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MacRumors
Jun 11, 2012, 01:57 PM
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At WWDC today, Apple introduced a third line of notebook computers that Phil Schiller called the "Next Generation MacBook Pro." He noted that the company was "willing to discard old, legacy things" to make a new notebook that was radically thin and light. An Apple video called it "the very best computer that we've ever built."

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The new MacBook Pro -- which is in addition to the existing line of Pro's, which was also updated today -- is built around a 15.4" Retina display at a 2880x1880 resolution, 220 ppi with 5,184,000 pixels, with a display that is built directly into the unibody construction to make the notebook lighter.

It includes quad-core Ivy Bridge processors up to 2.8GHz and turbo boost up to 3.7GHz, up to 16GB of MacBook Air-like non-upgradable 1600MHz RAM, and a maximum of 768GB of next generation flash storage. The new Pro weighs in at 4.46 pounds and is 0.71" thick, but does not include a MacBook Air-like tapered body. There is no optical drive.

Apple has developed a new type of fan to keep the machine cool. It uses an asymmetrical blade system to cool the machine while being as quiet as possible. Apple claims the thermal management system operates in a way that is nearly imperceptible to the user.

Apple claims 7 hours of battery life with 30 days of standby time. It includes an SD slot, HDMI, and a USB 3.0/2.0 combo port on the right side, and a MagSafe power port, two Thunderbolt ports, another USB 3.0/2.0 port and a headphone jack on the left. Apple will soon begin offering a Firewire 800 and Gigabit Ethernet to Thunderbolt adapters. The machine also includes "the best stereo speakers ever put into a desktop or notebook" and dual microphones.

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Pricing begins at $2,199 for the base model with the Retina display, a 2.3GHz quad-core Ivy Bridge i7, 8GB of RAM, a NVidia GeForce GT 650M 1GB graphics card, and 256GB of flash storage. The Next Generation MacBook Pro begins shipping today.

Regarding the Retina display, Apple will ship a special build of Lion with HiDPI support built-in, and will include updated versions of iPhoto, Mail and Safari to support the increased resolution. Final Cut Pro and Aperture are also receiving updates as well. Apple has been working with major developers to get their apps updated, including Adobe Photoshop, Autodesk's AutoCAD, and Blizzard's Diablo III.

Article Link: Apple Introduces “Next Generation MacBook Pro” with 15.4″ Retina Display, Starts at $2199 (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/apple-introduces-next-generation-macbook-pro-with-15-4-retina-display-starts-at-2199/)



coolosxapps
Jun 11, 2012, 01:58 PM
It's beautiful!

WestonHarvey1
Jun 11, 2012, 01:59 PM
It's beautiful!

Reserving judgement until I see the screen in person.

f00f
Jun 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
I'd hock my MBA and my iMac(s) for this, pending screen sexiness as observed in person. The only real drawback (other than $$) is how long it'll take third-party devs to retina-ify their apps...

samac92
Jun 11, 2012, 02:03 PM
The website is up for the new MBP. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

I guess it will be about 1850 here in the UK

edit: 1799 and 2299

MacReloaded
Jun 11, 2012, 02:03 PM
Retina display: 15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch with support for millions of colours

Supported resolutions: 2880 by 1800 pixels (Retina); scaled resolutions: 1920 by 1200, 1680 by 1050, 1280 by 800, and 1024 by 640 pixels

How will this compare with the Hi-Res option in the current 15" MacBook Pro? Would the quality be slightly worse since those are not the native resolutions?

Icaras
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
Hurray for no optical disc drive. Knew this would happen. Quite obvious from the direction Apple is currently headed.

BornAgainApple
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
Going down to the Apple store to take a peak at this thing. Kinda sad they aren't supporting 802.11ac yet though.

boyd1955
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
A fraction slimmer ... So what ... PATHETIC and hardly noticable

miniroll32
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
OK Apple, listen to me very carefully.

TAKE.

MONEY.

NOW.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z272/miniroll32/Memes/zombies_sf_5copy.jpg

ayala421
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
No iMac :(

Clown Boy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
This event was a total FAIL. Nothing groundbreaking. Siri sucks as well.

Worf
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Will go to store now..

ironsienna
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
I think the guys become better and better on their post Steve Jobs era presentation skills.

Also glad to see the integration of siri on cars

toshgiles
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
The screen is hardly the draw for me...

The thin body, lack of optical-dinasaur drive, better battery, and power are what I want!!

Oh, and that new heat management system!!

charlieegan3
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Now lets let the industry try and catch up for a whole year, again.

deannnnn
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Best WWDC ever.

Anki
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Crazy prices (with the extra tax over here) but hey, maybe next year. :o

Digital Skunk
Jun 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
17" is dead!


Digital Skunk is looking for previous gen 17" Macbook Pro. I will pay $2199 for it.

/jk

fun173
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
The fan sounds interesting. I would like to see the inside of this computer. I would also like to hear the speakers.

Edit: Looks like the dickheads axed the 17". Fun173 is not happy.

finalcut
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
DDR3L ram onboard, does that mean we cant upgrade on our own with third party ram?

I am afraid. And same thing for the SSD. No place for a 2nd HDD for music and pictures

charlieegan3
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
Image (http://i.imgur.com/YwyyH.jpg)

they've shut up and now you can go to the store...

Tom8
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
About that Mac Pro update?

thecypher
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
This sucks!! :eek: Was eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 announcement. What a let down!!! :mad:

Icaras
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
OK Apple, listen to me very carefully.

TAKE.

MONEY.

NOW.

Image (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z272/miniroll32/Memes/zombies_sf_5copy.jpg)

Why have you been down voted for this? I found this hilarious :D

Santabean2000
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
Giddy up! I'm def impressed.

Fivepac
Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
No imac :(

Cordless_Drill
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
I'm really excited about this new 15" MBP. Looks awesome. It's the new benchmark for portable computing!

At least that's how I see it.

Blu-Ray
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
No surprise but this makes my decision very hard!!

This is more than $400 over my budget but I'm pretty sure I'll regret getting anything else. UGH :confused:

Clown Boy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
American-centric cr*p. Boring and nothing exciting. Man I wish be could bring Steve back to life.

Xscapes
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
No new iMac....Disappointed.

Russell L
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
At all sounded well and good, but what about the Mac Pro??? :confused::(

Larry-K
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Where's my MacPro?

miniroll32
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Seriously, people are STILL not happy?

That's kinda of hilarious... As the saying goes, you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.

HannKett
Jun 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
I agree, total FAIL! Why only slimmer? what is Ive doing there during the days?

Come on this sucks!

neuropsychguy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
The machine is stunning. The detail that's gone in to even the smallest parts of the MacBook Pro is remarkable. Apple is a company that actually cares about what it makes, unlike most other computer companies. Maybe I just appreciate obsessiveness over minute details though.

Elven
Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
I can just smell the incoming posts of issues with people whom desire to game at such resolutions in bootcamp.

Inakto
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
Is nice. Do want...

RevolvingSheep
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
My main concerns are how long it takes Adobe and Blizzard to update CS6 and Diablo 3. I want to buy one NOW but...

Small White Car
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
I agree, total FAIL! Why only slimmer?

Ah, the old "list one feature and pretend it's the only new feature" trick.

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
OK, cool.

...so the rest of the Macs haven't had their display updated, then? Is the 13" still stuck with the Fisher Price display of 1998?

Clown Boy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
No iPhone(its June), no Apple TV store, no new iMac, Mac Pro, mini iPad. Fail, fail, fail. And what about a mid-range Apple laptop or update to Ping?

Asclepio
Jun 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
boooooooooo
where is mac pro, imacs?
ios with android features! wow good work apple!
Shame

nikonsean
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
17" is dead!


Digital Skunk is looking for previous gen 17" Macbook Pro. I will pay $2199 for it.

I have a 17" 2011 beast with 16GB RAM, 240 SSD (Agility 3) and the 750 HD installed. I may sell to go to the new 15. Let me know if you're interested.

Sean

skywalkerr69
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
it's really good, its sooo expensive though

jumanji
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
beautiful but expensive. i'm not sure i can do this on my budget.

sclawis300
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
What did that banner say?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

macmastersam
Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
Y u no release mac pro??

telebox
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
Mac pro is dead ? ? ?

Keebler
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
looks fantastic! turn by turn nav looks sweet. Let's hope it's more than just the US. might take them more time, but Canada still hasn't experienced some of the things Siri can offer (ie. finding restaurants).

Loved the updates today. New Macbook Pro looks amazing.

for those of you starting to worry about the Mac Pro - the conference isn't one day so relax :)

rei101
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
This keynote was so depressing... ok, new mac book pros and one other feature but no Mac Pros.

And then... there was a reference about Final Cut Pro X, I mean, there is a Final Cut X but no a Final Cut Pro X... I was very exited believing Apple re took the original software.

Any way... not exited at all.

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
Looks AMAZING!

I have a 2010 17" and I think, that I will be getting the lower 15"... 500 for more storage and slightly faster processor isn't worth it. Shame about the 17" retina though

ECUpirate44
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
oops?
342615

Discoverer
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
No Blu-ray?

PeterQVenkman
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
HDMI, nice. I remember a couple of loud mouths on these boards saying how useless that was.

They look like nice machines. The pro users are anxiously hoping for a silent mac pro update on the apple store, though. ;)

ArcaneDevice
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
This is basically a Macbook Air+.

The difference between the two in configuration boils down to the screen and video card. You don't get additional built-in storage options and the ports have nearly all been removed. The difference is minimal.

slu
Jun 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
American-centric cr*p. Boring and nothing exciting. Man I wish be could bring Steve back to life.

So all the China announcements didn't happen? And the expansion of Siri features to many other countries? Get a clue.

juliusaugustus
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
wouldn't it have just been simpler to offer the display as an upgrade option for the other macs? Why do they need yet another notebook line up.

Clown Boy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
Granted the MacBook Pro is awesome but 2000. Man that's a week in Vegas money. Worst WWDC ever.

iBug2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
Best WWDC yet

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
oops?
342615

Indeed, it is 2,299 in the UK!

daneoni
Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
Not my cup of tea just yet. Everything is soldered in which means paying Apple's premium for any BTO 2000+.

Also majority of apps won't be compatible for a while...and its a Rev A product. Will wait for design to be tweaked of any quirks and more compatible apps to be available and maybe even a price drop.

mp0890
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
9to5Mac has some 'splainin to do!

Icaras
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
No Blu-ray?

Thank goodness!

Cougarcat
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Now I just need to find $2200 on the ground.

I am surprised Blizzard is making a Retina update of Diablo 3...can that graphics card really power the game at such a high resolution?

Qbiinz
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
dammit just got back from the apple retail store... shipping today doesnt mean in stock:(

olowott
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Keynote was Awesome , had me like :eek:

New MacBook Pro is very very cool
Specs is wicked

but seriously available today is what nailed it!!

yet again, Apple has led the way, yet again :cool:

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Have they mentioned anything else about how the resolution will work?

Will the 2880x1880 provide the same "physical" work space of the current 15" MBP without the hi-res screen, or is there an option to tailor it to how you want it, like rumours suggested?

I don't want a 2880x1880 display if it's just a crisper version of the current low-end displays... I'd rather just buy the 1680x1050 hi-res version and have more physical space to work with. :)

EDIT: they better keep the 1680x1050 option on the 15 inch otherwise, I'm gone. I won't spend 2400 for a laptop, ever.

alehen
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
I hope there is no yellow screen problem on the new retina display =P

Hey, Is GeForce GT650 strong enough to hold 2880x1800 while playing games? Or does that mean I have to play them in low resolution?

children
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
I'm cool with the built in ssd, but even ram is not upgradable??

Not that I care, I'm getting it first thing this morning:cool:

miniroll32
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Has everyone already forgot they included HDMI on the new MacBook Pro?

You know, that thing that was moaned about in the past?

Hustler1337
Jun 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I was hoping for some more distinct design changes to the MacBook Pro.

In no way am I implying that the previous generation design was poor, in fact, I love it; neither am I saying that retina and the thinness of the new generation is not much of a design change, it's a great achievement. (Hope that made any sense lol).

To me, at first glance it looks like the now previous gen MBPs until you see the screen and how slim it is.

seyo
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
I repeat: MEH.

Where the hell is the new Mac Pro? I'm getting tired of waiting, and each day that goes by brings me closer to a shiny new BOXX Systems machine. I don't give a rat's ass about iOS6 and all the ******** bloatware "features" in Mountain Lion.

PBF
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
Sucks that I bought a maxed-out top-of-the-line MacBook Pro just 15 days ago.

:mad:

gLaDiAtOr73
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
No iMac :(

co-signed

MacReloaded
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
Have they mentioned anything else about how the resolution will work?

Will the 2880x1880 provide the same "physical" work space of the current 15" MBP without the h-res screen, or is there an option to tailor it to how you want it, like rumours suggested?

I don't want a 2880x1880 display if it's just a crisper version of the current low-end displays... I'd rather just buy the 1680x1050 hi-res version and have more physical space to work with. :)

From the tech specs:


Retina display: 15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch with support for millions of colours

Supported resolutions: 2880 by 1800 pixels (Retina); scaled resolutions: 1920 by 1200, 1680 by 1050, 1280 by 800, and 1024 by 640 pixels

Not sure what the quality would be like at those resolutions though.

Clown Boy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
So all the China announcements didn't happen? And the expansion of Siri features to many other countries? Get a clue.

Take it you are a Yank? Try using Siri with a Scottish accent, as for Baseball cards? Man, nobody outside USA cares.

tech4all
Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
A fraction slimmer ... So what ... PATHETIC and hardly noticable

Cry me a freaking river.

This sucks!! :eek: Was eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 announcement. What a let down!!! :mad:

:rolleyes:



American-centric cr*p. Boring and nothing exciting. Man I wish be could bring Steve back to life.

This event was a total FAIL. Nothing groundbreaking. Siri sucks as well.

Granted the MacBook Pro is awesome but 2000. Man that's a week in Vegas money. Worst WWDC ever.


Trying to increase your post count I see.

KylePowers
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Not my cup of tea just yet. Everything is soldered in which means paying Apple's premium for any BTO 2000+.

Also majority of apps won't be compatible for a while...and its a Rev A product. Will wait for design to be tweaked of any quirks and more compatible apps to be available and maybe even a price drop.
Looks like from the picture the SSD is replaceable (mSATA connection). RAM definitely isn't though!

New Retina MBP looks great, just wanted a 13in version :(

Chilla
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
This is basically a Macbook Air+.

The difference between the two in configuration boils down to the screen and video card. You don't get additional built-in storage options and the ports have nearly all been removed. The difference is minimal.

This was the killer for me. I'd happily shell out the money if the storage wasn't so limited and the components were user upgradable. I'm pretty sure I have 256gb of programs and code, let alone any personal media I'd prefer to keep on a laptop rather than external storage.

belltree
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
So MacBook Pro "Air".

law0915
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
I guess they ditched the 17in. MBP :-\

Jaro65
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
17" is dead!


Digital Skunk is looking for previous gen 17" Macbook Pro. I will pay $2199 for it.

Give it some time. It took a while for MBP 17 to get refreshed last time around as well.

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Why would anyone buy the "old" updated 15"? Its the same price as the retina, you just get more storage (HDD) and faster processor.

pacalis
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
So their $500 ipad has a better resolution than their entire computing lineup until you spend $2200?

And I want to do is have two readable pages beside each other in word or excel.

What a total let down.

ghostlyorb
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
what about the microphone input? I need both audio in and out. Great, now I'll have to buy an adaptor. Good news is, that's the only thing I have to complain about. I want this! Oh well, I'll get a new one next year.

Discoverer
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I was hoping for some more distinct design changes to the MacBook Pro.

In no way am I implying that the previous generation design was poor, in fact, I love it; neither am I saying that retina and the thinness of the new generation is not much of a design change, it's a great achievement. (Hope that made any sense lol).

To me, at first glance it looks like the now previous gen MBPs until you see the screen and how slim it is.

Macbook Pros do not have to always match your purse or earrings. They look fine the way they are.

george-brooks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
This is nice, but I want my Mac Pro!

iBug2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Now I just need to find $2200 on the ground.

I am surprised Blizzard is making a Retina update of Diablo 3...can that graphics card really power the game at such a high resolution?

Diablo 3 is really easy on the GPU. It runs on everything maxed on my 4 year old GPU at 2500*1600.

slu
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
I like it, but it is just too expensive. With BTO upgrades, it will be ridiculously expensive. And without an update to iMacs or Mac Pros, I may be looking elsewhere to update my Macbook.

iBug2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Give it some time. It took a while for MBP 17 to get refreshed last time around as well.

Yes but it was still on the website. Now it's not. So "dead" is a safe assumption.

tech4all
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sucks that I bought a maxed-out top-of-the-line MacBook Pro just 15 days ago.

:mad:

Have you not visited MacRumors lately? Considering how many rumors there were about the MacBook Pro update, why would buy anything?

Wilson1313
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Mac pro is dead ? ? ?

They updated the Mac Pro...

Xtremehkr
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Blue Ray: What Blu Ray? It's already obsolete.

Optical Disk Drive: Gone, it's a good thing that Apple was willing to take this step so that people can enjoy a slimmer form factor, better battery life, and more efficient internal design and thermal solutions. Who knows how long the ODD would have stuck around if there wasn't a company willing to make that move first.

Retina display: apparently not impossible after all.

iMac: A little disappointed that the iMac wasn't updated but there is probably a reason for that, best not to spoil future opportunities to steal the spotlight and announce great new products.

The lack of accurate predictions from technology 'analysts' really makes you wonder what they're being paid so much to do, since they seem to reliably miss seeing any changes to tech being made before they've been made.

GeneralSpecial
Jun 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
what the heck? The iMac hasn't been updated in over a year, better processors are available, etc. Has Apple forgotten that developers depend on a desktop development environment?

jontech
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
They updated the Mac Pro...

Just saw that, no specs yet, still showing page offline :)


Decisions, decisions

WestonHarvey1
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
Why would anyone buy the "old" updated 15"? Its the same price as the retina, you just get more storage (HDD) and faster processor.

Maybe they want more storage and a faster processor. And the optical drive.

nrwray
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
So okay the new MacBooks look great. But where's the new iMacs? Or better yet, WHERE'S THE NEW MAC PROS????????? I work in the visual effects field and have been waiting for a new MacPro for 2 years now. Come on Apple get off your butts and do something about this......

fel10
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
if the cheapest one is $2199, wonder how much the top of the line will be.

Portaluk
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
1799 or 2299 :eek:

pacalis
Jun 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
So their $500 ipad has a better resolution than their entire computing lineup until you spend $2200?

And I want to do is have two readable pages beside each other in word or excel.

What a total let down.

Ah, who am I kidding. I'm buying it.

seyo
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
"Will the 2880x1880 provide the same "physical" work space of the current 15" MBP without the hi-res screen, or is there an option to tailor it to how you want it, like rumours suggested?"

Doubtfull. All the OS UI elements will be designed at 2X size for retina display. Otherwise if they stayed at current resolution everything would be super tiny. I continue to be underwhelmed.

danbett
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
It says New !, doesn't lead to specs yet

Konrad
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
What a joke this show. At the end to use it commercially, it will be >$3000.-in the US, which is useless to begin with. An ultimate gadget for poseurs. At starbucks. However it may be to early to deduct a new 13 at this point, and this may repair things a bit.....then the pathetic "pass...something"...hey geeks invent something for the already isolated american society to interact person to person a bit more rather than now automating a fart. Where is the Mac pro? Tim, tack your shirt like you do when visiting Chinese assembly workers at Foxconn.

iBug2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
what the heck? The iMac hasn't been updated in over a year, better processors are available, etc. Has Apple forgotten that developers depend on a desktop development environment?

The conference just started. iMacs and Mac Pro's probably will get updated during the week together with Mini's.

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Maybe they want more storage and a faster processor. And the optical drive.

Valid points :D

slu
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Why would anyone buy the "old" updated 15"? Its the same price as the retina, you just get more storage (HDD) and faster processor.

Uh, to get more storage space and a faster processor?

Benenstein
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
I would LOVE to have it. But for $2,200, I want better specs.

krithikb007
Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Oh god i was waiting all time for retina display Macbook pro but 2199 :mad: !!!! that is tooooooo much .
Going to settle with 1199 model with good external display and connect through HDMI

ralphthemagi
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Have they mentioned anything else about how the resolution will work?

Will the 2880x1880 provide the same "physical" work space of the current 15" MBP without the h-res screen, or is there an option to tailor it to how you want it, like rumours suggested?

I don't want a 2880x1880 display if it's just a crisper version of the current low-end displays... I'd rather just buy the 1680x1050 hi-res version and have more physical space to work with. :)

EDIT: they better keep the 1680x1050 option on the 15 inch otherwise, I'm gone. I won't spend 2400 for a laptop, ever.

It's going to work the same way it technically works on the iPad. UI elements are pixel doubled. Photo and video assets are rendered doubled unless they are told to render at 50%, although on the desktop this will probably be a bit "smarter". You get the real estate where you need it, but not at the cost of usability.

That's what actually happens on an iPad. A 200x200 image shows up in 400x400 pixel space unless you tell it to render at 50%.

On the desktop you have the luxury of just "zooming out". If you are in a browser for example, you can just zoom out. If you do that right now, you'll notice that it becomes unreadable pretty fast. But on a higher DPI display you can zoom out further and still have everything be legible.

pol0001
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
They have updated the MacPros! :eek:

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Not my cup of tea just yet. Everything is soldered in which means paying Apple's premium for any BTO 2000+.

Also majority of apps won't be compatible for a while...and its a Rev A product. Will wait for design to be tweaked of any quirks and more compatible apps to be available and maybe even a price drop.

So it's like a Macbook Air when it comes to user upgradability? I'm definitely out on that alone, then.

Hopefully they keep the 1680x1050 option for the "normal" 15"... I'm looking on their site at the moment, and the tech specs suggest it's staying, so that's good news... maybe the price will be bumped down a tad for the 1680x1050 resolution upgrade now they have better available?

Hahaha - as if... who am I kidding!

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
1799 or 2299 :eek:

I know right! I almost though the 2299 was for a 17incher! The lower 15" seems 'ok' prices, though the storage isn't that great.

Bensalama21
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
American-centric cr*p.
What is that supposed to mean?

SeaFox
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Regarding the Retina display, Apple will ship a special build of Lion with HiDPI support built-in...

That's funny. Haven't people been crowing about how OSX supports high-dpi displays for years now and is already scalable. :rolleyes:

Atlantico
Jun 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
The MBP is irrelevantly thinner, but now does "sports":

- *no* ethernet port
- *no* optical drive
- similar battery life
- *no* 17" model
- *no* new look
- *no* microphone input
- *no* way to upgrade RAM

- and finally, way way more expensive (*starting* at $2200 to $2800)

... and that's just from the top of my head.

The MBP is a MacBookAirPro (which is evident by the fact that Apple still sells the "old" MPB basically under the same label)

Fine, but actually the older MBP with the flash storage options (to 512GB) and a retina display would have been considerably better.

Now one can choose to see this as progress, but then one needs to step out. This is regress.

I'll pass. :cool:

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
This could be a VERY good opportunity for 17" unibody owners to sell... Apple no longer sell 17" Macbook pros.

So this means potentially, my resell value is greater for a mid 2010 17"?

yegon
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
I can just smell the incoming posts of issues with people whom desire to game at such resolutions in bootcamp.

Lol, yeah. My monitor is 2560x1600, my GTX580 can still run almost everything max, full res, 60fps, but I can imagine the combo of mobile GPU and thin form factor will really struggle at full resolution. Awesome laptop though, anyone buying it mainly for cutting edge games is a numpty anyway :)

doelcm82
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
This sucks!! :eek: Was eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 announcement. What a let down!!! :mad:

Hardly anyone was really expecting an iPhone 5 announcement. I hope you'll treat this as a "teachable moment."

iBug2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
That's funny. Haven't people been crowing about how OSX supports high-dpi displays for years now and is already scalable. :rolleyes:

The special build will probably include high res artwork for all apps, which isn't necessary on other builds to take up extra space.

Bocheememon
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
It says New !, doesn't lead to specs yet

I saw this as well when browsing the store.

Unless that is an error, it sounds like there will be an updated Mac Pro. I wonder if it will retain the same look or be given a facelift?

Chase R
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
I sure hope they have a 13" model in the pipeline :)

I can wait. My Uni MB with 8GB is still chugging along nicely.

samuelelbaz
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
I really think the price is a little high on the macbook pro hd, the only thing that really draws me to it other then the mac pro is an HDMI output I wish they added that to the macbook pro line up.

Liquinn
Jun 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
The MBP is irrelevantly thinner, but now does not have:

- ethernet port
- optical drive
- improved battery life
- 17" model
- a new look

... and that's just from the top of my head.

The MBP is a MacBookAirPro.

Fine, but actually the older MBP with the flash storage options (to 512GB) and a retina display would have been considerably better.

Now one can choose to see this as progress, but then one needs to step out. This is regress.

I'll pass. :cool:
Can you still buy a normal 15" macbook pro in store?

ArcaneDevice
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
This was the killer for me. I'd happily shell out the money if the storage wasn't so limited and the components were user upgradable. I'm pretty sure I have 256gb of programs and code, let alone any personal media I'd prefer to keep on a laptop rather than external storage.

At least they updated the specs of the current MBP. For the same price as the base Retina model you get more ports, more storage and faster CPU and GPU.

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
It's going to work the same way it technically works on the iPad. UI elements are pixel doubled. Photo and video assets are rendered doubled unless they are told to render at 50%, although on the desktop this will probably be a bit "smarter". You get the real estate where you need it, but not at the cost of usability.

That's what actually happens on an iPad. A 200x200 image shows up in 400x400 pixel space unless you tell it to render at 50%.

On the desktop you have the luxury of just "zooming out". If you are in a browser for example, you can just zoom out. If you do that right now, you'll notice that it becomes unreadable pretty fast. But on a higher DPI display you can zoom out further and still have everything be legible.

That's all I needed to know. I know how Apple's current retina displays work, I was asking based on the "rumors" that were leaked earlier on in the year, that suggested you could change the resolution to provide more (non-retina) screen space, or choose a crisper, pixel doubled resolution (with less physical space). I have my answer.

ECUpirate44
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
Not my cup of tea just yet. Everything is soldered in which means paying Apple's premium for any BTO 2000+.

Also majority of apps won't be compatible for a while...and its a Rev A product. Will wait for design to be tweaked of any quirks and more compatible apps to be available and maybe even a price drop.

Agree here. Never buy rev A.

lightmyway
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
This is nice, but I want my Mac Pro!

The retina MB Pro IS your Mac Pro. Is it missing something you wanted, other than a tower shape?

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
My ONLY complaint is that the Nvidia 650 is only 1GB of RAM

It should have been 2GB. 2GB cards are pretty standard now.

paulvee
Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
under Mac Pro Application Performance tab, it says this:

"Testing conducted by Apple in May 2012 using preproduction Mac Pro 12-core 3.06GHz units and shipping Mac Pro 8-core 2.93GHz units, all configured with 12GB of RAM. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac Pro"

is that new?

Kaibelf
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
American-centric cr*p. Boring and nothing exciting. Man I wish be could bring Steve back to life.

How many dumb comments are you going to post? If you hate "American-centric" products, then go back to whatever rathole you hail from and use their offerings.

iZac
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Not my cup of tea just yet. Everything is soldered in which means paying Apple's premium for any BTO 2000+.


I noticed this too. Amazing looking machine, but this glorious device just became the least upgradable mac ever.

daneoni
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
if the cheapest one is $2199, wonder how much the top of the line will be.

$2799

doelcm82
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
The MBP is irrelevantly thinner, but now does not have:

- ethernet port
- optical drive
- improved battery life
- 17" model
- a new look


Yes! It's exactly what I wanted. I'm so glad I'm me and not you.

Portaluk
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Shame there isn't a 13 inch model, been looking to update my 2009 MBP would have ordered a 13 inch today if I had the option.

MauerFan
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
I'm leaning towards a 15 inch macbook. I don't know if I should get the retina display one or the original one. Decisions decisions

Telf84
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
would love to see this screen in the store, im sure its quite something. sad to see no 17" version, although i could imagine the price to be quite something also.

still overall a great keynote. im sure there will be the usual "fail fail fail" nonesense. so they didnt get you everything that was on your "want list", so what. they really have some good things here, and I for one am looking forward to using them

Small White Car
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
The MBP is a MacBookAirPro.

Fine, but actually the older MBP with the flash storage options (to 512GB) and a retina display would have been considerably better.

Now one can choose to see this as progress, but then one needs to step out. This is regress.


Gee, it's too bad they're not still selling the old Macbook Pros alongside this new machine.

What a great idea that would have been. You nailed it.

MythicFrost
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
On another note: the Mac Pro (workstation) had "new" written on it when I checked in the store a minute ago! Store's down again though.

Stella
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nice machine, though its going to be expensive. Shame they didn't include the retina display with the regular macbook pro - though i'm sure its coming in the next few iterations.

I noticed the HDMI port.. again, so much for Thunderbolt and Apple's claim of "One cable to rule them all".... a bit disappointing TBH.

Simplicated
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
http://images.apple.com/macbook-pro/design/images/performance.jpg

This image shows that the RAM is not user-upgradeable.

Rogifan
Jun 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Stock is down over $6 since keynote ended. Wall Street obviously not impressed. But all Wall Street cares about the iPhone so short of announcing a new iPhone today thy were going to be disappointed. :rolleyes:

Michael Scrip
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Are they in stores right now?

I might take a trip to my local Apple Store to see it in person...

urbanlung
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Sucks that I bought a maxed-out top-of-the-line MacBook Pro just 15 days ago.

:mad:

Hmm I didn't see this coming either... Not.

On a more helpful tip,

You could return it

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
I just checked and the prices for the "non-retina" 15" are staying the exact same: http://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-pro/specs/13-and-15-inch/ (UK link).

RoboCop001
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Looking forward to the future of the MacBook Pro! In a few years when I'm ready to upgrade my 2011 model, I'm expecting the entire line to be this way. And it's awesome!

psingh01
Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the video card. I was expecting something as thin as the Air but also with the integrated graphics. This is much nicer. Not sure if I'll get this one as my 2010 is still getting it done, but definitely plan to get one in 2013 at the latest.

macbook123
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
At least as important as the resolution is the fact that it is IPS. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/

kremer4
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Store is back up. Full loaded is $3749

WestonHarvey1
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
under Mac Pro Application Performance tab, it says this:

"Testing conducted by Apple in May 2012 using preproduction Mac Pro 12-core 3.06GHz units and shipping Mac Pro 8-core 2.93GHz units, all configured with 12GB of RAM. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac Pro"

is that new?

I'm confused - are they saying the NEW 12 core is only a bit faster than the 2 year old 8 core?!

skeltor57
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
apple has a lable next to the mac pro that says new!!

Anki
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Sucks that I bought a maxed-out top-of-the-line MacBook Pro just 15 days ago.

:mad:

Count your blessings though. The old ones just got a buck-bump. I can't even afford the old ones now. :(

blastair
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Got through to the Mac Pro specs?

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7042499/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-11%20at%201.24.32%20PM.png

urbanlung
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Nice machine, though its going to be expensive. Shame they didn't include the retina display with the regular macbook pro - though i'm sure its coming in the next few iterations.

I noticed the HDMI port.. again, so much for Thunderbolt and Apple's claim of "One cable to rule them all".... a bit disappointing TBH.

I expect this port is for the benefit of video editors who need a monitor output.

mossme89
Jun 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Hey guys! If I were you, I'd wait a year or so (painful, I know) to get the retina/ssd MacBook Pro. Right now components are expensive, but the price should drop significantly in the next year. Knowing Apple, by this time next year, the price for a 15" Retina MBP will be $1799 tops and make its way into the mainstream models.

macintoshi
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
I'm really excited about this new 15" MBP. Looks awesome. It's the new benchmark for portable computing!

At least that's how I see it.
Can anyone explain me, whats the difference between the macbook pro retina and normal, it supports only 256 gb flashmemmory? not more? what about ssd 512gb?

jontech
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
MAc Pro updates suck :(


No thunderbolt, just updated CPU's

ralphthemagi
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
That's all I needed to know. I know how Apple's current retina displays work, I was asking based on the "rumors" that were leaked earlier on in the year, that suggested you could change the resolution to provide more (non-retina) screen space, or choose a crisper, pixel doubled resolution (with less physical space). I have my answer.

Just to be clear: You CAN do this. You can absolutely do it within an Application. Will there be an easy way to do it on the global level? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know how much it matters. You can only shrink UI elements down so far before they become unusable. For example, 1680x1050 on a 15" borders on unusable. If you've ever seen a 1920x1080 display being rendered in actual pixel space on a 15" it's pretty hard to work with. Not impossible, but not exactly ideal.

Because all apps feature full-screen mode, it's a bit of a non-issue. If you need to reclaim the UI space you can just switch to a full screen app. We are really talking about how many pixels the Menu Bar takes up. Everything else is app dependent.

jonnysods
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
I love the new MBP, but I was kind of hoping that I could have squeezed a 1.8" drive in there for larger amounts of data, and then the SSD for the OS and apps. I don't think I can afford 768gb of flash memory!!

urbanlung
Jun 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
apple has a lable next to the mac pro that says new!!

Yeah, not second hand.

uberfu
Jun 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
Mac Rumors still has the best and most stable coverage :-)

Cougarcat
Jun 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
MAc Pro updates suck :(


No thunderbolt, just updated CPU's

And no graphics card update.

Last update for sure.

ri0ku
Jun 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
OMG macbook air STILL no blu ray drive .... looks like a windows laptop for me!

scottwaugh
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
They have updated the MacPros! :eek:

USB 2.0 still, no redesign on the case, graphics cards do not look updated...its not a pretty picture...other than new configurations of the available choices I'm not sure alot has been updated...

Why o why Apple did you have to do this...this makes it very hard to consider this machine for the money.

I thought the keynote at WWDC was great (was watching for the Mac Pro), the updates they announced were very impressive.

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Did they say anything about when this will be released at local stores?

Digital Skunk
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
I have a 17" 2011 beast with 16GB RAM, 240 SSD (Agility 3) and the 750 HD installed. I may sell to go to the new 15. Let me know if you're interested.

Sean

Sorry . . . it was more meant as a joke. I already got my slap on the wrist for posting it.

Give it some time. It took a while for MBP 17 to get refreshed last time around as well.

True, I want to hold my breath for that since it took about 5 months or something like that.

jlblodgett
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Dual mics?

Siri coming to the new Macbook Pro?

Navdakilla
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
No mac pro, or 17" mbp update!
looks like we all know the direction Apple is taking

MythicFrost
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Ehh the Mac Pro only got minor updates... and some price drops for upgrades. No 7970 :(

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Just to be clear: You CAN do this. You can absolutely do it within an Application. Will there be an easy way to do it on the global level? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know how much it matters. You can only shrink UI elements down so far before they become unusable. For example, 1680x1050 on a 15" borders on unusable. If you've ever seen a 1920x1080 display being rendered in actual pixel space on a 15" it's pretty hard to work with. Not impossible, but not exactly ideal.

Because all apps feature full-screen mode, it's a bit of a non-issue. If you need to reclaim the UI space you can just switch to a full screen app. We are really talking about how many pixels the Menu Bar takes up. Everything else is app dependent.
I'm not talking about in applications, such as web browsers, I'm talking specifically about the "rumors" that were posted on here previously.

Once again, I have my answer.

The rest of your post continues to be irrelevant to what I was asking.

daveak
Jun 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
The big question for me is, will the retina MBP still work with a pre thunderbolt cinema display? Magsafe vs Magsafe 2 and mini display port still available via the thunderbolt port being the big questions. A new MBP and new cinema display would be a bit of a hit on the old wallet.

Edit: Now I can get into the store I see there is a magsafe 1 > 2 adapter for 9, and the mini display port vga, dvi etc. adapters suggest it still puts it out over mini display port

Gaelic2
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
This event was a total FAIL. Nothing groundbreaking. Siri sucks as well.
BA Humbug! What side of the bed did you leave??:confused:

crosspath
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
First of all congrats on the LIVE coverage to the team! Very nice work.

New MBP looks sharp. Sir Johny Ive still thinks ahead of his time and I think he could do more but the tech and the corporate bunch is still holding him back.

On the other hand sad to see Apple neglect the MacPro line and the professional software dev altogether. I guess that is all behind us now and time to move on. Shame.

Nevertheless it's nice to see some new and exciting stuff from Apple.

Cheers

brbrown1988
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
Can anyone give me some input on when the hell the iMac will be updated? I've been holding off for a while. Huge let down.

urbanlung
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
How many dumb comments are you going to post? If you hate "American-centric" products, then go back to whatever rathole you hail from and use their offerings.

Yeah go and by a computer from somewhere else, like China maybe.

kalsta
Jun 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I was hoping for some more distinct design changes to the MacBook Pro.

In no way am I implying that the previous generation design was poor, in fact, I love it; neither am I saying that retina and the thinness of the new generation is not much of a design change, it's a great achievement. (Hope that made any sense lol).

To me, at first glance it looks like the now previous gen MBPs until you see the screen and how slim it is.

Sounds like you're wanting change for change's sake then. Personally, I think the current design is close to perfect, so a thinner version gets no complaints from me.

The only thing I dislike about the current version (and all Apple's current displays) is the highly reflective screen, due to the untreated glass they put in front of the display. But this time they mentioned a significant reduction in glare, so that is something to be happy about too! The website says:

This Retina display doesnt sit behind a layer of glass, it is the glass. Which means you get all the benefits of a state-of-the-art display vibrant colors, high contrast, and wide viewing angles with very little glare. So theres more to see, and even less to distract you from your work.

Finally Apple! :)

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
They just stealth upgraded the Mac Pros.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro

MUrhino
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
No iPhone(its June), no Apple TV store, no new iMac, Mac Pro, mini iPad. Fail, fail, fail. And what about a mid-range Apple laptop or update to Ping?

They can't do everything in one update, and oh by the way, they never have! Who gives a crap about Ping anyway? :rolleyes:

meechy
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
1799? Ouch!

blastair
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Can anyone give me some input on when the hell the iMac will be updated? I've been holding off for a while. Huge let down.

Ditto.

jamesryanbell
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
A fraction slimmer ... So what ... PATHETIC and hardly noticable

It's a completely superior machine. COMPLETELY. It's the new "one to have". Own up to it now. That's the way it is.

importraverxx
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
WOW nice! the cheapest Retina is only 1999 with educational discount, thats 200 off! and you also get $100 gift card. This sealed the deal for me. For the normal MBP, you only get 100 off from educational discount so its 1699.

AppleMad98004
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Oh god i was waiting all time for retina display Macbook pro but 2199 :mad: !!!! that is tooooooo much .
Going to settle with 1199 model with good external display and connect through HDMI

Only problem is the New MacBook 15.4 is a separate product. They are still selling the 13/15inch models they currently have with just an IVY update. Not the new ports.....

Mak47
Jun 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mac pro is dead ? ? ?

The store is back up, the Mac Pro got a silent update.

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:31 PM
The big question for me is, will the retina MBP still work with a pre thunderbolt cinema display? Magsafe vs Magsafe 2 and mini display port still available via the thunderbolt port being the big questions. A new MBP and new cinema display would be a bit of a hit on the old wallet.

With the resolution quality on the retina, it would be a pointless to plug to a bigger display.

TheByrus
Jun 11, 2012, 02:31 PM
Don't forget, if you're buying one for education purposes, education promo allegedly starts tomorrow, not today.

Edit: guess it does start now.

nickm55
Jun 11, 2012, 02:31 PM
think ill consider a new pro (non-retina) or new air with student discount, both are more than enough for me. Shame the retina mac is so expensive in the UK, although it looks like a nice piece of kit. Time to get rid of my beloved blackbook...

praetorian909
Jun 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
Best WWDC ever.

Hmm, I think you meant to say: Best...episiode...ever...

:)

Portaluk
Jun 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
The stores back up.

MarkBubba
Jun 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
if the cheapest one is $2199, wonder how much the top of the line will be.

Roughly $3,449 maxed out with 2.7GHz CPU, 16Gb RAM, and 768Gb SSD.

wikus
Jun 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
There better be a way to replace that SSD drive at will, otherwise that lonesome fixed drive will make that laptop a FAILURE.

I have no intentions of being stuck with only one drive and a set capacity.

It better be a standard 2.5" drive.

Hustler1337
Jun 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
I need a bit of help guys (and girls). I'm contemplating on getting the base model Retina MBP as that's the best I could try to afford.

However, as it comes with only a 256GB SSD, does this mean I am stuck with only 256GB? Would it not be possible to add a secondary standard hard drive? I don't wish to use an external drive as a means of adding additional storage space.

Why do SSD's have to be so expensive!! :D

Thanks

Dangerous Theory
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
It's times like these when you think "Money most certainly can buy you happiness..."

I would love a spare 1,799 right now.

AppleMad98004
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
Everyone who is moaning about the NEW 15.4 inch MacBook.....

You can still buy the 13 or 15 inch model currently sold. The only thing they changed was the IVY chipset and graphics. Otherwise they are the same.

The New Macbook Pro is a different model.

bluesoverdrive
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
Next Gen MacBook Pro just U$5000.00 in Brazil. ... I'm serious!

PeterQVenkman
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
The mac pro ain't dead. But it's certainly terminally ill.

ecib
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
So their $500 ipad has a better resolution than their entire computing lineup until you spend $2200?

And I want to do is have two readable pages beside each other in word or excel.

What a total let down.

Not just their entire computing lineup, but that of every other OEM's laptop in existence.

Not to blow your mind or anything, but the battery, space, processor, and other requirements needed to power a retina display make it either unfeasible for some designs (MBA) or jack the price up. Just like economies of scale are finally increasing the adoption of SSD technology that has been around for ages, you're going to have to wait for this technology to come down to your price point. But I guess it's more fun to throw a tantrum.

cambox
Jun 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
On the Apple store it says 'NEW' Mac pro but there is no thunderbolt?? New?? What a load of **** We have been waiting how long for this?? A company that has over 100bn In the bank and they cant update one of their product after 2 years?? Come on Apple get with the programme!

ethana
Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
OREDERED!!! The 2.7GHz model with 512SSD and 8GB RAM! Woohoo! 5-7 days it will be here!

BK.
Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
Ooh, you can add an Apple remote again when ordering a MBP.

When I was going through the process about a month ago, they'd removed the option to purchase one with it. Although maybe they just didn't have any in stock or something, IDK. I assumed it was because they had removed Front Row, however. I wonder why it's back (the remote).

AppleMad98004
Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
I need a bit of help guys (and girls). I'm contemplating on getting the base model Retina MBP as that's the best I could try to afford.

However, as it comes with only a 256GB SSD, does this mean I am stuck with only 256GB? Would it not be possible to add a secondary standard hard drive? I don't wish to use an external drive as a means of adding additional storage space.

Why do SSD's have to be so expensive!! :D

Thanks

Ummm is it NOT SSD. It is a FLASH drive. Its a similar but very different technology.

kironin
Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
Pricing begins at $2,199 for the base model with the Retina display, a 2.3GHz quad-core Ivy Bridge i7, 8GB of RAM, a NVidia GeForce GT 650M 1GB graphics card, and 256GB of flash storage.

looking at the buy options, there is no option to increase the size of the flash storage in the base model !!! :mad:

you have to buy the more expensive machine just to get 512 GB .... fail.

fertilized-egg
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
If you've ever seen a 1920x1080 display being rendered in actual pixel space on a 15" it's pretty hard to work with. Not impossible, but not exactly ideal.


I've used a Sony Vaio P with its 8" 1600 x 768 display (~220DPI) and everything was just much too small. It was great that everything looked sharp but I felt as if my eye balls were falling out trying to squint at tiny texts.

The new MBP looks great. Who'd thunk a MacBook update would be the center of attention at this WWDC?

bchreng
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
This new MBP is freaking awesome!! :D

I would definitely buy one if it wasn't so far out of my budget. Hopefully the new design bits will find their way into the 'lower-end' MBPs during the next refresh.

Anki
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
Prices roam from $3000 to $3800 for the new Macbook over here. This is so not happening for me. :(

MauerFan
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
Sweet, the new pro takes off $200 bucks w/ the educational discount. Plus my dad gets at least a 15% discount on Apple products so I can get this for around $1700 for next year. If he gets 20% off then I can get it for $1600. Not bad.

Jaro65
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
Yes but it was still on the website. Now it's not. So "dead" is a safe assumption.

Dang! I didn't notice that. Really not happy about that!

spazzcat
Jun 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dual mics?

Siri coming to the new Macbook Pro?

There is dictation in the ML.

imMango
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
looking at the buy options, there is no option to increase the size of the flash storage in the base model !!! :mad:

you have to buy the more expensive machine just to get 512 GB .... fail.

Noticed that. Bit sneaky, but I'm already stretched for the base model so no biggy for me!

adamberti
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
New Airport Express - Apple TV Like... or did I miss an update somewhere along the line?

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/

RoboCop001
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Ummm is it NOT SSD. It is a FLASH drive. Its a similar but very different technology.

Right. Isn't an SSD just a box containing Flash memory?

bowler357
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Anyone else notice the Mac Pro also has a 'new' badge on the Apple Store site?

dusk007
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Almost perfect that new 15". Perfect size, right screen ratio, finally some decent IO, good or great everything else.
Price sucks but that was to be expected.

BUT WHY NOT ADD A 2.5" HDD SLOT.
Hybrid solutions are the best thing in the world. I might even be okay with the price but I don't like having to carry around external drives all the time, and pluggin them in. Paying for expensive SSD space is no alternative.
Given the price a 256GB SSD standard and a space where I can fit a 2.5" hdd.

Hybrid is so nice you have a cloned backup inside that picks right up if the system drive fails. You can handle fast working data on the SSD and still be able to handle the GoPro movies from holidays, handle your entertainment movie, tv show library, a big music library or whatever else.

I wouldn't buy that notebook. I hope though it is a good starts and others will produce similar stuff with no such downsides. By the time Haswell hits rentina probably is in the upper mainstream notebooks and many notebooks with good I/O, storage space, speed and all will show for less money.

Ryth
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Anyone else notice the Mac Pro also has a 'new' badge on the Apple Store site?

You are 3 pages behind.

=P

bushido
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
is dictation a next gen mbp feature only or is that simply part of mountain lion? please dont tell me its a "only" feature

Zeov
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
high end Retina Pro here i come!!

slipknotgangsta
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Hey guys, you guys mentioned never to buy Rev A products, but when can we assume the Rev B version to be released?

sfwalter
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Has anyone called to see if they new retina display MBPS are in the retail stores?

REM314
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
I dont need the new retina display. Its a gimmick that doesn't help the way I work at all. I hardly notice the pixilation on my 2008 mbp. I do however want a SSD. I might get the retina MBP because its CHEAPER than just upgrading the regular MBP! Crazy Apple ugh.

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Does anyone know if they mentioned when it will be released in stores?!?

NY Guitarist
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
The mac pro ain't dead. But it's certainly terminally ill.

And on life-support...

MarkBubba
Jun 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
No Blu-ray?

Never has been and (quite possibly) never will be on a Mac. Go buy an external drive if you want one, I did.

ri0ku
Jun 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
There better be a way to replace that SSD drive at will, otherwise that lonesome fixed drive will make that laptop a FAILURE.

I have no intentions of being stuck with only one drive and a set capacity.

It better be a standard 2.5" drive.

It obviously isn't a 2.5 drive.. the images show its the same blade design they would just keep using the blade SSD's to save costs and that they already have them available with airs.

So its the same thing as the air, you can upgrade them but they are expensive.

jinjo235
Jun 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
If you are a student, this is an ABSOLUTE STEAL! You get $200 OFF and a $100 iTunes gift card. Awwww snap! That brings this bad boy to $1999!

benpatient
Jun 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
The store is back up, the Mac Pro got a silent update.

Isn't that the same graphics option they had before? What's new?

Still no thunderbolt ports to be seen on it...same core config options...still $1000 for a 512GB SSD....

I see the "new" tag on top of it, but what, exactly, is new about it? I am not asking to be snarky, I really don't know. I bought an 08 mac pro, and an '11 mbp, and I haven't kept up with the mac pro lineup lately, except to notice that it was basically unchanged over the last 2 years or so, and due for either a refresh or a killing.

are the prices different? because I don't remember paying so much for the mid-line 08 mac pro. That was 2499 for dual 4-core 2.8ghz, and i loaded up the RAM/hard drive bays at OWC for another 600 bucks....I don't see anything about this new machine that justifies it costing more than I paid 4 years ago when you consider how much has changed in computers over the last 4 years...

Xscapes
Jun 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
Can't add third-party RAM and SSD.lol

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:38 PM
Let's face it, no one really needs the retina display. It's just the latest technology and we're all tech geeks and it's the new "must have" item. We want it purely to spoil ourselves......at least I find that's usually the case with me.

fernando.kreutz
Jun 11, 2012, 02:38 PM
In Brazil, we're sorry to see it came at $5000 (yes, $5000) the base model :mad:

krithikb007
Jun 11, 2012, 02:38 PM
Only problem is the New MacBook 15.4 is a separate product. They are still selling the 13/15inch models they currently have with just an IVY update. Not the new ports.....

Any idea on the video quality . I need to use Mini DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter

nuppieri
Jun 11, 2012, 02:39 PM
i guess the apple pro user -the way i understand it- is dead... the message today was -for me-, that apple is going fully to the consumer markt... mountain lion and gestures make sense on a laptop, many ipad-like features... siri telling me about football scores, gamecenter for the mac or tweeting or liking every **** on my screen... they are going to the slick lifestyle powercomputer... a very nice design to pleasably play with my computer, designers or writers are going to have a joy with this new laptops... but i guess we are definetly living the last days of the hardcore macpro towers.

Mr_Ed
Jun 11, 2012, 02:39 PM
Am I the only one thinks emulating 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 resolution on a 2880x1800 native display won't look as clean as 1440x900? I get the appeal of the extra pixels if for some reason you don't want to run at 2880x1800, but wouldn't 1440x900 be a logical choice as well?

tigress666
Jun 11, 2012, 02:41 PM
looking at the buy options, there is no option to increase the size of the flash storage in the base model !!! :mad:

you have to buy the more expensive machine just to get 512 GB .... fail.

Yep, I just noticed that too. Makes me glad I'm not in the market for a new laptop cause 256 GB is too little (I'm already thinking I need to replace my hard drive that is only that size on this laptop) and I wouldn't want to pay 600 dollars extra just to get more storage.

Also... do they use a standard hard drive sized space for that or is it soldered into the motherboard? Basically, how hard/easy is it to replace the storage space if you just wanted to do it yourself (or it failed)?

parish
Jun 11, 2012, 02:41 PM
Well, the new retina MBP is awesome, and I want one - but the lack of BTO options is a big issue for me.

The 2.3GHz base model is 1800 + 160 for the 16GB RAM u/g (which I can live with) but the lack of a 512GB SSD u/g is a major problem.

I've been using a FW800 drive with my current MBP due to lack of disk space (160GB) and I don't want to be doing the same in 12-18 months.

The only way to get 512GB is to get the 2.6GHz model which is 2300 + 160 for the 16GB u/g which is a bit too much.

What makes this all the more annoying is that there is a 768GB SSD u/g for the 2.6GHz model.

Going to think about this for a while and maybe go for the MBP "Classic" with the hi-res screen option which I can u/g the RAM and SSD myself.

EDIT: Hmmm, MBP "Classic" 2.6GHz, 1800 + 80 for the hi-res screen, then I can get 16GB Corsair Vengeance for 95 and a 512GB Crucial m4 for 340 giving a total of 2315 against 2460 (2300 + 160) for the 2.6GHz/16GB retina, so maybe the latter isn't so bad after all? Only downside then is that in 3 years when 1TB SSDs are cheap I won't be able to u/g the retina MBP if I need to

steve-p
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
Give it some time. It took a while for MBP 17 to get refreshed last time around as well.

It's gone from the Apple Store so it looks like it's terminal. Which is a shame as I was waiting for a refresh to update mine. Now I think i will just hang on to it for the moment. A smaller retina screen doesn't really cut it for me. It has more pixels sure, but at 2880x1800 it's presumably going to be a crisper version of the same material which would display at 1440x900, which is nowhere near 1920x1200.

Virgule82
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
I love it but it's just too expensive... This is the future but I will have to wait until the price falls.

WatsonHo
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
The screen is hardly the draw for me...

The thin body, lack of optical-dinasaur drive, better battery, and power are what I want!!

Oh, and that new heat management system!!

What's so great about eliminating the optical drive? If you don't like it, don't use it.

There are a lot of us (mostly professionals) who still have use for it. It remains an inexpensive way to backup documents and present large files (or collection of files) to clients or vendors especially those clients who don't upgrade their computers every 10 minutes and aren't interested in spending 5 hours downloading 8GB of files.

Apple is the only company that can take away a feature without offering anything substantial in return and have its fans cheer in response.

Atlantico
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
Can you still buy a normal 15" macbook pro in store?

Yes, it is still there, but no retina display on it. :(

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
In Brazil, we're sorry to see it came at $5000 (yes, $5000) the base model :mad:

The Apple tax!!! I feel bad for non-US buyers, they pay ridiculous prices.

NStocks
Jun 11, 2012, 02:43 PM
Well, the new retina MBP is awesome, and I want one - but the lack of BTO options is a big issue for me.

The 2.3GHz base model is 1800 + 160 for the 16GB RAM u/g (which I can live with) but the lack of a 512GB SSD u/g is a major problem.

I've been using a FW800 drive with my current MBP due to lack of disk space (160GB) and I don't want to be doing the same in 12-18 months.

The only way to get 512GB is to get the 2.6GHz model which is 2300 + 160 for the 16GB u/g which is a bit too much.

What makes this all the more annoying is that there is a 768GB SSD u/g for the 2.6GHz model.

Going to think about this for a while and maybe go for the MBP "Classic" with the hi-res screen option which I can u/g the RAM and SSD myself.

The storage is very annoying really... just use an external :D

MacFather
Jun 11, 2012, 02:43 PM
beautiful design, inspired by Steve Jobs

AkuskaUK
Jun 11, 2012, 02:44 PM
boo, no 17"

bmstrong
Jun 11, 2012, 02:44 PM
If you are a student, this is an ABSOLUTE STEAL! You get $200 OFF and a $100 iTunes gift card. Awwww snap! That brings this bad boy to $1999!

Confirmed?

fernando.kreutz
Jun 11, 2012, 02:45 PM
The Apple tax!!! I feel bad for non-US buyers, they pay ridiculous prices.

There's no way other than that to explain it. It is really sad that this happens. For travelers that pay import taxes (+50%) it's going to be cheaper than buying here.

Yamcha
Jun 11, 2012, 02:45 PM
Looks Amazing, even though I can no way afford it, but I'm sure just like anything we'll eventually see it on low end Macs..

Anthony0224
Jun 11, 2012, 02:46 PM
WTF no thunderbolt ports on the new mac pros???? :confused::confused::confused:

beowulf70
Jun 11, 2012, 02:46 PM
2,458.99 incl. VAT going to Apple ASAP.
MacBook Pro, Retina display, 2.6GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz, 16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM, 512GB Flash Storage.
Thank you very much. I'm happy. ;)

mohsy90
Jun 11, 2012, 02:46 PM
So I'm at the Apple Checkout page, and with student discount it comes to $1999 and says that you get a $100 gift card and it won't charge you for it....but it's showing up in the cart bringing the total to $2099. Anyone else having this problem?????

stukick
Jun 11, 2012, 02:46 PM
Price seems high...no?

They put the retina display in the iPad, and the price stayed the same.

I'll pass.

motulist
Jun 11, 2012, 02:47 PM
The only thing I dislike about the current version (and all Apple's current displays) is the highly reflective screen, due to the untreated glass they put in front of the display. But this time they mentioned a significant reduction in glare, so that is something to be happy about too! The website says:

This Retina display doesn’t sit behind a layer of glass, it is the glass. Which means you get all the benefits of a state-of-the-art display — vibrant colors, high contrast, and wide viewing angles — with very little glare. So there’s more to see, and even less to distract you from your work.

Finally Apple! :)

But at the same time they removed the option for an anti-glare aka matte screen. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the new screen is still gonna be WAY too glossy for people who've always chosen the matte screen option. So now that Apple has removed the anti glare screen option, a whole lotta people are gonna be s.o.l. and Apple will lose a not insignificant number of sales over it.

sfwalter
Jun 11, 2012, 02:47 PM
Does anyone know if you can upgrade from 8gb to 16gb at a later date? Or are you stuck with what you originally get like the Air?