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MacRumors
Jun 11, 2012, 01:55 PM
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Apple today announced minor updates (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/06/11Apple-Updates-MacBook-Air-and-Current-Generation-MacBook-Pro-with-Latest-Processors-and-New-Graphics.html) to its MacBook Air and MacBook Pro lines, including upgrades to flash storage, memory and processors.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/macbookprofamily.jpg


The 11" and 13" MacBook Air models now include up to 512GB of flash storage, 60% faster graphics, up to 8GB of memory and a 2.0GHz i7 Ivy Bridge CPU. The machines have been upgraded with combined USB 3.0/2.0 ports as well as 720p FaceTime cameras. All MacBook Air models now include 4GB of RAM standard. Pricing remains similar to before, with only the premium 11" MacBook Air seeing a $100 price drop.

The 15" MacBook Pro model include Ivy Bridge quad-core i7 CPU's up to 2.7GHz, a 1GB GeForce GT 650M discrete graphics card, a standard 8GB of 1600 MHz memory, and USB 3.0/2.0 ports. Pricing remains the same at $1,799 and $2,199.

The 13" MacBook Pro includes Ivy Bridge dual-core i7 CPU's up to 2.9GHz. Pricing remains the same at $1,199 and $1,499.

Article Link: Apple Updates MacBook Pro and MacBook Air Models With Minor Spec Bumps (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/apple-updates-macbook-pro-and-macbook-air-models-with-minor-spec-bumps/)



SamSmith
Jun 11, 2012, 01:56 PM
Great keynote, great announcements!

sbrhwkp3
Jun 11, 2012, 01:57 PM
Nice! Now, how many people are going to complain about "Tim Cook's Apple" despite the fact that we're still seeing Steve Jobs' Apple?

sfxx
Jun 11, 2012, 01:57 PM
Not going to be a productive day in the office.. :D

OneMike
Jun 11, 2012, 01:58 PM
pretty nice keynote. good updates.

Time Less
Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
you guys think amazon will have the 8gb ram version of the 13" air?

numbersyx
Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
But where's the new Mac Pro?????

doronbt
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
I think we can say it's quite official,
Apple is a mass-market company and not Pro company.

Mobster1983
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
No Mac Pro. Fail.

HardRain
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
No improved res for the air? Some reasonable spec boosts, but... unfortunately not enough to warrant the upgrade. The GPU is nice, but was really hoping for a res increase.

BobCollins
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
The kept the same case size and product price, did they lose the CD/DVD drive? Maybe they replaced it with batteries?

The store is now up. I found no comment on the optical drive in the tech specs but, looking in the store, it "appears" that the SuperDrive lives.

Navdakilla
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
I was expecting a little more from this?
design wise I guess the Air is still at the forefront, and they are fairly new so no big deal there.
I was hoping for a small price drop on the base models.

Also no mac pro update?!!!??! How long will we have to wait

parseckadet
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
No Mac Pro. Fail.

Don't go jumping off a cliff yet. They didn't update the iMac either. There's always the possibility of them updating it with a separate press release later today. The store still isn't back up yet, so there's still hope.

KylePowers
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
No refreshed Mac Mini, iMac, or Mac Pro... I'm sure there'll be a silent update by the end of the summer. So just sit tight.

Nice to see the spec updates and BTO options on the MBA now though! HD FaceTime camera and 8GB of RAM :D

HardRain
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Don't go jumping off a cliff yet. They didn't update the iMac either. There's always the possibility of them updating it with a separate press release later today. The store still isn't back up yet, so there's still hope.

Yeah and if they don't update, then proceed to jump of cliff!

rcjordin
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
No Mac Pro? :eek:

Kaibelf
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
I think we can say it's quite official,
Apple is a mass-market company and not Pro company.

You mean they prefer growth and success over being a boutique operation? Shut the front door! :rolleyes:

Sedulous
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Would it have been too hard to drop in the same updates for the 17"? Kinda annoying. I guess the "halo" effect from the commercial/professional segment isn't as interesting to Apple as the iPhone "halo" effect.

imMango
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
According to the apple store, the Mac Pro was indeed updated. 9to5 was actually right.

jpmack
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
R.I.P. 17" MBP. Alas, we knew ye well.

Hakone
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
Where is the love?

-iMac and Mac Pro

Macclone
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
No Mac Pro? :eek:

No, but they now have a true iPad case.

imMango
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
new airport express isn't looking too shabby either.

medazinol
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
R.I.P. 17" MBP. Alas, we knew ye well.

Yep, dead.

Mac Pros have not been updated. Still the same specs. You are dead to me. Long live my 27" iMac!

Gregintosh
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Well, at least no one has to feel bad about buying a refurb previous gen macbook air for a great value.

All you gain here is a slightly better processor and slightly better graphics, both irrelevant for most users.

For "power" users, you get the option of more HD space and memory as well (8GB), so that's good (but only for the small fraction of people who want to use their airs as pros), though I am sure they will be expensive upgrades (the store hasn't updated yet for me, so I don't know exactly).

Jus11
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
According to the apple store, the Mac Pro was indeed updated. 9to5 was actually right.

What are you talking about? Seems to be closed still.

JS3
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
when are these available in store?

tdhurst
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Would it have been too hard to drop in the same updates for the 17"? Kinda annoying. I guess the "halo" effect from the commercial/professional segment isn't as interesting to Apple as the iPhone "halo" effect.

Doesn't a retina display 15" eliminate the need for a 17" screen?

MacReloaded
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
What are you talking about? Seems to be closed still.

New tech specs: http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html

lilweeds
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Ummmm stores up and Pro says "new". Just didn't talk about it I guess.

petsounds
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
The Mac Pro has a New icon on the store, but the specs look the same, no Thunderbird ports, no USB 3. Is Apple just taunting us now?

milo
Jun 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
According to the apple store, the Mac Pro was indeed updated. 9to5 was actually right.

Sadly yes. And worse than they predicted, no TB, no usb3, no SATA III.

As good as dead.

jonnysods
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
That was a great loaded keynote. I love those ones!

imMango
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Sadly yes. And worse than they predicted, no TB, no usb3, no SATA III.

As good as dead.

Have they done anything with it? I don't know enough about the Pro's to tell if theres an update at all.

milo
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
Have they done anything with it? I don't know enough about the Pro's to tell if theres an update at all.

Just some different CPUs. And they upped the price on the dual CPU system (although it's 12 core now).

That's how bad the MP update is, unless you have the old list to compare with it's hard to tell that they even updated at all. I hate to say it but this is really going to make high end users look at either hackintosh or dumping mac for PC.

So when does MR run the story with "MP updated...barely" so we can have all the discussion there instead of all the threads about other topics?

Schizoid
Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
Sadly yes. And worse than they predicted, no TB, no usb3, no SATA III.

As good as dead.

agreed, chuck a few new CPUs in and hope nobody notices... that's taking the p1$$

wikus
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
But where's the new Mac Pro?????

Apple doesnt care about professionals anymore. Their priority now are noobs.

Lynn Belvedere
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
All you gain here is a slightly better processor and slightly better graphics, both irrelevant for most users.


And twice as much ram and a larger hard drive. Both irrelevant, right?

Schizoid
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
And twice as much ram and a larger hard drive. Both irrelevant, right?

yep

Luap
Jun 11, 2012, 02:40 PM
No Mac Pro. Fail.

Whining about Mac Pro's in a MacBook Pro thread. Fail.

Lynn Belvedere
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
The price of the retina macbook pro is absolutely insane. Not worth it at all.

Zauberer
Jun 11, 2012, 02:47 PM
Bah! Dilemma!! Worth it to upgrade from early 2011 MBP?

h0mi
Jun 11, 2012, 02:48 PM
I'm surprised they kept the optical disc drives.

Zauberer
Jun 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
Bah! Dilemma!! Worth it to upgrade from early 2011 MBP? Any thoughts on how the new retina display Mac handles gaming? My current MBP can get pretty hot as it is when I play SWTOR or CiV.

deputy_doofy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:51 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, there's a little "new" image next to the Mac Pros. I don't know what the old specs were to make a true comparison, but it is marked as new.

e-coli
Jun 11, 2012, 02:53 PM
RIP 17". Oh how much fun we had. Until I carried you.

Pegamush
Jun 11, 2012, 02:55 PM
prices of the "non-retina" mbp are silly, the 15" is actually more expensive than the retina-mbp... who's telling prices at apple?
ok, they want us to buy the more expensive model in the first place, bah.
looks too much like a transition period for macbooks, how long until the next upgrade? :D

Chief Pilot
Jun 11, 2012, 02:56 PM
I was thinking about buy a new 13" MacBook Pro

But now I am a little bit disappointed and confused about the new ones which were presented about 2 hours ago.
CPU is a little bit faster
and a slightly improved graphics performance(well because of the ner CPU)

I don't see big differences between the old and the new one.

Is it worth buying the new 13" instead buying/keeping the late 2011???

Need help

Thanks

RobQuads
Jun 11, 2012, 02:57 PM
Wonder if the new Macbook Air will be able to support 2 external devices if the laptop is closed. Ideally wanted a new MacMini but as they have not been updated might just update my Air and dock it in the office

SBlue1
Jun 11, 2012, 03:02 PM
Minor? Well its just fine for me. :p

zeromeus
Jun 11, 2012, 03:03 PM
I was hoping for a small price drop on the base models.


The new MBA starts at $1199 for the base 13" model... That's a $100 price drop from 2011.

johnnymg
Jun 11, 2012, 03:05 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, there's a little "new" image next to the Mac Pros. I don't know what the old specs were to make a true comparison, but it is marked as new.

I suspect the new MP will get a TB graphics card update mid/late summer.

JohnG

zeromeus
Jun 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
no Thunderbird ports,

None of Apple's current products have Thunderbird ports... I'm happy with the Thunderbolt port and the upgraded USB 3 ports, though! I'll grab one as soon as Apple lets me order with the BTS promotion in place.

theluggage
Jun 11, 2012, 03:10 PM
Doesn't a retina display 15" eliminate the need for a 17" screen?

Depends how good your eyesight is, and whether your priority is real estate or resolution. I have a 17", and I'm not sure I'd want the quantity of information you can get on that screen scrunched down to 15.4" even if it was super-sharp.

Navdakilla
Jun 11, 2012, 03:16 PM
The new MBA starts at $1199 for the base 13" model... That's a $100 price drop from 2011.

Oh true, I didn't notice that, thanks!

Geminist
Jun 11, 2012, 03:23 PM
Just placed an order for a 13.3 inch with 8 GB. Says a 1-3 days dispatched probably because this is a BTO.

Got a £70 back to school card too, yay! :D

joepunk
Jun 11, 2012, 03:26 PM
No matter how much the Retina MBP screams cool and buy me I will more than likely still get the regular MBP (refurbished) because of the huge price margin between regular and retina.

bigjobby
Jun 11, 2012, 03:34 PM
They've separated both the USB ports... Nice (and about time)!

MagnusVonMagnum
Jun 11, 2012, 03:38 PM
No Mac Mini with USB3 = No Sale. :rolleyes:

tkhan456
Jun 11, 2012, 03:43 PM
No new iMac's or really impressive new updates. Laaaaaaaaaaaame

MrXiro
Jun 11, 2012, 03:46 PM
Wasn't the base 13 inch Air 1299 retail before? 1199 seems like a good price point for it.

parseckadet
Jun 11, 2012, 03:47 PM
Bah! Dilemma!! Worth it to upgrade from early 2011 MBP? Any thoughts on how the new retina display Mac handles gaming? My current MBP can get pretty hot as it is when I play SWTOR or CiV.

I have the same system, and I would say your money is probably better spent getting a new SSD to replace the internal hard drive, maxing out RAM, and an external display. The SSD and the RAM will make the performance differences very minor, and the display is something that will last you for years even after your next upgrade. Save the rest of the money you don't spend for the update that incorporates whatever comes after Ivy Bridge.

Marc Dose
Jun 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
Is the standard Macbook Pro upgradeable to 16 GB ram?

sfxx
Jun 11, 2012, 03:59 PM
Can anyone make a complete list highlighting the differences between the entry level 13" MacBook Pro announced today and the previous version?

I just want to see if it is worth getting the "new" one with the spec bump vs purchasing last year's model for potentially less money.

Sorry if someone has already done this, I did not find it.

conorm19147
Jun 11, 2012, 04:12 PM
Just bought the baseline of the 13" MBP from the online store and I need help finding 16Gb of cheap ram, I have no idea what timing I want

bhillinger
Jun 11, 2012, 04:13 PM
Is the standard Macbook Pro upgradeable to 16 GB ram?

According to the tech specs, it's not, but it is possible and it works.

conorm19147
Jun 11, 2012, 04:16 PM
Can anyone make a complete list highlighting the differences between the entry level 13" MacBook Pro announced today and the previous version?

I just want to see if it is worth getting the "new" one with the spec bump vs purchasing last year's model for potentially less money.

Sorry if someone has already done this, I did not find it.

Yeah, the new one comes with 1600Mhz ram rather than 1333Mhz ram. It has the new generation ivy bridge processor, the cheapest version MBP has 2.5Ghz with 3.1Ghz turbo boost and the older version has a 2.4Ghz sandy bridge processor. The new one has integrated intel 4000 graphics instead of 3000. Other than that they are the same.

sfxx
Jun 11, 2012, 04:26 PM
I have the choice of:

1) 8 month old 13" MacBook Pro (yesterday's version) for $500

2) the "new" 13" MacBook Pro for $1099 + tax

I think it's obvious I should go with the previous version for almost $700 less.. and upgrade in 2-3 years perhaps. Anyone think the tech bump was really worth that much more?

rainbowdementia
Jun 11, 2012, 04:37 PM
I have a 2008 MBP, been waiting for a redesign all year. I'm underwhelmed. It just looks like the 15" went on a diet, to be honest. I was expecting a lot more. :confused:

Marc Dose
Jun 11, 2012, 04:47 PM
According to the tech specs, it's not, but it is possible and it works.

Thanks! Fat Macbook Pro it is then.

ipedro
Jun 11, 2012, 05:15 PM
RIP 17" MacBookPro

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/13-and-15-inch/

http://afrael.loquesea.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/big_powerbook_small_powerbook.jpg
(http://youtu.be/Xvbuwfawqcc)

Belgrano
Jun 11, 2012, 05:21 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but I've searched and I just don't know what turbo boost means.

Some type of overclocking setting? If so, would it be wise to overclock Airs at all, given their heat issues? How can you enable turbo boost/ does anyone actually use it?

robsandbach
Jun 11, 2012, 05:38 PM
@Belgrano

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html

Intel Turbo Boost is a sort of automated "on-demand" overclock fully supported by the chipset and CPU. As the OS requests more juice various factors are evaluated (heat, power etc.) and the chipset may decide it can step up the CPU speed to accomodate the request.

That's my understanding anyway - all perfectly supported/non-warranty breaking.

Mal67
Jun 11, 2012, 05:40 PM
11" air with 64g as standard........thats pretty weak

MrXiro
Jun 11, 2012, 05:47 PM
11" air with 64g as standard........thats pretty weak

It's not that bad as an entry level. I had the previous generation in 64gb. Worked great for my need. Could even play Portal 2 on it.

Not everyone needs all those gee bees. :P

That said. If I get one of these new MBAs I'm getting the base 13 inch. Great deal at 1199!

Suncut
Jun 11, 2012, 05:47 PM
Hi, I am deciding to get my first mac laptop, in particular, MBA 13". I have a pretty tight budget here, and would like to know whether i should get the base 13" model with 256gb which costs $1499 or Refurbished 1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 with 256gb from the last generation for $1199? :confused:

PS: primarily use computer to do homework, run some simulations and experiments like R and Matlab.

Iamthinking
Jun 11, 2012, 05:57 PM
Hi, I am deciding to get my first mac laptop, in particular, MBA 13". I have a pretty tight budget here, and would like to know whether i should get the base 13" model with 256gb which costs $1499 or Refurbished 1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 with 256gb from the last generation for $1199? :confused:

PS: primarily use computer to do homework, run some simulations and experiments like R and Matlab.

You should get the new one, since the difference is only $200 once you factor in the Education $100 promo.

Suncut
Jun 11, 2012, 06:06 PM
You should get the new one, since the difference is only $200 once you factor in the Education $100 promo.

Thanks Iamthinking! I am in its education store now, the discount for MBA is only $50. Is that correct?

shanmugam
Jun 11, 2012, 06:09 PM
slap in the face for those who said Apple is NOT holding FaceTime HD Camera for next version ...

Look what happened.

Next is 128GB SSD in $999 model, way to screw your loyal customers apple :rolleyes:

MacSince1990
Jun 11, 2012, 06:17 PM
But where's the new Mac Pro?????

It's in the Apple store genius.

Fishrrman
Jun 11, 2012, 06:38 PM
Where are the posters here on MacRumors who INSISTED that Macs weren't going to get USB3?

As I previously predicted, USB3 will become the year's most significant across-the-board upgrade for the Mac product line (retina displays notwithstanding, which will be limited to a few models).

QCassidy352
Jun 11, 2012, 07:14 PM
slap in the face for those who said Apple is NOT holding FaceTime HD Camera for next version ...

Look what happened.

Next is 128GB SSD in $999 model, way to screw your loyal customers apple :rolleyes:

so they're never allowed to update anything because the buyers from the last gen might feel bad? :rolleyes:

spillproof
Jun 11, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nvidia discrete graphics cards! Yes! :D

johnboy08
Jun 11, 2012, 07:35 PM
Anyone know when the new 13" Air will be available for sale on Amazon?

Mackan
Jun 11, 2012, 07:56 PM
Nvidia discrete graphics cards! Yes! :D

Only 512 MB VRAM on the 15'' base model, as expected. :rolleyes:

afawcett
Jun 11, 2012, 08:04 PM
Did anyone else notice the option to upgrade the display on the MacBook Pro?

"The 15-inch MacBook Pro comes with a 1,440-by-900-pixel LED-backlit, glossy display. You can also choose a high-resolution, 1,680-by-1,050 glossy or anti-glare display that gives you 36 per cent more pixels."

zzLZHzz
Jun 11, 2012, 08:45 PM
i can't see the reason to get a mbp 13" anymore. the resolution is lower than mba 13"

even though the pricing is the same. i can't justify slightly higher computing power over portability

koolmagicguy
Jun 11, 2012, 08:47 PM
I'm keeping my late 2011 13" MBP...

iMikeT
Jun 11, 2012, 08:55 PM
I'm glad to see these finally get an update. Though I was hoping for the [not so] SuperDrive being done away with across the line.

I'm in the market for a MacBook Pro. All I need is a stripped down MacBook Pro that is more capable than an iPad and more powerful than a MacBook Air but not having the horsepower I all ready get in my iMac.

It looks like I may have to make the hard choice between sticking with my old G4 notebook, a base 13-inch MacBook Pro, or the base 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. Me and my first world problems, oh my! :eek:

bp1000
Jun 11, 2012, 08:56 PM
I'm glad they retained the wedge design for the MBA only. New MBP looks awesome for power v size. Another good looking high end laptop. Bit pricey though

BobbyCat
Jun 11, 2012, 09:08 PM
MacRumors says "Pricing remains the same" for MacBook Pros, but that's not a universal truth. Unfortunately, prices on all models in Europe see a price increase of 100 euros each (and 200 € for the basic MacPro).

The cheapest MacBook Pro was at 1.149 €, now at 1.249 €.

A very bad signal in a time where the old continent is badly hit by recession and crisis. Honestly, Apple, price increases now?
So, the world's richest company needs even more billions dollars in the bank ... and less poor consumers. :mad:

Sylon
Jun 11, 2012, 09:21 PM
I'm glad they retained the wedge design for the MBA only. New MBP looks awesome for power v size. Another good looking high end laptop. Bit pricey though


I'm glad they did too, keeping the original designs for the Airs and the Pros gives each their own identities. There's no mistaking a Pro for an Air.






After reading up on all the MacBook news I missed today, I am so glad I didn't wait to get my MacBook Pro 4 months ago. The 13" got the shaft again with no retina display. Sure the slightly faster processor and USB 3.0 ports are nice, but not much else. I'll stick with my 2011 model and see what happens in a couple years. I refuse to get a 15" laptop, I think they are too big at that point. 13" is perfect.

Whorehay
Jun 11, 2012, 09:39 PM
MacRumors says "Pricing remains the same" for MacBook Pros, but that's not a universal truth. Unfortunately, prices on all models in Europe see a price increase of 100 euros each (and 200 € for the basic MacPro).

The cheapest MacBook Pro was at 1.149 €, now at 1.249 €.

A very bad signal in a time where the old continent is badly hit by recession and crisis. Honestly, Apple, price increases now?
So, the world's richest company needs even more billions dollars in the bank ... and less poor consumers. :mad:

The European price increase is not necessarily Apple being greedy or sticking it to the Europeans. I'm guessing that it's directly tied to the recession you mention and all the volatility that has come with it.

What it boils down to is that the Euro is now worth much less compared to the US dollar than it was just a year ago. The eur.usd exchange rate was $1.45 about a year ago, now it's hovering around $1.25, a decrease of 14%.

Apple is a US company operating based on the U.S. dollar, so if they kept the European price the same, they'd be in essence losing 14% on all Euro-denominated sales compared to last year since 1 € would yield Apple only $1.25 vs $1.45 this time last year.

Based on your example of the lowest end config, Apple has increased the price no more than 9% of last year's price (1149 € to 1249 €), which is less than the decrease of the Euro against the dollar.

I'm definitely hoping the Euro zone is able to sort things out so you guys can enjoy the lower prices again. :apple:

libmanj
Jun 11, 2012, 09:40 PM
Is anyone else intrigued by the Air with a 512gb drive? I know it's crazy expensive, but money is the only thing in the way of what I would describe as my perfect computer (MPA 13, 512gb sd, 8gb ram). Before it wasn't possible. Now it is, but I sure wish SD storage costs would come down.

QCassidy352
Jun 11, 2012, 09:52 PM
Is anyone else intrigued by the Air with a 512gb drive? I know it's crazy expensive, but money is the only thing in the way of what I would describe as my perfect computer (MPA 13, 512gb sd, 8gb ram). Before it wasn't possible. Now it is, but I sure wish SD storage costs would come down.

problem is, by that point, you're just about paying for a retina MBP.

BobbyCat
Jun 11, 2012, 10:07 PM
Apple is a US company operating based on the U.S. dollar, so if they kept the European price the same, they'd be in essence losing 14% on all Euro-denominated sales compared to last year

This may seems like a sound financial reasoning, but there's a major flaw. When people are broke, the cheapest MacBook looks now more beyond reach than ever, particularly compared to other PC notebooks. The financial compensation that you're mentioning will be largely neutralized by falling sales, especially among new adopters.

Add to that the loss of features, such as ethernet, superdrive and ability to upgrade RAM, with these new models, Apple is screaming : go away people, we only want the rich guys who can afford the most expensive models.

I'm not sure Steve would have endorsed such a drastic marketing and philosophic turn.

Roberson
Jun 11, 2012, 10:16 PM
Great announcement by APPLE. Love it's new specs.

Gregintosh
Jun 12, 2012, 12:05 AM
And twice as much ram and a larger hard drive. Both irrelevant, right?

Yes, they are for 95% of users who do nothing more than surf the web, check email, work on documents, and consume media.

Nabooly
Jun 12, 2012, 12:13 AM
Well I'm glad my late '08 MBP still looks like the brand new macs! Means I get to keep this beast for another year at least! :cool:

cyprian.pl
Jun 12, 2012, 01:11 AM
There is no anti-glare Retina, as well no standard hi-res anti-glare with 16GB of RAM…

floling
Jun 12, 2012, 04:31 AM
still a shame, they didn't match up the 13" air display to the 13" MBP....still stuck with 1280x800...

Radoo
Jun 12, 2012, 07:20 AM
The only thing good about the bump is the nVidia GeForce GT650M. It looks promising for people who want to game. On the old model, the 6770 works fine on the 1440x900 screen that I have, but I bet on higher resolutions, it takes a hit. With the bump, I guess gaming should be quite smooth on 1680x1050.


Oh, and the higher frequency RAM I guess was added just to make the old 1333 Hz RAM obsolete, especially that the 16GB SODIMMs had become cheap.

coolguy$$$
Jun 12, 2012, 07:27 AM
Did you guys notice, Apple online store does not allow you to upgrade the previous model Macbook Pro memory to 16GB...

It only provides the option for Next-gen Macbook Pro (Retina)

milo
Jun 12, 2012, 08:54 AM
It's in the Apple store genius.

...but you can't blame him for not being able to tell since it's not really a MP update at all.

MacSince1990
Jun 12, 2012, 11:14 AM
...but you can't blame him for not being able to tell since it's not really a MP update at all.

They did a bit.. the biggest change is the price and RAM.

milo
Jun 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
They did a bit.. the biggest change is the price and RAM.

True, which isn't really an update of the machine itself, particularly considering all the features it's still missing.

thermodynamic
Jun 12, 2012, 12:58 PM
I think we can say it's quite official,
Apple is a mass-market company and not Pro company.

And the moment they actually say "We are no longer a niche company for education or creative outlets" will be an interesting day indeed.

Apple has the better OS, but some choices of recent (e.g. melding in iOS functions that will never be used by many/most, ignoring the Mac Pro for so long, etc) have been upsetting.

phillytim
Jun 12, 2012, 02:02 PM
I'd bet that the Retina display will be standard across ALL MacBook Pro laptops by next year or thereafter.

louiek
Jun 12, 2012, 06:34 PM
Yes, they are for 95% of users who do nothing more than surf the web, check email, work on documents, and consume media.

Those would be the ones who have no need for a Mac Pro beyond misplaced status.

aeronautic
Jul 3, 2012, 07:06 PM
i can't see the reason to get a mbp 13" anymore. the resolution is lower than mba 13"

even though the pricing is the same. i can't justify slightly higher computing power over portability

Faster processor speed over a Flash HD seems like the reason to me. Plus anybody that still cares about a Super Drive.

13" MBA

1.8 GHz i5 4GB RAM 128 GB Flash HD- $1199
8 GB RAM add $100
No Super Drive

13" MBA

1.8 GHz i5 4 GB RAM 256 GB Flash HD - $1499
2.0 GHz i7 add $100
8 GB RAM add $100
512 GB Flash HD add $500

13" MBP

2.5 GHz i5 4GB RAM 500 GB Non Flash HD - $1199
8GB RAM add $100
750 GB HD add $100
128 GB Solid State HD add $200
256 GB Solid State HD add $500
Super Drive

13" MBP

2.9 GHz i7 8GB RAM 750 GB Non Flash HD - $1499
1 TB Non Flash HD add $100
128 GB Flash HD add $100
256 GB Flash HD add $400
Super Drive

The 2nd and 4th options seem the most obvious to me in terms of difference.

$1499 for the lighter, thinner, 256 GB flash HD option, but only a 1.8 GHz i5 and 4 GB RAM.

Or $1499 for a slightly bigger and heavier (though much thinner than previous MBP) option with a 2.9 GHz i7, 8GB RAM, but a 750 GB regular HD.

I'd easily go with the latter.

jcpb
Jul 3, 2012, 07:57 PM
The cooling capacity of the MBA's chassis precludes any standard-voltage CPUs (35W TDP) that the 13" MBP uses, ofc the MBAs will be slower simply because there isn't much thermal headroom to Turbo with.