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IJ Reilly
Jul 11, 2005, 11:54 AM
An L.A. man tells of 54 frustrating days in custody in Iraq but still plans to finish his film.

BAGHDAD — The wiry Los Angeles aspiring filmmaker was an unlikely prisoner inside a cell block that included Tariq Aziz, Saddam Hussein's deputy, and other high-level officials of the former regime.

But after 54 days of detention, Cyrus Kar, a 44-year-old Iranian American working on a documentary film about the 5th Century BC Persian emperor Cyrus the Great, was released Sunday and headed to the relative safety of a Baghdad hotel outside the U.S.-protected Green Zone.

Kar, speaking to reporters, described long, frustrating days in solitary confinement with little information about his status or reason for being held. At the same time, Kar said he was well-treated while he was held and understood security concerns in war-torn Iraq.

"I don't hold anything against them for holding us," he said. "What I hold against them is they put us in a cell and forgot us."

He and his cameraman, Farshid Faraji, a freelance journalist for Iranian television and a resident of Tehran, were detained after they were found riding in a taxicab that unbeknownst to them, they said, contained 35 to 37 timers for washing machines, which can be used by insurgents to make bombs.

Kar was held in Camp Cropper, the detention facility housing Saddam Hussein and other regime stalwarts. Faraji, 34, was held in a section of the infamous Abu Ghraib prison that included suspected foreign fighters from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Sudan and Egypt. On Sunday, Kar and Faraji lumbered their equipment and their remaining possessions up to their small room and chatted about their ordeal, recalling their frustration with the American authorities who held them.

"They knew from the get-go that we were nothing more than filmmakers," said Kar, who served in the Navy. "They saw my VA card in my wallet."

Kar called the circumstances of their May 17 arrest in the city of Balad "quite bizarre." He and Faraji had hired a taxi driver about an hour before the arrest. As the cab was waved through a checkpoint manned by Iraqi soldiers, the driver pulled over and told authorities he had two Iranian filmmakers in his cab.

Iraqis sometimes suspect Iranian pilgrims and businesspeople of being spies for the religious regime in Tehran.

The soldiers searched the car and in the trunk found the three dozen washing machine timers. The driver admitted the timers were his, but the soldiers arrested all three men, handing them over to Americans.

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Kar said he repeatedly asked to see someone from the embassy but no one came until Saturday.

He said he also asked for an attorney but never saw one.

Kar said he passed a lie detector test in which he was asked whether they belonged to the insurgency. His eight weeks of confinement were dull. He was not allowed to speak to any of the detainees that were housed with him, he said. He spent his days reading through the Geneva Convention, which he can now practically recite.

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The authorities threw away the pair's clothes but bought them new ones after their release. Kar said a $500 graduation ring from Pepperdine University was taken from him at the time of his arrest but was not returned. About $600 in cash, a cell phone and a digital camera with pictures from his trip disappeared from their hotel room while they were in custody, and Kar said the FBI damaged his U.S. passport while examining whether it was authentic.

Rosenbaum and Kar's family said that during the government's investigation, U.S. authorities destroyed about 20 hours of footage for his film, as well as a laptop that had nothing on it but information related to Kar's documentary.

Rosenbaum said he and two other ACLU attorneys on the case, Ahilan Arulanantham and Ranjana Natarajan, spent hours on the phone Sunday with the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad trying to expedite Kar's return.

With his passport unusable, they were told, Kar would not receive another one for at least a week.

Kar's family and the ACLU attorneys decried the military's actions, with Rosenbaum calling the government statement "a disgrace."

But military officials said Sunday that the matter had been handled and resolved appropriately.

"This case highlights the effectiveness of our detainee review process," Brig. Gen. Don Alston was quoted as saying in the statement. "We followed well-established procedures, and Mr. Kar has now been properly released."

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kar11jul11,0,5400286.story



anonymous161
Jul 11, 2005, 12:32 PM
"This case highlights the effectiveness of our detainee review process," Brig. Gen. Don Alston was quoted as saying in the statement. "We followed well-established procedures, and Mr. Kar has now been properly released."

Yes, 2 months in a prison and destruction of a Passport and personal property are effective.

skunk
Jul 11, 2005, 12:39 PM
Yes, 2 months in a prison and destruction of a Passport and personal property are effective.Perhaps not the adjective I'd use....

zimv20
Jul 11, 2005, 05:15 PM
slightly OT, but...

i'm in north carolina at the moment, waiting for my flight returning me to chicago. i've just gone through US customs and immigration and, imo, it's worse than ever. i've never been arrested, i pay my taxes, i haven't had a parking ticket in years. but i'm made to feel like a criminal.

i couldn't even guess how many times i've crossed a country's borders (i've been to about 20 countries, many more than once), and aside from my entry to romania in 1993, this one was the worst. actually, i take it back -- the romanian officials didn't make me feel like a criminal, that was more like a scene from a fellini film.

what does it say that other countries make me feel more welcome than my "home?"

btw, it's even worse for foreigners in the US. they're made to give fingerprints from each index finger and have their photograph taken. that's what i know about, anyway.

one more thing -- i left a post-terrorist-attack london. every passenger got a thorough questioning (5 minutes) from security before even approaching the ticket desk. but my english agent was polite, good-humored and respectful. kudos to the brits for being so damned reasonable in the past week.

Thanatoast
Jul 11, 2005, 05:33 PM
i would say mr. kar's treatment at the hands of his own government was effective if it made everyone wake up and realise we've gone off the deep end.

since the military detained someone who was not a terrorist, who *is* an american citizen, and who is now sueing them, i would call that the opposite of effective.

skunk
Jul 11, 2005, 06:09 PM
Depends on the meaning of "effective".

I know what you mean, Zim. The rudeness foreigners - even white anglos - encounter on entering the US is astonishing. And I'm seriously wondering whether I want my biometrics stored by the US government.

IJ Reilly
Jul 11, 2005, 08:07 PM
Yes, 2 months in a prison and destruction of a Passport and personal property are effective.

Which might suggest that something is wrong with the procedure, but nooooo.

Ugg
Jul 11, 2005, 08:15 PM
Depends on the meaning of "effective".

I know what you mean, Zim. The rudeness foreigners - even white anglos - encounter on entering the US is astonishing. And I'm seriously wondering whether I want my biometrics stored by the US government.

At least you have a choice. :mad:

Of course that means you couldn't come here but whether that's a great loss or not I don't know.

The new ID card in the UK seems to have gained momentum this last week. Do you think that it will actually fly?

skunk
Jul 11, 2005, 08:33 PM
At least you have a choice. :mad:

Of course that means you couldn't come here but whether that's a great loss or not I don't know.Of course it would be a pity. I may have to make do with the t-shirt.

The new ID card in the UK seems to have gained momentum this last week. Do you think that it will actually fly?I hope not. I can't see how it would have made any difference anyway. I think it's a lousy idea for all sorts of reasons, the most obvious ones being that it's nothing like 100% accurate, which means that lots of people will be put through unnecessary trauma when they don't "register" correctly, it would lead to a sense of false security because once you're "through" the turnstile you'll be regarded as "clean", and free to do what you like, and how long before a scanner is available which can "read" your card in your pocket and copy it for identity theft? Yet another hare-brained, half-assed scheme.

IJ Reilly
Jul 11, 2005, 11:12 PM
Depends on the meaning of "effective".

I know what you mean, Zim. The rudeness foreigners - even white anglos - encounter on entering the US is astonishing. And I'm seriously wondering whether I want my biometrics stored by the US government.

I don't know about your biometrics (and really don't want to know), but if you come to this part of the country, I'll try to promise you a non-rude time.

Incidentally, lest you think rude treatment at the hands of immigration agents is unique to the US, I can tell you've I've been grilled rather discourteously by the self-same upon entry to your country, and this was long before 9-11. I felt hurt for a moment and then figured they were just doing their job.

solvs
Jul 12, 2005, 02:29 AM
Well hey, at least they got fed well. :rolleyes:

anonymous161
Jul 12, 2005, 12:12 PM
Well hey, at least they got fed well. :rolleyes:

Way to look at the bright side. While we're at it, at least they weren't buried up to their necks with honey on their heads.

mactastic
Jul 12, 2005, 12:24 PM
Well hey, at least they got fed well. :rolleyes:

Rice pilaf means never having to say you're sorry. :(

zimv20
Jul 12, 2005, 04:13 PM
link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4672433.stm)


Iraq suspects suffocate in heat

Nine building workers have died in Iraq after being arrested on suspicion of insurgent activity and then left in a closed metal container.

Three men survived the ordeal, police sources said, despite being left for 14 hours in the burning Iraqi summer heat.

They had apparently been caught up in a firefight between US troops and Iraqi gunmen, and were detained after taking an injured colleague to hospital.

Police commandos face numerous claims that they abuse and torture detainees.

Meanwhile, gunmen have attacked an Iraqi army checkpoint north of Baghdad, killing at least nine soldiers.

Scorching heat

Police sources told the BBC that at least 12 men had been arrested on Sunday after they had taken a colleague to hospital in Ameriya with gunshot wounds.

A local resident, thinking they were insurgents, called the police, who sent commandos to arrest the men.

At about midday, they were put into a metal container and by nightfall eight prisoners were dead and three were in a critical condition.
The survivors were taken to a central Baghdad hospital where staff said a ninth man died.

The Iraqi capital suffers scorching heat during the summer months, with temperatures often reaching 50 degrees.

A doctor told the BBC that one of the survivors had said he had been given repeated electric shocks by the commandos.

(more)

skunk
Jul 12, 2005, 08:13 PM
They must have learnt that technique from your boys in Kunduz in Afghanistan. In that case, it was more like three hundred prisoners, and when they opened the containers a few days later the bodies had liquefied in the heat....

Remember this?

http://home.no.net/dawatnet/secret_history.htm
Secret History?
Overseas documentary alleges war crimes in Afghanistan.

By Adam Porter
Did Northern Alliance troops massacre 4,000 men in Afghanistan last November? Yes, according to a documentary recently completed by Irish filmmaker Jamie Doran. Witnesses in the film say the massacre was committed under the watch of U.S. soldiers.

Massacre at Mazar describes how approximately 7,500 men, allegedly Taliban troops, surrendered after the battle of Kunduz in November 2001 to the forces of Rashid Dostum, now deputy foreign minister of Afghanistan. The men were packed into sealed shipping containers and taken to Sheberghan prison, a jail then under U.S. control in the northwestern part of the country. Of the 7,500 captured, about 4,000 are now missing. According to witnesses in the film, those 4,000 were executed by Northern Alliance troops as they were being transported or as they arrived at the prison. The men were then buried in the desert-with the knowledge and complicity of some 30 to 40 U.S. soldiers.

Sheer determination initially led Doran to Mazar and the massacre. There was intense fighting around Kunduz at the end of November, and Doran and his four-person film crew fought to reach the war's actual front line. "We had to make our point pretty forcefully," he says. After he was taken to false frontline trenches, Doran told his guides, " 'Look, this ... [is] a ****ing
tourist trap. Show me the real thing.' "

"They take us to another 'front line' where there is nothing going on," he
says, "so I repeat myself. 'This is the ****ing Hilton hotel.' The Northern
Alliance soldiers were sitting around smoking cigarettes. So they move us to another trench 300 meters ahead. That was the front line. We could see the Taliban troops."

"The rest of the journalists, the ones you saw on TV, well, they must have
been-how can I say this-at a different front line."
As Doran explains it, "Just under 8,000 men surrendered at Kunduz, [and]
they were taken to Qala-I-Janghi, a fortress near Mazar. 300 were spirited
away by Pakistani Intelligence services, the ISI; some [were] Uzbeks, some Tajiks. ... So, somewhere in the region of 7,223 men were still there.

Basically, the Northern Alliance commanders in Qaala-I-Janghi counted the
men leaving [the fortress] and then counted the men arriving in Sheberghan. 7,223 left; around 3,000 arrived." One witness, a truck driver, said he and others were forced to take hundreds of the captured men, many of whom were still alive, into the desert. "The captured men-some of whom were not fighters at all, but were rounded up because of their ethnicity-were packed into sea containers and stuck on the back of lorries," Doran says. "Many of them were left sealed in the heat. One of our witnesses said when they heard the cries of the men asking for air they just shot into the containers, live rounds. He admits doing it. Another witness, a taxi driver, stopped at a petrol station and said he smelt something awful. The guy from the petrol station said, 'Look at that container parked behind you.' Blood and goo were leaking out of the
container."

Footage from the film showed large areas of compact red sand dotted with
traces of bones, including jawbones, skulls, and pieces of army clothing.
The Pentagon denied the claims immediately after the documentary was shown in Europe in June. A spokesman said it had looked into allegations "a few months ago, when allegations first surfaced," and found no evidence of U.S. participation in or knowledge of the massacre.

Yet Doran's evidence is overwhelming. "The witnesses claimed that the 4,000 or so men were executed and buried in mass graves in a place called Dasht Leile near Qala-I-Janghi. We went and filmed there. They were also definite that around 30 to 40 American soldiers were there at the time."
Two groups, the United Nations and Physicians for Human Rights, have also
reported finding a mass grave in the area. Both exhumed bodies from the
site; forensic examination revealed all had died of suffocation. Both have
recommended investigations.

The film has been shown around Europe. Rush footage was played to members of both the European Union and the United Nations, prompting immediate calls for a war crimes investigation. Now Channel 5, a national TV station, has agreed to show the film in the United Kingdom. Scotland's Daily Herald reported that members of the U.S. Congress and military were also going to view the film in late June. But the story, like the corpses of the men, remains buried, long after the atrocities took place. Doran is most worried at the prospect of someone tampering with the graves.

"Whilst the politicians are doing nothing, the crime scenes can be tampered
with," he says. "The mass graves we filmed are just sitting there. The six
witnesses we have, including guys who say they shot some of the men and the Northern Alliance commander and general who alerted us to the massacres, are all vulnerable." Some of the those witnesses have received death threats, he says. "It is illegal under the Geneva Convention not to investigate allegations like this. Yet no one shows any sign of doing so. That is the real story."

solvs
Jul 13, 2005, 02:16 AM
See, and the friends of mine who are soldiers and would never do anything like this... this kinda makes them look bad and get shot at. Please stop making us look bad. We're supposed to be the good guys.