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MacRumors
Jun 6, 2012, 09:24 AM
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Following yesterday's leak of Mac Pro part numbers (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/05/mac-pro-to-finally-see-updates-next-week/), AppleInsider now posts a full list of 27 new part numbers (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/06/part_numbers_suggest_apple_may_refresh_most_of_mac_lineup_at_wwdc.html) said to be on their way to resellers in Australia. A total of 13 of the part numbers are listed as "standalone kits", indicating that they are accessories, which leaves as many as 14 Mac models included in the launch.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/wwdc_2012_part_numbers.jpg
Based on hints included in the leaked image and some additional information, guesses can be made at the identities of some of the remaining products.

The first product on the list, part number MC414, is described as "K31 Best" and appears to have a price under AU$1000. The K31 part number initially appeared a year ago (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/15/references-to-next-generation-airport-extreme-and-time-capsule-found/) to describe what is now the current generation of Apple's Time Capsule base station. Consequently, this new listing may represent a capacity upgrade to the existing line.

The next group of part numbers includes a pair of "D2" machines with prices above AU$2000 and AU$3000 respectively, and these parts could represent new 15-inch MacBook Pro models. The current stock 15-inch models come in at AU$2099 and AU$2499, and the higher price on at least the new high-end model could be a result of a shift to solid-state storage. The identification of these part numbers as MacBook Pros is mere speculation, however, based only on the best fitting price points of current machines.

Two pairs of model numbers at J30 and J31 could represent updated iMacs, with the three lowest models being priced in the AU$1000-AU$1999 range and the top end model coming in above AU$2000. This fits with the existing iMac pricing, which is AU$1399/AU$1698 for the 21.5-inch size and AU$1949/AU$2299 for the 27-inch size.

The next two pairs of model numbers, J11 and J13, may also be linked and could represent new MacBook Air models. Only the first digit of the low-end J11 price can be seen, and it indicates that pricing begins above AU$1000, in line with the current AU$1099 entry-level price on the 11-inch model.

Following a list of 12 accessory part numbers comes the three Mac Pro models detailed yesterday, and the list concludes with a "PD454" part number that interestingly represents a personalized or engraved version of the B67(A) accessory that appears earlier in the list.

Notably, our speculation on the identities of the various part number does not include a 13-inch MacBook Pro, for which a claimed spec label (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/05/leaked-13-3-macbook-pro-specs-suggest-addition-of-usb-3-0-and-only-minor-changes/) leaked yesterday. It is possible that one of the model numbers such as J11 could represent two stock configurations of a 13-inch MacBook Pro, but that would leave Apple's set of four MacBook Air models incompletely accounted for in the part numbers.

We caution our readers that these guesses at identifying the various part numbers are indeed speculation based on best fits with Apple's current pricing structure and number of models offered in each of its Mac lines. We do not have specific knowledge of the identities of these models beyond what is shown in the leaked image.

Update: 9to5Mac posts (http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/06/new-macs-spec-sheet-leaks-out-into-the-internet-pricing-and-names-included/) a full matrix of parts and prices along with their speculation on models matching up with those parts. Their guesses are identical to ours with the exception of the K31 part, which with a price of AU$119 would represent a new AirPort Express rather than a Time Capsule upgrade.

The addition of prices for the accessories also indicates that the B67 product is a new iPod shuffle available in five colors and with personalization. Other likely accessories include an external SuperDrive and a USB 3.0 Ethernet adapter.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/wwdc_2012_price_list_macs.jpg

Article Link: Alleged New Part Numbers Suggest Over a Dozen New Mac Models Coming at WWDC [Updated] (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/06/alleged-new-part-numbers-suggest-over-a-dozen-new-mac-models-coming-at-wwdc/)



klamse25
Jun 6, 2012, 09:25 AM
Hell yeah.

Sharky II
Jun 6, 2012, 09:26 AM
hey, it's like the good old days - when there were rumours about actual macintosh computers. cool

LimeiBook86
Jun 6, 2012, 09:26 AM
Ohhh yesss!! :D

http://www.stevenmatarazzo.com/images/yay.gif

BJMRamage
Jun 6, 2012, 09:26 AM
Wowzers!!!

notabadname
Jun 6, 2012, 09:26 AM
Less than a week! Come on Mac Pro and some rocking GPU options.

needfx
Jun 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
seems like the australasians are serious leakers!

ECUpirate44
Jun 6, 2012, 09:28 AM
Oh yeah, it's happening!

charlieegan3
Jun 6, 2012, 09:28 AM
looking good.

Lordskelic
Jun 6, 2012, 09:28 AM
Oh snap! This is exciting! Monday, why are you taking so long to come?

Snowshiro
Jun 6, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jeez - just an inch to the right, and we could have learned so much more.

Mike Oxard
Jun 6, 2012, 09:29 AM
The standalone kits sound even more interesting than the product upgrades!

applesith
Jun 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Excited for Mac updates! Come faster Monday!!

tigres
Jun 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
New 13" maxed out Air Please.
8gb ram
7-10 hour battery life
able to leap tall buildings.


thx :apple:

griz
Jun 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Sounds more like World Wide Hardware Conference. How will they announce so many products and talk about software too? I hope they release the hardware in the weeks to follow.

I8P'CS
Jun 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Doesn't look like there will be redesigned iMacs, Will pick up a NEW Mac pro though, its needed badly.

Dr McKay
Jun 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
No these are just the order codes for the local Chinese restaurant for the team.

charlieegan3
Jun 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
what are standalone kits?

UnseenLlama
Jun 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
Would love an upgraded Time Capsule that supports some form of apps. Imagine being able to have your iCloud synced locally to that. Or an iPhoto app that keeps all your pictures organized...wishful thinking though.

spacedesign911
Jun 6, 2012, 09:33 AM
Hmmm interesting....

kalsta
Jun 6, 2012, 09:34 AM
Here he comes kids…!

http://images.cyberimg.com/iphone/2011/12/26/santa_cook.jpg

snberk103
Jun 6, 2012, 09:35 AM
Or... there is an Apple employee with a real sick sense of humour, and they're leaking false manifests and then lurking here to watch the churning and the frothing.... :)

2bikes
Jun 6, 2012, 09:36 AM
That is quiet a price hike from 2500 to 3000 for MBP, if true.

djrod
Jun 6, 2012, 09:36 AM
Apple doesn't care about macs blablabla

spacedesign911
Jun 6, 2012, 09:36 AM
Here he comes kids…!

Image (http://images.cyberimg.com/iphone/2011/12/26/santa_cook.jpg)

Ho Ho Ho!

dbit
Jun 6, 2012, 09:36 AM
Sounds more like World Wide Hardware Conference. How will they announce so many products and talk about software too? I hope they release the hardware in the weeks to follow.

The keynote is 1.5 hours. They don't have to take more than 20-25 minutes to refresh the whole mac line if they don't want to. The last few keynotes were padded with multiple (pretty boring) 5 minute software demo's/walkthrough's that were unnecessary. Keep in mind, the conference lasts 5 days!! We're just talking about the keynote, which is exciting, but only 1.5 hours out of 5 whole days!

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 09:37 AM
God it must be good to know so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

No disrespect or bad intentions. It's just that you've got to applaud Apple's strategy this past decade. It made quite a few people just "wanting" to buy.

Terrific, terrific strategy, marketing, effort, result.

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 09:37 AM
what are standalone kits?

smart ass alert ahead: read the article?

theFungi
Jun 6, 2012, 09:38 AM
Looks like they wouldn't melt the MBA and MBP to one device, like some folks speculated here.... Lucky you! :)

Can't wait for monday!
It's like the feeling I had before X-Mas, when I was a young boy. You had some suggestions what your parents might lay under the tree - but you're not sure until you rip off the gift wrap.

Bill.the.Cat
Jun 6, 2012, 09:39 AM
God it must be good to know so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

Yes, people are just *dying* to buy their products!

comatory
Jun 6, 2012, 09:39 AM
Wow that looks like a HUGE upgrade. If its true.

I dont own Apple devices that long so has Apple ever released that many products at the same time in its history? Educate me, Apple experts :)

vader_slri
Jun 6, 2012, 09:40 AM
God it must be good to know so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

Lol, I think you mean "coffers", not coffins...

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 09:41 AM
What?! No Powerbook G5?! Apple obviously doesn't care about the Pro market.

ChrisTX
Jun 6, 2012, 09:41 AM
I'm not in the market for a new Mac, but why do I suddenly feel the need to be. :D

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 09:41 AM
Lol, I think you mean "coffers", not coffins...

yeap, honest mistake :P no pun intended :P

lifeguard90
Jun 6, 2012, 09:41 AM
FINALLY! MAC NEWS, MAC NEWS GALORE

Been waiting a long time as many of you for new iMacs, let alone Mac Pro. Come on Monday! Please be able to purchase at latest 1 week later.

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
Yes, people are just *dying* to buy their products!

honest mistake but you got that right :P

Concorde Rules
Jun 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
I'm extremely exited to see what GPUs are on offer.

The 6870 in my Mac Pro doesn't cut the mustard at 2560x1440 so I want the ability to flash a 7870 or better :D which requires either the iMac or Mac Pro to come with such GPUs.

charlieegan3
Jun 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
smart ass alert ahead: read the article?

missed that 1st paragraph...:o

olowott
Jun 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
its time for the :apple:magic and we go

WOW!!:eek::eek:


Damn its just Wednesday, i have never prayed for weekend to come n go quickly

lifeinhd
Jun 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
New Time Capsules is great news. I was planning to pick one up along with my 2012 17" MBP anyways, so maybe I'll see a bump to 802.11ac or 3TB for $299. A little bonus is always nice.

EDIT: Aargh, Airport Express only?? Nuts.

kalsta
Jun 6, 2012, 09:43 AM
… so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

Did you mean 'coffers' perhaps??

(Edit: Sorry, I see you've already been corrected!)

koyoot
Jun 6, 2012, 09:43 AM
MC965LL/A - thats the number of Macbook Air 13 inch.
MC975X/A - that should be number of... 15 inch Macbook Air ;).

Drag'nGT
Jun 6, 2012, 09:43 AM
Keeping the retina screen speculation going... Would the option to order a retina screen, much like the high res and matte finish option on the 15" MBP, constitute a whole new model number?

I hate to admit that I'm holding off for stupid USB 3. I sure hope there's more to it than that. I'm waiting for a new 27" iMac. I'd really like to see the i7 come as a standard configuration rather than 2 different i5 models. What about a low end and high end i5 and i7 27"? :D

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 09:44 AM
Hope we get a new keyboard that is Backlit and possibly dedicated buttons to the app store or iCloud.

Warbrain
Jun 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
Figures I buy an Airport Extreme just before all of this. I had no choice; my Cisco router was ****.

But I do think that not all of these will be released at once.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
I assume that the stand alone kits in the middle are different thunderbolt adaptors? :p

sulpfiction
Jun 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
What could the new engraved "accessory" be? Im drawing a blank!

alehen
Jun 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
all I want is a better resolution screen.. 1440x900 for 15"macbook is bad.. =[

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
Figures I buy an Airport Extreme just before all of this. I had no choice; my Cisco router was ****.

But I do think that not all of these will be released at once.

So return it....

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 09:47 AM
MC965LL/A - thats the number of Macbook Air 13 inch.
MC975X/A - that should be number of... 15 inch Macbook Air ;).

It seems to me that there are part numbers missing then based on the current line up, which has two model numbers for 13" and 15"


MD313B 13" MBP low
MD314B 13" MBP med
MD318B 15" MBP low
MD322B 15" MBP med
MD311B 17" MBP -

Warbrain
Jun 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
So return it....

Didn't buy it from Apple. There likely won't be any good reason for me to exchange it.

mikeo007
Jun 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
So possibly no new 13" MBP model?
Seems to fit with the possible spec leak from yesterday.

Slight spec bump and they just sort of phase it in over the old model?

bottleneck
Jun 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
and why is the "Best" Mac Pro 1000$ more expensive than the "Ultimate"?

PBP
Jun 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/full-mac-price-list-ai-sucks.png

Cynicalone
Jun 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
You look at that and only see two MacBook Pros. So could it be the 13" that has been killed. And where is the Mini?

Drag'nGT
Jun 6, 2012, 09:49 AM
Hope we get a new keyboard that is Backlit and possibly dedicated buttons to the app store or iCloud.

On what model? :confused:

RalfTheDog
Jun 6, 2012, 09:49 AM
I hope the 17 inch MBP is late, not dead.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 09:50 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 09:50 AM
wish i could upgrade from my mid 2009 mbp just yet ...

Cynicalone
Jun 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

One will probably be the server model.

UnfetteredMind
Jun 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Lol, I think you mean "coffers", not coffins...

That's right. The coffers are for all their profits, the coffins are for their competitors!

2bikes
Jun 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

I was going to ask the same thing.

And what are the standalone parts? Configuration items for Mac Pro?

RalfTheDog
Jun 6, 2012, 09:52 AM
Is it just me, or is the new administration looking like they are pro Mac? It is starting to look like a push for domination of the computer market.

omenatarhuri
Jun 6, 2012, 09:53 AM
I wonder if they can push the new Gigabit WLAN yet... But I guess it would be too soon since the necessary parts are only now becoming available.

--

Personally I'm considering to sell my Early 2011 MBP and going for the Mac Pro. I feel that the iPad 2 actually caters to my 'moving computing' needs very well.

HelveticaNeue
Jun 6, 2012, 09:54 AM
9to5 adds this:

Standalone kits are probably iPod shuffles as the PD code represents personalization (which is engraving)

K5BPLUS BETTER = Entry Mac Pro

K5BPLUS ULTIMATE = Server Mac Pro

and K5BPLUS BEST = Higher End Mac Pro

$12.00 accessory most likely ipod shuffle connector

$99 MD564ZM/A would be a super drive

The $35 adapter would be a USB 3.0 Gigabit Ethernet adapter

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 09:54 AM
One will probably be the server model.

That actually makes sense. The "Ultimate" might well be the server version.

eddieaus
Jun 6, 2012, 09:55 AM
mmmm.....$100 off on all macbook Air except the 11" base model. guess the retina display is not happening to Air.

Mad Mac Maniac
Jun 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
Doesn't look like those MBA price drops are happening

bawbac
Jun 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/full-mac-price-list-ai-sucks.png

Looks like prices are increased about 15% or more on most models.:(

RalfTheDog
Jun 6, 2012, 09:57 AM
9to5 adds this:

Standalone kits are probably iPod shuffles as the PD code represents personalization (which is engraving)

K5BPLUS BETTER = Entry Mac Pro

K5BPLUS ULTIMATE = Server Mac Pro

and K5BPLUS BEST = Higher End Mac Pro

$12.00 accessory most likely ipod shuffle connector

$99 MD564ZM/A would be a super drive

The $35 adapter would be a USB 3.0 Gigabit Ethernet adapter

Cool! Superdrive= Mac Pro keeps optical drive bays. I am hoping they don't have a new, stripped down Mac Pro case with much fewer drive bays. If they could cut down on the weight, that would be fantastic.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 09:58 AM
Looks like prices are increased about 15% or more on most models.:(

Are they?

4599 Australian dollars = 2 928.87 GBP. The 12 core is currently £4083 in its base configuration.

Umbongo
Jun 6, 2012, 09:58 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

Better will be the dual processor model. Ultimate will probably be the single processor model with updated graphics card/memory/storage for sale in stores as a boxed item.

oiuh151
Jun 6, 2012, 09:59 AM
13" MBP killed off, and maybe 17"? The 13" Pro was rather redundant with the 13" Air.

Eadfrith
Jun 6, 2012, 09:59 AM
awwww no Mac Mini update. :(

neilpryde23
Jun 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
9to5mac claims they've been sitting on this list for several weeks but didn't want to out the inventory people as a source of the leak so they didn't post it til now.

AU$2,499 and 3,149 are pretty freaking expensive prices for a MBP according to the list from 9to5. :(

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/full-mac-price-list-ai-sucks.png?w=657

Edit: Sorry for reposting this 9to5 list again. I didn't realize it was posted on the previous page

talmy
Jun 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
That actually makes sense. The "Ultimate" might well be the server version.

"Ultimate" means "last". This should re-boot the "Mac Pro is dead" rumors!

And all the other models are "better" or "best". Where are the "good" models? Or does "better" just mean it's better than a PC?

(All above - :) )

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:01 AM
Better will be the dual processor model. Ultimate will probably be the single processor model with updated graphics card/memory/storage for sale in stores as a boxed item.

That also makes sense. We can only wait and see. These better be Mac Pros, if only for the relief it will bring from the incessant "Apple does not care about the pros!!" posts.

steve-p
Jun 6, 2012, 10:01 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

Well all are meaningless marketing words anyway. Ultimate and Best for example are definitive terms, not comparative, and mean exactly the same thing.

Mark07
Jun 6, 2012, 10:02 AM
AU$2,499 and 3,149 are pretty freaking expensive prices for a MBP according to the list from 9to5. :(

Was just thinking the same thing.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
"Ultimate" means "last". This should re-boot the "Mac Pro is dead" rumors!


You just had to go there, didn't you? :D

----------

Well all are meaningless marketing words anyway. Ultimate and Best for example are definitive terms, not comparative, and mean exactly the same thing.

Of course, but speculating is more fun than work.

oiuh151
Jun 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
9to5mac claims they've been sitting on this list for several weeks but didn't want to out the inventory people as a source of the leak so they didn't post it til now.

AU$2,499 and 3,149 are pretty freaking expensive prices for a MBP according to the list from 9to5. :(

Image (http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/full-mac-price-list-ai-sucks.png?w=657)

Edit: Sorry for reposting this 9to5 list again. I didn't realize it was posted on the previous page
Was just thinking the same thing.


Australia always pays more.

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
Didn't buy it from Apple. There likely won't be any good reason for me to exchange it.

Store doesn't have a return policy? Mines going right back to Amazon.

drewisanapple
Jun 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
Was just thinking the same thing.

Keep in mind, this is AU dollars, not US. And The market is not a direct conversion.

MacReloaded
Jun 6, 2012, 10:04 AM
Shut up and take m... Whoa there.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
9to5mac claims they've been sitting on this list for several weeks but didn't want to out the inventory people as a source of the leak so they didn't post it til now.

AU$2,499 and 3,149 are pretty freaking expensive prices for a MBP according to the list from 9to5. :(


3149 Australian dollars = 2 005.44362 British pounds

The 2011 17" MBP currently starts at 2099 British pounds. Don't forget the rest of the world gets shafted on the prices in comparison to the US.

charlituna
Jun 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
Sounds more like World Wide Hardware Conference. How will they announce so many products and talk about software too? I hope they release the hardware in the weeks to follow.

They won't. This list, if true, just adds to the idea that they won't be keynoting hardware. It's 90 minutes. The bulk of that will have to be iOS 6 which they have to preview to set up every iOS panel for the rest of the week. otherwise what's the point of having those panels. Then there's any remaining Mountain Lion features to disclose, also vital to the whole conference. Those two are easily 60 of the 90 minutes if not more. 30 minutes to talk about that whole list in any kind of detail. Not even Steve could pull that off. Any mentions of hardware will be quick and cursory. They will talk in broad strokes focusing on details that will directly effect the software and require changes in existing apps etc. Oh speaking of apps, if they have anything new on that front to discuss like say a new version of iWork for that native iCloud document syncing everyone is screaming about being vital, that's even less time for hardware.

jonnysods
Jun 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
If those all come out at WWDC that will be unprecedented! Really looking forward to next week. Maybe they have all received redesigns?

Matrixfan
Jun 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
So this is when Tim Cook doubles down on product secrecy:D Alas, I couldn't justify a $3000 single socket computer as an upgrade path from the 2008 dual socket model Mac Pro. I may as well switch to a notebook, or see what the iMacs will be like. Anyway, good to hear about Mac updates!

tekno
Jun 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
Still going with the "One's too small and one's too big" iMac line-up, then.

robvas
Jun 6, 2012, 10:06 AM
That is quiet a price hike from 2500 to 3000 for MBP, if true.

AUS prices are crazy

CausticPuppy
Jun 6, 2012, 10:06 AM
Everything but the Mac Mini! But that's fine, since I just got mine a few weeks ago. Nice to know it would be obsolete just yet.


I can't wait to see what the new Airs have to offer.


Also, maybe a new TB display with USB 3.0 ports?

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:06 AM
3149 Australian dollars = 2 005.44362 British pounds

The 2011 17" MBP currently starts at 2099 British pounds. Don't forget the rest of the world gets shafted on the prices in comparison to the US.



Keep in mind, this is AU dollars, not US. And The market is not a direct conversion.

the mbp 15 starts currently at $2.099 in australia. a $400 increase is still quiet a lot

Rizzn
Jun 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
I'm really hoping for a quad core 13" MBP. I don't see the 13" MBP and MBA being redundant; I think the MBP should be what it's labeled as, "pro." I don't want to have to get a 15". I want a portable (<15") powerhouse, and at the moment, Apple does not offer one.

I think the MBP line should basically contain the same internals, just catered to those who want screen size options. The higher screen sizes could obviously hold more parts, but there's hardly anything "pro" about a 2012 notebook still using dual core processors IMO, let alone on board graphics.

Forensickle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:08 AM
don't just convert dollars
down here in Aus we pay 20-50% more than the UK and US for everything, AFTER converting.
i bought my ipad in the states while on holiday and it was like getting a $200 discount!
last song i bought on itunes from my australian account was US$2.50
if i had an american account it would have been 0.99US OR AUD $0.90


Are they?

4599 Australian dollars = 2 928.87 GBP. The 12 core is currently £4083 in its base configuration.

RobbyIdol
Jun 6, 2012, 10:08 AM
Those MBA prices look delicious -- I just hope that means the base 11" MBA model is now 128 SSD and the 256 SSD is going for approx $1,200.

And come ooooon better battery life!! :D

WannaGoMac
Jun 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
Darn no mac mini update

AppleInMyBlood
Jun 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
Other likely accessories include an external SuperDrive and a USB 3.0 Ethernet adapter.

Maybe I'm crazy, but could the new SuperDrive be Blu-ray capable? :eek:

charlituna
Jun 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
The last few keynotes were padded with multiple (pretty boring) 5 minute software demo's/walkthrough's that were unnecessary.

You found them unnecessary but yours is not fact or even universal opinion

Those demos do more to explain the hardware in terms that the common buyer can understand than any spec list that a genius like you understands without such assistance. So don't expect to go anywhere.

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 10:10 AM
Those MBA prices look delicious -- I just hope that means the base 11" MBA model is now 128 SSD and the 256 SSD is going for approx $1,200.

And come ooooon better battery life!! :D

Dumping my 2010 Air this weekend. I can live without it for a few weeks to gain an extra $100 or so before Apple drops the price themselves.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:10 AM
AUS prices are crazy

Current prices:

15-inch: 2.2 GHz A$ 2,099.00
15-inch: 2.4 GHz A$ 2,499.00
17-inch: 2.4 GHz A$ 2,899.00

Radio
Jun 6, 2012, 10:10 AM
Fake!

it has seams! jk :)

cool - seirously considering an mac book pro

does anyone use it for music editing? any latency issues?

thanks! :)

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
don't just convert dollars
down here in Aus we pay 20-50% more than the UK and US for everything, AFTER converting.
i bought my ipad in the states while on holiday and it was like getting a $200 discount!
last song i bought on itunes from my australian account was US$2.50
if i had an american account it would have been 0.99US OR AUD $0.90

Of course. I was just using a straight conversion as a rough guide for our posters from other countries.

slnko-v-sieti
Jun 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
Air refresh--hurrah!

vikpt
Jun 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
damn! if that is true i guess there won't be a 13 in. redesigned macbook pro anymore :(

DaveTheRave
Jun 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
Their guesses are identical to ours with the exception of the K31 part, which with a price of AU$119 would represent a new AirPort Express rather than a Time Capsule upgrade.

Nice, been waiting to pick up an Express for a family member. That one is overdue for an update.

marcusj0015
Jun 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
That is quiet a price hike from 2500 to 3000 for MBP, if true.

I'm hoping it's just taxes and import duties, they are in Australian currency...

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
all I want is a better resolution screen.. 1440x900 for 15"macbook is bad.. =[

Totally agree.

In fact I remember having a Latitude D800 at work back in March 2003, which had a 1920x1200 resolution display at 15,4".

It shouldn't be too hard to have a decent resolution in 2012.

Forensickle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
Of course. I was just using a straight conversion as a rough guide for our posters from other countries.

the easiest conversion from australian prices is to divide by 2, and that is the USD price

i have a friend who will fly to the states to buy for a few different people, and bring them back, the savings more than covering the $2000 airfare

xgman
Jun 6, 2012, 10:13 AM
roughly:

1.00 USD = 1.01199 AUD

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=AUD

RobQuads
Jun 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Boo No Mac Mini upgrade. Its the one I was actually considering. Want to get rid of my ugly office PC and move it to the Mac Platform. Needs to have USB3 so an updated Mac is the only option (bar continuing with the Hackintosh)

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
I'm hoping it's just taxes and import duties, they are in Australian currency...

so? look at the current prices of mbp in australia, its still a $400 increase ...

i'm guessing the "Pro" label will justify its name again soon

jhwalker
Jun 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Nice, been waiting to pick up an Express for a family member. That one is overdue for an update.

I was hoping for an update on the Extreme :/ I have one that's been a bit flaky since a near-miss lightning strike a few weeks back, but was hoping for a new model before I replaced it.

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Image (http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/full-mac-price-list-ai-sucks.png)

If Australia doesn't have any crazy import and duty fees then this would mean a macbook pro of $3,199.

The two dollars trade almost at 1:1 nowadays.

Ironduke
Jun 6, 2012, 10:15 AM
Minor spec bumps for most macs, no retina and lots of angry fanboys

BOOK IT:cool:

Forensickle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:16 AM
roughly:

1.00 USD = 1.01199 AUD

2 months ago 1 AUD bought 1.10US
and our products still cost 20% more
that isn't taxes or duties, that is just "regional pricing"

AQUADock
Jun 6, 2012, 10:16 AM
Everything but the Mac Mini! But that's fine, since I just got mine a few weeks ago. Nice to know it would be obsolete just yet.


I can't wait to see what the new Airs have to offer.


Also, maybe a new TB display with USB 3.0 ports?

Just because Apple updates it does not make your current Mac mini obsolete.

nsfw
Jun 6, 2012, 10:17 AM
New Time Capsules is great news. I was planning to pick one up along with my 2012 17" MBP anyways, so maybe I'll see a bump to 802.11ac or 3TB for $299. A little bonus is always nice.

EDIT: Aargh, Airport Express only?? Nuts.

11ac for all those Apple products with 11ac?
The Time Capsule was more or less just upgraded, i honestly don't see any need for something new.
If anything, the express needs a chipset upgrade to match the extreme and TC.

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 10:18 AM
damn! if that is true i guess there won't be a 13 in. redesigned macbook pro anymore :(

Yep - no more "fake" Pro's.

charlituna
Jun 6, 2012, 10:18 AM
Is it just me, or is the new administration looking like they are pro Mac? It is starting to look like a push for domination of the computer market.

No more or less than the old administration. Apple doesn't upgrade just to do it. They wait for a real reason and when that reason is ready to be on the market.

Yes they have pushed the devices in terms of the ads etc but that's because that is the better tool for creating brand mind share to bring over the PC folks which is vital if they are going to grow as a company. Nothing more or less. It doesn't mean that anyone at the company is dismissing the computer side etc.

Of course those that hate the whole iDevice stuff are going to continue to hate it, those that are all gaga for their Pro Tower are going to continue to think that Apple is dismissing them etc and become a toy company. And when something does change, now that Steve is dead and gone they will say that it is because Tim isn't a hater blah blah forgetting that tech doesn't change overnight and all this stuff and even next years stuff could be things that Steve started before he left and put Tim in charge

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:18 AM
Totally agree.

In fact I remember having a Latitude D800 at work back in March 2003, which had a 1920x1200 resolution display at 15,4".

It shouldn't be too hard to have a decent resolution in 2012.

Unfortunately those laptops are long gone. You will struggle to find a laptop with 1920x1200 16:10 resolution these days. There was a dip for a while and many laptops have been coming out with 1366x768, even 15" ones. It seems that higher resolution is back in vogue on the PC side again and there are more higher resolution displays available, but they are only 1920x1080 (16:9). Great for watching movies, but not as great as 16:10 for working.

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:19 AM
Minor spec bumps for most macs, no retina and lots of angry fanboys

BOOK IT:cool:

the MBP price increased by $400 of the current mbp price in australia so i'm guessing the "pro" line will be "pro" again meaning it'll be the first do adopt the retina display. could explain such a major price increase of the mbp line

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 10:19 AM
11ac for all those Apple products with 11ac?
The Time Capsule was more or less just upgraded, i honestly don't see any need for something new.
If anything, the express needs a chipset upgrade to match the extreme and TC.

Time Capsule could gain a Thunderbolt port?

xgman
Jun 6, 2012, 10:19 AM
Finally lots of stuff to get excited about.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:20 AM
Time Capsule could gain a Thunderbolt port?

Why? Why would a router need a Thunderbolt port?

Forensickle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:20 AM
The price increases in Australia suggest these will be MASSIVE upgrades for consumers looking for the best laptops in the industry. Once again Apple will lead the way in delivering a product that is true revolutionary.

the previously posted approx $100 increase to the macbook pro price due to a retina display i figure accounts for most of the $400 increase.
100 more for the US release chould be $250 more for the australian

yay american mac buying holiday!

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Unfortunately those laptops are long gone. You will struggle to find a laptop with 1920x1200 16:10 resolution these days. There was a dip for a while and many laptops have been coming out with 1366x768, even 15" ones. It seems that higher resolution is back in vogue on the PC side again and there are more higher resolution displays available, but they are only 1920x1080 (16:9). Great for watching movies, but not as great as 16:10 for working.

The gain in vertical real estate is very important for productivity.

That Latitude was great for productivity reasons. Besides the resolution it was the first to sport a Pentium-M, the first Intel CPU designed for mobile. Before they offered a Pentium 4-M, that was just a desktop version roughly transferred to mobile.

All in all, that resolution was great. Only a TN panel, but still it was more than 9 years ago!!!

Flood123
Jun 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Is it atypical for a price increase of this nature across the board? If this is real, it seems excessive doesn't it? I have been following Apple for a long while and i don't recall anything like this. At least in recent history. My curiosity is through the roof.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Now this I get excited about!!!

The Mac lives!

charlituna
Jun 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
Maybe I'm crazy, but could the new SuperDrive be Blu-ray capable? :eek:

Apple hasn't supported Blu-ray all this time and is increasing the quality of their online offerings with higher level video AND more free redownloads etc. Highly unlikely they will suddenly turn around and put a blu-ray drive in their machines.

marcusj0015
Jun 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
so? look at the current prices of mbp in australia, its still a $400 increase ...

i'm guessing the "Pro" label will justify its name again soon

What are you even talking about?! Jesus man.

MacRumorUser
Jun 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
I don't get this rumor. :confused:

It's not about iOS and doesn't involve someone (usually Samsung) being sued ??? :p

GizmoDVD
Jun 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
Why? Why would a router need a Thunderbolt port?

Backup files?

akbarali.ch
Jun 6, 2012, 10:24 AM
Suddenly everyone is mummm on Retina !

iamthedudeman
Jun 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
the MBP price increased by $400 of the current mbp price in australia so i'm guessing the "pro" line will be "pro" again meaning it'll be the first do adopt the retina display. could explain such a major price increase of the mbp line

Well, has anyone even considered that those leaked laptops are a 15 Air and not a Pro at all?

The price would fit a 15 Air, not a Pro. If it is a Pro, which I am thinking it is, if it has a SSD those prices are not out of line, as the 13 Air top spec is $1700 US.

It may be for a 15 Air is a possibility.

keramidas
Jun 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
all that matters is that it seems that a lot of problem will probably have to find an extra ~10% in the money they had in mind for buying a new mac.

great for the upgrades, bad for the wallet.

TsunamiTheClown
Jun 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
No these are just the order codes for the local Chinese restaurant for the team.

i'll take a J31 please.

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
What are you even talking about?! Jesus man.

you dont get it :rolleyes: current macbook pro 15 retails for AU $2.099 IN AUSTRALIA and the NEW macbook pro 15 supposedly starts at AU $2.499 IN AUSTRALIA so thats a $400 increase. this has nothing to do with currency rates

RalfTheDog
Jun 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
Is it atypical for a price increase of this nature across the board? If this is real, it seems excessive doesn't it? I have been following Apple for a long while and i don't recall anything like this. At least in recent history. My curiosity is through the roof.

I thought, the jump in price was due to Australian currency conversion and their taxes.

oiuh151
Jun 6, 2012, 10:28 AM
you dont get it :rolleyes: current macbook pro 15 retails for AU $2.099 IN AUSTRALIA and the NEW macbook pro 15 supposedely starts at AU $2.499 so thats a $400 increase. this has nothing to do with currency rates

Current high-end 15" retails for 2499 in Australia. They are likely just dropping the low-end 15" model.

Eidorian
Jun 6, 2012, 10:28 AM
The price increases in Australia suggest these will be MASSIVE upgrades for consumers looking for the best laptops in the industry. Once again Apple will lead the way in delivering a product that is true revolutionary.

Is it atypical for a price increase of this nature across the board? If this is real, it seems excessive doesn't it? I have been following Apple for a long while and i don't recall anything like this. At least in recent history. My curiosity is through the roof.Sadly, Apple's pricing schemes get silly outside of the US.

Ironduke
Jun 6, 2012, 10:29 AM
the MBP price increased by $400 of the current mbp price in australia so i'm guessing the "pro" line will be "pro" again meaning it'll be the first do adopt the retina display. could explain such a major price increase of the mbp line

You mean pro price lol:p

Antares
Jun 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
God it must be good to know so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

No disrespect or bad intentions. It's just that you've got to applaud Apple's strategy this past decade. It made quite a few people just "wanting" to buy.


Last decade? I've been "just wanting to buy" Apple products since 1989. So, any strategy they do works on me.

yg17
Jun 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
I hope one of those is a Bluetooth keyboard with a number pad. Removing it was one of the dumbest things they've done IMO.

foodog
Jun 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
Backup files?

A router with Thunderbolt is not even close to be sane... The bottleneck is the wireless radio which is slower than USB

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 10:35 AM
A router with Thunderbolt is not even close to be sane... The bottleneck is the wireless radio which is slower than USB

802.11ac :eek:

The future of Wireless is looking promising.

kyjaotkb
Jun 6, 2012, 10:35 AM
i'll take a J31 please.

Remember the craze about the K48 2,5 years ago!
That one really was the New Moon Special Lacquered Duck with Fried Noodles and Dumplings set of its era !

manu chao
Jun 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
Backup files?
If the TC is connected via a cable and used for backup purposes mainly, you might as well just use a simple external HDD for that. If you need the NAS part (ie, want other computers to access it as well), you need to connect it via a networking protocol (WiFi, Ethernet). TB is not a networking protocol, though you can tunnel a networking protocol like Gbit-Ethernet or 10 Gbit-Ethernet or Fibre Channel over it.

zorinlynx
Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
I haven't been excited about upcoming Apple products in such a long time. It's been so depressing to get nothing but iOS news, and now suddenly we have new Mac stuff coming! Woo!

I have a feeling I'll have a lighter wallet in the next weeks...

bbeagle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
hey, it's like the good old days - when there were rumours about actual macintosh computers. cool

It looks like Apple is abandoning it's iOS devices.

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:D lol

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
A router with Thunderbolt is not even close to be sane... The bottleneck is the wireless radio which is slower than USB

We'll be getting 802.11ac eventually but yeah, there are so many bottlenecks that Thunderbolt would just be a silly expense.

Chilla
Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
It would seem obvious from the changes in pricing the refresh for the MBAs will be minor. With prices staying the same or going down there definitely will not be an inclusion of a retina display. The update would most likely just include an updated processor, and possibly the inclusion of USB 3 ports and slightly increased RAM, with no other major hardware changes.

The MBP appears to be a different story, if it truly is accounted for by the MC-975/6 D2 designation. The base model is increasing 19% while the best model is increasing a staggering 28%. These will most likely translate to US prices of $2,099 and $2,799 (Or maybe $1,999 to keep it under the $2k barrier). With this sort of increase it would appear the MBP is set for either the inclusion of retina or a SSD and possibly an increase in base RAM.

Flood123
Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
I thought, the jump in price was due to Australian currency conversion and their taxes.

$1.00 AUD= $ 0.989961 USD

Since the conversion isn't far off I am hoping that these prices are after taxes as you stated. Are you saying import tax or sales tax? I am guessing you mean import tax which would make A LOT more sense. I couldn't imagine them listing the sales price. Maybe they do though. I am not versed in inner Aussie tax workings. My fingers are crossed. I am sure many other folks are crossing theirs as well.

Sue De Nimes
Jun 6, 2012, 10:39 AM
Why is the "Mac pro better" more expensive than the "Ultimate" ? :confused:

It is better

Hope that helps.

;)

deconstruct60
Jun 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
Why? Why would a router need a Thunderbolt port?

There are three major variations on routers apple has.

Time Machine -- network devices were back up data is sent that also happens to be a router.

Airport Extreme -- primarily a router. Typically the "hooked to the internet" master router if have several at this location.

Airport Express -- typically used to extend coverage of area and/or devices that don't have wireless.



Time Machine duties as a large data store could leverage a Thunderbolt connected data store. However, that could just as easily, and more cost effectively, be done by updating to USB 3.0 . ( as have other entry level NAS boxes over the year. )


Unless the Time Machine router is getting "better than GbE" connectivity (e.g., bounded GbE throughput for mutiple Gbps bandwidth ) it isn't all that likely to require Thunderbolt like bandwidth to the data store. Even if doing back-ups of the back-ups from the internal to an external drive ... it is kind of overkill.


Conceptually, they could use it to expand the GbE sockets of the router with an expander box ... but that too seems like overkill. Especially when Apple is more likely to push harder for the higher speed WiFi .

Xcelerate
Jun 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
Here he comes kids…!

Image (http://images.cyberimg.com/iphone/2011/12/26/santa_cook.jpg)

You have no idea how hard I'm laughing! :D

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
hey, it's like the good old days - when there were rumours about actual macintosh computers. cool

You don't want the old days of mac forums. We mostly sat around and talked about nothing.

iZac
Jun 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
you dont get it :rolleyes: current macbook pro 15 retails for AU $2.099 IN AUSTRALIA and the NEW macbook pro 15 supposedly starts at AU $2.499 IN AUSTRALIA so thats a $400 increase. this has nothing to do with currency rates

Perhaps it's retina and SSD in standard config, BTO downgrade to a HDD and pleb screen?

bbeagle
Jun 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
you dont get it :rolleyes: current macbook pro 15 retails for AU $2.099 IN AUSTRALIA and the NEW macbook pro 15 supposedly starts at AU $2.499 IN AUSTRALIA so thats a $400 increase. this has nothing to do with currency rates

Does Australia have tax included in prices, or is that extra?

Tax adds around 10% to the price of everything in the United States.(Depending on state and city)

If I bought a $1,999 macbook in the states, it would cost me about $2200 after taxes are added.

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
Perhaps it's retina and SSD in standard config, BTO downgrade to a HDD and pleb screen?

thats what i'm thinking, the macbook "pro" is finally gonna be a "pro" again and probably the first to adopt the retina display while the mba will probably stay on its current resolution with minor improvements and replacing the 13 mbp ... sadly

Does Australia have tax included in prices, or is that extra?

Tax adds around 10% to the price of everything in the United States.(Depending on state and city)

If I bought a $1,999 macbook in the states, it would cost me about $2200 after taxes are added.

already included in australia

comatory
Jun 6, 2012, 10:45 AM
This keynote will be just slight hardware refresh with AC wifi and new chipsets containing USB3, same construction just bumped specs. It will be a out iOS and ML mostly. That Retina rumor doesnt seem to be happening,not yet.

drewisanapple
Jun 6, 2012, 10:46 AM
It would seem obvious from the changes in pricing the refresh for the MBAs will be minor. With prices staying the same or going down there definitely will not be an inclusion of a retina display. The update would most likely just include an updated processor, and possibly the inclusion of USB 3 ports and slightly increased RAM, with no other major hardware changes.

The MBP appears to be a different story, if it truly is accounted for by the MC-975/6 D2 designation. The base model is increasing 19% while the best model is increasing a staggering 28%. These will most likely translate to US prices of $2,099 and $2,799 (Or maybe $1,999 to keep it under the $2k barrier). With this sort of increase it would appear the MBP is set for either the inclusion of retina or a SSD and possibly an increase in base RAM.

Wouldn't it make sense to keep the same 16.7% difference?

I don't know if we can make assumptions on the price yet.

xgman
Jun 6, 2012, 10:47 AM
It looks like Apple is abandoning it's iOS devices.

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:D lol

that's funny ... :D

ArcaneDevice
Jun 6, 2012, 10:48 AM
The keynote is 1.5 hours. They don't have to take more than 20-25 minutes to refresh the whole mac line if they don't want to. The last few keynotes were padded with multiple (pretty boring) 5 minute software demo's/walkthrough's that were unnecessary. Keep in mind, the conference lasts 5 days!! We're just talking about the keynote, which is exciting, but only 1.5 hours out of 5 whole days!

If these are just spec bumps they don't even have to spend that long talking about them.

"And we've updated our entire line of Macs! Check them out on the floor!"

AccenT
Jun 6, 2012, 10:48 AM
Now's the time to buy shares.

Ivabign
Jun 6, 2012, 10:49 AM
I hope this all means I can get a refurb iMac 22" with quad i5 for 899 now!

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 10:49 AM
That Retina rumor doesnt seem to be happening,not yet.

a retina display would explain the $400 increase of macbook pro's in australia tho ...

currency rates and tax does not matter cuz you just have to compare it to the current price of the mbp in australia and you will notice the big difference. my bet = retina display on 15 mbp only and the 13 mbp will be replaced by the 13 mba

ArcaneDevice
Jun 6, 2012, 10:50 AM
You don't want the old days of mac forums. We mostly sat around and talked about nothing.

You should have been on the xlr8yourmac forum. There were always plenty of things to talk about and mod there.

comatory
Jun 6, 2012, 10:50 AM
If these are just spec bumps they don't even have to spend that long talking about them.

"And we've updated our entire line of Macs! Check them out on the floor!"
Exactly. I mean i'd love to see redesigned computers just as anyone with all the rumored goodies but remember , its the same every year,lot of expectation but in the end just small upgrades. Major refresh will have its own event,maybe in the fall.

I know nobody wants to hear it, my gut is telling me this won be as big as we hoped to.

mabaker
Jun 6, 2012, 10:51 AM
You don't want the old days of mac forums. We mostly sat around and talked about nothing.

That was the beauty of it. Nowadays the forums consists of teenagers asking whether their new iPhone 4S 64 GB will fit their business needs of texting and posting pictures on Facebook.

Ryth
Jun 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
Does Australia have tax included in prices, or is that extra?

Tax adds around 10% to the price of everything in the United States.(Depending on state and city)

If I bought a $1,999 macbook in the states, it would cost me about $2200 after taxes are added.

Not if you buy it in a tax free state or go across the state lines.

=)

chadua
Jun 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
Perhaps there is a convergence of the 13" air and the 13" pro...

Rocketman
Jun 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
People have literally been clamoring for MacPro updates for years. Now you got your wish. Now it will be a short 2-3 years till the next update. Let the continuous, futile, clamoring begin!

Rocketman

deconstruct60
Jun 6, 2012, 10:55 AM
802.11ac :eek:

The future of Wireless is looking promising.

Doubtful that Apple is rolling out a 8 antenna maximum frequency saturation box. (6.9Gb/s) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#Example_configurations )

More likely in the 1-2Gb/s range. At that level USB 3.0 is in the ballpark and more cost effective.

But yeah if Apple gets to the point that "simple" Time Capsule boxes are 6Gbp/s RAID 5 boxes or there are affordable 2TB 6Gb/s SDD drives .... Thunderbolt would have some traction.

Old Muley
Jun 6, 2012, 10:57 AM
As my son used to say when he was little; "WEE WEE WEE!"

Macboy Pro
Jun 6, 2012, 10:57 AM
Hope we get a new keyboard that is Backlit and possibly dedicated buttons to the app store or iCloud.

cause its hard to click on the dock bar? LOL Please don't clutter the keyboard.

Rogifan
Jun 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
This keynote will be just slight hardware refresh with AC wifi and new chipsets containing USB3, same construction just bumped specs. It will be a out iOS and ML mostly. That Retina rumor doesnt seem to be happening,not yet.
And you know this how?

Baklava
Jun 6, 2012, 11:00 AM
hey, it's like the good old days - when there were rumours about actual macintosh computers. cool
Oh yeah!

They won't. This list, if true, just adds to the idea that they won't be keynoting hardware. It's 90 minutes.
Agree with that. But I think that some key products will be mentioned at the beginning or the end of the keynote. This years WWDC is the right time to mention Mac computers again after such a long time. There are so many iOS users who don't know anything about Macintosh so Apple uses opportunities like this years WWDC to change it.

We'll see next week... I am really excited. The last keynotes were just... I don't know... too 'Macless'. :)

Rogifan
Jun 6, 2012, 11:00 AM
Exactly. I mean i'd love to see redesigned computers just as anyone with all the rumored goodies but remember , its the same every year,lot of expectation but in the end just small upgrades. Major refresh will have its own event,maybe in the fall.

I know nobody wants to hear it, my gut is telling me this won be as big as we hoped to.
Yes because we need all this time to talk about Facebook/iOS integration and a map app that's most likely going to be inferior to Google's. That's certainly more important than talking about new hardware. :p

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 11:00 AM
You should have been on the xlr8yourmac forum. There were always plenty of things to talk about and mod there.

Yeah, I posted more on MacAddict. It mostly consisted of people being crazy and having weird esoteric arguments. xlr8 was a great place to look up info when fixing old macs, though.

pacalis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:02 AM
Yes, people are just *dying* to buy their products!

I don't know about dying, but they'll be coughing up a lot.

You know, lot of coughers. :p

yjypm
Jun 6, 2012, 11:04 AM
it seems the new macbook pros are really gonna be "professional" according to the price... i also doubt people would be willing to buy a new macbook pro rather than keeping their old MacBooks and buying an iMac 27 or a Mac Pro.

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 11:04 AM
I don't know about dying, but they'll be coughing up a lot.

You know, lot of coughers. :p

They'll be ... falling over ... themselves! *crypt keeper laugh*

rmwebs
Jun 6, 2012, 11:05 AM
God it must be good to know so many people are eager to just fill Apple's coffins...

No disrespect or bad intentions. It's just that you've got to applaud Apple's strategy this past decade. It made quite a few people just "wanting" to buy.

Terrific, terrific strategy, marketing, effort, result.

Yeah, because nobody here NEEDS a new mac, they just want one :rolleyes:

The current Mac Pro line is crap and doesn't fulfil its users needs, hence a refresh will equal people being able to finally get a Mac Pro that can pull its weight once again.

bbeagle
Jun 6, 2012, 11:06 AM
Not if you buy it in a tax free state or go across the state lines.

=)

Delaware and Oregon do not have sales taxes. Alaska, New Hampshire and Montana don't have a STATE sales tax, but local sales taxes are 1-7%.

Highest are: certain counties in New York 13%, Illinois 11.5%, Arizona 10.6%, Louisiana 10%.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

rmwebs
Jun 6, 2012, 11:06 AM
What could the new engraved "accessory" be? Im drawing a blank!

A few ideas (no insight or proof, just ideas):

- A remote of some shape or form
- A trackpad or keyboard related item
- A new iPod?

anthony11
Jun 6, 2012, 11:07 AM
Would love an upgraded Time Capsule that supports some form of apps. .
It's called the Mac Mini.

JayJayAbels
Jun 6, 2012, 11:07 AM
Why all this talk about "no retina"? It's like everyone EXPECTS a price boost from simply including that feature in its base models.

If Apple wanted to REALLY take a big chomp out of the desktop and laptop market... they, initially, would have to make minor sacrifices. The retina display, as a standard, does that for their product line. They would literally trounce their competitors.

I just don't get all this "no retina" talk. Hey maybe I'm missing something. If so... do enlighten me. I'm all ears.
(Or... eyes... ya know because of the... nm)

comatory
Jun 6, 2012, 11:07 AM
And you know this how?

Just guessing for fun, like everyone else here. If it is not true, you can call me out on my claim chowder :)

benspratling
Jun 6, 2012, 11:08 AM
They won't. This list, if true, just adds to the idea that they won't be keynoting hardware. It's 90 minutes. The bulk of that will have to be iOS 6 which they have to preview to set up every iOS panel for the rest of the week. otherwise what's the point of having those panels. Then there's any remaining Mountain Lion features to disclose, also vital to the whole conference. Those two are easily 60 of the 90 minutes if not more. 30 minutes to talk about that whole list in any kind of detail. Not even Steve could pull that off. Any mentions of hardware will be quick and cursory. They will talk in broad strokes focusing on details that will directly effect the software and require changes in existing apps etc. Oh speaking of apps, if they have anything new on that front to discuss like say a new version of iWork for that native iCloud document syncing everyone is screaming about being vital, that's even less time for hardware.

Actually, after lunch, they usually have a "State of the OS" lecture, ahem, "session" which goes for an hour on technical details of the OS's, so, no they don't absolutely have to spend the whole keynote on iOS 6. Then a "State of Developer Tools" then "State of Graphics" or whatnot... Monday is a pretty boring day, other than the heart pounding excitement of seeing Steve Jobs on sta... seeing Tim Cook on s... seeing Phil... well. Ok, Monday is a pretty boring day... aside from those moments when they announce features like magnetometers & gyroscopes and I yelp for joy, embarrassing myself and the people around me.

PoleMan14
Jun 6, 2012, 11:08 AM
Delaware, and Oregon do not have sales taxes. Alaska, New Hampshire and Montana don't have a STATE sales tax, but local sales taxes are 1-7%.

Highest are: certain counties in New York 13%, Illinois 11.5%, Arizona 10.6%, Louisiana 10%.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

NH is no state AND no sales tax...too bad I don't live there anymore :(

andrewzz
Jun 6, 2012, 11:09 AM
I hope the 17 inch MBP is late, not dead.

I bet the 13" MBP is dropped and not the 17".

e-coli
Jun 6, 2012, 11:10 AM
The $35 - $59 range products are cables and adapters. With a shift to USB3 there will need to be cables for the transition. As well as cables for Thunderbolt to whatever interface (FW800, Ethernet, etc). This assumes they dump the bulky FW800 and ethernet ports of course. My opinion, but what do I know.

manu chao
Jun 6, 2012, 11:10 AM
Unless the Time Capsule router is getting "better than GbE" connectivity (e.g., bounded GbE throughput for mutiple Gbps bandwidth ) it isn't all that likely to require Thunderbolt like bandwidth to the data store. Even if doing back-ups of the back-ups from the internal to an external drive ... it is kind of overkill.

That is exactly the point.

The problem is when people say TB TC, do they mean TC to external HDD or TC to computer? One could use TB to replace or supplement the GbE connection (essentially tunnelling 10 GbE or Fibre Channel through it) but then why not add one of these two directly (ok, adding 10 GbE to a computer does not come completely free but adding TB to the TC might not be cheaper than adding 10 GbE to both sides, computer + TC).

andrewzz
Jun 6, 2012, 11:11 AM
Why all this talk about "no retina"? It's like everyone EXPECTS a price boost from simply including that feature in its base models.

If Apple wanted to REALLY take a big chomp out of the desktop and laptop market... they, initially, would have to make minor sacrifices. The retina display, as a standard, does that for their product line. They would literally trounce their competitors.

I just don't get all this "no retina" talk. Hey maybe I'm missing something. If so... do enlighten me. I'm all ears.
(Or... eyes... ya know because of the... nm)

My bet is that ALL of these upgrades have a Retina upgrade - that's why they're being upgraded at the same time.

comatory
Jun 6, 2012, 11:11 AM
Yes because we need all this time to talk about Facebook/iOS integration and a map app that's most likely going to be inferior to Google's. That's certainly more important than talking about new hardware. :p

It's DEVELOPERS conference most of all. So yeah,maybe - there's a ton of new features in iOS and ML besides what you mention. Sandboxing, gatekeeping and I think everyone will be interested about new APIs.

pacalis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:13 AM
Unfortunately those laptops are long gone. You will struggle to find a laptop with 1920x1200 16:10 resolution these days. There was a dip for a while and many laptops have been coming out with 1366x768, even 15" ones. It seems that higher resolution is back in vogue on the PC side again and there are more higher resolution displays available, but they are only 1920x1080 (16:9). Great for watching movies, but not as great as 16:10 for working.

Are they're any others than the 17 inch mbp?

Sony has a fair number of models of 1080p. But others have a lot at 1366x768. And honestly I find anything below n x 1050 unusable.

wimdows
Jun 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
Totally agree.

In fact I remember having a Latitude D800 at work back in March 2003, which had a 1920x1200 resolution display at 15,4".

It shouldn't be too hard to have a decent resolution in 2012.

Yep. Definitely. I remember having a work laptop back in 2001, which ran 1600x1200!

And hopefully if we get retina displays, I hope it can be adjusted so you can choose a balance between more screen estate versus retina quality.

jens5202
Jun 6, 2012, 11:16 AM
DOES THAT MAN I'VE BEEN WAITING ON MBP'S 13" FOR MONTHS AND NOW IT ISNT EVEN COMING?!?! FOR **** SAKE IM PISSED!:mad:

Skoopman
Jun 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
you dont get it :rolleyes: current macbook pro 15 retails for AU $2.099 IN AUSTRALIA and the NEW macbook pro 15 supposedly starts at AU $2.499 IN AUSTRALIA so thats a $400 increase. this has nothing to do with currency rates

How do you know that the one in the rumored list is the entry model? The list could be incomplete. We'll see.

pacalis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
I bet the 13" MBP is dropped and not the 17".

I agree. MBA's with the new processors should be beasts in their own right for most tasks and it will be hard to distinguish a MBP from a MBA at 13". Plus, depending on their specs, they may even have better performance for major consumer applications.

Joe23
Jun 6, 2012, 11:21 AM
DOES THAT MAN I'VE BEEN WAITING ON MBP'S 13" FOR MONTHS AND NOW IT ISNT EVEN COMING?!?! FOR **** SAKE IM PISSED!:mad:

Which of the "Pro" features do you think you need? I only ask as I know a lot of people who bought a 13" MBP for Facebook and iPhoto.

The 13" MBA is a more than capable device. I should know, it's my primary machine outside of the office for web design and programming.

JayJayAbels
Jun 6, 2012, 11:22 AM
WWDC logo = Retina displays, redesigned icons and new OS.

WWDC slogan...

"Where great ideas go on to do great things."

^ After reflecting a bit on this... I've come to realize... it's absolutely a nod to the late, great Steve Jobs and continuing his vision for the future of tech.

Which, imo, gives us some real insight into the possibilities of WWDC.

Apple TV?

I think some of those who complained that the phrase wasn't "clever" enough... actually missed the whole "cleverness" part.

Asclepio
Jun 6, 2012, 11:22 AM
it's just seem a minor upgrade.

Oli3000
Jun 6, 2012, 11:23 AM
Apologies if already mentioned.

But surely the MD633G/A Standalone Kit - 2x4GB-GEN is likely to be a replacement for this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC448G/A#overview

New uprated, 1600mhz RAM for iMacs?

Confuzzzed
Jun 6, 2012, 11:24 AM
Current prices:

15-inch: 2.2 GHz A$ 2,099.00
15-inch: 2.4 GHz A$ 2,499.00
17-inch: 2.4 GHz A$ 2,899.00

To our Australian friends, how do the proposed prices compare to the current prices of the iMacs please?

Enkonis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:25 AM
It seems to me that all those rumors about MBP turning into new style of MBA was leading to a greater separation between the two. The consumer version will now undoubtedly be the MBA and the pro version will just have 2 base computers - a 15" & 17" - if you want a 13" then a MBA could prob handle what you are doing with it.

I would hope there is a price jump and it includes retina display, SSD & 8 gig or more base ram.

This all seems legit because now that I see it in print, this makes exact sense for what apple would be doing - besides, if you are now including SSD with every MBP, then why have multiple versions because the price difference is too expensive for different SSDs. There fore there will be one base 15" & one base 17" - 2 pro versions, pretty beefed up for pros and those who look for a cheaper MBP- the air will be rising somewhat to meet the lower end.

Confuzzzed
Jun 6, 2012, 11:26 AM
Which of the "Pro" features do you think you need? I only ask as I know a lot of people who bought a 13" MBP for Facebook and iPhoto.

The 13" MBA is a more than capable device. I should know, it's my primary machine outside of the office for web design and programming.

I'll second that. Buy a MacBook Air 13" ultimate and it'll be as good as any 13" MBP

aloshka
Jun 6, 2012, 11:27 AM
I hope one of those is a Bluetooth keyboard with a number pad. Removing it was one of the dumbest things they've done IMO.

I am with you!!

Flood123
Jun 6, 2012, 11:29 AM
a retina display would explain the $400 increase of macbook pro's in australia tho ...

currency rates and tax does not matter cuz you just have to compare it to the current price of the mbp in australia and you will notice the big difference. my bet = retina display on 15 mbp only and the 13 mbp will be replaced by the 13 mba

For the mbp and the iMac the price increase could absolutely point to a retina display, sdd, or both.

For the Mac Pro however, a retina display doesn't enter into the equation. Unless of course it is an all in one Mac Pro with a retina display, which would be weird and super unlikely (at least as far as I can see.) I am curious to see how all this plays out.

koyoot
Jun 6, 2012, 11:30 AM
DOES THAT MAN I'VE BEEN WAITING ON MBP'S 13" FOR MONTHS AND NOW IT ISNT EVEN COMING?!?! FOR **** SAKE IM PISSED!:mad:

Don't judge book... ;). Wait for the WWDC and then be happy that MBP was updated ;).

dbit
Jun 6, 2012, 11:31 AM
Hmmm.

New Mac Pro's with high end professional GPU options.

Retina Displays.

Even on the low end, ivy bridge brings improved integrated graphics processing.

WWDC Theme = Graphics, Graphics, Graphics?

Hey, a guy can dream can't he? :p

They could finally address the gaming market, put video professionals concerns to rest, and revel in the retinal future of the macs and portables. Certainly all these things are of interest to developers.

Let me be clear, I do not think this is the case, but I would love it to be! :rolleyes:

Enkonis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:31 AM
It could be that the 17" has a slightly larger SSD than the 15"- I'm curious to see if that's the case, but I think we can bet the bank on included SSDs for MBP and hopefully of decent size

With all the new MBP is gonna offer, there is no longer need for an entry model...

JaHull
Jun 6, 2012, 11:32 AM
For all the people thinking why have the prices of the MacBook Pros gone up in price, if you look at the Produce Codes they are, MC975X/A and MC976X/A.
Now if you have a look at the codes from the MacBook Pros (Late 2011) they all start with MDxxxxx/A.
So one would assume these new items with a code starting with MC are not Macs or at least one which isn't in the current lineup of Macs since all Mac updates should start with at least MD.
For the prices they are you could be looking at a Television set or even the so called xMac.

It also makes sense not to update all products but the Mac Mini, since from silent updates in the past they have usually got updated in pairs so I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook Pro and the Mac Mini will be updated at a later date.

EDIT: Also I would make sense if Mountain Lion is going to be realised at a later date to have some Macs released a long side it for a July/August release.

CUsurfer
Jun 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
That is quiet a price hike from 2500 to 3000 for MBP, if true.

My goodness, I hope that's not the case. That amount doesn't even qualify for the "apple tax" moniker. $3000 for a laptop in 2012? Yikes. It's hard to imagine even Apple would set that price point for a default configuration. With a bunch of add-ons and upgrades it's a different story. From a marketing perspective I think it makes much more sense to keep the price down as low as possible to lure people in, then ream them on the upgrade prices like Apple does now. I'd rather get a third party SSD for 1/3 the price and install myself than have that baked into the default configuration at that price point.

MarkBubba
Jun 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
New 13" maxed out Air Please.
8gb ram
7-10 hour battery life
able to leap tall buildings.


thx :apple:

8Gb RAM is so 2010 - bring on the 32Gb RAM and 24 hour battery life!!

BobCollins
Jun 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
If this leak is true, many of us are screwed. We want the power and flexibility of the MacBook Pro combined with the smaller size and price of the 13" model.

My current MacBook is on its last legs and I am ready to order a new laptop as soon as they are available. Grrr...

iJcaP
Jun 6, 2012, 11:38 AM
Like I said yesterday, we may know the models being updated and some of their specs but one thing we don't know is the design, the physical appearance of the device. That is what I find to be driving my curiosity and anxiety for next Monday.

koyoot
Jun 6, 2012, 11:38 AM
For all the people thinking why have the prices of the MacBook Pros gone up in price, if you look at the Produce Codes they are, MC975X/A and MC976X/A.
Now if you have a look at the codes from the MacBook Pros (Late 2011) they all start with MDxxxxx/A.
So one would assume these new items with a code starting with MC are not Macs or at least one which isn't in the current lineup of Macs since all Mac updates should start with at least MD.
For the prices they are you could be looking at a Television set or even the so called xMac.To more accuratelly, Apple never goes down with the code name for computers WITHIN a line. In that case. If MBP got the MD 3XX code on late 2011, every computer can get any other code name, from MC9xx to MDXXX but NOT THE MACBOOK PRO LINE. Macbook Pro line can get ONLY the code which is further than MD 3XX.

Which means that the machine with MC975X code is a totally new Computer, or, its 15 inch Macbook Air.

Possibly, this will be the biggest surprise in last years. And by all means, no redesign for Macbook Pro lineup ;).

salmon
Jun 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
You know, the rumor was that the Macbook Air and Pro offerings were going to merge, so maybe the codes for both of them show a complete line of AirPro laptops from 11.6" to 17" - the 11" & 13" with SSDs only due to size constraints, and the 15" & 17" having a combination SSD (for OS and system files) and HDD (for media files).

Purely guessing, no facts to back it up.

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
If this leak is true, many of us are screwed. We want the power and flexibility of the MacBook Pro combined with the smaller size and price of the 13" model.

My current MacBook is on its last legs and I am ready to order a new laptop as soon as they are available. Grrr...

Er, how? The 13 inch Pro is barely different than a BTO 13 inch Air.

deconstruct60
Jun 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
That is exactly the point.

The problem is when people say TB TC, do they mean TC to external HDD or TC to computer? One could use TB to replace or supplement the GbE connection (essentially tunnelling 10 GbE or Fibre Channel through it) but then why not add one of these two directly (ok, adding 10 GbE to a computer does not come completely free but adding TB to the TC might not be cheaper than adding 10 GbE to both sides, computer + TC).

Hooking the Time Capsule (TC) to a computer is a loopy idea. It is fundamentally flawed. Thunderbolt is not a network in the same sense that Ethernet, Fiber Channel, and/or Infinband is.

It is possible to kludge together but not particular effective. First, same reason can't hook up the TC to a current Mac's USB port and push backups through that wire. The OS inside the TC would have to recognize and support that it is being used both as a "store drive" and as router. Since Apple routers are designed to be "low power" not sure where all internal horsepower comes from to push these simultaneous Gb/s connections in different modes.

Second, the TC stays on all the time. Macs don't have to.


I could perhaps see a Thunderbolt 10 GbE or Fiber Channel adapter being put to use by a substantially upgraded TC box. The sole very high speed connector is conduit to a larger SAN storage network where it could dump a snapshot clone "back-up of the backup". So if the TC drives fail you could do a restore. However, the huge problem there is that doesn't fit with most TC deployments. In most of those cases the TC storage is where on site backups stop. It doesn't matter that much that the TC cannot saturate the link to the SAN. In fact if collecting parallel dumps from several TCs to secondary store probably don't want any one box to saturate the link.


As a "high bandwidth" peer on a high speed network though, I don't see where the TC fits in.

Pretty soon now Apple probably should add 10GbE to the Mac Pro as the default. Intel has newer more reasonably prices 10GbE controllers that fit on the motherboards. However, it isn't "low budget" yet so it will be a long time; if ever it gets rolled out to other Macs. For the TC it is a different story. It doesn't have the internal bandwidth a Mac Pro has. There are two relatively slow HDDs inside. Yeah there is theoretical large total aggregate bandwidth out of the built in GbE switch inside but is really between "from outside" "to outisde" . At TC's price point.... the internal bandwidth is going to substantially smaller.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 11:40 AM
Doubtful that Apple is rolling out a 8 antenna maximum frequency saturation box. (6.9Gb/s) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#Example_configurations )

More likely in the 1-2Gb/s range. At that level USB 3.0 is in the ballpark and more cost effective.

But yeah if Apple gets to the point that "simple" Time Capsule boxes are 6Gbp/s RAID 5 boxes or there are affordable 2TB 6Gb/s SDD drives .... Thunderbolt would have some traction.

Its a start! Who knows how 802.11ac will mature in terms of hardware.

the future
Jun 6, 2012, 11:43 AM
If this is real, the implications seem rather obvious:

MBP 15' price increase -> new design, retina display, maybe ssd (but probably not)
MBP 13' and 17' -> updated later in the year
MBAs, iMacs same prices as before -> minor spec bumps

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 11:43 AM
Er, how? The 13 inch Pro is barely different than a BTO 13 inch Air.

you can't upgrade the ram on the mba and i'm not willing to go back from 8GB Ram on my 2009! mbp to a 4GB ram mb"a" in 2012 plus the 13inch pro offers more usb etc

Confuzzzed
Jun 6, 2012, 11:45 AM
MBP 13' and 17' -> updated later in the year


You lost my interest when you said this. No way will they do a range update bit part

JaHull
Jun 6, 2012, 11:45 AM
To more accuratelly, Apple never goes down with the code name for computers WITHIN a line. In that case. If MBP got the MD 3XX code on late 2011, every computer can get any other code name, from MC9xx to MDXXX but NOT THE MACBOOK PRO LINE. Macbook Pro line can get ONLY the code which is further than MD 3XX.

Which means that the machine with MC975X code is a totally new Computer, or, its 15 inch Macbook Air.

Possibly, this will be the biggest surprise in last years. And by all means, no redesign for Macbook Pro lineup ;).

Thanks for wording it a bit better than me :)

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 11:45 AM
If this is real, the implications seem rather obvious:

MBP 15' price increase -> new design, retina display, maybe ssd (but probably not)
MBP 13' and 17' -> updated later in the year
MBAs, iMacs same prices as before -> minor spec bumps

Screw the SSD maybe its going the way of the MBA and its Flash. As for "retina" I hate the marketing term so much!!! Higher Resolution displays has been an incremental update for Apple Laptops since they were created.

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 11:45 AM
You lost my interest when you said this. No way will they do a range update bit part

wouldnt be the first time

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 11:46 AM
you can't upgrade the ram on the mba and i'm not willing to go back from 8GB Ram on my 2009! mbp to a 4GB ram mb"a" in 2012 plus the 13inch pro offers more usb etc

What if the Air got an 8gb option (agreed that max ram is a limitation of the Air)? As far as USB, there is such a thing as a hub. I'm not sure not wanting to use a USB hub is reasonable justification to keep the model alive (yes, I know that there is the power issue but how many powered ports do you use at once while running around).

Edit: and apparently the 13 pro only has 2 ports like the air anyway.

Confuzzzed
Jun 6, 2012, 11:47 AM
wouldnt be the first time

In the last 5 years?

ristlin
Jun 6, 2012, 11:48 AM
8Gb RAM is so 2010 - bring on the 32Gb RAM and 24 hour battery life!!

24 hour battery life would be nice, but that is also unrealistic lol...

Sue De Nimes
Jun 6, 2012, 11:48 AM
Looking at the iMac prices - they are all the same give or take A$50 apart from the top end iMac which is A$200 more expensive.

My hunch is the top end iMac will come with an SSD as a default option.

MacReloaded
Jun 6, 2012, 11:48 AM
you can't upgrade the ram on the mba and i'm not willing to go back from 8GB Ram on my 2009! mbp to a 4GB ram mb"a" in 2012 plus the 13inch pro offers more usb etc

Both the 13" Air and 13" Pro have 2 USB ports.

Danoc
Jun 6, 2012, 11:49 AM
Macbook Air, the future of MacBooks; they said.

The MBP 13 is phased out by the MBA 13.

Once Apple is ready for a MBA 15, there will be only one line up of MacBooks. No more Pro or Air designation.

zzLZHzz
Jun 6, 2012, 11:51 AM
Looks like they wouldn't melt the MBA and MBP to one device, like some folks speculated here.... Lucky you! :)

Can't wait for monday!
It's like the feeling I had before X-Mas, when I was a young boy. You had some suggestions what your parents might lay under the tree - but you're not sure until you rip off the gift wrap.

it the secrecy that actually lead people into apple

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 11:51 AM
What if the Air got an 8gb option

have u seen the upgrade prices of ram from apple? their apple "fee" is insane. i got 2x4GB for 55€ and apple charges you 200€

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
have u seen the upgrade prices of ram from apple? their apple "fee" is insane. i got 2x4GB for 55€ and apple charges you 200€

Better off going third party.

maccuser
Jun 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
what about the 13 inch MBP? I hope it gets a retina display

bushido
Jun 6, 2012, 11:53 AM
Better off going third party.

thats my point, you cant go third party on the mba ...

same with the SSD, apple wants 500€ for a 256 GB upgrade and i bought a 256GB SSD for 189€ on my mbp

AirThis
Jun 6, 2012, 11:53 AM
I can't wait but I can't make up my mind which model is right for me either... ;)

If the MBP has a smaller form factor, I'll probably go for it. Otherwise it be a tough choice. To MBA or not to MBA, that is the question.

NAG
Jun 6, 2012, 11:53 AM
Macbook Air, the future of MacBooks; they said.

The MBP 13 is phased out by the MBA 13.

Once Apple is ready for a MBA 15, there will be only one line up of MacBooks. No more Pro or Air designation.

I'm not sure they'll get rid of the 17 inch aircraft carrier. Maybe the'll rework that to make it fill a relatively similar position as the Mac Pro, call it the Macbook Pro and everything else is the Macbook Air.

have u seen the upgrade prices of ram from apple? their apple "fee" is insane. i got 2x4GB for 55€ and apple charges you 200€

Macbook Air 11 inch with 64 gb ssd has 2 gb.

Macbook Air 11 inch with 128 gb ssd has 4 gb.

Price increase for double the ram and double the ssd is $200.

Can you get cheaper parts with similar sizes? Yes.

Is the fee insane? Not to me.

Knowing Apple, if they double RAM model they'd probably increase the price in about a $100 increment (look at iOS devices).

This is of course, speculation. But it is supported by their Macbook Air pricing model. Don't look at the iMac and Mac Pro RAM. That is the old Apple pricing model. Look at the pricing relevant to what Apple is doing (and the iOS pricing model is way more applicable to the Macbook Air than the Mac Pro model).

GREEN4U
Jun 6, 2012, 11:54 AM
Macbook Air, the future of MacBooks; they said.

The MBP 13 is phased out by the MBA 13.

Once Apple is ready for a MBA 15, there will be only one line up of MacBooks. No more Pro or Air designation.

That doesn't bode well for this update, however. If what you're saying is true, there will be an in-between 15" MBP model that will only last a short while (like the 13" unibody "macbook" from 2008), and nobody wants to see that.

50548
Jun 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
I'm not sure they'll get rid of the 17 inch aircraft carrier. Maybe the'll rework that to make it fill a relatively similar position as the Mac Pro, call it the Macbook Pro and everything else is the Macbook Air.

Exactly; the 17" model is a goner, and deservedly so. This is why some of the lineup seems shortened (actually meaning that there will be 13" and 15" MBPs only).

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 11:56 AM
There are three major variations on routers apple has.

Time Machine -- network devices were back up data is sent that also happens to be a router.

Airport Extreme -- primarily a router. Typically the "hooked to the internet" master router if have several at this location.

Airport Express -- typically used to extend coverage of area and/or devices that don't have wireless.



Time Machine duties as a large data store could leverage a Thunderbolt connected data store. However, that could just as easily, and more cost effectively, be done by updating to USB 3.0 . ( as have other entry level NAS boxes over the year. )


Unless the Time Machine router is getting "better than GbE" connectivity (e.g., bounded GbE throughput for mutiple Gbps bandwidth ) it isn't all that likely to require Thunderbolt like bandwidth to the data store. Even if doing back-ups of the back-ups from the internal to an external drive ... it is kind of overkill.


Conceptually, they could use it to expand the GbE sockets of the router with an expander box ... but that too seems like overkill. Especially when Apple is more likely to push harder for the higher speed WiFi .
USB 3 would be more than sufficient for the "nas" functionality.

JayJayAbels
Jun 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
The higher end iMacs will see a slight price increase due to the size of the screen real estate need for the new retina displays.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
thats my point, you cant go third party on the mba ...

same with the SSD, apple wants 500€ for a 256 GB upgrade and i bought a 256GB SSD for 189€ on my mbp

If this was volleyball we would have had the set up and the spike. :D

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
It is better

Hope that helps.

;)

Ja, thanks :D

Chupa Chupa
Jun 6, 2012, 11:58 AM
Macbook Air, the future of MacBooks; they said.

The MBP 13 is phased out by the MBA 13.

Once Apple is ready for a MBA 15, there will be only one line up of MacBooks. No more Pro or Air designation.

Some day, but not next Monday. MBP 13 is still the #1 selling Mac... not laptop, Mac. Apple isn't going to be so quick give it the heave-ho. The 13" Air and MBP have a similar screen size. The similarity stops there. The low end 13" Air is $200 more than the 13" MBP, less storage, fewer ports, not upgradable at all. Yes, that makes a difference to a lot of people, based on sales alone.

theSeb
Jun 6, 2012, 11:59 AM
Are they're any others than the 17 inch mbp?

Sony has a fair number of models of 1080p. But others have a lot at 1366x768. And honestly I find anything below n x 1050 unusable.

I am not sure if there is anything available now.