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yg17
Jun 2, 2012, 02:21 PM
What the hell did he think would happen?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/serpent-handling-west-virginia-pastor-dies-snake-bite/story?id=16459455

A "serpent-handling" West Virginia pastor died after his rattlesnake bit him during a church ritual, just as the man had apparently watched a snake kill his father years before.

Pentecostal pastor Mark Wolford, 44, hosted an outdoor service at the Panther Wildlife Management Area in West Virginia Sunday, which he touted on his Facebook page prior to the event.

"I am looking for a great time this Sunday," Wolford wrote May 22, according to the Washington Post. "It is going to be a homecoming like the old days. Good 'ole raised in the holler or mountain ridge running, Holy Ghost-filled speaking-in-tongues sign believers."

Robin Vanover, Wolford's sister, told the Washington Post that 30 minutes into the outdoor service, Wolford passed around a poisonous timber rattlesnake, which eventually bit him.

"He laid it on the ground," Vanover said in the interview, "and he sat down next to the snake, and it bit him on the thigh."

Vanover said Wolford was then transported to a family member's home in Bluefield about 80 miles away to recover. But as the situation worsened, he was taken to a hospital where he later died.

Jim Shires, owner of the Cravens-Shires Funeral Home in Bluefield, told ABC News that Wolford died Monday. Wolford's church, the Apostolic House of the Lord Jesus in Matoaka, will host a viewing Friday and a funeral service Saturday morning. Wolford will be buried at the Hicks Family Plot in Phelps, Ky.

Officials at the Panther Wildlife Management Area had been unaware of Sunday's event until they were notified by callers after the service.

"We did not know that this event was happening, and if we had known about it or if we had been asked for permission, permission would not have been granted," Hoy Murphy, public information officer for the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, told ABC News.

Hoy said West Virginia state park rules prohibit animals other than dogs and cats on the property.

While snake-handling is legal in West Virginia, other Appalachian states, including Kentucky and Tennessee, have banned the practice in public spaces.

Snake-handlers point to scripture as evidence that God calls them to engage in such a practice to show their faith in him. Mark 16: 17-18 reads, "And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

Wolford told the Washington Post magazine in 2011 that he is carrying on the tradition of his ancestors by engaging in snake handling.

"Anybody can do it that believes it," Wolford said. "Jesus said, 'These signs shall follow them which believe.' This is a sign to show people that God has the power."

Wolford said watched his own father die at the age of 39 after a rattlesnake bit him during a similar service.

"He lived 101/2 hours," Wolford told the Washington Post Magazine. "When he got bit, he said he wanted to die in the church. Three hours after he was bitten, his kidneys shut down. After a while, your heart stops. I hated to see him go, but he died for what he believed in.

"I know it's real; it is the power of God," Wolford told the Washington Post Magazine last year. "If I didn't do it, if I'd never gotten back involved, it'd be the same as denying the power and saying it was not real."

This is what Darwin meant when he said "survival of the fittest". Funny how the religious whackjobs do so much to prove Darwin right. Should've played with a trouser snake instead. They don't bite.

roadbloc
Jun 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
God works in mysterious ways.

citizenzen
Jun 2, 2012, 02:46 PM
He made himself an easy target for ridicule.

However, human beings do many stupid things.

Is it any worse than jumping out of a plane, climbing a cliff, or any number of things people do to tempt fate and feel a thrill?

Peace
Jun 2, 2012, 02:55 PM
The bible doesn't tell people to pick up snakes and drink the venom.
that scripture is talking about the original deciples and if they were bitten by a snake it wouldn't affect them. The original 11 guys. Not your every day person.

But as a previous post says God works in mysterious ways. Ha !

rdowns
Jun 2, 2012, 02:55 PM
God's will.

localoid
Jun 2, 2012, 03:41 PM
What the hell did he think would happen?

Most of the time, no one dies at these sorts of "worship" services, so he probably thought nothing would happen, other than getting a major rush off being "filled with the Holy Spirit". The guy who died allegedly had handled deadly snakes 100s of times over the years.

It the practice crazy? Of course it is. But "crazy" is the norm in many parts of Appalachia, the section of the U.S. that some have called "America's Third World" (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video?id=6876056).

Throughout Appalachia, the handling of deadly snakes in church services, such as rattlesnakes and copperheads, takes place on an ongoing basis. A given snake handling church often holds several services per week and each service can be several hours in length. I've talked with a few people that have driven over an hour, one way, to attend services at a snake handling church for a period of several decades. The practice has apparently be on going in Appalachia since at least the early-1900s.

But only a few states in Appalachia have outlawed the practice. In West Virginia (where the incident you mentioned took place) it's legal. The topic of outlawing the practice has come up several times in W.Va., but elected officials are usually very opposed to any sort of law that would "restrict religious freedoms".

musty345
Jun 2, 2012, 03:43 PM
God works in mysterious ways.

Love it

Huntn
Jun 2, 2012, 03:45 PM
This should go to the Darwin Awards (http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/). :)

jackc
Jun 2, 2012, 03:57 PM
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them

They should all drink poison to glorify the Lord

vega07
Jun 2, 2012, 08:25 PM
God's will.

LOL, as a Catholic, only if this were true...God's will to rid this world of idiots. :D

Huntn
Jun 2, 2012, 08:28 PM
They should all drink poison to glorify the Lord

Jonestown 1978- the perfect template, except for one little problem. ;)

niuniu
Jun 3, 2012, 06:52 AM
Smart :D

skunk
Jun 3, 2012, 07:09 AM
God's will.God's swill.

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Is it any worse than jumping out of a plane, climbing a cliff, or any number of things people do to tempt fate and feel a thrill?Yes, because that same blind faith in the inerrancy of "God's Word" is used to justify all kinds of vile and inhumane behaviour.

jknight8907
Jun 3, 2012, 08:52 AM
Most of the time, no one dies at these sorts of "worship" services, so he probably thought nothing would happen, other than getting a major rush off being "filled with the Holy Spirit". The guy who died allegedly had handled deadly snakes 100s of times over the years.

It the practice crazy? Of course it is. But "crazy" is the norm in many parts of Appalachia, the section of the U.S. that some have called "America's Third World" (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video?id=6876056).

Throughout Appalachia, the handling of deadly snakes in church services, such as rattlesnakes and copperheads, takes place on an ongoing basis. A given snake handling church often holds several services per week and each service can be several hours in length. I've talked with a few people that have driven over an hour, one way, to attend services at a snake handling church for a period of several decades. The practice has apparently be on going in Appalachia since at least the early-1900s.

But only a few states in Appalachia have outlawed the practice. In West Virginia (where the incident you mentioned took place) it's legal. The topic of outlawing the practice has come up several times in W.Va., but elected officials are usually very opposed to any sort of law that would "restrict religious freedoms".

So? If the guy is stupid enough to do it, maybe he deserves to suffer the consequences. The idea that legislation is required to cover every possible danger is ridiculous, and is how we have a country of people with no personal responsibility.

Mac'nCheese
Jun 3, 2012, 09:41 AM
He made himself an easy target for ridicule.

However, human beings do many stupid things.

Is it any worse than jumping out of a plane, climbing a cliff, or any number of things people do to tempt fate and feel a thrill?

Yes it is. Thrill seekers doing the stuff you listed are participating in extreme sports for the thrill of it, the excitement, the bond between those who do it, exercise, love of being out doors, etc. They also know, that these activities, when using the correct equipment is safe to do. Dancing with a snake because you think some fairy tale is testing your love for him....doing an activity that can only result in injury or death.... Big difference in my book.

thekev
Jun 3, 2012, 10:25 AM
Throughout Appalachia, the handling of deadly snakes in church services, such as rattlesnakes and copperheads, takes place on an ongoing basis. A given snake handling church often holds several services per week and each service can be several hours in length. I've talked with a few people that have driven over an hour, one way, to attend services at a snake handling church for a period of several decades. The practice has apparently be on going in Appalachia since at least the early-1900s.


Copperheads are boring.

I suggest they import and handle funnel (http://smashingtops.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2.sydney-funnel-web.jpg) web spiders instead :D.

iJohnHenry
Jun 3, 2012, 10:36 AM
God's swill.

Save a letter, and an apostrophe (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1379366), and just shift the "s".

God swill, or as I prefer, god-swill. :)

Yes, because that same blind faith in the inerrancy of "God's Word" is used to justify all kinds of vile and inhumane behaviour.

Perhaps he welcomed the bite as his release from this particular Hell on Earth?

It's certainly one way of taking care of the aging population, slow-up enough and your history.

I imagine the same thing might happen to an aging mongoose.

:p

citizenzen
Jun 3, 2012, 10:47 AM
Yes it is. Thrill seekers doing the stuff you listed are participating in extreme sports for the thrill of it, the excitement, the bond between those who do it, exercise, love of being out doors, etc. They also know, that these activities, when using the correct equipment is safe to do. Dancing with a snake because you think some fairy tale is testing your love for him....doing an activity that can only result in injury or death.... Big difference in my book.

I would argue with that point.

If it were safe, then it wouldn't be extreme.

It entails risk. Just like handling snakes.

NickZac
Jun 3, 2012, 03:45 PM
Sometimes I wonder if a god does exist, if this is God's will, that hateful fanatics wind up a victim of their own stupidity. Now, if only a the people from the West Baptist Church would give this a go...



I would argue with that point.

If it were safe, then it wouldn't be extreme.

It entails risk. Just like handling snakes.

I agree with you partially in that handling venomous snakes are safe in the hands of a skilled handler, but you are still handling an animal that has the ability to kill you if you make a handling mistake. If you were handling a penguin, then then worst that may happen is it poops on you or recites some bizarre Superbowl Pepsi commercial in which penguins say insulting things to people prior to pecking them in in groin and stealing their soda...which I do not believe is fatal in most cases.

mscriv
Jun 3, 2012, 06:31 PM
Anyone but me find this quote to be funny?

Wolford will be buried at the Hicks Family Plot in Phelps, Ky.

:D ;)

Like someone said, thrill seeking behavior that is dangerous or deadly is nothing new.

chrono1081
Jun 3, 2012, 10:33 PM
Another example of people not reading and fully understanding their Bibles :rolleyes:

This is why I don't go to church anymore and instead just read my Bible (different versions), and say my prayers. I don't get caught up in other peoples mistranslations and misunderstandings.

That being said I feel bad for his family and friends.

MorphingDragon
Jun 3, 2012, 10:45 PM
"Look Ma! No Hands!"

CorvusCamenarum
Jun 3, 2012, 11:14 PM
The number of people in this thread taking apparent delight at the death of someone is disgusting.

MorphingDragon
Jun 3, 2012, 11:31 PM
The number of people in this thread taking apparent delight at the death of someone is disgusting.

It is... delightful.

Grey Beard
Jun 3, 2012, 11:50 PM
Heh heh heh heh

KGB:D

chris200x9
Jun 4, 2012, 09:44 AM
"You wanna be on the fast track to meet me? Handle poisonous snakes." - God

iJohnHenry
Jun 4, 2012, 09:51 AM
"You wanna be on the fast track to meet me? Handle poisonous snakes." - God

I'm due for an immediate Airing of Grievances, when and if I get there. ;)

But I can wait. :D