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radiogoober
May 29, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dear Apple,

I'm a big fanboi. But, Xbox 360 is kicking the crap out of your Apple TV, and you know what? It's primarily a game system, and it is still more capable than your dedicated "hobby box." Please get on the ball. Didn't Steve have some way to revolutionize the industry? How about you at least catch up with it? Amazon video, apps, games, etc. Come on...



paulrbeers
May 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
Last I knew, I couldn't Airplay/mirror from my iphone to your xbox and your xbox uses more energy to run and costs more than 99 bucks. I also don't have an easy integration with itunes which is where all my music and videos are stored for playback on the Xbox (hacks do exist).

Just sayin.... You might be overly simplifying what the AppleTV can do.

iphone1105
May 29, 2012, 02:13 PM
Dear Apple,

I'm a big fanboi. But, Xbox 360 is kicking the crap out of your Apple TV, and you know what? It's primarily a game system, and it is still more capable than your dedicated "hobby box." Please get on the ball. Didn't Steve have some way to revolutionize the industry? How about you at least catch up with it? Amazon video, apps, games, etc. Come on...

They're two totally different devices, you say it yourself. So how are the two even possibly compaired? If anything compar the ATV to Rpku or Boxxee, those are actual media only devices. No gaming consoles.....

Last I knew, I couldn't Airplay/mirror from my iphone to your xbox and your xbox uses more energy to run and costs more than 99 bucks. I also don't have an easy integration with itunes which is where all my music and videos are stored for playback on the Xbox (hacks do exist).

Just sayin.... You might be overly simplifying what the AppleTV can do.

It costs more, but it also allows you to play AAA title video games, so you're paying for that luxury, as well as everything else, so yeah of course it will be more, it has a GIANT feature the ATV doesn't even offer.

This is silly IMO two totally different devices with two totally different core functions designed for different markets. I bet half if not more gamers can give a crap their xbos can stream hulu or netflix.....

JasonR
May 29, 2012, 02:13 PM
Lately, I am getting errors streaming video files to my xbox using Connect360. Even with iTunes movies. Highly annoying.

heisenberg123
May 29, 2012, 02:20 PM
goober the ATV is intended for playing whats in your iTunes libary as well as netflix and the other channels on there ie MLB, NHL etc.

what does the ATV not do that its advertised to do?


there are so many devices that stream things to your TV to even list so sure depending on what types of media you are trying to stream that is better choices than the ATV but your comparison doesnt make sense

radiogoober
May 29, 2012, 02:24 PM
There's no need to jump to Apple's defense. As I said, I'm the biggest fanboi and I've owned every single generation of AppleTV (even the 40 gig) there has been. The lack of built in apps is just pure crap. TNT, TBS, ABC, NBC, HBO, Cinemax, Amazon, Hulu(+), etc, why aren't any of these on it? No basic games, etc. Obviously I know what was "promised" on the AppleTV, but the device is getting left in the dust. I use my AppleTV as a home media streaming device, it works great, but there is so much that it honestly should be capable of (ie, when jailbroken it can do these things fine), but simply isn't.

It's just a shame. It's like an olympic athlete getting hooked on drugs instead of living up to their potential.

heisenberg123
May 29, 2012, 02:30 PM
There's no need to jump to Apple's defense. As I said, I'm the biggest fanboi and I've owned every single generation of AppleTV (even the 40 gig) there has been. The lack of built in apps is just pure crap. TNT, TBS, ABC, NBC, HBO, Cinemax, Amazon, Hulu(+), etc, why aren't any of these on it? No basic games, etc. Obviously I know what was "promised" on the AppleTV, but the device is getting left in the dust. I use my AppleTV as a home media streaming device, it works great, but there is so much that it honestly should be capable of (ie, when jailbroken it can do these things fine), but simply isn't.

It's just a shame. It's like an olympic athlete getting hooked on drugs instead of living up to their potential.

its possible those companies do not want to offer their suscriptions through apple

radiogoober
May 29, 2012, 02:47 PM
its possible those companies do not want to offer their suscriptions through apple

They have apps for iPhone and iPad.

espiritujo
May 29, 2012, 02:49 PM
I'd buy myself a new xbox if netflix was 1080p supported... too bad netflix only makes it 720p on a 1080p system. fail

heisenberg123
May 29, 2012, 03:07 PM
They have apps for iPhone and iPad.

well than you make a fair arguement,

cfedu
May 29, 2012, 08:08 PM
Dear Apple,

I'm a big fanboi. But, Xbox 360 is kicking the crap out of your Apple TV, and you know what? It's primarily a game system, and it is still more capable than your dedicated "hobby box." Please get on the ball. Didn't Steve have some way to revolutionize the industry? How about you at least catch up with it? Amazon video, apps, games, etc. Come on...



Xbox and the ps3 are the worst systems for streaming media. They are so loud. If its not completeply silent it's a piece of junk. I tried to use both and they both sucked, too loud, power hungry and hot.

Apple tv is far from perfect, but it is quiet.

radiogoober
May 29, 2012, 08:34 PM
Xbox and the ps3 are the worst systems for streaming media. They are so loud. If its not completeply silent it's a piece of junk. I tried to use both and they both sucked, too loud, power hungry and hot.

Apple tv is far from perfect, but it is quiet.

No argument here. My main point is that the AppleTV has a ton of potential, but needs a ton of work.

Dr McKay
May 29, 2012, 08:36 PM
Xbox and the ps3 are the worst systems for streaming media. They are so loud. If its not completeply silent it's a piece of junk. I tried to use both and they both sucked, too loud, power hungry and hot.

Apple tv is far from perfect, but it is quiet.

I can't even hear my Xbox unless I'm sat with my ear within a meter of the device itself. And thats when the TV isnt playing anything, if I put even a quiet show, it drowns out the tiny amount of noise the Xbox makes. I also find the Xbox a brilliant device to stream, I've got Netflix, 4OD, BBC iPlayer, and it streams all of my video files on my Laptop that are on the same network, it can access all of my music and photos too. With the release of Windows 8 if it detects an Xbox on the network the media players will have a "Play to" button to send anything like Photos/Music/Videos to the Xbox in a single click.

cfedu
May 30, 2012, 08:04 AM
I can't even hear my Xbox unless I'm sat with my ear within a meter of the device itself. And thats when the TV isnt playing anything, if I put even a quiet show, it drowns out the tiny amount of noise the Xbox makes. I also find the Xbox a brilliant device to stream, I've got Netflix, 4OD, BBC iPlayer, and it streams all of my video files on my Laptop that are on the same network, it can access all of my music and photos too. With the release of Windows 8 if it detects an Xbox on the network the media players will have a "Play to" button to send anything like Photos/Music/Videos to the Xbox in a single click.

I have tried the new Xbox slim and for me personally it was to loud! I can even hear the power pack making noise. Since I have kids and tend to watch movies while they sleep I have to keep the volume low. At a low volume setting which I use most of the time the Xbox is unacceptable.

The Xbox 360 is superior in every other respect, but the one that is most important to me are noise, power, and heat.

EvilC5
May 30, 2012, 08:09 AM
I have an xbox, wii, and ps3, and none of them compare to the ATV as far as the overall package for the cost. xbox has amazon streaming which is the only thing I wish I could get on ATV.

if anyone wants a xbox 360, I used mine about 3 times and find it a waste of money and would sell it at a good price....

Dr McKay
May 30, 2012, 09:55 AM
I have tried the new Xbox slim and for me personally it was to loud! I can even hear the power pack making noise. Since I have kids and tend to watch movies while they sleep I have to keep the volume low. At a low volume setting which I use most of the time the Xbox is unacceptable.

The Xbox 360 is superior in every other respect, but the one that is most important to me are noise, power, and heat.

I wouldnt argue that one device is "Superior" over the other. They are each better than the other at different things. While they do many of the same things, they aren't meant for direct competition, it's like comparing a Phone to a Computer.

praetorian909
May 30, 2012, 10:02 AM
I'd buy myself a new xbox if netflix was 1080p supported... too bad netflix only makes it 720p on a 1080p system. fail

If I'm not mistaken, the Xbox itself only goes up to 720p, so 1080p is impossible just like it is on the previous generation Apple TV. So yea, fail.

Xbox and the ps3 are the worst systems for streaming media. They are so loud. If its not completeply silent it's a piece of junk. I tried to use both and they both sucked, too loud, power hungry and hot.

Apple tv is far from perfect, but it is quiet.

Definitely true, Xbox (non-slim) would be loud, especially during quiet scenes of a movie. Apple TV is silent, passive cooling so no fans.

adildacoolset
May 30, 2012, 11:27 AM
I'd buy myself a new xbox if netflix was 1080p supported... too bad netflix only makes it 720p on a 1080p system. fail

get a playstation 3. It's much better than the crappy xbox. and you can play your blu-ray dvds as well as 1080p movies as well as 3d as well as AAA games with some amazing exclusives.

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If I'm not mistaken, the Xbox itself only goes up to 720p, so 1080p is impossible just like it is on the previous generation Apple TV. So yea, fail.


Playstation 3, because of 1080p, blu-ray, 3d, and gaming!!!!!

laurim
May 30, 2012, 04:16 PM
I specifically bought the ATV to replace watching movies on my XBox because I saw no need to repeatedly pay for the XBox Gold account when it would be cheaper to pay for the ATV once. Sure, if you are an online gamer it might be worth it but after getting stuck playing with kids who don't know how to play as a team, I stopping playing online.

danny_w
May 30, 2012, 04:22 PM
I specifically bought the ATV to replace watching movies on my XBox because I saw no need to repeatedly pay for the XBox Gold account when it would be cheaper to pay for the ATV once. Sure, if you are an online gamer it might be worth it but after getting stuck playing with kids who don't know how to play as a team, I stopping playing online.
Agreed. The extras that everybody is talking about are only available with membership and I have absolutely no desire for multiplayer or Gold membership. OTOH it would be nice if Apple would add some of these extras to the :apple:TV.

Mak47
May 31, 2012, 10:23 PM
But where would I put it?

341453

brentsg
May 31, 2012, 10:51 PM
Definitely true, Xbox (non-slim) would be loud, especially during quiet scenes of a movie. Apple TV is silent, passive cooling so no fans.

Doesn't have to be a slim, they got more quiet as the went along. My Jaspers are definitely whisper quiet and non-slim.

radiogoober
Jun 4, 2012, 12:30 PM
Another score for the xbox 360:

http://gizmodo.com/5915523/the-xbox-360-just-got-streaming-music-nike%252B-fitness-nba-espn-and-more

I'm all-in with Apple, but they reaaaaalllly need to get on the ball with their home media equipment.

ericrwalker
Jun 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
But where would I put it?

341453


Yeah I have no place for an xbox either. I love my Apple TV, the cable box will be leaving next, and probably the blu-ray player that I use about once or twice a year...Then I will get smaller speakers for the wall.

I am also just not interested in a video gaming console.

thejadedmonkey
Jun 4, 2012, 01:14 PM
Another score for the xbox 360:

http://gizmodo.com/5915523/the-xbox-360-just-got-streaming-music-nike%252B-fitness-nba-espn-and-more

I'm all-in with Apple, but they reaaaaalllly need to get on the ball with their home media equipment.

Agreed. Once Xbox Glass ships, it'll be "better" than an Apple TV by every metric, except cost. But we're Apple users, cost doesn't matter :p

Seriously, this is a good time to be a Microsoft fanboi, and not so much of a good time for Apple fanbois. What is this world coming to!?

stuffradio
Jun 4, 2012, 01:19 PM
Xbox and the ps3 are the worst systems for streaming media. They are so loud. If its not completeply silent it's a piece of junk. I tried to use both and they both sucked, too loud, power hungry and hot.

Apple tv is far from perfect, but it is quiet.

I have no problems streaming from my computer to my TV with XBox 360 over the network.

cfedu
Jun 5, 2012, 06:53 PM
I have no problems streaming from my computer to my TV with XBox 360 over the network.

I had no problem connecting my apple tv to a power outlet!

What does streaming have to do with Xbox 360 not being silent?

llamaswill
Jun 5, 2012, 08:37 PM
Dear Apple,

I'm a big fanboi. But, Xbox 360 is kicking the crap out of your Apple TV, and you know what? It's primarily a game system, and it is still more capable than your dedicated "hobby box." Please get on the ball. Didn't Steve have some way to revolutionize the industry? How about you at least catch up with it? Amazon video, apps, games, etc. Come on...

In my opinion, Roku is a more fair comparison. XBox is not aimed at the same type of usage situation. >200 vs. 99 dollars is not a fair comparison. If you don't factor in price, then yes, XBox kicks ATV's a**. On the other hand, Watson (supercomputer w/ ≥15TB RAM) kicks the Macbook Air's a** if you don't count price.

Final conclusion: patience. Apple has WWDC coming up, just wait until then!

ElfinHilon
Jun 5, 2012, 08:40 PM
Just wait for WWDC and Apple is going to blow SmartGlass clean out of the water. Just you wait.

bungiefan89
Jun 5, 2012, 09:51 PM
Once Xbox Glass ships, it'll be "better" than an Apple TV by every metric, except cost.Please... :rolleyes:
Xbox Glass is just Microsoft's answer to the Wii U having a touch-screen built in. And nobody knows anything about Xbox Glass. They gave a very brief demo of it at E3 yesterday (which could have been a purely pre-rendered video for all we know) and made it seem like they've got such a great idea... which is that ANY touch screen device can connect to and control the Xbox 360.

Here's my prediction on that idea: not EVERY touch screen device will be able to connect to the Xbox 360. A handfull will probably work flawlessly, but certain models will probably have connectivity issues and problems with lag. It's not like the Wii U where the console and the controller were designed to work together.

...and it's certainly not like the Apple TV because that's comparing two very different devices. You could say it's like comparing... :cool: Apples and Oranges!

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

hipnetic
Jun 7, 2012, 07:39 PM
It wasn't until the last 2-3 years that I even really owned any Apple devices. Now I've got a MacBook Air as my primary work/personal computer, several iPhones, a couple of iPads, several AppleTV's (gen 2 and one gen 3 1080p). I've also got an AirPort Extreme (the original AirPort was actually my first Apple device). I've also got a Windows 7 desktop/tower running Windows Media Center in the bedroom hooked up to a SiliconDust HDHomeRun Prime, along with a few XBox 360's which serve as Media Center Extenders. And previously I messed around with the original XBox hacked to run XBMC.

I've been doing the rip-my-movies-and-play-them-on-the-network thing for longer than most, and I've played around with various streamers (including the WDTV), and IMHO they all have certain things they do well and they all fall short at doing everything I want them to. The XBox 360 and Apple TV 1080p both still fall into that category. Here are some pros/cons for my usage:

XBox 360:
- Work great as DVR extenders with my Windows Media Center 7 desktop / HDHomeRun Prime recording everything. With the XBox 360, even wirelessly, I can surf the guide, play live TV, play back my TV recordings.
- The new 360 Slims are pretty quiet, but compared to the ATV they're still pretty loud, hot, big, and power-hungry. And you have to turn them on/off. They boot up pretty quick, but they're still a good deal slower than getting an ATV out of sleep mode. Both the unit itself and the huge power supply have fans in them.
- Mentioned above but this one deserves its own dot-point: It's big and the power supply is big. With an ATV you could velcro it to the back of your TV if you wanted to, making it completely invisible. The XBox will require some shelf space and the power supply will be hard to keep out of sight.
- The DVD drive comes in handy for my daughter, but in this day and age, I figure it should either have a Blu-ray drive or no drive at all (and trade that for smaller size, less power needs, and lower price).
- All the super-great extras that are being offered these days for streaming (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Comcast) need to be run on the XBox side and require Gold membership, so there's a recurring monthly fee for that. For now, I've decided that I prefer to have mine boot directly to the Media Center mode, which costs me nothing extra to use, and stream Netflix with my ATV.
- Games. I hardly ever play them, but I'd like to find the time to do that on occasion. It's definitely a nice extra, and I prefer having a gaming controller to play games vs the Apple approach of using an iPad/iPhone as the controller.
- Can't stream Blu-ray ripped MKV files, so you'll have to convert your movies using something like Handbrake. So now real advantage over the ATV there.

ATV:
- This thing is tiny. And makes no noise. And you don't have to power it off ever since it's so low-power (plus it will go into an even lower-power sleep mode on its own).
- The XBox 360 has been around so long whereas the ATV 1080p is using relatively new tech. Does anyone know how these things compare graphics-power wise? I have to think that if Apple decided to really push this as a gaming platform that it wouldn't be lacking compared to the 360 in many ways.
- If you jailbreak it and install XBMC you can play some Blu-ray MKV rips (as long as their MPEG4) but the 1080p model hasn't been jailbroken yet, so I've been using an Acer Revo nettop to play my Blu-ray rips. Eventually I may convert all my movies to MP4 files using Handbrake.
- Since I've become an Apple device household, I use the ATV with AirPlay to play background music (usually bebop Jazz) I'm streaming from my iPhone with the Pandora app at dinnertime. It's also become my preferred Netflix streamer (XBox is a non-option currently since I've held off from paying the XBox Gold tax). And on rare occasions when my family wants to watch a movie I don't already have, I sometimes give in and rent from iTunes. A bit of a rip-off at $5 (or whatever it is). I guess the 360 would offer the same thing, but don't I still need to pay for Gold to even do that?

A lot of people are drooling about SmartGlass, which I personally see as MS playing catch-up to AirPlay. I think SmartGlass sounds great and I personally welcome healthy competition, since it will cause Apple to keep their game up. But SmartGlass is a future product. Does everyone really think that Apple won't make some great new announcements/releases between now and when SmartGlass actually gets released?

Here's what I'd love to see Apple do, though I think they'll do neither:
1) Release an updated AirPort Extreme / TimeCapsule running iOS with DVR server software which integrates with the HDHomeRun Prime and has companion iPad/iPhone apps for scheduling the recordings, records the shows directly as MP4 files onto a hard drive connected to the AirPort Extreme and allows you to watch those shows on your iPhone/iPad/ATV.
2) Release a dedicated gaming controller for the Apple TV and announces a push for gaming, and an SDK for developers to release games for it. Because of the limited storage space on the ATV, the way it would work is that the games purchased would be stored in iCloud and they could be downloaded to your iPhone/iPad when needed, and then streamed to the ATV, with the iPhone/iPad still serving as a controller, but with that dedicated gaming controller also being supported for games that would benefit from it.

Here's what I think might be more realistic:
1) Apple announces new partners for the ATV (e.g., NFL Sunday Ticket).
2) Apple makes some tweaks/improvements on movie/TV show rental/purchase pricing (much of this is probably outside of Apple's control, but they have lots of leverage).
3) Apple makes a bigger push for getting developers to make apps that run on the iPhone/iPad but which push stuff onto the ATV. Maybe there are some hardware tweaks they snuck into the ATV 1080p, yet to be exposed to 3rd party developers, that allow them to reduce latency.

ezekielrage_99
Jun 7, 2012, 08:27 PM
Different horses for different courses.

Despite the complaint ATV does have it's place within the ecosystem of video playback :)

spacepower7
Jun 7, 2012, 10:09 PM
I don't know a single person that owns an Xbox360, but maybe a friend of a friend has one. As far as PS3's go I know 2 people who bought them with the intention of using them for blu-Ray but have never bought or rented a Blu-Ray disc.

steve-p
Jun 8, 2012, 03:22 AM
I have both ATV3 and Xbox 360 and choose ATV over Xbox for everything where they overlap functionally (movie rentals, Netflix etc). 360 may be a more capable all rounder, but it's certainly not better at what ATV is designed to do. Xbox also requires an extra subscription to MS for no obvious reason, plus it's large and noisy which is fine for games but not for watching movies. ATV is a fraction of the price, tiny and efficient, and designed to do a smaller number of things very well. All it really lacks is more apps for additional media content.

sim667
Jun 11, 2012, 08:24 AM
As far as the OP is concerned I actually agree a bit. As long as smart glass works with ios, the apple tv will pretty much become redundant.

Netflix is a much better streaming service than itunes - itunes is overpriced, doesnt have a subscription model for unlimited streaming, and has millitant restrictions on rental times

Appletv barely supports any codecs (xbox isnt much better in all fairness), but to make my apple tv's usable I've had to jailbreak. Xbox supports more standardised codecs now.

Xbox has installable apps, including bbc iplayer, 4od etc......

appletv has issues syncing with time servers after restarts (you restart a lot when you are jailbroken).

Unless appletv brings out an app store, without jailbreaking, appletv's are worthless now unless you're the type who loves a quiet fap whilst undertaking pointless adoration of the apple walled garden.

hipnetic
Jun 11, 2012, 09:41 AM
Netflix is a much better streaming service than itunes - itunes is overpriced, doesnt have a subscription model for unlimited streaming, and has millitant restrictions on rental timesApples and oranges (no pun intended). I have a Netflix subscription (streaming and disc rental) and we use Netflix streaming for some old TV shows and other odd movies/documentaries, but if we want to rent a new movie (that I couldn't get at Redbox) or a recently-run TV show (that my DVR missed) iTunes is useful for that.

Appletv barely supports any codecs (xbox isnt much better in all fairness), but to make my apple tv's usable I've had to jailbreak. Xbox supports more standardised codecs now.The XBox can't play my MKV rips of Blu-ray movies, so the fact that it can play a bunch of other codecs that I don't have means little to me. In either case, I'd need to convert these MKVs using something like Handbrake to make them compatible with either the ATV or XBox.

Xbox has installable apps, including bbc iplayer, 4od etc......And you have to pay the XBox Gold tax to use that functionality. If you, like me, have multiple TVs in your house, you have to get a different Gold membership for each one or get the family Gold membership, which brings you over $10/month.

appletv has issues syncing with time servers after restarts (you restart a lot when you are jailbroken).That's a jailbreak issue, not an ATV issue.

Bottom line is that if you're someone who is already somewhat entrenched in the Apple ecosystem (which one would think most people participating in this forum are) and have a Mac and/or iPhone and/or iPad, the ATV is a useful accessory. Because I do like to rip my own movies, I don't currently get a lot of use out of using the ATV to stream my movies, but I expect that when time allows I'll eventually start transcoding my MKV files to M4V format using Handbrake. Until then I use an Acer Revo running XBMC for my in-house movie streaming.

The ATV brings other things to the table for us iOS users, though. During dinner I start up a Pandora stream on my iPhone and AirPlay it to the ATV in my living room hooked up to my stereo so that we can have some background music. The ATV also works fine as a photo viewer. And since I'm not willing (yet, anyway) to pay the XBox Gold tax, it's my only option for Netflix, and it works well for that anyway since I can use the iOS remote app / keyboard to expedite searches.

SmartGlass is pretty much like AirPlay, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not available yet, and if it requires Gold then it may remain a feature I'm unable/unwilling to take advantage of.

Obioban
Jun 11, 2012, 05:42 PM
I'm on my 3rd xbox due to red ring of death failures. That plus 3 extra controllers that I bought with the first plus wireless adaptor takes my total investment in xbox HARDWARE (no games/content) to $1100.

Aka $1001 more than my $99 ATV.

... not to mention the $50 per year that I pay for xbox live that I barely play with.

... and I always watch movies on the ATV because the controller is a crappy interface to interact with media menus. Not to mention that the XBOX runs LOUD-- highly annoying when watching a movie. And it uses power like nobody's business.

In fact, my $99 ATV gets used pretty much every night, while my $1100 xbox investment gets fired up about once every month or two to play a round of halo.

I know which is giving me better returns on investment!

Neither plays MKVs natively, which is the only format other than H.264 that I want to watch... but at least the ATV can be jailbroken to do so.

robjulo
Jun 11, 2012, 07:27 PM
Just wait for WWDC and Apple is going to blow SmartGlass clean out of the water. Just you wait.

And how did that work out?

At this point, Roku is a much better value.

sim667
Jun 12, 2012, 03:56 AM
Apples and oranges (no pun intended). I have a Netflix subscription (streaming and disc rental) and we use Netflix streaming for some old TV shows and other odd movies/documentaries, but if we want to rent a new movie (that I couldn't get at Redbox) or a recently-run TV show (that my DVR missed) iTunes is useful for that.
However its actually cheaper to go to blockbuster in the UK (we get charged more for rentals on itunes in the UK)


The XBox can't play my MKV rips of Blu-ray movies, so the fact that it can play a bunch of other codecs that I don't have means little to me. In either case, I'd need to convert these MKVs using something like Handbrake to make them compatible with either the ATV or XBox.

Neither can appletv....... I use MKV on my apple tv by having it jailbroken with plex on it. The problem is that apple tv predominently likes .avi files, something I never ever use, all of my stuff is .mp4 which is just fine on xbox. Xbox also supports h264 which apple tv doesnt, h264 is very common.

Annoyingly even my 40 blu ray player can play MKV's, i cant believe neither xbox or appletv can


And you have to pay the XBox Gold tax to use that functionality. If you, like me, have multiple TVs in your house, you have to get a different Gold membership for each one or get the family Gold membership, which brings you over $10/month.

Thats not an issue in my house, however xbox live gold membership for a year is the equivalent of renting 8 films of itunes...... Say I watch 2-3 films a week, in a year I'm looking at around 400 plus just to get those films of itunes...... Xbox live and lovefilm is a much more cost efficient way of doing it. Im a battlefield 3 obsessive too, so i have gold anyway, but in all fairness 28 is no real skin off my nose for the gold membership


That's a jailbreak issue, not an ATV issue.

Not its a known appletv issue


Bottom line is that if you're someone who is already somewhat entrenched in the Apple ecosystem (which one would think most people participating in this forum are) and have a Mac and/or iPhone and/or iPad, the ATV is a useful accessory. Because I do like to rip my own movies, I don't currently get a lot of use out of using the ATV to stream my movies, but I expect that when time allows I'll eventually start transcoding my MKV files to M4V format using Handbrake. Until then I use an Acer Revo running XBMC for my in-house movie streaming.

Its not like im not entrenched in the apple ecosystem, i have 2 iphones, 1 imac, 1 mac pro, one powerbook and an ipad in the house. What gets my goat about the apple tv though is the atrocious lack of support for any other streaming than through itunes. They wont even allow DLNA to run on it, and I hate using videos in itunes (i dont really like itunes that much to be fair). Airplay is a benefit and is the only real reason I bought an apple tv, but I've been forced to jailbreak simply to get standard things that should be on an apple tv to work, like mkv's etc.


SmartGlass is pretty much like AirPlay, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not available yet, and if it requires Gold then it may remain a feature I'm unable/unwilling to take advantage of.
I dont think they'll make it an xbox gold thing only, I cant see how they'd be able to do it and justify it.

slothrob
Jun 12, 2012, 07:45 PM
The problem is that apple tv predominently likes .avi files, something I never ever use, all of my stuff is .mp4 which is just fine on xbox. Xbox also supports h264 which apple tv doesnt, h264 is very common.
Did you ever try the aTV without jailbreaking it?

Here are the supported video format specs for the aTV:
• H.264 video up to 1080p, 30 frames per second, High or Main Profile level 4.0 or lower, Baseline profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
• MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
• Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format

sim667
Jun 14, 2012, 09:45 AM
Did you ever try the aTV without jailbreaking it?

Here are the supported video format specs for the aTV:
H.264 video up to 1080p, 30 frames per second, High or Main Profile level 4.0 or lower, Baseline profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format

I swear they didnt when I bout it, and yes I did use it unjailbroken for a while.

Then I discovered HD MKV's

Lara F
Jun 15, 2012, 10:36 PM
... and I always watch movies on the ATV because the controller is a crappy interface to interact with media menus. Not to mention that the XBOX runs LOUD-- highly annoying when watching a movie. And it uses power like nobody's business.

I have an Xbox slim on currently streaming MLB.TV, and just tried to hear the box while on one of their silent commercial breaks. Nope. I do agree you can tell when you're right by the box, but on the couch it really shouldn't be an issue with the newer models.