isub no more with tiger

[Macmadant]

does anyone else have a problem with there isub since upgrading to tiger it works until u adjust the computer volume then when you open the sound system preference it works untill u adjust the volume again

[Plymouthbreezer]

Nope, everything's alright here. :confused:

[Macmadant]

Nope, everything's alright here. :confused:

i searched on google loads of people have had troule so it's not just me :confused:

[TexasMac]

I haven't had any problems with mine. Sorry you are having trouble.

[Macmadant]

I haven't had any problems with mine. Sorry you are having trouble.
loads of people have i wonder if it's my isub but i tried it on my ibook and it works fine :confused:

[Plymouthbreezer]

i searched on google loads of people have had troule so it's not just me :confused:
Yeah... I was just saying mine is working. ;)

[TexasMac]

I did have a problem with my speakers when I upgraded to Tiger. During the install my sound settings got changed to play all sounds through the built in speaker on my iMac. Once I changed it back to the Soundsticks/iSub everything worked fine.

[Rod Rod]

The subwoofer that is in the Soundsticks speaker set is not an iSub. It looks like an iSub and many, many people refer to it as an iSub (as in all those eBay listings that say "Soundsticks with iSub") but it is not an iSub.

The iSub is a standalone product designed (primarily) to be used in tandem with the iMac (G3)'s built-in harman/kardon speakers, and of course Apple Pro Speakers (which also have harman/kardon internals).

The iSub trouble the original poster is talking about has nothing to do with Soundsticks.

I have an iSub but I haven't used Tiger very much yet. One nice thing about Tiger is that when you change the iSub's volume there's auditory feedback.

[TexasMac]

The subwoofer that is in the Soundsticks speaker set is not an iSub. It looks like an iSub and many, many people refer to it as an iSub (as in all those eBay listings that say "Soundsticks with iSub") but it is not an iSub.

The iSub is a standalone product designed (primarily) to be used in tandem with the iMac (G3)'s built-in harman/kardon speakers, and of course Apple Pro Speakers (which also have harman/kardon internals).

The iSub trouble the original poster is talking about has nothing to do with Soundsticks.

I have an iSub but I haven't used Tiger very much yet. One nice thing about Tiger is that when you change the iSub's volume there's auditory feedback.

Point taken. It certainly looks like an iSub. :o

[Macmadant]

The subwoofer that is in the Soundsticks speaker set is not an iSub. It looks like an iSub and many, many people refer to it as an iSub (as in all those eBay listings that say "Soundsticks with iSub") but it is not an iSub.

The iSub is a standalone product designed (primarily) to be used in tandem with the iMac (G3)'s built-in harman/kardon speakers, and of course Apple Pro Speakers (which also have harman/kardon internals).

The iSub trouble the original poster is talking about has nothing to do with Soundsticks.

I have an iSub but I haven't used Tiger very much yet. One nice thing about Tiger is that when you change the iSub's volume there's auditory feedback.
Yeah it is an isub. i use my apple pro speakers with it, it still works but not in tiger i don't know why i've even wrote to a mac magazine help desk but what he said didn't work, maybe this will be sorted out eventually but i love my isub and would be gutted if i have to get rid of it.

Ps does anyone know how to contact apple with this problem

[michaelrjohnson]

The subwoofer that is in the Soundsticks speaker set is not an iSub. It looks like an iSub and many, many people refer to it as an iSub (as in all those eBay listings that say "Soundsticks with iSub") but it is not an iSub.

The iSub is a standalone product designed (primarily) to be used in tandem with the iMac (G3)'s built-in harman/kardon speakers, and of course Apple Pro Speakers (which also have harman/kardon internals).

You are correct in saying that Soundsticks (or Soundsticks II) are a separate product from the iSub which is no longer made. However, the subwoofer included with Soundsticks and the iSub have identical specifications.

iSub

(1) 6 - inch woofer
20 Wrms
9.15" (232 mm) diam. x 10.16" (258 mm)
4.93 pounds = 2.24 kg

Soundsticks Subwoofer

(1) 6 - inch woofer
20 Wrms
9.15" (232 mm) diam. x 10.16" (258 mm)
4.93 pounds = 2.24 kg


Is it incorrect to call the subwoofer that is part of the Soundsticks system an iSub? Yes. However...

[michaelrjohnson]

does anyone else have a problem with there isub since upgrading to tiger it works until u adjust the computer volume then when you open the sound system preference it works untill u adjust the volume again
Could you perhaps clarify the issue you are having? (perhaps with punctuation?)

I have an iSub, and I have noticed a quirk with Tiger. For me, sometimes the iSub volume is much higher than calibrated in the System Prefs immediately after reconnecting it (it gets unplugged/plugged-in often as I use a PowerBook). The problem is resolved instantly if I adjust the system volume from my PB keyboard. However, this doesn't really bother me, as it doesn't happen every time.

[Macmadant]

Could you perhaps clarify the issue you are having? (perhaps with punctuation?)

I have an iSub, and I have noticed a quirk with Tiger. For me, sometimes the iSub volume is much higher than calibrated in the System Prefs immediately after reconnecting it (it gets unplugged/plugged-in often as I use a PowerBook). The problem is resolved instantly if I adjust the system volume from my PB keyboard. However, this doesn't really bother me, as it doesn't happen every time.

Hello, the problem i have with my isub is, as follows, evry time i adjust my computer volume the isub emits a very low, if nothing bass this is resolved by unplugging/plugged in. however it happens all the time which is irritating

[fonkymaster]

Yes all, the problem does exist, same things occur on my iMac G4 1Ghz 17" with iSub.

[eXan]

My iSub works better with Tiger than it worked with Jag/Panther. I no longer have to reconnect it to make it work after sleep.

[mr freeo]

My iSub works better with Tiger than it worked with Jag/Panther. I no longer have to reconnect it to make it work after sleep.

I am currently running Panther & my isub (in conjunction with apple pro speakers) works absolutely perfectly, before installing Tiger I figured it would be wise to test my isub on another Mac that was running Tiger & sure enough the problems originally posted by Macmadant were evident.
I am now holding off installing Tiger until I hear of a Fix! ;)

[Rod Rod]

Hello, the problem i have with my isub is, as follows, evry time i adjust my computer volume the isub emits a very low, if nothing bass this is resolved by unplugging/plugged in. however it happens all the time which is irritatingIf I understand you correctly, you're hearing auditory feedback from the iSub, which wasn't there before Tiger. It's a feature, not a problem.

[yenko]

does anyone else have a problem with there isub since upgrading to tiger it works until u adjust the computer volume then when you open the sound system preference it works untill u adjust the volume again
Go to System Preferences>Sound. Click on the Output Tab and adjust the slider to the center. Also make sure the "Mute" button is not checked.

Hope that's the problem.....sure would be an easy solution.:)

[Bear]

You are correct in saying that Soundsticks (or Soundsticks II) are a separate product from the iSub which is no longer made. However, the subwoofer included with Soundsticks and the iSub have identical specifications.
....
Is it incorrect to call the subwoofer that is part of the Soundsticks system an iSub? Yes. However...Actually since I own a set of [USB] Soundsticks and an iSub there are some differences that I can see.
What they show up as on the computer. The [USB] Soundsticks just say "Soundsticks" no reference to the bundled subwoofer. The subwoofer that is part of the Soundsticks have connectors for the 2 "sticks". The Soundsticks subwoofer has its volume controlled from the sub. The iSub has its volume software controlled. The power light is blue for the Soundsticks and green for the iSub. The powerbricks are different.

And of course when someone asks for help with an iSub and actually means the subwoofer part of the Soundsticks they will get incorrect advice since there are the differences in how they are controlled and connected. Especially since the Soundsticks 2.0 are not USB.

[mr freeo]

If I understand you correctly, you're hearing auditory feedback from the iSub, which wasn't there before Tiger. It's a feature, not a problem.

I did notice the feedback & if its a feature its a cool one, the problem is if you adjust the volume via the keyboard the isub drops out & only after you open the sound panel in system preferences & adjust the isub volume slider that it cuts back in, completely annoying & it seems a lot of people are having the same problem. :mad:

[Rod Rod]

I did notice the feedback & if its a feature its a cool one, the problem is if you adjust the volume via the keyboard the isub drops out & only after you open the sound panel in system preferences & adjust the isub volume slider that it cuts back in, completely annoying & it seems a lot of people are having the same problem. :mad:I agree, that is annoying. Sounds like another 10.4.2 problem. I haven't had my iSub connected in a while, but on 10.4 and 10.4.1 I don't remember having that problem. Hopefully this is one of the hundreds of things being sorted out for 10.4.3.

[Macmadant]

yes it is extremely annoying :mad:

[Aliquis]

It never ceases to amaze me at the vast knowledge this group collectively posseses.

[Bunky]

I just got one of the original iSubs today and hooked it up to my G5 iMac running 10.4.3. Sure enough, it has the symptoms that were originally posted. When I change volume via the keyboard it increases the iSub volume to 50% regardless of the system volume. Changing the iSub's volume to 25% via the System Preferences makes it all good again.

Anyone looked into using an AppleScript to change volume settings? I'll try some stuff and get back to this forum.

... oh, wait, while playing around right now the cursor started to move on its own and the balance began changing every time I hit a volume key. I'm leaning towards this being a USB driver problem with Tiger... that's not good.

joe

[Bunky]

As I said I'm using an iSub on a G5 iMac with OS X 10.4.3. The only reliable way I've found to change the computer's volume AND have the iSub's volume change appropriately is to use the "Output volume" slider in the Sound pane of the System Preferences. If you change the volume any other way (by menu bar, applescript, keyboard, widget, etc) it automatically sets the iSub's volume to 50%. Simply opening the Sound preference pane after doing this puts the iSub volume back to where it should be (about 22% on my iMac).

Therefore I've put together two quick and dirty Applescripts to facilitate changing volume. The first simply opens and closes the Sound preference pane quickly and painlessly, thus setting the iSub properly after you do a volume change on the keyboard.

The other script opens the Sound preference pane allowing you to manually set the volume with the slider after which you can manually close the Sound pane (command-q or command-w work just fine for that).

I've posted the files on my website for easy download.

http://joe.silvan.us/OpenCloseSound.zip (http://joe.silvan.us/misc/OpenCloseSound.zip)
http://joe.silvan.us/OpenSound.zip (http://joe.silvan.us/misc/OpenSound.zip)

[Bunky]

Since my iSub only gives me trouble when I change the main volume on my G5 iMac (see previous posts) I've decided to set the computer volume to maximum and actually start using the volume controls in all of the programs (I never used to do that). Here's my solutions:

iTunes: use SizzlingKeys to change iTunes volume from the keyboard
QuickTime/VLC: use the sliders, no problem
Eudora (or any program that has periodic alerts): install Detour to specify volumes for individual applications
System Beeps: use the Sound preference pane to set this as you want it

Other than the odd game I can't think of anything else that really uses sound so this looks like it's going to work.

[59031]

does anyone else have a problem with there isub since upgrading to tiger it works until u adjust the computer volume then when you open the sound system preference it works untill u adjust the volume again

This is a known issue with Tiger and the iSub, I have it too, and it is has been all over the Apple forums. Some people say "no I don't have the problem" but I doubt it. They probably just don't realize they have the problem.

[Macmadant]

Thanks bunky, though apple should fix this problem as you can't launch your apple scripts when playing a game or when using Frontrow on my "imac G5":confused:

[mr freeo]

well gang, are we all that surprised that there is still NO fix for the isub volume control bug with the latest TIGER update (10.4.4).
You would think it would be a fairly simple thing to fix espcially as it's been all over the Apple forums.
I guess we wait for the next update!!:mad:

[Rod Rod]

This is a known issue with Tiger and the iSub, I have it too, and it is has been all over the Apple forums. Some people say "no I don't have the problem" but I doubt it. They probably just don't realize they have the problem.
I don't have the problem. I've changed the volume using my keyboard and by using the menu bar slider, and neither action has resulted in the iSub volume being reset to 50%, as others are reporting here. I'm currently running 10.4.4 on a dual 1.8 PM G5.

[Macmadant]

well gang, are we all that surprised that there is still NO fix for the isub volume control bug with the latest TIGER update (10.4.4).
You would think it would be a fairly simple thing to fix espcially as it's been all over the Apple forums.
I guess we wait for the next update!!:mad:

i know this is beyond the joke, i see you finally installed tiger then, i think we should all sign a petition (dunno if thats spelt right) and send it to apple:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Macmadant]

i thinks i know whats wrong today i tried it out on my ibook g4 that has USB 2.0 and it sounds great and works perfect, then i switched it back to my powermac g4 with USB 1.0 and the problem persists, all of you try it out on a mac With USB 2.0 and give your feedback

[anotherjeff]

Just to double check. But I believe the iSub doesn't work correctly if you are running through a USB hub. That could be an additional source of problems.

[heilig]

Just to double check. But I believe the iSub doesn't work correctly if you are running through a USB hub. That could be an additional source of problems.

Correct, most simple usb hubs will not support it. with my old hub, i heard it crackle and sputter. My new one works fine with it though ;)

However, in the four different releases of OS X ($516 later), I have yet to wake my computer up from sleep and have the iSub working. The funny thing is system preferences detects it and I tried changing the volume on the iSub through sys. pref's to see if it would start working, but alas no solution yet, other than to unplug it from usb and plug it back in. Note that I have tried all solutions I could think of with the iSub plugged directly into the computer usb, and plugged into the usb hub.

It'd be nice if I knew how to write a script to redetect the usb drivers every time it woke from sleep.

[Rod Rod]

Correct, most simple usb hubs will not support it. with my old hub, i heard it crackle and sputter. My new one works fine with it though ;)

However, in the four different releases of OS X ($516 later), I have yet to wake my computer up from sleep and have the iSub working. The funny thing is system preferences detects it and I tried changing the volume on the iSub through sys. pref's to see if it would start working, but alas no solution yet, other than to unplug it from usb and plug it back in. Note that I have tried all solutions I could think of with the iSub plugged directly into the computer usb, and plugged into the usb hub.

It'd be nice if I knew how to write a script to redetect the usb drivers every time it woke from sleep.
My iSub works fine after waking from sleep, with no unplugging and replugging and no opening the System Preferences - Sound preference pane.

Incidentally I have it plugged into the Griffin Technology USB Hub for Audio Devices, which apparently they don't make any longer. My Mac has USB 2.0 but the hub itself is USB 1.1.

[mr freeo]

G'Day again fellow isub users,
Another update & still no fix, to be honest I've almost given up hope on apple fixing this bug & I have to admit I've gotten use to opening "system preferences" to control the isub volume.
What apple don't understand is that the isub is not something you just "put out to pasture" because its now 5 years old, its such a cool looking sub & sounds fantastic, its a piece of hardware you wanna keep using.

[corywoolf]

I've got one for sale. Asking $60 shipped for it. Check the "Feeler 15" iMac G4 " thread in the marketplace.

Could sell you the pro speakers with it for $20 more!

[Macmadant]

does 10.4.6 fix this, i mean this is getting rediculas(that isn't spelt right is it)

[mr freeo]

OS X 4.6 update still has no isub bug fix, downloaded it, installed it, tested the keyboard volume & as I suspected, it cut out!

[Macmadant]

OS X 4.6 update still has no isub bug fix, downloaded it, installed it, tested the keyboard volume & as I suspected, it cut out!
damn:mad:

[Duffman]

Well, I just sort of stumbled across this thread while trying to figure out how to set a few things for the isub I just picked up. I got it used in immaculate condition, Ive got it plugged into my Dual 1.7 Cube with Tiger 10.4.6, and indeed this is a ridiculous problem that most certainly does exist.

Love the sound, but hate, hate, hate this glitch. I was originally trying to figure out how to get the sub to equalize volume levels with the rest of my speakers and not do that thing where it splits the signals off making tweeters out of woofers, and then realized that this was in fact the root of all my problems.

This is not broken. In fact this is worse than broken. It works, but its so annoying that you wish that it didnt work at all so that you could legitimately complain that you cant use isub at all. You can, but life in the sys prefs window just...sucks.

What makes it deceptive is that the volume level itself doesnt move--rather it stays where you put it, just the actual volume goes down without any notice.

I see that this thread is now nearly half a year and 5 updates old, do I even bother holding out hope that someone will fix this bastardized little sub?

[spiralfive]

I'm considering purchasing an iSub for my iMac G5 off eBay, but have seen that basically everyone is having this problem. :mad:

But, browsing throught the Apple forums reveals a unique fix: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1553592�

Could someone who is having this problem please install PTHVolume and see if it works, and report back if it does? I would really appreciate it.

[baleensavage]

I have an iSub using Tiger (10.4.6) on my Grape iMac, and it works fine if I simply open the sound system preference panel when I start playing music. I dont have to change anything, just opening it kicks the sound in. I still use it because I have it, but I wouldn't recommend an iSub to anyone now. There are plenty of other, better affordable speaker sets with subwoofers. The iSub was great in it's day, but is not that great now.

[spiralfive]

Yeah, but it's so cool. :) No speakers on your desktop, just use the internal iMac speakers and the iSub, neatly underneath you desk. Plus, it matches the iMac.

I was also considering the Logitech z-4i's, but really wanted the iSub.

[Macmadant]

Anyone know does 10.4.7 fix this bug, and i don't want to keep using work arounds apple should fix this:mad:

[mr freeo]

No 10.4.7 does NOT fix this bug & I am not expecting it to be ever fixed. I have been using one of the Applescripts kindly posted by "Bunky" earlier on in this thread titled "Quick fix". This script simply opens the Sound preference pane allowing you to manually set the volume with the slider. It can be downloaded from this link: http://joe.silvan.us/misc/OpenSound.zip

To make it a more permanent feature & for pure cosmetic purposes I have given it an icon & placed it in the Dock.

[Macmadant]

No 10.4.7 does NOT fix this bug & I am not expecting it to be ever fixed. I have been using one of the Applescripts kindly posted by "Bunky" earlier on in this thread titled "Quick fix". This script simply opens the Sound preference pane allowing you to manually set the volume with the slider. It can be downloaded from this link: http://joe.silvan.us/misc/OpenSound.zip

To make it a more permanent feature & for pure cosmetic purposes I have given it an icon & placed it in the Dock.

Right thats it, i'm going all the way to the top, i'm sending steve jobs an email asking why my isub isn't working:mad: i'll let you know if i get a reply

[Daedalus256]

Right thats it, i'm going all the way to the top, i'm sending steve jobs an email asking why my isub isn't working:mad: i'll let you know if i get a reply

Good luck with that.

[Macmadant]

Good luck with that.

lol :rolleyes:

[Macmadant]

Well good news folks, after waiting 2 weeks i resent my email, saying i didn't appreciate being ignored yesterday, now i checked my email and i have had an email from the man himself steve jobs. he told me apple were looking into the issue, so there you go the next update may well fix the isub, god i'm going to cherish that email forever.:rolleyes:

[Macmadant]

Today i booted into OS9 and my isub sounded beautiful, even better than it did with panther, and it went even loader than mac OSX, the volume was at half way in OS9 and it was loader than OSX's maximum volume, so those of you can boot into OS9 and listen to the beauty of it, the bass is loader, i just can't explain you have to do it ;)

[mr freeo]

Well good news folks, after waiting 2 weeks i resent my email, saying i didn't appreciate being ignored yesterday, now i checked my email and i have had an email from the man himself steve jobs. he told me apple were looking into the issue, so there you go the next update may well fix the isub, god i'm going to cherish that email forever.:rolleyes:

do you really think it was the man himself emailing you?....either way we will see what happens at the next OS update, lets keep hoping isub owners:confused:

[Macmadant]

do you really think it was the man himself emailing you?....either way we will see what happens at the next OS update, lets keep hoping isub owners:confused:

Yeah it was short and sweet to the point, just like him and he signed it himself.
i direct you to this link http://www.tuaw.com/2006/08/04/steve-cares-about-you-he-really-does/

He does genuenly care about us mac users, if it was from one of his assistants, it is signed by them, not steve as i've emailed before about things and had emails from his assistants

[mr freeo]

I see 10.4.8 is about to be released & is said to include maintenance and BUG FIXES!, Could this finally be our isub fix, well I can't say I'm getting too excited but I do live in hope....It should be released any day now.

[Macmadant]

I see 10.4.8 is about to be released & is said to include maintenance and BUG FIXES!, Could this finally be our isub fix, well I can't say I'm getting too excited but I do live in hope....It should be released any day now.
I know I'm pretty sure it will fix the problem as that is what Steve said, if it doesn't boy he will be in trouble

[nagromme]

I've been offered a hand-me-down iSub for use with my first Intel Mac. Sounds like I should turn it down, but I'll cross my fingers for a fix!

[JDN]

I found this: http://macs.about.com/b/a/068636.htm

I dont know if it has been posted under another link, but its worth a shot.

[mr freeo]

I've been offered a hand-me-down iSub for use with my first Intel Mac. Sounds like I should turn it down, but I'll cross my fingers for a fix!
G'Day Nagromme,
I would definately accept the isub hand-me-down, after waiting for every OS X 4 (Tiger) update to be released with the expectation of an isub fix to be included & then dealing with the disappointment, I gotta tell ya, I've now got a gut feeling the next software update will deliver the goods.
Even if you never get it working its a great looking ornament, when my mother visited & first saw my isub she thought it was a varse.

[nagromme]

I'll wait and see... meantime they can store it for me :)

[Macmadant]

G'Day Nagromme,
I would definately accept the isub hand-me-down, after waiting for every OS X 4 (Tiger) update to be released with the expectation of an isub fix to be included & then dealing with the disappointment, I gotta tell ya, I've now got a gut feeling the next software update will deliver the goods.
Even if you never get it working its a great looking ornament, when my mother visited & first saw my isub she thought it was a varse.
Yeah it's very beautiful, and elegant, i pretty sure the update i'm downloading now will fix it (10.4.8) as steve said they were working on it just after 10.4.7 came out, anyway i'll tell you if it's fixed when it's finished

[Macmadant]

Ah for ********************:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: What the ****, I'm so ******, I'm going to get the next flight to Cupertino go to Steve's office and chuck my isub at him, then get in a rage and destroy his office, ohhhhhhhhhh i'm sending him an email now:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[dlanini]

Let me join the club of folks who have the Harmon-Kardon iSub and have been pulling (what's left of) my hair out trying to just make it work at reasonable levels ever since upgrading to Tiger, etc.

So now we know that its NG in 10.4.8, who wants to place bets on it working in 10.5 (Leopard)?

If only I didn't like everything else about these machines so much, or I'd boycott or at least make more noise... sigh.

home:
Quicksilver 2001 867Mhz (upgraded to 1.2Ghz), 1.5GBRam, 750GB disk
Quicksilver 2002 dual 1Ghz, 1.5GBRam, 2TB disk
iMac G4 2002 800Mhz, 1GBram, 80GB disk
PowerBook 2001 TiBook 500Mhz, 1GBRam, 100GB (7200RPM) disk
(drooling over the 17" MacBook Pro yada yada)
work:
G5 (Omega) 2003 1.8Ghz, 2GBRam, 2x80GB disk
antiques:
4 NeXT cubes (25Mhz 64MBRam, 2GB disk)
2 NeXT pizza boxes (33Mhz 32MBRam, 2GB disk)
(is anyone familiar with the NeXT's?)

I've complained to Apple about this like the rest of you, and
to say that I feel slighted is an understatment.
/d

[mr freeo]

Ah for ********************:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: What the ****, I'm so ******, I'm going to get the next flight to Cupertino go to Steve's office and chuck my isub at him, then get in a rage and destroy his office, ohhhhhhhhhh i'm sending him an email now:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
G'Day fellow isub users, yeah I also just downloaded 10.4.8 & surprise surprise, NO fix. Two chances of it being fixed in the release of leopard....."none & Buckley's" (that means NO chance in Aussie slang).......but HOPE is a powerful thing.

[Thunderbird1]

Yes, it took a great deal of trying to figure out how to use my isub with my 24 " imac, but I finally figured it out. No it is not a software fix, but it works by plugging in most any USB 2 speakers. I went to the local RadioShack type store and picked up the least expensive, but nice speakers. You can find them for 20 dollars. Once you plug them into your macintel system, then plug in your isub. Open System preferences and click on output. Find 2 options:
internal speakers or C-Media USB Audio.
Click on C-Media USB Audio and your isub will appear in sound output and will work without a hitch. Well maybe one hitch. You will have to always open this to control the sound properly or set everything to the max or to suit your music taste and control through itunes. You will again hear the thump, thump of the isub. Oh happy Day!
PS - Actally purchased my USB speakers at Dick Smith's, called Dick Smith xear 3D.

[nagromme]

Yes, it took a great deal of trying to figure out how to use my isub with my 24 " imac, but I finally figured it out. No it is not a software fix, but it works by plugging in most any USB 2 speakers.
Thanks--that's the Mac I'd be using an iSub with.

But if you don't get USB speakers, what happens? Can you still get sound out of the iSub if you plug and unplug it? What goes wrong? I can even stand lack of control, maybe, just so long as I can get sound out of it combined with the internal speakers.

[Thunderbird1]

Quote: But if you don't get USB speakers, what happens? Can you still get sound out of the iSub if you plug and unplug it? What goes wrong? I can even stand lack of control, maybe, just so long as I can get sound out of it combined with the internal speakers.

Answer: Nothing happens when you plug in the isub if you don't have USB speakers plugged in at the same time. The isub is only recognized if the USB speakers are plugged in. Kind of strange, but that is the way it works. Even if you plug and unplug it will not work without the USB speakers. Apple did not program the isub into Tiger, but did program in C-Media USB Audio. So since the USB speakers are recognized by Tiger as C-Media USB Audio, Tiger in turn recognizes isub as part of that system and works in Tiger 10.4 OS.
I would not be concerned about getting sound out of the internal speakers and the isub at the same time. The USB/isub, C-Media USB Audio is many times better. Many times the watt output of the internal speakers. Try it, you will like it!:)

[nagromme]

I guess it's an Intel thing? The iSub works fine with my PBG4 and also an iMac G4, both running Tiger. Only it sometimes fails to make sound unless you re-plug it.

(I don't want external speakers--more clutter, more cables--but I might use a subwoofer alone, out of sight. If not, I've got my home stereo anyway.)

[Macmadant]

I guess it's an Intel thing? The iSub works fine with my PBG4 and also an iMac G4, both running Tiger. Only it sometimes fails to make sound unless you re-plug it.

(I don't want external speakers--more clutter, more cables--but I might use a subwoofer alone, out of sight. If not, I've got my home stereo anyway.)
No it's not an intel thing it's an OSX Tiger thing

[Macmadant]

Answer: Nothing happens when you plug in the isub if you don't have USB speakers plugged in at the same time. The isub is only recognized if the USB speakers are plugged in. Kind of strange, but that is the way it works. Even if you plug and unplug it will not work without the USB speakers. Apple did not program the isub into Tiger, but did program in C-Media USB Audio. So since the USB speakers are recognized by Tiger as C-Media USB Audio, Tiger in turn recognizes isub as part of that system and works in Tiger 10.4 OS.

What are you on about ?, the isub will work weather you have USB speakers or no speakers at all, I'm using my iSub with a pair of Apple pro Speakers which are not USB and it works with internal speakers, and it worked fine in Panther, but with tiger it's gone haywire and apple are aware of this, but what the hell their doing about it is anyone guess.
No one listen to this guy, he doesn't know his isub from his iMac

[nagromme]

No it's not an intel thing it's an OSX Tiger thing
OK, I'll have to test some more. I thought it was working in Tiger with my PB.


No one listen to this guy, he doesn't know his isub from his iMac
He WAS talking about Tiger.

[nagromme]

No it's not an intel thing it's an OSX Tiger thing
I've tested more: it definitely IS working in Tiger, complete with volume control in Prefs.

This is on a G4 iMac running 10.4.8 (with Pro Speakers) and on a G4 PowerBook running 10.4.7 (with internal speakers). Both systems have also made use of the iSub on earlier Tiger (and Panther) versions. I haven't even seen any quirks or unreliability on the PowerBook, but it's only been used there occasionally. On the iMac, which has been using the iSub for years, there is some quirkiness, including a tendency (ever since Panther) to get no sound after waking--but re-plugging the USB connector brings it back.

So, bottom line... not perfect in Tiger, but mostly working fine.

HOWEVER, on my Intel iMac (C2D 24" 10.4.8), I get nothing from it, and no controls appear in Prefs.

So it does seem to be an Intel OS X thing, and not an overall Tiger thing.

Regardless, an update would be very welcome! The iMac is where I really want to use it, to complement the internal speakers.

[Macmadant]

I've tested more: it definitely IS working in Tiger, complete with volume control in Prefs.

This is on a G4 iMac running 10.4.8 (with Pro Speakers) and on a G4 PowerBook running 10.4.7 (with internal speakers). Both systems have also made use of the iSub on earlier Tiger (and Panther) versions. I haven't even seen any quirks or unreliability on the PowerBook, but it's only been used there occasionally. On the iMac, which has been using the iSub for years, there is some quirkiness, including a tendency (ever since Panther) to get no sound after waking--but re-plugging the USB connector brings it back.

So, bottom line... not perfect in Tiger, but mostly working fine.

HOWEVER, on my Intel iMac (C2D 24" 10.4.8), I get nothing from it, and no controls appear in Prefs.

So it does seem to be an Intel OS X thing, and not an overall Tiger thing.

Regardless, an update would be very welcome! The iMac is where I really want to use it, to complement the internal speakers.
Of Course it works in tiger, but it doesn't work properly, it doesn't work as it should, thats interesting about the imac, i have a C2D iMac, i'll have to test the isub with it

[TyPod]

Mine works when i move it from my shi**y windows laptop to my moms iBook she gets from her work. And yes, it's running tiger.

[Macmadant]

Mine works when i move it from my shi**y windows laptop to my moms iBook she gets from her work. And yes, it's running tiger.

I thought it worked with my ibook, but the ibook speakers are to quite to tell, and either you can't notice it with the ibook, or your in a very small minority who doesn't have the problem, and there is one because Steve jobs has acknowledged it himself

[nagromme]

Nobody's saying there is no problem, but this thread made me think iSubs don't play on Macs running Tiger, and that's not the case. That severe failure seems to be limited to Intel Macs--which would be interesting to have more people test.

[Poff]

does anyone else have a problem with there isub since upgrading to tiger it works until u adjust the computer volume then when you open the sound system preference it works untill u adjust the volume again

..I had the same problem in 10.2...

[Macmadant]

..I had the same problem in 10.2...

Oh well looks like there is no hope for the forgotten isub, such a pretty thing as-well, maybe i'll just stick some fake flowers in it

[Poff]

Oh well looks like there is no hope for the forgotten isub, such a pretty thing as-well, maybe i'll just stick some fake flowers in it

you could try a re-install? I got rid of it when I found out it had this bug. Never got around to getting one of those Soundsticks II from H/K.

[mr freeo]

G'Day isubbers,
the fact is your isub does still work in TIGER, you just have to open "system preferences", open the sound panel & adjust the isub volume slider & you can hear it cut in, if you adjust the volume via the keyboard the isub drops out, etc etc etc....this is the drama! (not sure if it's the same behaviour on intel macs?). I know this sounds like pain in the butt but at least it works. My concern is whether or not LEOPARD will even recognize it, then we will be definately putting fake flowers in it.

[nagromme]

G'Day isubbers,
the fact is your isub does still work in TIGER, you just have to open "system preferences", open the sound panel & adjust the isub volume slider & you can hear it cut in, if you adjust the volume via the keyboard the isub drops out, etc etc etc....this is the drama! (not sure if it's the same behaviour on intel macs?).
No drama on Intel Macs: my iSub is 100% silent and invisible.

And in Tiger on my PowerBook G4, there's usually no problem that I can detect: keyboard volume does not make the iSub cut out. Not sure why I'm the lucky one! (Maybe PBG4s are immune? I'm using iSub to supplement the internal speakers.)

[mr freeo]

No drama on Intel Macs: my iSub is 100% silent and invisible.

And in Tiger on my PowerBook G4, there's usually no problem that I can detect: keyboard volume does not make the iSub cut out. Not sure why I'm the lucky one! (Maybe PBG4s are immune? I'm using iSub to supplement the internal speakers.)

Mmmmmm......how strange!!! why are you the lucky one?:confused:

[nagromme]

I have an eMac I can test with too--I just have to make time.

[Macmadant]

No drama on Intel Macs: my iSub is 100% silent and invisible.

And in Tiger on my PowerBook G4, there's usually no problem that I can detect: keyboard volume does not make the iSub cut out. Not sure why I'm the lucky one! (Maybe PBG4s are immune? I'm using iSub to supplement the internal speakers.)

It doesn't cut out completely, but the bass drops to a low level, i've tried in on my iBook, but the speakers are to quiet to notice, i think your not noticing it if your using the internal powerbook speakers,

[Mike Burda]

It doesn't cut out completely, but the bass drops to a low level, i've tried in on my iBook, but the speakers are to quiet to notice, i think your not noticing it if your using the internal powerbook speakers,

I am replying to the final post on this thread but I am verifying that my iSub works. It works because I added USB speakers. I am on an Intel/iMac running 10.4.8.

Once I added USB speakers, I went to the preferences. I selected the option USB Audio DAC. Once I selected that. I could select the slider for iSub volume.

I think that with everything involved in the Intel release that this was a low priority. I am hoping that Apple fixes it.

Now I know what I want for Christmas: quality USB speakers, I purchased cheap ones to test it. Glad I kept the receipt.

[mr freeo]

G'Day all
WE all know that ajusting the volume via the keyboard causes the isub to drop out. Here's something I discovered which is only relevant to PPC users, if you adjust the volume with the apple remote whilst playing itunes through apple's FrontRow the isub dont drop out.

OS X 10.4.9
G4 QUICKSILVER PPC 933mhz 768 RAM

:)

[nagromme]

FWIW I just tested again on my C2D iMac with 10.4.9--still nothing. (I tried messing the volume in Front Row with the remote, too.)

PS, I like the graphic-novel style bolding in the above post :)