on it showing off people's setups. It's essentially the closest thing you're going to get to a launcher on iOS, and people love it. A lot of people like customizing that stuff obviously. It's not just some weird small android niche of people.



matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 05:50 PM
Copy/Paste is always brought up this way as a pro-Android point. To me it's the perfect pro-iOS point. Yes, Android had copy/paste first. But it didn't actually work universally until more than a year after copy/paste came to iOS. It didn't even work with the email app! And reviews almost universally favored the iOS implementation to Android or WebOS.

To me, that's the clearest example of what the "Android has more features so it's clearly more advanced" argument is lacking.

That's only one example though. I think copy/paste is relatively equal now, but text positioning is a little better in iOS because of the magnifying glass. I wish Android had that, but I think Google would get Apple's wrath :p

THAT is an idea that I think is perfect for a patent, as it's really intuitive and not at all obvious. Given that I haven't seen anyone copy Apple, I suspect they do have a patent for that.

BaldiMac
Jul 7, 2012, 06:08 PM
Me too. Launchers and widgets are part of home screen customisation, however, and they do much more than simply look pretty. :)

Sure. But, like with multitasking, similar functionality that includes the most common use cases already exists in iOS. When I see the screen shots people post of their Android home screens, the most common widgets I see are clocks, weather, and twitter updates/headlines. On iOS the clock is obvious, and weather and twitter updates/headlines are a swipe away at any time in the notification center.

Meanwhile, I have room for 24 apps on my main home screen, including the ones that provide useful information in their badges.

It's a trade-off. On Android, apps are a swipe away. On iOS, widgety information is a swipe away. As I said before, apps are more important to me. Obviously, you prefer the other way. :)

I haven't taken time to look into what a launcher is, but the post after yours seems to think Launcher Pro provides similar functionality.

BaldiMac
Jul 7, 2012, 06:19 PM
That's only one example though.

Sure, but it was meant to illustrate a larger point. There are differences between having a feature and implementing it well.

Another example is messaging. Yes, Android has tons of messaging options including Google Talk. The problem is that everyone i know still uses text messaging almost exclusively on Android because they don't know which service the person they are texting is using.

iMessage, on the other hand, was implemented in such a way that it doesn't matter. If the recipient has an iPhone, you both save a text/MMS message.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 06:51 PM
Sure, but it was meant to illustrate a larger point. There are differences between having a feature and implementing it well.

Another example is messaging. Yes, Android has tons of messaging options including Google Talk. The problem is that everyone i know still uses text messaging almost exclusively on Android because they don't know which service the person they are texting is using.

iMessage, on the other hand, was implemented in such a way that it doesn't matter. If the recipient has an iPhone, you both save a text/MMS message.

Yea, iMessage is a godsend. No more limitations on how big a photo/video can be, no compression, integrated directly into the standard SMS app, no separate interface where I need to make sure I'm sign-in and remember a separate username and password.

Same with FaceTime, I use this daily with both techies and non-techies, yet I couldn't get these same people to use video-chat on Skype before FaceTime came out.

If you're just comparing the number of checkboxes on a list, without weighing each item appropriately, you're not seeing the full picture.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 06:59 PM
Sure. But, like with multitasking, similar functionality that includes the most common use cases already exists in iOS. When I see the screen shots people post of their Android home screens, the most common widgets I see are clocks, weather, and twitter updates/headlines. On iOS the clock is obvious, and weather and twitter updates/headlines are a swipe away at any time in the notification center.

Meanwhile, I have room for 24 apps on my main home screen, including the ones that provide useful information in their badges.

It's a trade-off. On Android, apps are a swipe away. On iOS, widgety information is a swipe away. As I said before, apps are more important to me. Obviously, you prefer the other way. :)

I haven't taken time to look into what a launcher is, but the post after yours seems to think Launcher Pro provides similar functionality.

Apps don't have to be a swipe away on Android. You can add up to 20 apps to a screen (including the dock) on Android. That's with the default launcher. You can add more than that with some of the other launchers. The point is you have the customisation potential to do whatever you want with your home screens. You want a grid of icons? You've got it. You want widgets? You've got them. You want them to be completely empty so you can admire your wallpaper? It's your choice. You can also put shortcuts to settings pages on the home screen, so you can simply tap rather than having to delve into the settings menu.

I gave an example earlier where the iOS multitasking doesn't cut it; when you're downloading something in the background, it will only do so for ten minutes. So when I'm saving my Spotify playlists so they can be used offline, after ten minutes it pauses the syncing process and I have to switch to Spotify again to get it to start again. This means I can't just simply start the syncing then leave the device alone.

A launcher basically replaces the entire home screen and can implement its' own functionality. For example, this is a 3D launcher for Android:

https://lh5.ggpht.com/Pvul5FCvg6efO8MQbwuu69rWEfjZu-TruQ6-WC4P1t6gD4qzYdBW-Emu8yjFNxw55Oo

https://lh5.ggpht.com/0TTyqmlMsKfqFvNGukq0jxhawuMzRJCXmHQ5X_odlO7gsNS_EZhBXwkv3dPKC7nhkiZz

Personally I don't like that one, but it demonstrates what can be done.

Launchers are the home screens themselves. They can implement their own transition effects between screens, they can decide what can be added to each home screen, they can choose how many home screens there are, they can choose what widgets to support and how many icons can fit on the screen, etc etc. You can also get ones that support gestures, so for example I could swipe downwards on any part of the home screen to bring down the notification bar. :)

Sure, but it was meant to illustrate a larger point. There are differences between having a feature and implementing it well.

Another example is messaging. Yes, Android has tons of messaging options including Google Talk. The problem is that everyone i know still uses text messaging almost exclusively on Android because they don't know which service the person they are texting is using.

iMessage, on the other hand, was implemented in such a way that it doesn't matter. If the recipient has an iPhone, you both save a text/MMS message.

Yep - another example iOS is better at :) I've long said that Android needs an iMessage equivalent.

Whatsapp is probably the most popular on Android but it's not built into stock Android, so it's not going to penetrate the market as much.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 07:10 PM
Yea, iMessage is a godsend. No more limitations on how big a photo/video can be, no compression, integrated directly into the standard SMS app, no separate interface where I need to make sure I'm sign-in and remember a separate username and password.

Same with FaceTime, I use this daily with both techies and non-techies, yet I couldn't get these same people to use video-chat on Skype before FaceTime came out.

If you're just comparing the number of checkboxes on a list, without weighing each item appropriately, you're not seeing the full picture.

Most messaging apps have auto-signin features, so having to remember passwords is not necessary. The only difference between using Skype and Facetime is really clicking on Skype instead of Facetime. It's no more or less complicated to use one than the other.

You act like Apple's solution is oh so much more user friendly than the alternatives, when it's not really that much more so - only that it integrates with your Apple ID.

404 tech junkie
Jul 7, 2012, 07:14 PM
Sure. But, like with multitasking, similar functionality that includes the most common use cases already exists in iOS. When I see the screen shots people post of their Android home screens, the most common widgets I see are clocks, weather, and twitter updates/headlines. On iOS the clock is obvious, and weather and twitter updates/headlines are a swipe away at any time in the notification center.

Meanwhile, I have room for 24 apps on my main home screen, including the ones that provide useful information in their badges.

It's a trade-off. On Android, apps are a swipe away. On iOS, widgety information is a swipe away. As I said before, apps are more important to me. Obviously, you prefer the other way. :)

I haven't taken time to look into what a launcher is, but the post after yours seems to think Launcher Pro provides similar functionality.

I have to disagree about it being a trade off. On Android, if I want a screen full of icons, I can easily do that. If I want a more functional screen, I can do that. On iOS (without jailbreaking), there's only one choice, and that's the screen full of icons.
Here's my main home screen, as you can see, there is a bit of information there. I have time and weather on the left. If I tap it, it will give me a full forecast. The date and time is there, and they both serve as shortcuts. Tapping the time takes me to the alarm clock, and tapping the date takes me to my calendar. Also on that screen, I have a ticker that shows me forex market news (I can scroll through and see the headlines) that shows me notable events of the day. The main screen also shows if there is any traffic and commute time for both home and work.
On the screen to the left of the main screen, I have some of my more frequently used apps, and a calendar widget displaying my schedule. On the screen to the right of my home screen, I have a widget displaying local news, and a Google Voice widget. The Google Voice widget is scrollable, and shows my voicemails in text format along with any text messages on my Google Voice number. It also has a control on the bottom right of it, that allows me to turn on Google Voice dialing if I would like to use it.

On an iPhone, to get all the information and functionality I have on my home screen, or within a swipe of it, I'd have to type in two different addresses one by one in Maps to check the traffic on my way to work or home. I'd have to swipe down to get the weather, then open a news app and wait for the headlines for local news and the forex market to be downloaded. Then I'd have to open my calendar to see my schedule. Then I'd have to open the Google Voice app (or visual voicemail depending on which one you use) to check my voicemails. There isn't even a way to turn on Google Voice dialing in iOS, so there's no comparison for that. The only similarities would be that on iOS I can put my most used apps on the first page so I can access them quickly.
Side Note: I also have an expandable news ticker on my lock screen. So I can get news just by turning the screen on, as opposed to having to unlock the phone, go to my news app of choice, wait for news to be downloaded, then reading it.

Vegastouch
Jul 7, 2012, 07:18 PM
Apps don't have to be a swipe away on Android. You can add up to 20 apps to a screen (including the dock) on Android. That's with the default launcher. You can add more than that with some of the other launchers. The point is you have the customisation potential to do whatever you want with your home screens. You want a grid of icons? You've got it. You want widgets? You've got them. You want them to be completely empty so you can admire your wallpaper? It's your choice. You can also put shortcuts to settings pages on the home screen, so you can simply tap rather than having to delve into the settings menu.

I gave an example earlier where the iOS multitasking doesn't cut it; when you're downloading something in the background, it will only do so for ten minutes. So when I'm saving my Spotify playlists so they can be used offline, after ten minutes it pauses the syncing process and I have to switch to Spotify again to get it to start again. This means I can't just simply start the syncing then leave the device alone.

A launcher basically replaces the entire home screen and can implement its' own functionality. For example, this is a 3D launcher for Android:

Image (https://lh5.ggpht.com/Pvul5FCvg6efO8MQbwuu69rWEfjZu-TruQ6-WC4P1t6gD4qzYdBW-Emu8yjFNxw55Oo)

Image (https://lh5.ggpht.com/0TTyqmlMsKfqFvNGukq0jxhawuMzRJCXmHQ5X_odlO7gsNS_EZhBXwkv3dPKC7nhkiZz)

Personally I don't like that one, but it demonstrates what can be done.

Launchers are the home screens themselves. They can implement their own transition effects between screens, they can decide what can be added to each home screen, they can choose how many home screens there are, they can choose what widgets to support and how many icons can fit on the screen, etc etc. You can also get ones that support gestures, so for example I could swipe downwards on any part of the home screen to bring down the notification bar. :)



Yep - another example iOS is better at :) I've long said that Android needs an iMessage equivalent.

Whatsapp is probably the most popular on Android but it's not built into stock Android, so it's not going to penetrate the market as much.

+1 Launchers are great. As you said, Launchers are your home screen(s) and then you tap the Apps button in the middle of your dock and then you see all your apps. Launchers you set up the ones you use the most, how you want and give it your own look with or without widgets. I use some widgets but i dont go crazy.

Im using Apex ans Nova right now but think ill stick with Nova. Perhaps give Go Launcher a try unless you know of one that is a must try. (Ive used launcher pro and ADW often already)

ahfu25
Jul 7, 2012, 07:27 PM
From what I've seen, the S3 does not have a good camera at all. The dynamic range is very bad, with highlights consistently blown out, where the iPhone 4S shows additional detail in those areas.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/hjlnTl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/TsqRPl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/br7BCl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/saT2Ol.png)

Those pictures look horrible...lol... I can take better pictures with my old blackberry. I'm taking pictures with both phones of identical sceneries... My galaxy s3 pictures look better than my iPhone 4S pictures. Videos as well.

Shockwave78
Jul 7, 2012, 07:32 PM
Those pictures look horrible...lol... I can take better pictures with my old blackberry. I'm taking pictures with both phones of identical sceneries... My galaxy s3 pictures look better than my iPhone 4S pictures. Videos as well.

HDR was not turned on in the pics taken with the s3 there. They were with the iPhone and it is quite obvious. The 4s would have taken the same pics as the s3 did if HDR was not on. By default HDR is turned off on the s3

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 07:34 PM
+1 Launchers are great. As you said, Launchers are your home screen(s) and then you tap the Apps button in the middle of your dock and then you see all your apps. Launchers you set up the ones you use the most, how you want and give it your own look with or without widgets. I use some widgets but i dont go crazy.

Im using Apex ans Nova right now but think ill stick with Nova. Perhaps give Go Launcher a try unless you know of one that is a must try. (Ive used launcher pro and ADW often already)

Apex is my favourite :p

I'm sticking with Touchwiz for now though, it's the first version of Touchwiz I actually think enhances the user experience!

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 07:40 PM
Most messaging apps have auto-signin features, so having to remember passwords is not necessary. The only difference between using Skype and Facetime is really clicking on Skype instead of Facetime. It's no more or less complicated to use one than the other.

You act like Apple's solution is oh so much more user friendly than the alternatives, when it's not really that much more so - only that it integrates with your Apple ID.

If Skype were integrated into the OS, I never had to generate a separate username and password, it reliably kept me logged in 24/7, and I could seamlessly push one button to transition from a normal call to a video call *while on the phone*, and have it connect within a few seconds, they would be equivalent.

As it is now, the people I want to video chat with are never online, I have to call and ask them to login first, which for some reason always takes forever, I sometimes think I'm online when I've somehow been logged out, the video quality isn't as good for some reason, I have to remember which Skype username corresponds to which person, since everyone decides to have their own crazy username...

it's just something else to manage. With FaceTime you don't have to manage anything, a video call is one button away. Like BaldiMac said, it's all about the implementation.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 07:46 PM
If Skype were integrated into the OS, I never had to generate a separate username and password, it reliably kept me logged in 24/7, and I could seamlessly push one button to transition from a normal call to a video call *while on the phone*, and have it connect within a few seconds, they would be equivalent.

As it is now, the people I want to video chat with are never online, I have to call and ask them to login first, which for some reason always takes forever, I sometimes think I'm online when I've somehow been logged out, the video quality isn't as good for some reason, I have to remember which Skype username corresponds to which person, since everyone decides to have their own crazy username...

it's just something else to manage. With FaceTime you don't have to manage anything, a video call is one button away. Like BaldiMac said, it's all about the implementation.

And if you want to video chat with non-iOS/mac users? Surely not all of your friends have macs or iDevices.

I prefer to stick with multi-platform apps where possible.

Azadre
Jul 7, 2012, 07:46 PM
If Skype were integrated into the OS, I never had to generate a separate username and password, it reliably kept me logged in 24/7, and I could seamlessly push one button to transition from a normal call to a video call *while on the phone*, and have it connect within a few seconds, they would be equivalent.

As it is now, the people I want to video chat with are never online, I have to call and ask them to login first, which for some reason always takes forever, I sometimes think I'm online when I've somehow been logged out, the video quality isn't as good for some reason, I have to remember which Skype username corresponds to which person, since everyone decides to have their own crazy username...

it's just something else to manage. With FaceTime you don't have to manage anything, a video call is one button away. Like BaldiMac said, it's all about the implementation.

I think that is a selling point of WP8.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 07:55 PM
HDR was not turned on in the pics taken with the s3 there. They were with the iPhone and it is quite obvious. The 4s would have taken the same pics as the s3 did if HDR was not on. By default HDR is turned off on the s3

You know it looks bad when it seems the iPhone has HDR activated and the S3 does not :)

Here is the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDnk82G0mzY

You'll notice the audio is much better on the iPhone 4S as well.

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I think that is a selling point of WP8.

If they can pull it off, that'd be pretty nice!

Unfortunately, unless everyone else also has a Windows phone, they'll have the same issues I described on their end. All my close friends and family have either an iPhone, an iPad, or both, so FaceTime works perfectly for me. Luckily I don't have to deal with Skype anymore :)

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
You know it looks bad when it seems the iPhone has HDR activated and the S3 does not :)

Here is the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDnk82G0mzY

You'll notice the audio is much better on the iPhone 4S as well.

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If they can pull it off, that'd be pretty nice!

Unfortunately, unless everyone else also has a Windows phone, they'll have the same issues I described on their end. All my close friends and family have either an iPhone, an iPad, or both, so FaceTime works perfectly for me. Luckily I don't have to deal with Skype anymore :)

One bit where the Galaxy S3 shined in that video is when he moved in close on the grass. Why is the S3 better in that scenario?

Genuine question :p Trying to learn more about photography.

BaldiMac
Jul 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
Apps don't have to be a swipe away on Android. You can add up to 20 apps to a screen (including the dock) on Android. That's with the default launcher. You can add more than that with some of the other launchers. The point is you have the customisation potential to do whatever you want with your home screens. You want a grid of icons? You've got it. You want widgets? You've got them. You want them to be completely empty so you can admire your wallpaper? It's your choice. You can also put shortcuts to settings pages on the home screen, so you can simply tap rather than having to delve into the settings menu.

Absolutely. But that wasn't my point. You can have 20 apps on your home screen OR widgets. Once you get away from your primary home screen, the difference between accessing the data on an alternate home screen or in an app become minimized.

Again, obviously Android has many, many more ways to customize the device. If that is your thing, it's the obvious choice. If you like to tinker with ROMs and hack on additional functionality, it's the obvious choice.

I was just pointing out that the most popular use cases for widgets are easily accessible on iOS as well.

I gave an example earlier where the iOS multitasking doesn't cut it; when you're downloading something in the background, it will only do so for ten minutes. So when I'm saving my Spotify playlists so they can be used offline, after ten minutes it pauses the syncing process and I have to switch to Spotify again to get it to start again. This means I can't just simply start the syncing then leave the device alone.

Yep. But the trade off is obvious.

Most messaging apps have auto-signin features, so having to remember passwords is not necessary. The only difference between using Skype and Facetime is really clicking on Skype instead of Facetime. It's no more or less complicated to use one than the other.

You act like Apple's solution is oh so much more user friendly than the alternatives, when it's not really that much more so - only that it integrates with your Apple ID.

You dismiss the last part like it's unimportant! Just like iMessage, the difference is that people actual use FaceTime!*

*FaceTime over 3G being the major, soon to be implemented, fly in the ointment. :)

I have to disagree about it being a trade off. On Android, if I want a screen full of icons, I can easily do that. If I want a more functional screen, I can do that. On iOS (without jailbreaking), there's only one choice, and that's the screen full of icons.

The tradeoff that I was referring to is between apps and widgets on one screen. Adding a widget will displace apps.

Here's my main home screen, as you can see, there is a bit of information there. I have time and weather on the left. If I tap it, it will give me a full forecast. The date and time is there, and they both serve as shortcuts. Tapping the time takes me to the alarm clock, and tapping the date takes me to my calendar.

Time is also on the home screen in iOS, weather is in the notification center. My clock and weather app are also on my home screen for one click access. My schedule is available in the notification center.

Also on that screen, I have a ticker that shows me forex market news (I can scroll through and see the headlines) that shows me notable events of the day.

I get the same thing through notifications and the notification center.

The main screen also shows if there is any traffic and commute time for both home and work.

Interesting! But not a popular use case. :) Personally, I wouldn't use my home screen for something that I use at most twice a day and hardly ever changes during the usual times I commute. Traffic alerts seem more useful.

On the screen to the left of the main screen, I have some of my more frequently used apps, and a calendar widget displaying my schedule. On the screen to the right of my home screen, I have a widget displaying local news, and a Google Voice widget. The Google Voice widget is scrollable, and shows my voicemails in text format along with any text messages on my Google Voice number. It also has a control on the bottom right of it, that allows me to turn on Google Voice dialing if I would like to use it.

:) I also use Google Voice, and I have never actually gotten a voicemail transcription that was useful. :D Again, everything else is available in notification center.

On an iPhone, to get all the information and functionality I have on my home screen, or within a swipe of it, I'd have to type in two different addresses one by one in Maps to check the traffic on my way to work or home. I'd have to swipe down to get the weather, then open a news app and wait for the headlines for local news and the forex market to be downloaded. Then I'd have to open my calendar to see my schedule. Then I'd have to open the Google Voice app (or visual voicemail depending on which one you use) to check my voicemails. There isn't even a way to turn on Google Voice dialing in iOS, so there's no comparison for that. The only similarities would be that on iOS I can put my most used apps on the first page so I can access them quickly.
Side Note: I also have an expandable news ticker on my lock screen. So I can get news just by turning the screen on, as opposed to having to unlock the phone, go to my news app of choice, wait for news to be downloaded, then reading it.

You overstated almost everything here. Traffic alerts are available for a specific commute. Ask Siri about traffic on the way home. No addresses required. Your calendar for the next 24 hours is available in notification center. Recent headlines from your source of choice are available in notification center and on the lock screen.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:07 PM
Absolutely. But that wasn't my point. You can have 20 apps on your home screen OR widgets. Once you get away from your primary home screen, the difference between accessing the data on an alternate home screen or in an app become minimized.

Not completely. If you had an app on one of your latter home screens on iOS, you have to scroll through each page to get there (or use Spotlight), but with Android you can pinch to open up helicopter view and jump to any screen you like, thus making it easier to get to any screen.

Android is obviously better in this regard. Widgets are there if you want them, but if you don't you can still have pages full of apps, only you can access each page more quickly.


Again, obviously Android has many, many more ways to customize the device. If that is your thing, it's the obvious choice. If you like to tinker with ROMs and hack on additional functionality, it's the obvious choice.[/qupte]

Agreed.

[QUOTE=BaldiMac;15204018]I was just pointing out that the most popular use cases for widgets are easily accessible on iOS as well.

Widgets that toggle settings are very popular too, and iOS doesn't have those.

The iPad doesn't have the Facebook/Twitter widgets in the notification bar. :(

Yep. But the trade off is obvious.

Guessing you mean battery life? There's a solution for that - put a bigger battery in the phone! Arbitrarily limiting tasks so that they can only run for ten minutes to conserve battery life is such a cop out. If I went to run my battery into the ground it should be my prerogative. iOS sometimes caters for the technophobes TOO much.


You dismiss the last part like it's unimportant! Just like iMessage, the difference is that people actual use FaceTime!*

*FaceTime over 3G being the major, soon to be implemented, fly in the ointment. :)

It kinda is unimportant. I've had Skype on my iPad for months and I've only ever had to log in once. :confused: It's also multi-platform so I can speak to people using a PC, Android phone, Windows Phone, etc. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I'll give you iMessage :p

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 08:10 PM
One bit where the Galaxy S3 shined in that video is when he moved in close on the grass. Why is the S3 better in that scenario?

Genuine question :p Trying to learn more about photography.

Don't worry Matttye, I know you don't troll :p

Are you referring to this scene:

http://i.imgur.com/hjlnTl.jpg

That's actually one of the worst scenes of the bunch in terms of dynamic range. The sky is completely blown out in a bright white, showing no gradient in the color of the sky, and causing a blooming effect that's overpowering some of the leaves.

If you're referring to focus, the S3 is focused on the leaves, while the iPhone 4S is focused on the building above the leaves. Since he's so close to the leaves, the two phones have a different perspective, as the S3's view of the building is blocked. Can't say much here.

If you're referring to the colors being less bright, that's a byproduct of the iPhone 4S not blowing out the sky, it made the whole scene a bit darker to allow a more even tone. My DSLR would've done the same thing, while using the flash as a fill-light for the foreground. Of course my DSLR flash is a bit more powerful than the LED light on today's mobile phones :D

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:14 PM
Don't worry Matttye, I know you don't troll :p

Are you referring to this scene:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/hjlnTl.jpg)

That's actually one of the worst scenes of the bunch in terms of dynamic range. The sky is completely blown out in a bright white, showing no gradient in the color of the sky, and causing a blooming effect that's overpowering some of the leaves.

If you're referring to focus, the S3 is focused on the leaves, while the iPhone 4S is focused on the building above the leaves. Since he's so close to the leaves, the two phones have a different perspective, as the S3's view of the building is blocked. Can't say much here.

If you're referring to the colors being less bright, that's a byproduct of the iPhone 4S not blowing out the sky, it made the whole scene a bit darker to allow a more even tone. My DSLR would've done the same thing, while using the flash as a fill-light for the foreground. Of course my DSLR flash is a bit more powerful than the LED light on today's mobile phones :D

I was referring to the grass looking better, but like you say it's probably just the focus.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:21 PM
Hmm my phone doesn't seem to blow out the sky as shown in many S3 pics. Maybe different firmware or maybe just because it wasn't as bright a day?

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ahfu25
Jul 7, 2012, 08:27 PM
HDR was not turned on in the pics taken with the s3 there. They were with the iPhone and it is quite obvious. The 4s would have taken the same pics as the s3 did if HDR was not on. By default HDR is turned off on the s3

HDR on or off...I have 20/20 vision and when I take pictures with both phones my eyes like the pictures taken on the GS3. Im not taking anything away from the iPhone. Im one that likes both iOS and Android equally. When it comes to cell phones there is no superior imo. Laptops...Apple all the way...But there are too many good phones out now to say one is better at everything compared to the rest. Some are easier to use and thats the key with iOS and what I like most about it. iPhone 5 I will own as well...I like apples and oranges :)

404 tech junkie
Jul 7, 2012, 08:30 PM
Time is also on the home screen in iOS, weather is in the notification center. My clock and weather app are also on my home screen for one click access. My schedule is available in the notification center.

Time is a non-issue (unless you just want it to look nicer lol). Every phone shows the time. As for you talking about one click access. Mine brings up an overlay showing the forecast, but I never actually leave the home screen. I'll address the schedule thing further down.


Interesting! But not a popular use case. :) Personally, I wouldn't use my home screen for something that I use at most twice a day and hardly ever changes during the usual times I commute. Traffic alerts seem more useful.

Popular or not, it's there and available, whereas on iOS I don't even have the choice of doing so. Traffic alerts are fine, but I have the OPTION of having this information available to me as soon as I unlock my phone. BTW, I'm not sure where you live, but in Atlanta, during rush hour if you have alerts, you'd be constantly getting alerted. I'd much rather just look at the traffic when I'm ready to look at it.



:) I also use Google Voice, and I have never actually gotten a voicemail transcription that was useful. :D Again, everything else is available in notification center.

Google Voice's transcription is FAR from perfect lol. But typically, it gets it correct enough that I can know what the voicemail is about. Also, it's very useful to be able to turn my Google Voice number on when I want to (I don't like using the "ask me each time option"). Toggling from the widget is WAY faster than doing it in the app, as it is buried in the options menu inside the app.


You overstated almost everything here. Traffic alerts are available for a specific commute. Ask Siri about traffic on the way home. No addresses required. Your calendar for the next 24 hours is available in notification center. Recent headlines from your source of choice are available in notification center and on the lock screen.
I don't think I overstated anything. What I showed is how I have the CHOICE of functionality as opposed to no choice at all. Asking Siri about traffic isn't the same as having something that constantly monitors the traffic. As for the calendar, seeing the next 24 hours is not the same as seeing my upcoming week. If someone asks you, "what are you doing wednesday", you won't be able to just glance in the notification center and tell them. I can just unlock my phone and look at the screen to the right and tell them if I'm free or not. Recent headlines in the notification panel is a sloppy implementation quite frankly. The way I'm set up, I get whatever particular news I want to by looking at that particular ticker, and scrolling through it. The same functionality cannot be said for the notification center. The functionality is not the same, nor is the trade off like you mentioned. My apps are one tap away, whereas all the information I have available on my home screens would require you to go to several different places in your phone to get what I get in mine just by unlocking it.
You'd be opening your calendar to see your week, asking Siri for traffic information, looking in the notification panel for the weather, having to sift through unwanted news to get to the topic you're wanting to see (as opposed to only seeing local news when you want local, hence the different tickers). BTW, I didn't even mention my other two screens, one of which is a multimedia screen, I have widgets to control Pandora (including thumbs up and down), googe music, and tune in Radio. I can control all those from my home screen. So if I want to turn on some music, I can just swipe over and hit play on any of those widgets, whereas you'd have to go to those individual apps to do so.
In summary (yes this is a tad redundant), to get the same functionality I have on my home screens, you'd be opening your calendar, asking Siri about traffic, going to the notification panel for weather, sifting through mixed in news topics, opening visual voicemail to check your messages, then going to pandora (or whatever music player you chose to use) to turn on music. That's an awful lot of trouble to go through just to have the same functionality, when it could be right there easily accessible all at once.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 08:31 PM
Most messaging apps have auto-signin features, so having to remember passwords is not necessary. The only difference between using Skype and Facetime is really clicking on Skype instead of Facetime. It's no more or less complicated to use one than the other.

You act like Apple's solution is oh so much more user friendly than the alternatives, when it's not really that much more so - only that it integrates with your Apple ID.

I have a small group of about 6 people I use FaceTime with. There was 0 setup required, we push one button and we're in a video call.

In order for me to have the same with Skype, we would have to:

1. Create 6 usernames and passwords.

2. Make sure we are constantly logged in, which has proved to be unreliable for at least two of us (Google search and see all the people complaining about this).

3. Share the 6 usernames with everyone else, and have each person add the other 5 usernames to their "buddy list". That's 30 requests to send out in total.

4. Have each person accept the friend request to add to their "buddy list". Another 30 confirmations in total.

5. If we're currently on a call and would like to start a video chat, we must exit out of the phone app, find Skype, open Skype, remember the username of the person we're talking to, select that username, then hit Video Chat and hope they haven't inadvertently been logged off.

6. And after all that, we're stuck with less quality and more laggy video :(

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:36 PM
I have a small group of about 6 people I use FaceTime with. There was 0 setup required, we push one button and we're in a video call.

In order for me to have the same with Skype, we would have to:

1. Create 6 usernames and passwords.

2. Make sure we are constantly logged in, which has proved to be unreliable for at least two of us (Google search and see all the people complaining about this).

3. Share the 6 usernames with everyone else, and have each person add the other 5 usernames to their "buddy list". That's 30 requests to send out in total.

4. Have each person accept the friend request to add to their "buddy list". Another 30 confirmations in total.

5. If we're currently on a call and would like to start a video chat, we must exit out of the phone app, find Skype, open Skype, remember the username of the person we're talking to, select that username, then hit Video Chat and hope they haven't inadvertently been logged off.

6. And after all that, we're stuck with less quality and more laggy video :(

Fair enough. I video chat to only one person, so I use Skype so that I have a larger choice of what I want to use.

You present a shining scenario until one of your six friends sells their iDevice and buys something else. You're not going to be able to use Facetime then, that's the only problem :p

Whilst I do think a lot of Apple's apps and services work really well, I avoid them because of the lack of portability. iBooks for example is my favourite books app, but if I sell my iPad and get something else I'm basically SOL if I want to read the books I've purchased. Amazon Kindle will work on more platforms.

Vegastouch
Jul 7, 2012, 09:01 PM
I have a small group of about 6 people I use FaceTime with. There was 0 setup required, we push one button and we're in a video call.

In order for me to have the same with Skype, we would have to:

1. Create 6 usernames and passwords.

2. Make sure we are constantly logged in, which has proved to be unreliable for at least two of us (Google search and see all the people complaining about this).

3. Share the 6 usernames with everyone else, and have each person add the other 5 usernames to their "buddy list". That's 30 requests to send out in total.

4. Have each person accept the friend request to add to their "buddy list". Another 30 confirmations in total.

5. If we're currently on a call and would like to start a video chat, we must exit out of the phone app, find Skype, open Skype, remember the username of the person we're talking to, select that username, then hit Video Chat and hope they haven't inadvertently been logged off.

6. And after all that, we're stuck with less quality and more laggy video :(
Yep facetime is better. I've never had a phone that can do that til now and even if I had a iPhone for that, I'm not sure how much I would use it. It is something that seems to not get used much . But, like other apps android has, it would be nice to have the better platform.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 09:08 PM
Hmm my phone doesn't seem to blow out the sky as shown in many S3 pics. Maybe different firmware or maybe just because it wasn't as bright a day?

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Hey, nice shots! Yea, either your phone is different, or the brightness difference wasn't large enough to blow out the sky.

Zaft
Jul 7, 2012, 09:09 PM
I have a small group of about 6 people I use FaceTime with. There was 0 setup required, we push one button and we're in a video call.

In order for me to have the same with Skype, we would have to:

1. Create 6 usernames and passwords.

2. Make sure we are constantly logged in, which has proved to be unreliable for at least two of us (Google search and see all the people complaining about this).

3. Share the 6 usernames with everyone else, and have each person add the other 5 usernames to their "buddy list". That's 30 requests to send out in total.

4. Have each person accept the friend request to add to their "buddy list". Another 30 confirmations in total.

5. If we're currently on a call and would like to start a video chat, we must exit out of the phone app, find Skype, open Skype, remember the username of the person we're talking to, select that username, then hit Video Chat and hope they haven't inadvertently been logged off.

6. And after all that, we're stuck with less quality and more laggy video :(

thats the whole apple approach. make it as easy as possible.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 09:15 PM
Fair enough. I video chat to only one person, so I use Skype so that I have a larger choice of what I want to use.

You present a shining scenario until one of your six friends sells their iDevice and buys something else. You're not going to be able to use Facetime then, that's the only problem :p

Whilst I do think a lot of Apple's apps and services work really well, I avoid them because of the lack of portability. iBooks for example is my favourite books app, but if I sell my iPad and get something else I'm basically SOL if I want to read the books I've purchased. Amazon Kindle will work on more platforms.

There are ways to transfer iBooks to the Kindle and other devices, a quick Google Search should point you in the right direction :)

Of course, that probably only applies to plain-text books. I'm not aware of any other book platforms that have the interactivity of iBooks however, so that's probably Apple Exclusive right now anyway.

jeffe
Jul 7, 2012, 11:21 PM
There are ways to transfer iBooks to the Kindle and other devices, a quick Google Search should point you in the right direction :)


I searched and it looks like you somehow have to crack Apple's DRM in order to transfer your ibooks on to another device. I'm not really sure how you would do that..it sounds complicated. This is actually the reason why I stopped purchasing digital content from apple a long ago once Amazon started selling DRM free mp3's...at that time it was just simpler and allowed more flexibility.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 11:32 PM
I searched and it looks like you somehow have to crack Apple's DRM in order to transfer your ibooks on to another device. I'm not really sure how you would do that..it sounds complicated. This is actually the reason why I stopped purchasing digital content from apple a long ago once Amazon started selling DRM free mp3's...at that time it was just simpler and allowed more flexibility.

Pretty much yes, you have to crack the DRM. Unfortunately, it seems even the Kindle store has the DRM issue, so they can't be shared either if the Kindle store goes under. Hopefully ebook DRM will soon go the way of music DRM :)

404 tech junkie
Jul 7, 2012, 11:38 PM
Pretty much yes, you have to crack the DRM. Unfortunately, it seems even the Kindle store has the DRM issue, so they can't be shared either if the Kindle store goes under. Hopefully ebook DRM will soon go the way of music DRM :)

I think what he means is, he can use the Kindle app on other platforms and have access to his books.

DodgeV83
Jul 7, 2012, 11:47 PM
I think what he means is, he can use the Kindle app on other platforms and have access to his books.

Yea I know, and I agree that's an advantage, and if it ever gets to the point where I'm trying to figure out how to remove DRM on my books, it's going to be a pain in the butt. For now, however, iBooks is just too good to pass up for me. The Kindle app isn't on par yet.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 12:33 AM
I think what he means is, he can use the Kindle app on other platforms and have access to his books.

This is correct...I'm likely to switch platforms and devices as time progresses so flexibility is important to me. The Nexus 7 might be picked up by some IOS users and AFAIK they won't be able to access the IOS cloud from those devices and that is the type of situation I'd like to avoid.

On the flip side, I can pick up an IOS phone/tablet or a even a Windows phone and be sync'd up and use Google/Amazon apps to access to the majority of my content fairly quickly in a nice interface...and probably sooner than later I'll probably be able to have full access to everything regardless of the platform.

Edit: Does the Itunes icloud allow you to stream music from a web browser?

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 05:53 AM
Pretty much yes, you have to crack the DRM. Unfortunately, it seems even the Kindle store has the DRM issue, so they can't be shared either if the Kindle store goes under. Hopefully ebook DRM will soon go the way of music DRM :)

It's mainly just the fact that I can use kindle on just about any platform. I don't want to sell my iPad and can't see myself doing so in the near future, but I want to know that if I did, the content I had bought (with the exception of apps) would still be available to me.

Apple creates so many things that only work for their own platform to try and lock you in. Google on the other hand make their stuff for multiple platforms, not just their own. Google maps (until iOS 6 launches), Google books, Google sync etc, all available and officially supported for iOS even though it's a rival platform. Others like Amazon do the same.

I see people say that the reason they won't switch from iOS is because they're too invested in the platform. Well that won't happen to me because I use multi-platform solutions whenever possible, even if they are a little more work to set up. If you and your friends ever left iOS for something else, you'd have to find and set up a completely new way to video chat. I wouldn't. You would have to crack the DRM on your books. I wouldn't.

I would rather keep my options open than go with the simplicity route. For a few extra minutes of initial setup, you'll see yourself a big headache in the future if you ever go elsewhere.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 05:55 AM
This is correct...I'm likely to switch platforms and devices as time progresses so flexibility is important to me. The Nexus 7 might be picked up by some IOS users and AFAIK they won't be able to access the IOS cloud from those devices and that is the type of situation I'd like to avoid.

On the flip side, I can pick up an IOS phone/tablet or a even a Windows phone and be sync'd up and use Google/Amazon apps to access to the majority of my content fairly quickly in a nice interface...and probably sooner than later I'll probably be able to have full access to everything regardless of the platform.

Edit: Does the Itunes icloud allow you to stream music from a web browser?

You can use iCloud on Android with third party apps, but I don't know how official they are and whether or not they'll be blocked at some point. I would think Google themselves would support it if Apple officially supported it on other platforms.

DroidNoMore
Jul 8, 2012, 07:18 AM
I think it's difficult to compare a phone that is 1 year old to a brand new phone.

daveathall
Jul 8, 2012, 07:46 AM
I have both a 4S and a S3, I used a upgrade (My wife's) to get the S3, IMHO and for what I use it for it is the better phone out of the two. I still have my upgrade to use on the iPhone 5 if required, but it will need to be significantly better than the iPhone 4S for it to equal or make me change from the S3.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 07:47 AM
I think it's difficult to compare a phone that is 1 year old to a brand new phone.

You have to compare the newest phones at the time. When the iPhone 6 comes out (assuming October), the S3 will be 5 months old :p

cshama
Jul 8, 2012, 07:54 AM
I have both a 4S and a S3, I used a upgrade (My wires) to get the S3, IMHO and for what I use it for it is the better phone out of the two. I still have my upgrade to use on the iPhone 5 if required, but it will need to be significantly better than the iPhone 4S for it to make me change from the S3.

I feel exactly the same. I used to be Apple 100% but the S3 works better for me. The screen size is by far the biggest factor but it also turned out to be much more fun.

outz
Jul 8, 2012, 09:18 AM
I have both a 4S and a S3, I used a upgrade (My wife's) to get the S3, IMHO and for what I use it for it is the better phone out of the two. I still have my upgrade to use on the iPhone 5 if required, but it will need to be significantly better than the iPhone 4S for it to equal or make me change from the S3.

haha, i stole my wifes upgrade and got an s3 too. my 4s has been sitting powered off for over a week now. my line isnt upgradable till next summer... so hopefully the new iphone isnt that good :D

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 10:07 AM
I see people say that the reason they won't switch from iOS is because they're too invested in the platform. Well that won't happen to me because I use multi-platform solutions whenever possible, even if they are a little more work to set up. If you and your friends ever left iOS for something else, you'd have to find and set up a completely new way to video chat. I wouldn't. You would have to crack the DRM on your books. I wouldn't.

I would rather keep my options open than go with the simplicity route. For a few extra minutes of initial setup, you'll see yourself a big headache in the future if you ever go elsewhere.

I don't understand this mindset. If someone leaves the ecosystem, you'll have to deal with the headache no matter what, you're just saying you'd rather deal with it initially instead of down the line when they switch. You aren't removing the "headache factor", you're just putting it all up-front.

Even worse, you're also including them in your headache, as they'd have to deal with the headache of your third-party solution, even though they have a better first-party solution available.

Why not just use whatever is best at the given time, then switch if you need to?

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 10:25 AM
I don't understand this mindset. If someone leaves the ecosystem, you'll have to deal with the headache no matter what, you're just saying you'd rather deal with it initially instead of down the line when they switch. You aren't removing the "headache factor", you're just putting it all up-front.

Even worse, you're also including them in your headache, as they'd have to deal with the headache of your third-party solution, even though they have a better first-party solution available.

Why not just use whatever is best at the given time, then switch if you need to?

I could switch ten times and use Skype on every platform. Not so with any first party solution.

I don't consider it a headache either, it takes less than five minutes to sign up for a Skype account and it's free to video chat with other Skype users. :confused:

BaldiMac
Jul 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
Not completely. If you had an app on one of your latter home screens on iOS, you have to scroll through each page to get there (or use Spotlight), but with Android you can pinch to open up helicopter view and jump to any screen you like, thus making it easier to get to any screen.

Sure. But like I said before, any multi-step process is getting closer to just opening an app.

Android is obviously better in this regard. Widgets are there if you want them, but if you don't you can still have pages full of apps, only you can access each page more quickly.

We will have to agree to disagree over the value of widgets. :)

Widgets that toggle settings are very popular too, and iOS doesn't have those.

I don't see them on many home screen screenshots. But maybe. I don't think most people toggle settings such as wifi, 3G, and bluetooth often enough that saving one or two taps makes a huge difference. Heck, there was a recent report that 70% of Android users don't use wifi at all!

The iPad doesn't have the Facebook/Twitter widgets in the notification bar. :(

I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Facebook/Twitter notifications are available in notification center.

Guessing you mean battery life? There's a solution for that - put a bigger battery in the phone! Arbitrarily limiting tasks so that they can only run for ten minutes to conserve battery life is such a cop out. If I went to run my battery into the ground it should be my prerogative. iOS sometimes caters for the technophobes TOO much.

And a bigger battery means more weight. Trade offs. But I was referring to more than that. Performance, security, and stability are all trade offs for unlimited background processes.

It kinda is unimportant. I've had Skype on my iPad for months and I've only ever had to log in once. :confused: It's also multi-platform so I can speak to people using a PC, Android phone, Windows Phone, etc. Seems like a no brainer to me.

Except it involves you and your recipient downloading, configuring and logging into Skype (which is also available on iOS for cross-platform use.) Like iMessage, Facetime is simply ready to go for anyone using a recent iPhone. It's the same advantage iMessage has over the Android solutions.

Popular or not, it's there and available, whereas on iOS I don't even have the choice of doing so.

Except popularity was my whole point. :) Obviously, Android has more options! My claim was that iOS has reasonable alternatives for the most popular uses of widgets.

I don't think I overstated anything. What I showed is how I have the CHOICE of functionality as opposed to no choice at all.

Except I showed that there were choices on iOS to access the same information easily. :)

As for the calendar, seeing the next 24 hours is not the same as seeing my upcoming week. If someone asks you, "what are you doing wednesday", you won't be able to just glance in the notification center and tell them. I can just unlock my phone and look at the screen to the right and tell them if I'm free or not.

Again, you are overstating the difference here. Per your screenshot, your widget shows the next three appointments, not the next week. I have a full screen view of my calendar with one tap. And my next 24 hours in one swipe.

Recent headlines in the notification panel is a sloppy implementation quite frankly. The way I'm set up, I get whatever particular news I want to by looking at that particular ticker, and scrolling through it. The same functionality cannot be said for the notification center. The functionality is not the same, nor is the trade off like you mentioned.

The functionality is not the same, but the information is! You prefer the widget method. I don't.

My apps are one tap away, whereas all the information I have available on my home screens would require you to go to several different places in your phone to get what I get in mine just by unlocking it.

:) Again, I have the most popular information within a swipe.

You'd be opening your calendar to see your week, asking Siri for traffic information, looking in the notification panel for the weather, having to sift through unwanted news to get to the topic you're wanting to see (as opposed to only seeing local news when you want local, hence the different tickers). BTW, I didn't even mention my other two screens, one of which is a multimedia screen, I have widgets to control Pandora (including thumbs up and down), googe music, and tune in Radio. I can control all those from my home screen. So if I want to turn on some music, I can just swipe over and hit play on any of those widgets, whereas you'd have to go to those individual apps to do so.
In summary (yes this is a tad redundant), to get the same functionality I have on my home screens, you'd be opening your calendar, asking Siri about traffic, going to the notification panel for weather, sifting through mixed in news topics, opening visual voicemail to check your messages, then going to pandora (or whatever music player you chose to use) to turn on music. That's an awful lot of trouble to go through just to have the same functionality, when it could be right there easily accessible all at once.

Again, it does sound overwhelming when you list all of those things separately. And then you claim your setup is "accessible all at once." When it's not. :)

The reality is that all of that information isn't needed every time I unlock my phone. Most frequently, I need my upcoming appointments, not the ones a few days from now. And accessing the future appointments is a tap away!

You have news widgets that take up a third of your screen for two lines of information! I get the same information through notifications immediately and then through the notification center later with the information displayed much more efficiently. I don't subscribe to types of notifications that I'm not interested in.

Again, my point isn't that the iOS way is universally better. I just think widgets are overrated for most popular use cases. There is a reason that Microsoft stopped submissions to its gadget gallery years ago, despite widgets being supported on Windows 8! :)

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 10:38 AM
I could switch ten times and use Skype on every platform. Not so with any first party solution.

I don't consider it a headache either, it takes less than five minutes to sign up for a Skype account and it's free to video chat with other Skype users. :confused:

I only used the word headache because you did :)

For a few extra minutes of initial setup, you'll see yourself a big headache in the future if you ever go elsewhe

Why is it only a "big headache" if you have to do it later, when someone switches, but if you do it initially it's easy?

ChazUK
Jul 8, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don't see them on many home screen screenshots. But maybe. I don't think most people toggle settings such as wifi, 3G, and bluetooth often enough that saving one or two taps makes a huge difference. Heck, there was a recent report that 70% of Android users don't use wifi at all!


I'd guess that most Android users do not have the quick settings widgets on the main homescreen. I normally have mine on the left homescreen, my main apps on the first (center) homescreen then a GMail widget on the right homescreen. On some custom software builds there are also quick toggles at the top of the dropdown notification bar.

Also, I believe that 70% figure was relating to public wifi hotspots. I personally never use public wifi myself and prefer to use my data connection.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 10:47 AM
You can use iCloud on Android with third party apps, but I don't know how official they are and whether or not they'll be blocked at some point. I would think Google themselves would support it if Apple officially supported it on other platforms.

I just looked at the iCloud as a music storage option and my first response was ew. Both google and amazon both support the ability to stream your music stored in the cloud using the web browser..something iCloud apparently won't let you do. It is kind of strange really.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 10:52 AM
Sure. But like I said before, any multi-step process is getting closer to just opening an app.

Closer but not much. It's significantly faster to open an app on pages furthest away to the default on Android than iOS.

Not sure why we're going back and forth over this.. obviously flicking through each page isn't very user friendly. Being able to skip pages is always going to be faster.

We will have to agree to disagree over the value of widgets. :)

So you're saying that having the OPTION to add widgets is bad? I said Android is ahead because it at least has the option.. even if you don't use them yourself, it can't be a disadvantage :p

I don't see them on many home screen screenshots. But maybe. I don't think most people toggle settings such as wifi, 3G, and bluetooth often enough that saving one or two taps makes a huge difference. Heck, there was a recent report that 70% of Android users don't use wifi at all!

They're probably not on many home screen screenshots because a lot of Android phones have toggle widgets in the notification bar. It would be duplicating what's already there by adding them again.

Anyone who complains about battery life on Android should use those kinds of widgets extensively. Android isn't as good as iOS at power management when you leave settings on that aren't currently in use.

I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Facebook/Twitter notifications are available in notification center.

I'm talking about the "tap to tweet" / "tap to post to Facebook" buttons in the notification bar, but it may be an iOS 6 feature, I thought it was in iOS 5 for the iPhone.

And a bigger battery means more weight. Trade offs. But I was referring to more than that. Performance, security, and stability are all trade offs for unlimited background processes.

iPhone weighs 7 grams more than the Galaxy S3. Probably because of the lightweight "cheap" build materials. ;)

Performance, security and stability are non-issues in practice. :)

Except it involves you and your recipient downloading, configuring and logging into Skype (which is also available on iOS for cross-platform use.) Like iMessage, Facetime is simply ready to go for anyone using a recent iPhone. It's the same advantage iMessage has over the Android solutions.

Yeah.. it's good, but you're limited who you can use it with. Half of my family and friends don't have iPhones.

I only used the word headache because you did :)



Why is it only a "big headache" if you have to do it later, when someone switches, but if you do it initially it's easy?

I was referring more to the books than FaceTime/Skype with that comment. Un-DRM'ing your books WOULD be a big headache.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 10:55 AM
I don't see them on many home screen screenshots. But maybe. I don't think most people toggle settings such as wifi, 3G, and bluetooth often enough that saving one or two taps makes a huge difference. Heck, there was a recent report that 70% of Android users don't use wifi at all!


Popular models like Samsung galaxy S3 and others have toggles in the notification shade so it negates the need for the widget.


http://i.imgur.com/SLFfT.jpg

Some IOS users want as well: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1400019

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 11:22 AM
Sure. But like I said before, any multi-step process is getting closer to just opening an app.



We will have to agree to disagree over the value of widgets. :)



I don't see them on many home screen screenshots. But maybe. I don't think most people toggle settings such as wifi, 3G, and bluetooth often enough that saving one or two taps makes a huge difference. Heck, there was a recent report that 70% of Android users don't use wifi at all!



I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Facebook/Twitter notifications are available in notification center.



And a bigger battery means more weight. Trade offs. But I was referring to more than that. Performance, security, and stability are all trade offs for unlimited background processes.



Except it involves you and your recipient downloading, configuring and logging into Skype (which is also available on iOS for cross-platform use.) Like iMessage, Facetime is simply ready to go for anyone using a recent iPhone. It's the same advantage iMessage has over the Android solutions.



Except popularity was my whole point. :) Obviously, Android has more options! My claim was that iOS has reasonable alternatives for the most popular uses of widgets.



Except I showed that there were choices on iOS to access the same information easily. :)



Again, you are overstating the difference here. Per your screenshot, your widget shows the next three appointments, not the next week. I have a full screen view of my calendar with one tap. And my next 24 hours in one swipe.



The functionality is not the same, but the information is! You prefer the widget method. I don't.



:) Again, I have the most popular information within a swipe.



Again, it does sound overwhelming when you list all of those things separately. And then you claim your setup is "accessible all at once." When it's not. :)

The reality is that all of that information isn't needed every time I unlock my phone. Most frequently, I need my upcoming appointments, not the ones a few days from now. And accessing the future appointments is a tap away!

You have news widgets that take up a third of your screen for two lines of information! I get the same information through notifications immediately and then through the notification center later with the information displayed much more efficiently. I don't subscribe to types of notifications that I'm not interested in.

Again, my point isn't that the iOS way is universally better. I just think widgets are overrated for most popular use cases. There is a reason that Microsoft stopped submissions to its gadget gallery years ago, despite widgets being supported on Windows 8! :)

That's exactly it. Every time an Android user tries to show me the value of widgets, I duplicate whatever he's showing me on my iPhone and it's always either equal, or faster and more efficient on my phone to get to the information. For example, many people have a mail widget taking up a full homepage that they have to swipe a few times to get to, I don't get how that's more efficient than me hitting the "mail" button from my homepage. I won the speed test there every time.

Since the widgets take up so much space, it also means he needs to swipe multiple times to find his apps. I have over 60 apps on my main page, neatly organized into folders, that I can open within 1 second.

I get that it's a choice, and Android users can make folders on their home screen as well, I just don't get why widgets are valued so highly.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 11:25 AM
That's exactly it. Every time an Android user tries to show me the value of widgets, I duplicate whatever he's showing me on my iPhone and it's always either equal, or faster and more efficient on my phone to get to the information. For example, many people have a mail widget taking up a full homepage that they have to swipe a few times to get to, I don't get how that's more efficient than me hitting the "mail" button from my homepage. I won the speed test there every time.

Since the widgets take up so much space, it also means he needs to swipe multiple times to find his apps. I have over 60 apps on my main page, neatly organized into folders, that I can open within 1 second.

I get that it's a choice, and Android users can make folders on their home screen as well, I just don't get why widgets are valued so highly.

If someone had mail on their home screen they'd have it faster. Let's not forget about lock screen widgets too.

Half of the benefit of widgets is providing at a glance information.

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
I just looked at the iCloud as a music storage option and my first response was ew. Both google and amazon both support the ability to stream your music stored in the cloud using the web browser..something iCloud apparently won't let you do. It is kind of strange really.

Personally, the only reason I got iTunes Match is for the Siri integration, otherwise iSub Music Streamer (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/isub-music-streamer/id362920532?mt=8) is better than any cloud service. It works with the opensource Subsonic (http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp) server, so it's a multi-platform solution, and also let's you play from a web browser.

Even better, there's no uploading involved :)

Check out their page for more info:

http://isubapp.com/

Technarchy
Jul 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
If someone had mail on their home screen they'd have it faster. Let's not forget about lock screen widgets too.

Half of the benefit of widgets is providing at a glance information.

I have at a glance info with the notification, and mail/gmail is on my home screen.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 11:39 AM
Personally, the only reason I got iTunes Match is for the Siri integration, otherwise iSub Music Streamer (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/isub-music-streamer/id362920532?mt=8) is better than any cloud service. It works with the opensource Subsonic (http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp) server, so it's a multi-platform solution, and also let's you play from a web browser.

Even better, there's no uploading involved :)

Check out their page for more info:

http://isubapp.com/

Why is this better than any cloud service? It seems like you are exagerrating. Personally, I might run subsonic one day on one of my servers but right now I get the benefit of being able to click on an album and have a digital copy immediately available for streaming/download and also immediately backed up within the provider. I go through so many devices I don't have to worry about restoring my data or anything..It is there when I need it and it just works.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 11:39 AM
I have at a glance info with the notification, and mail/gmail is on my home screen.

The at at a glance info is only for the email that triggered the notification, not the others in your inbox.

Technarchy
Jul 8, 2012, 11:49 AM
The at at a glance info is only for the email that triggered the notification, not the others in your inbox.

I see ten items in my notification center for recent mail, not one. By the time you scroll past that in the widget I will already have the app open and have seen more email or started the reply...

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 11:53 AM
Why is this better than any cloud service? It seems like you are exagerrating. Personally, I might run subsonic one day on one of my servers but right now I get the benefit of being able to click on an album and have a digital copy immediately available for streaming/download and also immediately backed up within the provider. I go through so many devices I don't have to worry about restoring my data or anything..It is there when I need it and it just works.

Subsonic literally IS a cloud service, you're just hosting the "cloud" at home, so no uploading is required. You get to control the bitrate, browse your music in folders or by artist/song...etc. I also prefer iSub to any of the cloud specific music players.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 11:56 AM
I see ten items in my notification center for recent mail, not one. By the time you scroll past that in the widget I will already have the app open and have seen more email or started the reply...

I'm talking about once you've already read the email once.

nfl46
Jul 8, 2012, 12:04 PM
It amazes me how they put so much bloatware on the S3. They shouldn't have put Touchwiz on it. Sense and Stock Android look so much better. I don't understand why companies want to ruin the stock android experience with their hideous skins.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 12:04 PM
Subsonic literally IS a cloud service, you're just hosting the "cloud" at home, so no uploading is required. You get to control the bitrate, browse your music in folders or by artist/song...etc. I also prefer iSub to any of the cloud specific music players.

Yeah I have no interest in running a server off my local computer. I'd set up a server off-site in a data center if I was going that route. My way right now I don't have to manage my music files on my local computer, I don't have to worry about leaving ports open on my network for someone to exploit, I don't have to worry about my ip address changing, I don't have to worry about disk space or disk crashes, I don't have to worry about leaving my computer on to access my music and I don't have the hassle of moving my data when I switch computer, etc..

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 12:09 PM
Yeah I have no interest in running a server off my local computer. I'd set up a server off-site in a data center if I was going that route. My way right now I don't have to manage my music files on my local computer, I don't have to worry about leaving ports open on my network for someone to exploit, I don't have to worry about my ip address changing, I don't have to worry about disk space or disk crashes, I don't have to worry about leaving my computer on to access my music and I don't have the hassle of moving my data when I switch computer, etc..

Valid points. In that case I'd go with the cloud service that's aligned with where you like to purchase music. That way you won't have to manually sync your new music.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 12:16 PM
Valid points. In that case I'd go with the cloud service that's aligned with where you like to purchase music. That way you won't have to manually sync your new music.

Hey no more circular debating! How nice.

For better or worse, I literally have no music stored on my computer anymore. I lost all my music once and that was enough for me. Like you said, my biggest issue really is what cloud provider I purchase music from..

Vegastouch
Jul 8, 2012, 12:20 PM
I'd guess that most Android users do not have the quick settings widgets on the main homescreen. I normally have mine on the left homescreen, my main apps on the first (center) homescreen then a GMail widget on the right homescreen. On some custom software builds there are also quick toggles at the top of the dropdown notification bar.

Also, I believe that 70% figure was relating to public wifi hotspots. I personally never use public wifi myself and prefer to use my data connection.

I just use the pull down window. I dont have the widget on another page. Dont need to. I use wi-fi all the time when i can.

BaldiMac
Jul 8, 2012, 12:31 PM
Also, I believe that 70% figure was relating to public wifi hotspots. I personally never use public wifi myself and prefer to use my data connection.

Nope. Wifi in general.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2012/4/iPhones_Have_Significantly_Higher_Rates_of_Wi-Fi_Utilization

According to their report, only 32% of Android users in the US ever connect to a wifi network.

Closer but not much. It's significantly faster to open an app on pages furthest away to the default on Android than iOS.

Not sure why we're going back and forth over this.. obviously flicking through each page isn't very user friendly. Being able to skip pages is always going to be faster.

I wasn't really discussing that. We were talking about tradeoffs around widgets on the home screen. :)

So you're saying that having the OPTION to add widgets is bad? I said Android is ahead because it at least has the option.. even if you don't use them yourself, it can't be a disadvantage :p

Nope. Not saying that at all. I just think the value of widgets are overstated for most popular use cases.

They're probably not on many home screen screenshots because a lot of Android phones have toggle widgets in the notification bar. It would be duplicating what's already there by adding them again.

Anyone who complains about battery life on Android should use those kinds of widgets extensively. Android isn't as good as iOS at power management when you leave settings on that aren't currently in use.

Right. I'd prefer not to have to manage my phone. I think most people agree.

iPhone weighs 7 grams more than the Galaxy S3. Probably because of the lightweight "cheap" build materials. ;)

Sure, but it's not all about the iPhone. :D The S3 would weigh less with a smaller battery.

Performance, security and stability are non-issues in practice. :)

:confused: Okay?

Yeah.. it's good, but you're limited who you can use it with. Half of my family and friends don't have iPhones.

Sure, but among the half that have Android (theoretically), only a certain percentage have the same video chat client as you configured to communicate with you. And all the iPhone users can configure Skype to communicate with the Android users if they want to. Android is far more limited in who you can use it with. Again, not because it can't be configured to support almost anyone, but because most people don't.

ChazUK
Jul 8, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nope. Wifi in general.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2012/4/iPhones_Have_Significantly_Higher_Rates_of_Wi-Fi_Utilization

According to their report, only 32% of Android users in the US ever connect to a wifi network.

Wow. That certainly suggests that plenty of Android owners in the U.S may not be using their "smart phones" in a very smart way.

Thanks for the link, all other articles I'd seen were focusing on public WiFi hotspots prior to reading that.

chiefpavvy
Jul 8, 2012, 01:00 PM
The problem with widgets is the screen size necessary for them to be useful and not "in the way" making navigation clumsy and inefficient.

I often wonder what kind of pockets these fAndroids wear, because all of these 5" (or thereabout) and beyond devices DO NOT fit comfortably in a regular sized shirt of pants pocket. Maybe they tend to carry man bags, I don't know.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 01:02 PM
The problem with widgets is the screen size necessary for them to be useful and not "in the way" making navigation clumsy and inefficient.

I often wonder what kind of pockets these fAndroids wear, because all of these 5" (or thereabout) and beyond devices DO NOT fit comfortably in a regular sized shirt of pants pocket. Maybe they tend to carry man bags, I don't know.

4.8" screen fits perfectly in a normal pair of jeans. :confused: Maybe not skinny jeans but I don't wear them.

HTC Desire supported widgets perfectly and that had a screen .2" bigger than the iPhone - nothing really.

TeeSoup
Jul 8, 2012, 01:05 PM
4.8" screen fits perfectly in a normal pair of jeans. :confused: Maybe not skinny jeans but I don't wear them.

HTC Desire supported widgets perfectly and that had a screen .2" bigger than the iPhone - nothing really.
My SGS3 fits great in my skinny jeans, so that's out too :/

mbell1975
Jul 8, 2012, 01:09 PM
Any grown man who wears skinny jeans probably has issues to begin with, so I won't even go there. My S3 fits great in my fat pants though.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 01:10 PM
I wasn't really discussing that. We were talking about tradeoffs around widgets on the home screen. :)

Right - what I was saying was that if your apps are pushed onto further pages because of the space taken up by widgets, you can still quickly get to your apps.

Nope. Not saying that at all. I just think the value of widgets are overstated for most popular use cases.

Fair enough - they're not for everyone.

Right. I'd prefer not to have to manage my phone. I think most people agree.

Yeah, but the battery life on the iPhone still suffers somewhat by leaving those settings on. It's clearly going to better when it's not actively hunting for Bluetooth devices and WiFi networks.

Sure, but it's not all about the iPhone. :D The S3 would weigh less with a smaller battery.

Yeah.. it's light enough as it is though :p I doubt anyone picks up a Galaxy S3 and thinks it's too heavy.

:confused: Okay?

Just saying that you can say they're hypothetically problems that might be caused by allowing unlimited background access, but in reality.. they're not problems at all.

Sure, but among the half that have Android (theoretically), only a certain percentage have the same video chat client as you configured to communicate with you. And all the iPhone users can configure Skype to communicate with the Android users if they want to. Android is far more limited in who you can use it with. Again, not because it can't be configured to support almost anyone, but because most people don't.

You can't call something limited just because people don't install those apps. That's not the same thing. There's nothing stopping someone from downloading Skype so that you can video chat with them, but I couldn't download iMessage to chat with someone on my Android phone.

BaldiMac
Jul 8, 2012, 01:22 PM
Fair enough - they're not for everyone.

Absolutely. I've been very clear that Android is the best option for many people. :)

Just saying that you can say they're hypothetically problems that might be caused by allowing unlimited background access, but in reality.. they're not problems at all.

I disagree based on the trouble-shooting that I've had to do with Android phones. Maybe it's not a problem if you know what you are doing and/or you have the most powerful phones.

You can't call something limited just because people don't install those apps. That's not the same thing. There's nothing stopping someone from downloading Skype so that you can video chat with them, but I couldn't download iMessage to chat with someone on my Android phone.

But that's exactly my argument! It is limited specifically because people don't install and configure those apps. Skype isn't an Android advantage. It's on both platforms. The advantage of FaceTime is that it is available for use among almost all recent iPhone owners based on their phone number.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 01:35 PM
Absolutely. I've been very clear that Android is the best option for many people. :)



I disagree based on the trouble-shooting that I've had to do with Android phones. Maybe it's not a problem if you know what you are doing and/or you have the most powerful phones.



But that's exactly my argument! It is limited specifically because people don't install and configure those apps. Skype isn't an Android advantage. It's on both platforms. The advantage of FaceTime is that it is available for use among almost all recent iPhone owners based on their phone number.

I would hope anyone making a comparison between Android and the iPhone is comparing a flagship Android device otherwise it's an unfair comparison :p

I'm still not sure I'd call it an advantage, as like I said it's only ios to ios or ios to mac or mac to mac. It's definitely an advantage for people who have a lot of family and friends with iPhones or other iDevices but not for those of us who have a varied selection.

techiegeek1225
Jul 8, 2012, 02:05 PM
I still prefer iPhone over Androids in terms of apps, efficiency and my iPhone being an Apple product just gives me a sense of confidence. I do respect though the 7 inch size of typical android tabs nowadays, itís more convenient,bigger screen and more numerous apps, yes, but again Iíd still choose my iPhone over them. :apple:
FrankHahn is right, it does depend on the user's preferences, lifestyle and demands!

kis
Jul 8, 2012, 02:06 PM
From what I've seen, the S3 does not have a good camera at all. The dynamic range is very bad, with highlights consistently blown out, where the iPhone 4S shows additional detail in those areas.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/hjlnTl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/TsqRPl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/br7BCl.jpg)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/saT2Ol.png)

I have both - and don't have a clear preference. the iPhone's camera produces rather noisy images, while the SGS III is capable of taking noise-free ones. however, color reproduction is worse on the SGS III.

Vegastouch
Jul 8, 2012, 02:14 PM
The problem with widgets is the screen size necessary for them to be useful and not "in the way" making navigation clumsy and inefficient.
What? You really have no clue what your talking about so why do you even comment on these topics?

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 02:35 PM
What? You really have no clue what your talking about so why do you even comment on these topics?

It makes perfect sense, and mirrors many arguments here. Like BaldImac said, if the widget takes up 1/3rd of your screen for two lines of text, it's inefficient. I have 1 second access to over 60 apps on my main home page on iOS, a single widget would reduce that to half.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 02:47 PM
It makes perfect sense, and mirrors many arguments here. Like BaldImac said, if the widget takes up 1/3rd of your screen for two lines of text, it's inefficient. I have 1 second access to over 60 apps on my main home page on iOS, a single widget would reduce that to half.

That's why you only put widgets on your main screen that you're going to use frequently, like your agenda. I doubt you use all 60 of those apps every day.

Plus let's not forget that apps take time to load, whereas widgets are already loaded. If I put a Facebook widget on my home screen it's quicker to post using the widget than to open Facebook and do it that way, even if Facebook is on my home screen.

DroidNoMore
Jul 8, 2012, 02:55 PM
I would hope anyone making a comparison between Android and the iPhone is comparing a flagship Android device otherwise it's an unfair comparison :p

The problem with that is that Android flagship phones change quarterly (or more often) so you would be constantly changing that comparison. But if you want to compare a one year old phone to a brand new one, that is your option. Just not one with much validity and certainly one that most would consider a valid one.

Vegastouch
Jul 8, 2012, 02:58 PM
It makes perfect sense, and mirrors many arguments here. Like BaldImac said, if the widget takes up 1/3rd of your screen for two lines of text, it's inefficient. I have 1 second access to over 60 apps on my main home page on iOS, a single widget would reduce that to half.

Widgets have different sizes and you can choose which size you want to use. You dont need to use the biggest one, ...but you can if you want. Your choice. Flipboards smallest takes up most likely a third of an iPhone screen but there also is Pulse and a App i like better anyways. Has more options.

Learn more about widgets if you need to but im sure you know they have different size widgets for most Apps and many are small.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 03:02 PM
The problem with that is that Android flagship phones change quarterly (or more often) so you would be constantly changing that comparison. But if you want to compare a one year old phone to a brand new one, that is your option. Just not one with much validity and certainly one that most would consider a valid one.

Well yeah, you should be comparing devices in the same category and price bracket. Why would you compare a mid-range cheap phone to Apples latest device? If comparing the latest iPhone, you need to compare it to the latest from the other company too.

Vegastouch
Jul 8, 2012, 03:11 PM
The problem with that is that Android flagship phones change quarterly (or more often) so you would be constantly changing that comparison. But if you want to compare a one year old phone to a brand new one, that is your option. Just not one with much validity and certainly one that most would consider a valid one.

First off all, the 4S is 9 months old. Also when the new iPhone comes out, it will be compared to the GS3 which will be 5 months old till the new Nexus phones come out soon after. Thats just the way it is and the way it was when the GS2 came out and then the 4S came out which this place compared the 4S to.

404 tech junkie
Jul 8, 2012, 04:01 PM
Except popularity was my whole point. :) Obviously, Android has more options! My claim was that iOS has reasonable alternatives for the most popular uses of widgets.
Having to go to all those different things I named is hardly a reasonable alternative. It is a slow manual method of obtaining the same information.



Except I showed that there were choices on iOS to access the same information easily. :)

No, you didn't. I addressed those. For you to obtain the same information, you would have to go to several different places in your phone to do it, as opposed to it all being in one place easily accessible.


Again, you are overstating the difference here. Per your screenshot, your widget shows the next three appointments, not the next week. I have a full screen view of my calendar with one tap. And my next 24 hours in one swipe.

It shows 3 because that's what's scheduled for the week. If I have more scheduled, it will show them. If I don't have anything for this week (or just a couple things for this week), it will show what's scheduled next week. Bottom line, it shows it. Don't believe me if you don't want to, but it does...unlike iOS.



The functionality is not the same, but the information is! You prefer the widget method. I don't.

It sounds more like closed-mindedness from someone who obviously doesn't have experience with making their device more efficient. That's like saying instead of buying all your groceries at one store, you'd prefer to go to one store for bread, another store for milk, another store for meat, another store for breakfast food, another store for dinner food, and so on. Instead of making one stop, you'd prefer to have to go to several locations just to get the same thing. That doesn't make sense, but hey keep telling yourself that.



Again, it does sound overwhelming when you list all of those things separately. And then you claim your setup is "accessible all at once." When it's not. :)

I can access all the things I mentioned within seconds, whereas it would take you much longer, and much more effort to do the same. You can't even separate your news when you're ready to read it. Why should I be scrolling through local news, if I'm trying to read forex headlines? I want access to both, but I don't want them combined.


The reality is that all of that information isn't needed every time I unlock my phone. Most frequently, I need my upcoming appointments, not the ones a few days from now. And accessing the future appointments is a tap away!

Well it's a good thing you don't need it...because it isn't there. Sure it's a tap away. As is other things. But when you start having to keeping going to different things just to get the same information I can get at a glance, it becomes quite inefficient. While you're going to your calendar, I've already finished checking mine, checked the full forecast, and skimmed over headlines. In the time it takes for you to check a voicemail, I've already checked mine, checked my texts, skimmed over headlines, and checked my schedule. There's no comparison. Sure you can get that same information, but it will take you much longer and much more effort.


You have news widgets that take up a third of your screen for two lines of information! I get the same information through notifications immediately and then through the notification center later with the information displayed much more efficiently. I don't subscribe to types of notifications that I'm not interested in.

You made absolutely no point there at all. The widget is resizable. I can make it take up 1 row if I so choose. I prefer it longer so I can see more when there is more to be seen. Notifications is a VERY clunky way of accomplishing this. I wouldn't want a notification for every single headline, and you can't pick which headline you're notified of. If I got news notifications, I'd either be inundated with notifications throughout the day, or I'd miss out on a lot of important headlines. It makes much more sense to have the news ready for me to go through. BTW, I could have news notification should I desire them, but they aren't an effective method of keeping up with events (for the aforementioned reasons).


Again, my point isn't that the iOS way is universally better. I just think widgets are overrated for most popular use cases. There is a reason that Microsoft stopped submissions to its gadget gallery years ago, despite widgets being supported on Windows 8! :)
As stated previously, you obviously have limited to no experience with making your device more efficient. Sure I can always get the same information a different way, but I want my information the most efficient way. It's really that simple. I'll efficiency over inefficiency every time. Sure I could go into the settings menu to turn wifi on and off, but it's much easier to just pull down the notification panel and tap the toggle. Sure I could scroll through my app drawer and find Pandora, load it up, then hit play when it loads, or I could just tap play on my home screen. Sure, I could go to my calendar and look over my week, or I could already have it laid out for me. At this point, I'm going to cease this little dialogue, because it's apparent you're choosing to be intransigent. Have a nice day.

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That's exactly it. Every time an Android user tries to show me the value of widgets, I duplicate whatever he's showing me on my iPhone and it's always either equal, or faster and more efficient on my phone to get to the information. For example, many people have a mail widget taking up a full homepage that they have to swipe a few times to get to, I don't get how that's more efficient than me hitting the "mail" button from my homepage. I won the speed test there every time.

Since the widgets take up so much space, it also means he needs to swipe multiple times to find his apps. I have over 60 apps on my main page, neatly organized into folders, that I can open within 1 second.

I get that it's a choice, and Android users can make folders on their home screen as well, I just don't get why widgets are valued so highly.

Ok I'll play your little game. Check your email, weather, voicemails, and text messages. I'll be finished in seconds since I have all those things in widgets on my home screens. While you're still opening different apps and checking for things, I'll have my phone back in the holster because I'd be finished. All I'd need is a quick glance, while you're still looking for those apps among your "60 apps" on your main page. You'd lose the speed test every time.. ;-)

Sensamic
Jul 8, 2012, 04:17 PM
Things I didnt like in iOS which proves its not as advanced as some people night think:

- 12 ap folder limitation. Not to mention folders where also included in iOS 4. On Android I can have limitless apps on my folders.

- Downloading something from the Internet with a downloads app requiere you to stay inside that app until the download is completed. It you exit the app to do something else the download stops. On Android the download progress is in your notification area, and you can do other stuff while waiting. I can download torrents while watching a Youtube video o writting an email.

- Just now I sent myself an email and on the SGS3 I got a notification right away, while on my iPad the notification came 10 minutes later. And this does not afectt battery on my SGS3, which has the same battery life as I had with my iPhone 4. Havent charged my phone since yesterday afternoon and its still at 58%.

- When I leave my house every day I had to turn wifi off and 3G on in the settings in iPhone. It was a little bit of a pain. Now I can do so in less than 10 seconds with the wifi and 3G toggles in the notification area or with widgets.

- On iOS apps like twitter, rss feeds and such only update when you open the app. On Android I see that twitter and Google Reader are already updated when I open the apps for the first time.

- Exiting an app in iOS requires using the hardware button. On Android is way better using the back capacitive button. Just consider how much force are you putting your hardware button every day when exiting an app and using multitasking or Siri. After 1 year the button becomes less responsive. I know because it happened to me with my iPhone 4. With the SGS3 I have a multitask shortcut on the homescreen and the S Voice or Google Voice Search icon there too. No need to press any buttons to do that stuff. To me this is important.

There are other many nice things in Android such as the notification LED, taking pictures while recording a video (iOS does not have this), news widget (BBC, NYT, CNN), etc.

pdutta2000
Jul 8, 2012, 04:26 PM
I finally got a chance to hold the GS3 and have to say that it felt better than expected. I was expecting it to be this ugly monster that would look ridiculous but it's not. I feel like Apple has to respond to this. The mockups we've seen so far of the next iPhone won't cut it. If Samsung can create a very svelt phone at 4.8" then surely Apple can create a work of art at 4". I think 4-4.25" might be the holy grail of screen sizes. The GS3 was just a little too big.

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 04:52 PM
Ok I'll play your little game. Check your email, weather, voicemails, and text messages. I'll be finished in seconds since I have all those things in widgets on my home screens. While you're still opening different apps and checking for things, I'll have my phone back in the holster because I'd be finished. All I'd need is a quick glance, while you're still looking for those apps among your "60 apps" on your main page. You'd lose the speed test every time.. ;-)

I can't think of a single time I've had the desire to check all of those things at once, my phone from 2005 had widgets and I had no use for them then either.

When we did the speed test, we said:

"I want to check my E-mail, GO"
"Texts - GO"

...etc.

and it was no more efficient with widgets. If anything widgets took longer, as when I clicked the Mail app, I immediately had a full view, where he was pigeon-holed into a few rows of text in a Widget on the next screen.

However, if I did for some reason want to check all of those things at once, I'd simply swipe down and read them in the Notifications bar.

As a fellow Forex trader, my Android-readiness test was a complete failure. The Oanda trading app on Android was buggy and sorely missing features - unusable. MT4 and MT5 are officially available on iOS only. I synced up Prowl notifications on iOS with the MT4 client running at home, to send immediate notifications to my phone that automatically opened a screenshot of the current price action, or of my EA's recent trade. From there I can hit 3 buttons and either confirm or deny the trade within seconds.

It was an easy decision to go with iOS.

404 tech junkie
Jul 8, 2012, 05:13 PM
I can't think of a single time I've had the desire to check all of those things at once, my phone from 2005 had widgets and I had no use for them then either.

When we did the speed test, we said:

"I want to check my E-mail, GO"
"Texts - GO"

But that's not how real life works...correction...it may work like that on an iPhone, but on my phone I can check my email and texts at once. Sure you can set up your speed test to separate the tasks into separate tasks, but in real life, you'd just do them. You wouldn't purposely separate the two. Again, I'll play your game. Check your email and texts. You will lose every time.


and it was no more efficient with widgets. If anything widgets took longer, as when I clicked the Mail app, I immediately had a full view, where he was pigeon-holed into a few rows of text in a Widget on the next screen.
But you can just as easily tap the email and it will take you to a full view of it also, so no point made there. The difference is, he can click back after he's done and be right back where he was and see the other things he has on his screen. On the iPhone, you'd have to go back to the home screen and search through your apps to find the next thing you need to open instead of having the information waiting for you on your home screen.


However, if I did for some reason want to check all of those things at once, I'd simply swipe down and read them in the Notifications bar.

You couldn't get all the information and functionality I have on my home screens from your notification panel. I won't go into listing them all again, as I've already done that a few times in this thread, but no you can't replicate it all in the notification center.


As a fellow Forex trader, my Android-readiness test was a complete failure. The Oanda trading app on Android was buggy and sorely missing features - unusable. MT4 and MT5 are officially available on iOS only. I synced up Prowl notifications on iOS with the MT4 client running at home, to send immediate notifications to my phone that automatically opened a screenshot of the current price action, or of my EA's recent trade. From there I can hit 3 buttons and either confirm or deny the trade within seconds.

Interesting set up. Though I prefer to execute my trades locally (for several reasons). Out of curiosity, why don't you use the MT5 app on your phone? On a side note, what pairs do you trade?

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 05:49 PM
But that's not how real life works...correction...it may work like that on an iPhone, but on my phone I can check my email and texts at once. Sure you can set up your speed test to separate the tasks into separate tasks, but in real life, you'd just do them. You wouldn't purposely separate the two. Again, I'll play your game. Check your email and texts. You will lose every time.


But you can just as easily tap the email and it will take you to a full view of it also, so no point made there. The difference is, he can click back after he's done and be right back where he was and see the other things he has on his screen. On the iPhone, you'd have to go back to the home screen and search through your apps to find the next thing you need to open instead of having the information waiting for you on your home screen.


You couldn't get all the information and functionality I have on my home screens from your notification panel. I won't go into listing them all again, as I've already done that a few times in this thread, but no you can't replicate it all in the notification center.


Interesting set up. Though I prefer to execute my trades locally (for several reasons). Out of curiosity, why don't you use the MT5 app on your phone? On a side note, what pairs do you trade?

After thinking about it for a few minutes, I can explain why I never have the desire to check my email/texts/voicemails/missed calls...etc all at once:

http://images.macworld.com/images/article/2011/06/lock-screen-notifications-240408.png

I already know what I'm missing, before I unlock the phone.

Yea, I also prefer to trade locally, lately I've been using the setup for notifications only, then I can either go to a computer for analysis, or do a remote desktop session with the iPhone/iPad to see what's going on. Lately I've been trading mostly the EUR/USD and GBP/USD, but I like to keep my eye on the other majors incase I see something I like :)

I use the MT4 app only to keep an eye on things throughout the day, I'll sometimes just prop the phone up, put on a 5 minute chart with volume, and glance at it every few minutes or so. That's only for analysis though, my broker is Oanda, so if I need to manage a trade remotely I use the Oanda app, as that can be easier than my remote desktop session. I don't have any use for the MT5 app, as none of the brokers I use support MT5.

What do you trade?

404 tech junkie
Jul 8, 2012, 05:59 PM
After thinking about it for a few minutes, I can explain why I never have the desire to check my email/texts/voicemails/missed calls...etc all at once:

Image (http://images.macworld.com/images/article/2011/06/lock-screen-notifications-240408.png)

I already know what I'm missing, before I unlock the phone.

The same is true on ICS. The problem with doing it that way is, if you have cleared your notifications (say if you intend to address the emails, texts, etc later), then you won't be able to access that. Personally, I will clear notifications sometimes without actually having addressed them. It's good to still have quick access to them later without them having to be cluttering up the notifications.


Yea, I also prefer to trade locally, lately I've been using the setup for notifications only, then I can either go to a computer for analysis, or do a remote desktop session with the iPhone/iPad to see what's going on. Lately I've been trading mostly the EUR/USD and GBP/USD, but I like to keep my eye on the other majors incase I see something I like :)

I use the MT4 app only to keep an eye on things throughout the day, I'll sometimes just prop the phone up, put on a 5 minute chart with volume, and glance at it every few minutes or so. That's only for analysis though, my broker is Oanda, so if I need to manage a trade remotely I use the Oanda app, as that can be easier than my remote desktop session. I don't have any use for the MT5 app, as none of the brokers I use support MT5.

What do you trade?
I use Gain Capital Group (forex.com), and also execute my trades with their mobile app. As for my pairs, I trade the eur/usd and gbp/jpy primarily (with the bulk of the trades being in the eur/usd). Sometimes I dabble in gbp/usd and aud/usd.

importfan
Jul 8, 2012, 06:30 PM
Having owned the 4s and now the Galaxy S3, its really not close IMO. The Galaxy wins out in display, battery life, ability to use SD cards, 4G and notifications among other things. Looking forward to the new iPhone to see if Apple can close the gap.

DeusInvictus7
Jul 8, 2012, 06:36 PM
Having owned the 4s and now the Galaxy S3, its really not close IMO. The Galaxy wins out in display, battery life, ability to use SD cards, 4G and notifications among other things. Looking forward to the new iPhone to see if Apple can close the gap.

I feel the same way. I sold my 4S to get the S3, and so far the S3 has turned out to be the better overall. We'll see what the next iPhone brings to the table, and if it's impressive, I'll be purchasing that as well. It's good to have both, best of both worlds really.

chewietobbacca
Jul 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
I feel the same way. I sold my 4S to get the S3, and so far the S3 has turned out to be the better overall. We'll see what the next iPhone brings to the table, and if it's impressive, I'll be purchasing that as well. It's good to have both, best of both worlds really.

Ain't competition great?

Hope this really lights a fire under Apple's butt, because it's time again for them to step up to the plate

Technarchy
Jul 8, 2012, 09:44 PM
Ain't competition great?

Hope this really lights a fire under Apple's butt, because it's time again for them to step up to the plate

It's not competition.

iPhone is a Prada bag.

Android is a China Town knock off with rhinestones.

That's not competition.

cynics
Jul 8, 2012, 09:59 PM
I'm surprised there is a lot of gripe toward widgets. I love them! There are a lot of widgets that only take a single block.

Things like weather, imagine instead of the generic weather app in iOS that always says 73 and sunny it actually said the actual weather . Or the my Verizon app, a single tile that tells you how much data you've used in your current month cycle and how much you have left...

There are some cool things that apply more toward Android too. I have a Nintendo emulator, so instead of going into the emulator and scrolling through all the roms to find the game you are looking for you can just put a shortcut widget that just plays that game. Or the app Astro which is a file manager you can make a short cut to any file on the phone. Another one I use a lot is a settings shortcut widget, since I tether a lot I have a widget that takes me right to the tether setting page instead of menu diving.

All these examples use a single square on a home page(s)....

This would be incredibly useful for feature I would love to see apple make or make their own version.

Sensamic
Jul 8, 2012, 10:27 PM
Just looking at the interfaces of some apps in iOS and Android gives you an idea of how outdated iOS is.

Compare the UI of the Youtube app in iOS to the new Youtube app in Android, which is modern and really cool. Same with the Maps app or Contacts app, named People app in Android and that shows you social updates from your contacts and you can swype left and right to change tabs.

Same with Mail and the App Store. The Play Store looks much modern and there you can also swype to change tabs.

The photos app in Android looks gorgeus. And the new Google Search is quite nice too.

Seriously, iOS needs to modernised.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 10:58 PM
I'm surprised there is a lot of gripe toward widgets. I love them! There are a lot of widgets that only take a single block.

Things like weather, imagine instead of the generic weather app in iOS that always says 73 and sunny it actually said the actual weather . Or the my Verizon app, a single tile that tells you how much data you've used in your current month cycle and how much you have left...

There are some cool things that apply more toward Android too. I have a Nintendo emulator, so instead of going into the emulator and scrolling through all the roms to find the game you are looking for you can just put a shortcut widget that just plays that game. Or the app Astro which is a file manager you can make a short cut to any file on the phone. Another one I use a lot is a settings shortcut widget, since I tether a lot I have a widget that takes me right to the tether setting page instead of menu diving.

All these examples use a single square on a home page(s)....

This would be incredibly useful for feature I would love to see apple make or make their own version.

What is also missing is the fact you can re-size your screen grid with launchers like Nova/Apex. You can overlap widgets, and there are also widgets that let you place four apps in a small grid in the place of one.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 8, 2012, 11:55 PM
Ain't competition great?

Hope this really lights a fire under Apple's butt, because it's time again for them to step up to the plate

Step up to the plate with what?

Android can browse web. iOS can browse web.
Android can check email and messages. iOS can check email and messages.
Android has a Facebook app. iOS has a Facebook app.
Android can play YouTube and music. iOS can play YouTube and music.

Except iOS does those in a more stable and beautiful fashion as part of a superior system.

Android is the one that needs to step up to the plate.

404 tech junkie
Jul 9, 2012, 12:40 AM
Step up to the plate with what?

Android can browse web. iOS can browse web.
Web browsing in Android is a much richer experience. Period point blank. Without the newly released Chrome, you still would be stuck with the trash browsers you were using before. Heck Safari can't even go to a full screen mode, which is a shame considering how small your screen already is.

Android can check email and messages. iOS can check email and messages.
Unfortunately, sending email is another story. How about you go and email me two different attachments in the same email. Let me know how that works out for you....oh wait, you can't.

Android can play YouTube and music. iOS can play YouTube and music.

Please don't compare Youtube apps, it's not even close. Android and play music AND video from the cloud, iOS cannot.

Except iOS does those in a more stable and beautiful fashion as part of a superior system.

Nope. See the above reasons.

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 01:04 AM
It's not competition.

iPhone is a Prada bag.

Android is a China Town knock off with rhinestones.

That's not competition.

I have to ask, cause I have read a lot of your posts, why do you hate on Android based phones so much? I understand preferring to buy one phone over another, but you just hate on those phones and to a lesser extent the people that use them. I saw you had owned quite a few phones over the years, but even if they weren't great experiences I wouldn't have expected someone's heart to grow so black with loathing like yours seems to have. This is just my perception reading your posts, nothing more.

depths
Jul 9, 2012, 01:27 AM
People buy into a brand and feel the need to prove that their choice was the correct choice.

Exactly the same with Canon and Nikon.

Be a fan of good technology, not brands.

chewietobbacca
Jul 9, 2012, 01:42 AM
People buy into a brand and feel the need to prove that their choice was the correct choice.

Exactly the same with Canon and Nikon.

Be a fan of good technology, not brands.

Exactly this

Unless you're working for or profit directly from some corporate brand, I don't get this blind allegiance to one brand or another.

How's that saying go again?

I'm defined by who I am, not by what I buy?

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 02:08 AM
Exactly this

Unless you're working for or profit directly from some corporate brand, I don't get this blind allegiance to one brand or another.

How's that saying go again?

I'm defined by who I am, not by what I buy?

It's insufferable that your ilk continue to insist its blind alegience as opposed to informed consumerism.

Implying that every review of apple products is not 10/10 glowing in practically every publication on earth and implying it is not the most admired company for valid reasons such as superior products.

You want to act like its all marketing cult manipulation take your theories somewhere else.

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 06:13 AM
It's not competition.

iPhone is a Prada bag.

Android is a China Town knock off with rhinestones.

That's not competition.

Hmm so my faster, smoother, larger screened, more capable phone is a China town knock off? I'm sure I'll live with it ;)

monkeylui
Jul 9, 2012, 06:25 AM
Android and play music AND video from the cloud, iOS cannot.

lol. What?!? Sure it can. How do you come to this conclusion?

monkeylui
Jul 9, 2012, 06:28 AM
I'm surprised there is a lot of gripe toward widgets. I love them! There are a lot of widgets that only take a single block.

Things like weather, imagine instead of the generic weather app in iOS that always says 73 and sunny it actually said the actual weather . Or the my Verizon app, a single tile that tells you how much data you've used in your current month cycle and how much you have left...

There are some cool things that apply more toward Android too. I have a Nintendo emulator, so instead of going into the emulator and scrolling through all the roms to find the game you are looking for you can just put a shortcut widget that just plays that game. Or the app Astro which is a file manager you can make a short cut to any file on the phone. Another one I use a lot is a settings shortcut widget, since I tether a lot I have a widget that takes me right to the tether setting page instead of menu diving.

All these examples use a single square on a home page(s)....

This would be incredibly useful for feature I would love to see apple make or make their own version.

Those sound more like active icon app launchers too me. I see a widget as something to interact with right there on the home screen.

cynics
Jul 9, 2012, 07:51 AM
Those sound more like active icon app launchers too me. I see a widget as something to interact with right there on the home screen.

It does, like the weather and my Verizon widgets tell you info. The other ones are widgets but an active icon is a good definition of them.

BaldiMac
Jul 9, 2012, 08:15 AM
I would hope anyone making a comparison between Android and the iPhone is comparing a flagship Android device otherwise it's an unfair comparison :p

Well yeah, you should be comparing devices in the same category and price bracket. Why would you compare a mid-range cheap phone to Apples latest device? If comparing the latest iPhone, you need to compare it to the latest from the other company too.

As long as we use the same rules when we are comparing market share numbers! :D :p

Having to go to all those different things I named is hardly a reasonable alternative. It is a slow manual method of obtaining the same information.



No, you didn't. I addressed those. For you to obtain the same information, you would have to go to several different places in your phone to do it, as opposed to it all being in one place easily accessible.


It shows 3 because that's what's scheduled for the week. If I have more scheduled, it will show them. If I don't have anything for this week (or just a couple things for this week), it will show what's scheduled next week. Bottom line, it shows it. Don't believe me if you don't want to, but it does...unlike iOS.



It sounds more like closed-mindedness from someone who obviously doesn't have experience with making their device more efficient. That's like saying instead of buying all your groceries at one store, you'd prefer to go to one store for bread, another store for milk, another store for meat, another store for breakfast food, another store for dinner food, and so on. Instead of making one stop, you'd prefer to have to go to several locations just to get the same thing. That doesn't make sense, but hey keep telling yourself that.



I can access all the things I mentioned within seconds, whereas it would take you much longer, and much more effort to do the same. You can't even separate your news when you're ready to read it. Why should I be scrolling through local news, if I'm trying to read forex headlines? I want access to both, but I don't want them combined.


Well it's a good thing you don't need it...because it isn't there. Sure it's a tap away. As is other things. But when you start having to keeping going to different things just to get the same information I can get at a glance, it becomes quite inefficient. While you're going to your calendar, I've already finished checking mine, checked the full forecast, and skimmed over headlines. In the time it takes for you to check a voicemail, I've already checked mine, checked my texts, skimmed over headlines, and checked my schedule. There's no comparison. Sure you can get that same information, but it will take you much longer and much more effort.


You made absolutely no point there at all. The widget is resizable. I can make it take up 1 row if I so choose. I prefer it longer so I can see more when there is more to be seen. Notifications is a VERY clunky way of accomplishing this. I wouldn't want a notification for every single headline, and you can't pick which headline you're notified of. If I got news notifications, I'd either be inundated with notifications throughout the day, or I'd miss out on a lot of important headlines. It makes much more sense to have the news ready for me to go through. BTW, I could have news notification should I desire them, but they aren't an effective method of keeping up with events (for the aforementioned reasons).


As stated previously, you obviously have limited to no experience with making your device more efficient. Sure I can always get the same information a different way, but I want my information the most efficient way. It's really that simple. I'll efficiency over inefficiency every time. Sure I could go into the settings menu to turn wifi on and off, but it's much easier to just pull down the notification panel and tap the toggle. Sure I could scroll through my app drawer and find Pandora, load it up, then hit play when it loads, or I could just tap play on my home screen. Sure, I could go to my calendar and look over my week, or I could already have it laid out for me.

Again, your argument comes down to overstating the differences. It isn't like going to multiple grocery stores, because the difference we are talking about is 1 second for widget access versus 3 seconds fro the full app. :) Faster if I've used the app recently. With notifications, I'm updated on the information that's important to me before I even unlock the phone.

And just out of curiosity, how many appointments will your calendar widget show?

Exio
Jul 9, 2012, 08:51 AM
The problem with widgets is the screen size necessary for them to be useful and not "in the way" making navigation clumsy and inefficient.

I often wonder what kind of pockets these fAndroids wear, because all of these 5" (or thereabout) and beyond devices DO NOT fit comfortably in a regular sized shirt of pants pocket. Maybe they tend to carry man bags, I don't know.

Lay off the skinny jeans

cynics
Jul 9, 2012, 09:03 AM
Lay off the skinny jeans

I agree. I wear company provided work pants and suit pants mostly. Both are tailored to fit exactly how an average size adult (5'10" 175 lbs) should be wearing pants. Never had an issue with phone size in my pockets.

However I started using a belt clip for my iPhone just cause it can get to my phone faster at work that way. And I really like it (at work where it doesnt look silly). I never tried the galaxy note and yes the argument can be made that a smaller phone is more comfortable but that's a given. No phone is more comfortable then even the smallest of phones. Regardless they all pretty much disappear in my pocket.

Sensamic
Jul 9, 2012, 02:45 PM
Step up to the plate with what?

Android can browse web. iOS can browse web.
Android can check email and messages. iOS can check email and messages.
Android has a Facebook app. iOS has a Facebook app.
Android can play YouTube and music. iOS can play YouTube and music.

Except iOS does those in a more stable and beautiful fashion as part of a superior system.

Android is the one that needs to step up to the plate.

This reasons you give are the most poorest I have ever seen. Both have Youtube and Facebook apps? And this is how you defend iOS? You must be kidding. Do you think anyone will fall for that?

It seems you don't know anything about iOS, or you would give better arguments.

A superior OS that got multitasking, folders, video calling and wallpapers on iOS 4.

A superior OS that got cloud features, voice features and better notifications in iOS 5.

A superior OS that got Facebook integration, FaceTime 3G, reject call with SMS and better Maps on iOS 6.

Yes. It is a superior OS... superior than Symbian! It may be a NICER looking OS, but not a SUPERIOR one to Android.

batting1000
Jul 9, 2012, 02:49 PM
This reasons you give are the most poorest I have ever seen. Both have Youtube and Facebook apps? And this is how you defend iOS? You must be kidding. Do you think anyone will fall for that?

It seems you don't know anything about iOS, or you would give better arguments.

A superior OS that got multitasking, folders, video calling and wallpapers on iOS 4.

A superior OS that got cloud features, voice features and better notifications in iOS 5.

A superior OS that got Facebook integration, FaceTime 3G, reject call with SMS and better Maps on iOS 6.

Yes. It is a superior OS... superior than Symbian! It may be a NICER looking OS, but not a SUPERIOR one to Android.

You have yet to explain your logic. You're being completely biased.

Sensamic
Jul 9, 2012, 03:18 PM
You have yet to explain your logic. You're being completely biased.

My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

There are so many things iOS could benefit of that Apple is not including. I want iOS to be better. That is why I am critique of its limitations. The fanboys that cannot see past its limitations aren't doing themselves a favor, since they will stay always behind waiting for stuff that its needed NOW. We all want iOS to be better.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 03:23 PM
My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

"Essential"?

Those features are hardly essential. The features I presented are what are considered "essential," the rest are petty extras.

The point of the story is that iPhone does the essentials in a smooth and elegant way and Android sacrifices user experience to give you pointless non-essentials.

BaldiMac
Jul 9, 2012, 03:23 PM
My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

There are so many things iOS could benefit of that Apple is not including. I want iOS to be better. That is why I am critique of its limitations. The fanboys that cannot see past its limitations aren't doing a favor to Apple. We all want iOS to be better.

You have a strange definition of "essential". :)

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 03:31 PM
You have a strange definition of "essential". :)

Multitasking - before iOS 4, you could be half way through changing settings in a settings page, switch to another app, then go back to settings and it forgot where you were. Multitasking is essential.

Cloud features - not necessarily essential, but they provide a much improved user experience. With Google/iCloud I know that my contacts/calendar are backed up and I don't have to do it manually if I switch devices, or just every so often as a security measure.

Folders - these are more essential to iOS than Android because of the way iOS puts all your apps on the home screen and doesn't have sorting options like Android does. Having to scroll through pages and pages of apps got old pretty quickly.

BaldiMac
Jul 9, 2012, 03:39 PM
Multitasking - before iOS 4, you could be half way through changing settings in a settings page, switch to another app, then go back to settings and it forgot where you were. Multitasking is essential.

Cloud features - not necessarily essential, but they provide a much improved user experience. With Google/iCloud I know that my contacts/calendar are backed up and I don't have to do it manually if I switch devices, or just every so often as a security measure.

Folders - these are more essential to iOS than Android because of the way iOS puts all your apps on the home screen and doesn't have sorting options like Android does. Having to scroll through pages and pages of apps got old pretty quickly.

And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.

Sensamic
Jul 9, 2012, 03:40 PM
"Essential"?

Those features are hardly essential. The features I presented are what are considered "essential," the rest are petty extras.

The point of the story is that iPhone does the essentials in a smooth and elegant way and Android sacrifices user experience to give you pointless non-essentials.

Ok, so if they are not essential to you, why use a smartphone when clearly what you need is a simple phone that makes calls and send text messages? It is called a smartphone for a reason you know, and we are in 2012.


And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.

The problem is that Apple keeps updating iOS with stuff from yesterday, like just now the FaceTime 3G when video calls over 3G have been supported for years. I had those in my symbian phone 5 years ago with the Nokia N95!

Getting this kind of stuff now is too late.

For example, Google Now seems like its not that important now, but Im sure tomorrow many people will find it essential. That is what I mean. Same with offline dictation. Android is getting this stuff years ahead of iOS.

BaldiMac
Jul 9, 2012, 03:45 PM
My S3 is smoother than my iPad :) probably because it has vastly superior hardware rather than anything Android is doing, but jelly bean is going to improve it even more.

Why is it that Android is always just as smooth as iOS, but we are always seeing claims that the next update is finally going to fix the lag problems? :D

:D This was meant completely as a joke. Obviously, there are hardware differences. :D

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 03:45 PM
And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.

I'm talking about essential for me, my opinion. I don't care what the most popular smartphone in the world is, if I don't like it, it's gone.

I sold my 1st gen iPhone and bought - wait for it - a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic because it was more capable at the time.

Apple trickles updates out painfully slowly so you feel like you're always waiting for them to do something with the platform, but it never happens. Basic features are still missing. :(

maflynn
Jul 9, 2012, 08:00 PM
[MOD NOTE]
Keep the personal attacks, baiting, trolling and insults out of this thread.

If members want to debate the 4S vs. the S3, that's fine, but calling members fanboys/fandroids or other derogatory terms will not be tolerated.

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 08:12 PM
Why is it that Android is always just as smooth as iOS, but we are always seeing claims that the next update is finally going to fix the lag problems? :D

:D This was meant completely as a joke. Obviously, there are hardware differences. :D

I haven't seen anything about 4.1 fixing any lag problems on the new phones, it supposedly just makes everything even faster. Of course, you have to have 4.0.x first and there is no guarantee when that is going to happen for many phones, especially those on at&t. I mean the S2 Skyrocket came out in November last year, was the flagship phone, and it hasn't gotten ICS yet (at&t is saying August now. We'll see.) hell, not a single Samsung tablet has gotten the ICS update yet. They are all still stuck on Honeycomb (argueably THE WORST operating system ever. Those tablets will seem like new with ICS.)

Anyway, if a person was to switch to an Android phone, the only ones worth considering are the HOX, S3, Google Nexus or Note. Everything else may as well assume they will never be updated to 4.1. That doesn't mean a person can't update themselves via a rom, but the average joe won't deal with doing that.

Vegastouch
Jul 9, 2012, 08:43 PM
Anyway, if a person was to switch to an Android phone, the only ones worth considering are the HOX, S3, Google Nexus or Note. Everything else may as well assume they will never be updated to 4.1. That doesn't mean a person can't update themselves via a rom, t
the average joe won't deal with doing that.

Id say the RAZR Maxx could be in that group and has recieved the ICS update.

cwwilson
Jul 9, 2012, 08:56 PM
I received my S3 via UPS this morning and I have to say, this might be the best phone/device I've ever bought. I could list some things I love about it but it's probably along the lines to what's been posted in this thread already by other users. I do not, however, like how quickly it heats up at the bottom, makes it uncomfortable to hold after a bit, but with a giant high tech screen I guess that's part of life. Otherwise, this thing is incredible. Very solid all around.

Vegastouch
Jul 9, 2012, 09:08 PM
I received my S3 via UPS this morning and I have to say, this might be the best phone/device I've ever bought. I could list some things I love about it but it's probably along the lines to what's been posted in this thread already by other users. I do not, however, like how quickly it heats up at the bottom, makes it uncomfortable to hold after a bit, but with a giant high tech screen I guess that's part of life. Otherwise, this thing is incredible. Very solid all around.

Hmm, mine doesnt heat up at the bottom :confused:

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 11:21 PM
I received my S3 via UPS this morning and I have to say, this might be the best phone/device I've ever bought. I could list some things I love about it but it's probably along the lines to what's been posted in this thread already by other users. I do not, however, like how quickly it heats up at the bottom, makes it uncomfortable to hold after a bit, but with a giant high tech screen I guess that's part of life. Otherwise, this thing is incredible. Very solid all around.

If you have a bunch of processes running in the background it will heat up at the bottom. Means you are pushing the cpu hard. It will get up to around 118 degrees and not much more. If it reaches much higherthan 125, i'd say there is a problem with the phone. There are a few apps out there with alarms that can warn you if the battery gets to hot, cpu gets to hot, battery getsbelow 5 percent, etc...

For thecar, I have always used an ac vent dock. This way when the ac isblowing it keeps you phone nice and cool. Been doing this since my first iphone. A cool phone is a happy phone.

Mac.World
Jul 10, 2012, 12:50 AM
Neither does mine.

Then you haven't pushed the cpu. If ypu can do the following and still want to claim your phone doesn't heat up, then keep those phones cause they have some voodoo on them:

Start out by connecting to lte, if no lte them 4g, if no 4g at least 3g. Next open up pandora and let it shuffle music for you, then turn on bluetooth, followed by a local hotspot. Keep email and sms set to push. Finally start up navigation and turn on the traffic overlay.

If you can do that ans after 5 minutes still have a nice a cool phhone, then you should keep it: forever!

cwwilson
Jul 10, 2012, 08:30 AM
I manage my apps pretty well but I only use LTE. Could it be the LED soft keys causing the problem? I turned them to 1.5 seconds and it seemed to help.

Lord Flashheart
Jul 10, 2012, 11:15 PM
Does anyone know if I upgrade from my 3GS to the Galaxy S3 on my ATT account will my grandfathered unlimited data plan transfer? I am in a 4G LTE area and would love to keep my unlimited data.

SaleenS351
Jul 11, 2012, 12:19 AM
Does anyone know if I upgrade from my 3GS to the Galaxy S3 on my ATT account will my grandfathered unlimited data plan transfer? I am in a 4G LTE area and would love to keep my unlimited data.

Mine transfered to unlimited 4GLTE. I'm on AT&T btw.

ilifecomputer
Jul 11, 2012, 03:16 AM
Mine transfered to unlimited 4GLTE. I'm on AT&T btw.

Did you upgrade at a physical ATT store to make sure and have them keep you on unlimited?

preguntonontrac
Jul 11, 2012, 07:04 AM
Yeah it gets fully transferred. I am really really impressed how much people are switching to the S3. Lets see WTF is apple releasing i might switch to the next gen android phones

topherg
Jul 12, 2012, 12:41 AM
I lasted all but 2hrs with the s3 before going back to my Galaxy nexus....

bigsexyy81
Jul 12, 2012, 01:13 AM
Sold my 4S this morning and got the S3.

Happy with it so far.

wayneholbrook
Jul 12, 2012, 08:48 AM
I can honestly say I had my S3 for less then 2 hours and drove it straight back to the store.

Did i really give it a shot? NO, i guess I wanted to see what some of the hype was about and when I started playing with it, it felt like all the other Samsung phones; plastic and cheap.

The software was just as crapy as all the other Andriods out there ICS or not, its all the same to me; crapy....

While iOS is also the same old software with some small noticable changes to iOS6, its still clean and simplistic. To some people thats a turn off. To me thats awesome. When you use it for business its reliable and simply works. If you want to use it as a toy as Andriods useres say, well thats up to you.

To me there is no comparison. The key statement is "To me"

it all comes down to user preference. I am not slamming Andriod if thats the platform you like. If it is, good for you. The platform I like is iOS hands down.

I use to love the blackberry users would get so mad if you liked any other platform other then BB. They would call every device a toy compared to the BB. Now look where ther at; BB is as good as Atari now!

joshwithachance
Jul 12, 2012, 09:01 AM
I can honestly say I had my S3 for less then 2 hours and drove it straight back to the store.

Did i really give it a shot? NO, i guess I wanted to see what some of the hype was about and when I started playing with it, it felt like all the other Samsung phones; plastic and cheap.

The software was just as crapy as all the other Andriods out there ICS or not, its all the same to me; crapy....

While iOS is also the same old software with some small noticable changes to iOS6, its still clean and simplistic. To some people thats a turn off. To me thats awesome. When you use it for business its reliable and simply works. If you want to use it as a toy as Andriods useres say, well thats up to you.

To me there is no comparison. The key statement is "To me"

it all comes down to user preference. I am not slamming Andriod if thats the platform you like. If it is, good for you. The platform I like is iOS hands down.

I use to love the blackberry users would get so mad if you liked any other platform other then BB. They would call every device a toy compared to the BB. Now look where ther at; BB is as good as Atari now!

Then your opinion is invalid.

Zaft
Jul 12, 2012, 09:04 AM
I think moving the release to October has let Samsung capitalize on people wanting to upgrade.

MonkeySee....
Jul 12, 2012, 09:09 AM
Then your opinion is invalid.

First impressions etc

wayneholbrook
Jul 12, 2012, 09:10 AM
Then your opinion is invalid.

Well put, a true professional. My point is now proven!

kevinof
Jul 12, 2012, 10:48 AM
You only spent 2 hours with a new phone and OS and were therefore looking for any fault in the OS, looking for a reason not to like it.

If you look other threads on this forum you will see people from both camps - those who switched to the S3 and liked it and are staying with the S3, and those that tried it and after giving it a decent shot decided to go back. The difference between them and you it that they are open minded.

I can honestly say I had my S3 for less then 2 hours and drove it straight back to the store.

Did i really give it a shot? NO, i guess I wanted to see what some of the hype was about and when I started playing with it, it felt like all the other Samsung phones; plastic and cheap.

The software was just as crapy as all the other Andriods out there ICS or not, its all the same to me; crapy....

While iOS is also the same old software with some small noticable changes to iOS6, its still clean and simplistic. To some people thats a turn off. To me thats awesome. When you use it for business its reliable and simply works. If you want to use it as a toy as Andriods useres say, well thats up to you.

To me there is no comparison. The key statement is "To me"

it all comes down to user preference. I am not slamming Andriod if thats the platform you like. If it is, good for you. The platform I like is iOS hands down.

I use to love the blackberry users would get so mad if you liked any other platform other then BB. They would call every device a toy compared to the BB. Now look where ther at; BB is as good as Atari now!

mjpearce023
Jul 12, 2012, 11:39 AM
I can honestly say I had my S3 for less then 2 hours and drove it straight back to the store.


I don't see a problem with deciding in 2 hours. If you know right off the bat that the phone is not going to work for you then why waist time setting everything up just to return it in a week or two? I have gone to AT&T before and spent 10 minutes with a phone and knew it wasnít for me. I feel like you should be in love with a product when you first buy so if you already don't like it after a couple hours then itís not for you. I upgraded from an iPhone 4s to a HTC One X and after 2 hours I was loving it but after a couple weeks I decided it wasnít for me. If I didn't like it off the bat I would have returned it immediately.

cynics
Jul 12, 2012, 11:58 AM
I don't see a problem with deciding in 2 hours. If you know right off the bat that the phone is not going to work for you then why waist time setting everything up just to return it in a week or two? I have gone to AT&T before and spent 10 minutes with a phone and knew it wasnít for me. I feel like you should be in love with a product when you first buy so if you already don't like it after a couple hours then itís not for you. I upgraded from an iPhone 4s to a HTC One X and after 2 hours I was loving it but after a couple weeks I decided it wasnít for me. If I didn't like it off the bat I would have returned it immediately.

I said the same thing about my iPhone. Few weeks later and then I really enjoyed it. No one can learn a new OS in that amount of time to give it a fair chance.

I'd give it more time then that even if it was an issue of size just to see if it was something that needed some getting used too.

cwwilson
Jul 12, 2012, 12:51 PM
This phone has been an absolute blessing. I can't even imagine going back to a 3.5 screen as a daily driver after having a high definition one that's nearly 5". The phone is fast, responsive, smooth, and most of all, a lot of fun. Of course, any new toy is going to be exciting for the first week or so but I feel this device has true lasting potential and staying power. The battery life, even on LTE, is top notch, the hardware begs to be pushed harder and plus, there's 2GB of RAM onboard. Jellybean could make this phone even more amazing since that allows 60fps graphics all around. Android has matured well since I used it last (EVO and Epic 4G) and the app selection is also much improved. I think I'm going to be holding on to this bad boy for a long time, well until the GSIV arrives that is. :p

DarwinOSX
Jul 13, 2012, 09:08 PM
Hi, First of all i think both phones have its own speciality, i love iPhones but i also love smart phones that can play Flash[swf].

You do know that Adobe has eliminated flash for mobile devices right? because they finally admitted they can never get it to run well.

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Hmm so my faster, smoother, larger screened, more capable phone is a China town knock off? I'm sure I'll live with it ;)

I have both. The S3 is not faster and smoother. I see lag all the time. I do like the big screen but text is sharper on the iPhone 4s which is using a 2 year old display. Tell me what is more capable about the S III that I can't also do on my iPhone 4s.
Not everyone here only has experience with iPhones so think before replying.

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What? You really have no clue what your talking about so why do you even comment on these topics?

Explain how he is wrong then or your comment has no credibility.

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What is also missing is the fact you can re-size your screen grid with launchers like Nova/Apex. You can overlap widgets, and there are also widgets that let you place four apps in a small grid in the place of one.

I have used Android phones alongside iPhones for years and never use widgets. They take up resources and screen space. if I use an app all the time I launch it from an icon. Why would I want to page through screen just to hit a bigger icon?

nooaah
Jul 13, 2012, 09:17 PM
I've owned the S3 for two days now. About the only advantage of seeing right now is the bigger screen. I really, really love it. However, it's not as sharp as the iPhone's.

I'm on VZW, so the bootloader is locked. Shame. The OS is kind of a clusterf*** to me at the moment. I'll give it some time, but my new device euphoria has worn off as I'm noticing things that are just plain annoying. The scrolling in browsers isn't as fluid as iOS. This is probably fine for most, but I'm used to the screen precisely following my finger.

The S3 apparently doesn't play nice with bluetooth car stereos. There's a workaround for this. There shouldn't be a need for workarounds. You can't answer calls if headphones are in and a music app is playing. You have to pause the music, answer the call, then talk into the handset even if the headphones have a mic.

Spotify does not have an option to download its saved songs to an SD card. I spent over an hour finding a workaround for this. Visual voicemail doesn't come stock for the VZW version. I'm having issues still setting up Google Voice for this. I guess what I'm getting at is that even if iOS is kind of vanilla, it just works. There's zero learning curve.

I have 60 days to return the S3 to Best Buy. I'll give this phone a good chance but if there isn't significant improvement in usability by August, it's going back to BB. At this point, I've already concluded that all the iPhone really needs to make me love it again is a bigger screen. Even last night I was all about putting my iPhone on CraigsList - the novelty of the S3 wore off pretty quick, unfortunately.


Edit: Also, the S3 does not play nice with OSX at all. Mine is also showing some lag now. I'm not even using a different launcher. The biggest change I made to the phone was to install SwiftKey3 and a stock ticker widget. I am killing apps in the task manager...Not sure what I'm doing that's causing the slight hiccuping.

As a positive, the battery life is superb. Definitely beats the iPhone, which I wasn't unhappy with at all.

redred
Jul 13, 2012, 10:04 PM
Edit: Also, the S3 does not play nice with OSX at all. Mine is also showing some lag now. I'm not even using a different launcher. The biggest change I made to the phone was to install SwiftKey3 and a stock ticker widget. I am killing apps in the task manager...Not sure what I'm doing that's causing the slight hiccuping.


Killing apps is most likely doing you more harm than good (http://lifehacker.com/5650894/android-task-killers-explained-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them).

I have three friends who returned their SIII's and went back to using iPhone's.

cynics
Jul 13, 2012, 10:27 PM
You do know that Adobe has eliminated flash for mobile devices right? because they finally admitted they can never get it to run well.

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I have both. The S3 is not faster and smoother. I see lag all the time. I do like the big screen but text is sharper on the iPhone 4s which is using a 2 year old display. Tell me what is more capable about the S III that I can't also do on my iPhone 4s.
Not everyone here only has experience with iPhones so think before replying.

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Explain how he is wrong then or your comment has no credibility.

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I have used Android phones alongside iPhones for years and never use widgets. They take up resources and screen space. if I use an app all the time I launch it from an icon. Why would I want to page through screen just to hit a bigger icon?

Keep hearing that about Adobe. When is that going to happen? Its been being stopped since Gingerbread now its last version is for 4.0.x ICS. Last app update was 7-11-12 (two days ago) and of all my apps it seems like its getting updated the most. It will linger around for quite a while before it dies off.

And by more capable do you mean hardware things like NFC and LTE or software related things like USB hosting (I can't believe when you plug a mouse into IOS device nothing happens) and changing software keyboards?

Vegastouch
Jul 13, 2012, 10:31 PM
I don't see a problem with deciding in 2 hours. If you know right off the bat that the phone is not going to work for you then why waist time setting everything up just to return it in a week or two? I have gone to AT&T before and spent 10 minutes with a phone and knew it wasnít for me. I feel like you should be in love with a product when you first buy so if you already don't like it after a couple hours then itís not for you. I upgraded from an iPhone 4s to a HTC One X and after 2 hours I was loving it but after a couple weeks I decided it wasnít for me. If I didn't like it off the bat I would have returned it immediately.

Seems to me this shoots down your theory. I cant imagine diciding something sucks after only 10 minutes. Hec 2 hours and you took it home only to discover some time later it wasnt fo you. You contradicted yourself bigtime on this one....lol

The iGentleman
Jul 13, 2012, 10:41 PM
You do know that Adobe has eliminated flash for mobile devices right? because they finally admitted they can never get it to run well.[COLOR="#808080"]

That's not true. They didn't "eliminate" anything. They just discontinued mobile support, nor did they admit they can't get it to run well. Please don't make the story up...



I have both. The S3 is not faster and smoother. I see lag all the time.

Where did you see this lag? What exactly were you doing? What was running? Specifics please.

Tell me what is more capable about the S III that I can't also do on my iPhone 4s.

A short list:
-Fully functional bluetooth.
-Pair with real video game controllers for console gaming on the phone
-DLNA. Yes Apple has airplay, but that isn't DLNA compatible (which encompasses many more devices)
-Change keyboard to whatever you like best. For example, many people swear by swype.
-Change my default browser to whatever I like.
-Send multiple attachments (of different file types) in one email.
-App Integration. I can integrate any app I want so that it's incorporated into any part of my phone. For example, I can take a picture, then tap share, and share it in dropbox.

I can honestly say I had my S3 for less then 2 hours and drove it straight back to the store.

Did i really give it a shot? NO, i guess I wanted to see what some of the hype was about and when I started playing with it, it felt like all the other Samsung phones; plastic and cheap.
A bit of a ridiculous statement don't ya think? ...that's definitely one of the less reasonable statements I've seen in this thread.



While iOS is also the same old software with some small noticable changes to iOS6, its still clean and simplistic. To some people thats a turn off. To me thats awesome. When you use it for business its reliable and simply works. If you want to use it as a toy as Andriods useres say, well thats up to you.

So does the GS3, but you wouldn't know that, because you only kept it 2 hours.

Vegastouch
Jul 13, 2012, 11:09 PM
I've owned the S3 for two days now. About the only advantage of seeing right now is the bigger screen. I really, really love it. However, it's not as sharp as the iPhone's.

I'm on VZW, so the bootloader is locked. Shame. The OS is kind of a clusterf*** to me at the moment. I'll give it some time, but my new device euphoria has worn off as I'm noticing things that are just plain annoying. The scrolling in browsers isn't as fluid as iOS. This is probably fine for most, but I'm used to the screen precisely following my finger.

The S3 apparently doesn't play nice with bluetooth car stereos. There's a workaround for this. There shouldn't be a need for workarounds. You can't answer calls if headphones are in and a music app is playing. You have to pause the music, answer the call, then talk into the handset even if the headphones have a mic.

Spotify does not have an option to download its saved songs to an SD card. I spent over an hour finding a workaround for this. Visual voicemail doesn't come stock for the VZW version. I'm having issues still setting up Google Voice for this. I guess what I'm getting at is that even if iOS is kind of vanilla, it just works. There's zero learning curve.

I have 60 days to return the S3 to Best Buy. I'll give this phone a good chance but if there isn't significant improvement in usability by August, it's going back to BB. At this point, I've already concluded that all the iPhone really needs to make me love it again is a bigger screen. Even last night I was all about putting my iPhone on CraigsList - the novelty of the S3 wore off pretty quick, unfortunately.


Edit: Also, the S3 does not play nice with OSX at all. Mine is also showing some lag now. I'm not even using a different launcher. The biggest change I made to the phone was to install SwiftKey3 and a stock ticker widget. I am killing apps in the task manager...Not sure what I'm doing that's causing the slight hiccuping.

As a positive, the battery life is superb. Definitely beats the iPhone, which I wasn't unhappy with at all.

I guess you just arent used to Android yet. I never use Touchwiz. I always get another launcher. Maybe thats your problem.

The GS3 and other Androids work fine with OSX. Dont know why you cant figure it out.

I dont really care for Spotify. I jus use EasyMP3 Downloader and then drag the song(s) over to my card. Im sure there is even a better way but at this point for me, im not doing a bulk transfer. I dont understand why people ned visual voicemail. I use Youmail as my voicemail and i think its much better than the carrier voicemail. Better for the people on the other end and i just listen to it if i have one...which isnt that often. Who leaves voicemail these days?

The iGentleman
Jul 13, 2012, 11:45 PM
I'm on VZW, so the bootloader is locked. Shame. The OS is kind of a clusterf*** to me at the moment. I'll give it some time, but my new device euphoria has worn off as I'm noticing things that are just plain annoying. The scrolling in browsers isn't as fluid as iOS. This is probably fine for most, but I'm used to the screen precisely following my finger.
In iOS, no matter how quickly I swipe my finger, it will only scroll a predetermined distance. Sure it will follow your finger, but only to the extent of what the predetermined swipe will allow. The interesting thing is, the browser is the only place where this is the case.


The S3 apparently doesn't play nice with bluetooth car stereos. There's a workaround for this. There shouldn't be a need for workarounds.

I haven't had an ounce of trouble with my car stereo.

You can't answer calls if headphones are in and a music app is playing. It answers just fine for me. Maybe there's an issue with certain 3rd party headphones, but I have yet to experience this.


Spotify does not have an option to download its saved songs to an SD card. I spent over an hour finding a workaround for this. Visual voicemail doesn't come stock for the VZW version. I'm having issues still setting up Google Voice for this. I guess what I'm getting at is that even if iOS is kind of vanilla, it just works. There's zero learning curve.
EVERY OS has a learning curve, including iOS. Things are different on every OS, it takes time to learn what goes where. For example, it was quite an adjustment for me, getting used to having to go to the settings app just to change settings for a particular app. I was used to changing the settings inside whatever app I wanted to change the settings for. Every OS is an adjustment.


I have 60 days to return the S3 to Best Buy. I'll give this phone a good chance but if there isn't significant improvement in usability by August, it's going back to BB. At this point, I've already concluded that all the iPhone really needs to make me love it again is a bigger screen. Even last night I was all about putting my iPhone on CraigsList - the novelty of the S3 wore off pretty quick, unfortunately.

As with anything else that's customizable, it's all what you make it. Take the home screen for example, you can make it as functional or non-functional as you want. If having your phone tailored to fit you and your lifestyle isn't for you, then the iPhone may be for you.

nooaah
Jul 14, 2012, 12:21 AM
My iphone has been jail broken for years and I do customize the look. I'm happy that you're not having issues with your car but I am and so are a lot of people. Regarding the scrolling it seems to be an issue with Chrome. The scrolling in Dolphin is much more fluid.

New positives: sound quality on the s3 through headphones is absolutely superior. Wow. SwiftKey 3 is getting better and better. Rarely make any typos that aren't corrected with the word I intended. I HATE the iPhone keyboard and this could very well make me stay alone. It's that much better.

nooaah
Jul 14, 2012, 12:51 AM
I guess you just arent used to Android yet. I never use Touchwiz. I always get another launcher. Maybe thats your problem.

The GS3 and other Androids work fine with OSX. Dont know why you cant figure it out.

I dont really care for Spotify. I jus use EasyMP3 Downloader and then drag the song(s) over to my card. Im sure there is even a better way but at this point for me, im not doing a bulk transfer. I dont understand why people ned visual voicemail. I use Youmail as my voicemail and i think its much better than the carrier voicemail. Better for the people on the other end and i just listen to it if i have one...which isnt that often. Who leaves voicemail these days?

I don't mind tw too much. I'm taking my sweet time setting up nova launcher because I am trying to get acclimated to the os. The issue with OSX is that Kies and other programs stop detecting the phone until the phone is restarted - it's not about not understanding how to use osx, it's just an issue with the phone right now.

matttye
Jul 14, 2012, 02:03 AM
I have both. The S3 is not faster and smoother. I see lag all the time. I do like the big screen but text is sharper on the iPhone 4s which is using a 2 year old display. Tell me what is more capable about the S III that I can't also do on my iPhone 4s.
Not everyone here only has experience with iPhones so think before replying.


Do you have the US version or international version? I have the international quad core version which is noticeably faster and has a vastly superior GPU, so if you have the US version yours may not be as smooth as mine. I make my comparisons to my iPad 2 because I don't have a 4S and never have. S3 is smoother than my iPad 2. It loads everything more quickly.

There's loads of things you can do on the S3 that you can't do on the 4S, how many do you want me to list?

- use widgets on home screens.
- swipe away individual notifications you're done with.
- toggle settings like wifi, Bluetooth, screen brightness, etc quickly using the notification bar (or home screen widgets).
- use any app that relies on NFC.
- run any app in the background including ones that need to maintain a constant connection, for example IRC clients. This also means you can have something like Spotify start downloading a playlist and just leave it alone. On ios it would stop after ten minutes; on Android, it doesn't.
- access the file system.
- DLNA.
- send any attachment (and multiple) directly from an email composition screen.
- gallery shows photos from PC using DLNA and also online sources like Picasa.
- mount your phone as a drive on your pc.
- install custom keyboards.
- use live wallpapers.
- install apps from outside of the google play store.
- use custom home screen launchers.
- use custom lock screen apps, including ones that let you add widgets.
- take pictures whilst recording video.
- take pictures using your voice.
- answer calls using your voice.
- gestures such as flip the phone to silence it, put your palm on the screen to silence it, swipe across screen to take a screenshot etc.
- Bluetooth/wifi direct file transfers.
- thumbnails in the video player are live and show previews of the video.
- you can replace the default browser, messaging app, etc.
- built in maps has transit navigation, street view, indoor views of locations you look up, etc.
- download large apps on the mobile network.
- faster way of closing background apps and switching between apps.
- you can share photos directly from the gallery or other services to any service that implements the sharing API. For example, you can share Facebook photos to Twitter and vice versa. That's only an example, it can support any app eg. Instagram, Flickr, Picasa, etc.

Is that enough? :p

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
Do you have the US version or international version? I have the international quad core version which is noticeably faster and has a vastly superior GPU, so if you have the US version yours may not be as smooth as mine. I make my comparisons to my iPad 2 because I don't have a 4S and never have. S3 is smoother than my iPad 2. It loads everything more quickly.

There's loads of things you can do on the S3 that you can't do on the 4S, how many do you want me to list?

- use widgets on home screens.
- swipe away individual notifications you're done with.
- toggle settings like wifi, Bluetooth, screen brightness, etc quickly using the notification bar (or home screen widgets).
- use any app that relies on NFC.
- run any app in the background including ones that need to maintain a constant connection, for example IRC clients. This also means you can have something like Spotify start downloading a playlist and just leave it alone. On ios it would stop after ten minutes; on Android, it doesn't.
- access the file system.
- DLNA.
- send any attachment (and multiple) directly from an email composition screen.
- gallery shows photos from PC using DLNA and also online sources like Picasa.
- mount your phone as a drive on your pc.
- install custom keyboards.
- use live wallpapers.
- install apps from outside of the google play store.
- use custom home screen launchers.
- use custom lock screen apps, including ones that let you add widgets.
- take pictures whilst recording video.
- take pictures using your voice.
- answer calls using your voice.
- gestures such as flip the phone to silence it, put your palm on the screen to silence it, swipe across screen to take a screenshot etc.
- Bluetooth/wifi direct file transfers.
- thumbnails in the video player are live and show previews of the video.
- you can replace the default browser, messaging app, etc.
- built in maps has transit navigation, street view, indoor views of locations you look up, etc.
- download large apps on the mobile network.
- faster way of closing background apps and switching between apps.
- you can share photos directly from the gallery or other services to any service that implements the sharing API. For example, you can share Facebook photos to Twitter and vice versa. That's only an example, it can support any app eg. Instagram, Flickr, Picasa, etc.

Is that enough? :p

Lol, IMO 95% of you wrote is really stretching and is useless I'm serious.

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 10:54 AM
I was using my friends S3 just last night and it looks like it does lag when there are a lot of widgets on the home screen. An they reload quite often. It's annoying, touch whiz is the culprit.

mattashwood
Jul 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
It's probably already been said, but after spending a little bit of time with the S3, I couldn't get over how light and cheap it felt in my hand. For a phone that size, it felt like a plastic toy.

Dolorian
Jul 14, 2012, 11:51 AM
It's probably already been said, but after spending a little bit of time with the S3, I couldn't get over how light and cheap it felt in my hand. For a phone that size, it felt like a plastic toy.

I felt that way about the Galaxy S2 when I asked someone who has it to let me play with it for a bit. The phone felt very cheap and too darn wide.

Sensamic
Jul 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
Do you have the US version or international version? I have the international quad core version which is noticeably faster and has a vastly superior GPU, so if you have the US version yours may not be as smooth as mine. I make my comparisons to my iPad 2 because I don't have a 4S and never have. S3 is smoother than my iPad 2. It loads everything more quickly.

There's loads of things you can do on the S3 that you can't do on the 4S, how many do you want me to list?

- use widgets on home screens.
- swipe away individual notifications you're done with.
- toggle settings like wifi, Bluetooth, screen brightness, etc quickly using the notification bar (or home screen widgets).
- use any app that relies on NFC.
- run any app in the background including ones that need to maintain a constant connection, for example IRC clients. This also means you can have something like Spotify start downloading a playlist and just leave it alone. On ios it would stop after ten minutes; on Android, it doesn't.
- access the file system.
- DLNA.
- send any attachment (and multiple) directly from an email composition screen.
- gallery shows photos from PC using DLNA and also online sources like Picasa.
- mount your phone as a drive on your pc.
- install custom keyboards.
- use live wallpapers.
- install apps from outside of the google play store.
- use custom home screen launchers.
- use custom lock screen apps, including ones that let you add widgets.
- take pictures whilst recording video.
- take pictures using your voice.
- answer calls using your voice.
- gestures such as flip the phone to silence it, put your palm on the screen to silence it, swipe across screen to take a screenshot etc.
- Bluetooth/wifi direct file transfers.
- thumbnails in the video player are live and show previews of the video.
- you can replace the default browser, messaging app, etc.
- built in maps has transit navigation, street view, indoor views of locations you look up, etc.
- download large apps on the mobile network.
- faster way of closing background apps and switching between apps.
- you can share photos directly from the gallery or other services to any service that implements the sharing API. For example, you can share Facebook photos to Twitter and vice versa. That's only an example, it can support any app eg. Instagram, Flickr, Picasa, etc.

Is that enough? :p

And dont forget:

- Downloading torrents
- Playing emulators (N64, PSX, GB, GBA, GG, etc)
- MicroSD support for up to 128GB if you want
- Many more options in camera app
- Theme support for changing icons and whatnot
- Notification LED
- Google Now and new Voice Search when it comes plus offline voice typing and even better notification system
- 4.8 screen
- Ability to change the way some things work to your own
- Blacklist in contacts app (this for when apple? Never?)
- Vastly superior YouTube app, Gmail, Maps
- Ability to download any thing like a .rar file and extract its files
- Radio FM
- Way better stock calendar app which shows you year view and works in landscape with any mode (week, day, year, month. iOS only works on week view in landscape. LAME)
- Save pages in browser for offline viewing (keep waiting for iOS 6...)
- Reject calls with SMS (iOS 6...)
- Face unlock, pattern unlock
- Icons in lockscreen for quick access, weather, voice commands, news feeds, etc
- Ability to upload ANY file to a server or NAS (not just pictures or videos. LAME LAME LAME)
- Downloads or background processes dont stop when you are pressing the screen (like on iOS, when the browser page stops loading if your finger in pressing the screen)
- Gestures all over the OS for smoother transitions
- Social updates on the contacts app
- Swype keyboard (you are sooooooooooo behind iOS!!!)
- Phone lighter and thinner than iPhone with capacitive buttons


I have to stop... This is too much :D:D:D

It will take AGES for iOS to catch up to all of this. We all know this. Many of this features wont even ever be available. It will always be a cripple mobile OS unless Apple accepts certain apps in its app store or makes it more open or whatever.

monkeylui
Jul 14, 2012, 03:56 PM
Look I love my galaxy S3 & I moved from the iPhone too it. But these last couple of lists lead me to believe you have not used ios & are just trolling. There are several of those items that can easily be done on ios. If you used ios you would know these things.

batting1000
Jul 14, 2012, 04:18 PM
And dont forget:

- Downloading torrents
- Playing emulators (N64, PSX, GB, GBA, GG, etc)
- MicroSD support for up to 128GB if you want
- Many more options in camera app
- Theme support for changing icons and whatnot
- Notification LED
- Google Now and new Voice Search when it comes plus offline voice typing and even better notification system
- 4.8 screen
- Ability to change the way some things work to your own
- Blacklist in contacts app (this for when apple? Never?)
- Vastly superior YouTube app, Gmail, Maps
- Ability to download any thing like a .rar file and extract its files
- Radio FM
- Way better stock calendar app which shows you year view and works in landscape with any mode (week, day, year, month. iOS only works on week view in landscape. LAME)
- Save pages in browser for offline viewing (keep waiting for iOS 6...)
- Reject calls with SMS (iOS 6...)
- Face unlock, pattern unlock
- Icons in lockscreen for quick access, weather, voice commands, news feeds, etc
- Ability to upload ANY file to a server or NAS (not just pictures or videos. LAME LAME LAME)
- Downloads or background processes dont stop when you are pressing the screen (like on iOS, when the browser page stops loading if your finger in pressing the screen)
- Gestures all over the OS for smoother transitions
- Social updates on the contacts app
- Swype keyboard (you are sooooooooooo behind iOS!!!)
- Phone lighter and thinner than iPhone with capacitive buttons


I have to stop... This is too much :D:D:D

It will take AGES for iOS to catch up to all of this. We all know this. Many of this features wont even ever be available. It will always be a cripple mobile OS unless Apple accepts certain apps in its app store or makes it more open or whatever.

Please, tell me how often you do any of this.

Sensamic
Jul 14, 2012, 06:01 PM
Look I love my galaxy S3 & I moved from the iPhone too it. But these last couple of lists lead me to believe you have not used ios & are just trolling. There are several of those items that can easily be done on ios. If you used ios you would know these things.

Which of the ones I listed can you do on iOS? Enlighten us please. And jailbreak does NOT count, since its not available on stock. Im waiting for your list, so please reply.

Actually, I just reread my list and NONE of those options are available on stock iOS, so what are you talking about???? Thats why I listed them: because they are not available on iOS.

Ive had iphone 4 2 years, ipad 1 2 years and ipod touch 3 years, so I guess I havent used iOS...


Please, tell me how often you do any of this.


Again, just because some people dont use them regularly does not mean its better to not have them. Its ALWAYS better to have more features. Im no average user. I like all these stuff and I do indeed use them every week.

Again, this are smartphones were talking about! We are in 2012. Phones are evolving at a very fast pace and whether you like it or not people demand more features.

I guess for you the only real useful features are the ones iOS offers you, right? Right... because Im sure you use every day FaceTime, and Game Center, and Garageband on iOS, and Pages and Keynote on iOS, etc. I dont use these features but Im sure many people do, so I welcome them.

Many people wont download torrents on their phones, but some do. Many people wont play emulators on their phone, but some do. Even if you don't it doesnt mean they are useless. The choice is there for any one who wants them and needs them.

I guess iCloud was not necessary at all on iOS, right? Because your logic means iphone should only be used to call and text.

tekno
Jul 14, 2012, 06:33 PM
There are just so many things the S3 can do that the iPhone cannot (and I'm sure vice versa, just not so many). Some are not so useful but some, in my opinion, are amazing features that stop me even considering an iPhone again (in bold) even though I've been on Android just three months after 5yrs on iPhone. It baffles me the iPhone doesn't do even half these things.



- use widgets on home screens.
- swipe away individual notifications you're done with.
- toggle settings like wifi, Bluetooth, screen brightness, etc quickly using the notification bar (or home screen widgets).
- use any app that relies on NFC.
- run any app in the background including ones that need to maintain a constant connection, for example IRC clients. This also means you can have something like Spotify start downloading a playlist and just leave it alone. On ios it would stop after ten minutes; on Android, it doesn't.
- access the file system.
- DLNA.
- send any attachment (and multiple) directly from an email composition screen.
- gallery shows photos from PC using DLNA and also online sources like Picasa.
- mount your phone as a drive on your pc.
- install custom keyboards.
- use live wallpapers.
- install apps from outside of the google play store.
- use custom home screen launchers.
- use custom lock screen apps, including ones that let you add widgets.
- take pictures whilst recording video.
- take pictures using your voice.
- answer calls using your voice.
- gestures such as flip the phone to silence it, put your palm on the screen to silence it, swipe across screen to take a screenshot etc.
- Bluetooth/wifi direct file transfers.
- thumbnails in the video player are live and show previews of the video.
- you can replace the default browser, messaging app, etc.
- built in maps has transit navigation, street view, indoor views of locations you look up, etc. [and being able to cache maps is awesome]
- download large apps on the mobile network.
- faster way of closing background apps and switching between apps.
- you can share photos directly from the gallery or other services to any service that implements the sharing API. For example, you can share Facebook photos to Twitter and vice versa. That's only an example, it can support any app eg. Instagram, Flickr, Picasa, etc.

Is that enough?
And dont forget:

- Downloading torrents
- Playing emulators (N64, PSX, GB, GBA, GG, etc)
- MicroSD support for up to 128GB if you want [possibly the best!]
- Many more options in camera app
- Theme support for changing icons and whatnot
- Notification LED [Surprisingly cool]
- Google Now and new Voice Search when it comes plus offline voice typing and even better notification system
- 4.8 screen
- Ability to change the way some things work to your own
- Blacklist in contacts app (this for when apple? Never?)
- Vastly superior YouTube app, Gmail, Maps
- Ability to download any thing like a .rar file and extract its files
- Radio FM
- Way better stock calendar app which shows you year view and works in landscape with any mode (week, day, year, month. iOS only works on week view in landscape. LAME)
- Save pages in browser for offline viewing (keep waiting for iOS 6...)
- Reject calls with SMS (iOS 6...)
- Face unlock, pattern unlock
- Icons in lockscreen for quick access, weather, voice commands, news feeds, etc
- Ability to upload ANY file to a server or NAS (not just pictures or videos. LAME LAME LAME)
- Downloads or background processes dont stop when you are pressing the screen (like on iOS, when the browser page stops loading if your finger in pressing the screen)
- Gestures all over the OS for smoother transitions
- Social updates on the contacts app
- Swype keyboard (you are sooooooooooo behind iOS!!!)
- Phone lighter and thinner than iPhone with capacitive buttons



I really look forward to Apple's reply. It appears that they won't get up to speed with iOS 6 but perhaps with 7. I'm a consumer and have no attachment to any company or product line, but at the moment Android and the S3 seems a long way ahead of iOS/iPhone. I can't believe Apple will rest on their laurels and look forward to Apple jumping ahead of Android in a couple of years. By openly and without bias picking the best phone, I'm the winner every time.

DanteMann
Jul 14, 2012, 06:53 PM
Please, tell me how often you do any of this.

This is what I ask all the iOS users claiming how they just can't leave iOS because of the hundreds of apps they have purchased. Really? How often do you use those apps? Many here use their "hundreds" of apps purchased as an anchor to iOS. Give me a break. How many have bought apps in the last couple of years, only to use them a handful of times and never to be used again. How do people even act like they remember all the apps they have purchased? And act like those hundreds of apps are so crucial to their phone use and used on a regular basis. When comparing iOS to Android apps at this point is a non issue. The everyday user of smartphones will find just what they need in terms of apps on both mobile OS'. But it's the feasibility of Android that will always be it's biggest advantage.

Vegastouch
Jul 14, 2012, 06:54 PM
Please, tell me how often you do any of this.

Who cares how many he uses. The point is he can use all or half, or only a few. They are there if you want them. Some people may never use them....which would be you,and maybe that is just because you dont have them, ...who knows but some people may use a lot of them and many listed there are built in everyday things, like youtube, ...that everyone uses and is better on Android. Then there is the screen size which is a reason one chooses the phone, the LED notification...many if not all will use that, Keyboards, the Calender is awesome,Blacklist in contacts, ...etc, etc. I dont use them all but i use many.

Point is there are many more features. Remember when many here said they didnt need notifications? Well how many love them now? There is a fairly new App in iTunes that does some toggles of adding things to turn on and off that i cant recall the name of it, and seems most everyone is pretty excited about it.

So just because you wont use any of those and just want to make calls and text, doesnt mean you are the majority because you arent. Pretty funny how one arguement here to iTunes is there are many more Apps and they are better but you claim the features listed on the GS3 and JB are useless and nobody would use them :rolleyes:

DanteMann
Jul 14, 2012, 06:57 PM
By openly and without bias picking the best phone, I'm the winner every time.

I've practiced this all my life. I have absolutely no ties to any manufacturer as they couldn't care less for me or my family. They owe me nothing but a product worth my money. And I owe them nothing, definitely not my blind loyalty. Blindly following a company gives them all the power and you end up getting the short stick every time. I feel sad for anyone who blindly follows any company and bends over and takes whatever is given to them.

Vegastouch
Jul 14, 2012, 06:58 PM
It's probably already been said, but after spending a little bit of time with the S3, I couldn't get over how light and cheap it felt in my hand. For a phone that size, it felt like a plastic toy.

That is more powerfull than your glass toy :p

I was using my friends S3 just last night and it looks like it does lag when there are a lot of widgets on the home screen. An they reload quite often. It's annoying, touch whiz is the culprit.
Tell your friend to get Apex or Nova launcher. Touchwiz first of all, i dont care for it much but it is also loaded with widgets that he can get rid of if he wants. You have to learn how to use your phone.

DanteMann
Jul 14, 2012, 07:02 PM
It's probably already been said, but after spending a little bit of time with the S3, I couldn't get over how light and cheap it felt in my hand. For a phone that size, it felt like a plastic toy.

So you would prefer a heavy small brick. Don't confuse lightness with cheap feel. I guess you must think carbon fiber is cheap feeling too. Hey whatever floats your boat.

Sensamic
Jul 14, 2012, 07:05 PM
I'm a consumer and have no attachment to any company or product line.

Exactly.

Rennir
Jul 14, 2012, 07:07 PM
Please, tell me how often you do any of this.

Did you even read the list? Google Apps-youtube, gmail, etc., swype (cause you know, nobody ever types on their phones :rolleyes:), notification LED, the list goes on.

jvmxtra
Jul 14, 2012, 07:12 PM
I am another super apple person(owns ipod 4th gen,iphone 4s,imac 27 2011,mba 13 2012, ipad 2)..

I have to say however that this gen is last for phone as I will be making a switch over to droid in the fall. I don't see apple getting out of this comfort zone and they really should. I want choices and there is nothing wrong w/ that. I want big screen and apple is not willing to give it to me(they can or SHOULd do multiple screen size)..

Argument use to be that ios is smoother but faster hardware and android's relentless project(such as butter project) will make them catch up to ios(if not already). There are apps that I will miss (or I am not sure I can do w/out).. such as air video(yes i used that very often) and something like itune universities...

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 08:37 PM
That is more powerfull than your glass toy :p


Tell your friend to get Apex or Nova launcher. Touchwiz first of all, i dont care for it much but it is also loaded with widgets that he can get rid of if he wants. You have to learn how to use your phone.

So he has to download a new launcher for the phone to run smooth? Yikes

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 08:39 PM
This is exactly why I left android after three phones. Got annoying as hell that I have tinker with the phone for it work properly. Never going back to that.

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 08:41 PM
So you would prefer a heavy small brick. Don't confuse lightness with cheap feel. I guess you must think carbon fiber is cheap feeling too. Hey whatever floats your boat.

IMO it also feels cheap... Htc one x feels much better

Vegastouch
Jul 14, 2012, 09:00 PM
So he has to download a new launcher for the phone to run smooth? Yikes
Doesn't have to. As i said he can also turn off the widgets he wont feel are useful. There are a ton of them preloaded on TW and many are crap that the carrier puts on there. However, another launcher imo would work better and it doesnt take long to set it up how you like it.

All your really doing is choosing your own customization and then setting up your home screen as you would on your iPhone.

Pretty tough going there :rolleyes: It takes a whole 10 seconds to download it and then your own setup.

I did a reset on mine for the hec of it after a backup just to try it out and it loaded all my apps back up with data saved without me telling it to. I didnt have to do anything. Does the iPhone do that?

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 09:19 PM
Doesn't have to. As i said he can also turn off the widgets he wont feel are useful. There are a ton of them preloaded on TW and many are crap that the carrier puts on there. However, another launcher imo would work better and it doesnt take long to set it up how you like it.

All your really doing is choosing your own customization and then setting up your home screen as you would on your iPhone.

Pretty tough going there :rolleyes: It takes a whole 10 seconds to download it and then your own setup.

I did a reset on mine for the hec of it after a backup just to try it out and it loaded all my apps back up with data saved without me telling it to. I didnt have to do anything. Does the iPhone do that?

It doesn't have to do that. That's the whole point.

Rennir
Jul 14, 2012, 09:29 PM
This is exactly why I left android after three phones. Got annoying as hell that I have tinker with the phone for it work properly. Never going back to that.

Not work properly--to work at it's highest capability. In a sense, you're optimizing your phone. It makes sense really because Google only controls the Android OS, and not the hardware that Android gets put on, and therefore, out of the box, iOS is more optimized to the iPhone than Android is to whatever phone you bought. But after a little bit of tinkering, the gap no longer exists and the Android phone may be even more optimized.

I would say the essence of Android is tinkering. People who like Android generally don't mind tinkering. Since you never want to mess with any of the underlying technology in a mobile OS, I think you made a good choice choosing iOS instead :)

Zaft
Jul 14, 2012, 09:32 PM
Not work properly--to work at it's highest capability. In a sense, you're optimizing your phone. It makes sense really because Google only controls the Android OS, and not the hardware that Android gets put on, and therefore, out of the box, iOS is more optimized to the iPhone than Android is to whatever phone you bought. But after a little bit of tinkering, the gap no longer exists and the Android phone may be even more optimized.

I would say the essence of Android is tinkering. People who like Android generally don't mind tinkering. Since you never want to mess with any of the underlying technology in a mobile OS, I think you made a good choice choosing iOS instead :)

Like I said I had android so I'm fully aware of the tinkering. I did a lot of it. It just got annoying for me. I wanted a stable platform : )

chestvrg
Jul 14, 2012, 09:52 PM
Sharing a personal opinion, if you plan to jump ships to another smartphone (android devices in this case), make sure you keep your current iPhone, because if you regret the change, you can always go back to your iPhone.

In my personal experience, I ended up jumping ships to a Gnex GSM unlocked (exchange via craiglist), and in the end after having some difficulties getting to work it in the vision of iOS I ended up going through some pain getting my iPhone 4S back.

Luckily, the guy whom I had exchanged my iPhone for the Gnex was honest and ended up giving it back to me. So keep your iPhones with you in case you decide to come back to an i device.

Sensamic
Jul 15, 2012, 12:05 AM
So he has to download a new launcher for the phone to run smooth? Yikes

And you need to jailbreak to add functionality to your phone?

Or hold the phone in a certain way for it to work properly? Remember: "You are not holding it correctly".

Yikes.

Zaft
Jul 15, 2012, 12:40 AM
And you need to jailbreak to add functionality to your phone?

Or hold the phone in a certain way for it to work properly? Remember: "You are not holding it correctly".

Yikes.

That was a stupid thing Steve jobs said back then. I don't have to jailbreak to get my phone to run smooth.

earwig75
Jul 15, 2012, 01:09 AM
If apple doesn't start making larger screened iPhones soon they'll be irrelevant in a few years. Android and windows phone have caught up and passed apple. I used to hate Android but its now amazingly fast and stable.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 02:06 AM
It doesn't have to do that. That's the whole point.

If you jailbreak, its a nice thing to have so i dont agree.

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Like I said I had android so I'm fully aware of the tinkering. I did a lot of it. It just got annoying for me. I wanted a stable platform : )
And now they are here. You left too early and now though you have a good device, it is behind the one you left. But, nothing wrong with that.

Mac.World
Jul 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
Like I said I had android so I'm fully aware of the tinkering. I did a lot of it. It just got annoying for me. I wanted a stable platform : )

And on the flip side of that coin, there are probably iOS users that have grown tired of the same old OS, Apple dictating what can and can't be done, the constant cat and mouse battle between jailbreaking a product to free it, only to have Apple slam the door shut on your device a week later. It can become tiresome. I waited until I felt there was an Android phone that could meet my personal needs and wants and it took until 2012 to make that happen, which says a lot about the iphone and it's capabilities. The S3 is my new phone and it has required very little tinkering to make it look very iOS-ish. Once a certain app is updated for the us version of the S3 called Lightflow, my phone will be perfect.

But don't for one second think I am abandoning the iPhone. I will be one of the first pre-orders for at&t, and if I hate it and my wife hates it, I will simply take it back minus the 35 dollar restock fee. No biggie. But I want to feel this new phone, take photo's and do comparisons between the S3 and the new iphone.

tekno
Jul 15, 2012, 03:55 AM
Sold my 4S this morning and got the S3.

Happy with it so far.
What made you do this?

kevinof
Jul 15, 2012, 04:59 AM
I don't think the tinkering argument is valid any more. When Android was first released and for a couple of years afterwards , yes tinkering what what made Android great. There is still a small group of android users that tinker with roms etc but you can be the vast majority of the millions of Android users out there never change roms, never mind root their phone.

My father (83) , sister and son (12) have all gone Android and not one of them ever ever change anything on the handset. They just use it like a smartphone should be used- photos, email, music, browsing etc In fact they have no idea you can change the entire look and feel of the os.

My 2 cents.

....
I would say the essence of Android is tinkering. People who like Android generally don't mind tinkering. Since you never want to mess with any of the underlying technology in a mobile OS, I think you made a good choice choosing iOS instead :)

jsbaugh
Jul 15, 2012, 10:15 AM
I also made the jump from the 4s to GS3 and so far very happy. I love Apple products but feel they are getting left behind on the phone side. iOS6 isn't all that great and the ip5 leaks look like a mild upgrade.

joshwithachance
Jul 15, 2012, 10:43 AM
So my Galaxy S III came in the mail yesterday and I knew immediately it was the better device for me. The extra screen real estate, expandable memory slot, so far amazing battery life, widgets, form factor, notification LED, loud & clear speaker, super smooth OS, etc. make this such a solid smartphone.

Will I still recommend the 4S to some people? Of course! But I am really glad I made the switch to the SIII, and Apple finally has a true competitor on it's hands.

andyx3x
Jul 15, 2012, 07:00 PM
Long time iPhone user here who bought the Galaxy S3 on T-Mobile last night. I have the $30 plan there where I get 100 anytime minutes, unlimited data(up to 5gb's at 4g speeds) and unlimited texting. The problem is that I only get access to 2g with the iPhone on T-Mobile so I thought I'd make the switch.

A couple of initial thoughts after about a day with the phone. I do still notice a little lag that is frustrating to me after zero lag with the iPhone. It probably won't be a deal breaker though.

The accelerometer doesn't work as well on this phone as with the iPhone. If you play Temple Run on the iPhone and then on the S3, you'll know what I'm talking about. The game also looks crappy on the S3. I guess that's because these game are made for iOS and then ported over to Android.

As for the camera debate that I've been reading about in this thread, my opinion is that the camera on the S3 is better than the one on the 4S. Colors just seem to be more vibrant to me.

I still haven't made a decision whether to keep the S3 or not. It's 50/50 at this point.

BTW, what browser do you find to be best. I'm enjoying the Dolphin HD browser at this point. Any other recommendations?

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 07:13 PM
Long time iPhone user here who bought the Galaxy S3 on T-Mobile last night. I have the $30 plan there where I get 100 anytime minutes, unlimited data(up to 5gb's at 4g speeds) and unlimited texting. The problem is that I only get access to 2g with the iPhone on T-Mobile so I thought I'd make the switch.

A couple of initial thoughts after about a day with the phone. I do still notice a little lag that is frustrating to me after zero lag with the iPhone. It probably won't be a deal breaker though.

The accelerometer doesn't work as well on this phone as with the iPhone. If you play Temple Run on the iPhone and then on the S3, you'll know what I'm talking about. The game also looks crappy on the S3. I guess that's because these game are made for iOS and then ported over to Android.

As for the camera debate that I've been reading about in this thread, my opinion is that the camera on the S3 is better than the one on the 4S. Colors just seem to be more vibrant to me.

I still haven't made a decision whether to keep the S3 or not. It's 50/50 at this point.

BTW, what browser do you find to be best. I'm enjoying the Dolphin HD browser at this point. Any other recommendations?

You can get Chrome, Opera, Firefox. I used to use Opera mini a lot and have it installed but ive been using the stock browser a lot on this phone. Im also trying out Chrome as well.
Dolphin is good. I didnt like it two years ago when i tried it but it is much better than it was. Just try them all and pick the one you like.

If you dont care for Touchwiz, install Apex and or Nova launchers.

Here is a couple of my Apex home screens themed.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/Boltjolt/Screenshot_2012-07-14-16-36-16.png http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/Boltjolt/1342309887886.jpg

mjpearce023
Jul 15, 2012, 10:01 PM
Seems to me this shoots down your theory. I cant imagine diciding something sucks after only 10 minutes. Hec 2 hours and you took it home only to discover some time later it wasnt fo you. You contradicted yourself bigtime on this one....lol

How did I contradict myself? I heard good things about the Galaxy S2 and went to AT&T to check it out. After 10 minutes messing around with it I knew that it wouldn't work for me. I did the same thing with the HTC One X and I liked it after 10 minutes so I gave it a shot. Unfortunately after day to day use I realized it just didn't work for me. The OP stated in 2 hours he decided he didn't like the S3. I don't see why that's such a sin that he made a decision in 2 hours. It doesn't matter if it takes you 10 minutes, 2 hours or 2 weeks, if you don't like something you don't like it. How is that contradictory?

bosco2012
Jul 15, 2012, 10:16 PM
Why are you so upset that I didn't like the galaxy? Does my personal choices bother you?

But you asked and you shall receive.

"I don't care for anything but an iPhone"

:0)

I also only like iPhone, i will wait for iPhone 5 ...

depths
Jul 15, 2012, 10:31 PM
I'm finding the longer I spend with Android, the more I'm reverting to a stock look.

I do miss apex on JB though, hope it gets updated soon.

http://imgur.com/lNUCV.png

Sorry for the Android screens iPhone users.

walie
Jul 15, 2012, 10:49 PM
I'm finding the longer I spend with Android, the more I'm reverting to a stock look.

I do miss apex on JB though, hope it gets updated soon.

http://imgur.com/lNUCV.png

Sorry for the Android screens iPhone users.

FYI, Apex was recently updated with support for JB. I'm running it on my galaxy nexus right now

andyx3x
Jul 16, 2012, 02:21 AM
Question. I bought the 16gb S3. If I buy a 32gb SD card, that basically gives me 48gb of storage for anything, right? Let's say for example that I buy a full season of a TV show that is 20 gb's. Does this go on the SD card or is the SD card just reserved for certain things? Basically, does anything go on the SD card after the whole 16 gb's of internal storage are used up?

depths
Jul 16, 2012, 02:30 AM
FYI, Apex was recently updated with support for JB. I'm running it on my galaxy nexus right now

Yep, I know. I reinstalled as soon as they updated but the performance isn't there yet. Nova is as fast as stock but even with prime its missing some options I use.

kevinof
Jul 16, 2012, 03:55 AM
You can choose what to put on the sd card. I have 16gb on the phone for apps and other "phone" stuff. The 32gb sd card is for photos, video and music. After you format the 32gb card you basically get 29GB to play with. Android will put nothing else on there unless you tell it to.


Question. I bought the 16gb S3. If I buy a 32gb SD card, that basically gives me 48gb of storage for anything, right? Let's say for example that I buy a full season of a TV show that is 20 gb's. Does this go on the SD card or is the SD card just reserved for certain things? Basically, does anything go on the SD card after the whole 16 gb's of internal storage are used up?

daveathall
Jul 16, 2012, 04:18 AM
Long time iPhone user here who bought the Galaxy S3 on T-Mobile last night. I have the $30 plan there where I get 100 anytime minutes, unlimited data(up to 5gb's at 4g speeds) and unlimited texting. The problem is that I only get access to 2g with the iPhone on T-Mobile so I thought I'd make the switch.

A couple of initial thoughts after about a day with the phone. I do still notice a little lag that is frustrating to me after zero lag with the iPhone. It probably won't be a deal breaker though.

The accelerometer doesn't work as well on this phone as with the iPhone. If you play Temple Run on the iPhone and then on the S3, you'll know what I'm talking about. The game also looks crappy on the S3. I guess that's because these game are made for iOS and then ported over to Android.

As for the camera debate that I've been reading about in this thread, my opinion is that the camera on the S3 is better than the one on the 4S. Colors just seem to be more vibrant to me.

I still haven't made a decision whether to keep the S3 or not. It's 50/50 at this point.

BTW, what browser do you find to be best. I'm enjoying the Dolphin HD browser at this point. Any other recommendations?

Try this to get rid of the lag;

From the home screen press Menu > Settings > Developer options > Window animation scale and Transition animation scale

Now change both to 0.5x or set it to off. This helps more the US versions since they are using the dual-core instead of the quad core processor.

tekno
Jul 16, 2012, 05:12 AM
S3 is a very hard phone to get right now,

That is true. I ordered mine on Amazon and it didn't arrive until 10am the next day. With lead times that long I'm amazed parliament aren't discussing getting the army involved.

mattopotamus
Jul 16, 2012, 07:03 AM
I'm finding the longer I spend with Android, the more I'm reverting to a stock look.

I do miss apex on JB though, hope it gets updated soon.

http://imgur.com/lNUCV.png

Sorry for the Android screens iPhone users.

I like the default look better...touchwiz is pretty good :)

That is true. I ordered mine on Amazon and it didn't arrive until 10am the next day. With lead times that long I'm amazed parliament aren't discussing getting the army involved.

i walked right into att yesterday and picked one up....granted it is a corporate store.

pankajdobariya
Jul 16, 2012, 07:15 AM
the biggest selling point for Samsung Galaxy s3 is its looks, which is completely different from iPhone 4s. and also its screen size really rocks.

mattopotamus
Jul 16, 2012, 07:21 AM
the biggest selling point for Samsung Galaxy s3 is its looks, which is completely different from iPhone 4s. and also its screen size really rocks.

looks, and the os. If icecream is running this good....i cannot imagine how well JB will run

mattopotamus
Jul 16, 2012, 08:08 AM
Agree 100% This is an Apple iPhone forum, not Android for the trolls that come here. Moderators should understand this and start banning those that migrate over here to do nothing, but post android bragging. :confused: :mad: Again, this is an iPhone Apple forum.

It is happening b.c the iphone 5 is about to come out, so people are discussing what is better/currently available and why. If it is contained in one thread that should be ok, but i agree with multiple threads about it.

Sincci
Jul 16, 2012, 10:02 AM
The only reason why people post about Android in this forum is because there isn't any Android subforum for these kind of threads (even a one combined forum for "Other Mobilephones would be nice). Also, banning people just because they use Android and want to talk about it on MACRUMORS would be kinda silly since those users can still be Mac users. It's not like you'll have to support only apple 100% to have a right to be in this forum.

So, if you see an Android thread in this forum and it offends you (for whatever reason), don't click it and read it, nobody is forcing you to do so. And if you do, please don't repeat the same "mods should ban all those Android trolls since this is an iPhone fanforum and Android users have no place in here!!" BS on those threads like SR45 is doing, it just starts an unnecessary flamewar and ruins the discussion for everyone, which imo would be a much better reason for a ban.

mattopotamus
Jul 16, 2012, 10:06 AM
the only reason why people post about android in this forum is because there isn't any android subforum for these kind of threads (even a one combined forum for "other mobilephones would be nice). Also, banning people just because they use android and want to talk about it on macrumors would be kinda silly since those users can still be mac users. It's not like you'll have to support only apple 100% to have a right to be in this forum.

So, if you see an android thread in this forum and it offends you (for whatever reason), don't click it and read it, nobody is forcing you to do so. And if you do, please don't repeat the same "mods should ban all those android trolls since this is an iphone fanforum and android users have no place in here!!" bs on those threads like sr45 is doing, it just starts an unnecessary flamewar and ruins the discussion for everyone, which imo would be a much better reason for a ban.

<3

Dolorian
Jul 16, 2012, 08:37 PM
the biggest selling point for Samsung Galaxy s3 is its looks, which is completely different from iPhone 4s. and also its screen size really rocks.

Yeah that large screen on the Galaxy S3 is one sexy thing and it is very much the main reason why I feel compelled to switch to it from my iPhone. I don't have problems with my iPhone 4 or iOS for that matter but I just keep getting more and more interested in and attracted by the Galaxy S3 and the idea of giving Android a shot to try something different for a change no longer feels as far fetched as before.

I'll wait out till Apple presents the iPhone 5 before deciding tho, it all depends on what Apple comes up with.

andyx3x
Jul 16, 2012, 08:58 PM
Try this to get rid of the lag;

From the home screen press Menu > Settings > Developer options > Window animation scale and Transition animation scale

Now change both to 0.5x or set it to off. This helps more the US versions since they are using the dual-core instead of the quad core processor.

Thanks for the tip.

BTW, I've decided to keep the S3 now. It's really grown on me the past few days. I can't say that I won't go back to the iPhone, but it will be the fall of 2013 at the earliest. I would want to wait until T-Mobile gets the iPhone and that it when it will probably happen.

Dmaynard83
Jul 16, 2012, 09:00 PM
Large screen to me just makes it difficult to type with 1 hand. Better screen does mean better movie viewing. But am I really going to watch movies on my phone? No

andyx3x
Jul 16, 2012, 09:03 PM
It is happening b.c the iphone 5 is about to come out, so people are discussing what is better/currently available and why. If it is contained in one thread that should be ok, but i agree with multiple threads about it.

The reason that there is so much talk about the Galaxy S3 is that it's the first phone that is truly a big threat to the iPhone. I don't think Apple ever broke a sweat worrying about other phones but I'll bet they are now.

Calidude
Jul 16, 2012, 09:10 PM
So, if you see an Android thread in this forum and it offends you (for whatever reason), don't click it and read it, nobody is forcing you to do so. And if you do, please don't repeat the same "mods should ban all those Android trolls since this is an iPhone fanforum and Android users have no place in here!!" BS on those threads like SR45 is doing, it just starts an unnecessary flamewar and ruins the discussion for everyone, which imo would be a much better reason for a ban.
They're just getting upset because Apple is causing people to be disenchanted with their products.

I do wonder why people go into threads like these when they know they aren't going to like what they read. It's like a Communist having a seat at a Ron Paul speech. They should just ignore it or only go in with an open mind.

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The reason that there is so much talk about the Galaxy S3 is that it's the first phone that is truly a big threat to the iPhone. I don't think Apple ever broke a sweat worrying about other phones but I'll bet they are now.
I wouldn't say that. The Galaxy S3 is far from what I would consider to be a true iPhone killer, despite being good. It's more that Apple has been slacking this year, and it's making people fall out of their Apple trance.

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Large screen to me just makes it difficult to type with 1 hand. Better screen does mean better movie viewing. But am I really going to watch movies on my phone? No
If you need to type with one hand, you should just stay with the iPhone, but most people don't.

aohus
Jul 16, 2012, 09:17 PM
with custom ROMs that will be available to Galaxy S3 Owners soon, the Galaxy S3 wins out without a doubt. You're talking about the latest dual core SoC + 2GB of RAM, w/ the potential for AOSP ROMs like this on the Galaxy Nexus.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2W5bAC35g3s/UATJYvMZm5I/AAAAAAAABX4/-i_lbk88_P4/s800/Screenshot_2012-07-16-19-09-13.pnghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zbE8A3H5NtM/UATMhWcS2XI/AAAAAAAABYg/wKCSAoUa3s4/s800/Screenshot_2012-07-16-19-20-56.png

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7uXSKGWs6Tw/UATKWDdOeBI/AAAAAAAABYI/F0B5uq6QWjY/s800/Screenshot_2012-07-16-19-13-25.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9EBf9TWKHoM/UATKYzES-NI/AAAAAAAABYQ/EZmpkJV-zRo/s1280/Screenshot_2012-07-14-21-53-55.png

Google Earth (medium image quality)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CSfrIInu-dQ/UATK3dnd9NI/AAAAAAAABYY/avnAirWO90Y/s1280/Screenshot_2012-07-16-19-15-23.png

onthecouchagain
Jul 17, 2012, 09:49 AM
^^^
Your post makes me think of Batman saying "Beautiful, isn't it?" :)

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/dragonwings_DL/The%20Dark%20Knight/symbol6.jpg

matttye
Jul 17, 2012, 12:50 PM
Truth be told I'm actually thinking about selling my S3 and getting an iPhone unless Google/Samsung stop giving me crap updates.

I updated the software on my phone and it gave me a hand full of bug fixes and improvements, but it's completely cocked up a few things.

1. Trying to copy text to clipboard results in a crash in any app.
2. I can no longer use S Voice over bluetooth if my phone has a 3.5mm jack plugged in.

This sort of thing doesn't happen with iOS!

Having all the extra features is all well and good until features I use every single day break. :mad:

mattopotamus
Jul 17, 2012, 01:16 PM
Truth be told I'm actually thinking about selling my S3 and getting an iPhone unless Google/Samsung stop giving me crap updates.

I updated the software on my phone and it gave me a hand full of bug fixes and improvements, but it's completely cocked up a few things.

1. Trying to copy text to clipboard results in a crash in any app.
2. I can no longer use S Voice over bluetooth if my phone has a 3.5mm jack plugged in.

This sort of thing doesn't happen with iOS!

Having all the extra features is all well and good until features I use every single day break. :mad:

That is weird...i can cut and paste without crashing

matttye
Jul 17, 2012, 01:19 PM
That is weird...i can cut and paste without crashing

There's a number of reports of crashes on an Android forum I visit, and the general consensus is that the only way to fix it is to factory reset the phone.

Sven11
Jul 17, 2012, 01:23 PM
iPhone 4S > iPhone 4 > iPhone 3GS > iPhone 3G > iPhone > Everything else

Nintendolinky
Jul 17, 2012, 01:35 PM
I have a retina Macbook and I really think Apple products are great, but I have just upgraded to a Galaxy S3 from an iPhone 4S, and the main reason was because of the size of the phone, thats about it really.

I love the 4.8" screen and how so much easier it is to view the web and the watch videos, than on the iPhone.

A few other smaller aspects I like, the openness of Android is a great draw, however on the iPhone jailbreaking can moot this somewhat.

Custom roms are also something I like trying and making, making a phone how I want rather than how the manufacturer is something I like.

I love the iPhone though and the features apple have built into iOS is great and iMessage, Photo Stream, and the overall smoothness, which iOS is even compared to Ice Cream Sandwich/Touchwiz.

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
Truth be told I'm actually thinking about selling my S3 and getting an iPhone unless Google/Samsung stop giving me crap updates.

I updated the software on my phone and it gave me a hand full of bug fixes and improvements, but it's completely cocked up a few things.

1. Trying to copy text to clipboard results in a crash in any app.
2. I can no longer use S Voice over bluetooth if my phone has a 3.5mm jack plugged in.

This sort of thing doesn't happen with iOS!

Having all the extra features is all well and good until features I use every single day break. :mad:

Ive seen and read many people having bugs after flashing the new firmware. Thats why I wont be flashing anytime soon. My SGS3 works great and I dont want to mess it up. I can wait a few weeks for the update to come over the air instead of flashing and risking doing something wrong.

Maybe you can flash to your previous firmware again, right?

gman27
Jul 17, 2012, 03:08 PM
I love the 4.8" screen and how so much easier it is to view the web and the watch videos, than on the iPhone.


I'm with you there. Honestly I think Android is becoming more popular among Mac users. Apple does have something very solid, but there are times when it feels like they're a generation behind, the 3.5" screen being one of them.

ZCherub
Jul 17, 2012, 03:17 PM
I'm tempted to go the route of the S3 (or better) this fall (waiting for firm details on what the iP5 has for us).

The big screen and processor are the main draws (I like the customization options that Android has, but I always jailbreak by iPhones, so it's not that big of a drawback). One of my biggest reservations is that Android OS has never seemed to have that "fluid" interface that Apple has nailed.

It's not terrible, and maybe it's a stupid thing to choose a phone over, but I notice that Android OS tends to have a little lag/catch when swiping to change screens, etc. whereas Apple OS is velvet smooth every time (ran into some lag after installing a jailbreak tweak, but that was easily corrected).

Has this improved recently on Android, or does Apple still have the upper hand in the UI department here?

AustinIllini
Jul 17, 2012, 03:18 PM
the 3.5" screen being one of them.

This is the place where the iPhone needs to catch up. 4" is a bandaid, but I really can't go back after the 4.8" beast of a screen. Everything else in iOS is sufficient to dominate the current android sales.

matttye
Jul 17, 2012, 03:27 PM
Ive seen and read many people having bugs after flashing the new firmware. Thats why I wont be flashing anytime soon. My SGS3 works great and I dont want to mess it up. I can wait a few weeks for the update to come over the air instead of flashing and risking doing something wrong.

Maybe you can flash to your previous firmware again, right?

I went back to the previous version...

Same problem with the clipboard, and this is affecting Kies and OTA updates from what I can see. :(

but Bluetooth/S voice is working again hurray!

SnowLeopard2008
Jul 17, 2012, 03:29 PM
The iPhone 4S has several key advantages despite being the older smartphone. The camera is still top notch. Even better than the Nokia PureView IMO. The screen is better. IPS is king. High pixel density is king. As if AMOLED isn't disgustingly horrid as it is, they had to make it even worse by cheaping out with PenTile. I don't see how this can even be considered a flagship. The ONE KEY COMPONENT in a smartphone is the display. That's where everyone spends 100% of their time. They touch it, they read from it, they look at it, etc. If it's some AMOLED junk coupled with PenTile junk, what is left of this key component? And a plastic chassis? Is Samsung trying to sell me some cheap crap? Plastic can be done right, just look at the HTC One X. Or it can be not done at all, refer to Samsung Galaxy S III. All Samsung did was stuff it to its gills with half-baked crap like S Voice, S Beam (hello, Android Beam), and other S branded, half-baked features that vaguely mimic the function and form of Apple or Android native features. There is not a single thing about the S III that impresses me other than how complete FAIL it is.

iPhone 4S vs. Galaxy S III is like taking candy from a baby. It should be an illegal fight. Now the HTC One X or the Galaxy Nexus or the Moto Atrix HD... that's a bit more competitive.

aldo82
Jul 17, 2012, 03:31 PM
After deliberating for weeks I have now made the switch to the Galaxy S3. Here are my views...

I started my apple life with the iphone 3G then upgraded to the 3GS and 4 on launch and added a macbook and ipad along the way. I would say I became an apple fanboy and convinced many to try the iphone, most of whom have never looked back. I felt disappointed by the 4S release and decided to give it a miss. I intended to get the new ipad yet again I was disappointed so decided to save my money. The iOS6 announcement quite frankly disappointed again and I for the first time found myself looking around...

I'd never really looked at the alternatives ever since I switched to iphone from the Nokia N95 and just assumed that it was the best. My mum picked up a cheapo android phone running some old version of the OS and whilst not nice compared to my iphone 4 there were aspects even in that old OS that I liked and I found myself seriously looking into android. I didn't want to leave apple mainly due to iCloud and iMessage but I kept looking at the S3 and decided in the end I had to try it. Its cheap in the UK on contract so I thought it was worth a punt to see what all the fuss is about

So initial impressions are, I'm impressed, very impressed! The hardware is nice. Yes its big and iphone wins on compactness but the S3 is more ergonomic and fits nicely in the hand due to the curved designed. I have small hands so one handed use isn't easy but I normally use two so not an issue. The screen is awesome and the size really improves useability.

What I'm most impressed with is the OS itself. Yes I came from the iphone 4, not 4S, so I was using 2 year old hardware but I'm amazed at how smooth everything is, and polished in the OS. What I really like is the customisability. Whether widgets are a good thing or not, at least there is the choice on android. Having quick toggles for wifi and other settings is a god send. I love the ability to change the keyboard and the set a different browser. I also like how the broswers can actually be different unlike iOS that cripples them.

The only real issue I've noticed so far is big battery drain early on. I believe this was down to setting gmail up with the gmail app but also as exchange (like I did on the iphone to get push). I think the exchange service was staying active and eating power so I've disabled that and all is much happier.

Early days for me with android but so far at least I'm sold. I look forward to the next line of Nexus handsets probably more than I look forward to the next iphone announcement. I find it a shame in some ways but I'll keep an eye on apple to see if they can win me back! Their hardware will always be top notch but I think their OS is too restrictive, If they allow apps to talk to each other more and better broswer options, allow the keyboard to be changed, allow the default sms or email apps to be changed. In other words allow me to choose then I may come back. Perhaps in iOS7...!

frag2
Jul 17, 2012, 03:32 PM
I'm tempted to go the route of the S3 (or better) this fall (waiting for firm details on what the iP5 has for us).

The big screen and processor are the main draws (I like the customization options that Android has, but I always jailbreak by iPhones, so it's not that big of a drawback). One of my biggest reservations is that Android OS has never seemed to have that "fluid" interface that Apple has nailed.

It's not terrible, and maybe it's a stupid thing to choose a phone over, but I notice that Android OS tends to have a little lag/catch when swiping to change screens, etc. whereas Apple OS is velvet smooth every time (ran into some lag after installing a jailbreak tweak, but that was easily corrected).

Has this improved recently on Android, or does Apple still have the upper hand in the UI department here?

yep. Unless your eyes read in "micro frames per second", you won't know the diff really.

I've used every single iteration of Android and if it weren't for the fact that the OS is so fragmented, I'd still be using Android.

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 03:37 PM
I went back to the previous version...

Same problem with the clipboard, and this is affecting Kies and OTA updates from what I can see. :(

but Bluetooth/S voice is working again hurray!

I do agree with you that Samsung updates are awful. That was kind of expected. But then Apple does not impress me anymore with its iOS 6 and leaving my iPhone 4 out of the new best features.

matttye
Jul 17, 2012, 03:44 PM
I do agree with you that Samsung updates are awful. That was kind of expected. But then Apple does not impress me anymore with its iOS 6 and leaving my iPhone 4 out of the new best features.

Another problem it has is incompatibility with accessories (not many things support mtp yet, most support usb mass storage mode I.e. car stereos etc). I'm struggling to find a single car stereo in the UK that supports mtp.

ChazUK
Jul 17, 2012, 04:16 PM
Another problem it has is incompatibility with accessories (not many things support mtp yet, most support usb mass storage mode I.e. car stereos etc). I'm struggling to find a single car stereo in the UK that supports mtp.

Any reason you wouldn't opt for a car stereo with A2DP Bluetooth connection?

StyxMaker
Jul 17, 2012, 04:23 PM
But if Apple introduced this feature (Direct Call), it'd be the smartest greatest thing, maybe? Or would people also call it an unnecessary convenience?

Unnecessary, and not much of a convenience. If I wanted to talk to them, I wouldn't be texting them.

ZCherub
Jul 17, 2012, 04:26 PM
yep. Unless your eyes read in "micro frames per second", you won't know the diff really.

I've used every single iteration of Android and if it weren't for the fact that the OS is so fragmented, I'd still be using Android.

I see - thanks! Why does so much of this thread center around the S3 if that's the case? What about the HTC One X, etc.? Aren't there other Android devices that compete as well with the 4S?

matttye
Jul 17, 2012, 05:25 PM
Any reason you wouldn't opt for a car stereo with A2DP Bluetooth connection?

Does A2DP usually let you change tracks using stereo itself? If so I might. I just have a crappy one that I connect using AUX atm.

The iGentleman
Jul 17, 2012, 07:42 PM
Does A2DP usually let you change tracks using stereo itself? If so I might. I just have a crappy one that I connect using AUX atm.

Yes it does. I currently have a Kenwood unit that does this. It even works with other music apps like Pandora.

frag2
Jul 17, 2012, 08:28 PM
I see - thanks! Why does so much of this thread center around the S3 if that's the case? What about the HTC One X, etc.? Aren't there other Android devices that compete as well with the 4S?

Perhaps because the S3 is the first real device that competes with a 4S and fanboys don't like competition. I personally use a 4S myself and have no problems with the S3 or the Nexus with JB.

OneX is fine too but it does appear a bit slower. It does flake a bit at stock.

andyx3x
Jul 17, 2012, 09:17 PM
I am so torn about what to do right now.

I bought the Galaxy S3 on Saturday and have been playing around with it quite a bit. It's definitely the best Android phone I've ever played around with.

I have also owned every generation of the iPhone and have loved every one. I've always recommended the iPhone to everyone I know.

I keep going back and forth on which phone to keep. Last night, I decided to keep the 4S but today I changed my mind and decided on the Galaxy S.

When I got home tonight and picked up my 4S, I was stunned by the beauty of the retina display after looking at the screen on the S3 all day. It made me appreciate the screen on the 4S even more than I already had.

Pros for the S3:

1) Bigger screen(may be a tad too big though)
2) $30 plan I have on T-Mobile gives me 5gb of 4G data. T-Mobile's HSPA+ network is blazing fast
3) Bigger screen much nicer is watching YouTube or Netflix

Pros for the iPhone:

1) Retina display
2) Only 2g right now on T-Mobile. Will probably have access to 3g later this year
3) Tweetbot is the best Twitter app and is not available on Android
4) Apps look and perform better on the iPhone and the app store is top notch
5) No lag. There is a little lag on the S3

Tough decision.

Zaft
Jul 17, 2012, 09:25 PM
I am so torn about what to do right now.

I bought the Galaxy S3 on Saturday and have been playing around with it quite a bit. It's definitely the best Android phone I've ever played around with.

I have also owned every generation of the iPhone and have loved every one. I've always recommended the iPhone to everyone I know.

I keep going back and forth on which phone to keep. Last night, I decided to keep the 4S but today I changed my mind and decided on the Galaxy S.

When I got home tonight and picked up my 4S, I was stunned by the beauty of the retina display after looking at the screen on the S3 all day. It made me appreciate the screen on the 4S even more than I already had.

Pros for the S3:

1) Bigger screen(may be a tad too big though)
2) $30 plan I have on T-Mobile gives me 5gb of 4G data. T-Mobile's HSPA+ network is blazing fast
3) Bigger screen much nicer is watching YouTube or Netflix

Pros for the iPhone:

1) Retina display
2) Only 2g right now on T-Mobile. Will probably have access to 3g later this year
3) Tweetbot is the best Twitter app and is not available on Android
4) Apps look and perform better on the iPhone and the app store is top notch
5) No lag. There is a little lag on the S3

Tough decision.

Being stuck on 2g just defeats the purpose of the phone. I would either wait to see if tmobile gets the new iPhone or keep the S3

Mac.World
Jul 17, 2012, 09:34 PM
Pros for the iPhone:

1) Retina display
2) Only 2g right now on T-Mobile. Will probably have access to 3g later this year
3) Tweetbot is the best Twitter app and is not available on Android
4) Apps look and perform better on the iPhone and the app store is top notch
5) No lag. There is a little lag on the S3

Tough decision.
on your S3 download Tweetcaster Pro. It will remind you of Tweetbot.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 09:37 PM
on your S3 download Tweetcaster Pro. It will remind you of Tweetbot.

https://lh6.ggpht.com/1CxE8M648nKVA0NL2hgSj9LkT7lyKIizt1xLmpUz1PMWP_IPfopw3zF2jkNJImaJjmk

http://www.top-ipad-apps.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/iPhoneBlog.de_TweetBot2.jpg

Yep. Identical. :rolleyes:

Mac.World
Jul 17, 2012, 09:48 PM
Yep. Identical. :rolleyes:

well, it's nice to know sarcasm is alive and well. http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/images/smilies/asshat.gif I didn't say it was identical, I said it would remind you of Tweetbot. It functions very similarly.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 09:49 PM
well, it's nice to know sarcasm is alive and well. Image (http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/images/smilies/asshat.gif) I didn't say it was identical, I said it would remind you of Tweetbot. It functions very similarly.

:D

Most Twitter apps function the same. It's pretty much the UI that sets them apart, imo.

Mac.World
Jul 17, 2012, 09:55 PM
:D

Most Twitter apps function the same. It's pretty much the UI that sets them apart, imo.

I use them both daily and like them both. Tweetbot is slightly better imo, but that might have something to do with the fact I have been using it a lot longer, since I only recently acquired the S3 and began using Android. I wish Tweetbot was on Android, just like I wish Atomic web browser and Sparrow+ were. But that is a whole nother discussion. :D ;)

Technarchy
Jul 17, 2012, 10:01 PM
Perhaps because the S3 is the first real device that competes with a 4S and fanboys don't like competition.

I think we've heard this before...

Nexus One
Palm Pre
Nexus S 4G
Galaxy S
HTC Evo
Galaxy SII
HTC sensation
Galaxy SII

How many first real devices will come first before people stop uttering this foolishness.

andyx3x
Jul 17, 2012, 10:01 PM
Being stuck on 2g just defeats the purpose of the phone. I would either wait to see if tmobile gets the new iPhone or keep the S3

I know. To me, this is the main selling point of the S3 right now.

Vegastouch
Jul 17, 2012, 10:07 PM
Tweetcaster is really good. I use that and Plume. I like both for different reasons. Im not a big Twitter user but do have two accounts/usernames because i follow different things with both.

Tweetcaster is mostly sports related and the other is Music, acquaintances and tech stuff....but i dont even follow 100 people/things combined. I dont really care to follow celebrities.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 10:08 PM
I think we've heard this before...

Nexus One
Palm Pre
Nexus S 4G
Galaxy S
HTC Evo
Galaxy SII
HTC sensation
Galaxy SII

How many first real devices will come first before people stop uttering this foolishness.

Don't forget the Samsung Instinct on Sprint... :rolleyes:

http://gizmodo.com/374454/sprints-samsung-instinct-at-last-a-decent-iphone-competitor

Vegastouch
Jul 17, 2012, 10:10 PM
Don't forget the Samsung Instinct on Sprint... :rolleyes:

http://gizmodo.com/374454/sprints-samsung-instinct-at-last-a-decent-iphone-competitor

C-mon man, everything seemed to be deemed iPhone killers which was ridiculous. There will be no iPhone killer except for Apple temselves but the GS3 is the first to give Apple a real run for their money.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 10:11 PM
C-mon man, everything seemed to be deemed iPhone killers which was ridiculous. There will be no iPhone killer except for Apple temselves but the GS3 is the first to give Apple a real run for their money.

I was being sarcastic. :rolleyes: Man, you read way into my posts...I even used the sarcastic smiley.

andyx3x
Jul 17, 2012, 10:31 PM
the GS3 is the first to give Apple a real run for their money.

This is 100 percent true.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 10:32 PM
This is 100 percent true.

I'm not seeing how. They're both pretty equal. Just depends on whether you want Android or iOS.

Vegastouch
Jul 17, 2012, 11:52 PM
I was being sarcastic. :rolleyes: Man, you read way into my posts...I even used the sarcastic smiley.

That isn't a sarcastic smiley. :p this one is

BaldiMac
Jul 18, 2012, 08:40 AM
That isn't a sarcastic smiley. :p this one is

Tha's not true. Check out what it says when you hover over each smiley. :)

batting1000
Jul 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
That isn't a sarcastic smiley. :p this one is

You love picking battles with me, don't you? :rolleyes: