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MacRumors
Jun 11, 2012, 09:45 AM
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9to5Mac has now published (http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/11/and-now-the-d2-macbook-pro-retina-specs-and-price/) specs on the Retina-display 15-inch MacBook Pro models that are apparently arriving alongside updated versions (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/details-on-new-mac-pro-and-macbook-pro-specs-surface-retina-notebook-still-under-wraps/) of the existing form factor. Notably, the new machines include options ranging up to 16 GB of RAM and 768 GB of solid-state storage.MC975LL/A - MBP 15.4/2.3/8GB/256GB FLASH-USA
MC976LL/A - MBP 15.4/2.6/8GB/512GB FLASH-USA
MD831LL/A - MBP 15.4/2.7/16GB/768GB FLASH-USAExact pricing has not yet been confirmed, but the high-end model is said to be exceeding the equivalent of $4000 in some countries.

Article Link: Retina MacBook Pro Arriving with Up to 16 GB RAM and 768 GB SSD (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/retina-macbook-pro-arriving-with-up-to-16-gb-ram-and-768-gb-ssd/)



Andy-V
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
That price!

JNSC
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
aghhhhhhhh KEYNOTE GET HERE ALREADY

samac92
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
Bargain.

But seriously I wish I could justify buying the top end model :P

basesloaded190
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
I can't even imagine the pricing for a 15" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a 768GB SSD :eek:

Liquinn
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
Where's the 13"?

CrystalPepsi
Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
9to5 is pretty spot on, but they could have at least given a source. Even a "someone familiar with the situation" would have sufficed.

themcfly
Jun 11, 2012, 09:48 AM
Lolepic

orangebluedevil
Jun 11, 2012, 09:48 AM
But more importantly, this doesn't say anything about the thickness (thinness) of these machines. That's the interesting part to me.

EDIT: I agree with Peace below, 768 has got to be a BTO option.

I8P'CS
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
If your not desperate buy your standard new model MBP and upgrade to a retina MAC when prices full (2-3 refreshes), bound to happen. Those that need it photographers /writers etc might buy now as the money will be recouped if pro.

Feed Me
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Mid tier retina MBP: you're mine

Nicolas4ever
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
ΟΗ ΜΥ...

Sue De Nimes
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
I can't even imagine the pricing for a 15" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a 768GB SSD :eek:

About $4000?

:D

omgitswes
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
As nice as that sounds there will be no way I can afford that. I can't even afford a 768 gb SSD by itself right now

Peace
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
These are BTO options kids.

neilpryde23
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Why does it go MC975 and MC976 and jump to MD831??

If this is true though, I'm going to be all over that 2.6 gHz, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD!! :)

CausticPuppy
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Rich early adopters rejoice. For the rest of us, normal Macbook Pro's with faster components.

It'll take some time before the retina screens trickle down to the rest of the line and to the Airs.

q64ceo
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
I think someone is on an epic trollfest today

coder12
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Dang, that's one beefy upgrade! And it's gonna come at one face-slapping price for a 768gb Ssd!

maehara
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
I'm waiting for the post-Keynote report card on all these rumours. Have a suspicion that 9to5 is not going to score well.

Michaelgtrusa
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Good news.

gugy
Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
I hope there is a 17 inch version.

sfwalter
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
Im wondering where the thunderbolt, firewire, ethernet ports are. I really dont like ports being on both sides

basesloaded190
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
These are BTO options kids.

Obviously, but expensive nonetheless.

soulniz
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
Now, what about the 13.3" MBP?

gto55
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/05/20//1105201209571095928185753.gif

F3ynman
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
Hmm... Macbook Pro, or down payment on Porsche? I just can't decide...

That price is crazy.

GBPac12
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
From all the rumors the only one that I don't want to become true is that PRICE!!!!!

AlanFord
Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
4k $ :eek: :confused:
Is Apple converting to selling space shuttles or laptops ?

niuniu
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
Well the RAM and SSD's will meet user expectations. The prices are going to push some MBP guys into iMacs I suspect though. Maybe not in the US, but in the UK and parts of Europe.. going to be hard to afford these.

Lets see though. Can't wait for the official release :)

appleguy123
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
I just hope that retina display isn't build to order or more expensive on its own. I get that the SSDs will rape the wallet.

Peace
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
Obviously, but expensive nonetheless.

Top of the line options are always expensive. Even in the PC world.

Haarith :)
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
What the **** with the price!!

mickbab
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
Well I'll be darned.

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
OH GOD YES PLEASE.

Wonder if we'll get a better graphics chip/card in this one.

jt562
Jun 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
Only Apple could manipulate us in rumouring right before they announce the real thing. No other company.

Battlefield Fan
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
4k? is that all?

RalfTheDog
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
I would take a thicker, heavier 17 inch version with longer battery life any day. Reducing the size of the screen so you can have a higher DPI is not a good trade.

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
What the **** with the price!!

SSD cost.

Moonjumper
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
Now I understand why the MBP line will live on alongside the Retina MacBook: Price. Assuming these rumours are correct...

ECCLESIAST
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
I hope the 8GB ones are under 3000$

whiteonline
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
pffft.
No terabyte option? Pass.

:rolleyes:

wildspin
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
delicious!:)

Tatonnement
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 AM
High-end MBP you're mine! Bwhahahahhahaha!!!

Tom8
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
Jesus christ. Those specs are insane. $4000 for top end model though, ouch.

charlieegan3
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
Hope to god I can afford this...

CmdrLaForge
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
I can't even imagine the pricing for a 15" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a 768GB SSD :eek:

I want one for sure. Guess I cannot afford it :o

benspratling
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
That, I would buy. :) Glad they got 16GB RAM in there. I really need it. But @ $4k? Then there won't be a 27" monitor to go along with it. :( Maybe there's a non-SSD option for much cheaper?

MasterHowl
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
Best get saving. :|

Shivetya
Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
I can't even imagine the pricing for a 15" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a 768GB SSD :eek:

Oh I can, the problem is I quickly rattle off in my head all the justifications for why I need one.

maehara
Jun 11, 2012, 09:54 AM
4k? is that all?

They heard people saying they wanted "4k something or other..." Got confused about whether it was screens or pricetags, apparently. :D

Anki
Jun 11, 2012, 09:55 AM
It's like I was blind but now I can see. I am so ready for this.

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 09:55 AM
Oh I can, the problem is I quickly rattle off in my head all the justifications for why I need one.

Because.

till
Jun 11, 2012, 09:56 AM
I was looking forward to buying a new MBA, but now it seems like it's going to be a tough decision.

If SSDs are the new default, that really changes things.

jnc
Jun 11, 2012, 09:56 AM
http://www.matthewratzloff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/take-my-money.jpg

BriSpe
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
4k $ :eek: :confused:
Is Apple converting to selling space shuttles or laptops ?

These news and your post made my day.

That's a joke...right? I can't stop laughing. This is insane.
I don't know if I have to continue laughing or start crying.

Apple...
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
Come to papa, baby!!! :D

Blue Sun
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
Maybe we've all confused these new MBP prices with current Mac Pro prices. I think we might be disappointed today guys. I'm putting my money on the discontinuation of the Mac Pro, I hope i'm wrong.

RebelScum
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
The new Macbook Pro.

So expensive you could never afford it, yet so advanced you don't even need it.

charlieegan3
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
But more importantly, this doesn't say anything about the thickness (thinness) of these machines. That's the interesting part to me.

EDIT: I agree with Peace below, 768 has got to be a BTO option.

I says alongside the existing form factor, so it must be different, we can tell that much.

keramidas
Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
They heard people saying they wanted "4k something or other..." Got confused about whether it was screens or pricetags, apparently. :D

lol

ChazUK
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
I'll wait it out for the Powerbook G5 myself.:p

blow45
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
but the high-end model is said to be exceeding the equivalent of $4000 in some countries

Does the price include the condoms? :eek: Seeing as it's apple they might charge an extra for the accessory, a modest $100.

maviso5
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
I should think with those specs, even the low end will still be blowaway fast. Those specs and a retina display will make me get my card out...

MacReloaded
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
I wonder, RAM sticks or soldered RAM?

stevemiller
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
this is getting to be convoluted...

hksimsek
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
Why do not they think about anti-glare beside retina display ??

WestonHarvey1
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
I wonder what the screen color and backlight uniformity is going to be like on these new screens.

vikpt
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
$4000?!?! *****?!

Peter.
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
The store's down right now so I don't know if this is the exact price but Apple charges something like $1200 for 512 GB of SSD. I know you can get it cheaper yourself but if they're making this standard in the higher end 15" MBP's, I'm not surprised that their 768 GB SSD would break the bank

deadlystriker
Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
This seems too good to be true

ECUpirate44
Jun 11, 2012, 09:59 AM
4K for a maxed out 16GB with 768GB SSD sounds about right. Relax folks.

vikpt
Jun 11, 2012, 10:00 AM
Apple!!! Please release a thinner 13 in. retina MBP too! Please! Please! Please!

cmChimera
Jun 11, 2012, 10:00 AM
These are BTO options kids.

Not really sure why you got downranked, I agree completely. I'm not seeing a lot of price shifting in this update.

applesith
Jun 11, 2012, 10:00 AM
$exy

keramidas
Jun 11, 2012, 10:00 AM
i can already see all those people that kept stating they wanted Retina on their laptops for the past few months, start whining about the price now !!!

ranks are gained in macrumors when a new product is due !!! :P

blow45
Jun 11, 2012, 10:01 AM
In other news the retina just adds $100 more to the device...:eek:

Schizoid
Jun 11, 2012, 10:02 AM
I'm foaming at the mouth with excitement!

...at least I think it's excitement, might be rabies...

Macdude2010
Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
The new Macbook Pro.

So expensive you could never afford it, yet so advanced you don't even need it.

This is absolutely hilarious!

Can't wait for these to come out, but PLEASE don't be $4000

e-coli
Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
Uhh...no USB 3? What year is it again?

Don't want to jump to conclusions, but I really hope these include faster I/O.

Northgrove
Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
Haha, oh wow. On the other hand, a Leica M9 camera will cost you $7000.

I guess it's about that market segment again.

robeddie
Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
Yes, $4,000 is a bit much, right now ... but the good thing for us non-rich folks is that with Apple now pushing SSD's so hard, the prices should fall even more quickly in the coming year or two.

So, maybe next year, I'll pick up that 1TB ssd for a few hundred bucks!

MacFather
Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
It looks like, Retina displays will come only for these $xxxx machines ??

keramidas
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
This is absolutely hilarious!

Can't wait for these to come out, but PLEASE don't be $4000

i'm pretty sure even if it was 4000 they would just market it as $3999 :P

ristlin
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
My god that is expensive :eek:

Boe11
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
4K for a maxed out 16GB with 768GB SSD sounds about right. Relax folks.

Yeah, these are spec levels that haven't been offered before so of course they'll have a premium.

I'm sure we can still get our $2300 rig and go to newegg for memory and an ssd. :D

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
Those SSDs are running up the cost.

Really the mid range one will be sufficient for most. At that point, just offload stuff to a portable.

bushido
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
jeeze you have to be a Kardashian to afford that high end model LOL

QCassidy352
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
Gah I don't know what to believe anymore. May be time to stop reading these rumors until the actual announcement.

fkhan3
Jun 11, 2012, 10:04 AM
In other news the retina just adds $100 more to the device...:eek:

Yeah I hope so, or at least bulk of the price increase goes towards SSD upgrade

KPOM
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
These are BTO options kids.

True. I'd guess that the 8GB/256GB model will be $1,999 like the current 15" Pro.

I'm just curious how much Apple will want for the 11.6" MacBook Air with 8GB RAM. If they manage to make it $1649 I'll be happy, but I'm guessing $1799 or $1849. The 13" with 512GB SSD will likely crack $2K

keramidas
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
Yeah, these are spec levels that haven't been offered before so of course they'll have a premium.

I'm sure we can still get our $2300 rig and go to newegg for memory and an ssd. :D

only if the "thin and new retina macbooks" are user-upgradeable

Northgrove
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
This is absolutely hilarious!

Can't wait for these to come out, but PLEASE don't be $4000

But remember: Free shipping!!! :D

AlanFord
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
These news and your post made my day.

That's a joke...right? I can't stop laughing. This is insane.
I don't know if I have to continue laughing or start crying.

I saved months for 2011 15 model, and I shure did expect from him to make me coffe.
For that price, I expect from the 2012 retina to drive me to the moon.
Well, at least for you guys, I have to pass it, but send me a picture card :)

And now to be serious, its a great specs and all if its true, but in mine country it will be 4k $ to 4k euros plus taxes = 5 000 euros. Have to take a bank loan. Shure hell I can even buy a nice decent used car for city.
Dont know who will even buy it.

Cougarcat
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
Uhh...no USB 3? What year is it again?

Don't want to jump to conclusions, but I really hope these include faster I/O.

USB 3 is a given, it comes with Ivy bridge.



These will be the machines Apple will be showing off during the keynote. The spec updates will either get a brief acknowledgement or just appear on the store afterwards.

jamesryanbell
Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
I know i'll probably be in the minority, but I'm a little disappointed that the form factor is expected to be the same.

Anonymouslives
Jun 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
So what would that resolution be? If it were, say 264 ppi, like the iPad 3, on a 15.4" MBP?

mac964
Jun 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
Wow that to expensive no way I am paying that for a laptop I already taught the 15in model was expensive for 1800. The ssd is really expensive.

RalfTheDog
Jun 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
I'm foaming at the mouth with excitement!

...at least I think it's excitement, might be rabies...

Easy test, get a glass of water. If you can drink it, you have excitement. If your throat is so sore, you can't drink it, throw the glass at a wall, then go around biting people, it's rabies.

guzhogi
Jun 11, 2012, 10:08 AM
I haven't seen SSDs offered at 768 GB before. Biggest I've seen is 512.

As for 16 GB, you can already upgrade the RAM on current MBPs to 16 GB with memory from macsales.com. Only $161.99

Liquinn
Jun 11, 2012, 10:08 AM
I haven't seen SSDs offered at 768 GB before. Biggest I've seen is 512.

As for 16 GB, you can already upgrade the RAM on current MBPs to 16 GB with memory from macsales.com. Only $161.99
I know, it doesn't make any sense :L

blow45
Jun 11, 2012, 10:08 AM
Yes, $4,000 is a bit much, right now ... but the good thing for us non-rich folks is that with Apple now pushing SSD's so hard, the prices should fall even more quickly in the coming year or two.

So, maybe next year, I'll pick up that 1TB ssd for a few hundred bucks!

huh? Everyone is pushing ssd's, apple are using some of the worst ones at the highest possible prices, as with the ipad storage is where they make the 50% margins. How is it that they are driving prices down?:rolleyes:

QCassidy352
Jun 11, 2012, 10:09 AM
I know i'll probably be in the minority, but I'm a little disappointed that the form factor is expected to be the same.

Is that true? I thought there was a previous rumor about the bumps to the current form factor and this is a whole new lineup in a new form factor.

Jaro65
Jun 11, 2012, 10:10 AM
Uhh...no USB 3? What year is it again?

Don't want to jump to conclusions, but I really hope these include faster I/O.

It's most likely that USB3 is in there.

olowott
Jun 11, 2012, 10:10 AM
:eek: ..................like :eek:

i save the rest of wow till its officially announced

But Damn , price and Spec is like :eek: or WTF

MacRumorUser
Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 AM
do you know how long it would take me to pimp my ass to afford the top of line model ? :D

Best get a head start....

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/Crissting/idiotbox/blackadder1_1420704i-1.jpg


See you down at the docks!!

hobo.hopkins
Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 AM
Unbelievablly attractive in every way except price.

rovex
Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 AM
Where's those Retina naysayers saying it was never going to happen...

Schizoid
Jun 11, 2012, 10:12 AM
do you know how long it would take me to pimp my ass to afford the top of line model ? :D

Best get a head start....

Image (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/Crissting/idiotbox/blackadder1_1420704i-1.jpg)


See you down at the docks!!


haha nice one...

"so we've got sixpence"

"now... how much do you charge for a good, hard, sh*CENSORED*"

kemo
Jun 11, 2012, 10:12 AM
Unbelievablly attractive in every way except price.
yeah dude, but I can imagine to get the lower retina version and upgrade SSD and RAM to max on my own...

afurry13
Jun 11, 2012, 10:13 AM
These have to be fake. Given apple's current pricing structure. The entry level laptop would be well over 2 grand. That is not gonna sell well.

Diaz72
Jun 11, 2012, 10:13 AM
This is so insanely unlikely...

surma884
Jun 11, 2012, 10:13 AM
Hopefully they release Retina displays this year so when it is time for me to upgrade in the next 2-3 years Retina will be standard (meaning cheaper). :)

Navdakilla
Jun 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
That will break the bank for sure

niuniu
Jun 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
I haven't seen SSDs offered at 768 GB before. Biggest I've seen is 512.


Could be two SSDs

512+256

Maybe goodbye to the optical drive

afurry13
Jun 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
I haven't seen SSDs offered at 768 GB before. Biggest I've seen is 512.

As for 16 GB, you can already upgrade the RAM on current MBPs to 16 GB with memory from macsales.com. Only $161.99

Yes, 768 sounds fishy.

robbieduncan
Jun 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
Those questioning the $4k price clearly don't remember 2001 when it was $3k for a top of the range powerbook (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_667.html). Allowing for inflation that would be over $3700 now....

bushido
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
hi future me who may read this (10 years from now) yes people actually paid $4.000 for a retina mac in 2012 :D

applefan289
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
Hopefully they release Retina displays this year so when it is time for me to upgrade in the next 2-3 years Retina will be standard (meaning cheaper). :)

Although it is not a Retina display, my 27" iMac is very clear. It would be interesting to see how a Retina display iMac would look.

afurry13
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
Could be two SSDs

512+256

Maybe goodbye to the optical drive

that would be very unapple like. The optical drive being gone is an assumption already. putting in two hard drives would be more expensive than just putting in a custom manufactured 768gb

wkadamsjr
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
Where are all the naysayers who said they would never offer two different MBP options?? I read a whole thread full of them just 3 days ago. :rolleyes:

omgitswes
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
I haven't seen SSDs offered at 768 GB before. Biggest I've seen is 512.

As for 16 GB, you can already upgrade the RAM on current MBPs to 16 GB with memory from macsales.com. Only $161.99


I haven't seen a 768, closest I've seen was 720. Newegg actually offers one up to 1tb.

doelcm82
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
Donnie: "Frank sees new slim MacBook with retina display and 768GB SSD."

Mrs. Farmer: "Now mark the line in the appropriate place."


FEAR ------------------------+LOVE

iMat77
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
768 GB SSD. With SSD prices as they are here it seems the computer could cost as much. But then again, I hope the form factor is going to be a lot different (SSD allows for a thinner design) and, if the indication of a new USB Superdrive and a Thunderbolt to LAN connector are correct, then I expect the MBP to resemble a MBA "on a lot of steroids". Although I would have preferred a smaller SSD and an on board HDD...

Just to keep prices in the range of "affordable" and not in the range of "utterly expensive". Too bad. Retina is intriguing. Retina Cinema Display would be absolutely great.

But, this year, I don't plan any new Hardware, so it is irrelevant at the moment. I am just concerned because that price point would undermine the success of the machine and hence not help Apple's bottom line in the end.

Just a couple more hours and all the rumors and speculation are then irrelevant.

:-)

I like that game though.


Anyway, give me Mountain Lion, new iWork suite, Aperture 4. In september give me an iPhone 5, iOS 6 and a new iPad. Then I'm sold. Next year? OSXI, and a new MBP with SSD at an acceptable price point and new processors.

TV? Not for me. TV is a device I keep for 5-7 years, so no need to put expensive hardware in there. Leave the AppleTV as an external device and I can upgrade more often...

cwwilson
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
I want to be a billionaire.....so ********** bad....

Diaz72
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
Where's those Retina naysayers saying it was never going to happen...

I would wait until they Apple confirms it before you start gloating. There's still an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are right.

gatortpk
Jun 11, 2012, 10:16 AM
I hope HHD options are available simply because the cost per GB is much lower. If SSDs are the only option, then these will be quite expensive on the low end as well!

I certainly hope these SSD options are SSD in the standard 2.5" HHD form factor, so they can be upgraded later on. Especially when the price per GB will come down (obviously).

Also, I hope the RAM will be the typical SODIMM, instead of soldered onto the logic board.

Except for the CPU speed, I could opt for a lower end MacBook Pro and then upgrade the SSD and RAM later (at a lower cost, especially the RAM, which is always the case).

I would be happy with perhaps 64 GB of Flash for a boot volume, and an HDD for shear storage space at a lower cost, now that 1TB 2.5" drives at only 9.5mm thick are common now. Though, if the new MacBook Pros are going to be only 18-19mm thick, that will still leave enough space to squeeze a 9.5mm HDD. (Even though you couldn't put a 3mm thicker HDD into a 24.1mm MBP.)

PinkyMacGodess
Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 AM
This doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense, unless there is to be a large difference in price between the two versions. I mean, who is going to want to buy the bastard red headed stepchild (no offense to read headed stepchildren intended) when they can have the prom queen (retina MBP)?

But lets see what the $ delta is... If it's close, I predict a glut of the older MBP's. Well, and if they 'pre-announce' the retina MBP's, what happens to the in-stock models? No one will want them... Not hearing of shortages of the existing models, I doubt that Apple will shoot themselves in the foot, but we all could be wrong.

afurry13
Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 AM
768 GB SSD. With SSD prices as they are here it seems the computer could cost as much. But then again, I hope the form factor is going to be a lot different (SSD allows for a thinner design) and, if the indication of a new USB Superdrive and a Thunderbolt to LAN connector are correct, then I expect the MBP to resemble a MBA "on a lot of steroids". Although I would have preferred a smaller SSD and an on board HDD...

Just to keep prices in the range of "affordable" and not in the range of "utterly expensive". Too bad. Retina is intriguing. Retina Cinema Display would be absolutely great.

But, this year, I don't plan any new Hardware, so it is irrelevant at the moment. I am just concerned because that price point would undermine the success of the machine and hence not help Apple's bottom line in the end.

Just a couple more hours and all the rumors and speculation are then irrelevant.

:-)

I like that game though.


Anyway, give me Mountain Lion, new iWork suite, Aperture 4. In september give me an iPhone 5, iOS 6 and a new iPad. Then I'm sold. Next year? OSXI, and a new MBP with SSD at an acceptable price point and new processors.

TV? Not for me. TV is a device I keep for 5-7 years, so no need to put expensive hardware in there. Leave the AppleTV as an external device and I can upgrade more often...

You are correct. iWork is in desperate need of an upgrade.

Jobsian
Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 AM
This is a truly insane computer and I want it!

dkersten
Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 AM
i'm pretty sure even if it was 4000 they would just market it as $3999 :P

That reminds me of Back to the Future where the flying car is just $39,999,995

PinkyMacGodess
Jun 11, 2012, 10:20 AM
I would wait until Apple confirms it before you start gloating. There's still an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are right.

Exactly...

xeqshunr
Jun 11, 2012, 10:21 AM
I mean,....common. I would be happy with 500GB if the cost was reasonable. OR a dual setup - SSD for essentials and start up, then a much larger HDD for the rest. ...but that might take away from a smaller form factor.

The Retina Display is my biggest desire.

jakebrosy
Jun 11, 2012, 10:21 AM
I bought a 15" MBP (2.3GHz i7, 8GB, 500MB 7200 RPM HDD, 1GB video w/Hi-Res no-gloss screen) last June and paid ~$3K. Then replaced the optical with a 512GB SSD and upgraded memory to 16GB - spending another $1.5K. I'm thinking $4K for a more powerful machine is cheap - especially if that's a 768GB SSD & a retina display.

Since I'm only a year off the last MBP it will be next June before I upgrade but I'll definitely go for the top-of-the-line model.

For professionals (graphics/video) Apple is definitely moving in the right direction by including upgrades we normally do post-purchase in a factory build.

And they still make more affordable portables for folks who don't need the power of an i7 chip or 1GB of video ram.

That price!

rhett7660
Jun 11, 2012, 10:22 AM
I can't even imagine the pricing for a 15" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a 768GB SSD :eek:

You and me both. It is going to be through the roof! Yikes! :eek:

Diaz72
Jun 11, 2012, 10:24 AM
Where's those Retina naysayers saying it was never going to happen...

I would wait until they Apple confirms it before you start gloating. There's still an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are right.

pezj
Jun 11, 2012, 10:24 AM
Bring it on!

rovex
Jun 11, 2012, 10:25 AM
I would wait until they Apple confirms it before you start gloating. There's still an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are right.

There's an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are in fact wrong, yourself included.

They wouldn't be announcing it at such an event otherwise.

wrightc23
Jun 11, 2012, 10:25 AM
You and me both. It is going to be through the roof! Yikes! :eek:

Base price model is going to be critical here. I assume you'll be able to drop in your own SSD and RAM for a fraction of the cost? Even so if the high end is 4k then we're probably looking at a range starting at least 2.5k?

barryl85
Jun 11, 2012, 10:26 AM
Whole lotta doubling down going on at Apple these days

Boe11
Jun 11, 2012, 10:26 AM
only if the "thin and new retina macbooks" are user-upgradeable

Yeah, let's hope.

Abazigal
Jun 11, 2012, 10:26 AM
What exactly is the point of posting an unsubstianted rumour just hours before Apple is going to make their official announcement? Is there some quota the site owners have to clock or something? :confused:

I know this is Macrumours, but I feel there ought to be something like a 12-hour embargo on WWDC-related articles, simply because I feel there is little point in speculating over something that is going to be proven (or disproven) in a short period of time.

Seriously, in a few more hours, we will know everything there is to know from said event, and these rumours are still popping all over the place like wildfire. :rolleyes:

foiden
Jun 11, 2012, 10:27 AM
Working on speculation, the price on the 768GB SSD alone is a head spinner. On the other hand, I would like to see more mass manufacturing of 500GB SSD and better just to help speed the cost reduction on those things.

(That is, my next upgrade I plan to do is an SSD that is around 500GB for my current MBP). So obviously, I've been playing the price waiting game on it. So I'm all about seeing more of these SSDs in more machines.

joepunk
Jun 11, 2012, 10:27 AM
If this turns true. Oh Heck No to the 16GB ram included at the highend model. IMHO that's where Apple is milking those with money and no idea that ram can be purchased for much less.

I'm still hoping for "Retina" displays in all of the MBPs.

RalfTheDog
Jun 11, 2012, 10:27 AM
Funny that the banner adds on this page are for Dell laptops. I guess someone thinks the price may force some users to switch.

MacKai
Jun 11, 2012, 10:28 AM
I hope there is a 17 inch version.
Apple is discontinuing their 17inch models. It is there least sold laptop. Some one suggested that apple will probably push you to buy an 11, 13, or 15 inch and a 27 inch display if you need the added screen. My wife has a 13in and I have a 17in that we take turn using a thunderbolt display when needed. She loves that added screen size when she is working from home.

kobyh15
Jun 11, 2012, 10:28 AM
Most. Expensive. Laptop. Ever.

Lord Flashheart
Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 AM
do you know how long it would take me to pimp my ass to afford the top of line model ? :D

Best get a head start....

Image (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/Crissting/idiotbox/blackadder1_1420704i-1.jpg)


See you down at the docks!!

My favorite show :D Which one are you, Baldrick? :P

robbieduncan
Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 AM
If this turns true. Oh Hell No to the 16GB ram included at the highend model. IMHO that's where Apple is milking those with money and no idea that ram can be purchased for much less.

I'm still hoping for "Retina" displays in all of the MBPs.

If these are thin like the air the RAM may be soldered to the logic board and not upgradable...

Rizzn
Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 AM
The 512gb SSD option from Apple is $1,200 or so. With this 768gb option valued at (by Apple) >$1,400, it's easy to see a $4k price tag.

I haven't heard this yet so I'll make a bold prediction: Tim Cook is going to change the Apple model of high prices. I think we may be blown away by new pricing and he will make Apple much more price competitive with similar Windows PCs. They need to push a lot of new tech all at once but keep prices attractive. This could be their chance to be the prime movers in retina and SSD on home computers so they need to sell the idea to consumers as much as possible.

Even if that's not true then it would be smart for Apple to at least price their BTO options more comparatively to Newegg and OWC. They must realize that they could grab all the people that go to third parties for upgrades.

juannacho
Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 AM
I hope there is a 17 inch version.

So do I, but holy ****, it the top spec 15" is pushing the $4k mark, what would the best 17" hit!? :eek:

xeqshunr
Jun 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
If this turns true. Oh Hell No to the 16GB ram included at the highend model. IMHO that's where Apple is milking those with money and no idea that ram can be purchased for much less.

I'm still hoping for "Retina" displays in all of the MBPs.

Yeah, buuut with a sealed laptop without the ability to upgrade on your own for cheaper, you've got to pay the big bucks up front. The Air is not user-upgradable for example and if the new MBPros go the same form factor, we may lose the ability to upgrade those too!

RalfTheDog
Jun 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
Apple is discontinuing their 17inch models. It is there least sold laptop. Some one suggested that apple will probably push you to buy an 11, 13, or 15 inch and a 27 inch display if you need the added screen. My wife has a 13in and I have a 17in that we take turn using a thunderbolt display when needed. She loves that added screen size when she is working from home.

I can't picture carrying around a 27 inch display. If the 17 inch Macbook Pro is dead, this is a very sad day.

nfl46
Jun 11, 2012, 10:31 AM
Must be nice to be rich...

iDemiurge
Jun 11, 2012, 10:31 AM
I hope there is a 17 inch version.

No...

MacRumorUser
Jun 11, 2012, 10:31 AM
My favorite show :D Which one are you, Baldrick? :P

LOL. Yep :D How did u guess?

My cunning plan no doubt :p

powerslave12r
Jun 11, 2012, 10:33 AM
I think it's a really simple pricing model.

Compare the features/price of iMac/Mac mini to the Mac Pro.

Now draw a similar comparison between Macbook Air/Thin Macbook Pro vs Macbook Pro.

The MBP is just going true to it's name for a truly Pro audience. The consumr level price points previously held by the MBP will now be held be the thinner MBPA/MBA.

All speculation in good fun. Only a couple hours more before it all unravels.

v654321
Jun 11, 2012, 10:34 AM
Impressive to see how everyone already responds as if they absolutely "need" the top of the line with retina, 16GB ram and 786GB SSD.

I can truly understand that simply with this newsposting, all your current laptops have stopped working magically which *requires* you to upgrade. :)

:rolleyes:

iLoveiTunes
Jun 11, 2012, 10:35 AM
I hope there is a 17 inch version.

that's what she said ;)

MaxxTraxx
Jun 11, 2012, 10:37 AM
Think I'll hold onto my 09 MBP for a little bit longer now, I just can't afford this.

vpro
Jun 11, 2012, 10:37 AM
There are many better ways to spend all that money (if true).

The machines that are currently available - are beautiful and if you are clever and frugal you have many options to upgrade them yourself to exactly what you want.

All this talk of having retina display and slimmer form, exactly how slim and how sharp until you are totally satisfied? I don't think there is an end to this.

This is a case of the 'next best thing' syndrome or I call it fetish. Sometimes I wonder if this is about computing or new car show, except all the models standing around are men in Armani suit jackets and blue jeans instead of birds in bikinis. Wait a minute - mmmmmmmm, jackets, mmmmmmmm blue ...

Reading these posts - most of them, I can imagine in my mind's eyes of big, over grown kids drooling with candy rings in their mouths and wads of cash in their fists, waiting to buy ANYTHING the big ol'man with an apple in his hand is gonna hypnotize them to GET!

However, having said that - I am looking forward to a 17" MBP announcement!

^_^

Enjoying every moment !

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
Still calling BS, why the hell would Apple have TWO MacBook Pro lines? And I can bet if it does, the slim version won't offer half as much power then as the current chassis design.

So BS BS BS BS BS BS is all I'm saying until Mr Cook or who ever gets up on stage and shows us the goods in 1hr and 20 mins..

macduke
Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
Hoping I can get a retina 2.6GHz 256GB SSD with 8GB of ram for under $2400 with student discount. Then I'll upgrade the ram for cheaper by ordering 16GB from NewEgg. 512GB SSD would be nice but it's going to be SO expensive! And are these new SSDs expected to get a speed bump? My current Apple SSD runs about 220MB/s. Current gen SSDs run about double (or more) that speed.

I've been getting by with 128GB and dumping media files to disk once I finish a projectóbut it's a huge pain to deal with. Photoshop scratch disk always fills it up quickly if I'm not hooked into my FireWire drive as a cache. And I can forget about installing Steam games to disk. With 128GB extra I can have a big cache, some games, and space to store a couple projects at once! Maybe even move my iTunes library back to my main disk? My library isn't that big.

floobie
Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
$4000 :eek:

Makes the $2300 I spent on my 15" Macbook Pro seem totally reasonable. I'm sure that's the BTO option, and I'm sure a good $1500 of that is devoted to a gigantic SSD.

Anyway, if these are indeed only equipped with SSDs, I'll happily stick to what I have. I need all the onboard storage I can get for what I do with my Macbook Pro, and I'm pretty sure I can't justify spending whatever huge sum of money it takes to get a >750gb SSD in one of these.

Nevertheless... looks cool. We'll see if they're right in 1.5 hours!

RocaWear12
Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
Everyone needs to wait on the keynote and stop with the guessing around I'm excited just as well but I can wait an hour to find out the truth!

MauerFan
Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
Now I don't know if I should go with an air or pro for college. Most likely going into something business related. I was leaning toward the 13 in air.

powerslave12r
Jun 11, 2012, 10:39 AM
Everyone needs to wait on the keynote and stop with the guessing around I'm excited just as well but I can wait an hour to find out the truth!

Why? This is fun.

paradox00
Jun 11, 2012, 10:41 AM
I was hoping these new models would be SSD + HDD for more storage without breaking the bank. SSD prices will eventually come down, it's just not happening fast enough.

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 10:41 AM
One more thing that makes this all BS, one is Mac Rumors seems to have NO sources of it's own and has spent the day copying what ever 9to5mac say's so it's ALL from one rumour site.
And two, just how the hell has Apple got a 768GB SSD drive? Has it got a 512 and a 128GB drives separately mounted???

Last time I checked, 768GB drives were only available in PCIE cards or full size drives...

wizard
Jun 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
I'd like to think that was true, but Apple could push prices in the opposite direction.

As to the $4000 that is in reference to a foreign currency, I could see Apple managing a lower price. In the end though we really have to see the hardware in its entirety. The price may be justified.

In any event an hour and a half to go!

Yes, $4,000 is a bit much, right now ... but the good thing for us non-rich folks is that with Apple now pushing SSD's so hard, the prices should fall even more quickly in the coming year or two.

So, maybe next year, I'll pick up that 1TB ssd for a few hundred bucks!

Dionte
Jun 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
Those specs are so nice, if only I had a million dollars.

Skika
Jun 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
Everyone needs to wait on the keynote and stop with the guessing around I'm excited just as well but I can wait an hour to find out the truth!

http://shrani.si/f/13/gE/2zezc1hx/1326008667403.jpg

Tsuchiya
Jun 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
That much flash memory would be absolutely sweet. Can see it being eye wateringly expensive though. As it is, I wonder if the 512GB version will drop in price (considering that SSD prices seemed to have dropped a fair bit recently...)

surma884
Jun 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
Although it is not a Retina display, my 27" iMac is very clear. It would be interesting to see how a Retina display iMac would look.

Right now I have the 15" MBP (Early 2011). It is clear for me too, but I do love the look of printed text. I bet once Apple introduces Retina displays on their laptops and desktops PC manufacturers will follow.

Mackan
Jun 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
I bet these are not upgradable in any way. Everything is soldered on the motherboard.

Liquinn
Jun 11, 2012, 10:44 AM
Only one hour until my 13" Macbook Pro becomes obsolete. Damn.

ReanimationN
Jun 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
Exact pricing has not yet been confirmed, but the high-end model is said to be exceeding the equivalent of $4000 in some countries.
$4000? That would be the Australian price, of course.

floobie
Jun 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
Now I don't know if I should go with an air or pro for college. Most likely going into something business related. I was leaning toward the 13 in air.

Would you benefit from dedicated graphics? Four cores? A ******** of RAM?

If this is strictly for school work, Microsoft Office, and lets face it, Facebook, really don't require much processing grunt... a 13" Air would already be overkill in terms of power.

beowulf70
Jun 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
MMMMMM! yes please. :cool:

mobi
Jun 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
Been looking to dump my Mac Pro workstation & 13" MBP for one mobile Powerhaus. Streamline workflow, but have a good docking setup. Hmmm

mTofu
Jun 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
one of those temptations that are impossible for me to really be tempted with.

Raftysworld
Jun 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
One more thing that makes this all BS, one is Mac Rumors seems to have NO sources of it's own and has spent the day copying what ever 9to5mac say's so it's ALL from one rumour site.
And two, just how the hell has Apple got a 768GB SSD drive? Has it got a 512 and a 128GB drives separately mounted???

Last time I checked, 768GB drives were only available in PCIE cards or full size drives...

I think you need to check your math.

BubbaMc
Jun 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
There won't be a redesign and they won't have retina displays.

You heard it here first.

johngordon
Jun 11, 2012, 10:47 AM
The 512gb SSD option from Apple is $1,200 or so. With this 768gb option valued at (by Apple) >$1,400, it's easy to see a $4k price tag.

I haven't heard this yet so I'll make a bold prediction: Tim Cook is going to change the Apple model of high prices. I think we may be blown away by new pricing and he will make Apple much more price competitive with similar Windows PCs. They need to push a lot of new tech all at once but keep prices attractive. This could be their chance to be the prime movers in retina and SSD on home computers so they need to sell the idea to consumers as much as possible.

Even if that's not true then it would be smart for Apple to at least price their BTO options more comparatively to Newegg and OWC. They must realize that they could grab all the people that go to third parties for upgrades.

The thought had crossed my mind. Apple have done incredibly well in recent years with the iPod, iPhone and iPad - arguably a complete refresh of the Mac line is a good time to, if not reduce prices hugely, make them a bit more competitive, and see huge revenue in increased sales and maybe start to see the Macs emulate the success of the others. Who knows.

I have no real need for a new laptop right now, but if I did, a 15" retina macbook air type machine would be good!

Dave00
Jun 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

moonferret
Jun 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
$4k for such a high spec, build to order system doesn't seem too bad. Some of us old timers have been here before....

Powerbook 170
25Mhz 68030
2Mb RAM
40Mb Hard Drive
640x400 Monochome Display

$4500 +

Yup, still got my 170. Upgraded to 8Mb, 500Mb HD :)

mabaker
Jun 11, 2012, 10:49 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

Rumors... all you hear is rumors.

beowulf70
Jun 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
$4000? That would be the Australian price, of course.

That'll be £4000 then! :rolleyes:

wizard
Jun 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
So in that regards I would imagine the SSD is built on a printed circuit card sort of like the AIRs. The difference here is that the cards are likely larger and hopefully interface over PCI-Express. As to storage size Apple can pretty much implement any size they want. The actual storage will be spread across multiple flash chips anyways.

One more thing that makes this all BS, one is Mac Rumors seems to have NO sources of it's own and has spent the day copying what ever 9to5mac say's so it's ALL from one rumour site.
And two, just how the hell has Apple got a 768GB SSD drive? Has it got a 512 and a 128GB drives separately mounted???

Last time I checked, 768GB drives were only available in PCIE cards or full size drives...

Exactly! Let's just hope that Apple is using a standard format card that can be sourced on the secondary market.

bhtooefr
Jun 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
Most. Expensive. Laptop. Ever.

Nope.

Try the NEC Versa Pro NX VA20S/AE.

The original retina display laptop. (Retina past 20.14" away. I have a similar panel swapped into my current ThinkPad.)

450,000 yen for a base model (2 GHz P4-M, 128 MiB RAM, 20 GB HDD, Mobility Radeon 7500, floppy, 24x CD-ROM, no wifi), on July 18, 2002. This translates to $3881.65 in 2002 dollars (using the exchange rate as of that date), or $4964.48 in 2012 dollars.

mirko.meschini
Jun 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
768gb = 256gb blade + 512gb 2,5"

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
I think you need to check your math.

hahaha, probably :D I meant 256 and 512 :p

Still like to know just how the rumour thinks a slim line machine will have 768GB of SSD!! because I guess that also has to be 7mm in height or is it 7.5mm?

gggrrrrr these rumours make no sense what so ever..

johngordon
Jun 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

I think its now inevitable that we'll see higher res screens across the board. I don't see that as meaning multiple lines, as different points on the same line. It may just be that initially, any retina models will just be high end for a while, but longer term, they're unlikely to remain a distinct line. Anyway, stores down, so we should find out tonight.

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
768gb = 256gb blade + 512gb 2,5"

But I don't think the Blade or mSata run at Sata 3? They only run at Sata 2 speeds? Aaahhhh, my head is going to explode hahaha....

REM314
Jun 11, 2012, 10:53 AM
While I like SSDs I dont want to spend the same amount of money as I did 4 years ago and get the same amount of storage space (256 Gb). Ugh I hope the 512 isn't too prohibitive but I know it will be.

macduke
Jun 11, 2012, 10:53 AM
Still calling BS, why the hell would Apple have TWO MacBook Pro lines? And I can bet if it does, the slim version won't offer half as much power then as the current chassis design.

So BS BS BS BS BS BS is all I'm saying until Mr Cook or who ever gets up on stage and shows us the goods in 1hr and 20 mins..

Yeah, I'm kind of thinking this is crap too. Why would they complicate things with so many choices? Apple usually tries to simplify the buying process. Consumers are more happy with their purchase when they have less options. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but it's true. They don't experience buyers remorse as often so feel more satisfied with their decision. And I'm not just pulling this info out of my rearóI learned it in college and there are studies to back it up. But don't get me wrong as I prefer having options myself. But BTO options + NewEgg is usually enough for me nowadays.

If Apple is coming up with a new MacBook Retina line, then it must be for a reason: massive price increase. Maybe they just aren't economical at this point? Those displays must come at a cost. And let's not forget the price premium on the original MacBook Air. Thinner and more powerful? Something has to give, right? And unfortunately that's probably our wallets. If it's out of my price range, then I'm just going to upgrade my SSD to a faster 256GB model and 16GB of ram and wait to see what next year brings. My machine is still capableóbut USB 3.0 + Retina + more portable + faster is too good to pass up at the right price. Plus I need some SSD and ram upgrades anyway. Guess we'll find out soon!!

bushido
Jun 11, 2012, 10:54 AM
OT: apple is apparently also announcing two new native apps. one serving as some kind of "wallet" to store credit card info etc.

Perplexe
Jun 11, 2012, 10:54 AM
I'm just wondering about the GPU. I mean, won't retina display require a better graphical processor than the 660m? I mean sure the 660m could power the screen and all but imagine running power heavy apps in that resolution...

brdeveloper
Jun 11, 2012, 10:54 AM
No retina in the low-end model, no business.

SuperBuck27
Jun 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

Then there is only one thing you must do. Sell your shares. Preferably today, right?

blow45
Jun 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
There's absolutely no reason why these pro machines shouldn't carry a hard disk as well for the bulk of the file storage. All the more so when the optical is gone

If apple only have ssds in there they are going to be SHAMELESS once AGAIN, and they are going to be doing it for just one REASON that is to PROFIT OBSCENELY from the buyers because the bulk of their HIGH MARGINS is made from their deals in flash storage. :mad:

Rocketman
Jun 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
This may be the true desktop replacement portable with that much capacity and speed. Pricey, but that is because of so much solid state memory.

I remind readers i used to post about how my Mac+ under ramdrive mode was faster than pretty much any Mac (within its limitations) till the 9600 came out. Solid state is magical stuff speed wise.

You forget the price you paid about 10 minutes after you work with it.

Rocketman

Check this link on the new PB ports!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14998052&postcount=320

zzLZHzz
Jun 11, 2012, 10:56 AM
Uhh...no USB 3? What year is it again?

Don't want to jump to conclusions, but I really hope these include faster I/O.

thunderbolt is way faster than usb3.0 and you could get 3.0 from thunderbolt.
that being said, i would support there will be at least one usb 3.0 port

MauerFan
Jun 11, 2012, 10:57 AM
Would you benefit from dedicated graphics? Four cores? A ******** of RAM?

If this is strictly for school work, Microsoft Office, and lets face it, Facebook, really don't require much processing grunt... a 13" Air would already be overkill in terms of power.

I guess you're right. I also do a lot with baseball statistics, so I might try and find a way to make a database since Mac's version of office doesn't carry Access.

Dainin
Jun 11, 2012, 10:57 AM
Impressive to see how everyone already responds as if they absolutely "need" the top of the line with retina, 16GB ram and 786GB SSD.

I can truly understand that simply with this newsposting, all your current laptops have stopped working magically which *requires* you to upgrade. :)

:rolleyes:

Zipper on my backpack broke last weekend and my MacBook pro made a hasty connection between the concrete and my MagSafe port. I've been going crazy the last week and waiting with my credit card out for the announcements today.

Santabean2000
Jun 11, 2012, 10:59 AM
768gb = 256gb blade + 512gb 2,5"
Just what I was thinking; MBA SSD goes MBP.

But I don't think the Blade or mSata run at Sata 3? They only run at Sata 2 speeds? Aaahhhh, my head is going to explode hahaha....
Apple bump. Easy enough I suspect.

Should be interesting.

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 10:59 AM
Engadget seems like it will have a VERY good Live Blog of the event here:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-wwdc-2012-liveblog/

Mac Rumors hasn't put one up yet right?

wizard
Jun 11, 2012, 11:00 AM
As to the new rumored retina machines with the SSDs, as an Apple investor you should recognize the huge risk Apple is taking here. The traditional MBPs will stay around just like the Mac Books did when the new AIRs arrived. After sales are established and production confidence is raised the old style MBPs will go away.

Beyond that it is one extra freaken model line buddy. It isn't a big deal and in this case will likely lead to huge sales.

As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro?

Oh let's see maybe it will have a retina screen.

Both address the same group of consumers.


So do the AIRs, especially if the rumored spec increases are true.

If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave
All I can say is I'm glad you don't run the company! Frankly you don't understand why Apple was in the condition it was all those years ago when Steve took over nor why he had to so drastically trim the product line. Today Apple is to large to support itself on such thin product lines. They really need hardware that appeals to more and more users.

dukebound85
Jun 11, 2012, 11:00 AM
Engadget seems like it will have a VERY good Live Blog of the event here:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-wwdc-2012-liveblog/

Mac Rumors hasn't put one up yet right?

here is macrumors

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

MIDI_EVIL
Jun 11, 2012, 11:01 AM
The crazy thing is the current model accepts just as much storage and RAM, for almost half the price... why is everyone so excited?

lilo777
Jun 11, 2012, 11:03 AM
This may be the true desktop replacement portable with that much capacity and speed. Pricey, but that is because of so much solid state memory.

I remind readers i used to post about how my Mac+ under ramdrive mode was faster than pretty much any Mac (within its limitations) till the 9600 came out. Solid state is magical stuff speed wise.

You forget the price you paid about 10 minutes after you work with it.

Rocketman

This would be a very weird way to design a desktop replacement laptop. Those replace computers ON THE DESK TOP. In general, they do not have to be very light for they get rarely moved. This would be a very expensive way to replace a desktop computer :p

xdxdaustin
Jun 11, 2012, 11:04 AM
As nice as that sounds there will be no way I can afford that. I can't even afford a 768 gb SSD by itself right now

I think your in good company with just about everyone lol so I wouldn't worry about it

lilo777
Jun 11, 2012, 11:04 AM
The crazy thing is the current model accepts just as much storage and RAM, for almost half the price... why is everyone so excited?

Most people here are Apple shareholders. They salivate at the thought of increased profits.

tido2012
Jun 11, 2012, 11:05 AM
Lol...problem solved

Then there is only one thing you must do. Sell your shares. Preferably today, right?

mirko.meschini
Jun 11, 2012, 11:06 AM
The crazy thing is the current model accepts just as much storage and RAM, for almost half the price... why is everyone so excited?

the current accept even more, 512+512!

nomad411
Jun 11, 2012, 11:06 AM
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2 Girls, 1 Cup, and a new MacBook Pro?

guzhogi
Jun 11, 2012, 11:09 AM
I haven't seen a 768, closest I've seen was 720. Newegg actually offers one up to 1tb.

I haven't that before. Thanks for the heads-up. I've seen the PCIe drives, but not regular SSD drives at those capacities.

Could be two SSDs

512+256

Maybe goodbye to the optical drive

Definitely possible, but when Apple sells multiple drives in a computer (like the iMac) it would say something like "256 GB + 512 GB SSDs".

I know, it doesn't make any sense :L

Yes, 768 sounds fishy.

Nice to know that others find it weird, too.

KnightWRX
Jun 11, 2012, 11:09 AM
There's an incredibly huge chance that those naysayers are in fact wrong, yourself included.

They wouldn't be announcing it at such an event otherwise.

I think a lot of folks are failing to account for the Hi-res 15" option. I really, really don't think Retina is coming this round.

Piggie
Jun 11, 2012, 11:10 AM
Why do not they think about anti-glare beside retina display ??

There probably would be no point in matt and retina, the rough surface finish of the matt screen scatters the light coming from pixels anyway

Even the 27" Dell monitor has trouble and moans from people as the roughness of the screen actually blocks the detail of the individual pixels (smudging them together)

On a much smaller macbook screen Retina and Matt would probably be a waste of time as you are destroying the quality you have just got.

.macbookpro.
Jun 11, 2012, 11:10 AM
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joepunk
Jun 11, 2012, 11:15 AM
If these are thin like the air the RAM may be soldered to the logic board and not upgradable...

Yeah, buuut with a sealed laptop without the ability to upgrade on your own for cheaper, you've got to pay the big bucks up front. The Air is not user-upgradable for example and if the new MBPros go the same form factor, we may lose the ability to upgrade those too!

Yea, I know.

guzhogi
Jun 11, 2012, 11:15 AM
thunderbolt is way faster than usb3.0 and you could get 3.0 from thunderbolt.
that being said, i would support there will be at least one usb 3.0 port

It will take a while before Thunderbolt becomes totally widespread. TB may be faster, but USB 3 is everywhere so it would be a little stupid to ignore it. Besides, if Macs get updated to Ivy Bridge, it has a USB 3 controller built-in, correct? How difficult would it be for Apple to change the USB 2 ports it has now to 3?

rovex
Jun 11, 2012, 11:20 AM
I think a lot of folks are failing to account for the Hi-res 15" option. I really, really don't think Retina is coming this round.

I said to myself beforehand that we will either see a resdesign or Retina. It looks to be the latter, and there's no other reason for them to make a MBP announcement at WWDC unless they didn't have something fresh in store for us, that's the least we can gather.

Now I can't say with certainty whether Retina will be standard or BTO, we'll find out soon enough.

paradox00
Jun 11, 2012, 11:26 AM
So in that regards I would imagine the SSD is built on a printed circuit card sort of like the AIRs. The difference here is that the cards are likely larger and hopefully interface over PCI-Express. As to storage size Apple can pretty much implement any size they want. The actual storage will be spread across multiple flash chips anyways.

Why would Apple source different components for different products when they can keep the same one for the greatest supply line efficiency? The Macbook Air SSD does interface over PCI-Express too, so I'm not sure what you're looking for.


Exactly! Let's just hope that Apple is using a standard format card that can be sourced on the secondary market.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Aura_Pro_Express

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I said to myself beforehand that we will either see a resdesign or Retina. It looks to be the latter, and there's no other reason for them to make a MBP announcement at WWDC if they didn't have something fresh in store for us, that's the least we can gather.

Now I can't say with certainty whether Retina will be standard or BTO, we'll found out soon enough.

Umm... the rumours are for a redesigned model with a retina display plus the old Macbook Pro model with no retina.

We will find out soon enough though.

Dave00
Jun 11, 2012, 11:26 AM
Then there is only one thing you must do. Sell your shares. Preferably today, right?
Nope, never sell shares right before or after an announcement. You have to look to the long-term. They are still basically printing money, and a P:E of 13 in a growing company is crazy cheap. But, these kinds of things are storm clouds on the horizon. The more you see, the more you better get your umbrella.

rovex
Jun 11, 2012, 11:28 AM
Umm... the rumours are for a redesigned model with a retina display plus the old Macbook Pro model with no retina.

We will find out soon enough though.

I was just going by what i've read today but yes i think that's more than likely too.

zeromeus
Jun 11, 2012, 11:28 AM
That would make the MBP a lot more affordable.

KnightWRX
Jun 11, 2012, 11:29 AM
I said to myself beforehand that we will either see a resdesign or Retina. It looks to be the latter, and there's no other reason for them to make a MBP announcement at WWDC unless they didn't have something fresh in store for us, that's the least we can gather.

Now I can't say with certainty whether Retina will be standard or BTO, we'll find out soon enough.

Who's to say there is an annoucement at WWDC for MBPs specifically ? Maybe they'll do a "whole line-up" announcement and that's why it's getting a keynote. Maybe they just feel the Macs haven't been getting enough keynote time (look at the last 3 years of keynotes... 2010, Back to the Mac... that's about it).

I'm sticking to what I believe : there is no 3rd line-up, there is no retina. These part numbers first don't even indicate anything special with the screen, and if anything, they could simply be the same old Hires 15" we've had for a few refreshes now.

If anything, the 15" might come standard with 1650x1080, with an option for 1920x1200 to replace the 17" that seems to have disappeared from the rumors.

I'd rather stick to that and be pleasantly surprised then be all "Retina ! :D" and then be utterly disappointed.

Funkymonk
Jun 11, 2012, 11:30 AM
Maybe I'll buy a 17" MBP retina in 5 years when my 2011 13" MBA is 6 years old. :D

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 11:30 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

Dave,

Most likely, if there is another line of MBPros, then it's no different when they had the Mac Book (white, black), the MacAir and the MacBook Pro. Were you making comments like this then?

Also, if there is another line, then most likely, they are going to do the same thing here with the older style MacBook Pro, just as they did with the MacBook (white/black) and phase it out over the next year.

Secondly, comparing Apple to the 90s to the Apple now is hilarious. Apple then was never a global company nor did it have the products like it has now.

rmwebs
Jun 11, 2012, 11:31 AM
the high-end model is said to be exceeding the equivalent of $4000 in some countries.

Priced for idiots. Nobody will pay that price JUST for a retina screen that has ZERO impact on your usage or productivity.

netdoc66
Jun 11, 2012, 11:32 AM
Apple's slowpoke SSD's are a joke. If the only way you can get a retina display is opting into their over priced BTO options, I would pass. That's just greedy.

Meever
Jun 11, 2012, 11:32 AM
I can't get the number to make sense. 1400 for ssd and 300 for ram upgrade on top of a 2300ish base price?

Well actually... No. That sounds about right.

Wwdc needs to start now none of this makes any sense. We've got a couple pieces but how do you get a 500 pice puzzle to make sense with just 8 pieces in place?

zzLZHzz
Jun 11, 2012, 11:36 AM
It will take a while before Thunderbolt becomes totally widespread. TB may be faster, but USB 3 is everywhere so it would be a little stupid to ignore it. Besides, if Macs get updated to Ivy Bridge, it has a USB 3 controller built-in, correct? How difficult would it be for Apple to change the USB 2 ports it has now to 3?

thunderbolt is getting more mainstream. computex had shown quite a few laptops with thunderbolt.

if the mac doesn't get ivy bridge, it no point getting a new one.
and yes, with a native controller, there is no excuse for not having 3.0

thebertrani
Jun 11, 2012, 11:36 AM
Well the 16gb Ram is kind of underwhelming I mean you can get from third party vendors for the 2011 Macbook Pro 16gb Ram for less than 200$ and the for the iMac 32gb.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_MacBook_MacBook_Pro/Upgrade/DDR3_1333MHz_SDRAM

Furthermore I bet the SSD that is used is one hell of a crappy one from Samsung or Toshiba and in worst case scenario they will be SATA II, If they start using SSD`s from OCZ or OWC we can start talking but until then everybody who wants to get the most out of it will replace that APPLE SSD anyways....

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/

AustinIllini
Jun 11, 2012, 11:39 AM
Maybe I'll buy a 17" MBP retina in 5 years when my 2011 13" MBA is 6 years old. :D

Goin strong for 16 months. The machine feels like it hasn't aged a day. I love it.

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thunderbolt is getting more mainstream. computex had shown quite a few laptops with thunderbolt.

if the mac doesn't get ivy bridge, it no point getting a new one.
and yes, with a native controller, there is no excuse for not having 3.0

it's also insanely expensive to do anything with it. It's mainstream when the price becomes affordable. I shouldn't have to spend iPad money on accessories.

OrangeSVTguy
Jun 11, 2012, 11:40 AM
The top-end is only for 2 different groups. Professionals where they will recoup their money back since its a tool after all or rich-daddy's-little-girl so she can facebook on it.

CJM
Jun 11, 2012, 11:41 AM
Do Apple forumites not understand how much large SSDs cost? That's where the high price is coming from. Bit bonkers and kinda unneeded, I would have thought.

waldobushman
Jun 11, 2012, 11:41 AM
As an AAPL investor, I don't like what I'm hearing lately. Three different lines of macbooks, rumors of an iPad mini - this kind of balkanization is exactly what drove Apple to near-bankruptcy in the 90's. With the MacBook Pro/Air, you serve two different needs - portability/affordability in one, and features/expandability in the other. How do you market the retina display line separately from the MacBook pro? Both address the same group of consumers. If they insist on keeping the traditional Macbook Pro, make the retina display a high-end option, rather than making another line entirely.

Dave

I'm sure the MBP and MBA lines will merge. It takes time, improvement in tech, logistics and manufacturing infrastructure, creating a market (or ensuring that one exists in the first place). As an Apple investor myself, and owner of Apple products, I dont see anything of concern here. Just the normal process of product evolution.

tkwolf
Jun 11, 2012, 11:45 AM
Image (http://www.matthewratzloff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/take-my-money.jpg)

I'm sorry sir, I'm afraid it's not enough. Would like to add your credit card to cover the cost?

adster
Jun 11, 2012, 11:49 AM
Before the Apple store went down, upgrading a MBP to a 512 SSD was a $2100 Build to order option. A $4000 top of the line model is not out of the question...

I just hope the parts are user upgradable...

leman
Jun 11, 2012, 11:59 AM
Guys, don't let them take you for fools. These are not retina Macs, these are simply SSD BTO options for regular MBP. Of course a 768GB SSD will cost an arm and a leg... otherwise, these machines will be exactly the same as the non-ssd versions.

Dave00
Jun 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
All I can say is I'm glad you don't run the company! Frankly you don't understand why Apple was in the condition it was all those years ago when Steve took over nor why he had to so drastically trim the product line. Today Apple is to large to support itself on such thin product lines. They really need hardware that appeals to more and more users.
Settle down, Beavis. I started programming on the Apple IIGS, had a Mac SE, and stayed with the Mac all the way through the horrid times. I also ran computer clusters full of Macs for years during the '90s. So yes, I do have a pretty good idea of why Apple Computer was in the state it was.

The balkanization was a HUGE problem, and it was an absolutely brilliant move to simplify the lines. Any time you add another line, you have to have support, inventory, marketing, etc. The MacBook pro and Macbook Retina, as described, are going after virtually the same customer. Just because you're a bigger company doesn't mean you're immune to this problem - just ask GM.

Regardless, will see what gets unveiled in the next few minutes...

Dave

dr Dunkel
Jun 11, 2012, 12:11 PM
Before the Apple store went down, upgrading a MBP to a 512 SSD was a $2100 Build to order option. A $4000 top of the line model is not out of the question...

I just hope the parts are user upgradable...

3200 euros? Sounds plausible.

Asia8
Jun 11, 2012, 12:29 PM
10:24 am THIRD LAPTOP LINE!!!
10:23 am "So what's next...?"
10:23 am Also shipping today!
10:23 am Same pricing as well, better specs though.
10:23 am Same size too.
10:22 am No retina either... So far anyway. :(
10:22 am Both USB ports are getting USB 3.
10:22 am 60% faster as well.
10:22 am Discrete GPU is now the GeForce GT 650M, 1GB.
10:21 am 3rd gen Core, Ivy Bridge CPU up to 2.7Ghz, 8GB 1600Mhz memory, and 60% faster graphics integrated.
10:21 am Next up, updates to MacBook Pro.

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10:29 am Ships with Lion.
10:29 am Higher contrast ratios, deeper blacks, great angle of view. Glare reduced by 75% on glossy screen.
10:28 am World's highest resolution notebook display.
10:28 am 220 pixels per inch, 5,184,000 pixels.
10:28 am 15.4" across, pixel density is 2880x1800.
10:28 am "Absolutely stunning."
10:27 am Retina Display confirmed!
10:27 am Lightest pro notebook Apple has ever made.
10:27 am 4.46lbs.
10:27 am 1/4 thinner, about as thin as a MacBook Air.
10:27 am 0.71 inches thin.
10:26 am Phil placing finger next to the new MBP, thinner than his finger.
10:26 am Magnificent new display, incredibly thin.
10:25 am New MacBook Pro getting revealed...

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 12:32 PM
I note they have yet to announce the hardware inside the "next gen" MB Pro.......

MacReloaded
Jun 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
Looks like flash on the blade to me.

MrNomNoms
Jun 11, 2012, 12:34 PM
Watching the announcement so far I want to know where all the naysayers are - the individuals who keep claiming that Apple is ignoring their Mac division in favour of completely focusing on i-devices. Come on, where are you? sitting at home crying into your coffee because yet another WWDC rolls around with more attention being paid to Mac's than ever before?

apolloa
Jun 11, 2012, 12:38 PM
Holy Crap Sticks Apple!!! But I think they could have given the current gen MB Pro better graphics if they've managed to squeeze the 650m into the new thin model!
Still... oh and they should have also included 802.11 AC wireless... but man that's a nice looking machine.

poobear
Jun 11, 2012, 12:39 PM
I didn't see any kensington lock, is that true?
Was thinking about one for work but it would disappear instantly without lock :(