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iJon
Nov 3, 2002, 09:36 PM
I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. Why haven't Aspyr or MacSoft or any company try to make a port of Grand Theft Auto 3 and Vice City. I think these would sell very much. I know I would buy them instantly. I dont know if any of you have played GTA3 on the computer yet but it is so much better than PS2. They had to knock down the graphics way down for the ps2. Just wanted to post a thread like this because my friend and i were talking about how cool it would be if it did come to mac.

iJon

ArtMan617
Nov 4, 2002, 06:17 AM
I'm sure they would sell, but with Sony's deal to keep the GTA series exclusive to the PS2 for at least another year (I forget when it was until), I don't think even Vice City is coming to the PC (if it does, it won't be for a loonnngg time) as Rockstar stated that they don't currently have any plans for a PC version...personally, if you don't have a PS2 already and are an avid gamer (console or otherwise) I would highly recommend picking one up...BestBuy.com (http://www.bestbuy.com) has Vice City for $40 right now as a special deal and you could find a used PS2 for somewhere between $150 and $180 depending on the condition...

-ArtMan617

FattyMembrane
Nov 4, 2002, 01:04 PM
about the only thing that would make me buy a new machine right now is if GTA3 was released for the mac. i'm assuming that the porting houses don't see it as worth the time and effort, but it's their loss.

job
Nov 4, 2002, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by ArtMan617
I'm sure they would sell, but with Sony's deal to keep the GTA series exclusive to the PS2 for at least another year (I forget when it was until), I don't think even Vice City is coming to the PC (if it does, it won't be for a loonnngg time) as Rockstar stated that they don't currently have any plans for a PC version

Ehm...GTA3 is out for the PC.

So I fail to see how Sony has a deal to keep the GTA series as a PS exclusive.

drastik
Nov 4, 2002, 04:25 PM
The Sony Deal is new, only for Vice City and the legendary GTA 4 (can you say networked gang warfare?) My guess is, the deal is mainly a push to sell PS2 for christmass, it is the biggest game season right now, and a killer game like Vice City is just the way to convert heads. The deal is also a secondary middle finger to Microsoft, a clear message from a top game maker to get out of the console business.

Of course, Xbox blows anyway, even if SOny made it, but that's another thread.

I fully encourage everyone of age to buy Vice City, its ten times as good as GTA3, and GTA4 should be fantastic.;)

ArtMan617
Nov 4, 2002, 04:28 PM
As far as I know, GTA3 was being coded for PC before the deal was struck with Sony and Rockstar, so it was an exception...the other exception was to be a GBA version of GTA3, which I believe was cancelled (go figure). Anywho, I'd love to see a version of Vice City for the PC (although I probably wouldn't buy it already having the PS2 version), but I don't think it'll happen for awhile...

-ArtMan617

UPDATE: Sorry about the re-iteration of what was said in the post above mine...I was tying it when it was being posted, so I wasn't aware of it...

me hate windows
Nov 4, 2002, 04:58 PM
I emailed Aspyr and they wanted to port GTA3, but Rockstar had no interest in making it available for the Mac:mad:

MisterBlack
Nov 4, 2002, 05:06 PM
I would buy GTA3 for mac if i could. I'm getting a PC so i can play that and Tribes/Tribes2. This is unfortunately still, in my opinion, Apple's weakest point. Maybe if more game developers made mac games, macs might get speedbumps as big and as often as their pc counterparts.

Just wishing..

At least we still have ID.

MacBandit
Nov 5, 2002, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by MisterBlack
I would buy GTA3 for mac if i could. I'm getting a PC so i can play that and Tribes/Tribes2. This is unfortunately still, in my opinion, Apple's weakest point. Maybe if more game developers made mac games, macs might get speedbumps as big and as often as their pc counterparts.

Just wishing..

At least we still have ID.

If you are dissapointed in gaming for the Mac buy a PS2 or other game console. PCs and Macs can not compete with the quantity of games out for the console. As soon as they get network gaming up full swing for consoles PC gaming will die.

drastik
Nov 5, 2002, 10:35 AM
Definite on the near death of PC games. Untill you can give me a montior as big and crisp as my 40 in flatscreen Wega, I'll go back to computer gaming, but real 5.1 on good speakers and a game screen that is four times the size, I'll stick to consoles.

Lets be honest, most PC games are slow and boring, the keyboard/mouse set up is not good for fast paced games, and the USb controllers are cheap knock-offs of the console systems

MacBandit
Nov 5, 2002, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by drastik
Definite on the near death of PC games. Untill you can give me a montior as big and crisp as my 40 in flatscreen Wega, I'll go back to computer gaming, but real 5.1 on good speakers and a game screen that is four times the size, I'll stick to consoles.

Lets be honest, most PC games are slow and boring, the keyboard/mouse set up is not good for fast paced games, and the USb controllers are cheap knock-offs of the console systems

Well High Def games are right around the corner. I don't buy the controller gripe though. I personally find the keyboard and mouse to be much better in FPS and am thinking about doing this set up with the PS2. It is nice to have my games piped through my THX sound system though. I play my games on my 32" Wega it makes a nice gaming monitor. Wish I had the space for a 40".

MisterBlack
Nov 5, 2002, 11:51 AM
Hello?

TRIBES.

There is nothing that can even compete with tribes. No consoles come close, not on any tv.

iJon
Nov 5, 2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by drastik
Definite on the near death of PC games. Untill you can give me a montior as big and crisp as my 40 in flatscreen Wega, I'll go back to computer gaming, but real 5.1 on good speakers and a game screen that is four times the size, I'll stick to consoles.

Lets be honest, most PC games are slow and boring, the keyboard/mouse set up is not good for fast paced games, and the USb controllers are cheap knock-offs of the console systems
What the hell are you talking about. Do you understand how much crappier graphics are on a console. Games on a pc are only slow if you have a half ass computer. I would choose my pc for games over a console. Plus you can easily hook up a computer to a tv. I think alot of people may feel this way because they try to play games on their mac and games on macs suck completly. I love my mac to death but when it comes to games you cant beat a pc. Get a high end pc, geforce 4 or 9700, audigy 2 and some 6.1 surround speakers and you have yourself a killer machine which is way better than a console. the only reason i like my console is for the games that come for it and not on the pc.

iJon

job
Nov 5, 2002, 04:42 PM
I'd much rather play Quake with a keyboard and mouse than a crappy PS2 controller.

MisterBlack
Nov 5, 2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by iJon

What the hell are you talking about. Do you understand how much crappier graphics are on a console. Games on a pc are only slow if you have a half ass computer.

Yes.

Also, consoles have no command line.

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by MisterBlack


Yes.

Also, consoles have no command line.


Wrong. PS2 even has linux.

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by hitman
I'd much rather play Quake with a keyboard and mouse than a crappy PS2 controller.


I agree that is one of the few games I do not play on the PS2. Overall though I play way more games on the PS2 then I do on any computer. Why? There's just a lot more good games available for the PS2 or any console. Also at $200 for a console or $2000+ for a good PC gaming machine I choose the console.

To people who say plain and simply that games on Macs suck completely you need to just get you head out of your ass.

job
Nov 6, 2002, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit
Also at $200 for a console or $2000+ for a good PC gaming machine I choose the console.

True, but you do get what you pay for.

On a 2 grand PC you can mod games.
You can make your own maps/figures/etc.

I have yet to see one mod that has been developed entirely on a console.

Look at games like Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and tell me one game on any console that compares.

Yes, a console may be cheaper, but in terms of development and modding, the console just plain sucks.

But then again, the console platform was never developed with anything but gaming in mind.

And besides, for $2000, you'll have the fastest PC in the county....for a few weeks... ;)

Tom Magnum
Nov 6, 2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by hitman


True, but you do get what you pay for.

On a 2 grand PC you can mod games.
You can make your own maps/figures/etc.

I have yet to see one mod that has been developed entirely on a console.

Look at games like Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and tell me one game on any console that compares.

Yes, a console may be cheaper, but in terms of development and modding, the console just plain sucks.

But then again, the console platform was never developed with anything but gaming in mind.

And besides, for $2000, you'll have the fastest PC in the county....for a few weeks... ;)



Has anyone seen Final Fantasy X? That game is absolutely beautiful.:)

springscansing
Nov 6, 2002, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane
about the only thing that would make me buy a new machine right now is if GTA3 was released for the mac. i'm assuming that the porting houses don't see it as worth the time and effort, but it's their loss.

That's sad reason to buy a machine.. plus they can't legal port it genius.

iJon
Nov 6, 2002, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit



I agree that is one of the few games I do not play on the PS2. Overall though I play way more games on the PS2 then I do on any computer. Why? There's just a lot more good games available for the PS2 or any console. Also at $200 for a console or $2000+ for a good PC gaming machine I choose the console.

To people who say plain and simply that games on Macs suck completely you need to just get you head out of your ass.

I love my mac to death but games is not what these machines are meant for. Mac is my favorite computer, i mean come on my parents own an apple store i will take it over soon. but pcs are just better for games. same reason why i dont do my photoshop and video editing on my pc, they arent good at it. sure my pc can do it but why when i have a powermac right next to me. if you look at the new mac addict they talk about the latest and greatest games are out for mac but that is just a few. You jsut have such a vast selection of games for the pc. the only games that are good for the mac are the ones that are designed to run on it, not the ported ones. like warcraft 3 runs like a champ on my dual ghz, but medal of honor allied assult looks like crap. you jsut have to admit with 6.1 surround sound and speakers and games designed for it you jsut cant beat it. same reason a dual g4 with altivec can beat a amd or intel in photoshop. but im tired of the arguement. these are all jsut my opinions. from a point of view like me who is very experienced with macs and pcs and is around and using all the latest and greatest i fell pcs hold the edge in games by a long shot. btu nothing will ever take me away from my mac.

iJon

FattyMembrane
Nov 6, 2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by springscansing
That's sad reason to buy a machine.. plus they can't legal port it genius.
what? companies can't just port copyrighted games because they feel like it? i had no idea how the laws worked. thanks for the info, genius. :D
Origionally posted by MacBandit
To people who say plain and simply that games on Macs suck completely you need to just get you head out of your ass.
games made specifically for the mac are quite good, the problem arises from the fact that most top sellers come out for pc only and are then ported to the mac about 2-3 years later (luckily the time seems to be dropping), but even then the ports run like crap because they are poorly translated (the new release of incoming is about 4 years old and requires a radeon or geforce to run decently!). NOLF2 has been out for a while on pc and costs $15 less than what NOLF1 will cost when it eventually comes to mac, Everquest should be here in a few months, Unreal 2 by 2016, etc. the problem is with the gamehouses, not the computer, but you can't blame them for doing what's economically viable.

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by hitman


True, but you do get what you pay for.

On a 2 grand PC you can mod games.
You can make your own maps/figures/etc.

I have yet to see one mod that has been developed entirely on a console.

Look at games like Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and tell me one game on any console that compares.

Yes, a console may be cheaper, but in terms of development and modding, the console just plain sucks.

But then again, the console platform was never developed with anything but gaming in mind.

And besides, for $2000, you'll have the fastest PC in the county....for a few weeks... ;)

Timesplitters lets you build your own maps. Also the PS2 is pretty close to becoming fully modable. That's because Sony has released Linux for PS2 add in the hard drive and the network card and you have a computer.

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by iJon


I love my mac to death but games is not what these machines are meant for. Mac is my favorite computer, i mean come on my parents own an apple store i will take it over soon. but pcs are just better for games. same reason why i dont do my photoshop and video editing on my pc, they arent good at it. sure my pc can do it but why when i have a powermac right next to me. if you look at the new mac addict they talk about the latest and greatest games are out for mac but that is just a few. You jsut have such a vast selection of games for the pc. the only games that are good for the mac are the ones that are designed to run on it, not the ported ones. like warcraft 3 runs like a champ on my dual ghz, but medal of honor allied assult looks like crap. you jsut have to admit with 6.1 surround sound and speakers and games designed for it you jsut cant beat it. same reason a dual g4 with altivec cant beat a amd or intel in photoshop. but im tired of the arguement. these are all jsut my opinions. from a point of view like me who is very experienced with macs and pcs and is around and using all the latest and greatest i fell pcs hold the edge in games by a long shot. btu nothing will ever take me away from my mac.

iJon

Once again all I have to say is PS2 $200 dolby digital out and way more GOOD games then you can shake a stick at.

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane

what? companies can't just port copyrighted games because they feel like it? i had no idea how the laws worked. thanks for the info, genius. :D

games made specifically for the mac are quite good, the problem arises from the fact that most top sellers come out for pc only and are then ported to the mac about 2-3 years later (luckily the time seems to be dropping), but even then the ports run like crap because they are poorly translated (the new release of incoming is about 4 years old and requires a radeon or geforce to run decently!). NOLF2 has been out for a while on pc and costs $15 less than what NOLF1 will cost when it eventually comes to mac, Everquest should be here in a few months, Unreal 2 by 2016, etc. the problem is with the gamehouses, not the computer, but you can't blame them for doing what's economically viable.

Unreal 2003 for the Mac is being developed in house and will be out by December. I'm not saying that there isn't a real lack of good games on the Mac. I'm just saying you can't use a blanket statement like. Macs suck at games. It's not that they suck at games it's that a lot of games are poorly developed. It's not the computer it's the software.

iJon
Nov 6, 2002, 07:20 PM
Everyone is exactly right. But PC's will always rival consoles with games because of new technology and expandability. The pc you can go upgrade to a better processor and graphics card and make those games run great, or if new technology comes out you can incorporate that. but with a xbox or ps2 you cant throw a new video card or whatever you want. but for 200 dollars and games like mgs 2, gta vice city, socom, and the many others is what makes the ps2 great. im just saying in graphics and things like that the ps2 does not rival. but i will admit there is nothign more fun then sitting on the couch and playing some football with a friend on a big screen on a 200 dollar system. these are the reasons i own a pc and ps2.

iJon

MacBandit
Nov 6, 2002, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by iJon
Everyone is exactly right. But PC's will always rival consoles with games because of new technology and expandability. The pc you can go upgrade to a better processor and graphics card and make those games run great, or if new technology comes out you can incorporate that. but with a xbox or ps2 you cant throw a new video card or whatever you want. but for 200 dollars and games like mgs 2, gta vice city, socom, and the many others is what makes the ps2 great. im just saying in graphics and things like that the ps2 does not rival. but i will admit there is nothign more fun then sitting on the couch and playing some football with a friend on a big screen on a 200 dollar system. these are the reasons i own a pc and ps2.

iJon

My original point was the average user will always by the PS2 before he buys a gaming PC. It's just much more cost effective then spending up to $200 on as system that will really perform as well or better then the PS2 or whatever comes in the future. The upgrade thing really is a non issue with a gamine console. A new graphics card for a computer will cost you $300-$400 for the latest high end. A new game console when they come out will cost you $300 for a completely new system.

MisterBlack
Nov 7, 2002, 08:09 PM
I Don't Know.

Yes!

No!

Yes!

No!

Yes!

No and Yes!

No! No! No!

job
Nov 7, 2002, 08:15 PM
Errrr...

Alright then....

iJed
Nov 7, 2002, 09:12 PM
Here is a link to a preview of GTA Vice City for PC:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php?id=82203

The deal is only exclusive to consoles. It does not include PCs since the PC gaming market is not a threat anymore.

I wish GTA VC could be brought to the Mac as its simply one of the best games I've ever played. I got it for the PS2 today (its realease day in the UK) and I've been playing it practically non-stop.

TrenchMouth
Nov 21, 2002, 03:39 PM
The problem isnt that the mac sucks at games or that developers dont pay enough attention to it, its really just that there is no reason for many developers to go out of their way to bring you a product when they could make more money doing the same elsewhere. The mac can play games very well. I enjoy playing games on my mac, and all things considered, games like UT and Black & White need systems like a mac or a pc to really be as good as they can be. However, and this is the kicker, the majority of people would rather sit in front of a tv and play a console game. Why pay $1500 for a new iBook and get to play games like B&W, UT, STF and the like when you can throw down less than $200 for a console and get games like Resident Evil, Madden 2003 which for the most part look better than anything done in the computer game world. It works the same way with DVD players. Why would anyone buy one if they had one in their computer? I have one in my computer, and i have the video out so that i can hook it up to my TV. Yet there is still something about having a specialized divice that does only that one thing that still attracts people.

Will this change? I am sure. But not for a while. I would have to spend $2000 every two years to stay on top of the best gaming gear in the computer world, not including the cost of games. Or i can go and get a $200 console that will last for at least 3 years and rent or buy whatever i like.

When it comes down to why the Mac itself doesnt have enough great titles...well just remember where Mac users were 3 years ago...and imagine where we will be 3 years from now. Its getting better.