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MacRumors
Jun 10, 2012, 10:27 AM
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A post (http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4865869.html) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4865869.html&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen)] from the staff of Chinese forum WeiPhone.com claims to share a host of official Apple download links for tomorrow's software releases. While the links are not currently active, they include iOS 6 beta build 10A5316k for a variety of devices, as well as a developer preview of Safari 6 for OS X Lion.

The accuracy of the claim can not be confirmed given that the links are not yet pointing to the files, but clicking on the links does take users to an error page stating "Your session has expired." Altering the URLs to reference a different build number or making other changes yields an "Access denied" error message, suggesting that there is indeed something unique about the leaked URLs.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/adc_session_expired.jpg


A similar list of links (http://pastebin.com/rsd7s8sb) addressing last year's downloads also leaked out just as Apple's WWDC 2011 keynote was getting underway.

Assuming that the list is accurate and complete as far as iOS 6 beta is concerned, it appears that Apple will not be including support for the original iPad in its next-generation operating system. In addition, Apple appears to be dropping support for the third-generation iPod touch.

The full list of links includes:

Third-generation iPad
- Consumer: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi_3rd_generation__10a5316k.dmg), Wi-Fi + Cellular (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_att__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + Cellular (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_verizon__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi_3rd_generation__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + Cellular (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_att__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + Cellular (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_verizon__10a5316k.zip)

iPad 2
- Consumer: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + 3G (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_gsm__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + 3G (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_cdma__10a5316k.dmg), Revised Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi_rev_a__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + 3G (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_gsm__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + 3G (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_cdma__10a5316k.zip), Revised Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi_rev_a__10a5316k.zip)

iPhone
- Consumer: 4S (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4s__10a5316k.dmg), 4 (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_gsm__10a5316k.dmg), 4 (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_cdma__10a5316k.dmg), 3GS (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_3gs__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: 4S (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4s__10a5316k.zip), 4 (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_gsm__10a5316k.zip), 4 (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_cdma__10a5316k.zip), 3GS (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_3gs__10a5316k.zip)

iPod touch
- Consumer: 4th Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipod_touch_4th_generation__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: 4th Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipod_touch_4th_generation__10a5316k.zip)

Apple TV
- Consumer: 2nd Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/apple_tv_2nd_generation_software_update_beta.dmg), 3rd Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/apple_tv_3rd_generation_software_update_beta.dmg)

Other iOS
- iOS 6 Beta Guide (PDF) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/btaguide_d1.pdf)
- Installing Apple TV Software (PDF) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/installing_apple_tv_software_update.pdf)

Safari 6
- Consumer: Safari 6 Developer Preview for Lion (http://adcdownload.apple.com/Safari/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion.dmg), Uninstaller (http://adcdownload.apple.com/Safari/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion_uninstaller.dmg)

It is unclear whether the leaked list is intended to cover all of Apple's software releases for tomorrow, but we would also expect a new build of OS X Mountain Lion to appear as Apple moves closer to a public release.

(Thanks to @xystudioo on sina weibo!)

Article Link: Apple Releasing iOS 6 Beta Build 10A5316k and Safari 6 Developer Preview at WWDC? (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/10/apple-releasing-ios-6-beta-build-10a5316k-and-safari-6-developer-preview-at-wwdc/)



jbrown
Jun 10, 2012, 10:29 AM
Oh good - inch by inch it's coming!!:cool:

biohead
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

bristleworm
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
Can anybody tell me what's the difference between consumer and enterprise in this case?
And also, if this is legit: cool that the 3GS is still supported!

labaom
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

GoGa
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
So it looks like the 3GS will be getting iOS 6! Wasn't expecting that.

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 10:32 AM
Consumer and Enterprise :o

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 10:32 AM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

There actually isn't that much of a difference between the 3GS, 4, and 4S. The 3GS is still a very powerful phone. Graphics is where the SoCs have improved.

But it is surprising that there isn't an original iPad in that list. Maybe it just wasn't found.

Casper2202
Jun 10, 2012, 10:33 AM
so apple tv will be getting iOS 6?

TechDudeGeorge
Jun 10, 2012, 10:34 AM
Strange that the 3GS is still here, perhaps they'll drop it mid-beta, as I would have thought they'd drop all the older devices (iPod Touch 3G, iPad 1).

I would have thought come the new iPhone, they'd only want 3 out, not 4.

sekazi
Jun 10, 2012, 10:35 AM
It looks like my iPod touch 3G is finally too old to get updates. I don't get it when the 3GS has a slower CPU and the rest of the specs are the same.

darkslide29
Jun 10, 2012, 10:37 AM
It is probably not being included because you can no longer buy the iPad 1 in stores. Everything else you can buy in stores, including the 3GS.
I'd like to see as many devices supported as possible, but it does make sense to do it this way.

I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

TechDudeGeorge
Jun 10, 2012, 10:37 AM
I wonder if a new version of iTunes will be seeded, as aren't they're usually beta builds to support the new iOS and also possibly new features?

I'm thinking iTunes 10.7, but really hoping for 11.

Liquinn
Jun 10, 2012, 10:38 AM
The 2013 iPad should be capable of running at least iOs 7 then? Hmmm..

Looks like my iPad won't support iOs 6. Is there no way to put it on yourself?

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 10:38 AM
It looks like my iPod touch 3G is finally too old to get updates. I don't get it when the 3GS has a slower CPU and the rest of the specs are the same.

Pretty sure you're wrong. The 3GS has a 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz. The iPod touch 3G has the same processor.

Thomasasz
Jun 10, 2012, 10:38 AM
Talk about reducing secrecy! We still do not have a clue what is coming with this update except new Maps app :eek:

GunZi
Jun 10, 2012, 10:39 AM
It looks like my iPod touch 3G is finally too old to get updates. I don't get it when the 3GS has a slower CPU and the rest of the specs are the same.

this isn't official, just evidence ;)

macnerd93
Jun 10, 2012, 10:40 AM
I am fairly certain that the first Gen iPad is going to be supported. I mean why wouldn't it? Just missing certain new features etc. It has almost the same specs under the hood as the iPhone 4 and thats still supported, and if a 3GS is supported :L thats like a four year old phone now

grapes911
Jun 10, 2012, 10:40 AM
So it looks like the 3GS will be getting iOS 6! Wasn't expecting that.

Past experience says it should no longer be supported, but unlike previous phones, the 3GS is still being sold.

iDemiurge
Jun 10, 2012, 10:41 AM
3GS will still be supported because apple still sells it. Can't say the same about the first iPad.

Liquinn
Jun 10, 2012, 10:41 AM
I am fairly certain that the first Gen iPad is going to be supported. I mean why wouldn't it? It has almost the same specs under the hood as the iPhone 4 and thats still supported, and if a 3GS is supported :L thats like a four year old phone now
I'd like the iPad 1 to be supported. It's still a nice device and I do like the meat to the aluminium xD.

8CoreWhore
Jun 10, 2012, 10:42 AM
MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE!:eek:

bristleworm
Jun 10, 2012, 10:42 AM
3GS will still be supported because apple still sells it. Can't say the same about the first iPad.

True. And keep in mind that even if iOS 6 is available for the 3GS, that does not mean all new features will be compatible as well!

Stuipdboy1000
Jun 10, 2012, 10:46 AM
Something must be changing on Apple TV if it warrants an update. Could it actually bring apps?

blackcrayon
Jun 10, 2012, 10:47 AM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

It only has 1/2 the RAM as the iPhone 4, but it needs more RAM to run (slightly higher res screen, more sophisticated apps).

The consumer vs enterprise build is exciting... Perhaps the enterprise build will not allow users to remove the management profiles which renders the device unmanageable. Even better would be if they could be automatically replaced even if the device is wiped :)

MrVinney96
Jun 10, 2012, 10:48 AM
I WILL BE PISSED IF THERE WILL BE NO IOS 6 ON 3rd GEN IPOD TOUCH.

logandzwon
Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
my first gen iPad is getting sloooowwww. I understand why they might be leaving it behind.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
It only has 1/2 the RAM as the iPhone 4, but it needs more RAM to run (slightly higher res screen, more sophisticated apps).

The consumer vs enterprise build is exciting... Perhaps the enterprise build will not allow users to remove the management profiles which renders the device unmanageable. Even better would be if they could be automatically replaced even if the device is wiped :)

Not really. It's just the developer programs.

nfl46
Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
Is it Monday, June 11th yet? :( I can't take this anymore, lol! Nearly 24 hours until we see iOS 6! I'm ready for it on my iPhone tomorrow.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
I WILL BE PISSED IF THERE WILL BE NO IOS 6 ON 3rd GEN IPOD TOUCH.

I guess you'll be pissed.

macbwizard
Jun 10, 2012, 10:52 AM
my first gen iPad is getting sloooowwww. I understand why they might be leaving it behind.

Same. I regret putting iOS 5 on it.

Liquinn
Jun 10, 2012, 10:54 AM
my first gen iPad is getting sloooowwww. I understand why they might be leaving it behind.
And to think it was the newest thing out at one point :L

sk8er1
Jun 10, 2012, 10:54 AM
So what does this mean for the actual release date. later this year, around oct like last year, or next month like it it used to be?

blackcrayon
Jun 10, 2012, 10:54 AM
Not really. It's just the developer programs.

What do you mean? Why would there be separate downloads if there weren't before?

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 10:55 AM
So what does this mean for the actual release date. later this year, around oct like last year, or next month like it it used to be?

iOS betas have always had a lead of 2-3 months. So October.

What do you mean? Why would there be separate downloads if there weren't before?

I recall there being different ones based upon developer programs before. Maybe not tied to the iOS 5 beta we got last year.

pmau
Jun 10, 2012, 10:56 AM
It has been a long time since I really wished the weekend would be over and monday would finally arrive ... I love Mondays ;)

EDIT: AND there will be a great new Xcode release with dynamic zooming ;)
I cannot even run the retina simulator on my monitor.

the8thark
Jun 10, 2012, 10:58 AM
Apple Releasing iOS 6 Beta Build 10A5316k and Safari 6 Developer Preview at WWDC?

Add in Mountain Lion developer previews and I will agree with you.

monaarts
Jun 10, 2012, 10:59 AM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

Apple will support it for a little while longer... Someone could have bought an iPhone 3GS today and wouldn't get support - doesn't seem right. I say they stop supporting it 1 year after they stop selling it.

Bertvdm09
Jun 10, 2012, 11:00 AM
I hope so there is a new macbook pro With retina and without superdrive!!

chukronos
Jun 10, 2012, 11:01 AM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

IF this list is accurate, it may be worthwhile to jail break the ipad to get more of the new functionality.

I wonder if they will still support the OS on a device that is only 2 years old?

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 11:01 AM
iOS betas have always had a lead of 2-3 months. So October.



I recall there being different ones based upon developer programs before. Maybe not tied to the iOS 5 beta we got last year.
I don't ever remember there being an enterprise build to be honest, only separate builds for each type of device (specific device then 3G, wifi).

blackcrayon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:01 AM
iOS betas have always had a lead of 2-3 months. So October.



I recall there being different ones based upon developer programs before. Maybe not tied to the iOS 5 beta we got last year.

Ok. I don't remember this ever happening or having to make that choice (I've been in the non-enterprise developer program for a while). It doesn't seem like they would *need* to make a whole separate image for enterprise vs consumer OS, but then it also doesn't seem like they should need a separate build for every little device they sell. I mean an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 4 aren't much further apart than say a 2008 Mac Pro and a 2012 MacBook Air :)
Maybe it has something to do with putting on the exact baseband for each model that's easier than having the installer decide when the firmware is being applied.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:02 AM
Ok. I don't remember this ever happening or having to make that choice (I've been in the non-enterprise developer program for a while). It doesn't seem like they would *need* to make a whole separate image for enterprise vs consumer OS, but then it also doesn't seem like they should need a separate build for every little device they sell. I mean an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 4 aren't much further apart than say a 2008 Mac Pro and a 2012 MacBook Air :)
Maybe it has something to do with putting on the exact baseband for each model that's easier than having the installer decide when the firmware is being applied.

It's about baseband.

And here's your link to the enterprise program: https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/enterprise/

Sensation
Jun 10, 2012, 11:02 AM
They should give up on Safari its just terrible, bundle Chrome/Firefox with OS x :(

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 11:03 AM
They should give up on Safari its just terrible, bundle Chrome/Firefox with OS x :(
Safari 5.2 beta is surprisingly good actually. I find it less flakey than Chrome. It's been quite stable and quick actually.

GoGa
Jun 10, 2012, 11:04 AM
They should give up on Safari its just terrible, bundle Chrome/Firefox with OS x :(

Safari on OS X is really good in my experience, I don't know how people cope without the gestures & iCloud syncing between iOS.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
They should give up on Safari its just terrible, bundle Chrome/Firefox with OS x :(

Thanks for the laugh.

ArtOfWarfare
Jun 10, 2012, 11:07 AM
Talk about reducing secrecy! We still do not have a clue what is coming with this update except new Maps app :eek:

The sad thing is it seems like it's becoming increasingly common for me to go into an Apple event thinking this same thing, and then realizing that, no, in fact Apple has nothing more to reveal.

IE, Siri being the big feature of the 4S. I was waiting to hear about something that I hadn't already heard about on MR, and as it ended I realized that they hadn't actually pulled off a single surprise.

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 11:08 AM
What's semi-fishy about this is Safari 6. The developer beta is 5.2; if this is true, why wasn't it 6 to start?

blackcrayon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:09 AM
It's about baseband.

And here's your link to the enterprise program: https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/enterprise/

I see, so just a different link to the same build (but one is zipped), basically.

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 11:10 AM
What's semi-fishy about this is Safari 6. The developer beta is 5.2; if this is true, why wasn't it 6 to start?
Increased build in iOS? I'm not sure how the two correlate though (do they use the same code base or is mobile Safari a fork?). Lord knows it needs to be updated.

Tmelon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
What's semi-fishy about this is Safari 6. The developer beta is 5.2; if this is true, why wasn't it 6 to start?

It's been version 5 since Snow Leopard and it has changed a ton since then so they probably felt that it deserved a new version number.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
I see, so just a different link to the same build (but one is zipped), basically.

More than likely.

*Calypso*
Jun 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

That makes the Android update policy look even more ridiculous. The iPhone 3GS came out June 2009, so with iOS 6 this phone will see update support for at least 4 years. My parents both got a HTC Desire which came out in Europe in March 2010 and are stuck at Android 2.3 with no chance of updating (4.0 is the newest version, with 5.0 coming later this year).

None of my friends ever sold his/her old iPhone, they always gave it to other friends, which will probably use them until they break - also because the iPhones stay fresh with yearly iOS updates. Android phones seem to be designed to be outdated after just 12-18 months.

blackcrayon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:15 AM
That makes the Android update policy look even more ridiculous. The iPhone 3GS came out June 2009, so with iOS 6 this phone will see update support for at least 4 years. My parents both got a HTC Desire which came out in Europe in March 2010 and are stuck at Android 2.3 with no chance of updating (4.0 is the newest version, with 5.0 coming later this year).

Looks like 2 major iOS upgrades is what you should expect, and if your device gets a 3rd, consider yourself lucky ;) Which seems more than reasonable considering the rest of the industry.

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 11:17 AM
The Enterprise build is marked as iOS 6 Beta for IT.Not sure if it means that it's for the Enterprise development program.

myrtlebee
Jun 10, 2012, 11:17 AM
Some people in this thread are claiming that iOS 6 will not be supported on the original iPad because Apple does not sell it - that's not completely true as they still sell tons refurbished. It's more about what the hardware can support.

ShiftyPig
Jun 10, 2012, 11:19 AM
Can't wait to see what Android features show up two years later on iPhones - must be an exciting time for all the cutting-edge iOS users.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:19 AM
The Enterprise build is marked as iOS 6 Beta for IT.Not sure if it means that it's for the Enterprise development program.

That's what the enterprise program is for - IT.

lancastor
Jun 10, 2012, 11:19 AM
No link for a new iTunes beta?

Is iTunes really merging into Safari 6? :eek:

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:20 AM
No link for a new iTunes beta?

Is iTunes really merging into Safari 6? :eek:

No.

GoGa
Jun 10, 2012, 11:22 AM
It's strange that there is no iTunes beta... Does this indicate that it will be split up into separate apps that come with Mountain Lion?

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 11:22 AM
That's what the enterprise program is for - IT.

Why would they require separate download links then? I suppose I'll find out when it comes as I have a personal and enterprise developer account.

Tmelon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:22 AM
No link for a new iTunes beta?

Is iTunes really merging into Safari 6? :eek:

Oh god no. iTunes is already bloated enough.

MacinDoc
Jun 10, 2012, 11:24 AM
That makes the Android update policy look even more ridiculous. The iPhone 3GS came out June 2009, so with iOS 6 this phone will see update support for at least 4 years. My parents both got a HTC Desire which came out in Europe in March 2010 and are stuck at Android 2.3 with no chance of updating (4.0 is the newest version, with 5.0 coming later this year).

None of my friends ever sold his/her iPhone, they always gave it to other friends, which will probably use them until they break - also because the iPhones stay fresh with yearly iOS updates. Android phones seem to be designed to be outdated after just 12-18 months.
But if 3GS support is dropped in iOS 7, then those who buy the 3GS now will get only 1 year of support. There's no way Apple could drop 3GS support less than a year after they stopped selling it, that would be a PR nightmare. They will probably drop the 3GS and introduce the new iPhone when iOS 6 is publicly available.

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 11:25 AM
It's strange that there is no iTunes beta... Does this indicate that it will be split up into separate apps that come with Mountain Lion?

Not necessarily. Even if that happens they'd still need a new iTunes for windows (unless they also release seperate apps for windows?)

AriX
Jun 10, 2012, 11:25 AM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!
So it looks like the 3GS will be getting iOS 6! Wasn't expecting that.
They still sell the 3GS, of course it will get the latest OS. And yes, this is a guarantee it will get a final release; they would not issue beta versions for the device if they did not intend on continuing to support it.
It's strange that there is no iTunes beta... Does this indicate that it will be split up into separate apps that come with Mountain Lion?
No it's not. These links are the iOS betas and related documents only. iTunes is a separate category.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:29 AM
Safari 6 is only for Lion??! Apple, what ever happened to promoting your own web browser? I like Safari a lot and use it, but I don't want to get a bunch of versions behind then have to switch to Chrome or Firefox.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:29 AM
Why would they require separate download links then? I suppose I'll find out when it comes as I have a personal and enterprise developer account.

Just to differentiate. Might be different release notes.

But if 3GS support is dropped in iOS 7, then those who buy the 3GS now will get only 1 year of support. There's no way Apple could drop 3GS support less than a year after they stopped selling it, that would be a PR nightmare. They will probably drop the 3GS and introduce the new iPhone when iOS 6 is publicly available.

What PR nightmare? People buying cheap smartphones don't get mad when their devices aren't updated. See: Android.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:30 AM
Can't wait to see what Android features show up two years later on iPhones - must be an exciting time for all the cutting-edge iOS users.

Like Facebook integration?

HangmanSwingset
Jun 10, 2012, 11:30 AM
There actually isn't that much of a difference between the 3GS, 4, and 4S. The 3GS is still a very powerful phone. Graphics is where the SoCs have improved.

But it is surprising that there isn't an original iPad in that list. Maybe it just wasn't found.

It should be noted though that the iPhone 3GS, iPad 1, and iPhone 4 have the same GPU on their SoC. I think the only difference is the frequency at which it's clocked at.

But I really do agree that it's surprising the iPad 1 isn't on there.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
I'm planning on forcing Safari 6 to install in Leopard :cool:

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
True. And keep in mind that even if iOS 6 is available for the 3GS, that does not mean all new features will be compatible as well!

I agree. I bet that only about 25-50% of the new features of iOS 6 will be available. Its called the "Compatible only cause we still sell it" update.

Like for example the 3D maps for the 3GS will most likely be a definite no-no. I think that iPhone 4 users would be lucky to get this feature. (Though to be fair, the iPhone 4 early adopters are to be available for the next gen iPhone when it is announced. Provided they didn't already use their upgrade.)

crisss1205
Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
They still sell the 3GS, of course it will get the latest OS. And yes, this is a guarantee it will get a final release; they would not issue beta versions for the device if they did not intend on continuing to support it.


I think Apple did do that once, they had support for a device, then dropped support after a few beta releases.

Cod3rror
Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
It'll be awesome if 3GS gets the update. It'll be a very big statement by Apple to support their hardware.

It is still a very capable phone, it has the same architecture as iPhone 4 and much lower resolution.



P.S. Those of you that complain about your 3GS being slow, do a fresh restore.

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:33 AM
It should be noted though that the iPhone 3GS, iPad 1, and iPhone 4 have the same GPU on their SoC. I think the only difference is the frequency at which it's clocked at.

But I really do agree that it's surprising the iPad 1 isn't on there.

You're right. Just checked. 150 MHz in the 3GS to 200 MHz in the iPhone 4 and iPad.

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I think Apple did do that once, they had support for a device, then dropped support after a few beta releases.

iPhone 3G. They had support into the release of iOS 4 but dropped it at 4.1 or 4.2 because it was awful.

Cod3rror
Jun 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
But if 3GS support is dropped in iOS 7, then those who buy the 3GS now will get only 1 year of support. There's no way Apple could drop 3GS support less than a year after they stopped selling it, that would be a PR nightmare. They will probably drop the 3GS and introduce the new iPhone when iOS 6 is publicly available.

Not going to be complaining if 3GS is dropped with iOS 7.

They used to have 2 phones on sale at the same time, now they have 3, next year 3GS will get replaced by iPhone 4 as the cheapest iPhone. So when iOS 7 comes out 3GS will not be on sale for a long time.

If 3GS gets iOS 6, that's 3 major updates(iOS 4, 5, 6) and that would be an industry gold standard, absolutely unmatched by other manufacturers/software companies.

But if they want to give 3GS users iOS 7, by all means Apple, go ahead...

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
I agree. I bet that only about 25-50% of the new features of iOS 6 will be available. Its called the "Compatible only cause we still sell it" update.

Like for example the 3D maps for the 3GS will most likely be a definite no-no. I think that iPhone 4 users would be lucky to get this feature. (Though to be fair, the iPhone 4 early adopters are to be available for the next gen iPhone when it is announced. Provided they didn't already use their upgrade.)

I think the iPhone 4 will be supported until the 5S or whatever they call it.

Tmelon
Jun 10, 2012, 11:37 AM
You're right. Just checked. 150 MHz in the 3GS to 200 MHz in the iPhone 4 and iPad.

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iPhone 3G. They had support into the release of iOS 4 but dropped it at 4.1 or 4.2 because it was awful.

The support wasn't dropped during a beta version though. The 3G and second gen iPod touch ended support at 4.2.1 because it was just running awfully and messing with the software wasn't enough to make up for a weak processor.

kemo
Jun 10, 2012, 11:37 AM
great news, however I think it wont be online until monday..

*Calypso*
Jun 10, 2012, 11:37 AM
Can't wait to see what Android features show up two years later on iPhones - must be an exciting time for all the cutting-edge iOS users.

That would be widgets* aaaand ... ? And please don't say Flash now.

* Which already exist in the Notification Center.

propynyl
Jun 10, 2012, 11:38 AM
I WILL BE PISSED IF THERE WILL BE NO IOS 6 ON 3rd GEN IPOD TOUCH.

Um, buy a new one!

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 11:38 AM
Kinda strange that 3GS will get iOS 6 but not iPad 1. This makes me think that iOS 6 won't have new features like bigger ones in iOS 4 (multitasking) or iOS 5 (iCloud). Probably will focus on stock apps that the rumors were suggesting.

Oh well think that means I should upgrade my iPad or jailbreak it. Still got my iPhone 4 so I'm happy.

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 11:39 AM
It should be noted though that the iPhone 3GS, iPad 1, and iPhone 4 have the same GPU on their SoC. I think the only difference is the frequency at which it's clocked at.

But I really do agree that it's surprising the iPad 1 isn't on there.

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the iPad 1 doesn't have any cameras too? Considering some of the apple apps like iMovie or iPhoto wont even work on an iPad 1 because they claim this. I highly doubt it, but that is a possibility too...

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
The support wasn't dropped during a beta version though. The 3G and second gen iPod touch ended support at 4.2.1 because it was just running awfully and messing with the software wasn't enough to make up for a weak processor.

I didn't say it was. I was providing him the information as to when Apple dropped a device from OS support mid-life. Apple hasn't cut a device out during an iOS beta, only to start a new beta.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
What PR nightmare? People buying cheap smartphones don't get mad when their devices aren't updated. See: Android.

Haha
The thing is, both Android and iOS are free at this point. Apple would be giving out free, new operating systems to people with phones from 2009 if they supported the 3GS any further.

Android's difficulty with updating is more extreme, and it's probably caused by the fact that they're so clunky and fragmented.

Yamcha
Jun 10, 2012, 11:41 AM
Glad to hear that the 4th Generation iPod Touch will be supported, was a bit worried about that.. :)

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:42 AM
I WILL BE **** IF THERE WILL BE NO IOS 6 ON 3rd GEN IPOD TOUCH.

In that case, you will be ****. Apple won't give out a free operating system to someone with such an old device.

I wish they had the option to just buy the OS, though. But then Apple would have to keep adding support for older devices, which is annoying to do.

Vundu
Jun 10, 2012, 11:42 AM
Nothing to do with specs or hardware. It is if Apple plan to continue to sell and support a device. They do not sell iPad 1s anymore so why make the new iOS run on it?

charlituna
Jun 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

Classic Apple. They only support the mobile devices for the release that was active when the device first launched and two additional versions. It reduces the variations they have to concern themselves with and encourages buying updated hardware since by that time even your Apple Care has run out.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
Glad to hear that the 4th Generation iPod Touch will be supported, was a bit worried about that.. :)

Apple seems to support two generations behind. For iPhones, it is best to sell your iPhone and get a new one every 2 years (when the contract is up) anyway.

jlnr
Jun 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
No iOS6 on the original iPad, I think that's realistic if you consider how slow iOS 5.1 has gotten. (For whatever reason - it's not like iCloud should be more straining than MobileMe)

Yet Apple was selling original iPads right up to the release of the new iPad! Can you imagine buying a Mac and not being able to upgrade to the latest OS only three months later? That's one part of the smartphone market that I hope the "post PC era" will not copy :(

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 11:45 AM
No iOS6 on the original iPad, I think that's realistic if you consider how slow iOS 5.1 has gotten. (For whatever reason - it's not like iCloud should be more straining than MobileMe)

Yet Apple was selling original iPads right up to the release of the new iPad! Can you imagine buying a Mac and not being able to upgrade to the latest OS only three months later? That's one part of the smartphone market that I hope the "post PC era" will not copy :(

No they weren't. Only refurbs. Nothing new.

faroZ06
Jun 10, 2012, 11:46 AM
No iOS6 on the original iPad, I think that's realistic if you consider how slow iOS 5.1 has gotten. (For whatever reason - it's not like iCloud should be more straining than MobileMe)

Yet Apple was selling original iPads right up to the release of the new iPad! Can you imagine buying a Mac and not being able to upgrade to the latest OS only three months later? That's one part of the smartphone market that I hope the "post PC era" will not copy :(

Yeah, that's kinda stupid. The iPad 1 is not a good device anyway. I always wait one version before buying.

dugbee
Jun 10, 2012, 11:47 AM
Q: How many 2009 Android phones will run Jelly Bean, or can even run ICS?
A: There are still Android phones from 2009 that work?

:p happy to see that my 3GS (which I now use as an iPod) will still sit comfortably with my 4S and new iPad.

LastLine
Jun 10, 2012, 11:48 AM
No iOS6 on the original iPad, I think that's realistic if you consider how slow iOS 5.1 has gotten. (For whatever reason - it's not like iCloud should be more straining than MobileMe)

Yet Apple was selling original iPads right up to the release of the new iPad! Can you imagine buying a Mac and not being able to upgrade to the latest OS only three months later? That's one part of the smartphone market that I hope the "post PC era" will not copy :(

What? No they weren't.

charlituna
Jun 10, 2012, 11:48 AM
Talk about reducing secrecy! We still do not have a clue what is coming with this update except new Maps app :eek:

It's the developer's conference making this software an easy call. Since that's what the conference is all about -- revealing the software features, releasing the developer tools and betas, running q&a sessions about the new stuff etc.

The versions are what they are because that is the hardware available to the developers to test on. It doesn't necessarily reflect the final supported item list.

propynyl
Jun 10, 2012, 11:51 AM
If the 3GS is FULLY supported, it can't be that big of an update! The internal difference between the 3GS the the upcoming "iPhone 5" are HUGE!

I mean they dropped multitasking from the 3G, so they do sometimes release "lite" iOS Versions. I know that they are still selling the 3GS, I just can't understand how that phone can be fully supported with iOS 6!?! Makes me feel like it is ultimately not a huge update.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 11:51 AM
Reason you don't see links for ML there is because IOS devs only see links to IOS and Mac devs only see links to OSX. So I'm guessing this person only had access to the IOS part.

IOS devs that aren't a member of the Mac dev program won't see IOS links.

Thus the IOS only links.

They list them separately depending on your dev access.

charlituna
Jun 10, 2012, 11:53 AM
It's strange that there is no iTunes beta... Does this indicate that it will be split up into separate apps that come with Mountain Lion?

It indicates nothing. It's possible that the next iTunes is a UI facelift only so the developers don't need the new version in order to test anything for ML or iOS.

or it could mean they are doing a total revamp but haven't posted the link yet because they don't want to tip folks off. Everyone already knew that iOS and OS X were getting changes as well as Safari because they have seen the official info and the rumors. But no one has leaked anything about iTunes so they are very very careful to keep off all links so they can have it as a 'one more thing' surprise for the keynote.

HangmanSwingset
Jun 10, 2012, 11:54 AM
If the 3GS does have issues with the update, they could always un-underclock it. It's what, 833 MHz underclocked to 600MHz? They could lift that to 700 MHz or so, while including smarter methods of CPU/GPU usage, thus decreasing the amount of heat dispersed and rate of battery drain. The 3G wasn't able to keep up I think because they had not done that. The 3G had the same processor as the 2nd gen iPod touch, and it was underclocked to 412MHz, whereas the 2nd gen iPod touch was clocked at I think it was 537MHz? Some non-even number that made me go all obsessive-compulsive over it. That was the biggest killer on the iPhone 3G IMHO.

charlituna
Jun 10, 2012, 11:55 AM
They still sell the 3GS, of course it will get the latest OS.

there's no 'of course' here. When they release the 6th Gen phone they will likely stop selling the 3gs and as it has already had its 3 iOS updates they are still within their pattern if they don't support it with iOS 6. A detail they will likely have already revealed several different ways so there should be no PR issues.

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 11:56 AM
Increased build in iOS? I'm not sure how the two correlate though (do they use the same code base or is mobile Safari a fork?). Lord knows it needs to be updated.

It will at least get cloud tabs support, and most likely the new unified URL bar.

CupOfJoeD
Jun 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
It will at least get cloud tabs support, and most likely the new unified URL bar.

I concur.

Hastings101
Jun 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
No iOS6 on the original iPad, I think that's realistic if you consider how slow iOS 5.1 has gotten. (For whatever reason - it's not like iCloud should be more straining than MobileMe)

Yet Apple was selling original iPads right up to the release of the new iPad! Can you imagine buying a Mac and not being able to upgrade to the latest OS only three months later? That's one part of the smartphone market that I hope the "post PC era" will not copy :(

Ever since the iPhone 3G got that awful iOS 4 update I've felt that Apple purposely slows down devices with system updates to "encourage" users to upgrade to a new device. The original iPad should be able to run iOS 5 just as well as the 3GS can (which is pretty decent) and should run iOS 6 just fine.

I'm fine with Apple dropping support for older devices without much warning (a lot of companies do it in the mobile market) but giving out updates that hinder devices and then dropping them is just mean.

Millah
Jun 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
3GS will still be supported because apple still sells it. Can't say the same about the first iPad.

That's horrible logic. Apple should only support software updates for products still currently sold? Well I guess that means iPad 2 owners are out of luck next year.

A 2 year life cycle for software updates isn't exactly a good thing. Apple used to stop supporting a product once the hardware became too dated. Not based on whether or not they still sold in stores.

This probably isn't the full legit list, and I'd be surprised if the 1st iPad isn't supported. There's no reason for it not to be.

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
I think the iPhone 4 will be supported until the 5S or whatever they call it.

And it will be. I just see the 3GS only getting about 25-50% of the features. As for the maps example, we just have to see how Apple will impose the limitations on the 3D mapping cabablitites. (For example they found that the 3D mapping capablitites worked on an iPhone 4, however it didn't work as well as they wanted so they dropped it, will only be supported on 4S and above.)

Liquinn
Jun 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
Classic Apple. They only support the mobile devices for the release that was active when the device first launched and two additional versions. It reduces the variations they have to concern themselves with and encourages buying updated hardware since by that time even your Apple Care has run out.
True, I've applecare on my iPad 1 until later on in the year which is good. I'll probably update to the iPad 4 or whatever they call it next March.

deannnnn
Jun 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
Too bad about the iPad 1, but I totally understand why. That thing can't even run iOS 5. I rarely use my iPad anymore because it crashes when I try to do even simple tasks (load non-iPad-specific websites). I just use my MacBook because while it may be slow, it gets the job done successfully.

MacReloaded
Jun 10, 2012, 11:59 AM
That's horrible logic. Apple should only support software updates for products still currently sold? Well I guess that means iPad 2 owners are out of luck next year.

iPad 2 is still being sold, so two more years I guess.

twoodcc
Jun 10, 2012, 12:00 PM
what about the first iPad?

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 12:02 PM
what about the first iPad?

Will not be supported if this information is correct.

TechnikLayman
Jun 10, 2012, 12:02 PM
Can someone explain the difference between consumer and enterprise? Is this an iOS 6 thing only or are there those two versions of iOS 5 as well?

Stetrain
Jun 10, 2012, 12:03 PM
The iPad 1 has already gotten two major updates. It started at 3.x and is now up to 5.x.

It also hasn't been sold as a new product for over a year now, unlike the iPhone 3GS which is still on sale.

The iPad 1 and 3GS are fairly similar processor wise (Same GPU I think), but the iPad 1 has a bigger screen to deal with.

NOV
Jun 10, 2012, 12:04 PM
Too bad about the iPad 1, but I totally understand why. That thing can't even run iOS 5. I rarely use my iPad anymore because it crashes when I try to do even simple tasks (load non-iPad-specific websites). I just use my MacBook because while it may be slow, it gets the job done successfully.

Just to be sure, I checked my iPad 1 for the software version, because I could not in any way relate to your statements about the slow and prone to crash iPad 1. I never had any of such experiences (have iOS5.1.1 installed) and been using it quite intensively. Last week I bought the iPad 3 and did some comparisons with iPad 1. I was actually quite surprised how fast the iPad 1 was.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 12:08 PM
Can someone explain the difference between consumer and enterprise? Is this an iOS 6 thing only or are there those two versions of iOS 5 as well?

I have never seen an enterprise version of IOS listed on the ADC portal which tells me IOS 6 will have user accounts.

Liquinn
Jun 10, 2012, 12:09 PM
So the iPad 4 (2013) should be able to run iOs 7/8?

WeegieMac
Jun 10, 2012, 12:10 PM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

Wrong. iPhone 4 has twice the RAM.

I'd aim your anger at the 3GS getting iOS 6 and the first iPad not, rather than iPhone 4.

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 12:11 PM
I have never seen an enterprise version of IOS listed on the ADC portal which tells me IOS 6 will have user accounts.

Or it could just have "enterprise" features, but multiple accounts does seem like a possibility.

Stetrain
Jun 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
So the iPad 4 (2013) should be able to run iOs 7/8?

Sounds about right.

Cod3rror
Jun 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
there's no 'of course' here. When they release the 6th Gen phone they will likely stop selling the 3gs and as it has already had its 3 iOS updates they are still within their pattern if they don't support it with iOS 6. A detail they will likely have already revealed several different ways so there should be no PR issues.

What if somebody buys a 3GS a week before iPhone 6 goes on sale?

Supporting 3GS with iOS 6 would be the right thing to do and if anybody knows how to treat their customers right, it's Apple.

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
I have never seen an enterprise version of IOS listed on the ADC portal which tells me IOS 6 will have user accounts.

Why would that be limited to the Enterprise though? iPads are often shared amongst families.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 12:14 PM
Why would that be limited to the Enterprise though? iPads are often shared amongst families.

That would just be the way Apple lists it in their directory structure.

The enterprise would definitely benefit from user accounts. Thus the listing.

AriX
Jun 10, 2012, 12:17 PM
That's horrible logic. Apple should only support software updates for products still currently sold? Well I guess that means iPad 2 owners are out of luck next year.

A 2 year life cycle for software updates isn't exactly a good thing. Apple used to stop supporting a product once the hardware became too dated. Not based on whether or not they still sold in stores.

This probably isn't the full legit list, and I'd be surprised if the 1st iPad isn't supported. There's no reason for it not to be.
Millah, you're misunderstanding. It's not that Apple should only support currently sold products, it's that the iPhone 3GS is still being sold, and therefore Apple should continue supporting at least one additional year after it is discontinued. I do agree that it is unfortunate the iPad 1G is not supported, but I do believe that this is the full, legitimate list of iOS 6 betas.
there's no 'of course' here. When they release the 6th Gen phone they will likely stop selling the 3gs and as it has already had its 3 iOS updates they are still within their pattern if they don't support it with iOS 6. A detail they will likely have already revealed several different ways so there should be no PR issues.
Apple has never discontinued an iOS device and simultaneously stopped supporting it with OS updates. Apple will definitely support the 3GS in iOS 6.
I have never seen an enterprise version of IOS listed on the ADC portal which tells me IOS 6 will have user accounts.
Doubtful. Note that the enterprise version is a ZIP, where the other versions are DMGs - the enterprise version is designed for testing in Windows environments. It is possible that there could be some other differences (perhaps enterprise versions will not push the user to create an iCloud account?), but this is not an indication of a multi-user iOS.

crisss1205
Jun 10, 2012, 12:18 PM
Can someone explain the difference between consumer and enterprise? Is this an iOS 6 thing only or are there those two versions of iOS 5 as well?

The "Consumer" version is a DMG file which has always been the go to packaging of full iOS Software Images. I am thinking the Enterprise version (which is a ZIP file) will be for Enterprise (OTA) Distribution? Because OTA updates are ZIP files.

applegigs
Jun 10, 2012, 12:20 PM
Can't wait to see iOS 6. As far as 3GS kill the poor device it's seen enough, one thing is running its OS another is running apps. If not Apple, developers will kill it that's for sure. In my collection of old Macs I have this old MBP late 2006 C2D 2.16 running Lion poor thing is running slowly but surely. It's just my opinion.

WeegieMac
Jun 10, 2012, 12:21 PM
I don't quite understand what the 3GS has got to deserve iOS 6 support if the iPad 1st Gen has been axed.

They have the same RAM, but the iPad has a superior CPU.

Tomorrow will be interesting, but I'm happy to see iPhone 4 supported as it will tide me over until next year when I pick up the new iPhone.

This news means either a) iOS 6 is bringing very little to the table in that the 3GS can run it, or b) it'll be supported like the 3G was with iOS 4 with features stripped from it that other models receive.

Hopefully the later.

Moonjumper
Jun 10, 2012, 12:22 PM
The iPhone 3GS has some components that are slower than the iPhone 4, such as the CPU, but it is only pushing one quarter of the number of pixels, so the performance is generally the same. Therefore I am not surprised the 3GS is supported.

The iPad 1 has even more pixels than the iPhone 4, but has less RAM. I kept my iPad 1 on iOS 4 as a test device for compatibility with that OS. I'm glad I did as reports suggest it struggles on iOS 5. I won't be surprised if it is not supported by iOS 6.

THe 3rd Gen iPod touch is very similar to the iPhone 3GS, so my one surprise with this story is that one is supported, but not the other.

djrod
Jun 10, 2012, 12:23 PM
I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

Maybe the iPad iOS is way different and need more power, who knows?

WeegieMac
Jun 10, 2012, 12:23 PM
The iPhone 3GS has some components that are slower than the iPhone 4, such as the CPU, but it is only pushing one quarter of the number of pixels, so the performance is generally the same. Therefore I am not surprised the 3GS is supported.

The iPad 1 has even more pixels than the iPhone 4, but has less RAM. I kept my iPad 1 on iOS 4 as a test device for compatibility with that OS. I'm glad I did as reports suggest it struggles on iOS 5. I won't be surprised if it is not supported by iOS 6.

THe 3rd Gen iPod touch is very similar to the iPhone 3GS, so my one surprise with this story is that one is supported, but not the other.

And half the bloody RAM!!!

I'm more surprised at the 3GS being supported when the iPad 1st gen is not.

I really though all the "A" CPU devices were a cert, it's strange when you consider the 3GS and iPad 1 have identical RAM but the iPad carries a better CPU. The iPhone 4 with 512mb of RAM and an 800MHz A4 is a no brainer.

loveapple89776
Jun 10, 2012, 12:24 PM
iOS 6 updates for iPhone and iPad are expected.

But if the list is accurate, and iOS 6 is coming to the Apple TV, then what can we expect?

An SDK and Apps, or just some iCloud updates?

Dionte
Jun 10, 2012, 12:25 PM
Less than 24 hours people, less than 24 hours.

KPOM
Jun 10, 2012, 12:26 PM
Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

Can anybody tell me what's the difference between consumer and enterprise in this case?
And also, if this is legit: cool that the 3GS is still supported!

Perhaps the enterprise version enables more remote control/wiping capabilities without using iCloud? Note that Apple already has some enterprise tools available for existing iOS devices.

I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

Commercial reasons. Apple still sells the iPhone 3GS, and I'm guessing still will, at least in some markets, this coming year, even after the new iPhone is released.

Mr. Wonderful
Jun 10, 2012, 12:28 PM
Wrong. iPhone 4 has twice the RAM.

I'd aim your anger at the 3GS getting iOS 6 and the first iPad not, rather than iPhone 4.
It doesn't mean it's getting a full version of iOS 6.

KPOM
Jun 10, 2012, 12:28 PM
This news means either a) iOS 6 is bringing very little to the table in that the 3GS can run it, or b) it'll be supported like the 3G was with iOS 4 with features stripped from it that other models receive.

Hopefully the later.

I'm guessing the latter. Otherwise, it would be a no-brainer to support the other older devices like the original iPad. They will support the 3GS so that they can still sell it as a low-cost device, but won't bring over features that it can't handle.

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 12:29 PM
Doubtful. Note that the enterprise version is a ZIP, where the other versions are DMGs - the enterprise version is designed for testing in Windows environments. It is possible that there could be some other differences (perhaps enterprise versions will not push the user to create an iCloud account?), but this is not an indication of a multi-user iOS.

I agree with this based on the fact that there were stories a little while back about companies that did not want their employees using iCloud. This was due to the fact that they were afraid Apple was storing their proprietary information in their iCloud servers, and it was being publicly transmitted without as much security as they would like.

Having an enterprise version that stripped iCloud would be a way to resolve that issue.

Update: It was IBM and they wanted Siri not to be used as well, so I would assume an enterprise version would block that too, on devices that support it.

http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/23/ibm-blocks-siri-and-icloud-on-staff-iphones-due-to-extraordinarily-conservative-security-measures/

haydn!
Jun 10, 2012, 12:31 PM
I don't get why people are stressing that if the 3GS can support iOS6, then iOS6 must be a small update.

Why? First of all, just because it's getting iOS6 doesn't mean it will get all the same/new features as newer models. For all we know, iOS6 might just add a few fixes, a few new UI elements, a few new ringtones and background images to the 3GS and that's it.

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 12:32 PM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/10/apple-releasing-ios-6-beta-build-10a5316k-and-safari-6-developer-preview-at-wwdc/)


Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/ios_6_icon-150x141.jpg)

A post (http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4865869.html) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4865869.html&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen)] from the staff of Chinese forum WeiPhone.com claims to share a host of official Apple download links for tomorrow's software releases. While the links are not currently active, they include iOS 6 beta build 10A5316k for a variety of devices, as well as a developer preview of Safari 6 for OS X Lion.

The accuracy of the claim can not be confirmed given that the links are not yet pointing to the files, but clicking on the links does take users to an error page stating "Your session has expired." Altering the URLs to reference a different build number or making other changes yields an "Access denied" error message, suggesting that there is indeed something unique about the leaked URLs.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/adc_session_expired.jpg)


A similar list of links (http://pastebin.com/rsd7s8sb) addressing last year's downloads also leaked out just as Apple's WWDC 2011 keynote was getting underway.

Assuming that the list is accurate and complete as far as iOS 6 beta is concerned, it appears that Apple will not be including support for the original iPad in its next-generation operating system. In addition, Apple appears to be dropping support for the third-generation iPod touch.

The full list of links includes:

Third-generation iPad
- Consumer: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi_3rd_generation__10a5316k.dmg), Wi-Fi + Cellular (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_att__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + Cellular (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_verizon__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi_3rd_generation__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + Cellular (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_att__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + Cellular (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_wifi__cellular_model_for_verizon__10a5316k.zip)

iPad 2
- Consumer: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + 3G (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_gsm__10a5316k.dmg), WiFi + 3G (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_cdma__10a5316k.dmg), Revised Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi_rev_a__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + 3G (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_gsm__10a5316k.zip), WiFi + 3G (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi__3g_cdma__10a5316k.zip), Revised Wi-Fi (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipad_2_wifi_rev_a__10a5316k.zip)

iPhone
- Consumer: 4S (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4s__10a5316k.dmg), 4 (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_gsm__10a5316k.dmg), 4 (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_cdma__10a5316k.dmg), 3GS (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__iphone_3gs__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: 4S (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4s__10a5316k.zip), 4 (GSM) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_gsm__10a5316k.zip), 4 (CDMA) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_4_cdma__10a5316k.zip), 3GS (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__iphone_3gs__10a5316k.zip)

iPod touch
- Consumer: 4th Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/ios_6_beta__ipod_touch_4th_generation__10a5316k.dmg)
- Enterprise: 4th Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta_for_it/ios_6_beta__ipod_touch_4th_generation__10a5316k.zip)

Apple TV
- Consumer: 2nd Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/apple_tv_2nd_generation_software_update_beta.dmg), 3rd Generation (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/apple_tv_3rd_generation_software_update_beta.dmg)

Other iOS
- iOS 6 Beta Guide (PDF) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/btaguide_d1.pdf)
- Installing Apple TV Software (PDF) (http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/ios_6_beta/installing_apple_tv_software_update.pdf)

Safari 6
- Consumer: - Safari 6 Developer Preview for Lion (http://adcdownload.apple.com/Safari/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion.dmg), Uninstaller (http://adcdownload.apple.com/Safari/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion/safari_6_developer_preview_for_lion_uninstaller.dmg)

It is unclear whether the leaked list is intended to cover all of Apple's software releases for tomorrow, but we would also expect a new build of OS X Mountain Lion to appear as Apple moves closer to a public release.

(Thanks to @xystudioo on sina weibo!)

Article Link: Apple Releasing iOS 6 Beta Build 10A5316k and Safari 6 Developer Preview at WWDC? (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/10/apple-releasing-ios-6-beta-build-10a5316k-and-safari-6-developer-preview-at-wwdc/)

I seem to recall that the A4 in the original iPad is faster than the A4 in both the 4th gen iPod touch and the iPhone 4. Also that it is way faster than the CPU in the iPhone 3GS. Similarly, I seem to recall that the third gen iPod touch has faster innards than the iPhone 3GS, leading me to wonder exactly how and why support is being dropped for the first gen iPad and the third gen iPod touch and not the iPhone 3GS, the iPhone 4, and both the 3rd and 4th gen iPod touches. Though to be fair, iOS 5 is not as smooth on A4 devices as iOS 4 was or as iOS 5 is on A5 devices.

MacinDoc
Jun 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
Not going to be complaining if 3GS is dropped with iOS 7.

They used to have 2 phones on sale at the same time, now they have 3, next year 3GS will get replaced by iPhone 4 as the cheapest iPhone. So when iOS 7 comes out 3GS will not be on sale for a long time.

If 3GS gets iOS 6, that's 3 major updates(iOS 4, 5, 6) and that would be an industry gold standard, absolutely unmatched by other manufacturers/software companies.

But if they want to give 3GS users iOS 7, by all means Apple, go ahead...
I believe that the 3GS will be discontinued one year before iOS 7 is released. However, some buyers may not consider one year a "long time" for the product they purchased to be supported.

What I was trying to say, thought, is that Apple really has to offer at least one year of support for products currently being sold, so that's why I believe the 3GS will get iOS 6. Even then, some people will be unhappy, just as they were when iPhone 3G support was dropped.

nickn
Jun 10, 2012, 12:37 PM
If Apple releases the update for the 4th gen iPod, but not for the iPad 1, it will be a clear and indisputable example of how Apple screws their customers. The iPod 4th gen has slightly lower specs than the iPad 1, meaning if they don't release the software on the iPad 1, it it simply because they don't want to.

Though to be fair, iOS 5 is not as smooth on A4 devices as iOS 4 was or as iOS 5 is on A5 devices.
iOS 5 is an absolute disaster on A4 devices. Even if iOS 6 is available for my iPad 1, I certainly will not be updating myself. I do feel people should be allowed to update if they want though, and make their own decisions.

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 12:38 PM
Although a thought had just occurred to me. In terms of what iOS needs to do in running, is there not some difference between iOS on iPad versus iOS on iPod touch/iPhone? I mean, that still wouldn't explain the 3rd gen iPod touch (being superior in computing power to the iPhone 3GS) not having support when the iPhone 3GS does. But might comparing iOS 6 not running on a first gen iPad to it running on both a 4th gen iPod touch and an iPhone 4 be like comparing Apples to Oranges?


To be fair, iOS 5 on my first gen iPad has been glitchy and substantially slower. I have noticed nothing of that sort on my fourth gen iPod touch, though I don't notice the speed typically associated with say running the version of iOS that said iOS device shipped with.

YoNeX
Jun 10, 2012, 12:39 PM
According to this video (http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4858092.html), whats included in iOS 6 Beta:


No more Google Maps
Minor UI changes to Maps App
Dictionary App
Combination of App Store and iTunes Store into iStore
"Multitasking" in portrait mode

haydn!
Jun 10, 2012, 12:42 PM
I'd expect the 3GS to be dropped seem sale in September/October around the same time as the new iPhone launched and software support dropped before iOS7 ships.

So only existing users will be looking to update the software to iOS6. Then it's perfectly reasonable for anyone buying the 3GS now to not really get any software upgrade beyond 12 months. After all, its not that long ago that no phone came with software upgrades, not even bug fixes!

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 12:42 PM
According to this video (http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4858092.html), whats included in iOS 6 Beta:


No more Google Maps
Minor UI changes to Maps App
Dictionary App
Combination of App Store and iTunes Store into iStore
"Multitasking" in portrait mode


That video says build 10B24.

This thread says build 10A5316k

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
Combination of App Store and iTunes Store into iStore
[/LIST]

This would work on the iPad, it would suck on the iPod touch and iPhone; on the latter devices there is barely any room for more buttons on the bottom.

nickn
Jun 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
But might comparing iOS 6 not running on a first gen iPad to it running on both a 4th gen iPod touch and an iPhone 4 be like comparing Apples to Oranges?


Indeed, in fact the 4th gen iPod touch is slightly slower than the iPad 1.
See this for more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
If Apple screws their customers over yet again, and does exclude the iPad 1 from iOS 6, it will likely be because they simply want to get people to buy a new iPad.

SteveLV702
Jun 10, 2012, 12:45 PM
Now question what's the difference between consumer and enterprise builds? Never seen different ones before

WeegieMac
Jun 10, 2012, 12:46 PM
If Apple releases the update for the 4th gen iPod, but not for the iPad 1, it will be a clear and indisputable example of how Apple screws their customers. The iPod 4th gen has slightly lower specs than the iPad 1, meaning if they don't release the software on the iPad 1, it it simply because they don't want to.


iOS 5 is an absolute disaster on A4 devices. Even if iOS 6 is available for my iPad 1, I certainly will not be updating myself. I do feel people should be allowed to update if they want though, and make their own decisions.

Eh? The app opening animations returned to their smooth selves in iOS 5 on my iPhone 4 after the disaster of iOS 4.2 and above turned it into an inconsistent slide show and resulted in a widely reported plist fix being posted on these very forums.

"Disaster"? Don't talk rubbish.

bniu
Jun 10, 2012, 12:46 PM
So it looks like the 3GS will be getting iOS 6! Wasn't expecting that.

Man, the iPhone 3GS just won't die will it? Amazing how long it's lived compared to its predecessor who couldn't even survive the latter parts of its second iOS upgrade! (iOS 4)

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 12:47 PM
Indeed, in fact the 4th gen iPod touch is slightly slower than the iPad 1.
See this for more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
If Apple screws their customers over yet again, and does exclude the iPad 1 from iOS 6, it will likely be because they simply want to get people to buy a new iPad.

That's not necessarily true. The iPad 1 requires more graphics horsepower than the iPod touch does simply because of real estate.

Comeagain?
Jun 10, 2012, 12:50 PM
So the iPad 4 (2013) should be able to run iOs 7/8?

Probably...but planning ahead much?

crisss1205
Jun 10, 2012, 12:50 PM
According to this video (http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-4858092.html), whats included in iOS 6 Beta:


No more Google Maps
Minor UI changes to Maps App
Dictionary App
Combination of App Store and iTunes Store into iStore
"Multitasking" in portrait mode



That video is clearly fake. It is a jail broken phone with the iStore being a slide show. An I doubt a 12 year old kid has access to something only apple Employees have.

Cloudsurfer
Jun 10, 2012, 12:51 PM
I am most intrigued by 'installing software on Apple TV'

this is probably the most exciting thing for me tomorrow, an Apple TV app store! :D:apple:

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 12:53 PM
Now question what's the difference between consumer and enterprise builds? Never seen different ones before

Like I stated above, part of the enterprise versions probably allow Siri (if supported) and/or iCloud to be blocked, for security purposes. Also probably allows a lot more customization for IT departments.

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 12:55 PM
Indeed, in fact the 4th gen iPod touch is slightly slower than the iPad 1.
See this for more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
If Apple screws their customers over yet again, and does exclude the iPad 1 from iOS 6, it will likely be because they simply want to get people to buy a new iPad.

I more meant isn't the operating system itself different between iPad and iPhone/iPod touch in the same vein that there are sometimes apps that are not universal and thusly an iPad version designed more in line with the iPad's screen and hardware and a version for the iPhone/iPod touch? Or is it more or less the same OS just with a larger screen?

I ask because, if iOS on the iPad is entirely different from iOS on iPhone/iPod touch, then saying that it can't run on a first generation iPad where it can on a fourth gen iPod touch or an iPhone 4 means little as, by that logic, it's a different OS and one would be comparing Apples to Oranges.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 12:56 PM
I am most intrigued by 'installing software on Apple TV'

this is probably the most exciting thing for me tomorrow, an Apple TV app store! :D:apple:

That file is always there whenever a new build of Apple TV software comes out. It's always a pdf file and simply explains how to install the software using a mini-usb connector.

I'm also guessing this mythical "Apple TV OS" is either nonexistent or they are announcing a new tier to the Dev portal and it wasn't listed simply because the person wasn't a "member" yet.

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 01:01 PM
Like I stated above, part of the enterprise versions probably allow Siri (if supported) and/or iCloud to be blocked, for security purposes. Also probably allows a lot more customization for IT departments.

IT departments wouldn't be using beta software. The only way IT departments would be on-board for that feature is if it was something Apple rolled out with iOS 6; though given their previous stance on Microsoft's many editions for one OS nonsense, that'd be somewhat surprising.

nickn
Jun 10, 2012, 01:02 PM
Safari on OS X is really good in my experience, I don't know how people cope without the gestures & iCloud syncing between iOS.
HAHA!!! are you kidding? I turned off iCloud as fast as I could.

But if 3GS support is dropped in iOS 7, then those who buy the 3GS now will get only 1 year of support. There's no way Apple could drop 3GS support less than a year after they stopped selling it, that would be a PR nightmare. They will probably drop the 3GS and introduce the new iPhone when iOS 6 is publicly available.

Apple already screwed over iPod touch 2nd Gen users by doing this, so they could certainly do it again. Those users got even got less support though, as the 8GB iPod Touch 2nd Gens were shipped with iOS4, and never allowed to go to iOS5. People who bought their 2nd gens later got zero OS upgrades.


But I really do agree that it's surprising the iPad 1 isn't on there.
Kinda strange that 3GS will get iOS 6 but not iPad 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

I Considering some of the apple apps like iMovie or iPhoto wont even work on an iPad 1 because they claim this.
The apps do work, its just that Apple wants you to buy a new iPad to use them. People have hacked those apps to work on the iPad 1, and they work fine.


I wish they had the option to just buy the OS, though. But then Apple would have to keep adding support for older devices, which is annoying to do.
They hire how many tens of thousands of people? I really don't think it would take them long to do anything, even if it is "annoying".

Lucky736
Jun 10, 2012, 01:03 PM
I hope the next Safari will be available on 10.6 as well. I am not a big fan of 10.7 and unless 10.8 proves to be an update I am not expecting, things are cooking right along on 10.6 and I hope to keep it that way.

theonekcrow
Jun 10, 2012, 01:07 PM
The apps do work, its just that Apple wants you to buy a new iPad to use them. People have hacked those apps to work on the iPad 1, and they work fine.


I completely forgot that people were able to hack those to work.

GoGa
Jun 10, 2012, 01:10 PM
The apps do work, its just that Apple wants you to buy a new iPad to use them. People have hacked those apps to work on the iPad 1, and they work fine.


Yes they work, but they are extreemly laggy and slow.

Yebubbleman
Jun 10, 2012, 01:13 PM
I hope the next Safari will be available on 10.6 as well. I am not a big fan of 10.7 and unless 10.8 proves to be an update I am not expecting, things are cooking right along on 10.6 and I hope to keep it that way.

To be fair, I prefer Snow Leopard to Lion as well, though Lion is growing on me and realistically, as awesome as Snow Leopard is, support for it ending is inevitable and fast approaching at this point. To stay with the platform and be able to run the latest version of Flash Player, Firefox, Safari and iTunes, it is inevitable that you will have to upgrade. iTunes is pretty good about being supported on older versions of the OS, hence the latest version still running well on Leopard. Flash Player and Firefox are starting to get aggressive in terms of how old the oldest supported build of OS X can be.

ShiftyPig
Jun 10, 2012, 01:15 PM
That would be widgets* aaaand ... ? And please don't say Flash now.

* Which already exist in the Notification Center.

Actually I meant the ability to install my own apps, GPS spoofing, scrollable dock, etc.... you know, things that someone might want/need in lieu of having their hand held because they can't be trusted to not **** up their phone.

Cod3rror
Jun 10, 2012, 01:18 PM
Man, the iPhone 3GS just won't die will it? Amazing how long it's lived compared to its predecessor who couldn't even survive the latter parts of its second iOS upgrade! (iOS 4)

ARM Cortex A8 is an amazing CPU.

iPhone 4 has the same.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 01:19 PM
Actually I meant the ability to install my own apps, GPS spoofing, scrollable dock, etc.... you know, things that someone might want/need in lieu of having their hand held because they can't be trusted to not **** up their phone.

Right. Apple has really been working hard on getting your "average consumer" the ability to spoof the GPS.

:rolleyes:

nickn
Jun 10, 2012, 01:20 PM
Yes they work, but they are extreemly laggy and slow.
I know, look at how laggy and slow it is... He had to wait a whole 2-3 seconds at some points in the video!!!!! The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLPI0Lc2f4I

davids8477
Jun 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
My only wish is that they open up the ATV to other streams, Hulu Plus, Amazon etc.

Piggie
Jun 10, 2012, 01:23 PM
Oh good - inch by inch it's coming!!:cool:

Amazing. :eek:

That's exactly what my Girlfriend said to me :D

ShiftyPig
Jun 10, 2012, 01:24 PM
Right. Apple has really been working hard on getting your "average consumer" the ability to spoof the GPS.

:rolleyes:

It really isn't rocket science to let someone set the GPS coordinates. Or, even easier, allowing apps that do it. But nah, an "average user" might accidentally leave it on and end up tying up the Genius Bar line because their navigation doesn't work.

Peace
Jun 10, 2012, 01:26 PM
It really isn't rocket science to let someone set the GPS coordinates. Or, even easier, allowing apps that do it. But nah, an "average user" might accidentally leave it on and end up tying up the Genius Bar line because their navigation doesn't work.

You said GPS spoofing. Do you really think Apple want's to open the door to thieves and other people that would use GPS spoofing to hide from the law ?

AppleGuesser
Jun 10, 2012, 01:30 PM
ARM Cortex A8 is an amazing CPU.

iPhone 4 has the same.

Outside of Retina display, it is easily my favorite iphone for many reasons :D

Long live the 3GS :D

ShiftyPig
Jun 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
You said GPS spoofing. Do you really think Apple want's to open the door to thieves and other people that would use GPS spoofing to hide from the law ?

Hide from the law? So let me get this straight - you think that law enforcement has access to GPS data? Who would they subpoena to get it? Or.... spoiler alert, since it's actually the case... would they subpoena the phone company that can provide tower data as the phone still has contact with a cell tower that - wait for it - can't be spoofed.

Yeah, you definitely need your hand held when it comes to your phone. Embarrassing. I mean really, do you think that if someone sets their GPS coordinates to the middle of the ocean that he/she instantly loses cell service?

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 01:37 PM
I know, look at how laggy and slow it is... He had to wait a whole 2-3 seconds at some points in the video!!!!! The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLPI0Lc2f4I
"As you can see it's pretty fast. No lag."

No, what I saw was choppy loading animations and it slowing down and getting more choppy as he added clips, especially when shortening them.

As an avid iOS iMovie user it would annoy me to use it at that speed. Sure it's usable but it definitely isn't the experience Apple wants to give its customers.

CaryMacGuy
Jun 10, 2012, 01:44 PM
Why is the iPhone 3GS supported but not the first iPad. It doesn't make sense. The hardware in the iPad is way better than that of the iPhone 3GS. I am guessing that all pre-2010 hardware will not be supported in iOS 6. To me it was a given that the iPad would support iOS 6. :(

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Why is the iPhone 3GS supported but not the first iPad. It doesn't make sense. The hardware in the iPad is way better than that of the iPhone 3GS. I am guessing that all pre-2010 hardware will not be supported in iOS 6. To me it was a given that the iPad would support iOS 6. :(

The 3GS is still being sold, unlike the original iPad.

AznTakumi
Jun 10, 2012, 01:52 PM
Does this mean I could just download ios6 tomorrow on my iphone?

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 01:53 PM
Does this mean I could just download ios6 tomorrow on my iphone?

No, you have to be a developer. (And even then, you wouldn't want to install it on your main device--early iOS betas are very buggy.)

mabaker
Jun 10, 2012, 01:54 PM
iOS 5 is fast on a 3GS as long as you don't run more than 5 apps at the same time. I have actually never doubted they will support it through iOS 6.

Dropping iPad support is bad - I do enjoy it very much under iOS5 but the lack of RAM makes its performance unacceptable at times.

AznTakumi
Jun 10, 2012, 01:56 PM
I agree with you on the ipad wish there was a way to restore it back.

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 01:58 PM
The 3GS is still being sold, unlike the original iPad.
OT: I really wish MR would update the original post with a FAQ section with factual/theoretical answers to the most common questions. I drives me nuts to see people read/skim the original post and then reply without reading the thread. It's understandable when threads get this length and that could help.

Failurbydesign
Jun 10, 2012, 02:01 PM
At 11 tomorrow, I'm going to be totally worthless at work..ha ha

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 02:04 PM
OT: I really wish MR would update the original post with a FAQ section with factual/theoretical answers to the most common questions. I drives me nuts to see people read/skim the original post and then reply without reading the thread. It's understandable when threads get this length and that could help.

Maybe they should add a theory to it :)

RalfTheDog
Jun 10, 2012, 02:18 PM
Is it true that all the MR staff will be starting their vacation at 8:00am tomorrow morning? No new posts for two weeks? :eek:

:)

joelvega125
Jun 10, 2012, 02:25 PM
Oh good - inch by inch it's coming!!:cool:

That's what she said...

ChrisTX
Jun 10, 2012, 02:37 PM
Same. I regret putting iOS 5 on it.

I guess the iPad, and iPhone 4 are a bit different, because iOS 5 made my iPhone 4 buttery smooth!

MadGoat
Jun 10, 2012, 02:49 PM
Amazing. :eek:

That's exactly what my Girlfriend said to me :D

Must have been a short conversation.

Tunster
Jun 10, 2012, 02:51 PM
Why is everyone panicking over iOS6 not available for the iPad 1? For a device starting out on iOS3 and being a trial product (low-spec's which created less risk for Apple if tablets didn't take off), it makes sense.

iOS5 is absolutely perfect for iPad 1. Plenty of popular apps will still support iOS to keep legacy devices in check. But there's only so long you can support a product with new software and Apple does it more than anyone else (unlike Android!).

MadGoat
Jun 10, 2012, 02:53 PM
IT departments wouldn't be using beta software. The only way IT departments would be on-board for that feature is if it was something Apple rolled out with iOS 6; though given their previous stance on Microsoft's many editions for one OS nonsense, that'd be somewhat surprising.

I've been with many it departments and we started evaluating things as they came out in beta. We needed to plan ahead.

Vundu
Jun 10, 2012, 02:58 PM
Why is the iPhone 3GS supported but not the first iPad. It doesn't make sense. The hardware in the iPad is way better than that of the iPhone 3GS. I am guessing that all pre-2010 hardware will not be supported in iOS 6. To me it was a given that the iPad would support iOS 6. :(

How does it not make sense? Apple still sell the 3GS. They do not sell the iPad 1 anymore.

kiwiboi87
Jun 10, 2012, 03:05 PM
well thats a bit of a surprised, wasn't expecting the first iPad to be dropped.
I'm happy i didn't buy that one second hand last week.

its goo that the 3GS is still supported, given hat they still sell it. would be a mad move to drop support for it.
i can see it going as far as 6.1,

i hope the leaked links and iOS 6 builds, will stop people going on about a new iPhone for tomorrow, even theres no build for a new iPhone shows that apple won't be launching it tomorrow,


its monday in New Zealand, i woke up expecting to see news on the keynote, i forgot for a second we are ahead of the US.

Piggie
Jun 10, 2012, 03:11 PM
Must have been a short conversation.

She counted to 12 and then her eyes glazed over :D

We're not having any video feeds from this are we?

mattydee87
Jun 10, 2012, 03:11 PM
well thats a bit of a surprised, wasn't expecting the first iPad to be dropped.
I'm happy i didn't buy that one second hand last week.

its goo that the 3GS is still supported, given hat they still sell it. would be a mad move to drop support for it.
i can see it going as far as 6.1,

i hope the leaked links and iOS 6 builds, will stop people going on about a new iPhone for tomorrow, even theres no build for a new iPhone shows that apple won't be launching it tomorrow,


its monday in New Zealand, i woke up expecting to see news on the keynote, i forgot for a second we are ahead of the US.

I disagree about it meaning there won't be a new iPhone. Why would Apple release beta firmware for a phone that isn't out yet for people to test? If it exists it will ship with the GM and not a beta so no need for any beta links.

Sunbelt
Jun 10, 2012, 03:14 PM
Regardless what happens tomorrow, when I get the new iPhone in Oct.?, it will be better than the Android I have now. Don't ask.

shandyman
Jun 10, 2012, 03:15 PM
i hope the leaked links and iOS 6 builds, will stop people going on about a new iPhone for tomorrow, even theres no build for a new iPhone shows that apple won't be launching it tomorrow,


Well you could argue they just didn't find the links as there was no link for a new iTunes either and there's usually one with a new iOS beta..... :p

Macclone
Jun 10, 2012, 03:16 PM
IT departments wouldn't be using beta software. The only way IT departments would be on-board for that feature is if it was something Apple rolled out with iOS 6; though given their previous stance on Microsoft's many editions for one OS nonsense, that'd be somewhat surprising.

You can already shut these off with MDM software.

pmau
Jun 10, 2012, 03:18 PM
I disagree about it meaning there won't be a new iPhone. Why would Apple release beta firmware for a phone that isn't out yet for people to test? If it exists it will ship with the GM and not a beta so no need for any beta links.

There's no need to show off the competitor for the holiday season before september/october.

Apple does not need to disclose the design at all. Devs are used to support different resolutions.

The main point will be (in my opinion):
* Facebook or other social integration
* Siri API
* Maps API
* New Multitasking / Widget API

All of these can be tested in the simulator.

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 03:19 PM
well thats a bit of a surprised, wasn't expecting the first iPad to be dropped.
I'm happy i didn't buy that one second hand last week.

its goo that the 3GS is still supported, given hat they still sell it. would be a mad move to drop support for it.
i can see it going as far as 6.1,

i hope the leaked links and iOS 6 builds, will stop people going on about a new iPhone for tomorrow, even theres no build for a new iPhone shows that apple won't be launching it tomorrow,


its monday in New Zealand, i woke up expecting to see news on the keynote, i forgot for a second we are ahead of the US.

Actually I'm not surprised that iPad 1 was dropped.

But pretty surprised why 3GS wasn't. Its pretty old. If 3GS is supported why not iPod Touch 3rd gen and iPad 1.

shandyman
Jun 10, 2012, 03:21 PM
But pretty surprised why 3GS wasn't. Its pretty old. If 3GS is supported why not iPod Touch 3rd gen and iPad 1.

Cos the 3GS is still sold but the latter 2 aren't. As has been stated many times already....

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 03:25 PM
Cos the 3GS is still sold but the latter 2 aren't. As has been stated many times already....

I know that.

But like I said the 3GS is pretty old. Apple shouldn't make it bad if it can't handle it. Of course if they can make iOS 6 run smoothly on the 3GS they should, but if they can't, there's no reason why they should allow 3GS to support it.

shandyman
Jun 10, 2012, 03:29 PM
I know that.

But like I said the 3GS is pretty old. Apple shouldn't make it bad if it can't handle it. Of course if they can make iOS 6 run smoothly on the 3GS they should, but if they can't, there's no reason why they should allow 3GS to support it.

Obviously it won't have all the features that the 4/4S will have. Like earlier iOS versions that have been released on older devices. No different this time. One would assume they're releasing it so it's compatible and will work.

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 03:30 PM
There's no need to show off the competitor for the holiday season before september/october.

Apple does not need to disclose the design at all. Devs are used to support different resolutions.

The main point will be (in my opinion):
* Facebook or other social integration
* Siri API
* Maps API
* New Multitasking / Widget API

All of these can be tested in the simulator.
Good point. Let's also not forget that Apple may be keeping other things out of the beta that don't need dev API testing. However, for resolution changes Apple wants apps that are ready for launch. They'll announce iOS6 now and may not include resolution changes till a separate iPhone announcement. I find that unlikely though.

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 03:30 PM
Just curious if you guys think that Apple will continue to sell the iPad 2 when the iPad - 4th gen comes out (march 2013)?

I know I'm getting ahead of everything, but would Apple sell three types of iPads like what there doing with the iPhone?

This certainly seems to be like a new direction Apple is taking.

jclardy
Jun 10, 2012, 03:31 PM
It is a bit disconcerting that the first iPad is being dropped. If there aren't many major UI changes I will be extremely concerned.

The main reason is that the iPad should have a life span of more than two years. With a phone, you get a subsidy every two years as your contract expires. Buying an iPad is more akin to buying a laptop, as you buy it outright.

Hopefully the falloff window is extended over the years, as the iPad 2 is pretty similar in performance to the new iPad. This drop was probably due to 256MB of RAM.

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 03:36 PM
It is a bit disconcerting that the first iPad is being dropped. If there aren't many major UI changes I will be extremely concerned.

The main reason is that the iPad should have a life span of more than two years. With a phone, you get a subsidy every two years as your contract expires. Buying an iPad is more akin to buying a laptop, as you buy it outright.

Hopefully the falloff window is extended over the years, as the iPad 2 is pretty similar in performance to the new iPad. This drop was probably due to 256MB of RAM.

Well its because Apple still sells the 3GS...

But if the iPad 1 could support at least some features of iOS 6, I hope Apple does allow it.

PBF
Jun 10, 2012, 03:40 PM
I'm praying for Safari 6 for Mountain Lion as well. Please. :o

TallManNY
Jun 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
Do people think that Siri will be added to iPhone 4 with the upgrade to iOS 6? I assume Siri is coming to all Macs with the Mountain Lion upgrade.

With all these people using Siri, I wonder how "smart" the voice recognition will get and how fast it will "learn".

I will probably upgrade to iPhone 5, but I'm looking forward to my 4 learning some new tricks for the summer.

richman555
Jun 10, 2012, 03:44 PM
Something must be changing on Apple TV if it warrants an update. Could it actually bring apps?

No, but it does also run iOS which is why it needs an update. You never know though. :)

CmdrLaForge
Jun 10, 2012, 03:46 PM
The 3GS is still being sold, unlike the original iPad.

Yes, I understand the marketing reasons. The point being made about iPad 1 is on the technical aspect.

Me and others expect Apple to support the hardware if technical feasible. This seems to be the case based on the support of the 3GS.

mattburley7
Jun 10, 2012, 03:46 PM
safari 6? i wonder what will be different? we are at 5.2 beta currently.. will that be released tomorrow in final form than and 6 when mountain lion is released or iOS 6 is released?

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 03:49 PM
Yes, I understand the marketing reasons. The point being made about iPad 1 is on the technical aspect.

Me and others expect Apple to support the hardware if technical feasible. This seems to be the case based on the support of the 3GS.

It's a marketing / business decision that the original iPad isn't supported. Apples does what Apple wants. It's their prerogative.

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 03:50 PM
Do people think that Siri will be added to iPhone 4 with the upgrade to iOS 6? I assume Siri is coming to all Macs with the Mountain Lion upgrade.

With all these people using Siri, I wonder how "smart" the voice recognition will get and how fast it will "learn".

I will probably upgrade to iPhone 5, but I'm looking forward to my 4 learning some new tricks for the summer.

Siri will probably be for every device after iPhone 4S so the new iPad will get it.

Just doesnt seem like something Apple would do...

macmastersam
Jun 10, 2012, 03:57 PM
IOS 6 will definatly be dropped for the first iPad and the 3rd gen iPod touch. Just saw from the iOS page on my Facebook. Anyone else got the same thing?

mattburley7
Jun 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
here is what I'm thinking is coming tomorrow...

iOS 6 beta
Safari 6 developer preview
Mountain Lion developer preview 4
iTunes 11 beta


and for non beta software..

iTunes 10.7
Safari 5.2

morechicken
Jun 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
Apple is more and more iOS only. OSX is going to die. I feel sorry.

SeaFox
Jun 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
I WILL BE PISSED IF THERE WILL BE NO IOS 6 ON 3rd GEN IPOD TOUCH.
On the plus side, this most certainly means there will be a new iPod Touch released. I wanted to get one last year but since they didn't update it I passed. I wanted a better camera.

Will pass again if it it based off the iPhone 4S design this time (no 16:9 screen).

MisterK
Jun 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
Not sure if anyone mentioned this (or if I'm being crazy) but doesn't the texture behind the iOS 6 icon look like a fingerprint?

I don't know what that means... upcoming biometrics on the iPhone 5 to authenticate an NFC purchase maybe?

Just a fun and wild guess. If it happens remember that you heard it from MisterK first!

mattburley7
Jun 10, 2012, 04:03 PM
oh it says safari 6 for lion? what about mountain lion? are they getting 6 or something else? :confused: guess we will know tomorrow. I'm still expecting 5.2 to be out tomorrow for everyone.

richman555
Jun 10, 2012, 04:03 PM
Not sure if anyone mentioned this (or if I'm being crazy) but doesn't the texture behind the iOS 6 icon look like a fingerprint?

I don't know what that means... upcoming biometrics on the iPhone 5 to authenticate an NFC purchase maybe?

Just a fun and wild guess. If it happens remember that you heard it from MisterK first!

I believe you are right (and I give you credit). If you look at the "ripples" in the logo, they are very much like a fingerprint. :D

MacinDoc
Jun 10, 2012, 04:03 PM
here is what I'm thinking is coming tomorrow...

iOS 6 beta
Safari 6 developer preview
Mountain Lion developer preview 4
iTunes 11 beta


and for non beta software..

iTunes 10.7
Safari 5.2
Sounds realistic.

Sensamic
Jun 10, 2012, 04:05 PM
If the 3GS gets iOS 6 then the iPhone 4 should also get iOS 7, right? Maybe Apple will still be selling it by then...

kiwiboi87
Jun 10, 2012, 04:05 PM
If the 3GS gets iOS 6 then the iPhone 4 should also get iOS 7, right? By then it should keep being sold...

agreed,
hopefully

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 04:09 PM
Not sure if anyone mentioned this (or if I'm being crazy) but doesn't the texture behind the iOS 6 icon look like a fingerprint?

I don't know what that means... upcoming biometrics on the iPhone 5 to authenticate an NFC purchase maybe?

Just a fun and wild guess. If it happens remember that you heard it from MisterK first!
I was going to refute you but on closer inspection you could be right.

Not sure how that would factor into the leaked case design we've been seeing.

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/6.png

AppvanceTech
Jun 10, 2012, 04:13 PM
If 3GS gets iOS 6, that's 3 major updates(iOS 4, 5, 6) and that would be an industry gold standard, absolutely unmatched by other manufacturers/software companies.


hopefully they can rid away some of the lagging it has though. That would be golden.

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I was going to refute you but on closer inspection you could be right.

Not sure how that would factor into the leaked case design we've been seeing.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/6.png)

I've taken several forensic classes and unfortunately that is far from a finger print. The ridges would interweave with each other. Looks more like water ripples.

FoxMcCloud
Jun 10, 2012, 04:13 PM
You lot will believe anything. So I'll give it a shot.

Hey! I've just found an alpha link to Mac OSXI!

http://adcdownload.apple.com/mac_osxi_alpha.dmg

ct2k7
Jun 10, 2012, 04:14 PM
You lot will believe anything. So I'll give it a shot.

Hey! I've just found an alpha link to Mac OSXI!

http://adcdownload.apple.com/mac_osxi_alpha.dmg

Access Denied = file doesn't exist.
Session Token Expired = other error, file exists.

FoxMcCloud
Jun 10, 2012, 04:17 PM
Or you aren't allowed access to the super secret file!

My work pass doesn't let me in to a secret room in the building, saying Access Denied. Does that mean the room doesn't exist?? :confused:

Lol oh well.

I tell you what though, many people will be mightily disappointed when only half of these rumours or less come true. There will be many silent releases I think, in line with previous years.

Blackforge
Jun 10, 2012, 04:21 PM
I'm wondering if the Enterprise version is finally the feature that iOS4 was originally supposed to have. That is, the ability to just wipe the company confidential data from the phone, but leave everything else intact. That would mean data like Mail, Contacts and Calendar would only be affected and nothing else. Much better for when you're dealing with terminating employees. They tend to get cranky when you wipe their devices and all their content ;)

nick_elt
Jun 10, 2012, 04:22 PM
I still wish apple never released ios4 for the 3g. It ruined it. Updating an old device to the latest software is not always the best idea.

marksman
Jun 10, 2012, 04:23 PM
Wow the 3rd generation iPhone will run the 6th generation of the os. I imagine android users can not even comprehend what kind of hardware and os combined support that is.

This is why the iPhone platform has long term value and probable why android outsells iOS handsets. Apple users can use the same phone for three to four years and stay current. Android users have to buy three to four phones during that same time frame. To get the actual number of android users you must divide phones sold by three.

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 04:27 PM
oh it says safari 6 for lion? what about mountain lion? are they getting 6 or something else? :confused: guess we will know tomorrow. I'm still expecting 5.2 to be out tomorrow for everyone.

The latest Safari is always included in the latest ML preview.

pmau
Jun 10, 2012, 04:28 PM
I'm wondering if the Enterprise version is finally the feature that iOS4 was originally supposed to have. That is, the ability to just wipe the company confidential data from the phone, but leave everything else intact. That would mean data like Mail, Contacts and Calendar would only be affected and nothing else. Much better for when you're dealing with terminating employees. They tend to get cranky when you wipe their devices and all their content ;)

I guess you can create your own CA if you are part of the enterprise dev program.
This means you can sign Apps with your company's certificate instead of Apple's.

Not for the Store, just for mass-distribution within your company.

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The latest Safari is always included in the latest ML preview.

Maybe they just extend iCloud and WebGL support and sell it as the hottest innovation ever...

Sven11
Jun 10, 2012, 04:31 PM
They support the 3GS but not the first iPad? Makes no sense.

Waterfles
Jun 10, 2012, 04:42 PM
Maybe they found a way to make IOS run as flued, as water is. cause of the support of the 3GS. If true it remains wierd why there was no iPad 1 download link present.

I was going to refute you but on closer inspection you could be right.

Not sure how that would factor into the leaked case design we've been seeing.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/6.png)

Glideslope
Jun 10, 2012, 04:44 PM
Long live the 3GS. It will be interesting to see if it makes it to the release. :apple:

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
I still wish apple never released ios4 for the 3g. It ruined it. Updating an old device to the latest software is not always the best idea.
It is shocking that they released iOS 4 for the 3G. It really made it unusable. My wife's is so slow and crashes so often even she (a non techie) complains about it.

Glideslope
Jun 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
They support the 3GS but not the first iPad? Makes no sense.

Seriously? The 1st gen iPad has just been declared dead by Apple.

Forced upgrade baby!! :apple:

ictiosapiens
Jun 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
Wow the 3rd generation iPhone will run the 6th generation of the os. I imagine android users can not even comprehend what kind of hardware and os combined support that is.



I think in the Android world, the only line of phones that follows a similar upgrade path to iOS is the Nexus line. And I'm sure any Nexus owner wouldn't really struggle that much comprehending anything, in fact they'd struggle to understand, how we iOS users comprehend and happily accept the amount of artificial limitations imposed on us without an option for advanced users to remove them...

Warbrain
Jun 10, 2012, 04:48 PM
I was going to refute you but on closer inspection you could be right.

Not sure how that would factor into the leaked case design we've been seeing.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/6.png)

He's far from right. It's ripples in water.

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 04:48 PM
hopefully they can rid away some of the lagging it has though. That would be golden.

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I've taken several forensic classes and unfortunately that is far from a finger print. The ridges would interweave with each other. Looks more like water ripples.
My guess is that it's just an effect that Forstall and Cook liked.

If Apple were giving anything away with the iOS 5 icon they would've released waterproof iDevices. Obviously that didn't happen.

kiljoy616
Jun 10, 2012, 04:48 PM
It looks like my iPod touch 3G is finally too old to get updates. I don't get it when the 3GS has a slower CPU and the rest of the specs are the same.

The phone is not been dropped because Apple has to think of the providers (At&t, Verison...).:rolleyes:

They are making money off 3GS users still. Everything else gets no incentives for Apple to continue working on except the end users. The iPhone will continue to be supported way longer than anything else, so don't expect Siri on the iPad 2 after all its old tech in apples eyes. Yes iPhone 4S is basically an iPad 2 spec.

iPad 2 gets minimum functionality from here on out and probably will get a nice drop off once iPad 4th Gen. comes out. :(

Oh well like it really matters that what business tax deductions are for:D

tkhan456
Jun 10, 2012, 04:57 PM
If these are just previews and betas, does that mean none of these will be ready tomorrow

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2012, 04:59 PM
If these are just previews and betas, does that mean none of these will be ready tomorrow

Correct.

QuarterSwede
Jun 10, 2012, 04:59 PM
If these are just previews and betas, does that mean none of these will be ready tomorrow
Correct.

shandyman
Jun 10, 2012, 05:00 PM
If these are just previews and betas, does that mean none of these will be ready tomorrow

Correct. Beta only for a coupla months. Same as every year. Just this time, like last year, the iOS announcement is at WWDC not at a seperate event in April/may.

Cod3rror
Jun 10, 2012, 05:09 PM
I know that.

But like I said the 3GS is pretty old. Apple shouldn't make it bad if it can't handle it. Of course if they can make iOS 6 run smoothly on the 3GS they should, but if they can't, there's no reason why they should allow 3GS to support it.

Hey, here's an idea, if you don't want iOS 6, DO NOT UPDATE.

landroverz7
Jun 10, 2012, 05:11 PM
They should just drop iPhone 3GS support, so Tim Cook can just come out and say IOS 6 for A4 processors and up, so he has more time to announce new stuff :)

B777Forevar
Jun 10, 2012, 05:12 PM
iOS 4 was hell for the 3G. I wonder how iOS6 will be for the 3G[s]

sekazi
Jun 10, 2012, 05:12 PM
Um, buy a new one!

Why when Apple refuses to release a 128GB.

irDigital0l
Jun 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
Hey, here's an idea, if you don't want iOS 6, DO NOT UPDATE.

Why wouldn't I want iOS 6 on my iPhone 4?

ITGuy
Jun 10, 2012, 05:33 PM
The iPhone 3GS is still a great seller, and it will be used to grow smartphone market share in developing/emerging markets where low cost prepaid phones are the norm. The low cost iPhone 3GS with iOS 6 will be seen as a better alternative to the low cost phones running older versions of Android.