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xrayzed
Jul 14, 2005, 07:57 PM
I'm a switcher-in-waiting currently in the market for a portable, and I want one that can handle video editing as well.

I had my eyes on a 15" PB before the announcement that Apple would be moving to Intel CPUs from next year. I figure we'll see a huge jump in performance for PBs next year, so I'd prefer not to spend to much on a PB at the moment, and upgrade in 2006.

Price-wise a 12" PB looks like a reasonable stop-gap, presuming it can actually handle FCP, although I am concerned about the video card.

Are there any 12" users who can advise?



joecool85
Jul 14, 2005, 08:14 PM
Well, I'm a 12 incher and mine is a rev a. So...thats 867mhz, 256 cache (as opposed to the higher 512 now) and 640 ram. FCP runs fine on this one, not the fastest, but it does the trick. However, I don't use FCP that much, I only have it because I needed it for one of my courses at UMaine and they let me have a version I could only use while on campus (using key access.) Point being, if you are going to be doing a TON of FCP, get something with more balls, but if not, you should be set. Besides, 64mb of vid ram isn't *that* bad.

Espnetboy3
Jul 14, 2005, 11:59 PM
xray have u ever used fcp or done any seriuos editing?

LethalWolfe
Jul 15, 2005, 12:56 AM
It depends on how often you are going to be editing and on what kind of projects. Power wouldn't concern me as much as screen size. Doing any kind of in depth editing on that tiny ass screen would just suck. I have two 17" CRT's and I wish I had more screen space. You'd probably also wanna use and external keyboard and mouse. Again, only assuming you are going to be using it on a fairly regular basis.

Editing on a 12" Pb is certainly doable. But so is running a marathon in ill-fiting shoes. ;)


Lethal

dswoodley
Jul 15, 2005, 01:09 AM
yes, as well as any Mac will run it short of a G5, but what kills you is the lack of screen space. I wouldn't want my 12in PB as my main FCP machine, but it'll do in a pinch.

xrayzed
Jul 15, 2005, 02:03 AM
I might use the PB 12" screen for rough edits but I plan to use my 17" LCD for the serious editing.

In answer in Espnetboy3: Serious editing? No.

I've done a bit in Premiere on Win XP (I'm not crazy about the interface, which is one of the reasons I want to switch), but I'm not an experienced editor.

Aldaris
Jul 15, 2005, 02:24 AM
Sounds like an adaquate system to be running that stuff, back in the day I used a 700Mh G3 iBook and an external hard drive, to edit my high school video yearbook, I was running FCP3, and it ran fine. (For the exception of 128Mb memory, rendering took a while, but patience is a virtue, or so I'm told.)

salils
Jul 18, 2005, 12:00 AM
I would wait on buying a powerbook. I think they are going to be replaced soon.

xrayzed
Jul 18, 2005, 02:34 AM
Thanks to all for the responses.

I hope Salils is right and PBs are updated soon. I'm of two minds on the issue: on the one hand based on previous trends they are probably about due. On the other with the move to Intel it is possible they might be prepared to run the current lines out until they upgrade to the new CPUs.

I am inclined to think they'll need to do something - 12 months or so is a long time to intend to keep the current specs viable, even if it's just a bit of tweaking (speedbumps, larger HDs, better 12" screen or whatever).

If I didn't need to start editing in the next couple of months I'd simply defer the switch.

Rod Rod
Jul 18, 2005, 04:14 PM
Don't let the Intel switch cause you to wait. When FCP with universal binaries comes out, it's unknown whether FCP will run better or worse on Intel compared to PPC. It's a safe bet that it will take Apple a year or two before FCP on Intel is better than FCP on PPC. The Rosetta business doesn't quite apply to FCP because of all the Altivec optimization. However, any Intel Mac should run FCP 3 (by way of Rosetta) perfectly fine, except for the realtime stuff that requires Altivec.

A 12" PowerBook will run FCP nicely. You can use the Digital Cinema Desktop feature to overcome the 1024x768 resolution.

looklost
Jul 18, 2005, 04:29 PM
I use FCP on my powerbook G4 400 mhz on a regular basis.

enclave
Jul 19, 2005, 06:40 PM
I cut together a feature length film on my 12" 1ghz powerbook with a tiny 768 meg of ram and it worked perfectly. Don't let the "enthusiasts" fool you. Video work does NOT require hefty sys requirements. It takes a little longer to render and it cant do many effects on the fly but it works perfectly fine. In the end your just chopping up video files, it isn't system intensive until you start hammering out layer upon layer of video

LethalWolfe
Jul 19, 2005, 09:50 PM
I cut together a feature length film on my 12" 1ghz powerbook with a tiny 768 meg of ram and it worked perfectly. Don't let the "enthusiasts" fool you. Video work does NOT require hefty sys requirements. It takes a little longer to render and it cant do many effects on the fly but it works perfectly fine. In the end your just chopping up video files, it isn't system intensive until you start hammering out layer upon layer of video

Nobody's said it won't work. But different people have different idea's of what is "good enough" and we were just presenting the possible short comings of using a 12" PB.

Heck, a movie in Sundance was cut in iMovie, but I'm not about to go tell people to ditch FCE or FCP because of it. ;)

And about video requirements, DV doesn't require hefty hardware anymore (HDV requires a bit more than DV), but many video formats do.


Lethal

enclave
Jul 22, 2005, 01:58 AM
Nobody's said it won't work. But different people have different idea's of what is "good enough" and we were just presenting the possible short comings of using a 12" PB.

Heck, a movie in Sundance was cut in iMovie, but I'm not about to go tell people to ditch FCE or FCP because of it. ;)

And about video requirements, DV doesn't require hefty hardware anymore (HDV requires a bit more than DV), but many video formats do.


Lethal

I think people tend to forget that editors were cutting things on g3's not so long ago.

A g4 processor is more than sufficent for DV work, unless there cutting some form of HD. "whats good enough" I would say the ability to do anything required for dv editing is "good enough". A g5 is superfluous when you only cut dv footage.

LethalWolfe
Jul 22, 2005, 03:25 AM
I think people tend to forget that editors were cutting things on g3's not so long ago.

And before that were Avids on PM 9600's. And before that were Video Toasters/DVEs. And before that was good old, no frills deck-to-deck editing.

What is your point?

A g4 processor is more than sufficent for DV work, unless there cutting some form of HD. "whats good enough" I would say the ability to do anything required for dv editing is "good enough". A g5 is superfluous when you only cut dv footage.

Just because it's good enough for you doesn't mean it's good enough for everyone else. A G5 is overkill if you do cuts only DV editing and/or don't edit very often. If you are getting paid by the hour to do proc intensive work (lots of layers, fx, mattes, keys, etc.,) then a G5 is more than worth it, and a 12" PB would not be far from good enough. Again, just because it fits YOUR needs doesn't mean it fits EVERYONE's needs.

Of course, what makes this conversation even more fun is the fact that nobody (especially not me) said the 12" was a bad choice, but you came in guns blazing anyway. Per my first post, my biggest concern w/using a 12" PB for light editing isn't power it's ergonomics. A 12" PB can get cramped pretty fast which is why I mentioned using an external monitor and KB/M.



Lethal

enclave
Jul 24, 2005, 07:04 PM
"And before that were Avids on PM 9600's. And before that were Video Toasters/DVEs. And before that was good old, no frills deck-to-deck editing.

What is your point" _ Lethal

Heh, my point is that despite your frivolous comments, he isn't a power user he just wanted to know if it would work, and for his needs, yes it IS a good option. A G5 is unnecessary

Well I don't use the powerbook as is. I have my external monitor and keyboard. Irregardless he only asked

"I'm a switcher-in-waiting currently in the market for a portable, and I want one that can handle video editing as well. " - OP

so yeh, it is a good choice, perhaps the perfect choice. Your comment regarding the powerbook

"Editing on a 12" Pb is certainly doable. But so is running a marathon in ill-fitting shoes" was misleading and just plain wrong.

So yeh I went to bat for the powerbook, because people like you suggest people buy things they don't require. He's not a power user, so why are you suggesting he is? Oh what fun! I'm not trying to bug you, I was just pointing out what I think the OP should know, that's all.

puckhead193
Jul 24, 2005, 07:08 PM
I might use the PB 12" screen for rough edits but I plan to use my 17" LCD for the serious editing.

In answer in Espnetboy3: Serious editing? No.

I've done a bit in Premiere on Win XP (I'm not crazy about the interface, which is one of the reasons I want to switch), but I'm not an experienced editor.

You should look into final cut express

LethalWolfe
Jul 24, 2005, 09:21 PM
"And before that were Avids on PM 9600's. And before that were Video Toasters/DVEs. And before that was good old, no frills deck-to-deck editing.

What is your point" _ Lethal

Heh, my point is that despite your frivolous comments, he isn't a power user he just wanted to know if it would work, and for his needs, yes it IS a good option. A G5 is unnecessary

Round and round we go. Where did I suggest the thread starter needed to get a G5? And how, by the OP, do you magically gather what his needs are? Please reread my first reply.

Well I don't use the powerbook as is. I have my external monitor and keyboard. Irregardless he only asked
Fantasic. That fixes the only possible snag I mentioned w/using the 12" pb for editing.


"I'm a switcher-in-waiting currently in the market for a portable, and I want one that can handle video editing as well. " - OP

so yeh, it is a good choice, perhaps the perfect choice. Your comment regarding the powerbook

The OP has no info regarding where the PB was destined for heavy editing or not. Reread my reply (especially the first two lines).

"Editing on a 12" Pb is certainly doable. But so is running a marathon in ill-fitting shoes" was misleading and just plain wrong.

Lighten up it was a joke. the ";)" usually gives that way...

So yeh I went to bat for the powerbook, because people like you suggest people buy things they don't require. He's not a power user, so why are you suggesting he is?

I never suggested anything of the sort. Again, go reread my first post.

Just because I wasn't praising the 12" PB as god's gift to mobile editing doesn't mean I was damning it.

The ONLY thing I said in regards to the OP that could be construed as negative is IF you are editing on a regular basis w/a 12" PB you MIGHT want to consider using an external monitor and kb/m for the sake of ergonomics. Not exactly scathing criticism... geez.



Lethal

xrayzed
Jul 25, 2005, 02:52 AM
Gentlemen, please. (Or perhaps "gentlewomen". Can't be sure) All feedback has been helpful from my perspective, pros and cons for all options. :)

Getting real-user feedback on people's experiences and perspectives has been very helpful. It's one thing to read tech-specs and guess what it means in practice, quite another - and much better - to read users' experiences.

puckhead193: I've considered FC Express, but am strongly leaning towards FCP for a few reasons: 24fps capable, timecode displays, better colour correction tools, and it's bundled with Soundtrack Pro & Motion.

The film I'm working on was shot digitally in 24fps, and needs some serious colour correction and audio work on a few key shots.

enclave
Jul 25, 2005, 05:40 AM
"Lighten up it was a joke. the " ;) " usually gives that way..."

Oh right, NOW it's a joke.. I see.

It's easy to back away from a disagreement when you change what you said. If this was the case why didnt you just mention it in your first response to me instead of getting upset?

Suffice to say your comments were suggestive, irregardless of your choice of "emoticon"

I hope all goes well with your purchase OP

LethalWolfe
Jul 25, 2005, 04:31 PM
"Lighten up it was a joke. the " ;) " usually gives that way..."

Oh right, NOW it's a joke.. I see.

It's easy to back away from a disagreement when you change what you said. If this was the case why didnt you just mention it in your first response to me instead of getting upset?

Suffice to say your comments were suggestive, irregardless of your choice of "emoticon"

I hope all goes well with your purchase OP

Oh dear lord...:rolleyes:

The "ill-fitting shoes" comment was always meant to be cheeky, and it was the only part meant to be cheeky.


Lethal

rockthecasbah
Jul 25, 2005, 10:38 PM
Well, I'm a 12 incher and mine is a rev a. So...thats 867mhz, 256 cache (as opposed to the higher 512 now) and 640 ram. FCP runs fine on this one, not the fastest, but it does the trick. However, I don't use FCP that much, I only have it because I needed it for one of my courses at UMaine and they let me have a version I could only use while on campus (using key access.) Point being, if you are going to be doing a TON of FCP, get something with more balls, but if not, you should be set. Besides, 64mb of vid ram isn't *that* bad.
We do our video editing on the same exact PB, works like a charm. Just plan to get the biggest hd, lots of ram, and possibly an external hard drive to keep your stuff on because video takes up lots of space... :)

xrayzed
Jul 26, 2005, 01:36 AM
We do our video editing on the same exact PB, works like a charm. Just plan to get the biggest hd, lots of ram, and possibly an external hard drive to keep your stuff on because video takes up lots of space... :)Indeed. I'm looking at a La Cie 250GB external HD.

I'm still weighing up whether to cram in as much RAM as I can, or given this is basically an interim machine, to make do with 1 GB of RAM. Apple RAM is so *pricey*.

Rod Rod
Jul 26, 2005, 02:04 AM
Apple RAM is so *pricey*.Don't buy it from Apple. Buy it from Crucial (MacRumors site sponsor) or find it through www.ramseeker.com (RAM price comparison site).

LethalWolfe
Jul 26, 2005, 02:08 AM
Indeed. I'm looking at a La Cie 250GB external HD.

I'm still weighing up whether to cram in as much RAM as I can, or given this is basically an interim machine, to make do with 1 GB of RAM. Apple RAM is so *pricey*.

Holy smokes dude, never buy RAM from Apple. N-E-V-E-R.

crucial.com (http://www.crucial.com) is a good place to buy RAM that plays nice w/Macs. Macs tend to have tighter tolerences than PCs so cheap-o RAM typically turns a Mac into a doorstop until you remove it.

I think 1 gig or RAM will be okay. I've only got 1gig on my dual gig G4 Quicksilver and I regularly have After Effects, Photoshop, and FCP HD running at the same time w/o unacceptable slow downs.


Lethal

JoshRtek
Jul 30, 2005, 02:57 AM
Hey all,

I just bought a 12" PowerBook and I'm planning on doing some editing (just DV) on it as well. I was wondering if any of you who edit on your 12" PB have issues with capturing video with an external firewire drive, since you'd have to plug your camera into the back of the external hard drive... Any comments?

Rod Rod
Jul 30, 2005, 03:52 AM
I was wondering if any of you who edit on your 12" PB have issues with capturing video with an external firewire drive, since you'd have to plug your camera into the back of the external hard drive.I had no trouble at all capturing DV this way, going back to my 12" 700MHz G3 iBook two and a half years ago. Any modern PowerBook and decent FW hard drive will do fine. The FW hard drives I've used that way were generic do-it-yourself types with Oxford 911 bridge chipsets.

LethalWolfe
Jul 30, 2005, 06:28 AM
Hey all,

I just bought a 12" PowerBook and I'm planning on doing some editing (just DV) on it as well. I was wondering if any of you who edit on your 12" PB have issues with capturing video with an external firewire drive, since you'd have to plug your camera into the back of the external hard drive... Any comments?

You shouldn't have any problems, although there are rare instances where 2 devices just don't like to be daisy chained. But those are fewer and far between as the tech has matured.


Lethal

xrayzed
Jul 30, 2005, 08:31 AM
New purchasing plan:

I've been checking out the upgraded 14-inch iBooks. I can save about $A700 compared to a 12-inch PB with SuperDrive.

CPU specs are pretty close to the same, but with half the video RAM (although a newer technology card helps to offset this).

On the plus side: a larger screen, more keyboard real-estate, better battery power. Then I invest the $700 wisely and wait for the Intel Mac PB next year, and I have a nice little iBook for schlepping around on a day to day basis after that. :cool:

Now am I missing anything that makes the iBook a bad idea for video?

LethalWolfe
Jul 30, 2005, 05:35 PM
New purchasing plan:

I've been checking out the upgraded 14-inch iBooks. I can save about $A700 compared to a 12-inch PB with SuperDrive.

CPU specs are pretty close to the same, but with half the video RAM (although a newer technology card helps to offset this).

On the plus side: a larger screen, more keyboard real-estate, better battery power. Then I invest the $700 wisely and wait for the Intel Mac PB next year, and I have a nice little iBook for schlepping around on a day to day basis after that. :cool:

Now am I missing anything that makes the iBook a bad idea for video?

The only thing I would mention is that w/o the hack the iBook can only mirror to an external monitor. But if you install the "span hack" then that takes care of that problem.

If you are looking for a just a stop gap to hold you over until the MacIntel's arrive this looks like a better deal than the 12" PB.


Lethal

dollystereo
Jul 30, 2005, 06:11 PM
A 12" PB with full ram (1.25GB) and his 1.5Ghz G4 will do more than well, is a very fast computer, and now they have the 5.4K rpm HD so it will run very smoothly. FCP doesnt need video card son dont worry.
I use a Rev C PB 17" that almost the same than PB 12" in Hardware, but you will certainly need the extra room. And external Display is absolutely necessary.
But the computer is fast enought even for big proyects. You may want a External HD.

xrayzed
Jul 30, 2005, 07:01 PM
If you are looking for a just a stop gap to hold you over until the MacIntel's arrive this looks like a better deal than the 12" PB.
Bingo.

And don't buy the RAM from Apple. EVER. Right?

The external HD is on The List, and my trusty 17-inch LCD will be used for editing.

My work here is complete. Thank you all for your help.

jelloshotsrule
Aug 1, 2005, 05:02 PM
puckhead193: I've considered FC Express, but am strongly leaning towards FCP for a few reasons: 24fps capable, timecode displays, better colour correction tools, and it's bundled with Soundtrack Pro & Motion.


sorry to rehash this, and it may have been just a typo... but fc pro doesn't come with motion or soundtrack pro. for that you have to buy the fc studio... which is 1299 vs 999 for fc pro alone.

just wanted to make sure that was clear.

aussie_geek
Aug 1, 2005, 07:57 PM
I have mixed opinions about this. A PowerBook will do it but you will be spending a lot of time waiting for rendering. During this time, your PowerBook will become a toaster oven and be pretty much non-useable. FCP will be taking all of your processor and anything you want to do at the same time will hinder its processing progress.



aussie_geek

Rod Rod
Aug 1, 2005, 10:42 PM
I have mixed opinions about this. A PowerBook will do it but you will be spending a lot of time waiting for rendering. During this time, your PowerBook will become a toaster oven and be pretty much non-useable. FCP will be taking all of your processor and anything you want to do at the same time will hinder its processing progress.Then don't sit around while it's rendering. Let stuff render when you're away from your desk. If you must preview stuff that needs rendering, hit option-P. Changing something, rendering it, changing it again, rendering again, etc etc is a waste of time. Make the change, preview it with option-P if you must, and move on to the next edit.

xrayzed
Aug 2, 2005, 01:42 AM
sorry to rehash this, and it may have been just a typo... but fc pro doesn't come with motion or soundtrack pro. for that you have to buy the fc studio... which is 1299 vs 999 for fc pro alone.

just wanted to make sure that was clear.Understood - I simply meant to compare FCE to the FCP part of the FCS package.

[/acronym hell]

Mechcozmo
Aug 2, 2005, 02:08 AM
My 12" runs Final Cut Express great with 768MB of RAM.

Platform
Aug 2, 2005, 05:23 AM
sorry to rehash this, and it may have been just a typo... but fc pro doesn't come with motion or soundtrack pro. for that you have to buy the fc studio... which is 1299 vs 999 for fc pro alone.

just wanted to make sure that was clear.

And you get DVD Studio Pro as well
;)

xrayzed
Aug 5, 2005, 02:43 AM
I've taken the plunge and placed an order for the new 14-inch iBook, with +1GB of RAM, a LaCie Porsche 250GB external hard drive, and the Final Cut Studio suite.

The new model hasn't actually made it to Australia yet, but is due early-mid next week, so I should have it by next weekend.

The only downside is that I won't have a lot of time to play with it much as we're going to Canberra to meet some friends that weekend. Fortunately one of the people we are catching up with is a Mac-head IT specialist, so I can tell my wife I'm only bringing my gear along for technical advice.

Who knows - she might even believe me.

Thanks one more time for the advice.

LethalWolfe
Aug 5, 2005, 07:28 AM
Fortunately one of the people we are catching up with is a Mac-head IT specialist, so I can tell my wife I'm only bringing my gear along for technical advice..

Good luck w/that. :D


Lethal

crachoar
Aug 10, 2005, 05:35 AM
Sadly, Apple handicaps the iBook line (slower bus, slower ram, two year old video cards) so that the Powerbooks will still sell. That, and they are missing a few really nice I/O features and abilities.

The iBook will work out I imagine. There are just a couple of things I dislike about them. I just couldn't justify saving $250-300 when I was already spending over a grand - so I shot for the Powerbooks.

The good news is that it's pretty durable - unless you drop it with the LCD open, or, if the point of impact is the LCD panel. The iBooks are a little more forgiving when it comes to wear and tear. However, my advice is that you purchase a specialty carrying case, made especially for notebook computers and the accessories you'd need for it.

I suggest ebags.com for a backpack.

And it goes without saying - max out your ram.

Remember - import all of your raw DV footage to your external drive. Otherwise, FCP saves it in your Documents folder. There are settings you must configure before you start importing and exporting movies.

The worst part about Apple notebooks is the slow Hard Drives. You will notice a significant decrease in render times with your external. Also, when you get the money - buy a second, and maybe even a third external to use as backup. Or, if you have another computer - dump all of your work files onto it. Have some sort of backup routine. You will hate yourself for losing work. Save yourself the trouble and spend some extra cash to ensure the safe-keeping of your work.

Oh - and last but not least: Never drink or eat anything around your computer that doesn't have a cap. If you can't knock it over without it spilling - don't set it down anywhere near it. I know from experience that sometimes - you just need that caffiene fix to keep you going during an all-night edit session. I've had four friends ruin their powerbooks by knocking over juice, water, coffee, etc.

I guess it's really just common sense.

Don't be an idiot, and your computer will survive.

Rod Rod
Aug 10, 2005, 02:21 PM
You will notice a significant increase in render times with your external.Or you might notice a significant decrease (compared to working from the internal).

crachoar
Aug 11, 2005, 08:50 AM
That's what I meant - it was a sleepy typo. Forgive me.

BenJolene
Aug 14, 2005, 03:00 PM
I've taken the plunge and placed an order for the new 14-inch iBook, with +1GB of RAM, a LaCie Porsche 250GB external hard drive, and the Final Cut Studio suite.

Sorry I'm late to this, but you'll probably want to replace that LaCie drive sometime in the next year. You're very smart to be getting an external drive to house your media, but LaCie's are some of the worst drives out there. I've never worked with one that lasted longer than 18 months without failing/needing serious repair.

On a separate note, does Australia broadcast on PAL or NTSC? Either way, one of the best investments you can make is to purchase an external monitor. Then you will be able to edit while watching accurate video and accurate video/audio sync. I occasionally use my 12" PowerBook to edit using an external monitor; it's really the only thing that makes editing on such a small screen possible.

best of luck.

xrayzed
Aug 15, 2005, 02:17 AM
I bought my 14-inch iBook last week. Learning to think in a Mac-way has been interesting for a Windows user. Much less futzing about. I keep feeling like I'm overlooking something. :D

So far it's fuuuuuuun.

I'm finding FPC much easier to work with than Adobe Premier. The manuals are excellent, and the interface just makes more sense to me.

I had a temporary problem the first time I ran FCP. The program detected the Mini-DV footage via Firewire (daisy-chained through the external HD), played it fine, but wouldn't capture it.

After quitting and re-loading it worked just fine. No dropped frames or other problems. Odd.

A Mac user I know said he had the same problem with iMovie the first time he ran it. A friend of his thinks it may be something unique to PAL systems (BenJolene: yes, Australia broadcasts on PAL) and FCP. Have any other PAL users had any similar issues?

I haven't heard anything bad about LaCie's until now. The idea of all my files dying in a horrible HD disaster is - disconcerting. :eek:

As for the broadcast monitor, I'm planning on doing the basic assembly on my LCD, and then borrowing a monitor for final colour correction.

TheMonarch
Aug 15, 2005, 02:59 PM
Then don't sit around while it's rendering. Let stuff render when you're away from your desk. If you must preview stuff that needs rendering, hit option-P. Changing something, rendering it, changing it again, rendering again, etc etc is a waste of time. Make the change, preview it with option-P if you must, and move on to the next edit.



OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!


OPTION-P!!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!

I CAN PREVIEW W/OUT HAVING TO WAIT!!! WOOOOO!!!

This was the main thing bugging me when I switched from Premiere Pro.

Thank you so much... I can't believe it took me 3 years to figure that out...

xrayzed
Aug 16, 2005, 11:26 PM
Progress report (if anybody cares):

FCP is a great program, and it works fine on the iBook. Obviously the iBook screen is limited for detailed work, but playback in the viewer is perfectly acceptable, and for organising clips, setting in and out points, etc, it works fine.

I think the manual is excellent - all four volumes of it.

Only two minor hitches so far.

One is a complete lock-up the other night. I'd be splitting an hour long file into a series of sub-clips, and I think the constant shuttling backwards and forwards overloaded the memory, the hard drive, or both. Complete freeze, requiring a hard re-boot.

(Apologies to the die-hards, but yes, Macs crash too. ;)

Thank god for autosaving. I'd only lost about 10 minutes of work.

The second hitch is a bit odd. I deleted a sequence and my canvas and timeline windows disappeared. Using command-2 and command-3 to bring them back didn't work, and they were greyed out in the "Window" menu item. I can't find anything in the manual about this, and the only way I can get them back is by opening a new project.

Is this unique?

Apart from these two issues all is going swimmingly. great piece of software, and the machine is perfectly satisfactory. Only wish I'd switched sooner.

crachoar
Aug 18, 2005, 03:44 PM
Sadly, FCP has been known to lock up the computer, more often than is appreciated...

I set my 'autosave' to every minutes. Learned that lesson the hard way.

Also, I've had a LaCie drive die on me (in the middle of a film). However, this had to do with sub-par power-outlets frying the circuitry - the fault of the school I was editing at. Thankfully, LaCie fixed the drive for free - and was able to recover all of my data.

I promptly went out and purchased my first Powerbook so that I wouldn't have to rely on somebody else's setup.

BenJolene
Aug 19, 2005, 02:35 PM
The second hitch is a bit odd. I deleted a sequence and my canvas and timeline windows disappeared. Using command-2 and command-3 to bring them back didn't work, and they were greyed out in the "Window" menu item. I can't find anything in the manual about this, and the only way I can get them back is by opening a new project.

Is this unique?

Canvas and Timeline are only open so long as you have a sequence open. If you delete your only (or only open) sequence, they will close. Open another sequence or create a new one to get those windows back.

LethalWolfe
Aug 19, 2005, 04:19 PM
I think the manual is excellent - all four volumes of it.


Oh, yeah. I love the FCP manuals. It's also nice that the box they come has a good, sturdy handle on top of it. Just incase you need to beat off an intruder or something. :)


Lethal

willustrator
Oct 9, 2005, 08:23 PM
i'm running an pb 17" and i want to put on FCP will it run as smoothly as FC express?

willustrator
Oct 9, 2005, 08:26 PM
i'm running an pb 17" and i want to put on FCP will it run as smoothly as FC express?
oh, it's a 1Ghz 17" (got it in april 2003) running 1GB RAM

iDarenotsay
Oct 9, 2005, 09:48 PM
oh, it's a 1Ghz 17" (got it in april 2003) running 1GB RAM

It'll run just fine. I used to run FCP 1.0 on a 400 Mhz G3 iMac. You'll be fine.

Rod Rod
Oct 10, 2005, 10:35 AM
OPTION-P!!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!

I CAN PREVIEW W/OUT HAVING TO WAIT!!! WOOOOO!!!

This was the main thing bugging me when I switched from Premiere Pro.

Thank you so much... I can't believe it took me 3 years to figure that out...
You're welcome. :) It's saved me a lot of time and trouble also. I do most of my editing on my 12" PowerBook and then take my external over to my DP Power Mac G5 for rendering, encoding and DVD authoring. It's nice to work on a comfy sofa.