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MacRumors
Jun 8, 2012, 01:31 PM
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Yesterday, 9to5Mac reported (http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/07/t-mobile-to-show-off-its-iphone-compatible1900mhz-3g-network-at-wwdc-next-week/) that an iPhone user running on T-Mobile's network had observed the curious phenomenon of 3G connectivity showing up on his device when in the immediate vicinity of the Moscone West convention center where Apple is holding its Worldwide Developers Conference next week. The user, who frequently passes by the convention center, had never seen 3G network support there before.

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iPhone users on T-Mobile USA have historically been limited to the carrier's slower EDGE network due to frequency incompatibility, but late last year the carrier began refarming its spectrum (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/19/t-mobile-usa-spectrum-refarming-lets-some-iphone-users-access-3g-data-speeds/) in select areas to move 3G service over to the 1900 MHz frequency band compatible with the iPhone. Just one month ago, T-Mobile announced that it would be taking the initiative nationwide (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/08/t-mobile-usa-to-be-ready-for-iphone-by-end-of-2012-lte-coming-in-2013/), making the carrier ready for the iPhone by the end of 2012.

In response to the observation of 1900 MHz 3G service showing up specifically at Moscone West to beef up service for its users and speculation that Apple could make some sort of announcement about a T-Mobile iPhone at the event, the carrier issued a statement acknowledging the testing but calling its alignment with Apple's WWDC keynote "coincidental".While upgrading coverage inside the West side of the Moscone Center, T-Mobile has also deployed 4G HSPA+ service in the 1900 MHz band to test the live network on a small scale. As part of the company's previously announced $4 billion network modernization effort, T-Mobile plans to launch 4G HSPA+ service in the 1900 MHz band in a large number of markets by the end of the year, which will make our 4G network compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone.

NOTE: The time and location of this test is just coincidental.T-Mobile is the only one of the four major U.S. carriers to not offer the iPhone, due to its current frequency incompatibility, and the carrier has been increasingly disadvantaged as even small regional carriers and prepaid networks have begun rolling out the device to an increasing number of customers.

Article Link: T-Mobile USA Testing iPhone-Compatible 4G HSPA+ Service at Moscone West (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/08/t-mobile-usa-testing-iphone-compatible-4g-hspa-service-at-moscone-west/)



unlimitedx
Jun 8, 2012, 01:34 PM
Tmobile's $30 monthly plan is awesome. Can't wait until the reforming is complete

dagamer34
Jun 8, 2012, 01:34 PM
Someone who is near Moscone West, please run a speedtest. Inquiring minds want to know!

angemon89
Jun 8, 2012, 01:36 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

Kevtech1
Jun 8, 2012, 01:36 PM
TotallyLate-Mobile is finally getting into the game. I think US Cellular might be the last (largely known) US cell provider left. The iPhone may finally be able to compare to Droid FAIRLY!

CrAkD
Jun 8, 2012, 01:40 PM
Pretty sad the hoops Tmobile has jumped thru to get the iPhone. All well begging for it in public and insulting it in ads.

jasonxneo
Jun 8, 2012, 01:40 PM
Great to see more carriers configuring their network to comply with the iPhone :)

Cougarcat
Jun 8, 2012, 01:41 PM
I love how they say that it's "coincidental." Right.

newyorksole
Jun 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

they still have to retain customers with their current line of phones. can't act like they NEED the iPhone to survive.

CorporateFelon
Jun 8, 2012, 01:46 PM
Tmobile's $30 monthly plan is awesome. Can't wait until the reforming is complete


Can you point me where you can find the $30 monthly plan on the site? I swear they make it as hard as possible to find and compare the plans.

mike5411
Jun 8, 2012, 01:49 PM
Can you point me where you can find the $30 monthly plan on the site? I swear they make it as hard as possible to find and compare the plans.

They're probably referring to the prepaid plan that is available on their website and from walmart. Here is a screen shot. Good deal if you can live with the low minutes!

Chief Pilot
Jun 8, 2012, 01:49 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

YES! But they tried to blame AT&T using the iPhone as "the object". Those commercials have existed when AT&T had the only right for selling the iPhone.

I don't know what's the case now. But when I was in the states nearly one year ago, it wasn't that easy to get an iPhone without an AT&T contract...

Cheers

PS: I hope the iPhone gets free for all carriers finally!!!

bozzykid
Jun 8, 2012, 01:52 PM
Verizon knocked the iPhone all the time too. Who cares? I don't think any customers have hurt feelings over it.

Macclone
Jun 8, 2012, 02:02 PM
Come on TMO, take my money!!

I pay 30 a month for 5Gig and mobile hotspot. Sweet deal.

Roessnakhan
Jun 8, 2012, 02:16 PM
They're probably referring to the prepaid plan that is available on their website and from walmart. Here is a screen shot. Good deal if you can live with the low minutes!

Wow, I would love that plan on my carrier. I barely even break 100 minutes a month.

dontwalkhand
Jun 8, 2012, 02:38 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

So we're Verizon's

inkswamp
Jun 8, 2012, 02:40 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

Verizon was doing the same thing prior to the iPhone arriving on their network. How does that matter?

ValerieDurden
Jun 8, 2012, 02:52 PM
I will gladly switch to T-Mobile when they have full 3G coverage.

Noctilux.95
Jun 8, 2012, 03:17 PM
The more, the merrier. I hate the fact AT&T and Verizon have such a stronghold on the industry.

Ryth
Jun 8, 2012, 03:36 PM
Can you point me where you can find the $30 monthly plan on the site? I swear they make it as hard as possible to find and compare the plans.

I have a $30 plan with T-Mobile. I just click the $30 top up button every month when I refill. Got the plan off a brochure in the store when I bought a Samsung phone there for like $29.99.

SeaFox
Jun 8, 2012, 04:09 PM
Great to see more carriers configuring their network to comply with the iPhone :)

You know, that's not really how it's supposed to work. The carriers run the network, it's the device makers who are supposed to design their products to be compatible.

To use your logic, it's like saying Sony should change the PS3 to fix a bug in one specific but highly popular game.

trife
Jun 8, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

Not necessarily anti-iPhone. Just AT&T and their data speeds.

Personally, I'm looking forward to when the refarming is finished. While I'm usually in range of WiFi somewhere, it'd be nice to have the reassurance of faster data speeds should I not be. Using EDGE isn't that bad for how I use my phone, but for some situations it just isn't a viable option.

btcutter
Jun 8, 2012, 05:23 PM
I have a $30 plan with T-Mobile. I just click the $30 top up button every month when I refill. Got the plan off a brochure in the store when I bought a Samsung phone there for like $29.99.

$30 option on T mobile

1. 100 min with unlimited text and web :(
2. 1000 min with unlimited text and 30mb of web. :(

VM $30
300 min with unlimited text and web but GSM locked :mad:

No great options.

davjaxn
Jun 8, 2012, 05:25 PM
you know, that's not really how it's supposed to work. The carriers run the network, it's the device makers who are supposed to design their products to be compatible.

To use your logic, it's like saying sony should change the ps3 to fix a bug in one specific but highly popular game.

whoosh!

Diode
Jun 8, 2012, 05:26 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

So were Verizon's.

Lara F
Jun 8, 2012, 05:34 PM
$30 option on T mobile

1. 100 min with unlimited text and web :(
2. 1000 min with unlimited text and 30mb of web. :(

VM $30
300 min with unlimited text and web but GSM locked :mad:

No great options.

100 minutes might be tight on your sole phone, but there are workarounds such as Skype...or bundling a digital voice home line with Internet and cable TV (if you'd have cable anyway).

twoodcc
Jun 8, 2012, 05:37 PM
the iPhone needs to be available on t-mobile

mp0890
Jun 8, 2012, 05:40 PM
Tmobile's $30 monthly plan is awesome. Can't wait until the reforming is complete

Come on TMO, take my money!!

I pay 30 a month for 5Gig and mobile hotspot. Sweet deal.


I barely break (or sometimes dont) 100 minutes a month, it is because of verizon to verizon calls are not included in allowance, as well as nights and weekends. Can anyone comment as to whether tmobile to tmobile is free with prepaid as well as nights and weekends?

unlimitedx
Jun 8, 2012, 06:57 PM
I barely break (or sometimes dont) 100 minutes a month, it is because of verizon to verizon calls are not included in allowance, as well as nights and weekends. Can anyone comment as to whether tmobile to tmobile is free with prepaid as well as nights and weekends?

No n&w or m2m for those prepaid plans

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$30 option on T mobile

1. 100 min with unlimited text and web :(
2. 1000 min with unlimited text and 30mb of web. :(

VM $30
300 min with unlimited text and web but GSM locked :mad:

No great options.

Has it been confirmed vm will lock gsm?

B777Forevar
Jun 8, 2012, 06:59 PM
$30?

My credit cards are ready for you T-Mobile. I hardly call and I mostly text anyway so I don't care about the low mins.

Noojin
Jun 8, 2012, 07:47 PM
does anyone think this is a hint that tmobile customers will be able to purchase iphone with a 2 year contract? Or that the network is more compatible with tmobile but will need to be purchased at full price?

SeaFox
Jun 8, 2012, 07:52 PM
whoosh!
Whoosh yourself. He meant it exactly as he wrote it.

Terrin
Jun 8, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aren't a big percent of their commercials anti-iPhone? Or am I mistaken?

What do expect when not having the iPhone is the number one reason T-Mobile attributes to subscriber loss?


As far as carriers go, I love T-Mobile. I have two iPhones running on a family plan for less than $80 a month with taxes. I expect when the next iPhone gets announced T-Mobile will be on board. The whole AT&T thing stopped it from happening earlier.

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does anyone think this is a hint that tmobile customers will be able to purchase iphone with a 2 year contract? Or that the network is more compatible with tmobile but will need to be purchased at full price?

I think T-Mobile will give you a choice. Currently on T-Mobile T-Mobile just adds the price of the phone to your regular plan's price. When the phone is paid off, the price of the plan is reduced.

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Can you point me where you can find the $30 monthly plan on the site? I swear they make it as hard as possible to find and compare the plans.

This is a prepaid plan. I'd also check out the value plans. Both can found under where it says shop.

entropys
Jun 8, 2012, 09:31 PM
Ironic, that the same week:

Apple is fined $2.5 million by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission for false advertising the Ipad 3 as '4G' as the DC-HSDPA it maxes out on in Australia is not 'real' 4G (4G must be LTE in Oz); and
T-Mobile are installing in the Moscone Centre for promotional purposes its much slower HSPA+ network claiming it is, in fact, 4G.

blue22
Jun 8, 2012, 09:57 PM
They're probably referring to the prepaid plan that is available on their website and from walmart. Here is a screen shot. Good deal if you can live with the low minutes!

Forget the about the low minutes, good luck with only being able to use 30 Megabytes of monthly data! You'd be bounded to WiFi for 99% of the time you want to actually maximize your iPhone's capabilities.

SeaFox
Jun 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
Forget the about the low minutes, good luck with only being able to use 30 Megabytes of monthly data! You'd be bounded to WiFi for 99% of the time you want to actually maximize your iPhone's capabilities.
Lots of people would actually like the option of buying an iPhone without being forced to buy an expensive monthly data plan when they spend so much of their time around home or free public Wifi networks.

In other words, T-Mobile is offering a service people want. What a concept for a business!

blue22
Jun 8, 2012, 10:07 PM
I will enjoy the day T-Mobile finally offers the iPhone because then it'll force the likes of AT&T and Verizon (and even Sprint somewhat) to offer much more competitive phone plan prices to customers for similar services.

Until then however, I wouldn't get too excited over this bit of "news" as T-Mobile has already said they won't be on board with the iPhone compatible frequencies until the end of the 2012 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1368551) at the earliest.

foodog
Jun 8, 2012, 10:33 PM
Tmobile's $30 monthly plan is awesome. Can't wait until the reforming is complete

It is unfortunately T-mobile coverage in Metro Atl is spotty at best

unlimitedx
Jun 9, 2012, 02:55 AM
It is unfortunately T-mobile coverage in Metro Atl is spotty at best

Is metro att one of the major markets where at&t gave tmobile spectrum for the failed merger? Perhaps coverage has improved

da-vid
Jun 9, 2012, 07:05 AM
Forget the about the low minutes, good luck with only being able to use 30 Megabytes of monthly data! You'd be bounded to WiFi for 99% of the time you want to actually maximize your iPhone's capabilities.

"Low minutes"? T-Mo has two $30 prepaid plans:

- 100 minutes, unlimited SMS, 5 GB of 4G data, unlimited 2G data
- 1500 minutes or messages, 30 MB of data

You either get few minutes or few data, not both.

Anyway, I believe overage fees are 10 cents per minute, which means 100 more minutes for $10. That's reasonable. In fact, I would rather get a low minute allotment and be charged a reasonable amount for going over; this means I won't pay for minutes I don't use.

CyBeRino
Jun 9, 2012, 08:04 AM
You know, that's not really how it's supposed to work. The carriers run the network, it's the device makers who are supposed to design their products to be compatible.


That would hold it T-Mobile operated a 3G network that was compatible with what the rest of the world operates. Which, alas, they don't. They decided to use a frequency that only they use (there isn't a single other network in the world so fas as I know that does 3G on 1700MHz). So it's not worth it for handset manufacturers unless they're being paid specifically for it.

Mr Bigs
Jun 9, 2012, 08:08 AM
Tmobile's $30 monthly plan is awesome. Can't wait until the reforming is complete

They're probably referring to the prepaid plan that is available on their website and from walmart. Here is a screen shot. Good deal if you can live with the low minutes!

Come on TMO, take my money!!

I pay 30 a month for 5Gig and mobile hotspot. Sweet deal.
Good luck thinking your gonna get the 4G iPhone for $30/month on T-Mobile when it comes out.:p

mike5411
Jun 9, 2012, 08:44 AM
Forget the about the low minutes, good luck with only being able to use 30 Megabytes of monthly data! You'd be bounded to WiFi for 99% of the time you want to actually maximize your iPhone's capabilities.

I think you are mixing up the two $30 plans. (Yes T-Mobile is confusing, but if you find a plan that fits your needs, then you can save a lot of money ;))

On "$30 Plan 1," which I believe you were looking at offers a bucket of 1500 minutes/text messages and 30mb of data - this plan sucks. It doesn't offer much value IMO. And other prepaid carriers/ MVNOs have better deals.

On "$30 Plan 2," which I was talking about (see the screenshot attached in an above post" you get 100 minutes, unlimited messages, and 5GB of data at full speed (they won't throttle you until after you hit 5GB). That's a great deal! Most people are paying around $30 for simply their 2 or 3 GB data plan on ATT and Verizon! This includes 100 minutes and unlimited messages. Great for some folks who can live with T-Mobile coverages and limited minutes.:)

foodog
Jun 9, 2012, 10:18 AM
Is metro att one of the major markets where at&t gave tmobile spectrum for the failed merger? Perhaps coverage has improved

It hasn't so far...

Macclone
Jun 9, 2012, 10:49 AM
Good luck thinking your gonna get the 4G iPhone for $30/month on T-Mobile when it comes out.:p

This is the data only part of the family value plan. Text and voice is shared four family members and runs $80 a month.

unlimitedx
Jun 9, 2012, 11:06 AM
Good luck thinking your gonna get the 4G iPhone for $30/month on T-Mobile when it comes out.:p

Tmobile already offers family value plans,which would be even cheaper if I move all my lines over :p

pilotgi
Jun 9, 2012, 11:10 AM
I'm a T-Mobile customer with a Nexus One phone. Since I refuse to switch carriers, an iPhone isn't an option until T-Mo offers one.

In western Kansas there's not even 3G. But in Wichita, T-Mo has 4G over most of the city. Coverage isn't a problem.

macbookflasher
Jun 10, 2012, 02:17 AM
swish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Bigs
Jun 11, 2012, 03:15 PM
Tmobile already offers family value plans,which would be even cheaper if I move all my lines over :pROFL they don't have the phone yet !!!!:rolleyes:

unlimitedx
Jun 11, 2012, 07:28 PM
ROFL they don't have the phone yet !!!!:rolleyes:

Value plans are BYOD. I'm talking about once tmobile has finished refarming :rolleyes:

Mr Bigs
Jun 14, 2012, 12:08 PM
Value plans are BYOD. I'm talking about once tmobile has finished refarming :rolleyes:If the BYOD happens to be an AT&T iPhone it would be crippled.:rolleyes:

onthecouchagain
Jun 15, 2012, 02:43 PM
Wait a second, does this mean that once it's done, unlocked iPhone 4S' could use Tmobiles HSPA+ speeds, or only their 3G speeds?

rjohnstone
Jun 15, 2012, 03:00 PM
Wait a second, does this mean that once it's done, unlocked iPhone 4S' could use Tmobiles HSPA+ speeds, or only their 3G speeds?
It's the same network. 3G HSPA and FauxG (4G) HSPA+ run on the same bands. Your devices' radio determines what protocol to use.
The 4S supports 14.4Mbps HSPA+, so it will be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network once the frequency change has been made on the towers.

blue22
Jun 19, 2012, 11:29 PM
Lots of people would actually like the option of buying an iPhone without being forced to buy an expensive monthly data plan when they spend so much of their time around home or free public Wifi networks.

In other words, T-Mobile is offering a service people want. What a concept for a business!

Hey, I'm with you on all that, but personally I felt I had to bounce after 5 years of enjoying T-mobile's pre-paid plans so I could finally get an iPhone. :( Maybe on the next go round I'll go Magenta again, but either way I'm actually all for them surviving in the USA market for the greater good of offering better choices to the customer.



"Low minutes"? T-Mo has two $30 prepaid plans:

- 100 minutes, unlimited SMS, 5 GB of 4G data, unlimited 2G data
- 1500 minutes or messages, 30 MB of data

You either get few minutes or few data, not both.

Anyway, I believe overage fees are 10 cents per minute, which means 100 more minutes for $10. That's reasonable. In fact, I would rather get a low minute allotment and be charged a reasonable amount for going over; this means I won't pay for minutes I don't use.

I wasn't aware of that second $30 plan T-Mo is offering, that is new, offered within the past month or so I believe. Here's the fine print for that pre-paid plan (that I bolded) here: "New activations only. Available exclusively in-store at Walmart, on Walmart.com, and T-Mobile.com" Otherwise, yeah, that is a great deal overall, but only 2G/EDGE speeds if used with the iPhone is the only downer.



I think you are mixing up the two $30 plans. (Yes T-Mobile is confusing, but if you find a plan that fits your needs, then you can save a lot of money ;))

On "$30 Plan 1," which I believe you were looking at offers a bucket of 1500 minutes/text messages and 30mb of data - this plan sucks. It doesn't offer much value IMO. And other prepaid carriers/ MVNOs have better deals.

On "$30 Plan 2," which I was talking about (see the screenshot attached in an above post" you get 100 minutes, unlimited messages, and 5GB of data at full speed (they won't throttle you until after you hit 5GB). That's a great deal! Most people are paying around $30 for simply their 2 or 3 GB data plan on ATT and Verizon! This includes 100 minutes and unlimited messages. Great for some folks who can live with T-Mobile coverages and limited minutes.:)

Yep. $30 Plan #1 does suck (which I was referring to in my previous post), but $30 Plan #2 is actually a great deal for first time T-mo activations. Like I mentioned in response to the comment just above yours I didn't see that second $30 plan, that is actually something new T-Mobile is offering. It's aggressive and smart on their end. Thanks for being patient in pointing out the plan specifics to me. :)