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azpc
May 18, 2012, 07:32 PM
Ability to turn off versions?

Restore Save As?

Turn off Resume?

Turn off Automatic termination?

When an app shuts down without my permission it is a crash, not a feature!

Ability to turn off Reopen Windows Next Time?

Turn off Autosave?

Restore colored icons in Finder?

Restore quicklook - zoom in on pdf's?

Optional restoration of scroll arrows?

Options to control Green Zoom Button behavior?

""I don't want old windows to open back up unexpectedly, files to get modified without my consent, or apps quitting when I'm still using them. I want to be able to predict what my computer will do, after all, it's a machine, it should be predictable."



Puevlo
May 19, 2012, 06:24 AM
No, it's far worse.

gumblecosby
May 19, 2012, 10:51 AM
Ability to turn off versions?

No.

Restore Save As?

No. This isnt coming back for Apple applications . Hopefully 3rd party programs will allow you to choose which save system you would like to use.

Turn off Resume?

This can be done in Lion by the way in the general pereference pane, unless Im misunderstanding you

Turn off Automatic termination?

Sadly no. This is a shame in my opinion

When an app shuts down without my permission it is a crash, not a feature!

Ability to turn off Reopen Windows Next Time?

Fixed in 10.7.4 and 10.8 for me anyway.

Turn off Autosave?

No

Restore colored icons in Finder?

No

Restore quicklook - zoom in on pdf's?

Yes. Hold option and scroll with 2 fingers

Optional restoration of scroll arrows?

No

Options to control Green Zoom Button behavior?

No. Same as it has ever been which I like by the way but I can see how it can annoy some people.

""I don't want old windows to open back up unexpectedly, files to get modified without my consent, or apps quitting when I'm still using them. I want to be able to predict what my computer will do, after all, it's a machine, it should be predictable."

Program Resume can be disabled in Lion and 10.8 and the checkbox bug was fixed in 10.7.4 so this should not be an issue

PurrBall
May 19, 2012, 12:33 PM
Restore Save As?

No. This isnt coming back for Apple applications . Hopefully 3rd party programs will allow you to choose which save system you would like to use.

Save As comes back when you hold down the option key and works as usual, even in Apple apps.

gumblecosby
May 19, 2012, 12:52 PM
Save As comes back when you hold down the option key and works as usual, even in Apple apps.

Nice. I didn't know that. Cheers

FSMBP
May 19, 2012, 01:44 PM
What is "Automatic Termination"? Is that when OS X plays janitor with your open apps and "Quits" them if it thinks you're not using them?

WSR
May 19, 2012, 05:46 PM
Let's not also forget that I don't think the following have been fixed:
A choice between "classic Spaces in a grid" and "Spaces in Mission Control"
A choice between "Full-Screen in the current Space" to allow the use of a 2nd monitor and "Full-Screen in it's own Space."

Plus, it's my understanding that Expose is only partially fixed. SL's Expose/Spaces still easier to move a specific window to another Space.

Krazy Bill
May 19, 2012, 06:01 PM
A choice between "Full-Screen in the current Space" to allow the use of a 2nd monitor and "Full-Screen in it's own Space."Help me understand this better...

You mean in ML, Full Screen apps are just like other apps now? i.e., they can share a space with other non full screen apps?

If this is true then good. Never understood why a full screen app was so special it deserved it's own desktop.

WSR
May 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
Help me understand this better...

You mean in ML, Full Screen apps are just like other apps now? i.e., they can share a space with other non full screen apps?

If this is true then good. Never understood why a full screen app was so special it deserved it's own desktop.

No, in Lion and I'm sure still in ML, when an app is taken to Full-Screen mode it is put into its own Space without a desktop behind it. Unlike in Snow Leopard where for most, but not all, apps, they are put into Full-Screen mode in the current Space leaving the desktop below it and accessible on a 2nd monitor.

I was saying that this hasn't been fixed since ML, they don't have this option.

Sorry for any confusion.

Ddyracer
May 19, 2012, 06:26 PM
Fine tune audio controls is back. I think it wasn't in 10.7.3 not sure.

Krazy Bill
May 19, 2012, 10:05 PM
I was saying that this hasn't been fixed since ML, they don't have this option.

Sorry for any confusion.

The error was mine. I read your post wrong.

David085
May 19, 2012, 11:06 PM
Ability to turn off your eye's sight :P

Let's Sekuhara!
Jun 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
Ability to turn off your eye's sight :P

LOL! Not sure what inspired your comment, but it led me to envision a user waking up one day with no eyelids. He's mortified and upset that he can no longer do basic functions such as sleep. He wants to revert to a previous version of Life, but the EULA he signed upon incarnating in a physical body dictated in the fine print that Life owes him nothing and that by using Life he agrees to the terms that Life can make unexpected and permanent changes to his reality at any moment. He doesn't even remember signing that agreement... must have clicked through without reading. After inquiring about his dilemma on Life's user forums another poster suggests that the eye's sight can be permanently disabled by removing the eyes entirely. This is a non-solution. Our poor user no longer wants anything to do with Life.

Why is my imagination so twisted? Not sure.
But hey, just remember that there could be worse things than Lion's Versions, Autosave, FullScreen, etc. :p

throAU
Jun 5, 2012, 08:38 PM
""I don't want old windows to open back up unexpectedly, files to get modified without my consent, or apps quitting when I'm still using them. I want to be able to predict what my computer will do, after all, it's a machine, it should be predictable."

Lion/ML is predictable. If you're working on something, it is saved. if you want an old version, you can go back time machine style.

If your machine needs to be restarted, it comes back as it was.

If apps need to be terminated, they are, and come back as they were when you switch to them, with data / state in-tact.


There's nothing unpredictable about Lion, and I'd argue that if an app crashes and you haven't saved your work in SL or earlier, that is a lot less predictable (loss of data) than Lion is.

Simplicated
Jun 6, 2012, 12:34 AM
Turn off Autosave?

Yes you can. Now there is an option that you can be asked whether to save the file when you make changes to a document.

Automatic Termination:

Such an annoyance. Luckily you can disable it with a terminal command:

defaults write -g NSDisableAutomaticTermination -bool YES

haravikk
Jun 6, 2012, 03:04 AM
Turn off Automatic termination?
It's worth pointing out that this feature is enabled by apps that are designed to support it, and can be turned on or off dynamically by an app, so part of the behaviour is up to the app developers.

For example, if an app has a large/complex file open that would take a while to save automatically or re-open automatically then the app could turn off automatic termination while that file is open.

A good default for an app is also to just have automatic termination work only if nothing is open, but it depends upon the app's ability to save quickly as that will determine whether the feature will impact the usability of the system. This way an app only closes itself if the user has simply forgotten to quit it.

Riemann Zeta
Jun 6, 2012, 08:39 AM
Automatic termination is such a stupid idea for a desktop OS, particularly in this age of >4GB RAM. Microsoft is adopting it for Metro apps on Windows 8 as well and the only reason must be the new WinARM build for tablets/phones. If operating systems could handle multitasking well back in the age of ~256MB RAM, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to today.

We have the technology to have more than one application running at a time, why would developers want to take that capability away?

heisenberg123
Jun 6, 2012, 10:02 AM
are these really things broken in Lion or changes you dont like?

Ive only ever used Lion for mac, but i like it better than any windows version ive used and ive used windows going back to windows 3.1 or whatever teh hell it was called

haravikk
Jun 6, 2012, 03:02 PM
We have the technology to have more than one application running at a time, why would developers want to take that capability away?
That's up to the developer; if your App doesn't do a lot when not in use, then why not implement auto-termination? Whether a machine has a ton of RAM or not is essentially irrelevant, as having a lot of it doesn't mean you should waste it, as keeping it clear means the OS can keep it for other things such as preloading the apps you're going to use rather than hanging to the ones you're no longer using.

There are a ton of good reasons for the feature to be in any OS, the problem is getting the balance right as apps that take even a few seconds to re-open will be much slower, rather than the seamless experience that I think Apple is hoping for (i.e - you shouldn't know that an app was auto-terminated).

I do however think that as a feature it's still rough around the edges, as there's no middle ground. For example, you can't have your app pretend to still be open, e.g - by using a Quicklook style cached preview to show what windows look like, even though if the documents aren't actually open. Apple is also going to have to be careful with how it interacts with Resume, as auto-termination needs to fail if an app can't store its Resume data.

JazzyGB1
Jun 6, 2012, 05:17 PM
Was really hoping we'd at least get the option via a tick box to have colour finder sidebar icons back.
Making everything grey is change for changes sake and a bad one at that.
Far more difficult to read and navigate the finder now.
For all the IOS integration, why not bring the colour element back.
Every icon in IOS uses different colours, so why make every icon in Finder grey?
Absolute madness!
C'mon apple - get it sorted. Just a tickbox to give those who want it the option of having it back.
Those that love the 'greyed out' interface can keep it, but those (like me), who would rather have their testicles hacked off with a blunt instrument than go grey, can go back to the splendour of colour!
It's a win win. Please please please bring back the colour!

pdjudd
Jun 6, 2012, 10:59 PM
C'mon apple - get it sorted. Just a tickbox to give those who want it the option of having it back.
Those that love the 'greyed out' interface can keep it, but those (like me), who would rather have their testicles hacked off with a blunt instrument than go grey, can go back to the splendour of colour!
It's a win win. Please please please bring back the colour!


If you are laboring under the delusion that Apple adds in features (especially to their UI) that they eliminated that goes against consistency, be prepared for disappointment. Apple is almost guaranteed not to do that. Apple is not about massive customization of the UI elements.

jpross123
Jun 6, 2012, 11:09 PM
Is the wifi dropping fixed in ML? I know in Lion my wireless internet gets dropped constantly

haravikk
Jun 7, 2012, 04:16 AM
Was really hoping we'd at least get the option via a tick box to have colour finder sidebar icons back.
While I can understand wanting an option, I don't think Apple is likely to offer anything for what is essentially a niche concern. Personally I like the duotone style, as it provides less distraction from what I'm actually looking at (folder contents) which remain in full-colour.

This is a trend that Apple is definitely taking on board, and which many apps are too, to eliminate overly colourful peripheral UI elements so that only the content of an app is coloured, which helps to keep the focus on the content. It's pretty much why every OS X version up until now has simplified things like title-bars, etc., removing a lot of the colourful plastic feel in favour of just staying out of the way.

Besides which, there is a ton of other stuff Apple needs to be doing to improve the Finder, I could live without coloured icons indefinitely if they'd just give us tabs or consistency in how the Finder works, rather than just how it looks.

JazzyGB1
Jun 7, 2012, 06:53 AM
[/COLOR]While I can understand wanting an option, I don't think Apple is likely to offer anything for what is essentially a niche concern. Personally I like the duotone style, as it provides less distraction from what I'm actually looking at (folder contents) which remain in full-colour.

This is a trend that Apple is definitely taking on board, and which many apps are too, to eliminate overly colourful peripheral UI elements so that only the content of an app is coloured, which helps to keep the focus on the content. It's pretty much why every OS X version up until now has simplified things like title-bars, etc., removing a lot of the colourful plastic feel in favour of just staying out of the way.

Besides which, there is a ton of other stuff Apple needs to be doing to improve the Finder, I could live without coloured icons indefinitely if they'd just give us tabs or consistency in how the Finder works, rather than just how it looks.

The finder is primarily a navigation tool and colours help many people (like me) with that navigation. I whole heartedly refute the suggestion that eliminating the colour 'keeps the focus on the content' - Nonsense!
Most of the time you use the finder you're not dealing with 'content' you are navigating a folder structure. Folders are much easier to distinguish from one another when they are different colours.
I'm glad you like the new interface, but many do not and giving those who do prefer colour the option of having it back, would have made ALL users happy and wouldn't have in anyway altered the experience of those who prefer the new UI.
It's just common sense.
ML isn't finished yet - so hope springs eternal! :)

JazzyGB1
Jun 7, 2012, 07:03 AM
If you are laboring under the delusion that Apple adds in features (especially to their UI) that they eliminated that goes against consistency, be prepared for disappointment. Apple is almost guaranteed not to do that. Apple is not about massive customization of the UI elements.

I'm not looking for 'massive customisation', just the option to have the colour back that has been staple part of every other version of OSX prior to Lion.
Apple don't do many 'u-turns' but it's not unprecedented.
Many have commented how Mission Control has been amended to bring some of the functionality of Spaces back, I'm just hoping for a similar amendment to the UI. A nice little tick box for the option under the 'General' tab in system preferences would be all that's needed. They have a similar thing at the moment for the option of 'Blue or Graphite' for interface elements, so it's not unreasonable to hope for an option for finder icons too.
It probably won't happen, but it definitely SHOULD happen.
It's still in Beta, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed! :)

Wild-Bill
Jun 7, 2012, 07:11 AM
What about Lion's "feature" of not being able to find or connect to one's wifi network after waking from sleep? Has that been addressed in ML ??

Cinder6
Jun 7, 2012, 11:11 AM
What about Lion's "feature" of not being able to find or connect to one's wifi network after waking from sleep? Has that been addressed in ML ??

Never experienced that.

Zcott
Jun 7, 2012, 02:17 PM
This thread screams of 'I just want them to release Snow Leopard again!'.

throAU
Jun 7, 2012, 09:37 PM
What about Lion's "feature" of not being able to find or connect to one's wifi network after waking from sleep? Has that been addressed in ML ??

Pretty sure that was fixed in Lion.

Wild-Bill
Jun 8, 2012, 01:39 AM
Pretty sure that was fixed in Lion.

No. It started in Lion. Check Apple's support forums. There's an active thread that started last year about it.

throAU
Jun 8, 2012, 02:24 AM
No. It started in Lion. Check Apple's support forums. There's an active thread that started last year about it.

Yes, i know it started in lion.

I believe it was also fixed in a patch, for Lion.

At least it was on our MBA.

haravikk
Jun 8, 2012, 04:26 AM
This thread screams of 'I just want them to release Snow Leopard again!'.
I don't think that that's fair; Snow Leopard is kind of the ideal that Apple should be shooting for, as it was a great update with clear improvements over Leopard. Anyone that prefers Snow Leopard can happily stay with it, it's just the kind of update that Apple should be using as the target to achieve or beat with every new update.

JazzyGB1
Jun 8, 2012, 07:22 AM
Anyone that prefers Snow Leopard can happily stay with it, it's just the kind of update that Apple should be using as the target to achieve or beat with every new update.

The problem is for many users is it's not a choice.
You can keep with Snow Leopard only if you have an older Mac. All current and future Mac hardware won't run it, so this is why the option of having colour finder icons in Mountain Lion is so important to me.
If I was able to run 10.6 on the latest hardware, than I wouldn't moan about any changes in the OS.
However as it stands we don't have a choice of OSX on new Macs, so I'm desperate for them to bring the colour back!

Krazy Bill
Jun 8, 2012, 10:14 AM
...so this is why the option of having colour finder icons in Mountain Lion is so important to me.

...so I'm desperate for them to bring the colour back!

Seriously? Of all the serious things in Lion NOT to like you chose this petty "eye candy" issue to complain about?

JazzyGB1
Jun 8, 2012, 10:29 AM
Seriously? Of all the serious things in Lion NOT to like you chose this petty "eye candy" issue to complain about?

It's not 'eye candy' its a fundamental change to its usability.
Colour makes navigating folders in the finder MUCH easier.
it's a functionality issue, not just an 'eye candy' one as you claim.

haravikk
Jun 9, 2012, 02:50 AM
Colour makes navigating folders in the finder MUCH easier.
This sounds like exaggeration to me; the only place that you're forced to have duotone icons is in the sidebar, and I've been using it without trouble for a while now. Once I got used to what the new icons looked like I don't think I've had a single issue using the duotone sidebar at all, except for a completely unrelated disk in favourites issues.

The finder window itself still supports colour icons exactly as before; if you can't live without the colour icons in the main area of the finder window, then you can easily change them.

That said, the only changed icons are the Apple official ones which only really exist at top-levels, i.e - your user folder and root folder, where the icons are perfectly distinguishable from one another without colour. Maybe if the change had taken place at a level with hundreds of icons then it'd be different, but I think they've done a good job of proving that the colour wasn't needed.

JazzyGB1
Jun 9, 2012, 01:29 PM
This sounds like exaggeration to me; .

Its not an exaggeration. I place shortcuts to my most used folders in the sidebar and now they all look the same (even the customised ones).
That's not an 'improvement' however you try and swing it.
I'm not asking for the grey to go away, I'm simply asking for the option to restore the colour sidebar for those (like me) who it genuinely degrades the user experience for.

And I'm not alone, theres many who feel the same, see here...https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3190705?start=270&tstart=0

So it's not an exaggeration at all, its a fact.
I'm happy it doesn't affect your workflow, but it does affect mine.

When you are typing in this forum, if all the smilies in the right were grey and all the icons above were grey, it wouldn't 'streamline' the interface, it'd simply make it more difficult to distinguish them from one another.
That's effectively what Apple chose to do with 10.7 and I'm hoping the option for colour returns in 10.8.

QuarterSwede
Jun 9, 2012, 01:48 PM
Fine tune audio controls is back. I think it wasn't in 10.7.3 not sure.
You can use Shift+Option+Volume Up/Down for fine control in 10.7.4. Not sure about lower versions.

haravikk
Jun 10, 2012, 04:38 AM
if all the smilies in the right were grey and all the icons above were grey, it wouldn't 'streamline' the interface, it'd simply make it more difficult to distinguish them from one another.
Not really true; it encourages better icon design as the icon should be able to clearly distinguish itself from others. If loss of colour causes loss of meaning then the icon was relying on colour as a crutch.

I'm not saying it's a right move for everyone, but for the majority duotone icons are a lot cleaner and less chaotic, and keep focus on content rather than UI, which is a trend Apple has been following for a while now. I just don't think that enough people benefit from a return of colour to the sidebar to warrant an option. The real issue is a lack of good icons that work with the sidebar, rather than the loss of colour icons which IMO never really worked at the small size of the sidebar anyway. Besides which, the sidebar includes the name of each item anyway, so I don't really see how it can be hard to find anything, I have plenty of things in my sidebar as well, but the trouble I have is with the items that show up as regular folders because their icons don't work properly in the sidebar.

Oh, and I'd love it if this forum had duotone smileys and topic icons, as smileys on forums have always been too colourful; the red angry face for example doesn't immediately convey anger/dislike to me, it just makes it harder to distinguish the actual shape of the face. The big grin being green is also essentially meaningless as it looks like its happy to be sick or something, all perfect examples of misuse of colour :)

JazzyGB1
Jun 10, 2012, 11:17 AM
I'm not saying it's a right move for everyone, but for the majority duotone icons are a lot cleaner and less chaotic, and keep focus on content rather than UI, which is a trend Apple has been following for a while now. I just don't think that enough people benefit from a return of colour to the sidebar to warrant an option. The real issue is a lack of good icons that work with the sidebar, rather than the loss of colour icons which IMO never really worked at the small size of the sidebar anyway. Besides which, the sidebar includes the name of each item anyway, so I don't really see how it can be hard to find anything, I have plenty of things in my sidebar as well, but the trouble I have is with the items that show up as regular folders because their icons don't work properly in the sidebar.

Oh, and I'd love it if this forum had duotone smileys and topic icons, as smileys on forums have always been too colourful; the red angry face for example doesn't immediately convey anger/dislike to me, it just makes it harder to distinguish the actual shape of the face. The big grin being green is also essentially meaningless as it looks like its happy to be sick or something, all perfect examples of misuse of colour :)

Now you are just being obtuse.
All I'm asking is for the colour sidebar (that I and many others prefer), to be made available again as an option for those who want it.
A checkbox in system preferences is all it would take and would not impact on your 'duotone' system that you love so much.

We live in a colour world and we see things in colour too, so to reduce an interface to just two colours (white and grey) makes absolutely no sense at all.
Next you'll be arguing that black and white TV was actually better than colour as you could 'focus on the content' - utter nonsense!
And you don't use the sidebar to 'view content' anyway, you use it to navigate it!
Colour cues are used everyday throughout society and make things MUCH easier.
That's why you have a red light to stop and a green light to go - not an icon in sight!
Traffic signs (that you also use to navigate) are different colours too.
it's no different for a computer interface.
Icons have been and always will be a secondary cue to colour.
That's why Adobe (who use nice clear icons), still put each of their apps in a different coloured box - it makes identifying them quicker and easier.
Its not rocket science and I think most reasonable people would accept my argument.

blow45
Jun 10, 2012, 07:11 PM
Now you are just being obtuse.
All I'm asking is for the colour sidebar (that I and many others prefer), to be made available again as an option for those who want it.
A checkbox in system preferences is all it would take and would not impact on your 'duotone' system that you love so much.

We live in a colour world and we see things in colour too, so to reduce an interface to just two colours (white and grey) makes absolutely no sense at all.
Next you'll be arguing that black and white TV was actually better than colour as you could 'focus on the content' - utter nonsense!
And you don't use the sidebar to 'view content' anyway, you use it to navigate it!
Colour cues are used everyday throughout society and make things MUCH easier.
That's why you have a red light to stop and a green light to go - not an icon in sight!
Traffic signs (that you also use to navigate) are different colours too.
it's no different for a computer interface.
Icons have been and always will be a secondary cue to colour.
That's why Adobe (who use nice clear icons), still put each of their apps in a different coloured box - it makes identifying them quicker and easier.
Its not rocket science and I think most reasonable people would accept my argument.

Of course. One has to be particularly unreasonable to even attempt to make a case for the contrary.

haravikk
Jun 11, 2012, 05:02 AM
Now you are just being obtuse.
No I'm not; you just have to look at many apps, pro-apps in particular and you can see a trend towards content-focused UI's, which means UI's that stay out of the way by being neutral in appearance.

Apple has been going that way with its OS for some time now, with flatter greys and various other touches that keep the UI from intruding on what you're doing. Colour icons in sidebars just aren't in keeping with that overall trend, so expecting Apple to include an option for something they clearly don't believe to be in the future of good UI design is unrealistic. I understand why some people want it, but I don't think those people are in the majority at all, as the majority most likely barely noticed the change, and are just happy to silently benefit from what is a cleaner overall UI.

Colour sidebar icons are by far the most minor thing in the Finder right now anyway, as it has about a hundred other things that need to be fixed or improved. The inability to keyboard + click on things within an unfocused Finder window being my personal favourite, as that's a feature of the old sidebar which I lament the loss of far more, since it means I have to click a Finder window then Apple-click the sidebar to open a new window for Downloads, which is a massive annoyance by comparison.


That's why Adobe (who use nice clear icons), still put each of their apps in a different coloured box - it makes identifying them quicker and easier.
Adobe is possibly the worst example you could have picked; their icons aren't really icons at all, they're just letters on a square, conveying absolutely no hint as to what the app is supposed to do. The reason their icons are coloured is because there is absolutely zero real visual information to tell them apart; a good icon shouldn't require you to learn what colour means what, it should convey some idea of what the app is for. Not to say that Apple's icons are really any better, but if you were to reduce the Adobe icons to their basic elements (the letters) and use them without the app-name then you can see just how little information they convey. In short; colour in Adobe's icons is a crutch to prop up bad icon design.

Which is a shame, as Adobe otherwise seems to follow Apple's UI philosophy, with nice neutral UI's. Photoshop CS6 especially showed this with the new black UI, which is great, though riddled with other problems (it's useless in a two-monitor setup).

bedifferent
Jun 11, 2012, 08:14 AM
Let's not also forget that I don't think the following have been fixed:
A choice between "classic Spaces in a grid" and "Spaces in Mission Control"
A choice between "Full-Screen in the current Space" to allow the use of a 2nd monitor and "Full-Screen in it's own Space."

Plus, it's my understanding that Expose is only partially fixed. SL's Expose/Spaces still easier to move a specific window to another Space.

Done:

TotalSpaces (http://totalspaces.binaryage.com)

A developer, Stephen Sykes, began work on "ReSpaceApp (http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp/support)", to bring back 10.5/6 "Spaces". He did so well, BinaryAge, the makers of "TotalFinder" and other apps, bought his project and renamed it "TotalSpaces". Stephen has been working hard every day, and has produced an app that is exactly like Spaces but even better. I've been using it on Lion and ML since day one, and it's perfect! As it's technically still in beta (and Stephen responds to everyone's posts and emails that same day, is extremely nice and very helpful), it's free. It will be $12/license which can be used on as many Mac's as you have. Already bought a license (as have many) to support his work.

Exposť:

The latest DP3.2, you can uncheck "Group windows by application" and now have "All Windows" Exposť.

10.8 has surprised me. Apple engineers are finally listening to developers and customers, memory management is finally improved/fixed and over stability is greatly improved. I can handle the iOS-ification, although I do not like it, just as long as they keep it a DESKTOP system for those who need it for work and not for just surfing the web and email - leave that for iOS (and don't give me this is a "post-PC era", Steve Jobs used a Mac Pro for his primary machine; desktop systems are not going away, they may change, but they will not disappear).

Tom8
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Did anyone catch if Apple said they'd fixed messages so that the Mac client can receive messages sent to my phone number, rather than only my Apple I.D?

sorenladegaard
Jun 14, 2012, 03:23 AM
This thread screams of 'I just want them to release Snow Leopard again!'.
Exactly! And I couldn't agree more.

I have personally downgraded from Lion back to Snow Leopard. And won't upgrade again. They SIMPLY HAVE to make autosave something I can turn off. My iMac is not a 21" iPad.

I am in the process of upgrading my mid-2007 iMac.

What is the latest version of the iMac that still supports Snow Leopard? I hope to be able to find a new one still in a shop somewhere.

Arctix
Jun 14, 2012, 05:34 AM
Did anyone catch if Apple said they'd fixed messages so that the Mac client can receive messages sent to my phone number, rather than only my Apple I.D?

At WWDC, they announced that they are going to merge your phone number with your Apple ID

InuNacho
Jun 14, 2012, 09:24 AM
It's not 'eye candy' its a fundamental change to its usability.
Colour makes navigating folders in the finder MUCH easier.
it's a functionality issue, not just an 'eye candy' one as you claim.

Yup, I may not have alot in my Finder Sidebar but it's a heck of a lot easier to get around with nice little different colored icons.

koolmagicguy
Jun 14, 2012, 09:53 PM
Fine tune audio controls is back. I think it wasn't in 10.7.3 not sure.

Please explain that... I don't know what fine tune audio controls means. I'm new to Mac.

koolmagicguy
Jun 14, 2012, 10:06 PM
Restore Save As?

No. This isnt coming back for Apple applications . Hopefully 3rd party programs will allow you to choose which save system you would like to use.



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Apple's deliberately drawing attention to the Save As feature in Mountain Lion.

http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html#autosave

Ddyracer
Jun 14, 2012, 10:29 PM
Please explain that... I don't know what fine tune audio controls means. I'm new to Mac.

In previous versions of OS X, Apple allowed you to control the brightness and audio in fine increments. Basically, you hit Option + Shift and the F keys and it raises or lowers the sound or brightness in little squares of 4 instead of one.

Option + Shift +F1 will lower the brightness. O+S+F2 will brighten it. It's the same for the volume control except you hit F11 (lowers) or F12 (raises) after O+S. Try it out!

Just make sure that the box which says "Use all F1, F2 etc. keys as standard function keys" (image below) is unchecked and your good to go. To make sure, go to the apple logo in the upper left hand of your screen, click, hit system preferences, than select keyboard.

On a side note, i never actually knew about this till people started complaining that it was gone.